Bros & Shows - Justice For Joe Bradley (Southern Hospitality Full Recap S4E13)

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

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but I thought we'd start off a little differently. Justice for Joe Bradley. Are we going justice for Joe? Because I've got a lot of theories about what's going on with Joe and Leva and all of that. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight.

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Welcome to Hell Week, because there's so much going on this week. I don't even know where we're going to start. Well, actually, I do know where we're going to start. We're going to start with Southern Hospitality, and that should be a nice, easy one to get through. but yeah, I mean, Love Island, Summerhouse reunion, Soho reunion, there's just so much going on this week. And yeah, let me just say right now, our first reunion episode for Soho, it's going to feel a little different. There's going to be a third party here, if you know what to be. Yeah.

Do you guys know what he means? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you mean. We're going to be joined by a member of a show. I don't know. Should we just tell them? Are we going to do this until like? No,

I just draw it out and drop some kids here and there. It's somebody. I think it's Joe Bradley immediately. I think that's not. It's not. Or is it? Also, before we started recording, Steele asked me what is smaller than running on fumes?

And he came up with smells. So, uh, fumes are like strong. Yeah, yeah, fumes are definitely strong. I agree with that. But just fair warning.

Uh, it's going to be a bit of a, a weird episode. I think both of us mentally are all over the place. Yeah. Buckle up, everybody. It's going to get interesting.

It's going to be fun. Yeah. Justice for Joe. I've got a whole theory as well with Leva. And there's obviously multiple ways to look at this situation. And I can understand a lot of different sides to this whole thing. But when we get further into it, I do have a big theory. It's actually LVP centric.

So I think that maybe when we discuss that, I'm assuming that you probably know where I'm coming from, and I'm assuming I probably know where you're going to be coming from. Yeah. But there's a lot of ways to look at that whole thing. Now, as a whole, I thought the season wrapped up well. I thought this was a good, like, entertaining finale. There wasn't a whole lot.

Like, it was wrapping up some things. But as far as, like, content throughout, like, it was pretty cut and dry. I think it was incredibly funny. It was a very Michael's centric episode, which we knew it was going to be at the end of the last episode with him getting the email. And obviously we saw, you know, the, the ongoing conversations between Molly and the rest of the crew about what's going on. The ongoings are everywhere.

But yeah, the conversations with Molly talking about Michaels and his role in her firing, is that going to come to a head? You would imagine it will just for the timing of everything and the fact that we are ending with the, what are we calling this? Like the employee appreciation party. I think that's what it was. I didn't even know there was a CEO of Republic restaurants or whatever. the hell the overall company is.

I just assume it's a Republican and Lamar. Yeah. But here we find out that there is a CEO. So yes, all of those things are coming to ahead. And you're realizing that even throwing in like TJ dating the guy who Joe set him up with, that's even Michael centric. So it was a very, very Michael centric episode. He had a lot of lumps.

He got a lot of lumps in this episode. And I think what makes this show great is how this episode played out. It's not the typical we see, rip the microphone off. run away and then we have to debrief like the day after he was able to come back right away and that's why i love the people on this show because they have such a good friendship and they are actually talking about things that matter in each other's lives and then you know off so have as you got to have any in the corner of they're being racist but once you get rid of that everybody else is great agreed and that's why she's such a sore spot on this show because it's so obvious that she does not

fit in with the rest of the cast even the ones that don't like each other on the cast still are more entertaining than whatever Emmy is trying to do. She's miserable. And I will say that forever. She's also taking, she's definitely taking away from people like Joe and Maddie. Like if we get to the reunion and it's Joe and Maddie defending Emmy the whole time. I love Joe and Maddie, but that would be the dumbest shit that they could ever pull because it's going to make everybody turn on them.

And I would hate that because I do think that Joe and Maddie are so huge and so key to the success of this show. But if they defend Emmy, there's no defending that. I like where they've been, which is just kind of like innocent bystanders, like, I'm not really getting involved. We want to support Emmy, but like we can't stand up for the things that she's saying. But if you go all in like 10 toes down and defend her at the reunion, it's going to be such a bad look where we can't really defend that. Joe and Maddie have become the heart of this show. They're not always involved with everything, but they're kind of the temperature check for everybody.

Like we check in with Joe and Maddie to get a read on the overall scenarios going on. they've worked themselves into a different role than when they started. Now they're borderline the stable ones, you know, and I know Joe's still trying to figure out his shit, but as far as the show's structure goes, they are the stability of Southern hospitality. And I agree, if we rattle that by defending a racist, I'm going to vomit.

I'm going to puke, not metaphorically. I'm going to throw up during the reunion. So I really hope that we don't see a turn that way. I don't know, man. It's going to be hard. I think what ends up happening with both of them is they both have big hearts. And I think that it comes down to they don't like pile-ups. So I think when they see her get piled on, they're like, ah, this is too much.

I don't even, I don't think it matters who it is or what they did. I think if they see a pile on, one of them is going to go timeout. Come on over. Let's go have a chat away from the group. Emmy needs her come up and this reunion. That's all that needs to be said. If she's dumb enough to come to the reunion after that showing, which she is, then she deserves all the smoke. She did a lot of fucked up stuff this season.

And it needs to be answered for. At the very least, she needs to sit there and listen to exactly what happened without interrupting and trying to shift it some different weird direction because she's claiming to not know what a microaggression is. It's 2026. You are a millennial. You know what a fucking microaggression is. Don't be, don't be an asshole. But let's jump into this episode. episode and we start out with, you know, little check-ins.

Joe and Maddie walked around looking at houses, which foreshadowing, I don't know, maybe, maybe they're going to move in there soon. I don't know, or buy a house together. Leva and Daniel are planning this Mardi Gras theme party for the staff appreciation event. And then we get to Lake's art show. Now, Michaels and Leva talk right out of the gate. And it's exactly what we assumed, because he is pursuing other avenues. news, AGM didn't make sense anymore.

If you're going to be bopping back and forth to LA, New York, wherever to go on modeling shoots, we can't have that because we need an assistant general manager. I think the only thing that you need to listen to here for anyone that's like throwing the demotion word around, I mean, metaphorically or technically, whatever, it could be a demotion, but Leva says he's the best AGM we ever had. So this is a situation of circumstance because he's on to bigger and better things. This has nothing to do with his performance at work. No, she's just clearing the path to make his life a lot easier if he wants to get into modeling and knowing that he still has a home at Republic.

He's still going to be doing. I forget what his actual title is. VIP relations. Yeah, VIP relations of sales and something else. I'm going to down. I can't find it. Yeah, it's something along those lines. It's actually completely, like, regardless of what the title is, it's still a demotion.

I mean, it's funny because now the rest of the group who, works there is like, oh, yeah, so you guess you're not our boss anymore. You're not our manager. You're just a VIP guy. Okay, we can swing with that. And they all know what it is. We all knew what it was as soon as we saw the email. It's still shitty that Leva just sent him an email instead of pulling him aside.

I think regardless of the situation, like you said, it's a situation of circumstance. But still, I feel like there should be a conversation, like a verbal face-to-face conversation. Like, hey, just so you don't freak out when you see this later. we're going to give you a new title so that you are free to go do those other things because we want you to do those things, which is great. But it's funny to watch that conversation between him and Leva talking about this new role and then also know that later down the line in this episode, Leva and Joe are going to have a much different conversation about his role at work.

And that's where the LVP theory starts. The email was sent because Leva is stepping into the role as the Lisa Vanderpump of Southern Hospitality trying to create drives. wherever she can, however she can. She's starting to get a little devil may cry with it. She's being a little reckless intentionally. I don't know how that's going to go yet. It could be fine.

It could get annoying. It's teetering. By the end of the episode, it's very much teetering because there is still a level of professionalism. You still run a business. And to send an email to a guy that's been running your spot for years successfully, and just to hit him with that, I know what she's doing.

And like, yeah, I experienced this in baseball, like professional baseball a lot. It's like this weird, like playing coy, so you never know where you stand and you're constantly questioning things. And it's fucking stupid. This is why I hate corporate. This is literally why I did everything in my power to not have a real job is because of stuff like this. So I got audjita watching it. But we'll talk more about it later. Now, the big question mark, as we discussed last week, is,

will Lake's dad show up? Lake's dad did not show up. I'm still under the camp of, I do believe this has to do with her coming out of the closet. I do still think it's shitty he didn't show up. But my takeaway from all of it, Lake is okay, or at least she's saying she's okay, and her and her dad are moving forward in her mind.

So this is a situation once I do I agree with dad? I really don't. Am I going to sit here and harp on dad? No. because Lake's cool. And I think that's what matters. Yeah, all that really matters is the Lake's cool because I even see it from like a different perspective where I don't really think it's that big of a deal.

Like I think that because of the information that we have and the way that Lake talks about it in like different circumstances, whether she's inter confessional or where she was last week when she's on the phone with it and then like what her thoughts are afterwards, I think it paints a picture of him not showing up as a big deal. And I think it kind of falls through the cracks where it's like, I don't think it's that big of a deal as long as he's still supporting her. That's what you want to see. And if he couldn't make it because he's got things going on at the end of the day, let's defer to Lake. If Lake's not really seeing it is that big of a deal and she feels like it's

okay and they can move forward, then that's exactly where we should be. I think it's just one of those things where it's like, I don't know if we have enough information. I don't know if we've talked to him enough. I don't know if we can really get the lay and a lands that easily. It's really just off of what she feels day to day. And sometimes she's really feeling supported by him. Sometimes she has questions. That's just going to kind of go with the territory and she's going to figure it out as she goes along. And obviously she's going to share a lot of that information with us. But it really just comes down to,

are you good? Oh, you're good? Okay, cool. We should be good to. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. Because we could sit here and speculate all day with the information we do have. It would be a shitty thing to speculate about, too, which we love speculating about weird shit.

But this is like interpersonal, parent dynamics. Nah, I'm going to say. When we have situations that are sensitive and the cast member involved, is telling us they're good, we tend to tap out because we don't want to overstep on shit like that. It's not worth it. So Lake says she's fine. I have a feeling we're going to address this next season and get more of a picture

because I imagine her storyline is going to be dad-centric in some kind of way. I'm very curious about how Lake comes back because we had a rocky, rocky season this season, like a very rocky season. She's not my favorite. Yeah, yeah, she has completely lost the title of, you know what she's just young she'll figure it out i'm done with that moving forward next season you will not hear me say that yeah well sophomore slumps over so let's see how you arrive in your junior season but everyone's sitting down at the table and this is going to build into something because

and i this is how this group works they're going to poke they're going to prod they're going to make jokes they're all really tight so this is actually a very normal friend group in being like hey hey what's up this is loaded piece of shit yeah this is the exact scene that i was was thinking like, wow, it is so nice to have a show where all of these people are like friends and know what's going on in each other's lives and what they can handle and can't handle. And then they push it to the limit for the show. Like that's exactly what you want. That's the recipe for success. And at the same time, we're doing all of this. And then we flash outside to any showing up. And I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah. If she was gone, this would be great. Every time she shows up,

it's like fucking Nosferatu walks to the door. Like God, damn it, you again. You're I know, but seriously, because I like them all inside ribbing each other. Like, it's funny. And you know that Michael's going to get pissed at some point. It's going to pop off because someone's going to go one step too far. But for now, there it is jabbin. And here it is. He is in charge of VIP client engagement and sales is his new title.

So they create a role for him. But anyway, let's get to Republic with Joe and Leva. Now, here's where I'm going to start to, dive in more to this theory because Joe finally has a business plan. We've seen him working on it, right? So he sits down to try to get Leva to buy into this idea that he has. His big idea, it's a little convoluted. It's not like he needs to probably make it a little bit more specific, but his idea is to have what on air currently is. So it's like a music venue that also does weddings. It's kind of a multi-purpose space, but for the most part, it's live music and

in a bar. That's what he says. Again, it's kind of jam-packed a lot of other shit, but that's the general idea with a rooftop deck, which is very important. Now, here's my thing. Okay. I don't appreciate how Lever goes into these meetings because it is so push-pull with her and it drives me crazy. And honestly, it's not fair to Joe. That's where Justice for Joe comes in. There's another side to this that we're going to discuss that's valid. But at the same time, we see this weird dynamic where Leva will go up to him in a separate setting at the bar, at Republic, hey,

you could be that guy. You can do this. Like, I have faith in you. Like, I love that you're showing up again, pumps him up. Then we have these serious one-on-ones.

And she looks at him like he's a fucking moron. And the way that she responds to all of his ideas is so belittling and condescending. And it's like, dude, you also have known Joe for a long time. And you're trying to get something out of, of him or make him do something that he's not capable of doing. Not that he's not capable of running a bar, but you want him to come to you like

prim and proper, all the buttons dialed in so that you know exactly what's going on. You know that you're going to have to lead him to water a little bit, but that doesn't mean he can't be successful. But instead, you take this opportunity to shit on him and be like, nah, just go in the back room at bourbon and bubbles and tries. Like, it's, it's really genuinely condescending and kind of bullshit to a guy that's been there for five years. Granted, there's some other things going on and they're valid, but I really don't appreciate the way that she she fucks with our boy with. I think it's really

disrespectful. I mean, I think it's pure and utter bullshit. I really do. I think that a lot of the stuff that Levin does is for the show. And this is one of them where Joe could be in that role if he stays with Republic through the longevity of this show. He could be in the same role the entire time. And Levin knows, okay, I can push this button and we'll have a conversation with Joe. about what his future is going to look like. I don't think she really cares. When we get to later, like him taking nine months off and he's salaried

and like, why do you think that like this is the normal circumstance? You allowed it. Like you told him that it was okay at some point. This is all bullshit. The idea that maybe you didn't, like he left for nine months and you let him come back. I'm sure at some point you were like,

yeah, it's fine, honestly. All I really care about is the show. Like at this point, you've been on the show for a couple of years. You're a fan favorite. You come into work. You bring a crowd with you because people want to see the people on the show and you're one of the main people.

It's all going to work out in the end. These scenes are just completely unnecessary and they're fake. And that's what it is. And the worst part about them being fake is that it's only one side that's fake. It's just Leva being fake. Joe is actually really upset about this. Now, I will say when Leva goes through and she's like, talk about the competitors, talk about pricing, talk about this, look at a venue, whatever you want to do. He did miss a lot of like the core details of a business.

this plan, which is very funny. Tell him that and he'll go do it. No, I know. Yeah, but she does it in like a very condescending way. And then also, and I'm not like obviously shitting on Sir Wieners. This is a very different thing than Sir Wieners. It truly is. It's an actual space.

So Wieners has a pop up currently. Yeah. And like it's great in its own way. It's a completely different business though. You can't tell Joe to like start small. Maybe try to book some bands or something for bourbon and bubbles or try to book a DJ for Republic like no that you already do that like that doesn't make any sense to me that's also not what he wants he wants a full venue with live music that's set up for a place for live music not oh

let's throw a DJ in the middle of republic that's not what he's saying at all and by the way you already know that this is going on because you're planning behind his back to do this which maybe it is behind his back maybe it isn't I'm assuming it actually is because I don't think that Joe can go along with the bullshit train and act like he doesn't know what's going on I I think the level already fully knows what's going on and she's going to open on air and she's going to announce it later in the episode and joe is not part of that and i think that's just complete bullshit because he's been talking about this for a long time and i think that at the end of the day like she says things like you know if you want to go work with other investors you want to go do this or that or

whatever like go ahead and i'll support you i don't really think i don't really believe you honestly i think you want him right there working for you at republic and also doing the show and again you can set these scenarios up for the show moving forward which is unfair to Joe because he never gets to move on with his life. You want him in this role. Maybe he gets to AGM. Maybe he gets to GM, whatever it might be. But at the same time, that's not what he wants to do.

He wants to go spread his wings somewhere. Let him go. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I think it's just, Leva's just making up bullshit for the show. And that's really all it is. Yeah, and it's fucking with Joe's actual life because he doesn't know what's going on. Like, this is all news to him.

And he's pouring his heart and soul into this. And that's my whole point. Like Leva as a mentor that you claim. to be even later when you say I could be your big fucking sister. Okay, great. A big sister would say, hey, this is what we need. Okay. Go home, boop, boop, boop.

I need the particulars. I need the numbers. I need the competitors. I need what you need. I need space size, whatever. But you're not leading this guy to water. Joe is a guy that needs you to lay it out. Like, this is what we need.

And he'll fucking get it done. He's done that time and time again. But she keeps falling back on this like pretty much saying by leaving for nine months. You have lost all experience. You have lost all my good graces. That's fucking stupid. Okay, that's just dumb. You're asking him to start pretty much as a bus boy again to get back to where he was at the door, more or less.

That's not real life. And that's show-centric once again. And that's not something that we desperately need on this show. We don't need fabricated nonsense, especially when it is at the cost of somebody's actual hopes and dreams who has come to you and you've been supportive, you've been encouraging, three episodes ago, and then you have an actual meeting and you just shit on the guy

and smirk at the camera, like, we're on your side. I thought it was fucked, like genuinely fucked. But yeah, anyway, let's get to pick a ball

with Joe and Maddie, and he's still kind of shell-shocked from this meeting. And, you know, he's like, it's disheartening to hear. He's like,

I take a leap of faith and I get fucking knocked down every single time. It's the same conversation over and over against the same condescension from Leva. and Maddie is even upset. Like she's crying over this because she knows how much Joe cares.

And I think that that's another facet of it. Like did he leave? Sure. Is that wrong? Yeah. Did you let him? You did. You brought him back too.

So clearly it wasn't that big of a deal. He's still selling tables. He's still booking that building. But you want to hold this over his head like you said to keep him exactly. He's your little pawn right now. And when you say, go find other investors. That's you saying no one's going to invest in you, Joe. Go fuck yourself.

which I hope he proves you wrong. I really do. But I just think it's so shitty that we have to watch this guy who's, he's desperately trying to figure his life out. Yeah, there's some hiccups and speed bumps along the way, but he's trying. And you're not, throw him a bone, dude. Fucking help the guy out.

Literally, just do something. I always laugh at scenes like this too because Joe and Maddie basically live together. I don't even know if they officially live together. They've already had a check-in. Like they've heard like how was the conversation with Leva? It didn't really go super well. This happened. But we'll get more into it later because we have to do a pickleball scene.

Like I always laugh at it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, wait, you had your meeting with Leva this morning. I'm like, Maddie, please. You guys don't talk about. Maddie, please. Let's not do this. But at the same time, I still think it's really funny too because he's just complaining about his back and the whole time.

I thought it was going to be like a one-off conversation here and there. 30, my back hurts, blah, blah, blah. he's been talking about his back hurting he's not working out he hasn't worked out in three weeks I thought it was like incredibly funny that he didn't take a shirt off when he was at Zach Stax I don't know I felt bad

I felt bad for him because he actually said my body my choice I'm feeling a little bloated right now I've been able to work out in a couple of weeks I'm gonna take my fucking shirt off good for you Joe for taking a stance I love that he could have easily been like alright bye I'll

I'll succumb to peer pressure and I'll just do it like I don't feel great about myself. It is so fun to hear a guy on Bravo actually say, I feel like I'm a little bloated right now. I'm not really feeling myself. I don't feel like I look that great. I'm not taking my shirt off. And you have to just abide by it. You just have to accept him for who he is. I love that. But yeah, talking about this whole thing, again, it's really just reiterating what went through. And you get to see more of Joe's side of it, which obviously he's very, very heartbroken from the whole thing. because he does feel like he's just getting pushed back down.

Like every time he pops up and tries to do something, he's just reminded, like, you left for nine months. Again, we've talked about that a bunch of times. It doesn't fucking matter. Joe has moved on from being your employee to being a reality TV star. I know you don't want to say that on the show, but that's what he is. And what happens when you're a reality TV star working in the service industry,

you are the face of a new franchise. Right now he's the face of Republic, regardless of what his work ethic is. He could be the face of another. new thing if you want him to and just throw him a goddamn bone let him invest like 10% then he'll feel like he's doing something yeah and if it doesn't work out then buy him out and move on like it's not that big of a deal especially to you know leva and lamar who owned the entire fucking king street like who cares just give him something he's been with you guys for so long so to see him that heartbroken to see

see maddie that heartbroken was really really tough to watch yeah dude it's really fucking annoying I don't care for it one bit. It's a power trip. That's all it is. I don't even know if it's a power trip. It's like an executive producer of a TV show power trip. It's not even like a normal boss and like owning a club power trip where it's like, okay, I kind of get that, but that's still kind of fucked up.

This is a reality TV show power trip. I hate that. And the difference between who she's emulating and Leva is LVP does it with grace. Like there's buildup to these scenes and we see the knockdown scene. And then we see her be like, yeah, you had sex with everybody in the bar and you stole $10,000 from the cash register. I'm very disappointed in you. I should fire you, but instead I'm going to promote you and you're going to be my new DJ. That's what you're supposed to do.

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But let's get to the pregame at Mollies. And I got to give, what's his name? Joe's friend who is, yes, objectively sexy. I want to say Mike. Mike sounds right. But I got to give this dude props. He just came out of the closet. And he's on TV with T.J.

He's comfortable. I think that takes so much balls, dude, to like just, just announce that you're gay and then be like, I'm going to go on national TV and say it again. I'm actually going to date a guy on TV after just having come out. All the props to, I guess we're calling him Mike, because that takes some serious. I can't remember his game. I'm having such a hard time.

And I'm having such a hard time. Let me just give like a little peek into what I'm doing right now. I'm trying to figure out who he is by Googling it. And it's also just simply not working because I literally typed in. Joe Bradley friend date TJ in Google and nothing came up. Oh my God. We're having a hard time. The boys are showing.

Yeah, we're trying. But I will say, Mike's a handsome dude. Very handsome guy. Big hands. We love big hands around here. Hell yeah, brother. Because you know what that means big gloves. Yeah, nice.

But I love the Michael's aspect of it. Michaels is getting smoked this episode because you know, he's getting on their skin. Like genuinely, because this is going to hurt a little bit. It's going to sting seeing T.J. with another guy, especially seeing T.J.

with another guy. And they're like very cute. They're doing a lot of cute shit. They really like each other. You know, he stayed overnight. There were some BJ action and it wasn't awkward in the morning.

They're building a relationship. So Michaels might have to start questioning whether or not, you know, he's not ready for something because it actually is going to come up in their reunion, which is interesting because we never look it from that angle. I just thought like he was having fun. TJ didn't really care. T.J. brings up at the reunion from the scenes that we've seen.

Says you made out with three other guys that night. I was like, oh, you do care. Like, okay. Yeah. There's more to this story that's building up a little bit. A question was raised in my household at least. When Michael's meets, we're calling him Mike, when Michael's meets Mike and TJ. And he feels like, oh, yeah, I don't know, it just makes me feel a little bit weird. I, you know what, do whatever you guys are going to do. I think that he also thought that Mike was hot. I think he's like, damn, that guy is attractive. Oh, he's with TJ.

Fuck. Oh, so I can't hook up with TJ and I can't hook up with this guy. This sucks. Double whammy. Double amy via TJ. But obviously the Molly and Michael's quote unquote lie is taking center stage later on in this episode, sort of setting up the pieces for that. Molly's livid.

And she she's trying to get the group, the pregame group, like on her team. and it's like Joe Bradley who doesn't like to talk shit on people. He's like, I love it that you do with the place, though. This place is great. Like subject change, not talking about Michaels because I don't want to deal with him later. Yeah.

But G. Lily also arrives, which is kind of shocking for Joe, which again, we're setting up for it's a lot of set up for later. So just bear with us. But anyway, Michael's and Joe,

we get to Marty Grawe. And the first question in confessional, what do you think of TJ's date? big exhale whatever good for them anyway so he's bothered but yeah joe gives him a heads up about molly like hey just FY i she thinks he got her fired and uh she's got a pissed so i i appreciate once again credit to this show credit to this cast i'm going to go get her let's go have a conversation now so he pulls molly for a chat and here's the thing before it even starts. Emmy's not even near them. And she sees what's about to happen. And she goes,

ah, shit. All I said to Molly was Michaels didn't defend you. No, you fucking didn't. You fucking liar. Once again, Emmy strikes again. And this thing should have played out a lot differently and could have played out differently. But Michael's blew a gasket. But Emmys brought into the conversation. And she is vehemently denied. that she said Michaels was in on it, which is such bullshit. Now, Molly has a decision to make. Do I double down on Michaels or do I go after Emmy for lying?

She's got to double down on Michaels, which fucking irritated me so hard. She pressed Emmy a little bit, but not nearly enough. Like this whole situation, once it comes out where it's like before Michaels loses his mind and goes off the rails a little bit. But before that,

all this needed to be checked. knocked up to was like, Michaels could have walked away on skate. Hey, I heard about it the day, like, what do you want me to do? That's what I was saying at home.

Like, what the fuck's he going to do? He's the AGM. He's not going to save your job. They said you're getting fired. You're getting fired. Now, he went a different route.

I just blew her up to the water. I was like, why would you do that? Even like when he comes back later, I'm still like, can you just give us the damn story about what happens? Like, they're asking you point.

blank if you had any involved in this and you say no but like yeah like which is it pick a fucking late like figure it i still don't know i'm still very confused to think that like maybe he did have a hand in it maybe he didn't i could go either way but before we even see emmy come over when he's looking over like all right first off i don't need an audience everybody out of here he said that four different times because people kept walking over which i think is very funny because i know in the background the producers are like get go go get over there i need you guys all in there so we can get the reactions. And he's like, fuck you guys.

Get out of here. I don't need an audience five times. But when he calls Emmy over, he goes, hey, can you come over and join this conversation? Joe walks over. Not you. Joe, not you. Fuck off. That is now like the third time this season that somebody has said, can you come over

and discuss this? And it has nothing to do with Joe, really, but Joe is still about to walk over. Like, Joe, please, Joe, please. Joe, stay. No. Stay over there. No. This has nothing to do with you.

I don't, I don't need the, audience, but I also don't need you, Joe. But yeah, I kind of agree with you, but I also feel like with Emmy, she has lost the grace to do something like this because she's racist and because she sucks. If she was a normal person and wasn't racist and didn't do all of those things, I might actually be looking at me like, well, it's kind of funny. It's actually kind of funny that you told Molly this and use different words and then told somebody else and change those words a little bit because now you're at least creating

the fun drama. And at the end of the day, deep down Molly thinks that. that Michaels did have a role in here. But when she's met with that dilemma between Emmy and Michaels, she doubles down on Michaels because she still thinks deep down that Michael's had something to do with this. And she's not going to be able to get the answer that she actually needs. Yes, she can go after Emmy. Of course, I wouldn't fault her going one way or the other.

But going after Michaels, you could tell even from episode one that she knows there's unfinished business there with Michaels. And now that she has other information, albeit from Emmy, she still has a chance to get more out of Michaels and find out exactly what happened. I also don't think Molly really gives a shit that much, though, because we also heard Leva let her go so that she could go focus on doing the event planning, doing the wedding planning stuff. It's sort of a la Michaels. It's a la Joe in a weird way, except she goes about it in the worst way possible, Joe. But with Michael, she does the same thing. She's like, hey, I'm going to demote you a little bit so that you can go do other things.

When she looked at Molly, she's like, you're working like seven days a week. You're here. You show up right on time, but you're exhausted because you're working all day. I feel bad. it seems like a better move for you to just stay with the event planning, I'm going to let you go. It's not even like a full-blown firing. And that's what we kind of get into where it's like, yeah, I got written up one time, but not for that.

And then I'm fired? Like, it makes no sense. Like, again, can somebody just like bring some clarity to the situation? Yeah, why are we not mentioning that you have another full-time job? Correct. Like, again, I feel like it's a bit of a fake storyline. It's still entertaining to watch them go back and forth because at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.

but deep down and Leva could get involved. I don't care. Somebody could get involved. Michael probably knows a little bit about it. Somebody just needs to shout it out. Like, dude, you have a full-time job. You don't need this job.

That's why you got let go. Other people need the chance to do this job. You don't. So we moved on. And it makes sense. We did the same thing with Mia. When Mia wasn't showing up, she got fired. And I do actually.

She drank on the job. That's why she got fired. I forgot about that. Yeah. I also think weirdly, I have a theory that Leva is a little jealous of Mia. because Mia was able to just like get fired in the first season and she thought that was going to be it. But yet Mia is like an integral part of the actual show.

There's nothing she can do because she doesn't really work for her. That theory I really like and I'm going to try to cultivate that as we go through the reunion. But yeah, this whole thing amounted to nothing really. It's really just that Molly knows Michael's had something to do with it. And she just wants him to finally admit it. Yeah, well, exactly. She wants him to say, okay, I knew you were getting fired. I didn't do anything.

But instead he says, Correct. If it were up to me and I was the GM, I was like, oh, you're going to say I would have, I would have kept you. You would have never worked there. You were a shitty employee. Mike drop. Fuck everybody. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. I'm out of here. Didn't see that coming. That's why this show is great. He has a full blown meltdown and leaves. People are chasing after him out on the King Street. But again, Leva confirms that he did know about it. But again, that leads me to, if me, Molly's upset he didn't defend her, I guess. But even, oh, like, yeah, I don't think that there should be. You got fired because you got fired by somebody in a higher position than Michael's. Yeah.

This doesn't really make sense to me, especially when you add in the fact you have a full-time gig event planning that. And apparently you do really well. So it's not tracking. Yes, it made for like a funny scene here, but it just, it doesn't seem legit to me. Yeah, it's definitely not legit. chip but I'm also completely okay with that because watching Molly's mannerisms through the whole thing she knows that it's playing for good TV she has a good eye for that five times I like the smirking

in the background like you can tell she's really just trying to rattle michael she doesn't really care like I really don't think that she gives a shit about all this and I think she also knows like yeah I don't need to work there I'm still on the show and I get to do my nine to five normally and like they don't even have cameras over there to watch me do this so this is great it's the best of both worlds but at the end of the day I don't think Molly really cares that much but she knows it'll make for good TV if she just pushes a couple of Michael's buttons and just lets them go off the rails. It did. It did. So she did her job. But G. Lilly pulls Joe for a talk. And it was a very nice talk. And, you know, it's talking all about how, yes, we support you.

That was fucked up what you did. G. Lilly takes full accountability. It was wrong of me. I've thought about that night like every day since. It was a moment that we did need. You know, the show and for G. Lily Joe and Maddie as a whole. Now, Maddie's still a little bit hesitant, which is fair. You know, she still has a lot to prove on this journey that she's going through, but we're starting to see big steps being made because she's taking accountability, because she's able to say, you know what, that night, I was on ketamine. I really wasn't on ketamine this night, but I was. You're right on that other night. Those little things, that's what you're looking for in recovery. It's like you cannot lie about shit anymore. You need to be

honest about the bad times because that's how you're going to get support. So it's nice to see that first barrier being broken down. Like I said, lots, lots of room to go still. But it's a great start. And I'm just happy to see she seems better, right? She seems more like herself now, which is nice to see because G-Lillie Season 1, delightful, absolute star. So I would love to see her work her way back into this cast a little bit more. I think especially next season with Emmy's absence, we need another wildcard in the group. G. Lily is that wildcard. Granted, I don't think she should be working at Republic yet.

But just to ingratiate her back in the cast in a bigger capacity than we've seen, if she's prepared to do so, like mentally and everything, I think that's a really good bump for this show. The show is great as it currently stands. but an active good G-lily is only going to push it further. Yeah, and I like the way the Joe handled this conversation too because I feel like he did a good job of conveying his feelings while also being the nice supportive Joe that we already know. It was good, yeah.

He was firm, but nice. Correct. It was like the perfect balance of that where he's like, I've got a couple of things I want to get off my chest for me personally, for me and Maddie in our relationship, but also you need to know that I'm your number one supporter. That was the best way to go about it.

And I know a lot of times, and Joe is a good example of this, but a lot of times you have those good intentions and the execution is really shitty. I thought both were really good. I thought that he definitely had very good genuine intentions for the discussion, how he wanted to see things through,

what he wanted to get across to G. Lilly, and also make sure that she knows, I'm saying this out of support. And a lot of people say that on shows like this anymore. I'm doing it out of love. Like I'm doing it out of caring. That's why I'm doing it. And then it just feels like an excuse to say some horrible shit.

I thought he did a good job of like treading that line, making sure she knew where they stand, but also knowing like, look, we love you. I'm not going to speak for Maddie, but I love you. And you know, you and Maddie will eventually get back to a good place,

but you just have to keep doing what you're doing. And I agree with you. I feel like looking at G. Lilly and watching her through this conversation even, it's a tough conversation. We've seen her do some tough conversations this season. Most of them haven't gone super well. I thought this one actually did.

Agreed. Now let's get to this fucked up public humiliation of Joe Bradley. This was so below the belt, dude, and so catty and rude. And I hated it. Leva gives a speech. Joe, the CEO of Republic, comes out. And they're like, hey, and I thought this was going a completely different direction. Because they announce on air, Republic's sixth, amazing location, live music, rooftop deck. she literally goes down the bullet points of what Joe had said earlier in the meeting. And then she has the audacity to say, we like to grow together.

I was like, oh, okay. So she was leading Joe on. She's going to give him a big role here at On Air. No. Nope. Fucking dogs him. Absolutely dogs him. And the way that she said everything, this was a direct shot at Joe.

You, the owner of this company, went on. a balcony and announced to everybody, you shit on Joe, your employee in front of your entire company. That was so fucked up and so small and just greasy and gross. I hated it. I even if, like the situation, let's say it's more Levasin the right. This is still ridiculous because you've already let him know that you're nothing. You're like bottom of the barrel, Joe.

You're lucky that lets you stand in front of the door. Then you have to make a public shaming of them. Why? What the fuck did she get out of it? This is not good TV. And I know she thinks she's just moving the fucking needle. Ooh, this is going to be a great scene because Joe's going to get his hopes up and you're to be able to see in real time.

All of them come crashing down on top of that. I fucking stole all of your ideas. And I know that he talked to Lamar about all these. So they already had to set in motion. But you legit took his ideas, announced it on a balcony in front of everybody so you could watch him fucking crumble and then you could go shit on him again on a one-on-one what do you want who gains anything from this yeah this was just slimy it really was and i a lot of times i really like leather i think the way that she's i think the way that she's gone through this

whole process has been so fucking stupid like incredibly fucking stupid and it just shows like again we know what you're doing you're doing it for the show if you weren't doing it for the show would to play out this way. I feel like it probably would, honestly. Like you do actually now strike me as that type of person who owns a business, listens to other people's ideas, opens that business and says, you know what, thanks for the good ideas. But could have been you in the ideal. Yep, could have been you. Maybe next time. We'll always do something else. There's always more venues,

but you have to keep working. You got to put your head down and really put the work in. He's already put the fucking work in. Like enough of that shit. You're still talking to him like he's 22 years old. He's not. He's 30. He's got bad problems. Leave the guy alone. leave the guy alone. Seriously. And we get to the scene of them talking in the room. And she walks in there, Joe's like,

I started throwing up when I heard that news. Like I've devoted my entire life to Republic. And nobody takes me seriously when I work my ass off. That's the other part of this whole thing. Yeah, he did leave. All right, let's look at it from Leva's perspective.

You had an employee on salary for three nights of work a week. He decided to bounce for nine months to go and follow his girlfriend around while she's DJ. there is no way that you didn't make it seem like that was okay in some capacity. One, two, he has devoted his fucking life to this business. And you also know Leva as the owner and his employer how he moves,

how he navigates things. You want to reel him in. You have in the past. But as you said earlier, he's not your employee anymore. He is the face of a reality TV show. If we go back to VPR, they all used to work at that bar just to show face. They'd go in like one night a week to still say that they were quote unquote employed.

So it's not the same situation. You're treating him like you're not on a TV show, which is stupid because you are. And the fact that you're going to sit there and then shit on him and act like he's done nothing right, that everything he's done has been one massive mistake. And to say, once you lose trust, you don't open a business with somebody. then stop dangling it in front of his face because that's where I really get pissed. If you want to stand on your laurels of you're a salaried employee and you bounced for nine months, fine.

At least it's a defense to sit there and run him through the ringer of, you lost all my trust on air could have been yours, blah, blah, blah, blah. You fell off, Joe. You fell off. You got lost in the sauce because he's a reality TV star. That's what they do. That's what you want. You want them lost in the sauce to make better.

TV. So don't sit there and act like this is 100% of business decision based on his behaviors, because that makes no sense. If anything, this guy's made you more money because he's performed on your show. So you should reward him. Instead, you have kept him at an arm's length his entire career at Republic intentionally. You pushed and pulled, pushed and pulled to get his hopes up, then knock him down to keep him standing at your door, bringing people in. So you can also show that you're the hard ass business owner, that's not going to take any shit. Pick a lane because all we're seeing is you disrespect an employee that in his own way

has devoted his entire life to this franchise. And now he's devoting his entire life to your TV show. And he's performing very well on your TV show. You have to reward him at some point. Like when he says every time I work my ass off, I get nothing in return. that to me says, I've tried in the past. You've made false promises.

I worked my ass off. No reward. So then I strayed a little bit. Then you promised me something else. I locked back in. No reward. This last time I locked in again to try because you were making it seem. He didn't pull this out of his ass that he might get a location.

Someone's been telling him and hinting him. And then you yanked it again. And not only that, you're opening his business without him. that's so slimy no matter how you look at it i don't care if you're going to take the defense of leva and say well he wasn't at work this was a slimy fucked up move that was unnecessary and justice for joe bradley well all i really want him to do now i want his storyline for next season to be i mean maybe him and mattie getting engaged that would rock but also i want his storyline to be going to other investors go to go to direct competitors you know what honestly go scorched earth like

go to direct competitors, try to work on something, find an investor. Like, I would love to see a scene of him actually sitting down with a business plan with like another investor in Charleston. And that person's like, this looks rock solid. I actually really like this idea. I've got to do it on Levis show. Do it on Levis show. Like, I want to actually watch that because if this is what you're doing, Leva,

if you're trying to make these things happen for the TV show and also forgetting that these people are real as well, you need to get a taste of your own medicine. You can't deny us just because it's on your show that Joe can't go and talk to other investors and put it on the show just because it might be a bad look to you. This is what reality TV is. It's got to have some parity. It's got to have some issues. This would be a big issue. This would be a hot button issue that would send him through the stratosphere of being a much better reality TV start.

If he sat down with a different investor and opened a new spot, then he's a direct competitor. Then I really want to watch the scenes of the two of you guys talking to each other because you've known him for a very long. time he's worked for you, but this is also just business. It's not supposed to be something that's going to hurt you. This is how it works. And you've already told us that multiple times and you've told Joe that. So if he now goes out and goes to a direct competitor,

what are you going to do? It's just business, Lev. Exactly what he's going to, or she's going to do. And it's going to be really fucking annoying. She'll be like, this is why I pushed you, Joe. This is what I was doing. I was trying to teach you. Oh, you think so? You think she's going to take credit? She's going to say

a Mr. Miyagi do. Yeah. 100%. 100%. She's not going to accept that he just, if he ever did like the fake. You know what? I really do think that he has a really good relationship with Lamar. And I know Lamar doesn't really want to be on the show. But I would have seen the two of them interact. I really need to see that. I would love to see that conversation. I think that they're close. Like I really do think Lamar looks at Joe and sees a lot in him.

And like I want to see those scenes because all the scenes that we see with him and Leva, it's not real. Leva is just making up shit just for the show. but I feel like Lamar wouldn't do that. It's sort of like when we see when the producers really want us to see a relationship and make it look like it's on the rocks, but in reality they're actually fine. They're just not showing us any of the good moments.

That's kind of what they're doing with Joe, where I'm like, really, Joe, have you been dealing with this the entire time? That sucks. I don't think that Leva's been doing that off camera, but now she's doing it on camera. That sucks to deal with. I'm sure you actually have a really good relationship with Lamar.

We're just not seeing it. Yeah, I don't know, dude. It's shitty. Like, it's shitty to watch. and you know you can tell that she practiced this line where it's like i could be your big sister not your fucking mommy i was like all right dude like what are we doing what i will do is it was creeped out by the one i didn't care i didn't care for it at all but joe hats off to him because in the midst of all of this when she's saying like he took off he's like i don't regret

that's the girl of my dreams and i'm going to own my own rooftop one day i was like fuck yeah it was like a rom-com it was so good i fucking love that moment but We're left with a cliffhanger. Apparently, Maddie had said to Molly, I don't see myself marrying Joe. We have no context. We don't know what the conversation was. We don't know what was going on with those two. It seems to me, if you're going to end the season with something like this, we have not discussed it at all.

and it seems like it was said a while ago, this is reunion date. This is like, oh, it's one more thing in here. A producer probably is messing someone's ear. It's Molly being messy. I don't think that this is legit.

I think that there's a million ways this could have come out. Granted, are we biased with Joe and Maddie? Probably more than any other couple on Bravo. Does that matter? No, because I don't believe that I need context. And I just,

this doesn't track for making. no definitely doesn't track mollie's being messy if me had said it i'd say the exact same thing the two of them just kind of go pair and pair if they're going to be messy they're going to be messy they don't really even have anything to substantiate it it's just going to be of i think it's really going to be a difficult reunion for mattie in particular but also for joe and mattie between defending and getting involved in random shit and then also having to explain yourself for mattie making a comment which was probably just i feel like if he proposed to me right now I wouldn't know what to say.

And that now got spun into, oh, I don't think that Maddie wants to be with him, which, you know, it's just bullshit. But again, this is, uh, this is what you have to deal with on reality TV. Mm-hmm. Let's get to some questions. AML, I'm going to put this one to bed real quick.

AML 4-712. Hot take is Joe just a spoiled brat expecting a business to be handed to him? No. No, he's not. Jokes aside, like I do genuinely think that and that's why I said there are two sides. Do I understand, like, as an employee, you can't just, like, take time off and not show up. Like, I get that. I'm not blind. But at the same time, I keep going back to this idea that, like, it's dangling a carrot in front

of a horse, like, just constantly like, ah, you're close? Not yet. Psych. No. No, not this time either. So I think that they're, yeah, that's where I'm at with it. Oh, right here, Pagie Riley, Do we think Leva's been dangling the carrot of partnering with Joe in front of it? Yes. There you go. And here's the opposite side of that from B-Man, Graham 0727. Do you think that Joe is delirious? The fact that he thought Leva would give him a restaurant question mark?

I like that people are on both sides of this. They're kind of confused. Same, same. Yeah, no, I'm way more on the other side of dangling the carrot. That makes way more sense to me. Same here. I'll save this one for the end. Yeah, all right.

So people are picking up on these things from Maria D. Hugh is this quote unquote sales pitch scene between Joe and Leva Real. Joe's entitlement is wild. Wow. Oh, interesting. I can understand where you would think entitlement comes into play because if you're just looking at it from the surface of him leaving for nine months, then coming back and expecting to get a restaurant, if it's just those facts, yes, that would sound like entitlement. But there's so much more to this. And again, there's a lot that we're not seeing. agreed this is just a funny statement Robert Taylor writer of stuff T.J. looked so happy to escape the season unscathed. He did. He did. He had a nice season. Just got out right in the middle of the pack. It didn't cause a commotion.

Yeah. From a bachelor O'Malley, Scooter, if the woo-woo is made up, what is a woo-woo? I don't know. Maybe I'll figure it all contextually. I think it's like, yeah, I got it. Go ahead. If the woo-woo is made up, what is the difference between game day superstitions? What's the woo-woo? Superstition.

Oh, I don't think the... First off, I personally don't buy into superstitions. All I do is I make sure that I don't put myself in the wrong spot to get blamed if the team loses. So specifically, like, for the Eagles, if I wear a shirt and they win, and then I go back the next week and I wear that shirt again,

it's simply so that none of my friends who are dickheads can point at me and say, hey, you're not wearing the same shirt. It's your fault. Correct. Yes. I would do that. But you can argue that's superstition because you're still doing it.

I'm mostly doing it so I don't get shit on them. Uh-huh. Sure. Sure. From from Kare-Sterk, are we going to get the tea on steel doing 100 cooks with Jordan? I was saving that one for the end. But I will happily talk about it because, yeah.

It's made to what errors. uh yeah we'll wait till it airs i can't really go into it yet it starts on sunday let's just say i didn't like him on slobwa i didn't like him in person so uh yeah i it is interesting i use ai to change his picture oh dude here's i will give you guys tea on that one this is so fucking funny so there's a what's app group chat with like everybody from the cast we all it got these pictures back to post on our story. We were all on stage

when they took these pictures, so the stage lighting is so harsh that everybody's face was washed out. The majority of the cast in some capacity went in and just like tweaked the, to make themselves not look so washed out. Granted, Jordan

had a completely different pose and face than he actually did in real life. Most people just like turned the saturation up a little bit to make there's some to make themselves look tanner he changed his face entirely but yeah i will say he was not the only one that adjusted their photo ever so slightly because the ones we got back were pretty rough but um yeah i'll give you some more i'll give you some more when the show airs because i don't give a fuck yeah we'll have to uh get the tea uh let's see from c a jackson does joe think

the tops are tall. Michael should be fired. Why is Leva helping everybody but J.B? I like that last question. I will say, yeah, there's a lot of questions here. Question number one, does Joe think the tops are tall? Yes, Joe, a thousand percent thinks the tops are tall. He thinks tops and bottom is based on height more than likely. Like the short ones on the bottom and the tall is on top. Absolutely. Like there's no doubt in my mind. Michael should be fired. I disagree with that. And why is Leva helping everybody but J.B. Again, it's just, she just does weird shit and it's for the show, but it's shitty. Yep. Pep with Maria, will Emmy take any accountability for being a racist fuck this season?

No. Unlikely. No, she's going to try to wiggle out of it. She's going to quote unquote hyperventilate, speed talk and play victim and then change whatever conversation they're having, regardless of who it's about, make it about herself. which nobody cares. Nope. We'll do one more here.

Oh, this is a possibility from Janice Ingram 360. Was Michael's jealous of T.J.'s date? Yes. Or did he know him? Hmm. Maybe next season. Maybe.

I like that. I enjoy that one. A little theory. I like a little theory. Throw it out there. We love a little theory to end the app. But I mean, all in all,

another great season for this cast, despite a very big wrench, a very big racist wrench being thrown into the midst of it. I thought that they performed really well. They're continuing to progress each season, which is like, that's the stuff that we look for is like, are we growing as a cast?

And they are. Like they're learning how to play the game. We're also seeing them go in different directions, which we want to see. Unfortunately, I will say this, we're reaching, we're getting close to that line.

We're probably two years away from that VPR line, where they're going to get too big, the show is going to shift, and it's going to not be nearly as good as it was. So next season, really soak it in, because that might be the last genuine Soho season we're going to get, and then it's going to go the way of Vanderpump rules. It's inevitable. They're all getting big.

Maddie's a fucking international DJ now. Michaels is modeling. You're seeing it happen in real time. Next season's going to be authentic. I can't promise that moving forward. Yeah, that's a good call. But anyway, both of us are about cross-eyed right now because we've had a long Sunday. So, yeah, that's all I got.

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