Bros & Shows - Karen Continues to Play Victim, Gizelle Apologizes and Hell Freezes Over (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

What's up Bros? It's Potomac time and we are so happy that this season is off to such a good start. Gizelle kicks the ladies out of her GnA event despite only being 4 minutes late. However, she recognizes later that they were just collateral damage and to EVERYONES surprise... SHE APOLOGIZES! It seems like her and Karen are geared up to face off all season. Wendy and Gizelle continue to further their friendship and we are liking that duo. Ashley calls out Karen for the shady behavior regarding the awards show. We get to meet Inc and hear more about Mia's coparenting situation/ living situation with G. Gizelle fears that the newbies are falling under Karen's spell already so she makes an effort to get to know them. Stacey introduces us to TJ in a very strange scene, and then finds out that Ashley Darby may not be who she says she is... The crew heads to Lake Norman (great spot) for Mia's cast trip. En route Mia points out to Karen that this is a criminal charge against her, and despite her not discussing it, it is out there on the internet and eventually Karen will hit a breaking point. The biggest bummer for us is watching Karen take zero accountability on the issue. The victim mentality when you get your second DUI is a bold strategy and we don't see it panning out for her. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Titan is a Dutch country. Anyway, welcome back to another episode. We're here to talk a little bit of Potomac, and this is a great season. It's a great season so far, we're three episodes in. Everybody seems to enjoy it, too, which is huge. That's massive. Everyone on the show seems to enjoy being there, people talking about it on socials or enjoying what they're seeing. So if you're not watching it and you're listening to this one, thanks for the support.

The blind support's always great. But watch the show, too. It's really good. They're finally coming back. You don't need to drum up ratings for this, though. They're fucking killing it. Them and OC are pretty much tied right now with ratings. That's really surprising to me.

Because Potomac, I mean, coming from last year, was doing very bad numbers. I think it's honestly, I think what happened was that first episode had really high ratings because people wanted to see how Karen was going to handle the DUI. Fair. And Karen is such a mainstay in the Housewife community. So we all want to check in, see how they're going to do this. And the show was just good. So people continue to watch. Oh, yeah. Okay. So they had. Honestly, if we didn't have the Karen thing in the beginning of the season or in the off season, rather, I don't think people would have checked it. that's a good point based off of how it was last season because most people stopped watching us included yeah we did but definitely glad that we're watching again definitely glad they're firing all cylinders do you think that the reenactment of the DUI alleged DUI according to Karen uh-huh I'm just going to call it a DUI back so come out yeah the truth will prevail um do you think that the reenactment

itself solidified high ratings yes I think it was the hook of all hooks honestly because look, if you're watching all of these other shows and the way that they're portraying DUIs, you watched OC, they've been talking about it the entire season, but OC's still so good that you can still get into it. Most people are, you know, rising up and supporting Shannon doing this, it's a much different look for Potomac. Oh, yeah. So I think if you went into it, expecting them to handle it the way that they did with Shannon's,

and then you were blown away by this reenactment that they did in a joking way. Pretty much. It was probably like, oh, what the fuck just happened here? let me see if they ever explain this or get into it, and they don't, obviously. We talk about it every week. We talk about it every week. But you can watch how Karen's acting and how everybody else is acting with it. And it's immediately just first episode, second episode, third episode, just bang, bang, bang.

It's great. The funniest part is how they portrayed the DUI is actually on par with how it's being handled this season by character. That's a good point. Yeah. Like, it's so you would think that this would be a very touchy subject, something you wouldn't want to make light of and make a wacky reenactment. video but how she's talking about it and discussing it you're like oh that fits weirdly this bizarre video and also i really want to know who made it and what their intention was behind we'll move on to this week's episode but the person that made that i would love to know if their intention

was to be like deadly serious like when they got done with that and showed somebody they're like look how moving this is it really captures what happened what a DUI represents maybe That's a good point. Yeah, I would imagine that I like to think about it this way. They went into it with the intention of it being a peek behind the curtain. This is what happens. This is what Karen went through. And then once watching it and maybe watching it with some other people realized how ridiculous it was and decided to just keep it in there.

And then somebody goes, put a deer in it. Well, that's the other thing is in that first scene, and we will get to the episode, in that first scene where she's driving with Giselle. There's deer. She has a little PTSD reaction to the deer. PTSD deer? PTSD. She had a little PTSD with that deer running across. And right then there, I'm like, is she going to try to, you know, play like the fragile victim in this all?

And she's not. She's taking any of a weirder stance. It's just getting bizarre. There was no fucking deer. And I guess the deer is also a callback to a previous season. There was another deer-related incident. There's no fucking way. After the way that she's handling this whole thing, we talked about it on our news episode,

for our broth bros members. If you're not a member, you want to sign up, link is in our bio or at the end of the episode description. Click that link, $5 for the month, $50 for the year.

But we just recorded that episode and we talked that length about Karen's DUI getting upheld in court. I guess she appealed it and wanted to get it stricken and they said, no, because of that,

because of her nonchalant attitude towards it, because of her victim mentality in this whole thing, I don't believe there was a deer. I don't believe that. like that's that's very convenient that when you get a DUI and hit a tree it's because a deer ran out yeah that I wouldn't speculate on the you know me I wouldn't speculate on this kind of shit but the way she's handling it's gross I don't care for it so I'm gonna say it I'm gonna say it

I don't think there was a deer what's a deer with no eyes but deer with no eyes no idea no I wouldn't have gotten that that's good yeah I'll save that dad joke for later I'm I'm compiling them so okay thank you for that but that yeah to have gotten there. But anyway. A fish with no eyes. A fish with no eyes? Yeah.

I guess. I got it. Way to go. That's what I was trying to do with deer. And I was like, there's no eyes in there. Got it. Nailed it. Now we can move on.

Let's get to this week's episode. But we start out. We're at the GNA event still. And this might be one of my favorite scenes. And this was such a just throwback scene for me. It was just quality housewife scene. It was. Because they get there, and Giselle immediately gets William, our security guard.

I'm glad that the housewives themselves, like, what the fuck is security doing there, by the way, later? But security comes and kicks them out. As they're getting kicked out, they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Ashley said 8 o'clock. And Ashley goes, I did, but it's 804. I'm like, oh, I thought she was going to defend him. And she's like, you're four minutes late. Early is late.

Early is on time. On time is late. Late is left. Yep. Stan Parker. But that was fucking hysterical. and then they're so pissed off about the whole thing. So they're storming out.

They feel disrespected. Stacey might have too thin of skin for this game. Yeah, I've been thinking that pretty much throughout this entire episode. Yeah, this is where it started because she is so taken aback. She was shaking. The other ladies, you know, Mia's like saying the classic, oh, this is classless, poor taste, blah, blah, jazzy. She's having a good reaction. She's just fucking mad, so she's walking out.

This is bullshit, which it was, but it was a funny moment. Stacey is upset. Stacey, I get the vibe that she is too concerned with her public image. That's the vibe I get as well. To be able to handle what's going to happen in a housewife show. Because this is light. This is very light, and you're looking around saying this is embarrassing, that you're offended and that you're shaking.

It gets a lot worse. It gets a lot worse. This is funny. Yeah, this is good. I'm surprised that no one laughed at this. Even Mia was offended by it, upset about it. I figured that Mia, of all people, would probably laugh a little bit on her way to on the steps? No one was. No, they were genuinely... You need one person in that group to be like,

all right, this is kind of funny, this is ridiculous. I'm going to go home to my kids and go to sleep. Yeah, bye. Yeah. See ya. Ashley does recognize the Karen of it all, though. Yes. He's like, I get what she, I know exactly what she's doing. I asked her a month ago, or that's, we get that later. Yep. But she knows that this was a move. This was Karen trying to play her cards, and it went very well for her because everybody goes to her event and then Jazzy closes the door on Ashley I was like ooh damn I was like that's a funny move

that's gonna come back though there's no way that we move past the door salt it's assault it's a salt brother it's a salt brother and I don't think that we're gonna move past that anytime soon I think that came back this episode bet me that comes back again I really don't want it to though will with Ashley

I know and I'll walk in with a sling at some point and be like I chin with Ashley I always forget too because she kind of just like merges in where obviously like she's not a key player of this show but she does so much that you can't ignore her and she does little things like this that always irritate me and she does it later i'm happy the jazzy got ahead of it a little bit but you're right if she does bring it back up it is definitely going to annoy me oh yeah it's like the tictox yeah but i do love the the idea of and actually is the perfect person for this the the courier if

you will of the QR code QR code was awesome was hilarious because you have everybody walking over to Giselle saying wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, we were actually kind of banking on them donating? Can we at least get them to donate before you kick them out? So fucking funny. I'll send Ashley down there. Ashley is jumping for joy to go do this because she loves doing this type of shit, which is fine.

That's her perfect role. Going down there and of course she gets shut out. But Giselle gets a safe face because she just kicked them out. She's not going to go down there and do it. You can't send someone else. Send Ashley. She's perfect for it. Yeah, that was a great moment. She shoves the iPad in their face. I scan the QR code.

So I like that. It was a great scene overall. It was chaotic. It was funny. Everyone's mad about Giselle. The fact that security kicked them out is even funnier. So just a great way to kick the episode off. But we get to Stacey and Jazzy and they're both pretty pissed.

And this is where they ask, what's security doing there? Why is security involved? I asked the same thing last week. I don't know. I think it's funny. But we both stated there needs to be a security guard present now at every single Housewives event across all shows just to have this move available.

You know what? Nope. William, get them out of here. Homeless, not toothless, has to have a security guard. William has to be there. Oh, my God. No, it has to be William. It has to be William, yeah. And they just need to go, William.

And then he comes out of nowhere with a team. And you know what? Take it even a step further. And then he, like, wraps him up on something and takes him out on a dolly. Boop. How'd you get there? That'd be funnier. Cellophane?

Yes. Perfect. Wrap them up and saran wrap up. Is it a Bay Harbor Butcher? No, you don't kill them. You just leave them on the car. Well, I'm just saying cellophane. You know, that's what I think of right away.

Immediately you just go to serial killer. Cellophane? Yes, I go to Dexer. I'm saying Seran wrap. You're saying selifane and repeating it. Yes, Seran wrap doesn't sound serial killer. Cellophane sounds serial killer. Yeah, that's a really good point.

That's where your brain goes. Slightly alarming. Just saying. I like Dexter a lot. What do you want for me? I'm just saying. I like Dexter too. I still call it Seran wrap, you psycho.

Mm-hmm. But as they're chit-chatting, Ashley arrives, and she's good this season so far. And I'm going to eat my word. She's going to piss me off, get annoying. But her reactions are funny. They're like, what a night. She goes, G&A had a great night. I'm like, that was pretty good.

Yep. That was pretty good. But Karen arrives as well, and as she's walking in, this is the first moment, hopefully last moment, but something tells me it won't be. She's going to get into a Jazzy again. I'm going to bring up the door. I'm okay with them getting into a sprinter van and Ashley making a comment to jazzy saying don't close the door on me that would be funny that's fine that's good callback but

you are so right and i'm just trying to get into it she's going to be like oh like that time you shut the door on me and then she's going to grab her arm and be like oh she already did that she literally grabbed her arm and said yeah i'm a little sore this morning like that too much too much she apologized she got ahead of it she beat you to the punch yep and let it let it sit there it's all you got to it will not but i like that ashley called out karen and calls out the fact that we talked about your award last week, you didn't know what it was for. Yep. One thousand percent believe that to be true.

I guarantee she was like, oh, there's some award thing next week, and I have to go to that. That was probably the extent of the conversation, and then she turns it into this prestigious award, and you mentioned this in our news episode, and I think you hit it on the head. This is the perfect time to get a prestigious Fem Power Award when you're going up against it, why? because you can say,

I got this great award. I'm honored in my community. Everyone likes me. My friends all came out to support me. Look at me. I'm doing fine. This was just a mistake. I think this was a play from day one, too,

because going back to the conversation that Giselle and Karen had last week, where Giselle even said, I saw that flyer. She wasn't on there. Somebody must have dropped out and then Karen weaseled her way in there. I guarantee you that Karen was going to this event regardless,

was thinking about it, and then the second that she heard, maybe even talk to the people that were being honored and said, hey, if you can't go for whatever reason, let me know, because I'll talk to the committee for you. Interesting. I like that. It's a play. It's definitely a play as far as how convoluted it gets and her role on it.

Giving her all the credit in the world, by the way. I think so, too. Yeah. I think so, too. Somebody like Karen, I'm always going to make sure that it goes extra deep. Well, you know that she's going to go the extra mile for it. So I believe all of that to be true. But Karen is so stuck on this Inquisition birthday party.

And let's just get this out of the way immediately. Yeah, there's questions because you've got a fucking DUI and you're not talking about it. Uh-huh. So there's going to be questions. It's not an Inquisition birthday party. All right. You went to a birthday party with people we haven't seen in a while. They had questions for you and rightfully so.

So I don't understand why she keeps going back to that. And Ashley's like, that's a great deflection. I'm like, Ashley's holding her own right here. I actually appreciate it. Karen comes with a, it's tough to come back from this. And this is the problem with Ashley going into arguments is just because of Michael. Yeah. Because she goes, like you deflected back when Michael was grabbing asses.

I'm like, damn, damn it. It's a great deflection. And that's why Ashley can't ever lead a charge with something like this. And she still does it too when she talks about divorces and stuff. And I just want, I need Bravo to send out something, some sort of rule now. And I'm sure there are some rules that they have for different house lives. There's no rules. They need one key rule just because you're in a lawsuit, just because you're going through legal troubles.

You do not get to use the blanket statement. it's currently in the legal process and I can't talk about it. You can't do that anymore. I'm sick and tired of it. Every fucking show now, there's something going on and nobody can talk about anything

when we know for a fact that you can talk about this stuff. You have to talk about this stuff. It's your fucking job. So I'm tired of everybody just laying on this because it seems like, and if it was like every other show where it's a serious legal battle

or it's like divorces or whatever it might be, fine, that's okay if you truly can't talk about it. Or if you come out and say, Hey, it's really hard for me to talk about this, and I don't want to talk about it, but I am taking responsibility, at least. Karen's doing none of that. She's just using the blanket of it's in the courts right now. I can't talk about it.

That's not fucking true. It's the most frustrating thing ever. I need you to talk about it. Agreed. Counterpoint. Stop breaking the law. Well, yeah, that's not going to happen. Come on.

Let's stop breaking the law, guys. And then maybe you'll be able to talk about your shit on TV because you're not in a lawsuit. There's always going to be, and look, not that. no DUIs or we'll put the DOIs aside. There's always going to be white collar crimes going on in these shows. There's always embezzlement. There's always some sort of slander going on out there. There's always somebody ordering something from Alibaba

and marking it up for their own stores. Things like that are always going to happen. It's just par for the course. I'm just saying if you don't want to talk about your lawsuit, stop breaking the law. But Karen's not done. She goes after Ashley's Bunyan's. Ashley goes after her with,

this is the low-hanging fruit, and by the way, should be used throughout the season if this is Karen's approach to her DUI, that she's the victim in it somehow. You should worry about your jail time. Period. You should.

You're so concerned about your optics of this whole thing. You're not even considering the fact that you may be behind bars when this is all said and done, and deservedly so. This is your second DUI and you're taking zero accountability.

Yep. you worry about yourself, not an inquisition party that you seem to think is some big play against everybody, that they're hearing that and going, oh, she's on to us. They don't give a fuck. They're still going to ask you questions about it because they want to know. So anyway, they all agree they can move forward if Giselle says, sorry, as I'm watching this scene, I'm mirroring everything that these women are saying that no, Giselle. I'm like, that's never going to happen.

You want Giselle to apologize? What have we ever seen that before? When hell freezes over, that's my thought. Oh, yeah. When I tell you I was stunned later, when it wasn't even a knocked down dragout, she just offers the apology. It was spoiled for me, which is so disappointing. I know.

I was scrolling Twitter, just looking at like nothing really and happened to see that pop up and it literally said, did hell freeze over? And I was like, fuck, she apologized. I didn't even have to look at the scene. They had the clip, and I didn't even have to look at the scene, and I knew exactly what it was, and I was so pissed off. I got the pay off, and let me tell you, it was, was it good? Oh, so good. Because I was, I was stunned. Very rarely on these shows, am I, like, floored, and I was like, holy shit, she just offered enough, and no one even had to ask her. She's like,

I need to apologize for that. I was like, excuse me? And then she does. It's like, wow. Multiple times. Yeah, without any butts at the end of it. And look, we know who Giselle is. Is it strategy? Probably. But it's so different. It's such a different strategy that we've never seen before. So it's awesome. I don't know what to do with it. Look, we talked about it last week. If Giselle can continue down this path and she is going to be the star of the show, this is what you need from the star of your show. You got to be able to mend fences. You need to be able to mend fences with people that you didn't necessarily mean to hurt that were collateral damage and go after the actual culprit. And it's Karen. And she's going to. You're going to need them. We have set

the stage in the best way possible where everybody else has been apologized to for being a part of that. And then Giselle can stop and at the very end of her apology, say, my beef is with Karen and Karen alone. And everybody else is going, all right, cool. What's up with Karen, though? Based off of what you've been doing in the past, I'm okay. You apologize to me. I don't need to be part of this. And now they're questioning Karen because, oh, your beef's with Karen. Oh, yeah, what's going on with you two? And now they start to dig a little deeper. That being said, Giselle fumbles the bag later with the meetup with Jazzy and Stacey. We'll talk about that. But we get to Wendy and her mom. And when she pulled that fish out of the freezer, I laughed out loud.

That was the, like, I'm thinking, all right, she's making yam porridge, which sounds wonderful, by the way. And she's like, I left something in the freezer for you. The last thing I was expecting was an unwrapped dogfish. And it's, like, scored on the side. That thing was terrifying to the point that the child screamed and ran away. Yeah. That's a great scene. Just leaving that fish completely open.

It was raw dog in the freezer with a dogfish. dogfish raw dogfish is what we said it was wow raw raw dog dog fish are you trying to sing rock raw raw raw raw dog raw dog fish no rod oh it is a raw dog in the raw dog fish in the freezer holy fuck wow that's a double raw dog I uh I need to sit the next few plays out yeah I think we need to take a breather yep you won't know but we just took a five minute break and we're back and we get a quick checking with kiarna and her mom and I'm only talking about this because We have to keep her relevant because she hasn't done much yet. I'm not sure what she's going to do for the show.

I like her in the scenes that I see her. I think she's just going to be Karen's butt buddy. Is that what it's going to be? Potentially. It seems like that's what they're setting up. Okay. Where Karen and her are friends because of what happened last year and they've gotten a lot closer and that's really the only importance thing that she's done so far.

So that's at least in my mind, that's how I feel. like it's going to be because we already saw Giselle's planting the seeds against Karen. People are starting to question what's going on. You have Mia kind of somewhere in the middle where she just loves the gossip. Yeah, she loves that. But I think that Karen's going to need some sort of support

and maybe it'll come in the form of Kiarna and maybe like one or two other people. It'll be interesting to see who's going to be on Team Karen if she continues to take this approach to her DUI. I don't see anybody aside from Kiarna being fully Team Karene. Stacey and Jazzy are a question mark. Stacey, I don't know what to think. And we'll get more into Stacey later because...

Jazz, he's not a friend of Cairns. She's not. So she's... I think Stacey's going to be all for her. There's going to be people bouncing between it. It's going to be Ashley and Mia probably where they can at least get the information because they always play a really good middle person because they want the gossip. They're not actually in the middle.

They're not actually in the middle. They play in the middle so that they can get information and then pass it along to other people and then do their dirty work for them. So, yeah. We'll see Kearna's role and how it shakes out. But with that next. Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a

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Bro, I was like, holy shit, just out of nowhere? He's just chilling at the house. They're going over curfews. Everything's fairly fucking normal. Big co-parenting episode. Yeah, it was, wasn't it? Really big co-parenting, yeah, they didn't put that together until then.

But during this scene, she talks about the other ladies being collateral damage, that she owes them an apology. That's where my jaw began to drop. Hadn't fully dropped yet. Yep. Getting there.

But again, lovely scene, my only gripe is this. One of the daughter's dates. Yep. And every dude listening to this podcast, despite what you may think, wearing sneakers with a suit always looks like shit. There's not a middle ground there.

Yeah. It's not cool. It's not hip, especially if you're a teenager and you think it's cool. You've got a prom. That's when you see it the most. But if you see it out, and like, I'm not excusing that behavior. But they're younger. But if you see it after prom, if you're in college and then they're after.

No. I've been to weddings and seen it. And I just want to walk up and be like, I don't care if they're your Jordans. I could give two fucks. They don't match the suit you're wearing. you look awkward, get some real shoes. Grow up and get some dress shoes. You know?

Yep. Don't wear, just don't do it. Let's mention when you're walking in Jordans, you have to be careful that you're not going to crease them. So that's uncomfortable as it is. How are you going to dance like that? You know what I mean? You need to be out there with slippery shoes.

That's the rule. Well, maybe you take your Jordans off and you get those socks that they hand out at weddings. Oh, yeah, those are fun. The women always use because they take their heels off. Yeah, a little grippy socks. Yeah. I actually kind of want to do that. Next wedding I go to, I'm going to take my dress shoes off and just put some gravy socks.

on. I will too. I've got one in December. Oh, good. I got one in January, so let me know how it goes. Yeah, you're on. That'll be fun. But yeah, just don't do it. It's a bad look. But we get to Mia and we get our first glimpse of ink. Her boyfriend, not pen ink. Yep. Just to clarify. I hope everybody

listening knows that. Yeah, just to make sure you know, we're talking about a person, not ink. But they were high school sweethearts. They're on quote unquote vacation. They're on little Airbnb that they do to avoid Gordon who lives in their building. This whole thing is so goddamn messy. And this scene, despite what it's painted as, where it's like, oh, Jacqueline's coming over

with Patrick, their PPs, their parental partners, and he also has a big PeeP, great, glad we know that now. This, I didn't like this scene. I didn't like it. I don't know why I know they're co-parenting. I know everyone's going to get along. There's just something weird about. about knowing ink might be a father of one of these children.

That was really the only thing to take away from this pretty much the entire scene. I mean, it's weird. There's got to be way more there because when Mia's talking about Gordon being in the same building, she talks about him coming over because he has a hangnail that he wants her to chop off and he lost his coffee cup or whatever, there's so much more there because she's acting like it's not that big of a deal, but they're taking... Patrick's like, yeah, you know, you got to take it with it. I got to understand what he's going through, too.

What is Patrick talking about? He's not wrong, I guess, but like, what's this guy doing? Look, Patrick, you're no Greg. We love Greg. Greg's great. Greg's great. We love Greg. I love you, Greg.

Love you, Greg. Inocuous, Greg. I just, it irks me because I know that there's a lot more here and me is hiding it. There's got to be a lot more where G is just showing up all the fucking time. Maybe? He's probably like sleeping on the couch because he's 78 years old. There's a lot going on there that they have to leave to go to an Airbnb. be they make it seem like well you know we live in the same building we just need like a weekend

away where he's not going to drop by there's like okay whatever sure he's got to be there all the fucking time and it's got to be driving them up a wall and i bet you that ink probably can't go to me as much because gee might show up and there's beef and we'll see the two of them on screen at the same time i'm sure later in the season at least based off of the trailer but yeah i just know that she's hiding something there's a lot of beef going on in there my problem with it honestly is we we just shouldn't see this. You know, with the kids involved, like, the question marks of who the dad is, like, I'm all for figuring out, like, who the actual father is, but it just doesn't seem like

we should be party to what's happening. Yeah. And as I'm watching this scene, it's almost like their little getaway from their real dad so that they don't see them with, or their getaway with their real dad. We don't really know that. Yeah. I think it's only Jeremiah that the parent is. Yeah, that's the question mark is on Jeremiah, but it's still.

Even ink does that, too, when Patrick asked him. And he goes, mm-hmm. And then they fucking pan over to Jeremiah. Like, come on, no, no, no, we're not doing this. As I'm watching, I'm like, think about the fucking kid. He's going to grow up and there's no way he doesn't see clips of this when he's older. And be like, why the fuck are we talking about this is a talking point? Who my father is is a talking point.

Thanks, mom, great look. So, yeah, as I'm watching this whole thing, I'm just like, I just get this icky feeling. You know what it is, too. And I know that I've already, this is actually Potomac again. I already referenced the rest of development before with Lucille Bluth. Oh, yeah. The pill battle. This is Uncle Oscar with Buster.

That's, really, maybe his dad is still here. What if they're just pulling from arrested. The production team of Potomac used to work on arrested development. They're just pulling from that. Jeremiah walks over and he's like, yeah, my dad's still back in the apartment. Maybe your dad's still here. That would be really funny. But the whole thing, it's just really confusing.

It seems icky, yeah. Patrick's involved in comforting about... I don't care about Patrick. It was just weird. It's weird. I'm still waiting to come around on Jacqueline. I still don't forgive her for all that shit last year and the year before. Not Patrick yet.

I don't care about Jackson. I don't, yeah, I think that's probably more... Like, even when she's talking, I'm like, I don't... My proxy, I don't care about. Patrick. Patrick. Yeah, fuck you, Patrick. There's a Pee Pee for you.

Proxy Patrick. Yeah, proxy Patrick, Patsy proxy. We get to Stacy and T.J. Raw dog. Raw dog. to the raw dog fish. Stacey and T.J. Question for you. Yeah. I'm going to stall of there. I've got a couple questions.

I want to see if it's the question that I immediately popped in my head when you said that. Was your question in the beginning of the scene or a little bit later? Beginning of the scene. Okay. Are they allowed to hug? This is my first question. Oh, okay. Because she goes in for a hug. It gets really awkward. I don't know if that's because she's making jokes about the trainer. In the beginning of the scene, I would have said probably not. It looked awkward. But then the squat part of this scene, it seemed like he did want a hug.

Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. He seemed to be leaning his, he was on. He got to go down further. Well, he wasn't wrong. Here's the other part of that whole thing. I figured you have notes on this.

Whoever that poor trainer is. Yeah, that was awkward. This is a really bad look. It's awkward, but it's also a bad look for that guy. It's like, if you've been training this woman for an extended period of time, apparently, that's one of the worst squat forms I have ever seen. in my life. She's on her toes. She's leaning forward. You've got to sit back, everybody. All right, you got to sit back. You can go knees over toes, believe it or not. A lot of people

think you can't, but you've got to sit your ass back. Sit into the squat. Get deep in that bad boy. Back nice and straight locked in. Drive up from the floor. Spread your feet. Push the feet apart as you're coming up. A lot of people don't know that. Rip the tape is what you say. Imagine their tape under your shoes. You're going to rip that tape in half here. Spread your feet out. My point is that it looked bad in the trainer because the squat form is really bad. But as they're talking, his first thing he says to her, I ain't sleeping with you, man. I'm like, whoa, calm down. And then she's like, but, and even if you're not going to boink, I feel like you're allowed to do this, you can talk about it.

She's like on a soak, on a scale, you can soak. Ask the BYU students. But that's the layup. There's a layup. Yeah, that's good. But as they're talking about it, she's like, but how much? a scale of 1 to 10, he goes, K. I was...

First off, that's not an answer. I thought that meant more than 10. Me too. I'm adding up letters and I'm like, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I J, K. 11. Nice. 11 out of 10.

Zero. Why? Are we missing something? Is K like the Greek alphabet for zero or something? No, I just think that he panicked and answered, but like, it makes no sense. This whole scene, if you break it down,

makes zero sense. I felt bad for the trainer, too, because there was... from jump, it seems like there was so much sexual tension coming from T.J. And then there was... None. Based on that squat scene alone, it seemed like he wanted it so much. But then he doesn't.

And then he jumps ahead of her to say, I'm not sleeping with you, and then says K for zero, making no sense once again. But she's the one who asked the question. But she wasn't showing any sexual attention while they were working out. And now she is in the verbal form. I was so fucking confused. My head was in an absolute blender this whole time. Oh, it gets worse for me. Yeah, it continues to get worse.

And I just don't get it. I don't understand. And then she says, well, he's not a virgin. And then the way that she posed this question was really weird. And I'm not going to dig too much deeper on it. It's just the way that she said it, I was confused because she's like, he has been intimate before. Uh-huh. He's not a virgin.

Yep. Doesn't want to be intimate with a woman until he's married. I think it's, I don't know if it's that. I think it could be. I'm not saying anything. No, no, no. The way the question was posed, I'm like, that's a weird way to say that. Yeah, I think if I had to throw something out there for what his reasoning is, he's born again.

Maybe he's born again. That's actually a pretty good point. I think because Stacey's divorce isn't finalized, so they're still technically married. His hang up on that is fucking weird. Yeah. The fact that he's like, I need to know about this. I need to know when it's done. It's like, why?

The whole thing is bizarre. care of it if you trust her as your as your partner and like by the way she's sticking with you and there is zero intimacy it just seems like there's and look if you're going to use you know your christianity and say i can't have sex until i'm married fine then stick to that yeah i don't don't question her about the divorce as some sort of like caveat or hold up for you guys having sex like it just doesn't really make any sense i don't understand any of it everybody's doing a very poor job of explaining it. Yeah, I'm uncomfortable.

I'm uncomfortable, and then the way that we have to break this down. I don't like TJ, by the way. Yeah, I don't really like TJ. The way that we have to break this down is impossible because we have to try to wrap our minds around things. And now I'm awkward again. And now I'm awkward again. I'm going to throw up.

Yeah. I don't know what to do with my answer. Now we need another five minute break. We'll see you in a sec, guys. And we're back and we get Mia with Ink again. And I was confused. I thought they were still at the Airbnb. They're not.

They're at her corner. apartment now. And I don't want to nitpick, but that is our job to nitpick. What she keeps saying and the way that she's saying it, and I hope her kids are happy. I hope everything's copacetic. I hope it's all going the way that they wanted to go. I do believe her to be a good mom. Yeah, despite the fact that she wants to air the shit out on TV, she does care about her kids. I'm not questioning that at all. She stayed in the same building as her ex so that the kids could have a relationship with their dad. I like that move. So I'm not knocking her parenting. Now that that's out of the way. It does appear to me that everything she's saying about her current situation

is hardcore rationalizing. She's like, the kids are so happy, and I think it's because I'm so happy. Then, inks, like, echo, like, that's the most important thing. If you're happy, they're going to be happy. Everyone's got to be happy. I'm like, you keep hammering at home how good everything is. I would much prefer, even if it is good, the acknowledgement of how fucking weird this situation is. Yeah. She's acting like this is not a bizarre scenario other than Gordon living in the same building. That's the only weird part that she's pointing out. That is the only weird part that she's pointing out. And again, this goes back to what I said earlier. I do think that her true feelings are she doesn't want to deal with any of this shit.

She doesn't want Gordon around. She wants to be around with ink. And that's pretty much the end of it. That's really all it is. But she's acting like this is the perfect situation and she's rationalizing like you said. But this whole scene was fully rehearsed by maybe the most rehearsed scene that I've ever seen in my entire life. And we had Ken outing Sandoval and Raquel. Yeah, and it took a very rehearsed. And he still fucked it up. This was awful. Yeah, bad. The cues from Inc. to Mia to get her to start talking about what's going on. What's going on with the girls trip? What's going on with the girls trip? Shut up, Inc. How's, how's Auntie doing? Like, okay, like all of it just

seemed so rehearsed across the board that it does spill into the beginning of this conversation, where they're talking about their well-being and how things are going with the kids with G still living in the building and her acting so happy, all of it just seems like a full-blown act. Yes. And that's all it is. That's what I'm getting from it. And I don't know if, look, we've seen Mia before be able to carry on for an entire season acting like everything was fine.

So I think she'll probably do it again. I don't think we'll actually see her break. So it's just important to note that we don't believe any of it. No, I don't for a second. And I still think it's bizarre that, again, Jeremiah will see this one day. especially, especially if ink turns out to be his dad. And, like, I wanted to have a relationship with his father, but Gordon's also his dad.

He's raised a kid and also, like... We're going to get that, too, and wonder if they do the reveal. No, on camera. This is not Mori. By the way, Mori Alive. Mori alive, by the way. A lot of people, a lot of people reached out. Some not that happy with us, by the way.

All right. Well, they need to relax. Yeah, settle down. Are we supposed to know? Settle down. I'm not homesick in the afternoon watching Mory. I'm not in elementary school anymore watching Mory. But adults don't know who's alive and dead anymore.

So that's how that works. But I get notifications on my phone. The news alerts I get on my phone are literally only dead people now. It's like USA Today. Famous rock star dead. Fox. Famous rock star dead. Does it always the rock stars?

I don't know. What are they up to? They have a long lifespan, but we're getting to that point. The rock age is a long time ago. That's a really good point. Jagger still on tour. But, like, and I hate to say this, but if it turns out that Ink is Jeremiah's dad and they do it on camera, will me a show at Jeremiah that scene later down the line?

Here's the moment that your father found out that he is your father. The only way... The only way that this is appropriate is if you get Mari to do it. Yeah. If you're going to do this and it's going to be a spectacle for TV and you're going to put your child's well-being on the line here. You'll be able to do it with the reunion and Andy will read it. You got to go, no, Andy should go,

there should be a bar at the reunion, which there's not, but have the bartender come out of nowhere and the bartender is Bori with a big vanilla envelope saying, ink, you are blank. And then we find out. And that's the teaser as well.

And everybody will watch the reunion. So my point is, if you're going to do this, if we're going to take this route of let's throw the kids well-being out the window, and do the dad thing, then let's go all in. Let's lean into this shit because he's already going to be fucked up from it down the road. So let's bring Maury in because he's not dead. Hell yeah.

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I didn't have great showing because I kicked them out via security. The lore of the Grand Dame. Oh, yeah. She got them hook, line, and sinker, but Giselle wants to flip the table a little bit, so she wants to bring them over, try to get to know them a little bit, try to get on the same page with them. And I just wrote here, they're minionized by Karen. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, 100%. But they arrive, and Giselle immediately says, sorry, which I was again flummoxed. I was like, wow, she did it again. Because they get a quick cut scene with Mia earlier with the first apology. then you get another one, and she never ends it with a butt, which I'm waiting for the butt. She just says, I'm sorry. Karen knew what she was doing.

I'll leave it at that. Yep. Wendy arrives. She's shocked that she's appalling. Wendy spoke for everybody, I believe. Yes, she definitely did. She's like, wow, what the fuck's going on? Who is this woman? We don't know yet.

We're still waiting to find out who this new Jazeel is. Yeah, waiting for the other shoe to drop, potentially. But this first shoe is pretty great. Yeah, I like the shoe. Liking the first shoe. Just not with the suit. Yes, not with the suit. okay guys public service announcement no sneakers with suits but stacey talks about her divorce a little bit

this is where jazelle starts to stumble because i know what she's doing she's trying to relate a little bit it falls short because of once again stacey potentially having a little bit too thin skin for this or being too concerned about her overall image because she's like it sounds like you're kind of sad about it i was happy about this divorce or my divorce and then she's She's like, of course I'm sad. I'm always going to be sad about this. It's a very sad thing. But I do think that that's fair, at least.

Ooh, yeah, yeah. No, I know you're not saying that. Yeah, I do think that that's fair. And it's just a huge whiff on Giselle's part where it's like, ooh, you weren't expecting that reaction. Yeah, I was not expecting that. And that just goes to show you, not all divorces are exciting. Yeah, not everyone's stoked.

To move on from a toxic relationship. It could have been a very nice relationship that devolved over the years, and you're sad about it for the sake of your kid, for the sake of yourself, and your relationship, and all the things that you have moving forward. Correct. Just because you're dating, we loosely use that term, dating a guy. What's the equivalent of soaking to dating? I don't even soaking, though.

No, no, I know that. You know lower than that. No, I understand that. I'm saying, what is the equivalent of dating somebody? If soaking is to sex, hanging out, what is dating to? Hanging out? What is dating to? Seeing or hanging out, probably?

That's not a fun word. But I thought, I was hoping for like a funer word, like, uh, hovering. Because they're not thinking, they're just hovering around each other. Yeah, that could work. Floating. Ah, floating. Sniffing around. Yeah, I don't like that.

No. No, no sniffing. You wanted something fun. Sniffing is fun. It's not fun. It's, I don't like it. You know what I'm thinking of? I'm thinking of like the playoff picture when they do that at the end of the season,

and there's a couple of teams in there that really don't have a chance to make the playoffs. And they put, Fox just started doing this last year. They throw it up there and say sniffing around. All right. I love that one. Sniffing around. Yeah. That's what I said the first time.

You said sniffing around. I don't think you did. Roll the tape. I'm not going to do that right now, but roll the tape. I used some sort of... I thought you said sniffing. I used some sort of prepositional phrase, and I don't know what it was. I don't know what it was.

A lot of things. If it wasn't around, any other word that I can think of is not good for sniffing. Oh, God. Where am I? Here we've got to take another break. And we're back. And the reaction to the divorce. is okay yeah sure you're going through a major life change your life partner this that the other

okay got it this is where i think she's a little too thin-skinned because actually kind of willy-nilly just goes oh she's got a new man she got a new friend yep and jell's like oh so you're good you're happy again she i don't know look i get it because of her the way that she explained it and i was actually stoked that for the first time the first time the first first time we get a parent saying, I don't want to do this on TV because of the mental well-being of my daughter. I'm going through a divorce. I don't want to have this conversation. I'm like, thank God, because we've seen so many times that this same kind of scene plays out with no regard for the child, flash over to Mia and what's going on with Inc. NG. Case in point. Yeah.

So, yeah. No, I'm stoked that she said that and said her piece. My issue is that she takes serious offense to these issues that are going on. Yeah. So if you go back to the party, she was very upset about getting kicked out security. She was baffled. She was all sorts of feelings, thoughts, and emotions. Flash forward in this scene, yes, Giselle missed the mark entirely. She thought she was talking to somebody else.

She didn't get your vibe. All right? I get that. You can have your reaction. My point is that shouldn't be an end-all-be-all moment. and I think with Stacey, it might be, where she's like, I don't like Giselle because of this interaction.

Yeah, and it could be. And honestly, she could just lump Jiselle and Ashley together because of that interaction. That too, yeah. Which would not bode well for her career as a housewife. In this situation,

you could always just look at Ashley and say, it's not your news to share. Go after that. Just a quick little thing. She does kind of go after Ashley, but she goes about a very clumsy way. You've come over to my house before. We've spent a lot of time together.

Why is this your information to share? I thought I knew you better. weird that's a really weird approach you can just very plainly say that's not your information to share and then cut it down right there especially considering tj was just on screen so it's not like he's a big secret yeah i get wanting to protect your daughter going through the divorce that's fine yeah great good for you i actually very much and like getting mad about it afterwards and it looks like it continues no i'm not into carryover is where i'm like all right it's not the end of the world i like that she immediately gets a sense of Ashley.

She's like, I don't think I knew her as well as I thought he did. You are correct. You don't. You do not. Now you kind of do. Remember that. Yeah, remember this moment for the future, but play it a little cooler because then you can use Ashley because she'll do your bidding for you.

She likes you. Or she'll give you little nuggets of truth here and there that you can use for later. My point is her reactions to things seem to be very staunch. And that's okay because she's reacting. She's a human being. defending her kid, defending her ex-husband, all of that, great. I mean, her ex-husband's face is blurred the entire time every time they show it. She's doing right by her family.

I appreciate that. I just don't want her to get dragged down this early by trivial stuff when the good stuff still coming. Like the Karen versus Giselle or Karen versus Mia or whomever. Like, I want her to be in a place where she's not so anti-other people on the show. that she can join in on a team and we don't know where she's going to go. I don't want her to just go back to Karen now because Giselle fucked it up. Agreed. I want her to stay neutral for the longer.

All right. I agree with that. So that's why I'm going to see all it goes. And look, she's a newbie. Maybe she'll learn. That's what we always hope. Yeah. They can learn from their mistakes.

This might not be something that she learns from very quickly because she might not even identify it as a mistake. She might think that she's doing the right thing, especially by her family. But TJ was just on the screen. Yeah. See, you can't continue this. And you're talking about sex with him. Yeah, you have to have some sort of,

wherewithal. That's all I'm saying. You can't play both sides and then get been out of shape when you brought him on. And now Ashley, all she said was, by the way, she just said she's got a friend. Yep. And to Ashley's point, which I don't like to give her credit, but she says, all I said was she had a friend. Like, you can, Arabelle or daughter seeing that, it's not going to be like, who's your friend? Yeah. Like, you know, it's a friend. So I didn't think it was that deep. I just don't want her to get dragged down because I have hopes for Stacey. I like her so far. But Giselle kind of, I mean, she really, I forgot she did this too, so I read my notes. At the end, she gives her, like, marriage advice and, like, mothering. She's like, you just need to take care of yourself and be happy because kids can see

that, like, she's telling her how to be a mom. She didn't ask you for that. I don't like when people do that. It's a big pet peeve of mine when people offer me parenting information. She tells me that the old Giselle's still in there. Oh, which is good. Yeah. That's good.

We want a little part of that. We need pieces of that. Yeah, not all of it. But we get to the Lake Norman trip, and Wendy and Giselle, once they get in the car, are vibing pretty hard. Yeah. I like it. I'm a fan of it right now.

It obviously could be set up for failure, but I like it right now. Right now it's pretty good. And I like that Wendy is taking the right route here. She had to sit down with Giselle in the first episode. It was very quick. She was a little taken back. But, you know, took it with a grain of salt. Now seeing the apologies, like, all right, are you going to be better?

At least get to a point where you're copesthetic on camera and you can kind of be friends. I like that. And you can understand, Giselle just lost her best friend, her partner in crime. She's no longer on the show. So she's going to be looking around and doing what she's going to do. Maybe you can step in there, and it could lead to you having a bigger role on the show. Which is what Wendy's always needed to do. Wendy gives us not a lot.

Time for her to step up. And maybe that is through Giselle. So it'll be interesting to see. But the episode ends in Mia and Karen's car. And as Mia let slip earlier, the DUI is a criminal case. She saw a criminal online. It's public information. So, again, the fact that Karen's being so weirdly secretive about it is very weird.

and that's what Mia says to it's like look it's on the internet it's going to come out you need to talk about it you at least need to do something and then in a confessional Mia's like at this point she has still not copped to doing anything wrong that's my biggest problem yeah and now it makes sense because if she was trying to have the DUI thrown out in court she can't she was trying to not talk about it yeah so it makes sense as to why she was doing it but again it looks terrible like it's your second one that's the other part you're not going to come out from this looking very squeaky clean. So I'm glad Mia's calling her out on her ship because Mia is, I do believe, one of the few

people that can probably go toe to toe and not that other women on the show can't. It's that when Karen tries to bulldoze Mia, Mia will take it up the notch. Yeah. She will just go, we've seen it before. We've seen it before, yeah. So I think that for that to really land, if you have a Mia, Giselle combo going up against Karen about the DUI. It'll be more interesting to see if they can actually team up because it could be sort of like Mia and Giselle on separate teams but by themselves still.

Going after Karen and then Karen kind of defending from both sides. I'm cool with that too. Yeah. I'm all right with that. Yeah. But all, all, keep it up, Potomac. You're making me very happy. I'm glad my favorite show is starting to get back to its good graces.

Yep. But let's get to some questions. First one here from Bridget underscore J. at any point did you miss Robin and if so why are you lying no nope I haven't missed her haven't even thought about her actually except for when we do our recaps and we have to bring it up just to compare how Giselle was before with Robin otherwise when I'm watching this show I don't even think about it can literally point to her being the reason this show sucked honestly uh from j Bay the hut 713 I like that one is Karen the actual villain

this season yeah I think so Just based off of that. Yeah, and look, you can say she was using that honorary night for her own purposes in her criminal case, but she still took away from somebody else on the show who was having a party the same night. So that is villainous behavior. The lack of accountability.

The lack of accountability plus that, plus the way she's moving. Like, yes, she 100% is the villain as of now. This one doesn't have a name. Oh, no, there it is. Chandler Randler. Chandler. Is Stacey being over...

Is that their real name? I don't know, dude. It says Chandler-Randler's response. I think because... I think Chandler wrote this one in a notes app and then posted it. See more and more of people doing that. Is Stacey being overly sensitive

about Ashley sharing the fact that she has a post-divorced male friend with the group? As we addressed, I mean, yeah, slightly. I get it. And again, I appreciate that she's doing that for her daughter's behalf. It gets very confusing when the scene prior is her talking about sex with her quote-unquote friend.

So, yes, she, yes. We'll do two more here from DR Cards. I am here. It could be Dr. Cards, Dr. Cards. I'm here for Stacey trying to hold Ashley accountable. People have tried to do it in the past. It doesn't really work. It won't work.

It just never works. She's never accountable. It's interesting to see somebody that's new to the fold peggar immediately. Like, oh, that's who you are. Yeah. Last one here. This is a fun one. From Miranda E.

412. Who would you rather spend a day watching football with? Gordon or Ink? Oh, probably Inc. Yeah, I think it's probably Inc because Gordon will fall asleep after whatever. Gordon will get C.E.C. He's a commander's fan or whatever. He'll get sleepy.

If Ink is a radio guy, I would imagine we could probably find common ground to shoot the shit. I don't know what was happening in 1950, so I can't really talk to Gordon. Good point. It's a good point. Sick burn. Fuck you, Gordon. Actually, I kind of feel bad for Gordon. I know.

I was going to follow it up with another comment, and I'm not going to do it. I don't think he needs it. He's going through a lot. He's going through a lot. The father of his child might actually be living in the same building as him with his ex-wife. Like, again, we don't need to be watching all of this. It's entertaining. Yep.

But I feel bad. I feel icky. Can I say what I was going to say? Yeah, of course. You're not my real, dad. No. That's me to Gordon while we're watching football

and he tries to tell me what to do. I understand that. I can't deal with this red zone shit bopping around all the time. I watch one game and get a feel. Who's this team? I was just watching the Eagles. Yeah.

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and Butch and Sundance. Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and Geronimo, Wyatt Earp, Batmasterson, and Bass Reeves, Buffalo Bill Cody, Wild Bill Hickok, the Texas Rangers, and many more. Hear all their stories on the Legends of the Old West podcast. We'll take you to Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge City, to the plains, mountains, and deserts for battles between the U.S. Army and Native American warriors, to dark corners for the disaster of the Donner Party, and shining summits for achievements like the Transcontinental Railroad. We'll go back to the earliest days of explorers and mountain men

and head up through notorious Pinkerton agents and gunmen like Tom Horn. Every episode features narrative writing and cinematic music. And there are hundreds of episodes available to binge. I'm Chris Wimmer. Find Legends of the Old West, wherever you're listening now. I'm Amy Nicholson, the film critic for the LA Times. And I'm Paul Shear, an actor, writer, and director. You might know me from The League, Veep, or my non-eligible for Academy Award role.

in Twisters. We love movies, and we come at them from different perspectives. Yeah, like, Amy thinks that, you know, Joe Pesci was miscast in Goodfellas, and I don't. He's too old. Let's not forget that Paul thinks that Dude, too, is overrated. It is. Anyway, despite this, we come together to host Unspool, a podcast where we talk about good movies, critical hits. Fan favorites, must-season, and case you miss them.

We're talking Parasite the Home Alone. From Greece to the Dark Night. We've done deep dives on podcast. Popcorn Flicks. We've talked about why Independence Day deserves a second look. And we've talked about horror movies, some that you've never even heard of like Ganges and Hess. So if you love movies like we do, come along on our cinematic adventure. Listen to Unspooled wherever you get your podcast. And don't forget to hit the follow button.