Bros & Shows - Karen's Award or Gizelle's Event? (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

What's up Bros? Potomac is off to a great start this season and we couldn't be happier. It seems as though this cast has found its way to making entertaining TV again. Whether that's the absence of Robyn or the shady yet lovely friendship between Karen and Gizelle, we're only 2 episodes in but we are optimistic. In this episode. Gizelle and Wendy sit down in an attempt to reignite some sort of friendship. They are able to hear one another out, and while Gizelle sees a path to be besties... Wendy sees it as a step in the right direction. Gizelle is throwing an event for GNA in honor of her late father and partnering with the Brain Tumor Society. Karen informs Gizelle she's being presented with an award during her and Ashley's GNA event, so she will be attending later. The next morning however, Karen extends an invite to the whole group even though they are all planning on (and have been for awhile) going to Gizelle's event. Double events and shady invites are what we love to see and it forces the group to choose. Although some of the ladies plan on attending both, the timing of the bus back to Gizelle's event makes that next to impossible. We learn more about Stacey and her home life, and while she still lives with her husband despite separation, we definitely don't need Ashley of all people commenting on it. Things escalate when the majority of the group is not present at Gizelle's event. Some of the housewives decide to stay at Karen's event to see her receive her award (namely Wendy which should cause some strain in her newfound friendship with Gizelle) and a few decide to show up late to Gizelle's and are promptly met by security. RHOP seems to have found its way back, and it is just fun to watch! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everyone. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steel Russell. And as always, by the one, the only Gutten Machutes. What's up, pal? I'll tell you what, it's a great time to be a brab, bro. Great time to be a Bravo fan, honestly. With all the shows that are going on right now and then we are going to have to talk

about Tamara at some point, but let it's do for a second and figure that one out because that was a bomb drop today. You woke up to that text. I know. Here's what happens. I was sitting in traffic, and when I'm sitting on traffic, I just kind of like scroll through stuff, and I saw that and did not believe it. I could not believe my eyes.

That would be the workings of an insane person. Only a crazy person would use that defense, given what we've seen this season. Yeah. So, yeah, well, we'll have a really in-depth breakdown at some point on that one. I just don't know if we can do it right now. I just don't know. You know what? We record our news episode tomorrow for our members.

So if you want our take on that, maybe we'll post some clips from it. for the general public but if you want our full take on the camera spectrum debacle then yeah you can sign up for broad bros members click the link in our instagram bio bro bros uh or go to the bros dot memberful com we'll put that up tomorrow and that's not to like try to plug the the members even it's just we need time to talk about it we can't do our next OC episodes until next week and like i am clamoring to talk about it but i will say if you want a really legitimate take on the whole thing go listen to zach peter uh his brother is on the spectrum he does a lot of work with with um autism and things of that nature so if you want a very realistic approach

to this whole thing i would go give him a listen his episode maybe tomorrow i know he's been talking about it on socials today but he's a very good person to listen to on this topic and he also reached out to Tamara because they've partied in the past like he knows her and gave her the opportunity to like come on his podcast and have an actual discussion about it. So I don't know. I was talking to him about it earlier today, but he's he's a very good resource for this topic. So if you want more from us about it, which will be more probably meaner than him. I was listening to his before we started recording and I was like, yeah, I don't think that we have it in us to be this graceful handling all of that. Certainly not. We are going to be way

closer to the knee jerk end of the spectrum on that one 100% holy shit no she didn't just fucking say she's on the spectrum that end that's where we land yeah like what a fucking idiot that's where we land well anyway we're here to talk about potomac which is a lovely little treat that they finally seems like they turned it around uh talk about a knee jerk reaction it's only two episodes in and i am fully back in i'm feeling good same and that's coming from somebody that so much invested in this show previously and had to go through a very difficult two-year period where I had to say goodbye to the ladies of Potomac because they were performing so poorly. I was like, I can't do this anymore.

We stopped covering it last year. I was so upset. So it's been an emotional roller coaster to get to a place where I'm now again, like, you know what? This is starting to become my favorite show again because I love how these ladies are working right now. Everyone, and maybe Robin was the caveat. Maybe getting rid of Robin was literally the...

what they needed to unlock this cast because you're getting Giselle interacting with Karen. You're getting interacting with Ashley. She's also taken center stage entirely. Like, this is Giselle's show right now. And we've said for years, like, Giselle can carry this show. Like, that was our issue last year and the year prior. She gets bogged down by the other green-eyed bandit.

So if you give her space to work and she's not constantly running to Robin to just vent and talk shit, she's great. Lo and behold, she's center stage. She's great. I think what we said last year and maybe even the year prior is that if Giselle used her powers for good, and I don't mean, you know, a good Samaritan, I just mean good for the TV show. Yes.

It would be incredible and she can do it. She has all of the tools to do it. She's a five tool player. Let's be honest. She's a five tool player. You know, you don't get somebody like that every generation. That's a once in generational talent, five tool players. That's what Bryce Harper we're talking about.

It's a show, hey, Otani. But she has chosen time and time again to use her powers for evil. And it is not conducive to a good show. This year, it seems like she has readjusted to life without Robin or she's figured out a way to make everything work. And she realizes how much power she wields. And not only that, it just seems like everybody else is showing up and everybody else is doing a good job. And they're playing their role where you have Karen, I remember maybe last year or the year Before, I know that it took you a little while to warm up to this, but Karen was just kind of mailing it in across the board.

She wasn't doing a lot. And look, you know, obviously what happened to her before the season, we had a very in-depth reenactment to start off this season. We all know what happened to there. So I can't believe that they did that on TV. But she was honestly mailing it in the last two years. She was just, you know, she's still Karen. She's still going to show up. She's still going to have a couple of quirky one-liners or she's going to, you know, raise an eyebrow here or there.

She's trying this year. She is undermining other people. She is making sure she's doing something. She's doing a lot and it's working because it's really funny. Like in that part, again, hopefully so long ago are the times of toxicity and terrible dark behavior on these shows. This is fun. Like, yes, you can break it down a little bit further and say, well, you know, it's really inconsiderate to do this to Giselle, given the fact that she's memorializing her father. Okay, I get it.

But I think that's a stretch too far. If you just break this down as there's competing. parties and Karen just threw something in there and just said, hey, guys, got this all sorted out for you. We're going to, that's fun. That's really fun housewife drama that we need. And it's what makes these shows great. And it's what used to make these shows great.

And I love it. Yeah, we're getting back to that. And yes, I think that the fact that one of the events is a little bit heavier because it's being dedicated to Giselle's father, then it's an honor of him. Yeah. adds another layer to it where, yes, this is quirky, fun housewife stuff. Like, you could go to this, but you could also. to this. You know what? You know, we did that for so long that we don't want to do that anymore.

So we're just going to take it for face. We're just going to go surface level and just talk about how funny it is because I'm, yeah. Oh, that's my whole point is like because there's an extra layer to it. It actually makes it more interesting because it's not just you picked a party over me. Now, Giselle has the ammo to say this was for my dad and you couldn't even show up. So that gives her extra ammo. It's going to be great to watch the fallout of that party. And the thing with Karen. this season and why I say she's doing something because she is doing a lot she's she's showing up to work that's my new favorite term as we know no lunch pal i try to keep it out of there for you one time i was just brought her hard hat she brought her hard hat to work there we go and the thing with karen is yes she's doing something and yes it's working but it is fucking delusional the route that she has decided to take is that of and it's it's a classic housewives trope where they live in their own world. Yeah.

It is funny. But I don't know if other housewives, not every housewife could get away with it because of what the topic is, right? It's a DUI. It's your second DUI. But for some reason, because it's Karen and the delusion is so delusional, it's working this season. It's working this season and it's entertaining. And it's like, how are you the victim of this?

I can't wait for this to play out. out and for her to talk about it more because the more she talks, I'm just like dumbfounded. I'm like, what happened? Did somebody, is this like a conspiracy against you? Is that what we're claiming here? I need to understand the psyche of it all. But because she has me questioning it constantly, it's working because I'm like, what the fuck is she doing?

But it's working. It's working. To your point, yeah, it's the whole show. I mean, everyone is interesting this season. everyone's showing up. Everyone's doing what they need to do. I also really like Stacey. I'm going to come out and say that now.

Stacey's a great addition because I feel like she has a different layer of, she brings a little bit of more class to the show too. She seems like she's going to bring that to the show, which every housewife show does need. And if she can deliver on that, that's all she really has to do this year. I want to see her reactions to the crazy things that are going on and watch her adjust to it.

I think that she's adding a different layer. So right now there's really just nothing to complain about, which is our favorite time. I'm okay with everything that's going on, even stuff that's annoying because they're bringing it up. I'm still cool with it. But let's jump in to this week's episode, and we start out at the end of the Hattitude Party, and Mia's in the bathroom with Jacqueline and Jazzy, and she's crying over what just transpired in there. We know last week that they took it a little too far.

They questioned her motherhood, which we like to leave the kids out of it, rule number one at the propros. But what comes from this scene is not resolution with Mia. anything you can tell by her reactions that she is not cool. Like she's pretty upset about this whole thing and it's definitely going to rear its head later. But we moved on from her already and we're now to Wendy. Wendy gets a bucket hat because her and Giselle's friendship has been in the bucket for the past couple of years.

This is where I get confused though. Because now Giselle is ready to move forward and have a conversation. Let's not forget the root of the rift in this friendship. You accused Eddie, aka Happy Eddie. is where that stems from of stepping out you saw some gossip article which there's a million out there about everybody on bravo you decided to bring it to everyone's attention on tv you called him happy eddie because he's smiling at people at the bar you keep trying to drag her husband and then you have an issue with her because of her response to you and now because jazelle's

ready to move forward wendy we're having lunch tomorrow i'm glad that wendy said okay i love contentious friendships on these shows i love when they're able to find their way back and immediately burn it to the ground, which happens at the end of this episode. But this is I'm here for. I want this duo of Wendy and Giselle. I want to see what comes from this. I want to see them talk. It's just really funny that they get there because now Giselle's ready to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think the ulterior motive here is something that we already talked about where Giselle is taking center stage and she knows it. I think that's her game plan. You know what? If I'm going to be center stage for this show, if I'm going to be the person that makes everything move,

the person that calls the shots on this exact show, then I have to be somewhat cool with everybody. I have to at least try to squash the things. The person I have the biggest beef with right now is Wendy. She might not have actually remembered why, because we've accused her of that in the past where she'll just say stuff, and her and Robin were doing this all the time,

saying stuff about all of their co-stars, and then just kind of like sweeping it under the rug, like, yeah, you know, I don't even know what you guys are talking about anymore. Like, why is this a big deal? I think she just wants to get to a better position for what she's going. going for this season, which I'm okay with.

I thought it was a really funny and awkward invitation to go to lunch. Yeah, it's great. We should go to lunch tomorrow. Here's a bucket of hat. Very fun. We should go. We are going to lunch. We are going.

And we'll break that down a little bit more, obviously, when they have their conversation at lunch. But I thought that that stood out to me as a very clear indicator that Giselle is trying to take a little bit more control over what's going on here. Yeah. And we can talk about it right now because that's the next scene. You get the Wendy walking into the. restaurant. I love the minute she sits down. She's like, hold on. It has a text to send first.

So just to let you know, we're still on my time, Wendy. I need to text somebody. Wendy's wearing a very expressive outfit. It's got a lot of feathers on it. And she says, what's the feathers for? Why are we doing the feathers? Are we flying away? She says, no, I'm coming to you with open arms. I'm like, okay. I'm here for that. I like that. Yeah, yeah. Why not? Let's just see where this friendship can go. Giselle immediately, though, it's like, you know what? I don't care for when we get into altercations. You're very demeaning and condescending.

Very true. Wendy tends to, when she gets amped up, talk shit to. Yeah, well, just she leans on the fact that she is a, you know, a professor, a doctor. She's got four degrees. She looks down on other people. They're less intelligent than she is, which is probably true. She's a very smart woman. But it does get old when the first response is always demeaning to the other person's intelligence.

So I agreed with what she was saying. But again, based on what this whole thing started from, can you really be that shocked that her response to you is condescending and demeaning when you're challenging the sanctity of her marriage? No, obviously not. But what we had here is an old-fashioned receive-off because they were receiving each other back and forth. I receive what you're saying. What does that even mean? That means I acknowledge what you're saying. But I don't know why they just started saying receive back and forth.

It must have been said four times during this conversation. And obviously, they don't see eye to eye. Obviously, neither is actually hearing what the other is saying. They're still at an impasse, but they're still able to sit down and discuss things, which is how this works. You need to be at least able to sit down and have a conversation about what just happened. If it blows up at the end, it blows up at the end. If you want to use this in the future to be petty, go ahead and do that. That is you're right as a housewife.

Honestly, you should do that. So I love that going back and forth. Neither is really budging. It sounds really nice. Their tones of voices are very receiving and receptive, if you will. But they're not agreeing with each other at all. They're not understanding. That's okay.

I think that if they can get to a place that they get to at the end where it's like, look, if we have an issue, let's talk about it in the moment, I don't take from that. if there's an issue, we'll talk about it and we'll figure it out. I take that as if we have a problem, we're just going to call it out. It may not go well, but we're going to talk about it immediately. It leads to what we need from these two. And that's just the ability to be in the same room, to interact, to push the show forward, to help storylines. Because we saw last year and the year prior, that was our big problem, especially last year.

The rift in the entire group was just irreparable. So it wasn't fun to watch because nobody would talk to anybody. You can't have a TV show about a bunch of people that can't even be in the same room together. You have to film so many different scenes and cut them up so that it looks like they're together. It's insane. Yeah, it was just bad TV. So they're doing what they need to do early as well. Let's bridge these gaps.

I do too. Let's find a way forward. And at the end of it, Wendy's like, I don't know if we've asked these, but this is good. Yeah. Giselle's like, I don't know. We could be besties. We'll see what goes. It's looking for another Robin.

She's like, who can I help? Yeah. Who can join me and we'll be able to take on everybody together? No, don't do that. It's actually better. I'm pretty sure you're capable of standing alone and handling all this yourself. We've said it in the past. Just go ahead and go that route.

Let's see how that works out. But I do agree. I think it is smart to just do this up front. Let's get it done in the first second episode. And then we'll see what happens. And obviously at the end of this episode, there could be another fracture. And then they're right back where they were. But we at least had this conversation that we can look back on.

And it was nice. And I liked it. And they talk about the Hattitude Party some more. And Wendy does point out that it seems as though Mia's pretty upset about this whole thing. I think anybody watching can see that she's not over this. But they start to talk. I'm really curious as to when we're going to get into the ink situation. It falls under the same category as we probably shouldn't be privy to all of this.

You know, there's kids involved, there's custody, there's paternity tests. There's very serious real world. God, do I want to see G and ink in the same room? You have no idea. I want it so bad. We're all to get the mouth for this one. Yes. Like it has become my main focus on this season is this is a fucking disaster.

No, we should not be watching this. No, it shouldn't be entertaining. But God damn it, why do we watch the Housewives for shit like this? So I'm excited to see where that goes, as fucked up as that sounds. but let's keep truck and we get to Stacy we get to meet her daughter Arabella who speaks three languages

or is learning to speak three she's tri-lingual German Spanish I shit you not when I almost just said American I almost just said American what an idiot what a dumb ass

now English Spanish German which is very impressive and it was one of those scenes where it started out anytime we get a new movie with a solo scene that's family oriented. It's always kind of a flip of a coin. Sometimes

it's very entertaining. Sometimes it's interesting. Sometimes it falls flat. It started off slow. I was like, I don't really care. But when she starts talking about her home life situation, I'm like, I'm back. This is interesting. So you're very strange. You and the husband are

separated living under the same roof, but not really living under the same roof because you also have like a bachelorette pad in D.C., you got your apartment that you go to when he's home. You're not telling the daughter a lot of interesting factors here. Yeah, the not telling the daughter thing, I even had like a conscious effort to not judge in that moment. I don't think you can. I think everyone does it their own way. Everybody's going to do it their own way. I don't think there is a right way to do it. It made a lot of sense what she was saying, but it also makes a lot of sense to tell her. So I don't know how I feel

on that and you know how we do that we just move forward we just don't talk about it the only thing that i will say to the topic is i'm always curious how this stuff will reappear later in life for the child sure like will she watch this and be like wow as a 15 year old or a 16 year old like you guys were doing that you didn't fucking tell me and now it's on tv like is that not is that any different you're telling the world but you can't tell me that's where i start to overanalyze But at the end of the day, like you just said, we're just going to move on. Let's just go to move on. Let's just move past this one because it's sensitive.

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But we do find out they're both seeing people, which I think is an important thing to note, especially when we talk about it later, she's dating somebody and he's seeing people plural. I don't know what that means. She just says he's seeing people. So whatever. It's a don't ask, don't tell policy around the house, probably for the best. They seem to be coexisting and co-parenting fine, at least for now. So kadoos to them. Let's move forward. Anytime I hear seeing people, I just always think of Waterboy. You seeing anybody? Are you seeing a lot of people? Seeing a lot of guys. I've seen a lot of girls, too. You see any girls?

I've seen a lot of girls. Or, no, have you been with any girls? Yeah. I've been with a lot of girls. Been with a lot of guys, too. Last night was my mom and coach Klein at the same time. I go a totally different route. I hear seeing people, and I think, sick sense.

Oh, that's fair. Yeah. Shout out Pilly. But we get Karen and Kiarna, and they have become tight since Kiarna went to the hospital last year and just. sorry, Karen jumped into the ambulance withers. They've developed a friendship with one another, and they're talking about her boyfriend, Greg,

and her and Greg are moving in together. They're cohabitating. She wants the ring. Greg hasn't given the ring yet. Karen suggests an ultimatum, which I never agree with, like, I guess. But would you expect anything different from Karen in that situation? No, absolutely not. No, at least she stays true to form.

I'm surprised she didn't tell her to break up with him right then and there. Wait, he's suggesting that you live together before this. Just break up with him. He's not the right guy for you. Why don't you come move in with me and Ray? I can use an extra set of hands here. That would be hysterical if she had a third party live in that house. I would love cameras in there.

I do love that she at least during her confessional, I think it was her first confessional, because I don't think she had one last week. She hops in and she immediately says hi to Greg. I love you, Greg. Yeah, I love you, great. We don't get that a lot. She really likes her guy. That's so refreshing.

She's not calling him short and taking weird pictures with him. she's not talking shit like karen does about ray you know it's nice to hear love you gregg you know what we don't know you but we love you too gregg shout out gregg yeah that was way to point that out what a nice moment but she talks about the last time she lived with somebody was her fiance her late fiancee so that was really heavy so i'm curious to see gregg's involvement in the show I'm curious as to how the men in this show are going to play into it at all, because it's different than we've seen prior. Like Michael is no longer around in any capacity.

Juan Dixon, obviously, he's the fuck out of here. Thank God. Ray is always, he's there for a split second and gone. Gordon, he might be on there a lot. He might not. Is it just going to be Gordon and Inc? Is Greg getting involved? How much happy Eddie are you going to get?

Are they going to give us the right amount where it's like, okay, this. is what they're doing. Let's move on. Or are we risking too much male involvement due to the G. Inc. thing. It could be. And look, if we get a little sprinkle here and there, obviously we've just talked about how excited we are to see that. But given the track record of this show, I would not blame Bravo production. I would not blame the men that are in these women's lives for their involvement being very minimal because it has gone poorly in the past. It's not like a Jersey situation where the fans are getting upset with how much of the men are on the screen all the time. This is completely different.

So we'll just have to see where it goes. I'm okay with, you know, minimal involvement here and there. And then obviously we have to get to the G versus Greg situation or cheap or God. Don't try Greg into this. Greg got involved in this. I'm sorry. Sorry, Greg. Sorry, Greg.

That's my fault. Love you, Greg. Yeah, I love you too, Greg. I want to see Gverse Inc. That is the main thing this year. And that's the only thing I want to see. Everybody else, you know, just pop in, say hello and then, you know, on your way. Yeah, Eddie, just smile a couple times, make a little joke and get back to your business.

Yeah. But Karen says that the Hattitude Party was an Inquisition Party, and she's not happy about it. Again, you got a DUI. There's a lot of questions because of how you're behaving after your DUI. I think that's where the confusion stemming from. I don't think there were any questions. It was just the one comment about the non-alcoholic grande d'am. And then she took, like, umbrage with Jacqueline saying,

we'll just wait and see. And she's like, fuck you. But she also sat there and said, you're going to find out her your true friends are during all of this. And when it comes out, it comes out. Did Jacqueline say anything different than what you had just said? I don't think so. You sat there and said the truth is going to come out.

Jacqueline said, well, let's wait and see when the truth comes out. She's just reiterating what you said. You're the one who went after everybody and said, If you're a true friend, you're going to stick by me. Nobody asked any questions. There were no specific questions being asked. It was just one little comment by Giselle about a non-alcoholic Grandin thing. I didn't see any problem with that.

But again, we talked about this earlier. I don't know what Karen's going through right now. She's going through a lot on this show. And it's very interesting because it's every single time that she talks. It's something that I didn't expect her to say. No, it's a big, fat question mark. I don't know what's happening right now. But we get to Ashley and Stacey, and they're taking a little stroll, and this, I, I goffod at this moment.

I goffod. I had a, I guffod at this moment. That's a real thing. I was, yeah, you can look it up. It's like when you're so taking a back, you're like, well, that's a guffaw. There's a little lesson for you. Like the end of home improvements intro? Oh, yeah, kind of.

Yeah, that's actually, yeah, that's not bad. but the fact that they're talking about Stacy's man who she met at QVC when he was interviewing for a hosting gig there I guess he's a staunt Christian will not boink before marriage which you know everyone's entitled to live their life how they want that I have no issue with what I have a problem with is no heavy petting you need the heavy petting don't you know no I don't need the heavy petting this has nothing to do with the intimacy of But Ashley asked, so I was wondering if they were feeling the same life. If they're happy with their current situation, who the fuck am I to say?

My problem is, Stacey, let's Ashley know, I'm still living with my separated husband under the same roof. Ashley's response is, girl, what are you doing? I'm like, are you fucking serious? We had to hear about your shit with Michael forever. I'm still having PTSD. You just had a sit down with your lawyer about this divorce again. last episode. We're still hearing about this.

What do you mean? Where do you get off your soapbox? You're the last person on planet Earth to comment on this in any way other than, wow, I know what you're going through. I did the same thing for a long time. Meet her on that level. That's fine.

To act astounded that she's doing this was astounding to me. I was like, are you fucking kidding? There is no more prevalent of a hypocritical, this is the definition of hypocrisy okay i didn't know where the fuck i was going with that this is what if you look it up in the dictionary it's actually during this scene i could not believe it i mean you don't get to talk about this ever it's so funny though because i really do wish that she just said oh god i know exactly here you're feeling there just FYI you're never going to get past it you're

going to be like this for the rest of your life because i've been doing it for five years and there is no end in sight it's five or fifty i'm like Hey, at the very least, you're going to have a storyline that everybody hates for the next five years. So maybe do that. Yeah, they might hate you in turn because of this whole thing. So good luck, fucker. Like, that's literally the craziest moment of Ashley's career on this show. And that's saying a lot.

But the lack of self-awareness there to be like, pooh, all she had to do is like, oh, man, I know what that's like. And I don't know like, hey, yeah, like, lean into it. Make a silly joke about the fact that we're still talking about yours as you're commenting on this same situation ship over here, but whatever. They talk a little bit more about their kids and the biracial conversation, which I thought was really interesting, just sharing how they're trying to relate their children to the black community because their children aren't around as many black women as they were growing up.

So that's an interesting perspective to hear from both of them. They can share that. So it does look to me like this is going to be a friendship. I think these two are going to see eye to eye, whether it's the same. separation that's going to connect them or the kids they seem to be on the same plane so i i don't hate it because i like stacey a lot ashley drives me up a fucking wall but she is crucial for the show and she can be good and she can be relatable she just doesn't lean on that enough for me there's not enough there and we've seen her do it so many times where it seems like she can be the most

relatable person on this show especially with the fans that are watching at home and she just refuses to go into it. So hopefully maybe Stacey can lead her in a different direction or maybe just Robin not being there and the show just having a completely different feel might just lead her there. But something's got to give there. Yeah, I agree with that. But let's keep trucking.

We get to Giselle and Karen, my favorite duo, the duo I didn't see coming, which may be ruined now already. But it was nice while it lasted, I suppose. Episode and a half. Yeah, she pulls up to the house and an Uber. And this is why they're great together because they willingly throw shade. one another and they take it it's not earth shattering it's not going to ruin the friendship it's it's just part of their banter and it makes it great because they're able to take it in stride

which is like i was looking to see what you showed up in like an uber did you have a driver where's blue eyes at we're going to holler back to blue eyes which and karen again takes it like she's not up in arms about it she laughs it off she goes to a confessional even says like this is why i like giselle because she does stuff like this she's messy and i like the mess but she starts digging further into the Inquisition stuff at the Hattitude party and the non-alcoholic for Karen, which again, if my friend just got a DUI and I'm throwing a party, that to me is not a dig. Now, knowing Giselle, it was.

That's the difference here, because Karen's trying to say it is, Giselle's trying to defend it. It is defensible, but we all know that when she wrote that out, she giggled a little bit. Like, I don't matter. Because that's who Giselle is. Absolutely. And she didn't do it to be shady towards Karen necessarily, but she definitely did it to be shady in general. Just because she knows how the show works and she knows that if she gets called out for it, she'll have something to look back on, whatever it might be.

But it's well within Giselle's character to do something like that. I agree. But this is when we start getting into the Jacqueline stuff. And I was so confused. I'm still confused. Because she said, she repeated what you said, as you pointed out earlier. That's all she did. she said we'll wait and see she didn't say we'll wait and see what the judge says we'll wait and see

the verdict she said we'll wait and see what comes out which is what we're now all doing because we're all very confused it seemed pretty cut and dry like i didn't think there was a lot of wiggle room here you got your second DUI that's documented you had seven other charges along with it so i didn't realize that there was any space to be like what's going to happen from this and Karen keeps reiterating, I'm going to find out who rides for me, who's my best friend. Is a best friend or somebody that rides through somebody that's not going to question the fact that you did get a DUI that's going to just roll with the fact that you made a mistake and not press you about it at all for when you're seemingly taking, but she's taking no

accountability. And that's where I start to get upset at this whole thing. Like, yes, it's entertaining. The delusion's funny to watch. You could have killed somebody, let alone yourself. I think that there is a certain point in this where it's like, okay, can we start taking this somewhat seriously, Karen, at least cop to the fact that you fucked up. Because as of right now, based on her reactions in every conversation, getting upset of people asking questions when she's not

offering any information to make them think otherwise, not that I don't know what that info could be to make you think otherwise other than a deer jumped into my car, kicked me out of the driver's seat, and slammed it into a tree. That's what I was going to say. I think the start. our witness here and that's when the truth is going to come out is they track down that deer and they're going to have the deer take the stand. We're going to find out the truth from the deer. That's the only thing that might set her free at this point. And maybe that's what she's alluding to and she can't talk about it. We got to talk to the deer. That's a whole different take on deer stand. I sit my deer stand to go hunting. Now the deer's on

the stand. God damn it. But she's saying that Jacqueline's in timeout because of what she said. And I'm curious. I don't either. And look, we're not Jacqueline stands by any stretch of the imagination. I didn't think that we needed her back at all this year after what we saw last year, especially with Mia and going through the potential threesome that was going on there or the thruple or whatever the hell was going on over there with G. We didn't really need Jacqueline. But I don't think she did anything wrong. She just read what you said verbatim and didn't even put any stank on it. Even when they went back and showed her actually saying that. Matt, there was no tone.

She was just... None. She would say, fine. Yeah, we will wait until it happens. And Karen's like, what do you mean by that? Go ahead and take note of that. Jacqueline is a snake. I knew it.

Dear diary. She took the bait. Set it up and knocked it down. Works every time. But that's where we find out she's receiving this Fem Power Award. and once, up until this point, she is only going to go to that and then she's going to come to Giselle's event, right? Giselle takes a step further and says,

I got invited to this a month ago. She wasn't on the honorary list. So clearly somebody declined and then she got invited to honor instead, or she called them to do it herself. Who knows? Do I believe that that could have happened? Yeah, actually, I do think that she could have been. run her up in this whole thing, but whatever.

She's got her, the timing is strange, but whatever. It's irrelevant until the next morning, because at 6.30 a.m., the same day as the event, they've known about the GNA thing for a while. They've known that it's going to be partnered with the American Tumor Society, or the Brain Tumor Society, excuse me, they've known about this. They know it's in honor of Giselle's father, her late. father. So this is a big deal to her. Understandably so, by the way. Karen wakes up and says, you know what? I'm the Grand Dame. I'm going to show Giselle who the queen of this group is.

That's all this was. And that I figured that out. I mean, that was what I thought. As soon as she starts talking at her event at the confessional, she says, it looks like I'm still more popular than Giselle. It's like, you really did that just like I love it. Like we talked about early on, the petty level. fucking great there are heavier ramifications because of what the one event was for but at the same time you literally went to do a popularity contest so you send a text morning of 630 a m hey everybody not only can you go to both but i have scheduled transportation for you to make this easy yep we can support everybody no this is a huge fuck you to joselle joselle responds and goes everyone go to Cairns. Don't bother. Don't be running around town, which is her way of saying,

fuck you, Karen. But having these two, if this is what it is all season where it's contentious, but I need them to be able to come back from this quickly. I need them to be on that same level that we've seen of friendly but shady. That's their new podcast. Friendly but shady. I do agree with that And I do think that the way that this split could happen, and not that we ever root for splits on any of this, but for our sake, rather, let's hope that this is over in a couple of episodes. But somebody like Karen can still command the presence, can still command a team, even if she does something that's very shitty like this could potentially be. So she's still going to have people in her corner just because of who she is. Jaze will get the logical people that are like, oh, yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. Karen definitely just stole your thunder just so she could do it.

Obviously, that's fucked up. Everybody acknowledges that and they still go to Karen's thing. I know. And they said, look, maybe it's just having the benefit of hindsight after everything happened. But if the car's not going to pick you up until 630 or whatever time it was, you got to imagine that you're not going to have a lot of time at either event. So why are you doing it anymore?

And they still all went to Karen's, which is funny. It's just really funny that they're not even thinking about any of this. They're wondering when they might get there. They start putting it together as they're pulling up to Cairns. It's hilarious. And the best part is- 30 minutes with D.C. traffic. With D.C. traffic.

So, yeah, you're pretty much screwed. But the funny part is when she's sitting there with Giselle going over this, she knows what time the event is. And she still says, yeah, yeah, it's a luncheon. Sure. Yeah, it's probably a luncheon. Whatever. Not a big deal.

It's tomorrow. And you're going to text everybody in the morning, which means you probably already booked the car. You probably already booked the sprinter van. So you know exactly what time it is, but you're still going to lead on that it's not going to conflict with Giselle's thing. And that you're also going to go to both events. You never.

Yeah, what? Going to either event. You were just going to your honorary thing. You weren't going to Giselle's event. It's funny. It's calculated and it was great. And it's exactly what the show needs. I agree.

But we get to the GNA event the next day, or I guess later in that day. But I had no idea. And I don't know if they shared it last year. and I missed it because I didn't watch as intently as we normally do. Giselle's father was diagnosed with a brain tumor and he passed away 12 days later. Yeah. That sucks. That's so sad.

Like, and the fact that she is as strong and composed discussing it when it was only 10 months ago, she's able to talk about it. And we've always known that you can say what you want about Giselle. She's tough as shit. Like she always has been. She doesn't get rattled about a lot. Yeah. And she's a great family.

First. We love her family scenes, even when we hated her over the past couple seasons. We've still given her props in that regard. And she is. She's tough. And to see her this composed, I thought it was really impressive. And I just, I wanted to shout that out just because that's, I couldn't believe it when she said that. I was like, holy shit. Could you imagine? Like, I don't know how it would function. And here she is putting on an event in his name and is completely dry-eyed and very powerful. So I thought that was a cool thing. But, Summer's here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days, delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by, almost?

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I don't need to see anybody they went there there's no way they're going to be here within time for this it ends at nine Karen's things not till eight essentially because they all show up at what 730 and they're out of there by like 745 to try to get to the other party before 8

whatever the fucking time frame was Karen hadn't even gotten her award yet and it also Also, here's the funniest part to me as I'm looking at the two venues. The G&A event is this gorgeous, open, natural light, like really cool venue. This Femm Award, Fem Power Award, I'm not taking away from the award because I have no idea what it's about or what it is, is in like a conference room at a hotel. Yeah. No, it fully is.

And I love that that's what we have to set it up with. And I love that Giselle's reaction immediately is still on the same shit that she was on earlier in the morning. you see that text and you say fuck no you know what don't come and a true friends might look at that and say well we already committed to going to jazelle and ashley's thing we should just go to that that would be the correct response to see and the people that came in during all of that were people that she immediately embraced people who she immediately hugged and said thank you so much for coming and she's grateful that they showed up not these other people coming in at eight o'clock no no no no Ashley I love that Ashley is trying to be the the middleman here saying it's her event too though i keep forgetting that it was even her event she's part of this she's she's nobody on this she never does though like she's so whatever when it comes to that kind of stuff she's like yeah do what you got to do yeah you know what guys uh if you can get here by eight well maybe like 830 well it's over at 830 so no we're not going to do that eight o'clock you guys should be okay they're not going to be okay absolutely not because jazelle's not having it and

Ashley brings up a good point. The way that Karen talks about the impact of her own parents dying and what that's done to her, her mental well-being, she equates some of that to the reason she got another DUI, which is pretty heavy. And I'm not here to say how it affected her, but she puts so much stock in the passing of her own parents and what that did to her psyche. So that's where it starts to get a little bit further into, yeah, it's fun. but you would think of all people understanding the importance of an event in Giselle's father's

name when he passed so recently, if anybody could relate to that, it would be Karen. So even with the shade, and maybe this points further to the mental state that Karen's in right now, that she is not thinking about other people, that she isn't capable of looking at her own situation and being like, wow, maybe at the very least, before I continue my vendetta, against the, I guess, deep state. I don't know who's going up against her right now. I'm not really sure. I love the idea that Karen's just deep into conspiracy theories now.

And she's just a part of it. That would be awesome. That would be such a good twist. But you could argue that's what's going on because I don't know what's going on. But it just shows you the fact that she's not able to recognize the importance of this event for Giselle, that I don't think she's thinking through anything at the moment. I think she's so self-serving, self-centered, trying to get through this DUI without being the bad guy, which again is strange, that she's not thinking about that stuff,

which entertaining for TV? Absolutely. Could it be the nail in the coffin of Giselle and Karen's friendship, potentially? And that would suck because these two are great together. I don't want to see that go away, especially this early on. I don't know if it will, and I'll just say this. Giselle has always had a knack for understanding how the game is played, understanding how these shows work.

That's true. And look, I mean, Karen's going to stand her ground no matter what. She's probably not going to budge. I don't see Karen having a real come-to-Jesus moment later this season. No shot. That I've spurned people because of my actions or the ways that I was going about my business did not sit well with you guys. And I'm sorry for that.

I don't see her doing any of that ever. But I do see Giselle understanding how this works. and if she can just play it up like that, let it go for a couple episodes. Let's butt some heads for a little while, and then we'll see how it works at the end. Giselle will come through at some point because she understands for the betterment of the show.

It is really good that they're friends. It might be really entertaining for them to go back and forth and bicker, but it's going to be a lot better once they can resolve that because then we can move on. So I have more faith in Giselle than that. I agree. I think that's a really good point that she, of all people will be able to separate

I don't know what you separate church and state and who the fuck sure yeah whatever you want to say I just wanted to stay with that theme of conspiracies but yeah whatever I don't know I think it'll be interesting to watch play out that's the saving grace of it is the fact that Giselle does know how the game's played and is constantly playing the game so she might lean into it

and just accept it for what it is and know that this season could hinge on that relationship that being the focal point of this season thus far has been extremely entertaining so hopefully that maintains i agree with you i i'm confident all right yeah it's been going well it's been going well for two episodes i'm not going to immediately start saying that everything's burning down yeah and they do talk to jacquelin at the gna event and just let her know she's on karen shit list and she's not all that yeah she didn't get she's like i don't know i'm not in the group chat And then Giselle's like, well, you know, you said we're going to wait and see.

She's like, we are. We are. We all are. Yeah, we don't know what's going on with this whole thing. It's very strange. So you know what? Fuck it. And if Jacqueline, I think that she had a rough go because of the situation she was put in by Mia,

by that weird thruple, threesome, that whole bizarre storyline that I don't even know if that's true. I think that she got kind of fucked right out of the gate. So I think I am not optimistic about her story arc, but I am willing to give her some grace and see what she can do, especially because she's now been pulled into it. How she responds to the Karen stuff

is going to be very telling. She doesn't need to get amped up and go after Karen. If she plays petty and shady with it and maybe teams up with Jaze or Ashley or something like that, that could be a lot of fun. What I don't want to see is a return to Mia where it's those two and this kind of weird one-sided friendship. Yeah, it's a really one-sided friendship, but we also know how Mia plays that and she'll just throw her to the wolves, whatever she has to, to make sure that she's okay.

So hopefully she learned her lesson from last year and she does align herself with somebody like Giselle or Ashley or whoever, where she actually is a little bit safer and she can start to play the game. That should be what her focus is. So hopefully she sticks to that. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. But three of the Karen goers show up at the very end. Like, they get there at what, eight? They say it's eight. They get there at like eight o'clock, supposedly.

So they have an hour to kill at the party. But the minute Giselle sees them, she's like, nope. And not only does she give them the boot, she calls security on them. William, come here. It might be the first time that I've seen a housewife call security on a group of housewives to get them. It was so good. I fucking love it. I've never expected to see that.

And I love that she did that. And you can see the poor security guards like, what? These, these three? We're in front of them? Get out. All right, fine. Go. There's the door.

Bye. Like, it was such a over the top reaction. And I thought it was great. Why is there security there to begin with? Maybe just for a situation like this. Maybe Giselle called security security that morning and said, you know what? If they try to show up after seven, 30, they're out.

I would love if she set it up in advance just to do that. That would be, and I wouldn't put it past her. And if she did, that's an all-time move. And I want security at every event, even if it's at a housewife's house, I want there to be security across all shows just so there's always the option of, William, get rid of them. Security kicks housewives out. We need that, actually.

We need that more often. I think that would be a great play. But why don't we get to some questions? Oh, I like this from Annie K. Richard 2020. Would you have gone to G&A or Karen's last minute event? Assuming that we were part of the group and we were invited to GNA first and confirmed. GNA. We wouldn't even hesitate.

We would probably both have texted back, hey, we're already going to this. We were invited like a month ago. I'm not changing my plans the day of. What do you nuts? You think I'm going to go sit in traffic on a fucking bus? No, I'm going to this and going home. Yeah. Ooh, this is fun from Christy Jedlicky.

What would your DJ name be? Me, yours is easy. DJ Shooter Magouter. Yeah. Let's go something better. DJ Scoots. DJ Scoots. That sounds like uptempo.

What do you? House music? Up tempo house music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mix in some oldies with it.

Where are you? Do you. Mine would be. DJ Steel Force That doesn't sound That sounds like not a fun party I don't think I'd go see that guy DJ Steel Force sounds

That's too heavy Yeah That's not my five either Um DJ DJ did you know I played professional baseball DJ minor leagues Yeah that's the best I got There you go

Uh Wait I got one here Oh no No, I got it. DJ Hot Wheels. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. Throwback. You were Hot Wheels on my phone for a long time.

Mary had a little asked, how is Ashley the reasonable one this season? No idea. Pump the brakes. Let's pump the break for a second. I know we're making a lot of, maybe not for this show, but typically for other shows. We make a lot of grand predictions for how the season's going to go. We're going to pump the brakes on Potomac just because of how messy it's been the last couple of years.

Ashley's got a lot of time to make back up. Yeah, I don't, look, we see glimpses of this, all right? This is not new. She has moments of clarity and then she'll say something dumb, like, why are you still living with your separated husband? That doesn't make sense. And you're like, well, look in the mirror, lady. Let's do one more.

Most of these are which event would you go to, which is valid question. From Mrs. Sam Davy does Potomac need to be put on pause? Absolutely not. They're doing what they haven't done for two years. Pause them last year. Not now. They're starting to do better. If they weren't going to pause them last year, then no, they definitely don't need to this year.

I don't know what the ratings are. I haven't seen this pop up yet, but it's enjoyable. Let's just. It's enjoyable. And even if the ratings aren't there yet, that's because of the dismal previous seasons. It hopefully will catch up if it continues to be good and people continue to talk about it. But if you think that this is a plausible show at the moment, there is much worse material on Bravo right now than what we're currently watching. So, no, this is not a possible show.

Hopefully it continues that way, and they get back to where they were. They got a long way to go. But for the first time in a very long time, I can say one of our favorite phrases, I'm cautiously optimistic. And I have not been about Potomac for a very long time. And the caution is to be lifted as this continues. If we keep going down this path, that caution is going to start sliding away. We're going to start reeling in that caution tape, baby.

Clean up that crime scene. We're done. Oh, yeah. Anyway, you got anything else? No. Nope. Rob Rose are out of here. Calling all book lovers.

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