Bros & Shows - Karma's a Bitch (RHOAs15ep12 full recap, RHONYs14ep03 full recap)

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

Welcome back Bro's! This week we dive into RHOA as the season is nearing the end. But first we have some news to cover, RHONY Legacy is all systems go as Bravo announces they have pushed it up due to the issues surrounding Brandi Glanville... Lenny Hochstein is one of the worst humans on TV with a stupid proposal while wearing the corniest shoes on the market. In Atlanta, the ladies are on the last day of their Portugal trip and it has been less than healing. Drew is still attempting to defend herself against the alleged make out between her and Latoya. Marlo and Monyetta are part of the film crew now as they filmed Drew on the side talking smack about Latoya. Things between Kenya and Courtney are continuing to heat up but Courtney seems justified in her actions. Oh, and by a miracle apparently, Kenya is still able to walk after that terrible, terrible fall... All is saved by a sound bath except that only keeps the peace for all of an hour before things escalate again. Then we're back with RHONY and we're beginning to see some drama amongst the group. Jenna left the party early to go stay in her own Hampton house and that didn't sit well with the other ladies. Then, Jessel insults both Jenna and Erin because of her inability to read the room. She complains about every single thing in Erin's home after talking trash all night about Jenna's lingerie gift. The girls get a workout in and Brynn and Ubah are quite taken by the trainer. We get to learn more about Sai's past and what she's had to overcome to get to where she is today. Brynn feels that there is a double standard and that she was dragged for missing dinner but Jenna got off the hook relatively easily. Overall we are enjoying this reboot and ask our listeners who aren't watching to at least give it a shot! Time Stamps: Bravo News (6:23) Rose and Thorn (16:37) RHOA (22:58) RHONY (45:45) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody.

For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host. Steel Russell, joined us. as always, by the one and only, Skeeter McGeeter. What's up, Skeeter McGeeter? Every time somebody says Skeeter, I think, about Doug Funny. I had a pretty uneventful week. I mean, I'm tired. I'm going away this weekend.

You had a very eventful early week. Yeah. Saving a dog. Yeah. Tell us about that, steel. Okay. On the road was a dog. It was like a little maybe 10 pound dog, one very big.

Okay. And I get out of the car, and I think it's just, like somebody's dog that has wandered into the street. When I find the dog, when I get close to the dog, the first thing I notice is the smell. And this poor dog has clearly not been groomed in over a year. It's too small to be a stray. It's not like, you know, you see a stray like roaming around.

You're like, oh, it's a stray dog. This is somebody's dog. I've never seen a stray dog running around. Oh, no? Ever. Well, I have. The Texas thing? Maybe.

Okay. But then you got to be careful because it might be a coyote. Yeah, that's a good point. But so I see this dog and I noticed that it was so, it was so sad. Like the ears were completely caked over with earwax to the point that the dog could barely hear. It had a cut on its head. It was disheveled. It had been so neglected and mistreated.

So it was also as hot as balls. It was like 95 degrees. It was on the blacktop. It was panting so hard and like stumbling around. It looked like it was about to die. So I grabbed the towel out of my truck and scooped it up. FaceTime Dev. And I'm like, hey, I don't know what to do.

I got this dog. I'm coming up to that. It was like three houses down. Like, it wasn't far away. Yeah. So I get back to my house and we are calling everybody I know. Like literally, like anybody that has any experience with dogs or rescuing animals, what I have learned, it is not easy to rescue a dog. Right.

At all. So we end up going to the Plymouth Animal Hospital, which if you're in the area and you need a vet, do not go to this place. Okay. I am telling you not to go to. It was going to be a good plug. It's a bad plug. Terrible plug. The vet was disinterested.

He honestly was leaning towards, like, just put this animal down. Yeah, we call this a butt plug. Yeah. But plug, which means it's a negative plug. But it was a terrible experience there, but it turned out that the dog was chipped. The owner didn't even take the time to register the chip, so the dog was unaccounted for, which was actually a positive thing because it let us legally be allowed to take care of the dog. So now the vet gives the dog.

dog all at shots, it gets it at B-Wormer, and luckily, Dev's cousin works with an organization. So because of that, she hooked it all up with an animal hospital in the area. We took the dog there to get actual treatment to try to recover. I mean, it's a very long road to recovery. It's been years, maybe over two years that this dog has been groomed. Like, its nails wrapped around its paws. It was the saddest thing I've ever seen. It was so sweet.

Like, it let that kind of just do whatever it had to do. It was not fighting at all. It also didn't have any energy to fight. It was one of the saddest, most, like, heartbreaking things that I have ever experienced. I felt so bad for this dog. But we got it the care it needed. It's in the hospital recovering right now. So hopefully it bounces back.

It's an elderly dog. It's got a long road to recovery. So we named it Riba. So everyone's sacred prayers for Riba. She is fighting for her life because of some horrible, horrible dog owner. She's in peace for Riba. P's and P's for Reeve, but that, yeah, that was my week. Let's go on a lighter note here.

Barbenheimer is back, all right? We had the live show last week, so we got a little distracted, but we did get a couple of applications. And, I mean, I'm going away this weekend, but after that, I think we're on, fully on, all in, because I need to see these fucking movies. I need to, I can't. Yeah, I need to remind our audience. If you are listening and you want to partake in the Barbenheimer, there's been some very, very good applications. There's been actual PDF files that have been made. Oh, yeah.

There was a full PDF file resume, which was awesome. That one's at the top for me. And again, I get to pick three, and then Shooter gets to pick out of those three. Anybody can apply. Gender does not matter. Apply, but I need you to, one, say why you want to see the Barbenheimer double premiere. Two, what gift are you going to bring, Shooter? And three, why do you deserve to go?

Is that it? I think that was pretty much. That's the gist. We got some applications from all over the place. shout out Australia I would love to go to Australia to go see Barmanheimer just can't swing it

but I appreciate it you can still send your applications in but if you are in a different location you have to intro the entire thing with I'm not in the area because it is an important distinction so I think honestly the furthest I'm willing to travel on this one

is I don't know should I be nice about it in like a couple of states here or there you're going to drive a cut no certainly not going to drive anywhere I'm going to fly. Driving for shit. Unless it's like a really cool air, if someone's in like L.A. That would might be a cool trip.

Fuck L.A. That's a long trip. L.A. sucks, too. Yeah. No, you know, you have to come here. You have to come to shoot her. Oh, that was the whole thing because Oppenheimer with the IMAX. A wrecked IMAX.

Yeah, okay. It has to be King of Prussia. So if you can't make it to King of Prussia, just intro it with that. We'll still read it because these applications are absolute gold. Yeah. I'm actually going to, tomorrow morning, I, I, I, I, I, I have real work. I have a meeting after my meeting I'm gonna start responding to a couple

just let you know let you guys know that we're reading them and that you're in the running respond let you know that you're in the running we appreciate the application it'll be nicer than when you apply for a job because you know there's like Jerry like generic bullshit

like Jerry you I was going to say geriatric which is also geriatric because it's probably an old white man reading this anyway so anyway let's yeah so I'll respond to a couple tomorrow and you know

just let you know you're on the running but that takes us to the news of the week and we have one that I can't wait to get to because it got a lot of traction on our socials and for good reason but we're going to start out with a bond that you drop when you walked into my house I had no idea that apparently they're postponing the ultimate girl's trip involving Caroline Manzo and Brandy Glanville due to legal reasons they're still trying to get that whole thing sorted out so they pushed Roney legacy to the front so we get to see the ladies of Roney come back to the screen. Now, I have one question. Do you think the return of the original cast

while Roney the reboot is currently airing? Well, it won't be currently airing. So it's not, it doesn't drop until December. Okay. All right, because that was my only concern. Yeah. Current Roney will be far done by then. Uh, and then the plan is supposedly that they're going to air the Morocco one, which is the one with, uh, Caroline and Brandy at some point in 2024. Details unclear. They pushed it all the way to. Yeah, they pushed it to, yeah, but. Barring Bethany Frankl's Union Strike. But this is honestly, my first reaction was this is a huge, huge year for Sonia and Luann. They're making the waves, man. And like, you know what? Rightfully so. Crappy Lake is a hit. I love Crappy Lake. It's the perfect like little snack in between the

housewife shows. So I can't tell if it's honestly because I mean, we see a lot of this, especially with the new Roney on where people are just not watching because they refuse to accept new people into their lives, which is the dumbest thing in the world. But I wonder if it was newer housewives, if they threw them on something like this if it would get as much if it was exactly the same show and it was fun if they would get this much at least love i don't want to say traction or views i just want to say love because everything across the board is a resounding yes for crappy lake what's really funny is i firmly believe that because of the anti rony reboot people the people that weren't even watching the last season of the old cast the people that gave up on it but are still dying on

this hill of bring back the o gs i think rony legacy is going to get massive numbers just because of those kinds of people, where they're like, oh, we're watching the OGs, we're supporting our cast. Yeah, and I'm okay with that because I am too. That's exactly the role that we want them in. That's what we talk about. You want people to kind of ride off into the sunset. Give them this one last show.

Let them have a nice fun trip. Give us six episodes, not 10. Please not 10. Just six episodes. Give us a couple episodes here and there. We'll enjoy it. And then that's it. And we're good and we're done.

Can I emphasize that? That's it. Yes. I do not need. I'm okay with Sonia and Luan going to a different crappy lake. Absolutely. 100%. What I don't want is for petitions to start for bringing back the OG Castoroni.

This is a one and done. They deserve it. They've earned it. Let them ride off with some respect. Have a really good last hurrah. Bring them back for a couple of ultimate girls trip along the way. Some more crappy lakes with Sony and Luan for sure. But let's not get crazy with this.

Yeah. I mean, I actually couldn't be more ecstatic about the Morocco. trip thing getting pushed back though. I don't want to watch that. I did not care about any of that. At least Roney Legacy has some substance to it and people are going to be excited about it. I hope it's good. And that's the thing.

When we talk about how much we like the new Roney, it doesn't mean that we dislike it. We just know that it's time for them to move on. We appreciate what they did. We respect it. We want to give them one last hurrah. It's going to be fun. Obviously, we're going to see these women on different shows popping up here and there. But I don't want them as a mainstay character.

I don't want all of them together in New York. That's what fell apart in the first. So let them go off, and we're good. No shade thrown their way. Well said. Shoots, well said. Moving on from that, we got the return of Roslick. Happy birthday to me, September 5th, which reminds me, remember the James Winston interview

after he won the national championship? I remember a lot of James Winston interviews, but not that one. They're all imprinted in my head because I think they're the greatest interviews ever. But the report, I think it was Aaron Andrews, was like, how do you feel it's your birthday? You won the national champion? he goes, it's the greatest, happy birthday, and he just walked away. That was it. That was the whole interview.

I actually a pretty good interview for James, honestly. It's just, I love his interviews, but I need to ask, with Roslick's return, do you think it has the legs to stand on without Jen Shaw? I don't think so, honestly. I think that, yeah. I mean, we saw how that looked last year with, even with Jen in the picture, it was. It was a tough year. It was a tough year.

That guy taking stage. And it's really funny because a lot of these shows, at least in like the year that we've been doing this, they've been dragging on. And as of late, everything's been pretty good. I've enjoyed the show's recent. But everything else has been pretty good. And I remember Beverly Hills stinking, but I'm excited for Beverly Hills to come back. I remember Jersey, even though Jersey was just on the air.

I remember us being over everything. I'm still going to be excited for Jersey to come back next. because I want to see what it looks like. Salt Lake City's not bad. It was boring and it stuck with me and I was really annoyed by it and I'm not excited for her to come back within a month. You know why? I think I know why.

Why? Starpower? I mean, yeah. Partly have it. Honestly, partly. I think a big part of it because I love Lisa Barlow. I think she's really entertaining. Meredith, for what it's worth. Look, she's funny at times.

I get why she's on the screen. The overproduction and the overpushing of that. stupid black eye and making that the center point of the season when you had a layup with Jen Shaw and her case was just banana land. That was, I don't even blame the cast. That is just a production fumble. Bavo just fumbled the bag. They had it. I mean, that's the easiest win. I think it would make a lot more sense if last season was purely about the Jen Shaw thing. Yes. And then we expected, okay, let's see what this looks like. We'll give them a season

to kind of figure it out. And if this season sucked, we would still give them a little grace and say, all right, maybe they figured it out and they had a bad season. They'll come back to next season. That's sports analogies. But this is different. When you had that layup there and you leaned into a dumb storyline that nobody cared about and we didn't even get any specifics on. We still don't know what the fuck happens.

And we don't care anymore. It's over. You fumbled the bag during a good pivotal season. We just watched what happened with Scandival. You could have done that with Jen Shaw and spilled these details and had everybody turn on her. Instead, you just leaned into this dumb storyline. you had your chance if this season's not good

and it doesn't start off good we're gonna tune out I'm not you and I I just mean like in general just in general the audience although maybe you and I firmly agree and you know

we'll obviously give it a fair shake Salt Lake was one of my favorites yeah remember how excited I was for you to watch it it was your first like go around with it I'd been there since season one I was stoked and then it just like oof it tanked hard so

I'm holding out hope that they can bring it back to what it used to be when it started out It was entertaining. It was fun. I like the cast. I'm curious if we're going to get a Jen Shaw appearance from prison. I don't put anything past Bravo anymore, but we'll see.

We'll see. It's September 5th, which is my birthday. Happy birthday to me. But we'll see if it's a good birthday present. And the last thing, we need to call attention to it. Like I said, got a lot of traction on the socials. I woke up in Wildwood. We had a lovely weekend.

Me, Dev, my daughter. It was awesome. We did the boardwalk. We did the beach. It was exactly what we needed. And then I have to wake up and see this stupid fucking video of Len Hoxstein proposing to the mistress on a cliffside wearing the dumbest fucking shoes. I have seen. You don't figure out what sneakers they are?

No. They're, like, somebody left a comment about the shoes on his actual post and, like, these are the dumbest shoes I've ever seen in my life. He's like, these shoes are worth more than your life. Doesn't matter. Love guys like that. Yeah, exactly. I love dudes like that. Well, that's why I keep posting and I keep pushing hashtag micro-lend because I think this guy is the smallest penis on the planet.

Like if you have to say stuff like that, these shoes cost more than you make in a year, that means your dick is about one centimeter long, one centimeter wide. It's a micro. He's a micro. He's got a square little, he's got a square micro penis, and I want people to know that. But seriously, like watching that video gave me way too much outrage. I'm sitting there, like, trying to enjoy my coffee in the morning. I'm like, who is this guy? Who do you think you are?

You're not even divorced yet, right? You're a scumbag. We watched you on the screen all season last year. Just be a fucking loser. Nothing about you screams. Like, this is what bugs me, okay? He's a fucking plastic surgeon. The way he walks around, you think he won the Nobel Prize in medicine.

This guy's not special. You're a run-of-the-mill plastic surgeons. Plastic surgeons in Miami do feel that way. But I don't understand it. I really don't know. You live in a fortress that makes you look like a dream. drug dealer. You are trying to kick your wife and kids out of the house so you and your mistress, who's 21 years old, can move in there and get married. She's still married, too.

This whole thing stinks. Did you see his mom's comment? Yes, and now she's on the payroll. I think she, I think that Lenny Cash out. We knew that was going to happen, though, after we watched last season, yeah. But here's my issue with that, honestly. The kids can see that. Also, why is Salt Lake coming back before Miami? Bring Miami back first. Bring Miami back first. And God, good run going. Put Miami out there on Bravo, flip Salt Lake over to Peacock, put OC somewhere of the dumpster somewhere, and we're good. And kick Lenny off that goddamn cliff with the shoes and the socks. Did you see the socks? No. And this is my, here's my big problem is somebody commented on ours. Like, it looks like he's about to go outside and like flip a burger. Don't disrespect

dads like that. No. If the dad look, the dad look is one thing. The Lenny Hocksteen I would have respected it if he had like new balances on with some hoop socks. People were saying, At least they're not new balances. And I said, don't disrespect new balances. No, new balances are good, especially if they got that, like, little light green tinge from the lawn. That's perfect. At least there are... Some oils from the burrs that you're flipping, yeah.

They're practical. Makes sense to me. What he was wearing made him look like a 16-year-old skateboard kid that thinks he's cool and up with the times. You're not, buddy. It's giving Steve Bouchemi, what's up, fellow cool kids? Yeah, pretty much. That's it. I'm done with Lenny.

I think he's the fucking worst. But that takes us to Rosenthorne. and I have two really good ones, so I'm going to let you start. Okay, fair enough. I'm going to start off with my rose here because my thorn's going to be maybe a little bit of a tangent.

This is actually, even though it ended pretty roughly, it was a good reminder. Okay, like that. This comes from Al, OWL, that hurt. And she said, hey, bro, pros. Wait, wait, wait. I have a complaint. Owl. Owl.

You said owl. well I whatever owl I get it it's a pun an owl that hurt owl whatever shut on like an owl like who who that hurt is it hoot or who hooters

you see that meme whatever just read anyway hey bravros I have a complaint you always like to say go birds and I don't hear enough go fills it's a path to another red October and Wawa is doing Schwabby season

so I like to support the fills and then she ended it with I know you're gross Eagles fans which I'm not even going to to get into that. I hate that comment. Yeah. I hate that comment.

We haven't said go Phil's in a while. We haven't said Go Phil's in a while. Good reminder there, but at the same time, we also wear Phillies gear on here frequently. We do. We are so mad about this comment. It's a nice reminder to say go Phil's sometimes. Go fills. But here's my thing.

We have a text chain where like we literally talk. I think every day we are, we all watch me shoots in our buddy George, all watch most Phillies games and text about them every day. Honestly, if you're watching on YouTube and you ever have a couple of people have complained why his shooter looking in his watch so much. He checks the scores. A lot of times I'm checking the scores. Yeah, no, and then he tells me.

Yeah, no, that's cool. But I don't know. I have mixed feelings. I'm okay with that. I thought it was a good reminder, and go Phil's. I don't need it. It's patronizing, and I don't care for it. Whatever.

And my thorn is, I am not even going to read the comments out loud. But you know fucking who who commented on our video. Oh, that's my double rose, baby. Double rose for you, double thorn for me.

Double rose. This person commented not once. twice but twice rattled much in a couple of hours rattled much tamara amara are you rattled a little bit tic talk you don't want this you don't want this smoke tell us that you weren't even friends with jenn last year and you definitely didn't bring her on the show not to mention she didn't even comment on the fact that we said that she threw her under the bus that's no oh let me here we go yeah steel will read the actual couple and this is more of a thorn because the other one I can at least throw some respect to. So my thorn is from Tamara Judge herself. And she commented,

I did not bring up the cheating. Jita did. My advice to her was to be honest. Why? Two, if you guys knew what you were talking about, you know you. Two, if you guys knew what you were talking about, you would know I did not bring Jen on the show. And I was not close with her a year prior to filming. That doesn't add up, Tamara, because the way you talk on the show is that you to have been close for years that you used to hang out at the gym, that you were a part of her meeting Ryan. Now you're changing your story up. Tamara, what happened? You don't come to our world, to our realm and lie to us. I think the funniest part about this whole thing, every single comment was in support of us saying, fuck OC, get it off the TV. It's just every

single, I had to go through because I wanted to make sure that there was, I was looking for a couple of thorns in there. Obviously, I found hers. Every single comment was in support of what we we were talking about when we said, this show stinks, Tamara's trying too hard, she's clearly lying, she sucks, she's a terrible friend, get them all off the screen, I don't care anymore. Every single comment was in support of us, and then you get Tamara the one-two combo. The one-two punch, and the crazy thing is, we're watching this, dude. We're watching you lie on TV, and then you lied in our comments. You are the one that said that you two were friends prior. Yep. So why are you lying? It just doesn't make sense. You can't just, this is what

our whole rant was about. You cannot make baseless claims and lie. That's just not how this works. There is evidence. There's facts. There's people watching. There's cameras everywhere. What are you doing? But that takes me to my rose. And here's why this is a rose. And I give respect here. This is from Bethany Frankel. And we posted a video about her. And I want to clear something up. People kept throwing the word misogyny around a misogynist and all that. We had no issue with the fact that it was a woman eating crab legs. We believe anybody should eat whatever the fuck they want. whenever they want. That has nothing to do with it. I don't want to watch anybody eat, period. I definitely don't want to watch any human being eat crab legs on TikTok. Nobody.

It has nothing to do with gender roles. And the second part of that is, of course, she's allowed to voice her opinion. We're not saying that. The people that took that dead serious, people like, you want to pause her account? It's like, do you think we have the power to do that? No. We're making a joke. It's satire. We're saying someone pauses this woman's account. I don't want to see her eat crab legs, meaning we don't want to see anybody eat crab legs. Do you? Honestly, like, do you our audience want to watch a person? Do you want to watch me and shoot or eat crab legs? I don't want to watch anybody eat anything that close to the screen.

That's it. That's the thing. That's all we were saying. You could find a top three list of things that are okay to eat on film, which we talk about that all the time. Corn dog? Yeah, lobster corn dog, number one. But she was so goddamn close to the camera.

She was up there and she had the lights off and she had this light shining in her face probably from the laptop or from her phone or whatever. And she's sucking down crab legs. I just don't want to see it. That's all. We're here it. It was not that deep. But here is Bethany Frankel's response.

Thanks for talking about it. And yep, you're keeping me relevant. And just watch me. Plus, you seem to be listening closely. XO. for watching.

I got to throw some respect. Look, say what you want. She got the response. She got us talking about her. She got a lot of views on our video as well of us talking. Yeah. The fact that she leans into it and the fact that she's like,

yeah, you're keeping me relevant. Good sport. Good sport. We respect. That, yeah, no shade there. Honestly, I thought that was actually a good comment. Look, this is how it works, too.

If you lean into it and you say something like that, we leave it alone. 100%. Bethany Frankel, you are free and clear. We get it. You leaned into it. You understand. You're staying relevant. And it worked.

So, hey. Just please, love God. Stop eating crab lights that close. And if I see a lobster tail or something next week, I swear to God. And that's a PSA to everybody. Just don't eat crab or anything in front of the camera that closely. People don't want to see people eat, period. Hey, Michael.

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Miraculously, thank God. Kenya can walk. You know, we was... She was almost paralyzed. She was close there for a minute. She slipped and fell, and everybody saw it. She was like two inches away from being paralyzed forever, but she can walk, but they're recapping the night and the Latoya talk. Now, as we find out later, the info's a little messy.

We're not entirely sure Kenya claims that she saw them kiss. We don't know that for sure because there's other claims, but the claim from Drew is the one that says, well, Kenya wasn't even there. I don't trust Drew on this one. I don't, the problem is that it's the unstoppable force meets the immovable object. Oh, wow. I don't believe either of them.

That's a good point. Really, anytime, especially, drew in this situation just how heated she was getting. I certainly don't believe her because nobody gets that heated when you're I get you're trying to defend something that happened but she got absurdly heated and mad at

everyone, even her best friends. You could have just let it roll off your back and just move on. Kenya, I just pretty much never believe she always inserts herself like she was I'm not, look, I'm not making a joke here, but she probably did something and had to get wheeled away in a stretcher that we can do. Like

she was probably missing an action or she had to go to bed unreasonably early because she had to get up the next day. Whatever happened. She was probably not there. The only person in this situation, the entire situation that I believe is Candy. I believe Candy. Because I just don't see Candy lying. I mean, maybe like here or there, whatever.

But in the face of these other women, I just don't ever see her lying. She always stands up for what she saw. She always stands up for what she said. And she doesn't, she never falls back on it. Like she's always steadfast in her beliefs. For better or for worse. Yeah. So I agree with you.

I think Candy is the voice of reason here. And again, we are newer to this franchise, but we're almost one season in. And we do understand the dynamics of the group better, especially than we did at the beginning of the season. And yeah, it does seem that Candy is not one to just throw random accusations out there. And this one, she seems very confident about. So I'm leaning towards, yeah, it did happen. But moving back to this scene, we find out that Marlowe took a video of the entire fight, Senate to Latoya.

And then Latoya sent it to Drew. So now we have Marlowe being sneaky behind the scenes. There was a comment made later from Minneta. And this one I had to write down because it's interesting. She said the cameras were down, so I started filming because that's when the reel comes out. That's breaking the fourth wall. And that's saying, like, yeah, when we're on camera, we're not giving you the full truth. And I thought that was an interesting distinction.

And then we get the side view of the actual camera, or sorry, the camera phone. and Marlow taping the whole thing. Do you think that was shady behavior? I, look, if we're just taking everybody at their word, it's more shady for Marlowe to do that because she's sending it to Latoya. Right. But this is kind of where it gets a little murky

because we don't really understand the whole backlog of everything that's going on. If Marlowe is close to Latoya and you're sitting there talking about this whole thing, I don't really see a problem with that. You've got Latoya's name in your mouth and you're really running this thing up and running this thing up, maybe.

I appreciate that if it wasn't coming from Marlowe. Why leave Marlowe out of this? You are such a weird... I don't understand it. I don't get it. Whatever. The issue that I have is the video. If she was texting Latoya, it would be different for me.

She's texting Latoya just saying, hey, we're arguing about this. Drew is stuck in the ground right now saying that you guys did not make out. We're having a huge issue with this whole thing. Can you clear it up? If she's close with Latoya, And she wants to reach out to her and say that. Sure.

That's not what she said. I know. I'm creating a hypothetical in which I'm okay with. I'm saying the video is where I draw the line. Now, with Manietta, I do not fucking believe in any way, shape, or form that Maneta did not send that to somebody else. She says she sent it to candy. She absolutely said it to other people. She definitely sent it to Kenya.

Absolutely. Without a doubt. Her and Kenya are like this because Kenya orders her around. And then, well, she admitted to that because she said, yes, the difference is I kept it within the group. I'm saying that Manetta definitely sent that elsewhere. Oh, I can see that. Other people have seen that. Because nobody says that's when the reel comes out, when

the cameras are down, and says, I'm going to send it to somebody else who wasn't in the room. You could just tell Kenya the next day. Yeah, that's a good point. Kenya's on bed rest, but you know. Well, the next scene we get Drew and Shiree talking, and this, for me, this is the kind of behavior where I'm like, oh, she's lying. Like,

where for you, it's like when you see somebody get over-animated and over-angry about something, when I see somebody over-making over making light of something, making light of something over and over again, which is what she was doing. She's talking to Sherey, and she's like, this is because of the movie. Like, just ask me if I'm, like, comfortable with that. Instead, she's, like, trying to plant the seed, blah, blah, blah. She keeps making jokes and trying to make it seem like so ridiculous and laughable. And when somebody does that at exhaustion, that's when I'm like, oh, this actually happened. You're trying to be like,

ha, ha, ha, ha, this is so crazy. Can you believe this Shire? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, shire. Can you believe this? like that's when I start to perk up. I'm like, ooh, that's not a great look. When you try to be like the ha-ha guy, ha-ha girl about it, that usually means you're trying to hide something. And that's the funny thing is it goes to a confessional. And Shre's like, oh, she's lying. We know Drew to be a liar. She's lying. So what I do like about Shiree is in the moment, she's always playing the side of the person. She just sits there and kind of feeds into it to get this person to keep going. Like, that's what she did with Drew. She's just kind of leaning into it a little bit and giving Drew enough length to hang herself

because she keeps talking. And then Shirea immediately in the confessionals, like, yeah, no, I don't believe her for a second. No, I think it's more so that it's like the Drusadora levels of, what do we call it? We'll call it levels of, it's like the Drusadora levels of grieving, if you will. Starts off with denial,

moves into fake humor. Okay. Then we get right into anger at that dinner scene later. What's the fourth? Eventually, she's going to have to get to acceptance, right? Oh, okay. But I think there's five stages of course. There is.

There's something in the middle there. We'll figure it out. It's also, it's a different one. It's a makeshift wheel. We'll keep brainstorming. And the next scene we get Mnietta in Kenya again, and they're talking about how Marlowe, Candy, and Shiree, we're talking about Courtney, and they were talking about Drew and, like, this whole, when they don't have

them actually mic up and you just get that, like, long-distance shot, and you can just hear the camera audio, I get really confused as to what's happening. I was trying to stay focused, but I really wasn't locked in because they said they were talking about Courtney, but I was like, Courtney is sitting there, no? So I was really confused about that. But it does shake out later that we find out that they're kind of warning Drew about her cousin, saying like, your cousin's the snake, you've got to be careful. I don't see that.

I see Courtney defending herself and playing the game and trying to go up against somebody like Kenya, who's an immovable object, as you said earlier. Kenya's hard to go to bat against because she does not budge, right, wrong, or otherwise. she stands firm so yeah i i there's a lot of things that are going on here i i really i don't think that kenya likes courtney i'm trying to figure out why she doesn't like courtney between her talking about how when courtney was touching her she said that she felt it was condescending condescending in a way it's like no it's fucking wasn't nobody that has that high-pitched of a voice it's condescending when she touches you like no that's just how she is but no that's i i'm trying to figure it out

because it's either one, she's worried that Courtney's getting too close to Drew and she's going to pull them away and Kenya likes to have control over the whole situation, especially when Candy's not there, or maybe she did already see that Courtney's becoming friends with Marlowe and Sherey and I just, I'm really trying to put my thumb on it because it doesn't make any sense to me. Or she just downright does not like Courtney and she's just going to trash her to her actual cousin. That's what I think.

Which is problematic. I think that she believes that Courtney is beneath her. I think that she thinks that Courtney tried to get too comfortable too quickly and she's not on her level, so it's disrespectful almost. Do you think the Kenya knew at this point that Drew already tell Kenya that Courtney had said karma is a bitch? I do because her reaction to it later when it came up was, yeah, somebody said that. It wasn't, who said that? Yeah, I know somebody said that. So, like, let's get it out in the open.

So yes, I do believe that that was, which is, you know, by Mnietta saying that at the dinner table later, not only is he's, Not only is she snitching on Drew, she's snitching on Courtney. That's a double snitch. You're a double rat. That's like you're 0 for two, which I thought that was a bold move, but that's who Mnietta is. She will go to bat for Kenya. No matter what, no matter how bad it makes her look, she will always go to war for

Kenya. Well, and that's what sucks too, because we got a glimpse of Marnetta without Kenya sitting around there the night before when they were doing all the pottery stuff or whatever. She was nice. She was enjoyable. She was getting along with everybody. Yep.

And then flip a switch as soon as Kenya. comes back. It's annoying. I always hate that. It doesn't happen. It's not just in Atlanta. It's in every fucking show. There's always one person that's very enjoyable. Usually it's a friend of, very enjoyable without the person that's kind of like handling them, if you will. And as soon as that person comes back in the fold, flip a switch, you're right back to being an asshole. Yeah, it's unfortunate. But the next scene is the girls are all getting on the bus. They're headed to Shooter's favorite. Headed to a sound bath, baby. And it's not. But the banter.

leading up to this bus is just hysterical. Kenya's lucky to be walking today. Lucky to be walking is disrespectful to people that are actually paralyzed. Like, you fucking slipped outside. You're embarrassed. Next to a banana peel. Which is hysterical.

Yes. I'm glad you, like, yes, of course we're glad she's okay. We're not wishing any injury on anybody. But let's be real. It was not that big of a deal. And she's leaning on it like somebody tried to kill her. But the diagnosis was trauma.

What do you mean? It's not a bruised coxick, which is your tailbone, not a hairline fracture, not what's the word, a contusion even? It was just trauma. That's the most vague response ever. The doctor probably saw her and was like, here's some ibuprofen, go back and take a good night's sleep and wake up, you'll be fine in the morning. She also waited for a couple of hours.

I'm sure her ass started to feel better halfway through sitting in that way. the hallway. Yeah. Yeah. But this is where we get the first glimpse of Courtney in her confessional. And she's starting to get riled up. She's starting to respond to some of the disrespect that she's getting from Kenya. And I like that.

I like that she's not backing down. Courtney has taken about 15 steps forward for me since episode one. Yeah, I think she's solidified herself as a houseboy for next year, or at least a friend of. A friend of for sure, because she's not afraid to go to bat. And I like that. But we get a little freestyle from Mignetta. and look, I'm not here to shame anybody for their passions for what they want to do. None of the lyrics rhymed, and it bugged the shit out of me.

It really, really, I did not enjoy it. We talked about this last week because one of the guys that we were going to have on our live show apparently did freestyles. And you're like, I want to make them do it look in front of everybody. Like, fuck, no, that sounds really uncomfortable for me. This was uncomfortable for me and apparently it was uncomfortable for you. Yes, I want to hear that. I absolutely want to hear that. because of this moment.

I'm like, oh, God. Like, that's, the worst part was they're like, oh, did you just come up with that? And she's like, no, it's an old one. I'm like, oh, that's recycled material? Like, maybe you should have just winged it. But they get to the sound bath and shooter, shooter has his own opinions about soundbats. I think they're lovely. I do think that they're centering.

I think they're grounding. I think they're a good way to kind of look inward. I don't understand why you're so against. Are you against a sound bath or are you against watching a sound bath? Both. What's your problem? They're stupid. Why are they stupid?

They are stupid as hell. You're stupid. Just because you can't, like, accept and, like, relax and just try something new. I would have no clue. I would have a thousand percent fall asleep. That's not a bad thing. What do you mean? Because that's part of the... If you fall asleep in a sound bath, that's still meditation, it's bringing you to a place, like, to relax.

It's a relaxed state in which you can... I would fall asleep to make it go faster. You're such a... Get it over with. Are you kidding? Oh, my God. That's our next thing. We're going to a sound bath together.

Case and point that these things do not work. work you get the stupid voiceovers where they're all talking about this is what i reflected on love what the fuck is that what was the phrase love is love oh man it was i am loving awareness i am loving awareness that makes no sense first of all i'm loving being aware in the moment being present presence of mind try it sometime whatever so they're all going and doing their voiceovers what happens less than an hour later they get in a fight huge fight clearly this doesn't fucking work. I do not care. It's the stupidest thing in the world. There's no way. Kenya cries. Like, come on. I can't with these things. Well, look, I... You know what?

I'd rather watch a Roaring 20s party once again for the fucking eighth time this year. You've seen. I would do a sound bath again. We're done with them. I would love for one of our listeners to put a compilation together of all the roaring 20s parties over the last year and a half of Bravo shows. It's remarkable the amount that we've seen. But I think you're just a grinch. I think that we need to go to a sound bath together and do a live from it. I think that would be electric. It's really boring live. Feel better?

No. You better now for mocking soundbath? No. Meditation. Do not care. Yeah, well, but we get to the last night. And this is where the video conversation comes up. And I did agree here.

There is a double standard because Marlowe gets dragged for recording this video. And again, like she took it a step further by involving Latoy. I do understand that that's a little bit different. However, Mnietta doesn't even get a slap on the wrist. Like, no one even says a word about the fact that she filmed the whole thing, too. She claims that she stopped reporting as soon as somebody said no cameras. I don't know if I believe that either. We don't actually have the video footage, so I don't know.

But that just doesn't know. You're telling me that somebody said no cameras and Monsetta turned it down, but Marlowe didn't? That I could believe. I'm just saying I don't believe Mnietta did. But that's when we get the comment. That's when the real comes out. And I don't appreciate when people say things like that because we should be getting the reel on the camera. I understand it's played up. I understand that it's not going to be

100% authentic, but it needs to be close. And the fact like this is when you get that, and it's like when you're watching a movie and something happens in the movie that takes you out of it for your suspension of disbelief, which is what gets you into, you know, there's a suspension of belief. Suspension of belief. Okay. So that's what pulls you out of, you know, a fantasy movie or something where you're like really involved it and then something dumb happens on screen and you snap out of it like the trance and you're like, oh, this is dumb. For me, that's what that does. Like, I don't need that comment.

You should be giving us more on screen. And this is when Kenya comes at Courtney and we get the word collusion thrown around, which just reminds me of the league, which makes me laugh every time. But they're talking – Mnietta's talking about collusion, which is a strong word to throw around. Keny's coming at Courtney, and this is when the karma thing comes out. And to Courtney's credit, she stands by. She's like, yeah, I said that. And this is why I like Courtney.

She's not backing down from Kenny just because Kenya is like, you're irrelevant to me. I am the moment. That's not trash talk. that's not trash talk. It makes you look self-absorbed, condescending, and just rude. Courtney does not deserve the backlash that she's been getting from Kenya all season, period. So I'm team Courtney here all the way. I think that she deserves to drag Kenya.

I'm so glad that she's not afraid to stand up for to her because Kenya deserves to hear this shit. She does. And I thought that it was a very funny little throw out there, like just because you busted your ass. Like Kenya took offense to it. But I think Kenya took offense to it and tried to double down on the whole. I could have been a paraplegic after that or whatever the fuck she said because she realized that she was not winning this

and it's got to be so interesting to see because look Courtney wasn't in the forefront of our minds in the beginning of the season she backed down immediately we thought okay yeah maybe she's got a little promise nope she backs down backs down backs down she's trying to go after candy right away weird didn't work out she backed down

but all she did was back down reassess and then I don't even think I really don't even think that she was going to go after Kenya I think that she was just trying to find her groove with these women. I agree. And then Kenya had backlash at her for some reason, completely lash out at her just because she was touching her.

And again, Courtney looks like a touchy-feely kind of person. She probably rubs your shoulders while she talks to you. But don't say that it's in a condescending way. Like, that makes zero sense. It makes zero sense. That's got to be the first time that anybody's ever claimed that you touched me in a condescending way. I agree.

Maybe a pat on the head, like, good job sport would be like a condescending way, sure. But I think she was just trying to relate to Kenya. Like, by breaking the touch barrier, it kind of like moves the friendship forward a little bit. So maybe she was testing the waters. Maybe she overshot her mark a little bit. Sure. Could it have gotten annoying? I could see that. You know what? It's not condescending. Overall, I like to see it because we're still getting last week. We had that weird little divide where Drew could have gone either way. We do get to see that Marlowe actually has a little bit of backup because again, they are still just going after Marlowe relentlessly. It's annoying. I'm sorry.

Like, I know that I sound like a huge Marlowe stand. But at the end of the day, I am mostly just annoyed and pissed off and I'm bored with it. Stop. going after her for fucking every little detail stop throwing her life or past transgressions and her legal troubles and shit in her face. I love that she laughs at it now. Because she's got to be done with it. She's got to be

over it. She's got to be annoyed with it. She's just uninvited. Nobody, like, she doesn't even bring it up anymore and they still throw it in her face. Like, that's the only thing that they have to go after her for. That and selling her pussy for a bag, apparently. But that's, those are the two things that they keep coming after her for. And I love that she's letting it roll off. I like that Courtney's

teaming up. I like that Sonia's getting a couple words in there. Shire can't even handle it because she has to leave because love is awareness or whatever. The whole thing. I am love awareness. I was happy to see that at least it wasn't everybody against one person. There were multiple fights going on and it involved a lot of the key players and I like to see that. But to me it's messy because I don't even know if everybody knows who they're standing up for and it's funny because they start to break down. We get the juxtaposed scenes and we get Kenney and her crew talking about and Kenny's like, I didn't say anything to her.

I haven't done anything to that woman, blah, blah, blah. You cut her off at every chance you get. You're extremely rude to her. You're shrill towards her. There's no warm feelings at all. You make her seem like she's beneath you. We watch it week in and week out. And you look at Courtney's side of things.

She really hasn't done anything to Kenya that's been negative until finally she got pushed too far. And she's like, yeah, karma's a bitch. Like wear it. Sorry about it. Yeah. And I don't see anything wrong with that. If you keep pushing, she's going to bite back eventually.

but we get to dinner, and first of all, fuck Ralph, and I don't care how you feel about Drew, the fact that it actually pains me to see Drew be like, yeah, I'm still in counseling, but Ralph took her either. And then she still stands by her man. Like, she's loyal to a fault, and this dude's in Vegas right now with a stripper producer doing God knows what and has the balls to text Marlowe the next night at the vineyard

and be like, keep my name out of your mouth. Like, fuck your name, dude, fuck you. Seriously, I hope you hear this, because you deserve to be dragged all across. It's funny because when Marlowe did first say that I just got a text from Ralph, my immediate reaction was just talk to Drew one-on-one. You don't have to do this in front of everybody. Maybe I'm protecting Marlowe.

But then when you read the content of the message, sure, throw that out in the front of everybody. Absolutely. What a weird-ass move. And I get it. Like Drew was expecting it. She clearly told Ralph, if she didn't, then there's another snake in the grass somewhere. She clearly told Ralph. So she was expecting it.

I like the Marlowe said it in front of everybody because they can now see Ralph for who the fuck he is. And I love her stance on that. Exactly. And I love her stance on that. I'm not going to text him back. I'm sitting next to his wife right here.

I'm going to say I'm sorry for even bringing him up. She didn't say anything bad about him. Not one iota. We do the same thing. We do the same thing. We're both in tech. Okay, cool. That's not bad unless he's not actually in tech.

Maybe he lost his job, too. Maybe that's why he's doing this fucking stripper promotion thing in Vegas. Maybe that's why Drew so butt heard about this. I don't know. I'm just throwing things out there that are going through my mind while I'm watching. But she didn't say one bad thing about him. This is just, it's getting annoying with this show. Marlowe does things that aren't even bad and they're still going after for it.

It's annoying. I think that I can agree with you there that it's annoying. I don't like when things get repetitive and uninventive. Like come up with some new material. We hear the clapbacks. This crew is great. They're great at insults. They're great at clapbacks.

They have some of the best in the Housewives realm. So you can do better than reusing the same material, especially Kenya, man. Like, she continues to just, she leans into that one every goddamn time. Every time she's got an issue with Marlowe, she throws out the fact that she was potentially a high-end escort or something. And it's just, I agree. That part gets old. But I did enjoy the fact that they could at least give Shiree one evening where things could have blown up. They reel it in.

I love the edit where it slows down everything. Like, do you feel the wine? There's pilgrims here. that was pretty funny honestly it was i enjoyed i even wrote down fun edit that was a fun at it and that's the thing is like yeah i'm harping on the one thing that annoys me but overall good episode it's a good episode i thought it was a really good episode and i think that the end of the season's gonna be really good as well and i think that that reunion should be awesome as long as they don't overdo it that's but it should be awesome and i'll blame bravo editing for that i'm not going to

blame atlanta well i'm gonna i'm gonna blame bravo editing for that if they do end up making it longer than it has to be. But overall, enjoying the season, I know that everybody says that it's a down season, but we're happy that we got into Atlanta. Yeah, I think that whether the audience agrees that it was a good season or not, we did enjoy it. And like you said, I'm pumped that we did get into it. Everyone kept telling us we had to do Atlanta, had to do Atlanta, had to do Atlanta. We missed a boat last year because we started the podcast too late. So for better or worse, we did enjoy this season. We are excited for future seasons. I am excited if, you know, this wasn't the best year ever if they can shake some things up to try to make it better.

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Search for Raiders of the Lost podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. But that takes us to Roney 2.0, and look, I'm enjoying it. I really am. I think it's fun. think it's light. I think that I'm happy that there's drama starting now. We're starting to see the tensions rise amongst the group as you're going to get. I'm glad that they forced

a trip early to make all these women stuck in the same house together because that's how you produce drama. Yeah. You stick enough people in the same house together for long enough. They're going to butt heads. Yeah. Even if it's early on and obviously there's still some growing pains and we know that they don't really all know each other. I will say as the resident ratings guy, it's not doing super well, which is kind of shitty. And look, I mean, we're a part of the problem because I watch it on Peacock, but I think it would make more sense to put it during the week. Like summer during the week, people will watch things.

Sunday night during the, during the Sunday night. Put it around like 9 o'clock on like, put it in fucking OC slot, put it 9 o'clock on Wednesday. That would do much better than a Sunday night. I feel like people are getting back from wherever the hell they were. If they're at the beach or there are mountains or whatever, it's just not a good time slot for them. So I'm not going to read into the ratings.

I think that a lot of people, most people like it. The people that are watching it really enjoy it, which is what I like. I do have a shuffle in the power rankings, though. Oh, let's hear it. Big time shuffle. Oh, I like that.

Let's hear it. Uber is now number one. That's not surprising. A thousand percent Uber is number one. She is great. Jenna moves down just a bit, but Aaron has now landed her spot just above Jessel at the bottom.

Oh. I had Aaron up pretty high. I know. She jumped right back down. Interesting. Yeah. I think you were definitely on to something where her and Jenna are not quite as close as she would make you believe.

No, but she wants you to think they are. Yes, this is absolutely the Diana Jenkins effect, and that's exactly what's going on here. The rest in the middle is pretty much unchanged. I think that that's reasonable power rankings. I like that. Jenna is still great. Uba, God, Uva is great. She's just great, and it's not surprising because Chanel was great.

You know, Aeon is fantastic from Dubai. she was the only bright spot of that entire franchise. I do wonder if we wouldn't get this much out of Uber if it wasn't for the early trip. I don't know. Because we'd be getting her solo. Obviously, I mean, looking at scenes the next week and forward from there, it looks like we get a lot of like solo stuff with her,

which, you know, obviously we want to learn more about pretty much everybody. But I do agree with you. I think that the trip early in the season is huge because it forces everybody to get together. The only obviously dud of the crew is just Jessel complaining about it. Dude, it's so annoying. She comes downstairs. She complains about the cold and the heat's broken upstairs, I guess.

Then she's like, I'm moving to the hotel. And then she's complaining because Jenna went to her house. But she's not complaining because Jenna left. She's complaining because Jenna's house is on the water. Aaron's house is not. And then she's complaining because the Wi-Fi is not working. And everything that she has to complain about, she does. And here's the thing that drives me nuts is later when she's called out about it.

She's like, oh, I was just saying that to be funny. It's like, no, you weren't. You were incredibly rude to Jenna the night before. you are incredibly rude to Aaron, who is hosting you at her beautiful Hampton house. I don't care if it's not in the hot spot of the Hamptons. It's the fucking Hamptons, and it's a gorgeous house. The fact that you think it's acceptable to be that rude to your host is just baffling to me. It's fucking insane behavior.

I don't understand how you can act like that's not a big deal. After you, one, drag Jenna for her lingerie, who her friend made, and she was nice enough to give you a fucking gift. And then Aaron, who invited you into her home and is doing everything she can to provide a fun trip. I just, in my experiences, I cannot imagine going to somebody's house for the weekend and complaining about anything. I don't care if it was freezing. I'd put on six sweatshirts and not say a goddamn word. No, I mean, honestly, I like to sleep in the freezing cold, so that's entirely fine by me. But I do think, and look, I don't really know, honestly, what or how I'm going to feel about Bryn moving forward, at least like, you know, a season from now or whatever.

I think she's trying really hard. She is, but that's working for now. Because I feel like if she didn't show up this episode, and it was still just the five of them up there at Aaron's house. I don't think that we would have gotten as much out of this episode as if when Brin showed up. And obviously, Brin shows up at the trainer. And then later when they're having lunch, she makes a couple of comments in there. I feel like, yes, she is forcing things, which could definitely get annoying. Maybe she learns how to kind of manage that and make it organic, whatever. But it was necessary for this episode. I agree with that. That's a really good analysis there. But Jenna returns to the house and she left the night prior because quote unquote the music was right below me it was

10 o'clock at night i have a meeting at 6 a.m i didn't want to bug anybody i just bounce now i see both sides of this and that might be because i'm biased towards jena and everybody seems to be slightly biased in her favor i do agree with the fact that if you are at a house for the weekend you just got a grin and bear it you got a muscle through it you can't just bounce i don't think that she has to just grin and bear it but you can't just bounce and not plan on saying anything to anybody just first off nobody knew that you had a meeting at 630 the next day they were all surprised to hear that held them up front second off don't leave the house without saying anything you were just going to sneak out the front door that was weird and look

you can chalk it up to her personality you can say that maybe she doesn't feel comfortable or social with these women first girl's trip ever all right it's soft spot for jena i'm i'm gonna be the contrarian here with this shocking because everybody's got this huge soft spot for her i like her I think she's great. I think she's a super interesting person. Need more out of her. But in this instant, that's a bullshit move.

I agree. It was a thousand percent. There's no way to look at the other side of this. No, no, no, I agree with that. I just said that she shouldn't have left.

I don't even think she should have left. Yeah, that's, you can be in the middle. You can say like, yeah, I've got a, I've got a meeting at 6.30. I'm probably going to leave around like 10, 10.30,

but I'll hang out with you guys as long as I can. And then I will come back. Yes. When you get to the house, right? Immediately just say, that plan immediately because she said that she didn't want to be in everybody's way and this and that or whatever there were excuses there yeah she definitely made excuses but i wrote down in my

notebook though finally some drama like now we're starting to see people push but it's funny and we'll get to this in a minute but she doesn't really get a lot of heat for it and we'll get there but the next scene we get the personal trainer david coming over and good lord the man walked into a shark tank oh yeah like look a handsome man he's carved up he's got he's got he's got it going on. I understand, but, like, Uba's all over him immediately. Brin walks in the house, she's all over him immediately. Like, good thing this man's single. Like, what if he wasn't? Yeah, we get messy. But we get to see a scene. And Shooter and I always appreciate these scenes because it lets us know if we were going to go golfing in a foursome, who we would

pick for our teams. Not the most athletic group. No. Not at all. What do you think about Jenna's leggings? I think that she's a fashion icon. No, no, no, no. They were atrocious. I wasn't a fit. I wasn't a fan. But I love that when Bryn walks in, Uba's like,

Bryn just walked in like a pimp, like wearing a big ass fur coat and a sweatsuit. Interesting look for the Hamptons, especially when the next scene is them getting all done up to go to lunch and Aaron and Jenna walk out like, what the fuck, guys? I thought the funniest part about them walking out to go to lunch and obviously they're all dressed up,

well, four of the six are dressed up. Did you hear what Cy said? I don't try to slay all the time. I just, you know, I had some clothes and I put them on and, like, I just like to look good. You got 16 bags. You brought an entire fucking escalate full of bags and said, I've got every outfit in here so that I can get all of my pictures for my content this weekend.

Yeah, you planned on it. Don't act like you didn't. You got to. But Sai is my, like that part annoyed me. She did rise a little bit because I felt like one, she can take a little bit of shit, which is always good. She seems like she has fun. She seems to have a good head about her.

I think that she's defends. because of her past, and that's understanding. She's been through a lot. She worked her ass off to get where she is. Mad respect for that. No shade whatsoever. I do think she jumped to the defensive very quickly, and I think that she gets a little mean really fast because of that.

But again, like, she's very proud of where she is now, and I think that she deserves to be because of what she's gone through. She's not my favorite. She's not my favorite, but she did move up a bit. She was pretty rough the first couple episodes. But this is when we get the scene after the, workout with Jenna and Aaron they're chatting inside and this is where I'm like okay and this is confirmation for you that Aaron one doesn't know Jenna that well and two is going to let her kind

of do whatever she wants I got a different sense from this scene actually I didn't think she I don't think that Aaron went that easy on her honestly I did she you really like let me comparison to when Bryn oh in comparison I'm not even going to compare it to that because that is way different that is shooting your dog versus you know stepping on the dog's paw as Bryn's head Oh, I didn't hear that. Oh, my God. Anyway. It's like, whoa, dude.

Real dark, real fast. But no, I thought that Aaron did give Jenna not even the appropriate amount of shit. I thought she gave her more shit than she even deserved. She was cold to her when she walked in. She made a lot of comments about her leaving. Didn't even look her in the eye for the first couple of minutes while they were talking. And she made countless jokes about how they did not get to eat breakfast because Jenna said, I'm not going to eat before I work out.

And then Jenna was living there. Well, wait, hold on, no. No, she, at the lunch later in the episode, she kept saying it over and over, and then the rest of the crew jumped in and started saying it over and over again. I think Jenna got the appropriate amount of shit. I don't think so. I think she deserved, because here's the difference, right? The difference is when Bryn got shit, it was more pointed.

It was definitely meaner, and it was. For sure. With Jen, uh, there was a, there's a caveat in there somewhere that it's like, it's a little later. It's like, look, we're going to get through this clearly. We're just going to give you some jabs. But I thought the initial, and I, I, I, this is where I, I kind of agree with Aaron.

Now, I don't agree later when she says that I just like Jenna more than you, Brent. But I do think that Aaron gave Jenna the appropriate amount of shit. And Jenna did apologize within hours. And I get it. Like, Bryn didn't say anything to you for a couple of weeks, blah, blah, blah. Brin probably didn't know that you were pissed at her until, you know, the day before she had to go over to Jenna's. But that being said, I didn't really think that she was playing favors. I thought that she gave her shit and I thought that Jenna apologized and I thought that was it.

I liked that. Here's the difference for me, okay? in this one line, I think, is what changes that. In her confessional, she says, we just need to give Jenna her space. Like, she needs to learn how to, like, be in this group, blah, blah, blah. She's giving her the grace. That's true. I don't think she'd give the rest of the cast. Yeah, I kind of look at professionals a little differently.

Just because they've had weeks and weeks to kind of reflect on things, I look at things in the moment. That's fair. But to the Shukhuka of it all, if you don't know what Shukkah is, it's like red sauce with eggs cracked in it. I mean, there's much more to it than that. but that's like the general gist of it. To eat that before a workout is insanity.

It's crazy. No, it's really good. There's a lot of... No, it's a lot of... There's a lot of... Or even just a flavor. No, it's a really good. It is really good.

There's a ton of flavor in it. Will you make it for me sometime? I will. I make really good chukes, but it is really strong and it is heartburn city because it's all red sauce, egg, fat. Like, it'll crush you.

And the fact that you want to eat that before a workout is just plain crazy. You just don't do that. But this is when they get all dressed up, go to lunch. And this is where I wrote it down the same thing that you said, where it says, sigh doesn't try. You brought 30 bags, bro.

Yeah. That's what I'm happy that didn't go unnoticed. I hope other people caught that time. I was like, come on, man. You just got to accept it. Like, you're an influencer. We get it, but you got to be that person always. But they get to lunch.

And they start talking about their flirting methods. If I was standing at a party when I was single and some chick was standing next me flipping through her nudes, I would walk away immediately. I would have thought she was a hoker. I'm not even kidding. Immediately, it's been like, up, nope, that's a trap. That's an escort. For me, it's just more so like, no, I'm not going to get involved.

That's a red flag. That's a big red flag. That's a big red flag. That's not a good method for me, I don't think. Uba, I thought was funny. She just goes up and asks for directions, and I did enjoy the scene because I love the play on words where Britain's like, yeah, I'm looking for gate B, gate D, and gate E.

That big dick energy. I like this. It was a good dancer. Once they all ate and they weren't hungry. anymore, they had good banter. And to their point, like, they haven't really eaten a solid meal since they've been at Aaron's house. They had caviar and then they had nothing.

They went out to dinner. That's true. No. Yeah, they went out to dinner. Remember who? Oh, yeah, yeah. She stole the coconut milk. And then acted like coconut milk was impossible to find. That was, she goes, this is really hard to find. I'm like, no, it's not. Just go to the grocery store. It's in every grocery store. Just go to the international food section. It's sitting right there.

Dr. Crystal Minkoff. She actually has a whole brand about coconut milk and coconut water. Yeah, we made a cocktail with her over the holidays. I made a mock tale, but shout out Crystal. Can't wait until Beverly Hills is back. But an interesting point here when Jenna's talking about the fact that, you know, because she dates women, that she doesn't have to worry about these games being played. And I was envious of that because I fucking hate the game.

I think the game is so dumb. I can't stand that you have to like worry about saying too much or not saying enough. Or when do you text and this and that? And the fact that Jenna's like, yeah, I don't have to worry about that. She was like, wow, that must be really fucking nice. It must be really nice. Yeah, it really must be because that's a terrible part of the game. It's awful.

I fucking hate it. But moving on from that, that's when we get the conversation at the lunch table where there's a double standard. And that's when Aaron's like, well, maybe I just like her more than you, which is 100% true. And after hearing your point, like, I don't really see both sides, I guess. I do see that Jenna should have just stuck it out. I do have a soft spot for her. so thank you for correcting me. I needed to hear it.

You're allowed to keep us off. You don't have to patronize me now. I just gave you credit, leave it at that. Sorry, you're a nice guy. Okay, I'll talk to. But this is when the jessel comes backed up and everything that she's done. And I can't believe that she's sitting there defending herself. And she thinks that she's apologizing.

This is where I just don't think she knows. Not once did she say the words, I'm sorry or I apologize. Yep. Get it. That's different. Say, I'm sorry. And stop shitting on. Stop shitting.

patronizing oh my god i get where you're coming from worse and this is what i said about how she talks to her husband and we got a scene from next week by the way where the husband tries to check her and say the way that you talk to me sometimes and i fucking told you but she's sitting there and she's talking with the lingerie and she's explaining it to brin like yeah she bought me this thing and it was really nice but like i looked like a christmas tree it was hideous i would never wear but i get it i get where she keeps insulting it and that's when she says this i was being funny about it which is the same to me as when and you know it's my least favorite trope when a house if it gets caught in a lie, and they say I was joking.

Yep. It's the same thing. And, and Uva chimes in in her confessional, she is talking about, and there might be some merit to this, she thinks that there's some trauma from her IVF journey trying to have children. We can't speak on that, obviously. And I'm sure that was a really difficult process. And I'm sure that there was a lot of insecurities that come with having a child. Like, it does so much damage to your body, to your hormones.

I do a lot of postpartum training with, with my clients and yeah it's a really really hard hill to climb and respect seriously but the way that she talks to these other women and the way that she treats these other women that are doing nice things for they invite you to their house they buy you gifts and you have nothing but complaints about it it's so rude i just i can't i don't care if you're rich you still can't just be a dick and the way that she finishes the apology is what i should have said is thanks i want to exchange it for something else yeah no like just do what we said last week just say thank you don't put it on or try it on realize that it doesn't fit or whatever put it back in your bag and never wear it again

that's it that's it you don't have to talk about it but we get back to the house and they give jena a makeover and she looks stunning i will give her that she looks amazing the girls did a nice job dressing her up really interesting point though when jena is talking her professional she's like i used to dress like this when i was trying to attract men now i don't dress for for other people I dress for myself. I appreciated that line, and that makes a lot of sense. And it's funny that Sye is saying, oh, this will turn heads in a room.

Looking like this will turn heads in a room. What Sye doesn't understand, Jenna has won the aura and two, the presence, and three, the reputation, she turns heads in a sweater and jeans. She walks in a room and she commands the room. Yeah, and I think that's fine, and I definitely don't fault Sye for that.

And maybe I'm starting to understand who Sye is because even Sye walks downstairs and she implements Jenna's lingerie into her outfit. I thought that was such a nice, cool move. And look, I don't know if she was doing it to throw shade at Jessel because Jessel made a big deal about it.

I hope that was part of it. That's great. Part of it, yes, could be fine. I liked to think that because Jessel made such a big deal about it and Jenna is, obviously, we're finding out that Jen's pretty sensitive about these types of things.

Sye did it to make Jenna feel better, not to make Jessel feel like an asshole. She made it look like, look, Jenna, I'm incorporating this into my outfit. You know how I look at my outfits. You know how good I always want to look. Obviously, there's going to be pictures of me. I'm incorporating a gift that you gave me directly into my outfit that speaks louder than words.

I like to think it's that. Now, look, I want a little asshole sprinkled on time. A little asshole sprinkled on like, yes, exactly. Yes, I think that's entirely fine. But I thought that was a really cool move. And that's actually why Sai moved up a little bit in my power ranking. Look, like I said, I definitely like Cy more. But they sit down at dinner.

It looks immaculate. But this was a dinner that I would very much want to be a part of. The plating looks beautiful. The fish looks incredible. These guys did a fantastic job. I didn't even pay attention to the food. Oh, I always do. I always pay attention to the food.

You could have asked me what they had. I would have had no answer. It was a beautiful dinner. It really was. And they all are raving about the food, which is great. Aaron finally gets to chalk up a win. But they go to two truths and a lie. Some of these are really interesting.

If I'm going to be entirely honest, I think every single one of them through an additional lie in there. Oh, I do too. I think it was two lies and a truth. I think that it was, maybe, maybe two and a half lies in the truth. I think it was, I think it was just three exacerbations of the truth. Yeah. That's what I think it was. I think it was three things that are like, whoa, and I don't know, you know. Although Aaron did call her husband afterwards and say, did I ever tell you that I had sex in a senator's room? Oh my God, and the kids were in the car. That was really funny.

That was hysterical. That was hysterical. The last thing that we get is the women at fire pit. They're trying to get this thing kicked on. when they make fun of Sye for saying throw a match on it, like that's actually the safest thing to do is to get fire to it immediately because the longer it leaks, the more danger you put everybody in. So for them to be like,

sigh's going to blow us up. It's like, no, Cy's actually the smart one to try to light it on fire before you guys keep leaking propane everywhere. That's the issue. Or as Brin says, petrol. Petrol. That, that...

Where the fuck did she come from? Did not care for it. Yep. Did not care for the forced word. I don't ever care for forced words. Just say, bro. propane or gas. It's not petrol.

Very European things call it. And you're not from Europe. We don't, I don't know where she's from, but I don't think it's Europe. Given she gives off, she gives off the vibes of spent like a semester abroad and made it her whole personality. That, that I could see. But while they're at the fire pit, I'm really glad we get the scene because we get to learn about SIE.

And this for me moved SIE up the power rankings because I was able to kind of peek behind the veil a little bit and see why she ticks the way that she does and she worked her ass off like she worked at sears when she was 16 or 17 living in a new york apartment with her roommate from high school like she worked her ass off and now she's doing very well she talks about she used to peek in the windows and daydream about certain things and now she's living it and i i don't care how i end up feeling about her as a character on this show like i will never not give her respect for what she's done to get where she is i think it's awesome and i love these scenes because it makes real it's like okay fuck yeah like that makes them super relatable and i feel like anytime and look

like we didn't watch a lot of these shows from the beginning so maybe some of them start off like this but we need this for every person on the show it makes you more relatable if three or four of them talk about their backstory like jenna talks about her whole uprising in in her career and how she rose to the top and everything like that even if people aren't at the top of their company it still makes you relatable because you worked really hard sigh talks about her rough upbringing and like what she had to do because she didn't grow up up rich. We need more of that. As soon as three or four of them do that and the other two are kind of sitting out there, we're just going to assume that you grew up rich and this is how you've

always been. Yeah. And that doesn't bode well for the casual Bravo viewer. I guess I need that all the time. And honestly, when we look at it, we get new housewives almost every year. We definitely get at least one or two housewives a year at this point. We need them to do that. We need to be able to feel what they feel and understand where they came from so that we can like them. And sometimes we'll understand where they came from and we will dislike them even more. But we'll respect them. We'll respect them. We need this for everybody. We can't just sit there and be like, oh yeah, you know, this is who I am and what I do and I worked really hard to do that. Like, tell us more. Tell us why. In depth. Yeah, because if you leave it vague, we're going to try

to fill in the blanks and it's not going to be pretty. And that's why, you know, I'm curious to see how much further into Brin's backstory yet because she says that she relates to Sy because she had a similar. It looks like she has a bit of a breakdown next week during Thanksgiving. I guess it is maybe so we'll get a little bit more there because some uba actions so i do think that we'll get everybody i am a little worried that kind of like errin and maybe jessel kind of like sit on the side and those are the two that i was thinking of when i just said that that we'll get like four of the six and then those two will stand on the outside and be like what's your deal i think what are you is and that runs the risk of them staying at the bottom of those power rankings look

these power rankings are ever fluid oh just because i stand firm with jena right now it does not mean that she can't fall four spots in one week. Yeah, mine are set down, actually. I'm just going to, I'm going to ride. It's not surprising, but it's, look, overall, I enjoy it. I think it's light. I think it's fun. The drama is not crazy yet.

It's building up. I think that more people really need to give the show a shot. I think that if you are out on it without trying it, I think that's a really bad way to watch TV. Yeah, and I think there's no way that this should be doing Salt Lake City numbers. No, it really, it's better than Salt Lake. It's way better than Salt Lake. So just give it a shot for the love of God.

Just watch it. And just like, understand also it's the first season of a new franchise. It's going to take a little while for these women to get their feet wet. But if you're not watching now, you're going to miss out. Yeah. Some good stuff. Good backstory. And you know what?

In a couple of seasons, we're going to be shaming fans for not watching from the beginning. If it takes off, yeah, then we have all the ammo come after you. I'm so excited to shame fans. Can't wait. but that takes us to the question portion of the show so let's dive right in from max june for that max jun three one of those two max this is for you pal should atlanta be rebooted we don't have the backstory to know that yet we enjoyed this season but i will say a lot of our listeners and a lot of our commenters do believe that that is the case now

I believe that there's too many good characters on that show to completely do a full reboot. What do you think? I, yeah, I think there's too many. Now, the problem is that, obviously, like, Candy is the longest tenured housewife at this point, and she's kind of checked out. Like, we talk about, I like that we're at least talking about it on the show, too, and people are kind of pointing out the fact that she's not there anymore. It would be hard to move on from Candy, but if Candy decides that she's got other things, going on and she wasn't she doesn't want to do the show anymore reboot the whole thing wow so it's riding on candy for you i think so honestly all right um yeah i don't know from collis white

which atlanta housewife is your favorite oh wait which atlanta wife's house is your favorite oh i don't know i haven't seen enough of the houses yeah no which which atlanta wife is your favorite just changed the question all together um first of all the phrasing there is very confusing and you can't say wife's house for housewives. It's very hard to read. Yeah, we're dyslectic. I don't know. I'm kind of leaning towards...

I can't say Marlowe. I know that everybody wants me to say Marlowe. I'm not going to say Marlowe, it's okay. I'm going to say Shiree, actually. Shiree or... This is going to be surprising. Sonia. Sonia doesn't do enough for me.

I like Sonia. I like her. I think I would like her a lot as a person. Yeah. On the TV, it's different. I just don't think she delivers her. All right. Last one, because from Christy, Jedlicky,

we've already said that we're going to watch Salt Lake. From our boy, Lose, who missed our show after telling us. That's a good question. But you missed our show in New York after you said you're going to be there. So you continue to make me not like you. I'm trying my best, even though I'm always in support of you and shooter shits on you, and yet you stand by shooter. But whatever, dude.

From Outdoor Lose, how do you explain tomato, pie to people outside of Philly. So you know apple pie, right? Yes. That's it. Replace it with tomatoes. What the fuck. That is not.

That would be awful. That's not it really bad. That's the worst. It's pizza without cheese, just red sauce, but the bread is more like a facacia, maybe. I would say so yeah. It's got more structure to it so that it doesn't dip when you pick it up. It doesn't get soggy, and it's like a thick bread with very good red sauce on top and a ton of Parmesan, like fresh shredded parm on top.

It is, like, I always say it wrong, and then Dev makes fun of me. Is it Corpolis or Coropolis? Corpolis. Corpolis makes a fantastic one. Marciano, shout out to them. They make a really, really good one as well. Finding a good tomato pie is amazing. Finding a bad tomato pie is a very sad experience.

Yeah, it is. It's really, really tough. What am I doing? Yeah, it's soggy. Oh, I was actually, the one that I was thinking of, There's, it's bread to tomato ratio is way off. The ratio is important. The ratio is very important.

Like a light amount of sauce on top and you're like, what am I eating? If you go too far to bread, it's bad. If you go too far tomato, it's bad. I can't take a bite in and then immediately hit my teeth. Yeah. I need to be able to get some bread in there somewhere. I agree. So that's, a tomato pie is amazing.

Just make sure you go to a good, just get corpolis. It's fucking amazing. Or if you're by Marchiano's, get a Marchiano's tomato pie. But other than that, do you guys? anything else? No, I do not. Well, remember to follow us on our socials at Rob underscore Bros. Follow us on threads, I guess, as well now, and make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel at Rob underscore Bros. And hey, if you're feeling up for it, one, give us a five-star review. It helps us out tremendously. It takes no time at all. Just click that little five-star

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