Bros & Shows - Kenny Sparks His Own Fire (In The City Full Recap S1E4)

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

What's up bros?? While all of the West & Amanda fallout has clearly impacted our feelings of the Kyle/Amanda scenes we need to endure in this show, there's still a lot to dig into with this cast. It seems we decided to not focus on building storylines with everyone and instead really focus on Kenny & Whitney's relationship. You'd think this would be something easy for Kenny to deflect but instead it seems Kenny is hellbent on making things worse not only for him but for Whitney as well. We're sure all of this will work itself out right? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I know a lot of us are still coming down from last night, you know, a lot of emotions. And a lot of people let down actually by that third part of the reunion. But we have a quick check in within the city, which is a nice little reprieve. And we got a little bit of a bullshit sprinkled in there with those idiots. But for the most part, a nice little reprieve. Yeah, I feel like the show is starting to take shape. But I'm not sure that I wanted to take the shape that it's taking. I kind of wanted to take a different shape.

So I'm hoping that we'll work through some things and see where we are at the end of the season. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions yet. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma.

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spank bank what the fuck If you're new here, welcome. Jesus. Oh, boy. Yeah, I feel like this show is starting to take shape. I do think that the collective group of us that are watching this show, especially while watching the Summer House reunion and all the other things, we do have to just kind of get through the Amanda Kyle stuff.

It's just, it's so wild to watch. And we have to do our best to not get aggravated with Amanda. we have to do our best to really not care because it's all for nothing. I mean, it's a little tough to watch, like a tiny bit tough to watch. But the rest of it is just like, it's kind of useless, honestly, hearing what Amanda's thoughts are, at least for me. Now, I do think that a lot of people are going to be watching Amanda and it's like, all right, now we really understand how she moves.

I feel like my idea of Amanda is kind of set in stone at this point. Like, I don't think anything's going to change. I don't think she's going to do anything so bad that it's going to get worse. I don't think she can go any lower, but I also don't think she's going to do anything that's redeemable. So those scenes with her and Kyle, her talking about her relationship and her desire to try to make things work and go on dates and try to date each other,

it's just really useless to me. And I don't think that there's a whole lot that they can do, at least for this season. I'm still holding out hope that we can try to minimize that a little bit and give the rest of the crew a little bit more camera time because we're going to be completely divested in this by like the seventh episode. Yeah, exactly, because this is a different show. Right.

This is not the West and Amanda show that Summerhouse has been for this season. And I wanted to be a different show because I like a lot of these cast members. I think they have a great show here. Like I do think they have a really good cast. I think it's a great premise. We've been wanting to go in the city for a very long time. We're finally there. Those scenes I don't get as heated in this by any means.

It's more just kind of like a lot of eye rolls and like, oh, God. Like I think if anything, it's easier to digest, obviously, than what we've been doing in Summerhouse. But it's just so fake that it's not even worth getting riled up over. It's a good glimpse. Like, if you can take it for what it is and apply it to what we already know from Summerhouse, you can really kind of get a grasp of who this person is. And that's kind of how I'm taking it.

The other scenes are so delightful for the most part that I don't get bogged out. I'm like, all right, let's get through this real quick. Let me hear what bullshit she's going to say to Kyle, try to paint him. She's trying to set the whole entire thing up so that he looks like. like the asshole at the end of everything, which is so funny and we'll talk about it. But yeah, I don't get that emotionally triggered, if you will, on those scenes. It's more just like eye rolls and scoffing. Like, dude, Jesus.

Like, that's all that. Like, dude, Jesus, come on. I think we also are coming from a completely different place than the mass audience just because we talk about it so much and we have talked about it so much that watching it happened now is just like, whatever. Okay. Like, yeah, this is this is kind of what we thought you were doing. So now to see it, it's not like I'm, it confirms all of our suspicions that we're, you know,

we hit the nail on the head. We're really excited that we were right or anything. It's just like, all right. Can we? It confirms that we know who she is. Like that part is is helpful. It's like, all right. It's not satisfying, though.

It's not fair. I thought it was. Oh, okay. All right. So yeah, as long as you get something from it, that's, you know, that's why we're a team here because I'm getting absolutely nothing from it. I don't care. I think it's also, honestly, I think it also is a test.

to the rest of the cast because like I said like I think it's taking shape but I think that they're focusing too much on the Amanda Kyle stuff so I want them to try to try to deflate that a little and they're not going to I think we just have to grin and bear it for the season because I when I look at the rest of the cast for good or for worse or bad good whatever they're good like I know it looks promising like all of the other scenes that we see we get to learn more about Andrea and I'm not talking about his life I'm not talking about him and Lexi and their marriage I'm talking about how he actually reacts in real situations because I think this episode was a good glimpse of what Andrea can bring to a show that isn't what he was on Summerhouse. I mean, on Summerhouse, he was just an absolute delight.

He is pretty much, you know, what we thought for a while was just like a marble statue in Italy that was brought to life. And he was just forced to watch Disney movies forever. And that's kind of just where his personality came from. But I think there's obviously a lot more there. And that's the whole point of having him on this show. So I want more of Andrea. I want more of Gavin. I want more of Kenny.

I want more of Lindsay's life in the city. Like I want more of all of those things. And then it's almost like it's a, it's a bad reprieve. I don't know. What's the opposite of a reprieve? It's sort of like a depreve. A depreve.

Yeah. Yeah. So the Amanda Kyle scenes are a bit of a depreve. And then we get back to the other stuff. And I'm like, there's enough here that I know we're going to be good moving forward. Yeah. We just have to get through the Amanda Kyle stuff.

And we just, we can do that as a team, guys. Yeah, we can do it everybody. And they're not sticking on those scenes for too long. long. You know, it's not like they're really dragging it out. Yeah, but it's a major storyline. Yeah, and it's going to be, unfortunately. And it was going to be regardless of what went down, right?

Like, we're going to have to go through that anyway. But I agree with you. Seeing this other side of Andre is awesome. And I knew that he would rise to the occasion. I didn't have any doubts. We just haven't really seen it before. So, yeah, this is a totally different light that we're seeing him. And I really love Lexi.

I think she's great. She seems very polished for someone that's kind of newer to reality TV. And I'll say that kind of about everybody. I'm surprised that the majority of these cast members, they seem comfortable on camera. It doesn't seem like we're having a lot of growing pains. The only growing pains, and these are fun growing pains to watch,

is people realizing that they're on reality TV. Yeah. So when Kyle brings up this shit and talks about what Kenny said, and he's like, dude, what the hell? It's like, oh, no, this is different than we were just friends. You're on reality TV. So if you tell me things, I'm going to tell everyone else these things.

So watching people learn that is always fun. But yeah, I think that it's a surprisingly polished cast for a new cast. Yeah, plus it's New York City, and we already know enough about their friends in the city. And depending on who kind of takes center stage, you can just keep refilling roster spots over and over and over again. Like there's never going to be a shortage of an interesting person that you can throw in there. And if it doesn't work, you just dump them and go to the next.

Yeah, seriously. I weirdly enough, I do think it's way more, actually not weirdly enough. I think it's pretty obvious. It is way more difficult to find a good, real housewife of New York than it is to just find a plug and play on an ensemble cast like this. So I think that there's just the sky's the limit. I mean, it can be incredibly interesting as long as we don't have a weird downfall like we saw on the West Coast.

Agreed. Yeah. And I think the tone already is just wildly different than that of the Valley. Like season one in the Valley and from then on, and I, I'm curious if this was always the goal with that show is to be dark and raw and all that. And we're not going to talk about the Valley right now. But I wonder if Jacks and all that shit pop it off in the first season just sent it in that direction. They're like, well, let's just double and triple down on this shit because it's getting a lot of views.

I don't know. Yeah. But the counterpart in New York, we've said it every single week. It's just, I'll quote, Danny Pellegrino once again. It's aspirational. Like it's fun. These apartments are sick. These bars are cool.

I want to see where they're going. I want to see where they're hanging out. It's lively. It's emphatic. They're all emphatic. I like that. But let's jump into this episode because we start out where we left off last week. And that's Kenny and Whitney for a conversation about Kyle bringing up the spark thing.

And I, first of all, I feel really bad for Whitney. No matter where she goes, she catches strays left and right. It's just all about how Kenny's not really into the. relationship. Even Gavin, who's supposed to be like Kenny's ride or die, calls her boring to her face. But in this moment, Kenny's trying to like walk his way out of this situation, backtrack. And he's like, look, the conversation with Kyle was to point out that like, I can't believe he started it out like this. I used to be like a storybook mindset. Now I think about like a lifelong commitment. I have a hard time getting excited about it. Oh, good, because I

just moved into your apartment from California. That's what I want to hear. And look, the spark isn't there, but the spark is the spark is there. The spark is a that's the wrong word, right? It's not that we don't have a spark. We have a spark. It's good energy. We have good.

He's fucking spiraling. He has no idea what to say. And that was very fun to watch. Yeah, it is a lot of fun to watch. I think when it comes to Kenny, I feel like because we cover so many shows of dudes being assholes that I'm actually, I'm tired of doing it.

I'm tired of just like hammering into it. that I'm just going to look at him and be like, you know what, you're not as bad as Jacks. You're not as bad as like some of the other guys that we've had to cover like Danny on the West Coast either. You're just kind of an asshole. And that's okay because it looks like you've got what you need to be good on reality TV. I want to see where you go and that's enough for me. So I find him very funny and watching him spiral.

And like I'm not thinking of the real world implications of like, all right, now I have to feel bad for Whitney. And I have to be like, you know what? They're adults. Let them figure it out. So I'm just going to make fun of you and have a great. time doing it and watching you spiral and slowly realize like, oh shit, like, yeah, I guess I did say spark.

So let me at least focus on that. So at least he's not denying that he never said anything about a spark. He's just saying it was misinterpreted, which is probably the best route to go here. And I don't even think weirdly enough. I don't think that he doesn't feel like there's a spark. I think what he's trying to figure out is how do I go about this and saying like, I feel like we were kind of stretched thin while we were long distance. And now that you're here, there's a lot of overwhelming components of you moving in and us figuring things out in the growing pains.

But I am excited to see where this goes. Otherwise, I wouldn't have asked you to move in with me. Like, I think that's probably what he should have said, like to just try to quell some sort of Whitney fears. I don't know. But instead, he's just like, fuck, Kyle, God damn it. Why are they talking about me? And how did this come about? And Whitney doesn't know any better either.

She's like, well, you know, I heard from the rest of the women who talked to their husbands, who talked to the other guys in the group. but they were all talking about it. And that's all he's focused on now. He's got a singular focus now at the end of all of this. He does something very funny along the way, which I know you're really excited to bring up. So I'm going to let you bring it up. He goes along this long road and he just comes to the destination of,

I can't believe they're talking about me, which to an extent I get. I do feel like you and Whitney. I think at the bare minimum, you and Whitney have a weird target on your backs where you're a new couple. She just moved in and all the girls got in her ear right away. And they're like, why did you move across the country if you don't think that you guys are going to get engaged soon? It's like, well, let them figure it out in the real world in a reality show.

Yeah, that is a talking point. So go for it. And that's the thing that we're going to slowly piece together. I feel like over time, it's just going to take a while to get there. Yeah. And look, I think Kenny's good TV. Like, I won't deny that. I think he's a huge asshole.

And I don't think that he's been pressed like this before, especially not on TV. And he doesn't know what to do with it. So he's trying to figure out the best way forward. And he picks a pretty bad way. forward to say to her this is not a fairy tale oh good thank you for that and then she brings up the murky thing it's like well i heard you think that our future is murky now we find out later that's not what was said yeah but he's trying to wiggle his way out and he gets an out from her because she says you know i've just been like hyper emotional lately so now he leans into that which would

have been probably enough to get him out of this he's like yeah you know you have you have and like it's the move now he turns into like the super sweet boy we haven't seen this guy yet be like this you know even when they're moving in he had to be like all right i'm sorry but now he sees an opening to be like you're right you're taking things too sensitively is kind of what he's saying towards like you and you just moved over here there's a lot going on like you just be a little overly sensitive not a big deal that's why i'm so protective of you by the way that's why i'm so fucking protective of you and you know what it's just a lot i got a lot going on and he he talks about his mother passing away and obviously sensitive subject right

and it's awful and I do obviously believe he's going through things. The two times this has been brought up are both in times where he was getting pressed. Yeah. That, that, that, you guys know what to say. Doesn't bode well. Thank you. It's like kind of, itchy. Like you're using that in this moment.

I don't, I don't know. And like if he's being honest, I feel like a dick and I'll, I'll take that one. But it just seemed interesting timing that the second time he's kind of in hot water, he goes back to that. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, look, I don't think you can use this play too often. He's already used it twice. I don't think he can do it again, but he will.

He definitely will. And we'll call it out when that happens again. But I do think he's being serious. I just think that he's probably one of those guys that has no fucking clue how to talk about his emotions. And when he's talking about how he went sort of off the rails after his mom passed away, and then it was his birthday and he didn't get a call from his mom. Like, I felt for the guy for a second. But then he's trying to equate that to him and Whitney and why there's no spark.

And I'm like, just leave it at that, brother. Just, just, you know, just cut it off right there. Like, I don't think you need to try to circle back to really close the loop and be like, you know what? That's why. At the end of the day, that's why I'm feeling the way that I'm feeling. It's almost like we're watching him actually think about his feelings for the first time. And he's a robot.

And he's like, feelings. Hmm, where do I start? Okay. So it started here. And, oh, my God. And then I'm back where I was. Holy shit. Yeah, that's what it is. Okay. Like, I think he genuinely believes that.

And I think he probably pieced that together for himself mentally in this scene and we watched it. It was just a train wreck of a scene to watch because watching him get there was very funny for me. But also a little troubling, I guess, if you're on the side of like, what did Whitney just get herself into? I don't know anything about Whitney yet. So I'm not going to, I'm not on her side yet necessarily. I'm just enjoying the show. I think I am starting to be on hers. I just feel bad because all she wants.

And like, this is where I really. question Kenny, all she wants is to be excited about the move. That's it. She's not asking for a ring. Everyone else is talking about. She hasn't brought it up. And Kenny is so focused on other people talking about him that he's in turn almost confirming what they're saying to Whitney.

I don't think he realizes that's what he's doing because she wants to hear from you that this is a fairy tale. And if you want to take the honest route, that's fine to figure out how to say it. Figure out how to say, look, it's a big step. I'm excited to see where we go, but there's a lot of moving parts. So let's see, let's see where this goes. I'm excited to move in with you. You haven't said that yet.

The only time you said that is when you made her cry when she was moving her shit into your apartment. And here you are now saying that, oh, it's not a fairy tale. So relax, Whitney, fucking chill out. But yeah, wild scene. He is an interesting character. Well, we get to Kyle and Amanda's apartment and it's Lindsay and Amanda. And obviously there's a lot you could read.

into here as she's apartment hunting. She had one originally. The funny thing is now, like this is how I'm watching these seeds. I don't believe anything she says anymore. So when she says the apartment fell through, I'm like, it probably didn't. You probably found the one your lease. I was like, you know what? I'm going to do that instead.

Her demeanor kind of tells me everything I need to know. Like we saw it during the summer. She was already checked out. Now it's even further because she sees an out. She's like, oh my God, I actually can get separated from this guy. And at this juncture, he's still the villain. I'm sitting pretty. I can go hang out with West whenever I want.

He can come over to my apartment. We can sit on my couch and watch TV together. That's so exciting. Have you talked to Kyle about this one year at least? No. Did I get to him to weigh in on it? No. But I talked to him about it.

Yeah. Oh, thank you for clarifying that we get it. Like it's not his choice to make. But watching this whole thing and then watching what we saw later, I had the understanding that this was a group project between the two of them. They're taking these steps to hopefully figure out a way forward. That's not what she's doing. That's what Kyle's doing.

But she's laying a lot of ground rules that she doesn't have to adhere to, which I think is interesting if you actually were trying to make this whole thing, you're not trying to make it work. And that's why we can see the cracks in this whole plan. but the indignation is kind of crazy to me at this at this point where we're at because you got the emotions out you said everything you needed to say everything went down the way it did over summer we still don't know about west right now but you're telling us at home you're telling kyle that you want this whole thing to work out but as you're packing up your shit there's no

emotion whatsoever you're laughing smiling having a good time kyle walks in lindsay tries to be respect for you're like i'm not doing this in hiding let's back up my shit let me get the hell out of here that's just a vibe it's an overall vibe and i think it kind of tells you everything you need to know especially when you pair it with what we now know yeah no i think she probably just got the idea in her head maybe that apartment did fall through and then she started looking again and just said you know what it's much easier to find an apartment that's empty that has a one year lease i'm going to stop looking which again is totally fine i i don't care where you guys are in your separation like yeah you do not have to talk to kyle you guys already talked about separation you guys already talked about

you guys already talked about getting space. I do think, weirdly enough, if I'm just looking at this as itself and not everything else that happens, I think that's fine. I think it's cool. Like if you move out and you're close enough by and you guys start talking about ground rules and dating each other, if you set the expectation of I'm going to get a month to month and then maybe at the end of the month, I could see Kyle texting her and being like, how do you feel?

Do you want to come back? And then that's a lot of added pressure. So that makes a lot of sense that you would just go out and say, look, I'm going get a one one year apartment like i've got the money to do it as we found out a couple episodes ago you've got the money to go do it go furnish it go live on your own for a little bit and right now where she is she's probably thinking let's see how the separation goes if i love it as i'm loving it currently the idea of separating then there's no reason for me to get back and and again like we are working on the thesis of you guys shouldn't have gotten married in the first place so i don't agree i don't disagree with you guys

getting separated and getting divorced now so if that's where you're going that's where you're going that's fine, but it's all of the weird shady business along the way. Like, just be honest about that because we know that's what you're thinking. We know that's where you're coming from. And I'd have a little bit of respect. Obviously right now, we don't have a ton of respect for Amanda. But in that scene, I'd be like, okay, thank you for telling the truth. Thank you for actually saying how you felt and what you want to do for the next couple of months at least. And then you'll figure it out. Like that's that, that makes total sense to me. It's just that when she starts spinning it into, well, you know, that one fell through and there's just no, no apartment in

a city that it's going to work. It doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense. Of course, you can find something. And by the way, I'm sure you're friends with real estate agents. I mean, me as a fucking real estate agent, she could probably find you one in two seconds if you just went that road. But she doesn't want to.

She's just not interested in it. And just be honest about that. And we would have a little respect for you. Instead, we're just here guessing about your intentions. Yeah. And, you know, looking at it through the lens of they're trying to figure this thing out, I'm not saying that Kyle has to okay your move. You don't have to have him lay in, but you're saying two different things.

And this is just her MO now, as we know, you're saying to him, I want to figure this out. I want to date. I want to have fun. I would do this, want to do that. Your actions tell a totally different story because I get where you're coming from as far as like, you know, I'm loving it right now. I'm assuming I'm going to continue to love it. I'm going to get a one year lease.

But to me, a one year lease tells me everything I need to know. You get a six month lease. You get a five month lease. you can go month to month. These are all options that are definitely available in fucking New York City. So I agree with you if that was the intention, but the intention that she's trying to lay out there is that she wants to make this work. No, you don't.

And don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining once again because none of it makes sense. What you're saying to Kyle, what you want to allegedly happen, the route forward that you're trying to set up. Your emotions while you're talking about it. Your emotions while you're talking. None of it. And that does not make any sense. And then you learn what's going on probably currently because her and West are going

on dinner dates at this point. It's September, October. We know they're going on dates. We've got Instagram pictures. He's in Miami with her, like all of that stuff. So you're telling him that he can't date anybody.

He's not single. He's going to wear his ring. I got to do this, got to do that. But you're fucking his best friend or at very least having an emotional affair with him. Icky. That's yucky. You're lying.

You're a big, you're a big liar. That's what you are. And we see through it. But see, not like a visceral reaction to this stuff. Because it's just, it's an Iro. It's an Iro like,

Jesus Christ. You're, you're just such a fucking liar. But let's get to Nick and Yvonne. Nick's a interesting character. I can't put a finger on him yet. But he, his job is cool.

Yeah, I like his job a lot. Furniture. Yeah, I think it's awesome. It's like madman era style furniture. and he's got a lot of big clients. He can't tell us about.

I can't tell Yvonne about, which Yvonne seemed a little perturbed by him. He's like, wait, what? He's like, yeah, you have no idea who I make furniture for, lady. But Yvonne, meanwhile, is going through her own thing. She was the VP for marketing or one of like the biggest hospitality groups in the world. She got laid off. I thought she was saying it in a way where she's like, yeah, it was really tough for the first time.

I don't have my phone ringing. But it's actually apparently a good thing because she's like, I don't have to check my phone anymore. But it all comes back to one thing. topic, which is kind of a topic in multiple families on this show is kids. Are we going to have kids? Clock's ticking, blah, blah, blah. Nick had apparently told her, like, yeah, we're going to have kids. And now he's kind of pussyfooting around, not really sure he wants to do.

I'm on, I'm team Yvonne here. You know, you're 39. Like, we got to move, Nick. Let's go, dude. Yeah. I mean, at least do the thing that we've seen, like freeze your eggs, do all of those things. Like, at least set those intentions.

I mean, you're already, yeah, you're already married. It's not like we're watching, you know, a couple that's been engaged for six years and they won't go and tie the knot and they won't do this. Now they're talking about kids where it's a whole mess. It's more just like, okay, I get it. But, you know, you lost your job and I'm really busy over here. And I just don't know if we have the time. Like, obviously, I'd be a good dad, but do I have the time to be the dad that I want to be? It just doesn't seem like they're putting those conversations together.

Yeah. And I think, again, I don't. think they're having those deep conversations. And this could be a good thing. We talk about this all the time. The power of reality TV. Sometimes it's really fucking bad for a marriage. Sometimes it can be good.

Maybe it'll force them to have conversations like we watched here. And then they'll further down the road, they'll figure out what they want to do because of reality TV. And then we can take the credit. Yeah, we've seen the catharsis of reality TV. It works sometimes. Most of the time it doesn't, but there are moments where it does work. Kyle and Amanda would have gotten divorced a long time ago.

But if it wasn't for summer. Yep, exactly. They had to show up for summer. But if they had to live in the city by themselves and actually work on their marriage while Kyle was working on lover boy and decided to be a DJ at one point, they would have never actually gotten married. They would have broken up well before them. Yep. And we would have avoided this whole mess. But anyway, we get to Lindsay, Lexi, and Andrea.

And again, baby fever here. Andrea is ready to be at dad. I'm glad that he said the, you know, I don't care if it's a boy or a girl. I always appreciate that. I get so annoyed by those gender reveals and it's a girl and the dad's like, oh, my gets upset. It's like your daughter's going to see that someday,

you piece of shit. But anyway, they got baby fever. Dendor annoy me in general. Sure. Yeah. I mean, that's fair.

But I, that I'm already annoyed and then I'm getting even more. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot. Extra. And then remember the one where the plane crashed and the guy died? I thought that was on.

I'm pretty sure that was fake. I'm pretty sure. I don't think so. to be big. I got to look it up. With the balloons? No. Well, why do you go look it up and we'll take a little ad break while you go look it up? That's a good time.

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Was it real? Was it real? Was it real? Do you forget that quickly What we were just talking about? Oh yeah, sorry. I'm an idiot. My bad. My bad.

I got sidetracked while I was doing. I'm just trying to help you. I honestly probably should have just let you go because it seemed like you had already forgotten. Mexico gender reveal party pilot dies after plane crash. That was real. Oh, man. Yeah. God, I hope they're ready for all the balloons down there at the World Cup.

It wasn't balloons. It was flying over and it just took a weird turn and dough. So whatever you saw might have been fake, but this was a different one. Like the plane had the pink smoke in it, came down. does like a barrel roll over the fence and just boom yeah crazy these are reveals are dangerous guys yeah but back to daniel and owen your faves uh these two i mean you know they're talking about kale and organizing the fridge and then they talk about amanda yeah like obviously if anyone has a bone to pick with amanda i would say daniel does like she was the she clocked her way way back so

I'll give her credit for that. But now Owen's trying to navigate reality TV, which he's never really done. He's like, just do a little for some text. It's like, yeah, do that. See how that goes. See the response you get by trying to do a little for some text. It's not going to go well because they don't, they don't respect Danielle. It's like, no.

We're going to see that throughout the season when apparently in the group chat between Kyle and Amanda and some others, there was an article that said she was a homewrecker because Owen was separated from his wife, whatever. We're pretty sure that it's exactly what they said. He probably got separated. They started dating, whatever article comes out,

and they sent it in the group chat. We're going to see that play out later. So she's got a bone to pick with her. Amanda doesn't really give a shit about Danielle. So it's going to be interesting to watch this one play out, I guess. I don't really know what's going to happen. I'm going to end up being team Danielle somehow.

It's just it's written in written in stone at this point. there's nothing I can really do. Yeah, it's written in the stars for me. I should have known that as soon as this season started and I went on my Danielle spree. But if you're up against demand, I'm probably going to be on your team. And I agree with you. I do think that the timeline, one, doesn't fucking matter. Like who gives a shit? All the things that we see on reality TV, you find out that a guy who's not on reality TV got separated. Maybe the timelines cross over a little bit. Like, who cares at the end of the day? They're together. And now they get to just say, fuck you because they're pregnant and Kyle and Amanda obviously are in a terrible place.

So eventually they do wit. It's just going to be funny to see how they navigate through this season because Amanda doesn't care. She really doesn't care. She's never cared about Danielle. She never cared about being friends with her. She immediately clocked her for somebody that she didn't want to be around and she just treated her like that the whole time.

Whereas we've seen the ebbs and flows that usually happen on Summerhouse. You start off like Paige and Lindsay didn't like each other. They're now best friends. So like it that's how it's supposed to work, but it was never going to work that way. And Amanda is the common denominator for that. She never really moves off of these weird topics. So that's going to be interesting to watch. I do also love they're just like, hey, and Danielle does a pretty good job of not making like pretty much not putting her foot in her mouth right away, which I think she will eventually.

But she's still on a good path with Lindsay. You haven't said anything bad about her since you had the clear up brunch. Since then you've been good. Continue down that road and nobody's going to have problems. And if they do have problems, they'll be fabricated. can stand on that and say watch the show and you may end up having lindsay defend you a little bit in that article thing like i wouldn't be shocked if she's like well that is kind of fucked up and takes your side and might see a bridge forward who knows but i was not expecting to see dustin lynch

on this show i've been to like two concerts that he opened at one and i i forgot what the other one was but i've seen him live twice randomly and didn't expect me to drop in on in the city i didn't think that you would you wouldn't like him but i i i don't think that you would you wouldn't like him but i i I think he's great. But they're hanging out. Lindsay and him had met because he was supposed to play at Carl Lindsay's wedding. That fell through. And I have to know what happened after that because a month later,

they went on a date. And allegedly she met him at a concert. She was in the tailgate. How did that get set up? Because if Dustin sent a text, Dustin's a little messy. He's like, hey, I heard you broke up with your fiancée. say, what's up? You want to come to a concert?

I hope that's what happens. Me too. I hope and pray that's what happened just for the sake of this show, especially if he's going to be on it, which he says himself, he doesn't really have a ton of free time when he's not to worry, when he's not doing something else. He doesn't really like to go out unless Lindsay's in town. And we know Lindsay has Hubhouse down there in Nashville. I'm sure a few of our listeners have stopped by there.

It looked fairly nice. But yeah, I hope that's how it worked out now in my brain. Lindsay was doing like an endorsement. She had an influencer deal where she had VIP. tickets and she was behind the stage and talking to different people and then talked to him and said oh hey yeah funny enough you were supposed to play at the wedding that I was supposed to have but we broke up

and now I'm single and I've got a baby and then they started hitting it off from there so that's probably what happens but I would love it if it's what you said yeah me too that would be so fun if Dustin Lynch is getting messy out of nowhere bring him back when Carl's on the show and see if we can get some sparks flying that'd be a lot of fun but Carl

Carl would just be best friends with him immediately absolutely where Carl is I don't think anything's going to disrupt that. No, which is great. That's our sober king. But I just love single Lindsay. Single Lindsay's so much fun. She's so good for reality TV.

She's just such a joy to watch. So I'm really enjoying her whole storyline this season. But back to Kyle and Amanda. Now they're going to lunch or something. This is them trying to date. And this is her giving her speech of you. I wanted to find some more furnished month to month. It was too difficult to find.

The plan's the same. We're going to reconnect. That's the whole goal here. We're not dating other people. We're not seeing other people except for our friends. If you're fucking one of our friends, you can hang out with them. Okay, that's fine. But you can't meet anybody new.

And I, going to her confessionals where she's trying to convince us, you know, in my delusional little mind, this could actually work. Honestly, yeah. If you actually were trying, it might actually work. But you've got two feet out the door in a one-year lease in New York City. It's so tough to watch. Like laying out the plan that probably your therapist laid out. Now, obviously you've tweaked it a little bit.

Your therapist probably just recommended maybe living separately for a little while. You then went, hey, why or got the one-year lease? You're trying to lay out these ground rules. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on. It's just so weird. And it gets even we've watched them at the reunion last night. night where he hugged her and she was she hugged him like she yeah but like he was going in for a hug he was getting pretty close he wanted some comfort and whatever i don't know just touch obviously

they had 10 years and he's more upset about the fact that you know they were 10 years together and all we're talking about is the bad things so when we're going through these ground rules of like will i still have a key and she's like no you'll come to my door man and ask to be let up i don't want that i don't want to have a key yeah but then she was like i i have a key and i'm going to keep my keys, but I also will let you know when I'm coming over because I don't want to walk in on you jerking off. I'm like, what is going on with all of this? Give him the key back. Yeah, like you shouldn't have a key if he doesn't get a key. If he gets a key, then you get a key. that's how it works. That's how a tandem is going to work on this whole thing. Instead, I'm like,

I think she even has mixed feelings where she doesn't know it. And you know what? It probably just stems from her insecurity of not really knowing what she's going to do. And that's why she ended up falling in with West very quickly because she doesn't have that courage, that bravery, to go out on her own. She just falls back into what's comfortable and what she knows. So I think he's got this all of this life ahead of her. And she's looking at it. She's like, wow, that was a really big move for me to just go ahead and sign a lease for a one-year apartment, try to figure out living life on my own in New York City that I haven't done in 10 years. What am I going to do? I've got all this ahead of me. I'm actually kind of scared.

I'm going to keep the key. I still think we should be at each other's apartments two to three nights a week. We should still be dating. And I'm like, I do think you're like kind of mashing a of different weird theories about how to go about this together and you think it sounds good and you're saying all the right things but at the end of the day I don't think that you want to be with him and unfortunately for Kyle watching him like he'll take anything like you give him like a scrap of food and he's like yeah all right yeah yeah the dates make sense like I'll have a key to your apartment too like we can come over and hang out there and I'm going to venture out to say they probably spent more time at Kyle's place because it's just already there they probably

didn't spend any time in Amanda's place. No, because West stuff was there and it would have blown their cover. But yeah, it's bizarre to watch her lay out these ground rules and stipulations. And it's different for her than it is for him. And like I get we're currently in a space where it's like Kyle is the problem. We know now that he was not the only problem in this marriage. It was a two-way street. And that's something that we all have gathered with everything that came out.

But during this whole thing, like you said, you're saying, five different things and mashing them into one weird obscure idea, that doesn't make any actual sense. The only reason it's working is because Kyle's so distraught and like you said, it'll take anything you can get. But if you're really trying to connect and everything and you're trying to date and have fun, all you keep doing is bringing up the apartment and bring up the fact that you're moving out. That to me doesn't say that,

hey, let's figure this out and go on a date and have fun. It's let me remind you that I'm getting the fuck out of there. My new apartment's in the JP Morgan building. do you really think he wants to talk about that? Like, that doesn't make sense to me there. And then the more that they talk about this whole thing with the ground rules, you know, he has his wedding band on. She doesn't have hers on.

She's like laughing about it. But she lays out the date night ground rules at each other's places twice a week. We're going to go to therapy. Well, in this the last two weeks. In the past, I would have thought that was Kyle. I don't think Amanda's been going. And that again, you're saying one thing, but you're doing a totally different thing. You don't want this.

And the inauthentic approach that's happening right now, knowing especially what we know now, and we do have hindsight. But even without that, I think I'd watch these scenes. Like, why are you lying to his face at this point? Like, it's all you, the only way I can put it, and she proves it by saying, I just don't want to lose you, like I really don't. I believe that. But I think she wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants the safety blanket of Kyle. and she wants to go out on her own and live her life.

I think that we would feel icky watching these scenes if we didn't know what was going on now. I think that we'd be kind of not turning a blind up, but we'd be covering our eyes watching this because it would just be tough to watch. And again, like we would be looking at it like Kyle, you're the aggressor. You kind of just get whatever Amanda says.

But then we'd question a couple of the things that Amanda was doing, but we'd still come back to the fact that it's just sad to watch. We don't like watching these things. We agreed that it should happen. You guys should get divorced. But it doesn't mean that I really want to watch it. I don't want to watch it transpire. And now I'm almost thankful that all of that shit popped off because I feel just kind of nothing during this.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. That's just kind of indifferent and gross at the same time. It's a strange feeling. But let's go to the bar and Georgina just continues to shine. You know, the fact that she had a patient and did a biopsy to see if they had cancer. cancer. She's like, oh, let me go get you a bandit for your boo-boo. Damn it. I mean, let me go get you a bandage. I'll be right back. Fuck. But Dustin is there. He's hanging with Lindsey and Yvonne and we get more information about their dating situation. You know,

because of touring, he's not around like we already talked about. He's a big science guy, which I actually did know that he was kind of a nerd, which is kind of funny. But Kenny and Gavin arrive. Gavin's a fucking weirdo, by the way. This dude is as strange as shit, especially the last scene. Now, bizarre. Great for TV, but fucking bizarre. But Kenny says, Whitney's got an event. She's got an event. She's not going to make it. She's making videos. She doesn't have an event. So then I have to question, okay, did you tell her not to go? Because I think you told her to sit this one out. And I think that's weird. Like the way that you move, Kenny's kind of weird. I think that you told her not to come out tonight. That's the vibe I got. I know I'm going to sound like a Kenny

apologist at some point, but I don't know if it was, because I just keep coming back to Whitney. And I know she's having a hard time being friends with everybody and breaking into the group. So maybe she is like, it is one of those situations where it's like, hey, I need to go and talk to these people that I know and bring up the fact that they're talking about us. And if you're there, I think you're going to get pretty emotional and upset about this. And I don't think that's what you want. So maybe stay home and sit this one out. let me handle it maybe it was one of those things like i again i don't know enough i don't have enough

information that's fair and again i i don't want to just check the box of like oh he's just like every other dude like i think he's clumsy with all the shit that he does and obviously i think he's he's an asshole i'll check that box yeah i know but like i'm not willing to do it just because we've had so many terrible dudes recently that i just want to be able to enjoy one of them like one asshole on tv i want to be able to enjoy you being on tv and not be like oh dude's like you're a hate you're i'm a man hater now like like all of a sudden. I don't want that. So I'm trying to figure out what what what's the best course of action here. Maybe that's what he was trying to do because he did come in on a war path. He did come in with the intention of I know who's going to be here. I know who was talking about it. I think he thought

Kyle was going to be there too. So when Kyle wasn't there, they kind of threw him through a loop and he had to just kind of turn his sights to like everybody else that he knows was talking about it. So when he starts off and he's he's not even talking because Andre is not there yet or Andre is talking to somebody else. He's over on the corner. But he's talking to the other women in the group. because he knows that Whitney had talked to them. So he's kind of retracing the steps almost and saying like, hey, I'm pretty upset.

Like it sounds like everybody's talking about the fact that I had a conversation with Kyle and it got back to Whitney. And now Whitney's upset and she's saying that we don't have a spark anymore. And I think that the relationship's going to be murky moving forward and all of these things. And they're like, well, I mean, and Lexi takes center stage, which I was, I was happy to see. I want to see more as those two. Yeah, it's a good move.

Yeah, it's a good move. Lexi's stepping in and saying, look, I mean, I talked to Andrea. he heard a conversation about you and Kyle and that's pretty much what happens like that's what we heard so we don't want her we know she's already a little vulnerable moving to New York City we want to be able to sit down and let her know what we heard that other people were talking about it

it wasn't like a whisper down the land eventually but it wasn't like we were gossiping we wanted to bring it to her attention because everybody else was talking about it and I think that's the right move honestly by Lexi I always thought that was the right move with her and Georgina sitting down and talking about this because everybody else was talking about it so there's no issue there it is turning into a whisper down the lane though and it's not the same whisper down the lane it's

just english isn't andrea's first language and i think that was on full display here because he didn't really get the murky wasn't part of it that's just what he thought right away so when we get him involved it kind of shines a light on that and i think it could be squashed honestly but i think the kenny's big issue is what i talked about before since day one of filming we're talking about me and whitney together why are we doing this he just can't really formulate that Yeah, and, you know, that's fine. But like for him to stand there and he finds a way to wiggle out and that's the murky comment. I didn't say that.

No, you didn't say that, but you did say the spark thing. And you're giving other people a lot of shit for repeating something that you had said. You are the one that said. And no, it was not misinterpreted. And I was going that route. He tells Whitney that too. And I felt so bad for what she's talking to Gavin about. It's like, well, it's taken out of context.

It's like, oh, no, it wasn't. It's exactly what he said. It's verbatim what he said. So I'll check the box of him being a piece of shit because he's trying to gaslight everybody there and use the murky thing as an out. No, he didn't say murky. And that is a step further, right? Because it goes from Spark and then it's questioning the whole future. But to me, that's what it implies.

And I think that's what Andrea was trying to get to. But again, you got a little frazzled. It kind of got lost in the sauce. But at the end of the day, Kenny, you said it. bro and yeah in normal times you wouldn't expect your friend to go and tell everybody that you said that you're in a sparkless hopeless you would imagine kyle would go back to a mom maybe not a manned anymore you would imagine kyle would go to a confidant and say yeah i don't really know what's a what's what the vibe is with kenny and and whitney moving in together because

he said that there's no spark and he's not really excited anymore maybe i'll just wait a couple a week and just check back in with them. Maybe he didn't really mean that. Maybe they're overwhelmed. Like, that's how normal circumstances probably would have played out. But again, we're watching people who haven't been on reality TV before navigate being on reality TV. Like to Kyle, it's second nature. Like, oh, yeah. I also have a dinner with Andrea and Nick tomorrow night. I'm clearly going to bring up this conversation on camera and start spreading it around. And then everybody's going to talk about it. That's how this works. And that's why I personally, I don't think it, I think it could have been resolved here and now. I really do. I think that Kenny probably could have done a good job of just telling

Andre like, hey, I didn't say that. And I don't want Whitney going back home and now questioning our future because of something that was misinterpreted and just focus on the murky comment. Instead, he focuses on the murky comment, you know, as like you said, as a way to get out of it and just say like, oh, this whole thing is bullshit. You guys are making up words, which there is a middle ground here that we both could have gotten to. Instead, he decided to go the other way because he that's probably how he operates and we'll see more of it it's not going to work though so i want him to retool a little bit yeah because he as soon as murky comes out he's like there's my out i'm just going to hammer this home and then claim that all you're doing is using buzzwords you're

picking certain words to use using it out of context that's what drives me crazy because there is no other context for i don't know if there's a spark and you're just trying to make everyone here feel crazy you're picking on the guy whose language is not, his first language is not English. That pissed me off too. Because he's like, you don't even know what you're talking about. It's like,

don't do that. He's actually not that far off. He just jumped to a conclusion because that's what you implied. Kenny. So no, I'm out on Kenny. I think he's great TV. Do not get me wrong.

I think that he's phenomenal TV. But I do think he's an asshole. And I think that he's used to moving a certain way. He's on TV now. We've seen this a million times. And I don't know if he's as bad. I'm not going to chalk him up to a West. or anything like that.

No, no. But, but like, yeah, dude, you got caught. You got caught and now you're trying to gaslight the rest of the group. And I love that Lexi stood up for Andreanne. I was like, no, it's not gossip. He's my husband. We talk about everything. We have conversations.

He came to me with the conversation. This was what he thought was happening. I agree with you. It could have just been as simple as, oh, you didn't say that. I thought you did. I thought that was the implication. My bad. But it does not absolve the spark.

And I love, I wish we had a word counter of, spark this episode. I know. Yeah. It was just, oof. There's a lot of sparking going on back and forth. A lot of sparking going on. But I did like watching Andre get activated. And he's like, I'm going to fucking leave. And he does. He actually just straight up bounces. And then Kenny again gets to have this moment of like, yeah, see? And that that pissed me off too. But you know, it's, it's good TV. At the end of the day, despite where you may fall on this matter, it's good TV. And that's the most important thing. Yeah. So let's go to. Oh, well, before we go there, I do need to talk about Gavin because, you know, Gavin's just climbing on

to anything that Kenny says. He's running his mouth. He's not running his mouth. Yes, he is. He is. Like, where did Gavin come from right here? And then he's like, yeah, he's being fucking ridiculous. I'm like, what are you doing?

What are you the hype man? Their friendship is so unclear. It is so unclear to me. Like I thought it was- Gavin wants to bang him. Yeah, maybe. I think that they spent so much time together being single guys in New York. like obviously there is some there's there's definitely a touch of insecurity like oh fuck my bro is

gone what am i going to do well i've got all these restaurants i guess i can just hang out there so i do think that he kind of misses his friend and he wants to do it but then he's like blindly following him and getting involved in his shit but then he's also talking bad about him i do think that he probably thought when murky was immediately discredited that he was thinking oh fuck so all of this is made up well that's kind of fucked up let me get his back because the last scene kind of confirms that as soon as he finds out that spark was actually said he's like dude what the fuck but then he goes a completely different level so that that instant realization i'm like oh okay so that kind of explains your behavior while we were out the night prior but once you hear

about that you go so far the other way i have no idea what to make of you i there's a lot of sexual tension is all i can say a lot of sexual tension there between those two but let's go to She, or trash can pong at that, the yard or whatever it was. And we get an update about Dustin. We don't know if they point. That was what we thought was going to happen according to Lindsay, but it might have just been a makeout. She invited him up to his play or her place.

Who knows? But she's quote unquote just having fun. But Yvonne even says, like, she wants to find her person. We all know that she wants to find her person. She's not not trying to go this whole life alone. I do know that she wants to find love. And she deserves to find love. I agree with Devon.

She's going to find that person. That person might have just gotten out of a 10-year relationship. Are you doing that? I don't know. They're pretty cute when Kyle was giving her a piggyback. They make a lot of sense to me. They make a lot of sense to me. But I don't know.

I don't know if she could put up with his shit, honestly. I think you also have a bad track record now of shipping people. So I maybe just lay low for a little bit. Yeah, no, no. You got to double down, dude. Just got double that. It's not a double at this point. One of them's going to hit.

One of them's going to hit. And then I'll be like, I told you so, but I don't know if it counts because I just, I make guesses all the time. They very rarely, they haven't actually had down. The West and Sierra one,

I think you should sit out for like six months. Everybody did that in the beginning of the season until everything came out. All right. I'm not, I'm on an island there. On everyone. I'm not on Love Island over here. But they're talking about Kenny.

And, And, you know, Whitney hasn't checked in with the group, really. And they're assuming, and I'm sure that we'll get this seat, and I'm sure it's exactly what it sounds like. I mean, we pretty much got it with Gavin at the end where it's like, Kenny probably flipped the entire story. You know, he took on Andrea. The word murky came up.

He got stuck on that. But as they say in this moment, it all started with the spark. And we've now seen multiple instances of Kenny not being able to stay on point and making the situation worse where it could have been squashed. If he had started off that dinner in the beginning of the episode just said, you know, look, there's a lot happening. Whatever, we already talked about that. It's a different story, but he didn't do that. He said it's not a fairy tale and made a lot of weird references. Now with the murky thing, he was so excited to find a way out of that thing. They just hammered the murky thing home. So he still is under the gun because they can just say

you haven't addressed the spark of it all. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I think that there, I think they have every right to question the whole thing. I do agree. I don't know why their relationship has taken center stage so early on. Like that is an interesting thing. Like you guys don't really know them that well. So I'm curious. It's bizarre to me because I do think, and they haven't gone this route yet, the low hanging

fruit is Kyle and Amanda. Like that's what I thought we were going to talk about. It was too low. Maybe it is too low. Maybe they're all so close to Kyle and they know what he's going. through like this is a stark contrast to summerhouse where they the most most part the rest of the group is holding him accountable for his shit maybe this is a group of friends that really doesn't and they're actually looking at it like he is going through a lot with lover boy they are in the hole

he is really financially in the whole let's not pour on and talk about this whole thing let's find something else oh this girl just moved across the country let's question their relationship so i think at first it was kind of confusing and i do again i think it's just reality tv so it's fine and it's all about how you handle things. I just don't get why they started with that because I do I do think there are other things that we can get into. And aside from talking about Kenny and Whitney's relationship, there isn't a whole lot else going on.

So you would think something else would pop up. But it seems like everybody's kind of singularly focused on Kenny and Whitney. So again, that's going to exacerbate the issue. That's going to make somebody like Kenny lash out because now he thinks that everybody's up against him. But again, we wouldn't have gotten there if he had handled it differently to start off with, but he's just made the wrong move every single time. So I'm not going to go as far yet until we get more evidence to say like,

all right, Whitney's not around. He's clearly isolating her. I think it's just a lot of things moving at one time. So I'm going to wait until the end of the season to try to piece that together. But I just think that there's so much else that we can get into that we just haven't gotten into for whatever reason. Yeah.

And look, it's a new show. It's early in the season. So it's not like a reason to be concerned. But it is interesting that other stuff hasn't popped up. Weirdly enough, it's like, Danielle is going to be that person to start a new drama in the show with this Owen thing. So we'll see how that one plays out.

But in this scene with Gavin Whitney and Kenny, this is why I'm out on Kenny because of like he just does not do himself any fucking favors because he's sitting there. They're all talking. And I love that Whitney was like, oh, yeah, you got to get your spark back. I'm like, ooh, she's still upset about that whole thing. and rightfully so. And we get into all of it. And, you know, Gavin's bringing up what happened the day before. It's like, you know, murky and Spark.

Everyone's talking about that. Like, I don't know where that came from. Keny's like, well, you know, for the record, I did say it. Kenny, or Gavin's reaction, not everything he does after the fact, but that's kind of my point. He's like, oh, you did say the Spark thing? He's like, it's fucked up. Like, okay, this is a whole different conversation now, Kenny. What the fuck are you doing?

but he takes it to a totally different area. I was not ready for this at all. He's like, you know what? I think we've got to get deeper than that. But not before Kenny goes, I'm just kind of numb to marriage. I'm like jaded towards that.

I'm like, stop. Shut up. But you know what, Whitney's, that was a weird one because Whitney's reaction to him saying that wasn't what I thought was going to be. I thought it was, I think that they've had discussions about it.

And it might even be as far as to say, like, I know that he's kind of a numb to it, but we've had discussions and he's warming up to the idea. Like we, we just haven't gotten there because we're so focused on the shit that Kenny's been saying that we actually don't really know what him and Whitney talk about. We're just kind of focused on how he's treating her, how he's isolating her, how he's reacting. How he's reacting. Yeah, I know.

Everything is of his own doing. But there may very well be different components to this relationship. We're only really talking about the one thing. And it's all the shit that Kenny has said the entire time. So Gavin, yeah, I mean, Gavin, he just took it to some weird degree that I just did not see it coming by doing that. Look, hand up. I'm going to give Kenny a little bit of credit. At least he's not lying about the spark thing, too,

because that'll come back up and get me ass in a big way. He is saying like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I did say the spark thing. It's just, but then it was taken out of context. It was taken out of context. It was like, oh, no, it wasn't. Yeah.

And look, I mean, that's going to be up to them. If they want to say that it's subjective, his conversation with Kyle, then go that route, go ahead, try to explain it away. As long as both of you put up a united front and say, no, I didn't take it that way,

that everybody else can be like, all right, whatever. We can move on from it. But yeah, Gavin started to spiral. And look, we kind of got a glimpse of this. And Kenny and Whitney both talked about it. He misses his bro. He's kind of infiltrating into their apartment just to try to show up and be around

that it's too much. So Gavin is definitely a weird dude that's got some border issues. And he just needs to get the fuck out of it. Like he just, he strikes me as a guy that thinks when he talks like this, the way that he talked to Whitney and Kenny in this scene, he feels like he's the tough. love friends. He's the friend that's going to tell you how it is. But no, dude, this is all your opinion. Like, none of this was really brought on it. We've seen Kenny say some wild shit that he

would probably take back. And if he wants to say that he didn't mean it, then go ahead. But when Gavin gets into it, he's like, no, no, it's a deeper issue. I've known you for a really long time. It's not just that you're a little numb to marriage. You just don't have a spark. And when you say spark, you made excitement. It's just kind of boring. You want passion. It's just kind of boring. I mean, Whitney's just kind of boring. Your whole relationship is kind of boring. It's like, what the fuck, man. And I know what he means is we used to go out all the time when Whitney lived in L.A.

Now she's here. We don't go out all the time. So it's boring. For me, it's boring for what our friendship used to be. So he's not really, and it's very funny to say because he's probably like 43 years old. But for a 43 year old man to not understand what happens when your friend gets into a relationship, that is a weird life to live. Yes, but stop talking. because you sound like a lunatic.

He's like, I think you want some more passion, more. You need something more from Whitney. I was like, how dare you speak on this poor woman? Who, by the way, again,

every scene she's in, she doesn't talk. Everyone talks about her and does not say the nicest things. He literally calls her boring to her face. And credit, all the credit in the world to Whitney. Like she,

she wears this shit well. She does not get super animated. Like, kind of sits there and just, I think she's probably so caught off guard that she doesn't know what the fuck's going on that she's like, I don't even know how to respond to that. But yeah, calling her boring, talking about the dynamics of their, oh, it just sounds so perfect like that just seems like really boring. Who are you, dude?

Who are you to say these kinds of things to anybody? Isn't this supposed to be your guy? It's supposed to be your dude. Even if you're uncomfortable with the fact that you lost a friend, this is weird. And to me, all it's giving is you want to. have sex with Kenny. That's fine. But like that's the vibe it's giving.

Honestly. And Kenny, like, we usually don't like walkouts, but I do think that what he thought he was going to get was more of a supportive conversation with Gavin and instead it was just, you know what, dude? Like, not you too.

Like, we're not, this is actually worse than what Andrea was doing. This is worse than what Kyle's doing. I can't deal with this. I just need a minute. I'm going to walk out of here. When he walks out, Gavin leans over and gives Whitney a kiss on the cheek. gives her a hug. What do you mean?

You just called the woman boring. You just called her boring and questioned her entire relationship, who everyone else is also doing currently. She's rattled. She's tried to stay positive. All she wants is to hear her boyfriend say, I'm excited and he can't do that. He just keeps saying weird metaphors that make no fucking sense,

and then bringing up his mom. So it's a very fucked up situation. And I don't like Kenny. I think he's great for the show. I think he's a douchebag. But all of that aside, all I really care about, I just feel bad for Whitney. I just feel really bad for Whitney. That would be really funny if she comes out as like a closet psycho though.

That would be hysterical. I would love that actually. Yeah, that would be fantastic. Let's see what they say in these questions over here, they being our listeners, long week. Yes, it's been a long week. First one up here from Dilla Dayanera. Why am I cheering for Danielle to? Bob Amanda at the reunion.

I hate that Amanda did this to us. Yeah, we all kind of have to come to grips with that. But if somebody's going up against Amanda in this show, we're going to take the other side blindly. Yeah, we're all coming to terms of the fact that we are probably all going to be team Danielle this season. It's a weird place to be. But look, you have support.

There's a lot of us here. And we're all confused. Here you are, Maria D. Hugh. Is it really that hard to find a month to month refurbished, aka Aaron B in New York City? No. It's probably super fucking. easy, especially with her budget.

She could find it in a day. Maximum. She didn't want to. No. From Carly Bodos, why are they even going to therapy? Because Amanda is gaslighting Kyle. Correct. That's why. It's part of the plan.

That's why she missed two therapy sessions. We got to go to therapy. Oh, shit. I forgot that I missed therapy last two. Don't bring it up, Kyle. We didn't go to therapy for two weeks. Oh, we got to get back on track. Got to get back on track.

Psycho. mermaid girl mv just an observation Amanda does not fit in with the cast it's awkward to watch that is very true she really doesn't fit in on the show everybody else is kind of living their lives you do not see and i know she's quote unquote going through a lot and moving and all that but i mean there are scenes with lindsay there's scenes with yvonne there's scenes with katie deluca who is her best friend she seems weird she just seems weird yeah she's a weirdo abby coval for Kyle, why are the rules only Kyle has to make Amanda

feel like she matter? Shouldn't be, this is strangely worded. I'm working. Try to fit it into the thing. Why are the rules? Yeah, no, I appreciate what you did. I'm just, I'm an idiot. Why are the rules only that Kyle has to make Amanda feel like she matters? Shouldn't

she do the same for him? Yes, that was my point. This is supposed to be a mutual, let's figure this whole thing out, but she's giving stipulations and ground rules for him, while she doesn't have to follow any. That doesn't seem like you're trying to make things work. It seems like you're setting him up so that you could at the end of it say,

I asked you for three things and he couldn't even do that. That's what's happening. It's just gaslighting. It's gaslighting to the highest degree. I'm going to save this one for the end, but I'll do from Shane Sosa. Why does Amanda think that anybody in the world believes anything she says now? Because this is back in time where Amanda thought she was going to get the glow up

and she was going to be able to do whatever the hell she wanted. and she almost had it. She almost had it. So close. You can see it by her demeanor. That's why she's all smiley and bubbly in every single scene. She's moving out of her apartment with her husband. And she's laughing.

Yep. Unbelievable. I don't see any others in here. There are a couple people just asking about if we're excited to see Danielle pounce on Amanda. And weirdly enough, yes, we are. Yep. Last one here from Chris for MSU. Does this show suck already?

No. It doesn't. This is actually a pretty promising show by our standards. We usually don't right. We don't lead you down the wrong path. This is a good show. It's going to be fine. You have to weirdly have faith in Bravo and their casting because if they see that people

are just turning on Amanda and not wanting to watch her anymore, they'll get her the fuck out of there. And they'll leave Kyle there. They'll leave Lindsay there. They'll probably bring Carl over. The show will be fine. They're just getting their footing right now. Yeah.

And we have to, we have to make it through this. Like we knew this was going to be part of the show. It's going to deviate from a lot of other storylines. It's going to be annoying at a certain point. We're getting close. It just is what it is. But there's a lot here. And it's a very good plug and play cast.

Like you said, we can bring in Carl. You can bring in Sierra. You can bring in a lot of page can make an appearance. Like there's a lot of things you can do with this show because of how it's set up. So no, it does not suck. We will get through the Kyle and Amanda stuff. there's going to be some weird wacky scenes, but there's a good product here.

This is not the same as me shipping couples. I'm 0 for 30. As far as recommending shows, we are batting a thousand. We have only recommended good shows. So don't worry, this will come around. It'll hit its stride.

They're just working out the kinks, that's all. Yep. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. That's our show. Rob, bros are out of here. Ever open up your book?

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