Bros & Shows - Kenya No Moore (RHOA Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

What's up Bros? We finally got to it, the infamous scene we've heard so much about. In this episode, the whole lead up is Brit trying to reel back in the pistols comment. We get to learn more about Angela and her family dynamic. Her and Shamea seem to squash things which we're excited to see where that friendship can go. Kenya is gearing up for the grand opening of her salon. While much of the group is hopeful for reconciliation between Brit and Kenya, Porsha recognizes that Kenya is definitely in retaliation mode. At the event... it goes even worse than we could have imagined. We knew it would be bad, but this was a disaster. None of the ladies support it and it's pretty clear they all recognized just how bad of a mistake this was. It does not vindicate Brit. What she said should have been taken more seriously by Bravo and the fact that their was no reprimand for her and the comments about the guns is disappointing. It doesn't BY ANY MEANS excuse what Kenya did, but an argument could be made to dismiss the both of them if were being honest. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. There's a weird air about this one, this episode, you know, because it's like, you know, it's the end of one of the greats, deservedly so, but still the end of one of the greats. You know what I mean? I like a lot of people online saying this was a pretty crazy finale for the season.

They're just not acknowledging that the rest of the season's going to happen. Look, we're going to keep watching. You know you're going to keep watching. You've got to see the fallout from all of this, but you've already read it in the name, and I guess we can just say, Kenya No More. Bros and shows, I got to have me my bros and shows. Bros and shows.

Brose and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brows and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Chili Goots. It's chilly. I'm sad.

It's gray and cold, and I'm sad. That's okay. I want to start off by saying that this episode went by so much faster than I thought it would, right? Knowing that we were going to get that at the end, looking forward to seeing what that moment was. Usually, things take much longer to get there, right? Mm-hmm.

This thing flew by. Maybe it's because nothing really happened before it. Not a lot of happened, but like, I don't know. There's something to this cast, and I'll give them credit there where I, I'm entertained. I just like watching. I'm starting to really like Kelly. Kelly's great. Like Kelly, I think Angela, she's awesome.

Like, I enjoy the scenes we're getting. with them that don't have to do with the shit later. I know that's actually, I think that's good. I think it's enjoyable. Even leading up to it, knowing what's going to happen at the end and talking about what happens last week with Britain and Kenya, I feel like

it's just way more enjoyable. They're not nothing scenes. Right. They're fun scenes. Exactly. I'm having fun watching them just do their thing. And I know they're talking about Brit a lot and they're talking about the situation. But there's just something entertaining about this cast, which is a great thing,

especially considering Kenya's leaving and obviously the Kenya more stands of the world are claiming as you said that you know this was the season finale they're no longer watching which would be so silly to not watch this show it's it's doing well this show is good we are enjoying it the rest of the cast is doing well we'll get into the whole thing at the end the way that it played out i'm like oh yeah i think it's more like the old guard of housewives fans it's You used to be a fan of one of them for pretty much all franchises. Like you would have the one that you would stick by, the one that you would stand for the most. Those are the people that are like, all right, Kenya's gone, I'm gone.

Yeah, well, it's like the Roney thing, the Ronejay thing with Teresa. It's like, oh, you're getting rid of it. Well, that's the whole show. There's no show without her. It's that whole song and dance. It's like they've already restructured the show so much. Losing Kenya, is it a hit? Yeah.

Is it going to hit a little bit? For sure. She's Kenya Moore. She's been around for a while. Yes. Credit or credits do. They shook up the whole cast for the most part. It's not like a far cry from what we're already watching.

I would also argue that Kenya is not even cracking the top five as far as most entertaining up to this point. And yeah, you could look at a couple of different things. Maybe she was in what they had originally filmed. And we do know that there were some things that were edited out for sure, a lot of her confessional, so to speak, things like that. But for the rest of the cast as a whole,

I'm enjoying pretty much everybody from front to back. and I've got no issues with Kenyon necessarily leaving. I do want to see, obviously we're going to have the fallout episode next episode, maybe a little bit more after that. But I want to see how the cast as a whole regroups and gets back to a lot of other unresolved matters. I think a big sticking point as well is the reaction of the cast. They're not stoked about what happened.

No, they're not. They understand, like, are there some questions that need to be answered as to the Brit of it all? For sure. Yeah. But I think that after that happened, they're all probably like, yeah, you can't really come back from that one. Because I had an image in my mind of how this went. Yeah, me too.

It went so much worse. So much worse. I could not have fathomed it would go this bad. Yeah. I thought I knew all the context of how we were going to get this and we knew the setting. We knew everything. I didn't really understand what we were going to get with all of this. I thought, honestly, I didn't know who was going to be in that room.

I didn't know who's going to be the room. I didn't know what the picture really was. Yeah. Like, didn't understand, like, once I had an understanding of what the picture was because we know the context. Right. Still, nothing could have really prepped you for that. No, because when I watched you play, I was like, oh, yeah, you got to go.

Yeah. You can't. You're getting no support from anybody. Even Cynthia, I like the way that Cynthia's approach to it was. Very well. What are you doing? You're so much better than this. You did not have to do this.

Yeah. Bad move. bad it was tough it was a really like that scene was like the whole episode flew by that scene was slow motion i was like oh god it's getting worse it was bad before she pulled the fucking things out i think the best part was i thought that i missed something because it was right around the same time that drew and portia were talking to oh god so i'm like i think i may have missed something in here let me let me quickly go back and see and i go back a little too far like i don't know nope nope that's just it's yeah it was a lot it was a lot it was a lot

a lot. It was not a good look. But let's jump into the episode and we start out with Shamia and Angela clearing the air, which, you know, we love to see that. Obviously, we had the olive branch scene, which... Huge fan. Upon further, uh, uh, investigation, it was in fact just a tree branch. Yeah, not an olive branch. But I love the sentiment. I love that these two can vibe. You know what the best part about Shemia is? It could have very easily been an actual olive branch that she had gone out and bought for the prop. Yeah. Because she would do that. I wouldn't be surprised. I would not think twice about it. I am turning into a huge Shimea fan. Yeah, I like her a lot. And really, this is what it comes down to.

She understands her role. We know that her and Angela didn't get along up front. We have all of the, you know, Latoya Jackson comments, which were admittedly very funny. It was funny. But she apologized specifically for that. She didn't go for. Even after she was apologizing, she still had to get a crack in there. It's fine.

It's great. It's fun. But she knows what she's doing. and she did the specific apology. I'm sorry for what I said about your body. I shouldn't have done that. It wasn't just like the... Let's throw a tarp over an entire apology here

and just be like, you know what, I'm sorry I shouldn't have acted that way, which also would have been acceptable. Or the housewives world. The classic housewives. I'm sorry that you got upset. Yeah, I'm sorry that that offended you. It wasn't meant to offend you.

It was meant to be funny and also petty. Yeah. Sorry you had a reaction to that. Yeah. That's what we normally did. Yeah, we didn't get that. We got a genuine apology. And we also have somebody in Angela

who were still getting to know pretty well. She seems like she's just able to let things just roll. Like, you know what? It's not that serious. I do want to get to know you still. We got off on the wrong foot twice now. Let's just bury it. Who cares? Watching her with Charles, I'm

wondering if that's where it comes from? I think it has to be. Because she's just like, fuck it, whatever. It's just not even working. And also, like, where it comes from with Charles talking about, like, his family and her family later, too. He's like, I don't fucking care. We'll get to that. We'll get to it. But Brit arrives and along with everybody else in the cast they're just confused about the reaction that happened and you can look at it a lot of ways mainly what happened was she had been poked previously she didn't like the ring comment which we talked about was such a whatever thing especially with Kenya like even watching it again it's like there's nothing there no and she's so stuck on that that she was waiting for something else and she was almost geared up to go into or go after Kenya she's just waiting for

for an opportunity. So she got a small chance to do it because Kenya was dismissing her a little bit and she went from zero to a thousand. And everybody there was like, whoa, dude, bump the brakes a little bit. I want to make a joke. I don't know if this is going to go though. But now you have to. I know. Now I have to. It feels like Britt brought a gun to a knife fight. Yeah. Like pretty much. Look. She expected to get the Kenya more of old, the Keny Moore that's going to go after you and just rip you, which you did eventually. And then so. a crazy extent. Yep.

But she was expecting so much more and Kenya was not giving her the time a day. She escalated to the point that she imagined it would get to

and Kenya wasn't allowing it to get there. She was just ignoring her and giving her dust as she says later and she was still kept that energy and it was such a bad move.

It's a really bad look and you want, and I know she did come into the scene apologetic. She came into the scene somewhat understanding like hey I shouldn't have

taken it that far. I think she gets what she did. She definitely understands but I don't know if it's... There might be remorse, a little bit of remorse? Is it remorse?

Or you're like, oh, shit, I might get fired. I think it's the latter. Yeah. With a little bit of remorse about potentially getting fired. Yeah, maybe. Not remorse of saying the comment or threatening Kenya's.

I don't want to take it fully away. I do think she understands, like, that was too far to say pistols is too much. Yeah. I don't think she regrets, like, reacting. I think she regrets what she's sick. She regrets pistols. I think pistols is where she went,

like missed the mark. And I do think that she feels like she went too far. but she says, you know, I wasn't trying to intimidate. And it's like, you know, I wouldn't want her to think I'd harm her. It's like, bray, you said pistols. Like, there's really only one way to take that, unfortunately, whether you meant it. Because I don't think that people were like, oh, God, she's going to kill Kenya. No.

But it's still threatening, right? Like, it's still. People at the back of my thought that. Yeah, because they called Angela. That's the best part. Angela's like, yeah, what about me? And she's like, what happened? Like, the fucking venue.

Yeah. I feel like that completely just went out of everybody else's minds 100%. We never think about the venue in any of these Houseway fights, do we? No. No, rails from Jersey.

We think about rails. I still think about rails. Somebody brings up the Charles comment that Portia made that she'd heard some shit about Charles and they're like, what do you think about that, Angela? And she's like, I didn't ask them. Like, I don't have time for that.

Like, my husband's a celebrity. I love that. My DMs are flooded. Like, I don't give a shit. It's not worth my time. Not wasting it. But we get to Kenya and Porsche, which is a bummer because seeing these two vibe is actually fun. Like, I would have loved a season of these two getting along.

Yeah. That's something that we did genuinely miss out on. So that's a bummer. But they're just trying to judge up Kenya's salon for the grand opening. I saw in the captions how juzh is spelled. I did not. Can you please enlighten me? No, because I didn't rewind it, but it's very confused.

It's like, it's weird. Yeah, I don't know if that's the correct spelling. Here's the problem. You ever come across a word like that that you want to Google, but you don't even know where to fucking start? You don't know how to Google it. I don't know how to Google how to spell that word. I don't even know where it starts.

A J, maybe? It was a J, and then the rest is weird. It's French, right? I don't know. It's got to be French. Why? Weird language. Okay, fine.

To all of our French listeners. It's a romance language. No, it's not. It's a weird language. Or French Canadian. You're pissing off a lot of people with this one. Okay. As long as you know.

But Kelly arrives as well, and, you know, she's sad about Britt, but she does like Kenya. She's trying to keep these two relationships separately, and they just, they are looking at the models for Kenya's show, whatever. She did not invite Britt originally, but didn't not invite Britt either, is what they're landing on. Yeah, I don't really understand any of that. It was a mass invite at the bank at that dinner. Britt was there. That's an invite. She didn't specifically say you're invited, you're invited, you're not.

She also didn't un-invite Brit. So you're invited. So you're invited. Right. The same as everybody else is invited. Because there was no card sent out. There was no telegram that we usually see in these shows. Got to get Heather Gay on some sort of scavenger hunt to go get your invite.

Oh, right, right. That's the best. But, yeah, I mean, if it was a verbal invitation to the whole table, you didn't say, not you. No. No, so she's still allowed. I would think that you would be uninvited, but she didn't. Nope. Nope.

But they get into the altercation. at the bank, and it's like, look, it took a turn. Kenyon's like, I disengaged from it, but pistols can't be rescinded, which I agree with. Once you say pistols or guns, it's a much different conversation. And just holster them. The ironic, nice, the ironic part, Kenny is like, look, I have too much to lose. I'm like, you do. You sure do.

So you should think through what your retaliation's going to be because you have a lot to lose. You sunk your daughter's college fund into a salon. you should really think about what you're going to do next can you you shouldn't do something crazy it was so dumb on so many parts dude it's so like one again choosing that setting to do that is crazy work it's wild not just doing it at like and i'm not saying i'm not condoning any behavior or anything like this but doing it at a like a cast setting where you guys are again like at a place like the bank with the rest of the cast and there's no one else there that would have been quote unquote more acceptable.

Yeah, very, like, we understand what we're saying. Yeah, less harmful to everyone. No, I don't even, like, don't criticize us for how, you get what, I'm nitpicking how she did it, but she shouldn't have done it. You guys all get what we're saying. Yeah. Don't spin this. It should not have happened.

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We all have to get on with our lives anyway. Welcome to Nightvale is available wherever you get your podcasts. Well, the whole thing with Kelly in this, she's like, look, that's not who Britt is. It's like, you can't say that because she said these things. See, this is when I started to really like Kelly, though, because I like the approach here. She is undoubtedly so far, we don't really know her that well, but she's been herself, it seems, the whole time. And I like that she's sticking to her guns. I can't stop. I can't stop. She's sticking to her guns with her friendship. She has a separate friendship with Britt, as she said when she walked in. She's getting closer to Kenya. But she's still not doing the, all right, I need to grovel. This is Kenya. I need to bow down. She invited me over here. She's nice enough to invite me. I can't say nice things about Brit or try to defend her in any way, as we've seen by other people on the cast do this already. And we're only six episodes in. So the fact that she's still sticking there, talking about how Brit's a different person. She's a better person. That's not something.

that she would normally do. It doesn't speak to her character. Obviously, Kenney's not going to hear any of that, and she's well within her right to do so after that comment. Sure. But I like that Kelly's being authentic. I agree. I think that we've seen that from her from the jump.

I don't think that she's... And I love her waffles. We are big Nana's Waffles fans. Never tried them, but we are ready to invest. You just let us know where to send the check. Sometimes all you need is a picture of a waffle, and you can tell. I agree with that, actually, weirdly. That's one of the few foods I agree with where it's like,

yeah, you can tell a waffle by its cover. Oh, yeah. For sure. But we get to Angela with her daughter, Amari. This was an interesting scene. Very. So Amari's father was murdered in Chicago, which has led to these two becoming extremely close, which makes a lot of sense. And there's some family issues.

I think we've heard about the family issues a little bit with her and Charles talking. Yeah, not to this extent. Not the specifics. No, no, no, no. Not the specifics. They start to get into it. And grandma called Angela and says, you need to talk to your daughter. She's like, well, what happened?

She's like, well, I went to their house to borrow the car that you bought for them. It was a whole thing. Your sister got in my face. I think her sister's Alicia. Yeah, I think so. Your sister got in my face and they wanted money for me to use the vehicle, the vehicle that Angela paid for. Correct. They wanted money for that.

So they get into it. It's a whole thing. Grandma calls Angela, and now Angela's like, shit, well, I'm going to deal with this. I'll make sure everything's fine. And it is interesting to hear, but what do you want me to do? Like, that's my mom. Yeah. We need to take care of her, but I will handle this whole thing.

We find out that the mom has suffered from bipolar disorder for pretty much the entirety of Angela's life. So you're learning a lot of ins and out to this whole family, but the bottom line is mama bears pissed. Mama bears about to handle some shit. And tomorrow you got married. Sure did. unbeknownst to Angela 24 years old happened a couple of months ago four months ago or something

Not a big deal Not a big deal I was gonna tell you eventually It's four months ago She said that like four times I was going to tell you eventually Mom it's not a big deal It's a big fucking deal

The government's involved now It's a huge deal If you guys get divorced Half of Angela's shit Could end up going to that dude We don't fucking know So yes it's a big deal And it's just nice to see

These two interact because of the authenticity. Yeah. Well, I think for housewife shows in general, and we get a lot of housewife shows now where there isn't a lot of child mom situations that we get to actually see. And it's always nice to see parenting

and things like that. And you get a sense of how they are as a mother. This was a good scene for Angela because she still knew. We don't really know what's going on here. But having this kind of conversation sit down and go haywire is a good tape for us to see. Yeah.

and they bring it back together at the end. They're like, look, we're good. I love you. I love you, too. Oh, God, we're both like mess. Yeah, exactly. This is definitely going to come back up at some point. But I love their relationship.

I loved watching them interact. You can feel the authenticity, which is all we want. It's all we want is for people to be real. So love that scene. But then we get to Portia and Britt. And Britt's like, look, I took it too far. There's no excuse. She said this in her confessional, though.

This is where I didn't like this. She started out in person. I took it too far. And then it cuts to confessional. There's no excuse. Where, yes, there's no excuse. No, even the conf-I, I went back and looked at it. Oh, did I fuck it up?

Even the confessional. All we got was pleasantries. Oh. All we got was, yeah, it was fucking crazy the other night. I must have been writing. Yeah, no, it was just Portia saying, yeah, that was cray-cray, Brit agreeing. And then it goes Brits confessional. I took it too far.

I, you know, there's no excuse for my behavior. Say that shit to Portia. Yes. Or should, yeah, her and Kenya just becoming friends again or whatever you want to call it. But she might be able to relate. some information and save your ass. Yeah, maybe. And then you'd have somebody to go to bat for you when you go to talk to Kenya or

Porsche can go to Kenya before what happens later and be like, hey, Britt wants to talk. I talk to her. She feels bad. Whatever. That's my other problem with this. And this is, I know, you know, I'm nitpicking, but it's a confessional. This is after. Two to three weeks.

Oh, you're right. You're sitting here saying, yeah, you know, it went too far. I took it too far. There's no excuse for that. Revision is history. That's a really. really important point honestly because now she because that was what a lot of people in the comments were saying i'm not going to take it to the end like everything that happens after the

end of the episode i believe that whatever britt's reaction is she is entitled to that reaction yeah the leading up to it like the woe is me and like i don't like she's clearly putting on for the cameras i don't know how bad she really feels or she's just upset because shit i went too far and now my job's in jeopardy. Now people think I'm crazy, whatever. I don't know what the intent was behind feeling as bad as we talked about earlier. But that's interesting that you pointed that out. So this is all, remember everybody, because I already forgot.

The confessional is two to three weeks later at least. So she's had time to ruminate on this and figure out how she wants to approach it to make herself look better. Because I just wanted to point out how different it felt going to her confessional where she's talking about it. And we're seeing the scene while she's talking in her confessional. and the two of them are talking, but we're not hearing any dialogue. Good point. So there's nothing of important going on,

or nothing of importance going on there. I don't know what they're talking about, but I get the sense, I get the vibe from Brit during that scene with Portia, that she was still standing on business. Like, yeah, you know, that's what happened, but she's not talking about anything specific. She's not saying, I feel really bad for this.

How do I go about fixing this with Kenya? How do I go about at least trying to clear the air so that people don't think I'm a fucking psycho? What am I supposed to do? They didn't have that conversation, which you would have thought maybe they would have at least some little

tidbits of information in there a little bit of a conversation about what do I do moving forward but we didn't really get that. Well, it's interesting you say that because it ends with something like that but it took a little while to get there because Porsche is trying to understand

she's like, look, I've talked to people that witnessed the ring thing and they say that no shade was involved. It was ever so slightly shady but on the housewife scale like that was very, very mellow. Yeah, it's not enough for you to go. this far off the deep end and say pistols yeah no it was not but or think that she has it out

for you for some reason yeah it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that's honestly i think if you let that roll off your back you could probably talk to kenya in a normal way if you just didn't say what you said it's the one word that you didn't need to say and porc's just like look i get it with kenya like i know she pushes buttons she knows what she's doing she knew what she was doing at the dinner with the back and forth by cutting you off like she was poking that's it that's what she does she was trying to get a rise out of you it worked by the way and now the ball's in her court and you're here but by the way britt she was afraid like she didn't feel great after that i don't think anybody would leave you somewhere or someone said that to you and that's when britt's like

well i can apologize for her feeling afraid okay is that remorse again it's like the yeah that's the apology that we just talked about right i can apologize for that yeah right exactly that's not the same thing. But Charles and Angela are at home. Charles is just frying up some chicken wings. They looked, by the way, great. Great fry. Everything he cooks looks great. Great fry. Well done, sir. Well done. Indeed. This scene was fucking funny. This was just a funny scene. And I don't think Charles is an asshole. No. I just don't think he gives a shit about this show. And I don't think that he understands. He is who he is and Angela knows exactly who he is and she's not taking offense to the things that he's saying. Correct. Yeah. That's it. And I haven't seen anybody

online claiming that he's an asshole but good because i just don't want them to go that way because he's it's funny it's he's just who he is i think and she's cool with it because she's like well we got kenya's open he's like why am i going to go to that i have hair i'm not going to that well i to support me he's like okay she's like none of the other guys are going why why would i go what are we doing what are we doing here then she brings up Porsche's comment and he's like what is she the feds or something, and that she's barking up the wrong tree. And I love that he adds it. Just Google me.

Like, Google me, tell me what comes up. He could not give two shits about these rumors. It's almost like he's a seasoned vet in the Housewife game, and he's like, I'm not dealing with any of this. I know where this is going. It's not doing it. He's more concerned about her washing her hands before she eats the chicken wings, which she did, by the way.

I think it's so refreshing to see Charles because we've seen so many guys on these housewife shows in the last couple of years trying to get their moment. in the sun. Do too much. Trying to do too much on camera. Trying to make it look like there's some big bad dude or something, like you're not going to be doing that in my house. We could see that exact same scenario play out with any other housewife on any other

franchise, and they're going to take offense to it, and they're going to have this whole scene about it, and they're going to hold a stink about it for like two or three episodes. Yep. Not him. He doesn't give a shit. He doesn't care. And she starts to talk about, you know, Alicia and Mom and Amari and everything that

happened. I haven't talked to Alicia. I haven't talked to my sister either. the difference. Like, why are, he literally says, like, why are you bringing me all these issues suddenly? Like, where's this shit coming from? It's like, the show, bro. The show. I like the tries to basket with, like, we're married. He's like, all right. It's like, we have never talked about these things, ever. Like, what are you? Can I finish my chicken wings, please? Like, it just was a really fucking funny scene. But we get to D-Day, Kenya's event. And it was,

that's the funniest part is like the lead-up is just happy. Cynthia's like, you know, we've been through it a lot, like our ups and downs, but I'm so proud of her. I'm so excited for her. Portia echoes the same sentiment. Like, you know, it's been rough every once in a while, but like, this is amazing. I'm so happy for her. It's setting up this beautiful scene.

And we know what's coming. And still, I'm not like, oh, fuck. I'm like, all right, let's see what happened. Yeah. It's probably not going to be as bad. as they say it is, right, guys? It's going to hold up a poster board. I like going into it, too, because you can tell the difference between the two confessionals before and after.

Oh, yeah. And a lot of the confessionals were before. How excited they are for Kenya, how much they're looking forward to the event, how far she's come. In Portia's confessional, you can tell that she knows Kenya's up to some shit. She's like, she's not going to let that slide. She's going to retaliate in some way. I'm just not sure how. She said, I hope that you tacked your wig on.

Yeah. So something's going down. Yeah. But she knows Kenya. Nothing's going to go. Like, she's not going to let this slide. We just didn't know when she was going to get her back. Couldn't have thought that this was going to happen.

But as that's happening, Kelly goes in a really cool Mercedes. I love those things. Those things are so sick. I want one so bad. Got her name on the TV. I know. And just I would live in one of those. Style.

Right? I really, really applaud Kelly. Wealth is back in housewives. Wealth is really back in housewives. Atlanta is leading the forefront right now. I love it. I love it.

But Kelly picks up Britt. and Brit's like, look, I want this to come off as genuine and as thoughtful, like the fact that I'm going to her opening when all this shit went down. Hopefully it speaks volumes. Like, I want to, it's a grand gesture. She's going with the grand gesture. She's noticeably nervous, too. Oh, very, very.

We've seen her full of confidence this whole season, even last week. This week on the bus, not confident at all. Not even remote. Very nervous that Kenya could do anything with these flowers. She could do anything with me. She might not let me in. There's security here. there's all these things going through her head.

Nothing as bad as what happened. No. Of course. But, yeah. She did write her a card too. Mm-hmm. You know? But again, that's the craziest part because Ken is, this is a situation in any other situation that we have covered with not knowing what the outcome was where I'd be like, look, whatever her reaction is is warranted because you said pistols.

Yeah. Kind of changes the game. It really does, right? I'm not going to make that mistake again. Because if this is what could end up happening. And we say that even knowing what was going to happen. I know. Just not how bad it was going to be.

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But as all this is going on, Britt and Kelly are still shooting the shit, and now Brit's trying, this was intentional. She's laying the groundwork, you know. And of course I feel for her. You know, my aunt just had a stroke this week. My dad passed away recently. She's going through a lot of shit. I respect that.

That's very fair. You're going through a lot of things. This feels like you're saying this to give yourself some reason for what had happened at the bank. I don't think that was a smart play. Sort of like what Drew's doing where she says, I'm going through a divorce. Drew was so haphazard and just missed the mark. Yeah.

She's brutal. Everyone else is awesome this season. And I enjoy watching the Drew seems. True is very funny. Just because I'm like, you think this is working? Yeah, and she's a blatant liar. Just flat out. So great.

Yeah, it's entertaining. I don't want her off the show by any means. It's just watching her. I just love that, like, she would never really get caught in her lies if she didn't talk as much as she did. If she stopped, right? She proves herself wrong in. confessions constantly by telling us too much and then telling somebody something else. Just stop talking.

If you say, say the first part and then shh. Yeah. And you'll be good. But then you over-explain and then you forget what you explained. And now you're saying something that contradicts what you explained. It's the Cedora effect. Yeah. Everyone knows the Cedora effect.

But at the event, Cynthia, Portia, and Shemia are just going over. All they're doing is laying the groundwork so that we're all caught up. what's about to come and it's like look I wonder if Pritt's coming and Cynthia's like I don't think she will you know I really don't think she will but if she does like she can't be mad if Kenya doesn't accept her apology like

they're like yeah that's true you know and again Porsche this is where she literally says Kenya's in retaliation mode right now and I don't know what's going to happen but she's the only one that's being realistic everyone else and I think the other cast members that know Kenya are like this isn't over yet

but they're like holding on to hope they're like you know what there's something else has something else has her attention right now yeah she's just going to straight up straight up ignore brit if she does show up or she's not going to let her in right now she's not going to let anything ruin this moment she'll get back to brit whenever she has to yes yeah no no that's not what happened i'm like i'm anxious to talk about it i know Drew tries to hug Porsche Porsche blows her off now drew takes the fucking high road and she's like it's been long enough this has been long enough can we just hash this shit out hey i'm going through a divorce okay

and i'm not going to bang dennis too i thought she was just going to lean on the i'm going through a divorce i'm not even thinking about things like dealing with a lot not i'm not going to bang dennis of all people don't say that why would you say that that's not even what porcia said no she said she said she doesn't want you filming with them and then you say bang or i don't know what she said this is where drew gets caught up in all of her lies because she goes in and makes it seem like I tried to hang out with her so many different times

to tell her specifically about this. We've now known about it since Shamiya's party. We've been talking about it. You're still dodging, Portia. Pick up the phone. You don't have to have some one-on-one sit-down. I feel like she has this in her mind

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She knows. And it's been one time that she hasn't been able to go out with you because she was sick after she made his party. Call her. Yeah. That's all you got to do. It's so easy. Pick up the phone. It's so dumb, but it's entertaining to watch. Very entertaining. I can't get enough of it, but it's just crazy.

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Britt approaches Kenya, tries to apologize. And it was like one last hurrah for the good Kenya more. just cold like the coldest of cold showers she doesn't even look at her just shifts goes on to everybody else hey how are you how are you how are you

Brit is still like chasing around like a puppy dog like I'll just leave these here then and I am sorry and did you hear that I'm still I'm sorry I'm sorry you didn't hear me you can read it in my note yep don't don't burn the card please don't burn the card because I'm so sorry

when Brit is like look I'm gonna bounce and is like hugging people to leave. I'm like, I wonder if she gets held up for the speech. Like, I wonder if she's present for it. She doesn't need to be there for it. No, thankfully she wasn't there. Yeah, and she was not. She gets outside and Kenya starts her speech. Starts off pretty normal. I built this salon for my daughter. We saw her earlier in front of the step and repeat saying, you know, I want my daughter to be a boss like me. So I did this for my daughter. And instantly, I was like, oh, fuck. Like, it happens.

so fast. Everything shifted. I was like, oh, no, because this is a packed place. Yep. There's media. There's friends, acquaintances, people. She probably didn't even know future potential customers. I don't know. And the first thing that she says, perhaps adventures, not anymore, because she starts out with people are trying to take me down, which could go one way. It's like, but look at me now. Nope. People are trying to take me down. And I had a person looking for a moment. Here's her fake flowers. So now everyone, that was so, strategic and I think brushed over. Now everyone knows who you're talking about because they saw Britt walk in with the flowers.

We could stop this at any point and I'd be like, that's pretty good. Yep. That's pretty good. That's funny. That's a good way to get her back in front of all of these people. Embarrass her. Thank you all for coming. Yep.

Not going to let this shit get me down. Thank you all for coming. Have a great day. Nope. That's not what happens at all because she says, get rid of those flowers, by the way. I love Kelly running over. Hold. Let me get the card.

That card. So ship, grab that card. Stay out of the shit, Kelly. Yeah, she literally goes, stay out of this. But she goes, burn that shit. Stay out of it. I'm going to pay you dust and blows dust. I wish you did.

I wish you did. Yeah, this isn't dust. Dust implies nothing. You did everything. And then some because she fucking pulls out, not one. And that's the other thing. I thought it would be one. There was also more back there.

Oh, I know. I don't know where this would have gone. Don't want to know. Or it did go and Bravo cut it out. Oh, my God. She has a stack of like poster board. And the first one is like, who is this bitch?

Who is this bitch? And it's Brit pre plastic surgery and post plastic surgery from what I gathered. They blurred it out. The images, yeah. Even if it ended there. First, business wise, not great for you. this is a terrible start. Everyone here, as you're talking by the way.

Nobody wants to see your personal vendetta. No. Or somebody that you just met like three weeks ago. Right. And no one else is invested in this fight. Nobody understands what's going on. And they came here for this grand opening of your salon, this happy occasion that you've worked your ass off on. And now you're talking shit about somebody and holding up pre and post pictures of their plastic surgery.

However, had you stopped there, I'd be like, all right, that's one of the shade of your housewives moves we've seen in a while. but it's not out of the realm of possibility in the housewives world. But the next one, that one really does the trick. Because the next one, that's Britt performing oral sex on somebody. And the room gasps or stays silent and awkwardly leaves. Yeah. Like, I can't imagine being in this fucking room. I would be like, I might pee.

I don't know what I would do. even though I think actually the second slide was the video vixen was her like look at her up here in rap videos I used to do that too but I'd get I was a leading lady I was a leading lady she's a trap ho I was like you're posturing in front of a bunch of people at your so posture the salon still time to pull the plug yeah yeah we can do this you're so don't do it like you're not getting good reactions no one's reacting no one's like hell yeah hell yeah No one's doing that now and the fact that you say who's trying to take food out of my daughter's mouth at the current moment Kenya you are yeah you sunk her college fund in here and you're having a shit fit in front of your opening party what are you doing and you're showing weird posters and people don't know who this is all they do now because you pointed her out which makes it even worse which like you said had you ended it there in the beginning god it would be great but no and then after the the trap-ho thing then she pulls out that one that I just said. I don't want to say it again. And everyone's like, nope, nope, except fucking Drew, of all people. It's just like turning circles, like staying right there. Portia bounces.

Cynthia bounces. Everyone bounces. I'm not sitting here for this. I'm not going to be a party to this. It's ridiculous. And in the post-confessionals, Portia, I thought she said it the best because she was like, there were so many years of effort going into this moment. Yeah.

and you might as well just throw it all out the window now. You're back at square one after this shit. And now that we've gotten to this point, I was just trying to get here because like you said, there wasn't a lot happening. I wanted to get through the scene so we could discuss the scene. And the biggest thing that's weighing on people's minds, why was Britt not reprimanded for the Pistols comment?

Which I firmly and fully agree with. Action should have been taking when it happened. Bravo should have stepped in at the very least suspended her pending an investigation to make sure that the, I don't think that Britt was going to shoot her. No, but once you bring it into the fold, then you open yourself up to all of those things.

Think about it from this perspective. If you're in an office, if you're working for a company, if you're doing literally anything in this world and you say that, the cops are going to come. There's going to be an investigation because you threaten somebody with a gun. That's how it's going to be taken. So the fact that Bravo didn't step in is disappointing.

The fact that Bravo didn't take action early, because had they stepped in, and I'm not saying that this would exonerate Kenya by any means. But had they stepped in early with Britt, maybe we don't get to this point. I think this was a mess of problems. And when we think back to last summer when we're hearing about what's going on in Atlanta, we're worried that they're never even going to air the season.

Right. Because we hear little bits and pieces, this is what happened. Kenya's not finishing filming. Why is Kenya not finishing? Apparently, Fager's coming in to come help out. They had to do a whole shakeup of the entire cast. It sounded like an absolute mess. And then we found out about the picture later.

Yes. So then we found out about the picture later. We didn't know what prompted it until pretty much we saw it last week. So if I had to use my best guess here, I'm assuming Bravo did not want to pull the plug on it after what Britt did, didn't want to suspend her. We've got new women. Now what? We're just going to get rid of somebody three, four weeks into the season. After all of this, let's see how this plays out because there's no reasonable logic used to have Britt go to Kenya's opening the very next day, two days later.

that's insane after what she did and Bravo heard about it there's production and all the women are talking about it now we're having sit downs discussing it Brit should have been suspended they didn't and to make matters even worse they let her go to a Kenya party I'm again I'm not saying that anything's excusable

that Kenya did but they did allow this to go on they shouldn't have and I think they were just worried about their product they didn't want to ruin everything again and see that's where I don't agree not with you with Bravo it's like you know the safety of your cast comes first, the well-being of your cast comes first, and if Kenya was felt threatened, she had every right to because she said pistols multiple times, so she might have fell to type away.

It's the butterfly effect, too. You don't get rid of Brit, you don't suspend Brit. This is what happens, unfortunately. Had you got... If you did that and suspended her for a couple of weeks or had some sort of sit down or had her, like, removed from the cast for a little while until you guys figured it out, we wouldn't have had any of this, Ken? You would still be on the screens.

We would have had maybe a little bit of a weird limbo in the middle of the season where you're figuring shit out and people are talking about. Fager's back. No one's talking about it. Pager will come back and it would have been fine. Yep. So, you know, all of the actions that they took or lack thereof resulted in what they got, which was one of the worst parts of housewives that we've ever seen. Yeah.

And again, none of this vindicates, exonerates, or even softens the blow of what Kenya did. That was fucking insane. It's awful. I do feel bad for Britt. I can't imagine being exposed like that. No, that's fucking insane. Just a bunch of people who don't even know. Like, you have to feel awful about yourself.

You have to feel awful about the situation. which you shouldn't it's not your fault but like yeah Kenya took it way too far and last week when we're like we kind of get it oh no I don't no not at all not even remotely this was way I will far there is a silver lining at least the rest of the women in the cast not one of them supported Kenya nobody did not one of them did because that could have gone in the moment you don't know where it is if they even like Brit or if they like Kenya a lot more and they're just gonna like accept her for who she is like damn that was fucking crazy that you did that kind of funny nobody did that no at all not one person stepped up half of them left the ones that

stayed behind as i highlighted earlier with cynthia saying you've worked too hard to do this you just threw it all away this isn't who you are and kenya sitting there she didn't have this whole like smugness about her she didn't have this like oh yeah you know like i really just needed to show her who she was working with or anything like that i think she realized when cynthia said it and when cynthia said it she's like fuck okay or producers came over and were like what do you do it Yeah, what the fuck? Why don't you tell us about this? And I think here's the other side of it now.

It's really disappointing and really upsetting that Kenya did this for her own life. Yeah. The fact that you admittedly sunk your daughter's education fund into this, the fact that you're building this place up to be something that your daughter can be proud of, this will forever and always be the moment that is related to your salon. Yeah. The fact that you decided to do something like this and you put. But revenge ahead of your family's well-being is embarrassing. Yeah. And it's uncouth and it's crazy that somebody even,

and I know that Kenya can go, you know, further than a lot. And I know that she gets into some wackier shit because she doesn't like to be disrespected. Like, I know that. But the fact that you put the show, you thought this was going to be a moment, you thought that this is going to be a big I got you, you didn't think for one second about how this would impact your family you the business and i think the business will be fine there's a lot of kenya more stands that are blindly supporting this like oh it's britts fault it's like no no that's the wrong

approach but yeah that was my biggest takeaway was watching this after she's like you literally said earlier in the episode i have too much to lose you said i did this for my daughter and then this is how you honor that that's pretty embarrassing and that that's something that a tenured housewife you would think would be a landmine she could side step yeah did she just think that she was untouchable i think that's what it was i think she she thinks that she's above it and she's like boom watch this and then i think the moment that cynthia said that to her you can watch her demeanor she was like whoops yeah there was remorse yep for herself so yeah as we said in the beginning can you know more now let's get to some questions i'm curious how these are going to look

Yeah, he's going to be interesting. From Kara Miriam Woods, if Britt was reprimanded in real time, would Kenya still have reacted the same way? We'll never know. I'm going to say probably not. I think that if she was reprimanded immediately, whether it's a suspension or kicked off,

kicked off the tour doug, just trying to lighten the mood over here, you know. That's fun. But I think if she was reprimanded, I don't think, I think Kenya would have realized, like, all right, she got her comeuppance. I'm still going to talk shit about it. It wouldn't have been this degree, but I, who knows?

This was to embarrass her in person. I don't even know if this would have happened if Britt didn't go. I don't know because, like, I think she was prepped for it, but I don't think she would have done it. It's interesting. I don't know. The hindsight game with this, one of the foresight, whatever you want to say, it's impossible. Who the fuck knows? I hope she wouldn't do this if something happened, but maybe she would have.

Who knows? From Kay Stokes, 829. What do you think it says about Drew for staying behind with Kenya? It looks like shit. Yeah. She looked like shit. She didn't even say anything. She wasn't there.

Like, Cynthia was there to give her shit. Cynthia was there for a purpose. But Drew was there to support. Standing there. Because she's Drew. It's the Sadora effect. It's all encompassing. Yeah.

From K. Jones 479, I think that both of them should have been shown the door, Kenya, and Britt. I think that's fair too. I think, yeah. That's probably the most reasonable. From our buddy Ryan Stone in 83, the scene was worse than I thought it was. Yeah.

Honestly. Yeah. Can you come back from this? No. No, she can't. No, it's, I mean, when you talk from a legal standpoint, you can claim revenge porn and that's a felony. Yeah.

From Michael E. Bose, do you think they tried to humanize Brits so that we'd feel bad for her and she could stay even after her previous comments? I think that's what that was. I think she was trying to do it for herself too and production helped. I think production saw what was going on. I think they're like, fuck, we need to cover our own ass. We need to try to paint her as the victim in this whole situation.

even though she did threaten with pistols by saying pistols in that moment. So they gave her a very, very shockingly gentle edit throughout this entire episode. Let her talk about the passing of her aunt. Let her talk about the passing of her father. Let her have those scenes with Kelly. Let her have those scenes with Shamea and Cynthia. All the big hitters on the show to try to show, hey, she's not all that bad. She can be a good part of this show.

She made a mistake. It's like you guys are minimizing the pistol comment, which is horseshit. and it led to this moment because Bravo fucked up by not acting potentially led to Kenya's departure for doing something horrible and that's Kenya's fault there's a lot of nuances here

you have to dance around so don't say something fuck yeah Kenya's wrong Brit was wrong both could have been fired I would have no issue with that both deserve to be fired for what they did Bravo dropped the ball by not stepping in and doing something earlier and by trying to paint Brit out to be the

victim and this lovely, lovely person that just said pistols the week before to another person. Yes. And last one here from Mary had a little. Not a question, but you guys got me back into Atlanta after my Porsche strike, and I thank you. You're welcome. It is good, man. It's a good show. I'm so curious about next week.

Yeah. Don't even know. We're just going to have to prep for Fallout, probably a couple of weeks of it. Yeah. But we'll be okay because there's still some other things that we need to discuss this season. Yeah, I think we're good. Yeah. I think we're okay.

Portia and Drew will probably take center stage. I would imagine. And then here's the other thing. For the people that are bitching about, like, Kenya being gone, like, it's going to be a bad show. This whole season, Kenya's been fine. She's barely been on. But the Brit Kenya thing being a storyline was annoying because there was nothing there.

And that's Brit's fault, not Kenya's fault. But there was nothing there. So we're not missing anything by having the two of them, if, you know, Brick got sent home too, by having them and their storyline be gone means nothing. There's so many other things that we can talk about. Yeah. Yep. So, uh, that's all I got.

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