Bros & Shows - Kyle and Mauricio Finally Let Us Know (RHOBH Finale Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

What's up Bro's? it is finale time and we just wrapped up the RHOBH season. Was it great? no. Was it terrible? no. Similar to this finale episode. Not a lot happened but we get to tie up some storylines in a neat and tidy manner. Sutton has really come into her own this season and carried the season for a majority of it. Whether you like her or not, she came to work this season and we applaud her for that. She shares her story of finding her independence again with Porter, her daughter, in a very touching scene. PK and Dorit do not seem to be thriving as we get more and more hints of them not communicating well (plus PK apparently lives in London more than the States according to these last two episodes) Will we ever get to dive into this relationship more, bubblish? Erika Jayne had quite the comeback season and it was amazing watching a different side to her all year. Culminating in a great performance at SoFi for the White Party. The big news is Kyle and Mau's split. We've known for awhile but we finally get to see them discuss it. Why the kids had to be involved we do not know, but we get the scene nonetheless. All that and more on today's RHOBH wrap up! Time Stamps: Intro 0-6:33 Rose and Thorn (6:33) RHOBH Season Review (14:00) RHOBH Finale Episode (24:12) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell,

joined as always by the one and only Sloots m'glutes. What's up, dude? I'm a fucking moron. Yes, you are. We just went. We did an entire intro, and I didn't have my microphone plugged in. So I'll just summarize it a little bit. I'm mad at Paxatani Phil because I feel like it's still cold out and I want spring.

And I realized that it's probably because I was sick. And I haven't seen the sun because I wasn't outdoors for most of the early part of this week. But yeah, no, I forgot to plug my microphone. and Steele just kind of stared at me until I realized what happened. Yep, I was looking at the computer screen just to make sure the levels were coming in, right? And lo and behold, they were not. And so I was trying to figure out what the problem was, and I looked over at young Magoutes here, and, yeah, didn't plug it in. Breaking the fourth wall here by talking about technical issues.

But, yeah, big issue to start the day. Let's hope that the rest of the episode goes smoothly. I don't fucking know. It's only uphill from here. Or downhill. No, it is. It's only uphill from here. that one that's what we could talk about i mean we're going to get into beverly hills we're

really excited to get into beverly just to wrap the season up it wasn't much of a finale honestly not a whole lot happened but we did get some answers to the mo and kyle drama but uh before we dive into that going back to what i just said when people say it's all downhill from here that implies negative because it sounds like a bad thing but that actually implies it's going to get easier because going downhill is easier than going uphill. So it's a very confusing statement. And I think about this way too often.

This is literally, this is the Oppenheimer meme. It's paradoxical. It is paradoxical. And it makes no sense. It doesn't because if you say it's all uphill from here, you're like, oh, we're on the rise. But no, going uphill is actually harder. Going downhill is easier. So when people say it's all downhill from here, it implies negative, but that's supposed to mean it's getting easier.

There's actually a newfound glory song, which I know that I'm getting a little niche right now. All downhill from me. I used to look at the music video. That's an emo punk band, if you will, so most of their songs are not happy. I think that they address that in that song now that I'm thinking about it. Is that what it's about? Yeah, because you would say it's all downhill from here, meaning like it's going to be a good thing. But it's an emo song, so it's probably negative.

Paradox. Yeah. Newfound glory paradox? Did we just come up with a paradox? We did. Wow. Scientists now. Make it a t-shirt.

Add it to the list, baby. Somebody commented that we need to make a t-shirt that's a, says, I ate a tarantula at the state fair. I loved it. Yeah, that would actually work really well. It was a good t-shirt. I want to go to the Texas State Fair. That's fun.

It's not the one that you went to. I want to go to the Texas State Fair in Dallas. I guess it's in Arlington. Red River shootouts during that, too. Oh, it's all year-round. Yeah. The Texas State Fair, you can go all year round. It's in Arlington, I believe.

I'm just making an excuse so I can go see a Texas game. But, yeah, I know you'll go. You're an Oklahoma fan. I am an OU fan. But if you go to the Texas State Fair, you can get anything deep fried deep fried butter deep fried oreo deep fried spider i don't know that wasn't where i got not that state fair okay maybe they have spiders there i don't know for us maybe we should go and find out but we should it is our friday episode and before we get into our rose and thorn

just some quick announcements let's uh take care of the what do you call it plug yeah we'll just do that i was gonna think of something elsekeeping housekeeping housekeeping yeah so we are less than two weeks away from our live show at the city winery in Philadelphia. It is March 6th. We have sold a ton of tickets, which is amazing, but we are also running low. So if you haven't gotten your tickets or you're waiting until the last week or the last day, they may not be there. So make sure you go get your tickets as soon as you can. The link is in our bio to buy those tickets. And then we have another show coming up. And when is that, shoots? The second show is May 3rd, Friday, May 3rd in D.C. on Union Stage. I want to say on Union Stage, but I know it's at Union Stage. Just like the prepositional phrasing kind of drives me crazy. I like, we're going to be on stage. At the union stage. Yeah.

On the union stage at. On stage at the union stage. There we go. Okay, that works. That works. Okay. That appeases me. Thank you.

I appreciate that. You're welcome. I figure we can work through it somehow. Yep. But that is, as he said, May 3rd. So make sure you get your tickets to that one. And then we have another show in Boston. And that is June 14th at the city winery in Boston.

But that is a small venue. It is 70 people. So if you do not have your ticket yet, make sure you go get it. They're going to run out quick. We have a lot of people that have already reached out and said they've bought tickets. So make sure you go get tickets to Boston sooner than later because they're going to run out. And we don't want you guys to miss out. Yeah, I'm really excited about the Boston one in particular because the Phillies will be playing that week.

And I already decided we're wearing overalls, the two of us. Fuck yeah. Shout out Foco USA for giving us some cool overalls. I'm pumped about that. Because you know what? The thing is in, you know, in the playoffs, I would wear the overalls, but I'm not going to wear overalls to just like, I mean, I would, but there's not a lot involved with it, doing it in like May.

You know, if we go to a Phillies game in Philadelphia, like wearing overalls, it's like, all right, everybody's kind of got their thing going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go to an away game, you can get away with whatever the hell you want. Agreed. So, pumped about that. Hopefully our friends of Foco, maybe they're listening. I don't know.

Maybe they'll have some updated gear. We would love to rock it. We would love to rock it. I'm just saying. We love wearing them to away game specifically. Or whomever's out there that could be listening, Kat. No, we're super grateful for everything we've already gotten. If there is some new swag, we will always wear, but above all else,

let's a quick, quick FOCO shout out. Yeah, good call. They got us geared up for the season. This isn't even a paid plug. We just really like the shit they sent us. It sure is. But it is our Friday episode, so we got some roses and thorns to discuss. So why don't you start us off there, champ?

I'm going to start off with my thorn, and this one kind of caught me by surprise because I didn't go looking for it and that's usually those are the best ones well yeah I guess so I was on which is really funny because I only go on Facebook for the memories because like you can go on Instagram and it's like well I mean my memories are fucking hilarious because when I was 16 years old I just put like rap lyrics on my status all the time so I can cringe it myself and laugh at it and usually my friends are commenting on it and saying pretty much calling me an asshole and at the time I wasn't hearing it but now I'm like yeah you were right yeah job guys but I won't tell them that.

What, what's one that was on there? Oh, dude, it's every day. You posted a rap lyric every day? I mean, like, the way that memories work, it's this day on, like, every year. So, like, I always have something to look at. I mean, I can tell you what it is probably today. Oh, this could be a new segment.

Shooter's rap quote of the day. Some of them I have to delete as soon as I see them because I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah, so this one was from 2010. So what was I? 19. I think I just turned 19 years old. it says all these carrots on like I'm a fucking vegetarian boys play I bury them

I'll already know so yeah I don't know I don't know what the hell's going on I don't even know what song that's from what was going through your mind where it's like I'm gonna drop a fire rap lyric I vaguely remember um I used to listen to it was like dat Piff and do you remember that Piff no you weren't really in a rap at that point I remember when you got in a rap it was really weird for me um they I was always into old school rap, like Tribe Called Quest and the kind of shit, but I got into other shit, like, much later down the road. Well, this was an era where your favorite rappers were releasing songs almost every single day. Yeah.

And they were just, you know, throwaway tracks or mixtape tracks or whatever. And I used to, I remember I used to go on to a specific website. I can't remember the website. You were a big mixtape. And I could see, like, a new song from like French Montana. That's a little blowback for you. Love that. Or, you know, Drake would come out with a song every day, whatever it was.

and I would listen to what I thought was the best song and then I would select a lyric from that and I would put it on Facebook or I'd put it on whatever in hopes to look cool. Yes, a thousand percent. Because I have the newest song out and I just posted it already, which means I already listened to it before you got a chance to listen to it.

Shooter's hip. I was hip. I am no longer hip. But yeah, anyway, derailed the conversation. I go on Facebook just to look at those things and see random pictures or whatever it might be. And I was on Facebook briefly and saw that City Winery posted us.

and said, hey, get your tickets now for the March 6th show featuring the bravros. And it's a very nice picture of the two of us. And there's a couple of comments on there. And, you know, it's people that were reacting to us being there saying, yeah, I got to get my tickets, whatever, tagging people, great. Then there was a hidden comment underneath. And it said, and I don't remember who it was. It was just like some fake Facebook profile. And the comment was, don't give these bigots a platform.

Oh, God. I don't know what we did. Why? Like, I understand, like, some of the hate that we get where it's just like, like, all right, you don't listen to us or you don't agree with our takes, and that's fine. But I don't know when we crossed over into bigot territory. I would not classify us there. We did.

That's really, what a mean thing to say. Yeah, that was a little mean. So anytime you see a hidden comment, you're taking a gamble clicking that button. Well, it was a picture of us, and there were four comments, and one of them is hidden. So I had to take a lot. I'm just saying it's a gamble. I know. I had to take a peek, though.

Anyway, so saw that. That's definitely my thorn for the week because I wasn't expecting that one. and my rose for the week was from a YouTube video last week that we posted at K-18VD commented, Happy Birthday Month Shooter. Welcome to the 30s Club. So somebody thinks I just turned 30, and that's really nice. Oh, I see what they're saying. I was like, yeah, you've been in the 30s club.

They weren't aware. That's nice. That's nice. You could pass for 30. Thanks. You're welcome. Appreciate that. I mean that.

I mean that. Like when I get carded, when I go by a dip, sometimes I'm like, they're like, I got a check. If you look under 30, I'm like, thanks. Thanks, pal. That means a lot. That does mean a lot. Yeah. But let me get into mine.

So my thorn is this. And we posted that video about Tom and me going on a little rant the other day. And we got a lot of great feedback from it. There was a few of these, which is, it's so funny. There's a bunch on TikTok as well. This one comes from Twitter. I refuse to call it X. This one comes from Twitter.

And somebody commented and said, are you comparing George Floyd and Derek Chauvin to Tom right now? please be for real. To which I replied calmly and said, no, he did that himself. We're not idiots. He is. To which that was countered with. L.O.L. I mean, you are, but that's a whole other thing, which I hated that sentence. That you know me, like that's right under my skin. I'm like, oh. So then I replied again, no, he literally did it in the New York Times today because it would be insane for a normal person to compare those things. And that's it. Like, I didn't, the best part. There are more comments? There were, but it's all people coming to art no but from that person no no no they never came back but a bunch of our listeners

and followers jumped in and this is what i love about our followers like they'll jump into our defense but they don't go after people which i really appreciate i never want to be that podcast i don't want anyone speaking on our behalf like going after people that's not our vibe but if you defend us after someone talks some shit love that love that so thank you so much for coming in and uh helping that and this next one my rose i want to know what the whole other thing is like you are in any that that's a whole other thing what is it i don't know also this was just a video of you so i'm completely uh sorry you're guilty by guilty by association you and your mustache but i'm sorry i didn't mean to come out to your mustache i don't know okay it just it slipped out right i'm i'm i'm

a hot little potato right now man let me tell you but this next one comes from i'm not even to say where it's from and i'm not going to read their name only because i don't want to embarrass anybody and this was like a very nice and very funny thing that was said. Uh-huh. So there was a comment made that, you know, somebody has a crush on the cute guy and the Eagles hat, which thank you so much. It was very nice. But there was a follow-up and it goes like this. Oh, M.G. I saw his response video to Scumdivall's racist cry for attention. I'm smitten. I kind of love him, but I don't want to have sex with him. I just like to

hang out and discuss Bravo. I'm old and have arthritis. Sex has lots of work for me these days. It's got to be the best comment of all time. everything. It really does. It literally has everything. And it's like kind of weird because they're saying like, oh yeah, like implying sex, but to really be like, no, no, I just want to talk Bravo. Like, I love the idea of the fact that the reason that sex is not on the table is only because of arthritis. That made me laugh very hard. I would like, I can't do that just only because of the arthritis. I don't even know if I would read it. It's so funny because like you said, that comment has everything. It's wholesome. It's

sexual. Somehow yet sexual. And it gets the people going. It's, it, it is very difficult to ride that line of wholesome yet sexual. It's got to be, especially on social media. It's the best comment we've ever gotten. I think so too. By far. I think that's my all-time rose because it had everything.

A roller coaster. I wish I could read your name, but again, I don't want to put anybody in a weird spot. Just thank you. That was a phenomenal comment. Really made our night last night when you saw that. Yeah. I screenshot it immediately and sent it to you and said this is the all-timer right here. Truly is. You can't beat this. So thank you for allowing me to be the Golden Rose holder for now.

We'll see if you can take that from me, but I don't think so. I don't think so, dude. I am up against it on that one. I'm going to get people making weird, like, trying to be wholesome and sexual in the comments. Don't do that. You can't do that. You can't replicate. I would say it's impossible, but clearly we just had the best example of it.

It is very difficult to do that. Yeah, don't try to replicate. Just be you. But let's get into Robha, because we got a lot to discuss. It was, again, the majority of the episode is simply setting up for the white party. And kind of, I think they treated it as we're just going to sum up everybody quickly and get to the Moe and Kyle drama at the end. Yeah. But it seemed rushed. Like, I didn't love the finale.

It kind of encompassed the whole season, I think, where it had to be. its moments. It wasn't bad. It wasn't great, but it's just kind of filler sometimes. It was, for me, it was a reminder that if they had more episodes, we would say it was going on for way too long. Oh, that's a good point. Because there was nothing here. There was absolutely nothing to sink your teeth into. And it was, like you said, it just kind of summarized the whole season with everybody, where we just kind of bopped around and focused on, you know, the journey that we've seen with Sutton, we've seen with Doreet and P.K. We've seen with

Kyle and Moe. We've seen with Erica. Like, they just kind of checked in briefly and it was just way more of the same that we've seen the whole time. Didn't really end the storylines, didn't really keep them going. Yeah, it was just like, they were just there. Cliffhangers for like the actual

storylines of the season, P.K. and Doree, Kyle and Mo. We don't have any... I would say cliffhanger, if it's, like a cliffhanger I reserve for, okay, I need to know what happens next. Like, this was just like, okay. Well, for, yeah, Doreet and P.K., sure. That's, that's right.

But I don't know what we're going to get out of that because the two of them are so fake. Kyle and Mo is really the only one. Like, I guess you can say that we saw Sutton come into her own finally with, you know, everything personally. And that, you know, you put an end on that one. But the rest of it, it's like, okay, yeah, that's fine. Like, nothing really crazy happens. That's what I mean. It's fine.

Yeah. And again, that's why I'm saying that this entire episode until we get to the end of it was just a reminder like, okay, if they did drag this out a little bit longer, we'd be complaining in two weeks. Absolutely. Like, why are we, why are we still doing this? Let's just get to the reunion. Tell me more about Kyle and Mel. No, they cut it off at 16 episodes, which was the perfect

amount, because look, look, I still enjoy it and I still look forward to watching it every week. Me too. But there really wasn't a whole lot going on this season that makes us think, like, oh, wow, this is a great season. It was just a consistent season that I didn't get annoyed by. I think that's a good way to put it, but I got annoyed after this episode.

And that's because with everything popping up, or sorry, popping up during this, it made me realize there was so much more we could have done with this season. With what? With P.K. and Doree. Why didn't they push that a little bit harder? With Kyle and Moe, the fact that it got, like, that started. Well, I mean, we talk about that every week. We do talk about that every week, but seeing it kind of summed up this week and then

seeing the big reveal, like, we finally get Mo talking, and it wasn't from this. It was his Netflix show in the preview for that. That's where we get the big reveal from Mo, and that was the big separation announcement with the girls. So that was frustrating. I think, to me, it genuinely highlighted, okay, there were some topics that we could have delved further into, and we really didn't. We didn't broach the topic, and I'm not sure why. I don't think so. I just don't think that anybody else in the show had anything to offer.

I think it was just, yeah, you can dig into P.K. and Deree, but again, the two of them lie, and they're fake as fuck. Agreed. So we're not going to get anything from that. Then let's push on that. that why can't you be forthcoming and then with i'm telling you right now if they pushed on that we're still not going to get anything out of the two maybe so but we're just going to be frustrated maybe so but i'm frustrated now and like we look at garcel what she contributed to this season like we really didn't talk much about her i know like that's my point like what was going on with you

this year probably nothing i think that's the point like we're we're mad at or rather you are you're frustrated with bravo for not pushing i'm not mad i'm mad you're frustrated with bravo for not pushing storylines because they just kind of hovered. If you think about it, yes, maybe the clues were there and yeah, maybe they went back and re-edited certain scenes when it came to Kyle and Morgan to say like, oh, what's going on here? Or with Kyle and Mo to say, oh, what's going on here? They still filmed an entire season.

If there was anything worth pushing, they would have pushed it because they realized that there's nothing going on this season. It would have been, aside from the Kyle and Moe thing, it would have been a boring season. There wouldn't have really been anything there. and they had opportunities to push this and push that, there just wasn't anything going on with these women in their lives during this season. So I think that's what it was. I can appreciate that they didn't force feed us some bullshit that we would have seen right through.

Okay, I would rather. They tried with Anne-Marie. They did try with Anne-Marie, but everyone saw through it too fast. And the esophagus thing went on for too long. But I guess that's my point is like, okay, are a lot of the women in this group getting to a point in their lives where it's going to be, which is a good thing in the long run for like their life, it's more sustainable. There's more longevity. They know what they're doing. They know what they want.

So there's not going to be all of this crazy drama happening, which is fine. That's great. But a big part of the show is learning more about these storylines and stuff like that. And I guess my big issue with all of it is that it comes back to Kyle and Moe. And Kyle's supposed to be the ringleader of this show. We had all this stuff for an entire season and we got hints all season. Okay. This is where the root of my frustration lies.

we've gotten hints throughout the entire year 16 episodes and I feel like all we've ever gotten for the whole time is just a little like cliffhanger here a little hint here is this something is this something is this something and maybe this is going to lead like here's the thing if that leads into a reunion in which we get these answers and they teased us during the season with a consistent season as you said a solid season not the best not horrible like right in the middle I think and I'm sure there's going to be people that said it was terrible, but I didn't think so. But if they can wrap it up with some bombshells at the reunion, okay, I'm back on board for the season as a whole, that it was a solid season, but if they don't address certain things and

we don't get deeper into certain things that we need to and we deserve to after sitting through 16 episodes, then I'll be very frustrated. But what more, aside from Kyle and Moe and P.K. and to read, what more do you want them to push on in the reunion? I would like to see more from Crystal because her and Animer are not talking now why okay what happened from your i think we will and i hope so there i'm sure that that seems like an easy one to bring i can tell you right now we're going to because they've made it a point at the end of the episode to say highlight crystal and amory haven't talked since that's a good point and you're also going to get kyle and duree not talking since i want to i also want

to talk about that's my point so if they hit on all of those because that's another good one that we want to talk about but that to your point or to my point that could have been discussed more during the season because that split happened a while ago. I don't think that they picked up on that. There's no. What do you mean? They said that they hadn't talked since December. So filming wrapped before December. I know it did, but during the season, I'm telling you that I don't think the way that Kyle is and the way that we've seen this.

And even what Mo said when they sat down with the kids, Mo said, you know, we kept this from you. Yeah. If they're keeping it from their fucking kids, who else are they keeping it? They kept it from everybody. I know they did. So that's the way that they operate. They don't care about the TV show. They care about what they're doing in their own.

little world. I agree. So I don't think that Kyle's going to talk about, and we know Doreet, Doreet's not just going to act like everything's fine. Doreet never really indicated that anything, and we can tell from context clues and because we know things. But overall, like, there wasn't a lot there. And yeah, the producers and the people that are filming,

they might know a little bit more. I'm saying that if there was anything there, they would have pushed on it because we didn't get shit this season. I guess that's my point. Okay. As the cast members of this show, yeah, I'm pissed on the cast members. No, yeah, okay, I'm more so the frustration.

I meant that I wasn't pointing it at Bravo specifically. I'm saying as a whole, like they need to understand the assignment better. I would like for them to understand the assignment better and like let us in a little bit more. I think they're resting on their laurels because they are Beverly Hills and they still get great ratings. I think that's a shame. Yeah. Because if you compare this to, let's say, the season that Miami's had, especially on the back end, the last four or five episodes, that has everything. Yeah.

We're hitting all the notes there. And then you compare it to Beverly Hills, which is, as you just said, going to get the ratings because it's Beverly Hills, don't phone it in, I guess, to sum it all up, like don't phone it in because it's not fair to the audience who put time into this show as well and expect a certain thing from it. And we know there's more there, and yet we watch week in and week out people skate by things.

That's it. That's why I'm annoyed. But hopefully they can save it and wrap it up as a successful season. Like, if they have a solid run of reunion shows, I don't need three bangers. I need one amazing reunion episode, one average, and then the third one, whatever. That's always just a flip of a coin, whether it's going to be watchable or not. Yeah, I don't know. The way that the reunions go, typically, if there's a lot of animosity built up, that first episode is just you can't hear anything.

Yeah. And it's not going to be like that. I don't think we're going to get a lot of screaming. But I would say, you know, the focus of the first episode is going to be rounding everybody back up and say, how was your year? and that's when we're going to get frustrated because they're going to be talking about their year like, oh, yeah, it was tough to do this and that and whatever.

It's like, okay, we didn't see any of that. And then we're going to get the second episode, which is going to be the interpersonal relationships. We're going to get Kyle and Derreet. We're going to get Emery and Crystal, and we're going to get kind of the whole whatever. Maybe Kathy comes out in the second one. I bet we get PK and Doree.

Yeah, and then the third one's going to be all about Kyle and Moe. I think that's a pretty good run of play. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, Discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that leaves plenty of room for autumn adventures. And see for yourself how Volvo's legendary safety brings peace of mind to every crisp morning commute. This September, leased a 26 XE90 plug-in hybrid from $599 biweekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event. Conditions supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. Ontario, the weight is over.

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Long-Bandie Twizzlers candy keeps the fun going. Let's jump into the finale because there are some things I do want to discuss. And as we know, it's the so-fi white party and Erica's performing. And I do have to give props to Kyle for her LVP impersonation because it was pretty great. That was great. It was spot on. But the next scene we get,

but the first scene I really want to discuss is Sutton with her daughter Porter, and they're going jewelry shopping at a place I don't think I can even afford to walk into because I'd be afraid to break something. They'd smell the poor on you. I think they would. I think they'd be like, you don't belong. Deliveries out. The metal detectors, they've got the opposite of that.

Like, wealth detectors. Oh, a wealth detector? You walk through and they're like nagged out. Poor. Oh, damn. Damn. But for nothing else, I mean, if this is the wrap up we get, like, Sutton has had a great season. Sutton has arguably carried the show on her shoulders this season between, or on her esophagus.

But she's pushed this season forward the majority of the time. And to watch her do this and go through this journey, and we've been a party to it since the beginning of this season. And there's been a lot of moments where she's had difficult times, where she's had hard times processing things. And it all comes back to finally gaining her independence. or regaining her independence after being in her marriage. And it's cool to see this moment with Porter at the end where she's in a jewelry store and the jewelry's insane. Like that one ring was $9 million.

The earrings that she was putting on were $68,000. And I hope one day I can look at something half that price and say yes as nonchalantly as she did. 68,000. Okay, let's do it. Like, oh, okay, cool. but seeing this moment with her daughter Porter and listening to her talk about look you can have a family you can have all these great wonderful things in life but never ever lose your independence always maintain that independence because it's a big part of who you are a big part of who I am and getting that back you can see the difference in her I think like she is how she speaks all that just this entire season you can see the difference in her I mean we've seen a completely different Sutton and I know a lot of people out there don't care for Sutton or they don't want her on the show or they don't feel like she's in a good position, I just don't really know what you want because she's the only one that showed up this year and actually performed. She's the only one who actually shared anything

personal. She's the only one who showed any sort of growth from season. She's the only one that went to work. Like we've seen Sutton in the past last year and the year before where she would get kind of rattled by certain things or people would go after her and she didn't really know how to react. And she said a lot of dumb shit and like, yeah, she did start off the season that way. But she wasn't doing that at the end of the season. She learned. And, like she was able to get through the amory thing without provoking any other issues because we've always seen that where somebody has an issue with Sutton she's in the right but then she does something dumb and now all of a sudden she's in the wrong and then everybody can attack her

because people weren't coming to her defense and now it's i mean you can even see garcel and crystal when they talk about Sutton they say yeah she's a really good friend she's somebody who's there for me we've seen her evolve or what did Maddie say yesterday or an evulsion an evulsion. We've seen the evulsion of Sutton over the last couple of years where she is a way better castmate. And yeah, I do agree that she cannot carry a season consistently. We can't have her out there as the number one housewife in Beverly Hills every single year because it's too hard to do. But now, I mean, at least at the very least, if we get somebody else that can step up, we know that we do have a good number two that can carry when those episodes are kind of, you know, floundering here and there. I think that we've seen a lot from that. So, yeah, this was a good way.

And I do think that as far as storylines go for the season, this was a good way to end it. Because now it's, okay, we saw Sutton in the beginning. We saw her towards the middle where she was struggling with her independence. And then obviously she had the whole MERS thing going on where that's essentially a father figure for her. Then it got her to look inward about her father and then about her divorce and about dating. And like, we saw so many different sides of Sutton. And we saw her come out of all of those things, a better version of herself. What more could you ask for?

That is called a complete character arc. Yes, and that's what we got from Sutton this year. We didn't get it from anybody else, but we got it from Sutton. So you can't be mad about the way that she performed this year, and you can't be mad about Sutton moving forward. You need Sutton, because without her, this show would have been terrible. It really would have. And, like, I hope that people give her her flowers where they're due.

Yeah, people are going to think that we're like Team Sutton, and we've had her on before and we talked to her. It's like, okay, what do you want us to do? Yeah. Try to think about Beverly Hills without Sutton right now. This season is right. And what happened? What happened this year?

Anything? No, okay, great. The next check-in that we get is Doreet and P.K. And this one's been, you've dealt with it much better than I have because you just take it for what it is. Like, you're not going to get an answer out of these two because it's all just publication, blah, blah, blah. It drives me crazy.

It drives me absolutely crazy because even the Doreet that we see in a scene versus Doreet in a confessional is two different people. That drives me nuts because. this is your real feelings two or three months later where you are frustrated that he's gone you are upset about things that have been happening at the house you are worried about your marriage but in the scene you're bubblish this my love that and you never ever ever press him about shit and that drives me crazy because she is right in her confessionals he should be home more yeah there's a lot of things that she's correct about do that on the show say that shit out loud

because it's not like we don't know. It's in the media. We've seen it. So what's the point of being on this show if you are refusing to talk about the one thing that would absolutely captivate the audience? This is something that we want to know. This is a relationship that we have wanted to get further into for a long time because it has seemed face value, at least from the way I looked at it,

for the majority of the times I see them together because it's always overly lovy-dovey and you never get to chip away at it. The only scene that we saw that I thought was real was the therapist scene, and it still wraps up with her being like, oh, my love this, my love that. Like, dude, he just told you that your PTSD was fake. And now you're going to hug him? That's not real. But, like, we got, we get breakdowns from Doreet where she starts to open up or she starts to say something or you can tell she's in her feelings at the very least. And then she reels it in.

It's like, then why be on the show? Why be on the show if this is what we're going to get out of you every single year? frustration, lack of storyline, and lack of support in the group now because you don't really have anybody. Kyle's on the outs with you. That was your one major ally. You're not really tight with anybody else. I guess Erica, maybe.

I wouldn't even say tight. I don't think so at all. I'm saying like a root forward. Can she start a friendship with her? Her route forward is her marriage. That's all we're going to get. The only reason that she's on this show next year is because now all of a sudden we get to talk about P.K. and Doree.

I'm telling you, that's what's going to happen. She's not close to Kyle. was her last thing and that was really in seasons past the only way that we got kyle to talk about anything was her sitting down with treat which is funny because now we get that with and honestly the most real that we get a lot of people it's erika and kyle sitting down yeah those are actual real conversations is when the two of them sit down because erika doesn't beat around the bush three does three everything that she does is fake and that's in the bush i think that's my frustration with this and that's why i've kind of given up on getting anything out of the two of them

I don't know what they do when it's just the two of them and there's no cameras. I think that they don't talk. It's like 50-50. It's either they, well, yeah, but they probably don't talk. It's either they do still talk in that like lovey-dovey and they don't actually share feelings or it's just P.K. just bashing Derreet about like all the things that he wants to do and he's going to do whatever he wants because he wants that 1940s, 1950s housewife that doesn't ask any questions. I feel like that's the life that he wants. And Derreet is sitting in her confessional talking about this and that and wanting to have an identity and wanting to be able to not put up of the things that the PK is going to do and be able to talk to him.

The fact that she's doing that in the confessional makes me think that she doesn't do that in person, but that's the other problem. You're doing this on TV. PK knows that you're saying that, or maybe he doesn't give a shit, but PK knows that you're saying that even in the confessional. He doesn't watch. So, yeah, it's the whole thing is a farce. I just don't care.

Like, you don't get anything. You can brush it off like that. can't. Yeah, well, the thing is, Derreet is not a huge part of the show. She's not. She's not. I wouldn't even say a huge part of the show. This season, she wasn't. Like, what did she did? This season, last season, the season before, like, we've been calling for

Doreet to get off this show or at least show up for three years. I want her to, like, shit or get off the pot then. Yeah, but like, I'm done with that. We've done it for two seasons. This is the third one. I don't want to do it anymore. I just don't care. She's not an integral part of the show. She's not friends with anybody on the show. Every scene that she has is completely fake and made up, and I just don't care anymore. So any time that she's on the screen, I don't care what's going on.

I don't skip through it, but I don't really pay that much attention because it doesn't matter. You can't even get like a glimpse of a crack in the armor when they're talking here because it was a forced conversation and P.K. is still in London, which is just baffling to me. 39 days. Two children at home. and you're in London for a month, there's no way with technology the way it is today

that you have to be in London for every single meeting that's going on there. You just don't want to be near your family. And that sucks. And that has to suck for Doreet too. And maybe that's what she's doing is shielding herself

from opening up about it because then she'll realize what's actually going on and that would crush her or the kids. Like, I don't know. I have no clue. But in this conversation,

he's like, yeah, but I, like, Montmore ago, I would never have gone away and never would have extended the trip. She's like, you did. You did do that. that eight months ago. So you're lying. And that to me tells me that he's used to this back

and forth that they have, that they're not going to throw each other under the bus. And she slipped a little bit and was like, well, no, that's not true, which I appreciate at least saying that. But there's your window. Go in now. Now yell at him. Say, yeah, you did this shit. And that was right after we got robbed and you still went to London and left me with the kids when I was terrified because you're a piece of shit. But she's not going to do that. When have you ever seen her do that you want her to do things that she's not capable of but she just that's why you get so fresh that that's why i don't care anymore because i it doesn't matter the funniest part about all of this is even bravo realizes this and they try to drum up a little bit of

i guess teasers for their relationship and like oh they're fighting they're fighting when it comes to the you know after the commercial break we're going to get into pk and d'reate and they show that in the way that they edit it it makes it look like pk in the middle of the conversation said i can't get a word in edgewise yeah and they're like, oh, whoa, what the fuck happens? Like, are they actually fighting? No, they weren't. He was making a joke at the end of the conversation.

It's like, okay, so Bravo even knows that they're getting nothing from the two of them, but they want you to watch. So they're going to throw that in there and act like, oh, they are actually fighting about something for once. So everybody's aware of what's going on. And at least that's a step forward because it says to me that Bravo knows that we're not getting shipped from the two of them. So either force them or what's the point in having them on the show? I think it's the latter.

Yeah. I mean, that's fair. I get really annoyed with it. but let's move on we get back to sofi and mo arrives did you find the way that mo greeted the cheerleaders a little pervy yeah a little pervy yeah a little creepy a little creepy right like yeah are you are you guys you're the cheerleaders oh hey hey did he do finger guns i don't think he did have his finger yeah maybe he did finger i don't know if he did the finger guns or not yeah i don't know it was weird that you're walking into your wife's party and you're like ogling the cheerleaders walking in,

that tells me a lot, honestly, unfortunately. There's a lot of different ways to handle that situation. Yeah, that was probably the worst. That's definitely not the worst. But that was a bad way to do it. But everybody arrives at this time. Finger guns would have been better, actually. Yeah, actually, you're right.

But everybody starts arriving to the party, and I didn't care for this comment from Garcel at all, where, like, she walks in and sees the party, and obviously it's really done up there in fucking SOFI. it's really cool and she says I didn't expect this from someone that doesn't drink and reads books don't do that don't equate not drinking to being a dork or like not being able to have fun like that sucked and that's from somebody I really like on this show yeah that sucked there like that's not well we've seen it the whole season like nobody on this cast has ever really accepted

Kyle not drinking and that's just that boomer mentality of well I don't understand why you don't drink yeah but you didn't have a problem like what happened it's like all right. It's not your life. Who the fuck cares? That's my whole thing. Why do you make those comments? It's just stupid. It's not really any place for it. So, yeah, I mean, I kind of hope that people heard that and felt the same way. I hope so, because it really pissed me off. But it's a big crew there. And we know our boy, Zach Peter was there. He was in attendance.

I saw the back of his head. I did too. I was looking for the platinum blonde hair. He would be harder to spot these days because he got the black hair. Josh was there. Louisiana, he was there. Josh from Louisiana. He was wearing a fucking suede brown shirt. Nobody told him about the white party. I didn't even notice.

Josh, what the hell, man? For those of you that don't know, that was Sutton's old assistant, Josh. They're still good friends, so he still shows up. But we got Jeff Lewis there, and we got the one thing that Doreet might have delivered well this season. The only thing that she's done well, she walks in and goes, so chic. I was like, at least you got one line in. It's a recycled line, but at least you said something. I think Matthew Stafford's wife was there, too.

That would make sense considering he's the quarterback for the Rams. Okay. Okay. I didn't know her and Kyle were friends. You think it's just like association? Yes. Oh, I think,

yeah, I think if you're famous to a certain extent in Beverly Hills, I think you just know everybody. Yeah, probably. I think you know other famous people. But it's like the equivalent of somebody having a party at Lincoln Financial and like Kylie Kelsey showed up.

Yeah. I don't know. Jason would, that's my point. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't think so. Why?

I don't know. Okay, cool. I think you, your answer was just like sports. Stadium, sports, shut off. Don't you box me in like that. I don't think you're a real sports fan. I've been pretending for years just to fit in with the boys. But we get Kyle's entrance in, and this is kind of what I picture as just their marriage.

This is a description of their marriage. He's busy eating food as she's walking in. He's not really paying attention. It's just they're on two different wavelengths, and they're not really. nobody was paying attention nobody was paying attention Jeff Lewis was actively trying not to pay attention that's what he does yeah shocker but and as you see like

Mo walk up to them he tries to reach for Kyle's hand and like she pulls away so it's all going south as we already know but we also get Denise and Aaron which I really wish we talked to Aaron a little bit more because that man my God I don't know I go

between I don't know if we need more from Aaron or way way less or just absolutely nothing I mean we've gotten absolutely nothing but if i would love to hear one more story just one more about big pharma just tracking him just trying to figure out what errands up to or that whole storyline really she showed up with like blonde hair this time he's like yeah i had to dye my hair changed my appearance or if he should yeah that would be like wearing glass like those funny glasses with the nose on him like oh yeah they're not going to realize that you're the guy with denise richards okay yeah and denise shows up wearing another

pink jacket which was that a callback i don't know that was intentional i don't That's the, I don't think anything that Denise does anymore is intentional. Yeah, it's a good. I think that she's very aloof and has no idea what's going on around her. Fair enough. Or if her jackets upside down or right side up, who knows? Fair enough. Very chic, though.

So chic. So chic. But we get to check in with Sutton one more time and we learn about Steve. Steve, and I, ghosted her. I knew this. But, like, the way that she explains ghosting, I don't think that he ghosted her. She, so here's what happened. She texted me this.

And I didn't want to spill the tea last week because... I didn't want to blow up her spot. But you'll blow up her spot right now? Yeah, because it's out there now. Okay. He, by ghosted, he no-showed her on a date. Oh, that's worse than ghosting. Yeah, and then texted her a couple days later to try to reschedule, and she was like,

nah, bro, which I love that. Good for her. Yeah, great for her. Okay, because the way that she phrased that she said, he texted me two days after he ghosted me, and I was like, she was implying ghosted at the restaurant. Okay, that's that, yeah, that's worse than that. dry yeah so fuck you steve yeah you don't deserve something at her best anyway pal do go do some karaoke you fucking loser yeah he is actually typing up his new karaoke list and he got just caught up in

it this is when we get our erika jane check in and our wrap up for her for the season and she had a great season as well and she wasn't the center focus and she wasn't driving storylines but she gave us what we've needed from her and that's the softer side of erika jane the erika jane that can get along with the group that if she's confronted, she doesn't blow up at people. It's kind of a full circle moment that was important for us, the audience, I think, to resonate with her more moving forward because you get to see the different sides of her. And that's important, especially given what she did last year and watching her yell and scream away through a whole season in defense of herself.

And then to see her this season have a little bit more grace and a little bit more understanding and work her ass off to learn what empathy was. and put it into play. So, you know, I don't know if you can hear me clapping. Yeah, hers was definitely a different route, a way more direct route, I would say, for a character arc.

Yeah. Where she started off this season and we were very confused as to who this Erica Jane was. And then she was pretty consistent throughout. Like there were a couple of hiccups here and there, you know, when they were in Spain, she was talking about how she wanted apologies

from different people and like, all right, that's the same Erica. But she never blew up, not even once. And even when they were in Spain, in Vegas. I mean, she just kind of ignore the whole sudden of it all. And she said, I want to have a good time. I'm here with my friends. Weird reaction from Erica.

Now when we're looking back, we're like, good. Yeah. It's great. So yeah, we did see a lot from Erica. And for better or worse for the show, that's the thing that I'm a little worried about is if she has this kind of tame attitude towards everything, I'm hoping that this is just a transitional phase where it's, all right, we're getting a little bit of a

softer, maybe a little more empathetic, Erica. And then next year, she'll be comfortable with that. So she'll be able to blow up about certain things and not, you know, take everything to heart, but also, you know, show up for the show, which I'm a little afraid that if she doesn't show up for the show and she does this again, we're not going to have a lot next year. I think that you just phrased it perfectly, and I think that that's what's going to happen.

I think that she, look, she's very smart, and she knows how to play this season. I think that she went into it understanding that if she was going to win the audience back, she needed to do this. But I also think this was genuinely her journey. I think that in her life where she is and what she wants out of her life now that she's gone through all this shit I think she recognizes like

I can't afford to just like yell and scream my way through shit like I need to look inward and she did all of that and like a huge congratulations to her for being able to do it successfully and I think that as she gets more comfortable with that I also don't think that she wanted

to blow up during this transitional phase because then people could call it into question like oh you're putting on an act oh you're faking it oh whatever which wouldn't have been the case because people have emotions and she could have blown up but at the same time

by showing restraint and by showing a cool calm collected head to get through this season I think it put her leaps and bounds ahead of where she started this season and it does lead into an interesting season next year where it's like okay we know you're in a good place

we know that you can be empathetic so now let's see all of the worlds combined let's see all sides of Erica Jane show up for a season and that could be fantastic because you know what Erica can do Erica could carry a season. She definitely could step into that role if you get all of the sides of her

and she's not under the gun from the FBI and the DEA and all this crazy shit. If you get her in a good place with her career's doing well, she's happy, she's successful, she's got friends again, you will get all sides. She will challenge her.

And I think that that is how we can kind of hopefully move forward next year. Yeah, I mean, I can definitely say it. If anybody can do it, Eric can do it. But we get a performance from her, which I got to be honest, That was the first time I think I've heard the majority of it's expensive to be me. Not how I thought it went.

No? No. What'd you think? I didn't think it, like, I could hear that song on the radio, and I didn't know that it was like that. Yeah, it's a good song. It's a good song. I know, but that's what I'm saying. You're used to hearing Adriana.

Stuff like that. Stupid songs. It's, you know, good as gold. Like, that's kind of in my head. I've definitely heard expensive to be me, like, in the background. I've heard snippets. I've never seen it performed in. I thought you were going to say something about her lip singing.

No. Did you think she was? Definitely. But this takes me back to what I said. She was putting on a performer. A lot of people. You had a fucking massive issue with this. I know I did.

Two weeks ago. I'm still not comparing her to Beyonce or Taylor Swift or somebody else who actually goes to concerts and has a huge following. I'm saying that somebody like Adriana or Erica, the housewife singers, yeah, of course they live sync. But they can also sing. I don't think Adriana. Actually, I don't think Erica can either.

That's definitely fucking auto-tunes, bro. Come on. Everybody is auto-tuned on track. On track? Yes, they have. Not autotuned? Dude. No.

What are we doing? I don't think you get this. You don't understand. What about your famous, your loving country singers? You think those big boys that sing their? They're in the booth? Yeah, they have the, like, adjustment. It's not auto-tuned.

auto tune is not necessarily like the T-pane like that kind of shit. It just keeps you on key if your voice spikes slightly or goes flat slightly. It gets you within a range that it all sounds. Yes, that's why songs on the radio all sound clean and they don't miss a note. And when you go to a concert, sometimes they go to, you're, I know what you're doing. I don't like you. I think if you go to a booth right now, so you're saying if you go to a booth right now and you sing. Yes.

And they auto tune it. It's going to sound great. Yeah. fucking bullshit. That's how recording studios work. No, it's not, dude. What are you talking about? It's still going to sound like shit.

No, it's not. First of all, I can sing, bitch. Second, what are you talking about? What do you mean? You can't sing. Yes, I can. Wait, what is happening? Please sing for us.

I'm not singing for you, but I was also the lead in two music. That's just at our live show in Philly, March 6. If you want to sing for us. You want to take it to this level. I was the lead in two musicals that I had to try out for. When? Footloose. I was, Willard Hewitt.

I didn't say what. I said when. When I was 19 and 20 years old. 15 years ago. So what? You can't sing anymore. Yes, I can. You don't have it anymore.

This is, one, it's kind of mean. Two, it's kind of gaslighty. And three, I think you're just trying to get me to sing. I can, I'm not a good singer, but I can 100% carry a tune. And I feel, I feel attacked. I feel unsupported. And I feel gaslit. And I don't appreciate it.

All right. And maybe one day, you know what? Maybe I will sing. Just to prove you wrong. it'll be at a live show. It's not going to be on this podcast. Yeah, of course. But that's because you're going to play with the levels on the podcast.

You said that's not a thing. You said that's not a thing. So now you're contradicting yourself. You're now contradicting yourself. You said it's not a thing. You're still going to not sound good. Why do you think every song on the radio sounds clean? Because they're good singers.

Fuck you. No, they're not. And that's ridiculous. Do you know that the booth does that? And you're just like, is this all a ploy? I fucking hate it. Oh, my God. You've been so far into all of that.

God, you're so easy, dude. You know I'm already not feeling great, which means I'm fiery, more fire than usual. I don't feel great either, but that means I'm a little loopy. I know, and then you do shit like this. Purely. Uh, anyway, Erica had a great performance. I really enjoyed it. She looked great, too.

She does. Like, the fact that she's 50, I mean, she looks outstanding. Like, I'm genuinely happy for Eric. and where she has gone on this journey. It's been fun. Her and Sutton, and you called it also, it's also interesting that the two that are thriving this year formed an alliance, not an alliance,

but a friendship at least finally. We could call it an alliance if anybody else did anything. That's a good point. It's like maybe they stand against them. Oh, wait, nobody else did anything this entire season. They didn't do shit, but that's when we found out. Fucking Eagle Woman had a bigger performance this year. Eagle Woman did.

She left more of an impact. But we found out that PK was gone for 39 days, and this is when Doreet's starting to openly question. I don't know if we can continue this. I don't know if I can accept, can accept him if he won't change. Calling into question, can they make it in the long run? So at least we have that cliffhanger. But again, is that just opportunistic to be like, oh, here's my story. Yeah, I think it's a little opportunistic. I also had an issue with the whole confessional of Doreet saying that because she did start it off by saying, I don't know if we can make it. Yeah. And the entire

conversation after that that she was having or the confessional that she was having, was all about her saying, well, I don't know. Maybe we'll see. I don't really know. So, yeah, I think it's a little opportunistic.

I think that she is trying to set herself up because she realizes she's not friends with anybody else. So what are you really going to do on the show? I don't know. I just don't care. We don't have to read. And I love it because when we started talking about Doreet not being on the show and we have no use for her on the show anymore,

a lot of people commented. I'm like, we need Doreet. We need the fashion queen. We need the fashion queen. We need the fashion queen. We need her to be there. We don't.

We don't. This is questioning her taste or her fashion. Look, fashion is a secondary when it comes to these shows. If you don't have good storylines, if you don't have good drama, what the fuck is fashion going to do for me? That's a good point. I'm going to be bored. You're not going to see the fashion because you're going to turn the show off because it's boring. Yeah.

So who cares? That's not enough for her to be on the show anymore. No, I agree with you 100%. I was simply saying, like, that was the big. argument that people have. The only argument that people could come up with was the fashion. No one's denying that. Not one person. But as Shooter just said very eloquently, fashion can be second. It is not a first trait that can carry a housewife through a season. So I agree with you, but that wraps up the party and we get the one month later. And this is when they picked the cameras back

up. And you know what? I was furious when they started with Amory. I was like, what are you doing? Why? Why is she on this? We know why we're here. Why are we starting here? Yeah, we don't need to go through the, like, what Amory is up to. I knew eventually I realized what they were doing.

But at first I was like, are we going to get a check in with Am Marie? And then they went, I was just very confused and I was a little frustrated by that. Because we're waiting the entire episode for this. We're waiting a whole season for this. And you start there. Yep. Why? I don't get whatever.

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Yeah, I think that was her goodbye to Anne. No, I actually do think she's going to come back. I think she's coming back to. think that they're going to one and done her but we start to talk about Kyle and Moe we get a quick little Zach Peter did you hear him I heard him we got a little Zach Peter audio clip on there so shout out to our boy but I love that hip hop Rob is now joining the fun oh dude he would be a great podcaster he would be so good maybe we should have hip hop Rob on and like that's the thing that frustrates me with crystal is if Rob like what Rob just said there saying you know

maybe Morgan put it out into the press, that was the best thing, the best line, the best scene that we got from the Crystal household this entire season. It was a great, and it was a great line, and it's funny, and it's also maybe true, and who knows, and it's great. I just loved it. I thought I was, I was not expecting it at all. I wasn't either, but that leads me to believe that with more screen time, that house can produce. I think Crystal can do more. I still think that we got glimpses of it this year. I really hope they bring her back, and I really hope that she goes into next season

with, like, a tenacity to kind of move it, to kind of show us the stuff that we've got glimpses of. I want to see that full force next year. I'm just at the point now where glimpses aren't doing it for me. No, and I understand that. That's kind of what my point is, is like, give us a little bit more. We know you're capable, and Rob is a great person to bounce off of.

Like, he can play the game. You might not be around that often, to be honest. He's got a lot to do, yeah. But I don't know. We don't know because we don't get to see. That's a great point I just don't know who to blame for that anymore I don't know

Up is down left is right But we get Sutton and Garcell FaceTiming about this whole thing And they seemed a little too I don't know Celebratory Yeah that's yeah Little too celebratory that they were right

Like they're kind of glossing over The root of this thing like yeah You guys call them Smirking and like I told you so Like let's remember that A couple that you've been friends with For a very long time Is separating

That's a sad thing. You shouldn't have this moment, especially on camera, of kind of high-fiving each other. Like, ha-ha, we called it. I called her out for this. And she lied to us all season. From a viewer standpoint, the frustration is understandable because we watch these shows to dive deeper into the lives of people. Okay. From a humanity standpoint, Kyle and Mo don't owe anybody else shit.

They don't have to explain what's going on within their marriage because that is their marriage. They don't offer that stuff up because they don't want to talk about it because they don't have to. So from a show standpoint, fine. And I guess they can have frustration there because they share their lives and they're not getting that return. To an extent, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm going to say. I guess Sutton is, Sutton's a little interesting because aside from the scene in Spain where they, Kyle and Sutton essentially make up and Sutton apologizes for being a bad friend. And we see the snippet from the reunion next week where Sutton says, you were very mean to me and you were terrible.

She's like, when? It's like all the time. And we agree with that. Like, we used to see that and we're like, this is a very weird friendship. It seemed very one-sided. But then she apologized and did the I love you thing. So, like, that kind of threw me off a little bit. If we take that out, then yes, I'm okay with Sutton because she's doing a good job of balancing.

This is a TV show. So I'm going to say, you know, maybe I would handle a little differently if I'm asking a friend about what's going on with their marriage. But on the TV show, I'm fine with the way that she handled it. Garcell doesn't make any sense to me. Because Garcel doesn't deserve to be smug about this. Yes, you were also asking the questions and you were leading the Inquisition when Sutton wasn't there. But at the same time, what have you shared?

Like, we didn't even see your beach house this year. You keep referencing the beach house. That could be a storyline. I wouldn't really care for it, but that could be something. There's not a lot aside from you being a parent that you're sharing. And like, yes, we do like those scenes. But you're not really mixing it up. You're very one-dimensional when it comes to a housewife.

So you don't really get to be smug. Sutton, I can see, but Garsel, no. I agree with that. I think that could she have been smug in regards to Sutton? Like, yeah, I still think it was bad for him. I think that you should never have that. That's the TV show, though. I'm not,

you know. That's fair. But it takes us to Kyle and Moe. And we've been talking about it at nauseam. We've been looking for clues. We've been going on social media, reading news articles. Everybody's talked about this split. And as

the tweets are showing you, the reason why this is such a captivating breakup or separation, this is one of those couples that a lot of people gravitated towards, myself included. When Kyle and Moe were vibing, they're fun to watch, man. Yeah, they were. They're fun to watch. They play off each other very well. It seemed to be a

love-filled marriage with these beautiful kids, this beautiful house. It was almost like the American dream on TV. I'm going to get ahead of this now, though. I know we were going to talk about it eventually. I didn't care for the montage at the end. It made me so sad. It made me so sad.

That is, and we did, it's kind of the polar opposite of the montage that we got in VPR, where it was like, all right, it's the end of an era. We've got 10, we did 10 years here. We're going to go through all the best moments. And it was like, here's Tom and Schwartz. And here's Schwartz and Katie. Here's Tom and Ariana. Those are the best parts.

It's like, oh, no, that's really sad. This was actually sad. Genuantly. It's like, oh, did we have to do that? We didn't have to do this. And then you put on top of it that Kyle's going to watch this. episode, watch herself breaking down. I don't know if she's going to watch it.

I hope she's not. I really hope she does. No way. Like if she gets to that last scene, she's like, how would you mentally handle that? I would turn it off after the white party. You have to. You can't watch the end of it because it's too sad. And I think that what this scene really embodied for me

and what made it tougher to watch is like we forget. It's very easy to forget. And I'm sure you listening at home, forget as well like these are very real people this is a real family a lot of the stuff we see

is played up and they're playing characters sometimes and all that stuff may be true but in this moment that we got to see which any other situation I probably wouldn't want to be in this room and I don't need cameras in there this is one of those like Adrian's ketamine therapy

but because it's been the topic of conversation for so long like we need to see this as viewers but this is so real because the kids are there, Mo is there, Kyle is there, we haven't heard anything from them about anything at all. So this is all so raw, but it starts with a confessional from Kyle and even how she introses it is problematic because she's like, you know, the news broke when the whole family was together, which sucks so much because the girls are, their phones are blowing up, Kyle's

phone's blown up, Mo's phone's blown up. And Kyle's like, you know, I was more focused on the fact that, Our marriage is in a really bad spot. The girls just found out, like, our entire world just got flipped upside down. Life as we know it is over, Mo's biggest concern was who leaked the story. Yep. And that's, that, I think, shows. It in a nutshell.

Exactly. That's their marriage in a nutshell in that one sentence. But Erica shows up to consoler. And Erica, even at her worst, is always genuine. And she walks in and says, she was there for me during all this, never shit on me during my thing. I have to show up for her. She even takes it far enough to say, hey, when I didn't recognize things were going wrong in your marriage,

if I wasn't present enough or attentive enough and paying attention enough, I'm really sorry because that's fucked up. Friends should be more aware. Like, her presence of mind when she's not going through shit, like she's, I don't know, I'm a huge Eric fan now. Yeah, no, she was great for the scene.

And again, this is one of the real moments. And they did a good flashback for when Erica was going through everything with Tom. Kyle was there for her and look I don't think that it's one-sided I think that when it really comes down to it things like that you do need somebody who's gone through something now I don't know if it's not and Erica at one point sort of made it the same thing she tried to relate the two and they're very yeah you can't do that that was my one issue with it but overall I think that Erica was good there because she did get Kyle to start talking about certain things that we haven't seen pretty much all season my question is why is this happening and it didn't happen at all during the season, but whatever. And Kyle did start talking. And we actually did get a very real moment between the two of them.

And you could see that this was very serious. And my questions were pretty much during the whole thing. Obviously, like, once you bring the kids into it, it gets fucking crazy. And it's wild to see the children's reaction. And that's when it gets very real. Yeah. But I had a problem from the start because, said we didn't want to tell you anything

because we didn't want it to you know affect your lives like what you rather than find out from People magazine exactly that's where like the the perspective really falls short for me agreed you realize what's going on and you know who you already know like there's already been cheating rumors out there and even when Kyle was hanging out with Morgan

people were taking pictures of the two of them and questioning things when you were going through everything like years and years ago and people were talking about cheating rumors with you everybody was reporting on it so you've already gone through a lot of this why would you try to play this close to the chest when you know that there's people out there that want that story and they notice things whether you like it or not whether you think you're showing it or not people notice things and they start talking about it you know this is going to come out one way or another why would you not get ahead of this

especially considering your kids are in their late teens and 20s phones and social media and are also prominent figures they're on your TV show so they're like they're in the mix so they're going to find find out they probably get DMs from fucking random people that say hey I just saw your dad cheating on your mom like a thousand percent they get those things so by protecting your children and not talking about it when you and Kyle are behind closed doors talking about it it's fucked up it makes no sense it didn't protect them and to your point with Erica right before we get into the scene with the kids you know it does start to get some real answers out of Kyle and she says everyone's trying to point at a cheating rumor or was I with Morgan or was he with somebody else and she highlights like it's not about one person it's not about one thing this is an overall feeling in our marriage between the two of us it's about mo and i we get conflicting evidence later when she says he did something yeah she lost all trust and couldn't get it back yeah it was very contradictory but at the same time i think that you can lump the two together and i think

that this is something that gets lost especially on the bravoverse and just the public eye period because these two extend past bravo you know Kyle richards and mo with the agency and everything like this is a bigger couple than just a bravo couple and the one thing that this highlights is like yeah maybe that was the root of like the last straw like the straw that broke the camel's back maybe but it's important to highlight like this is a marriage like a 26 year long marriage that there is a lot of issues a lot of smaller issues maybe compounded by a cheating rumor or confirmation of cheating but maybe that was just all she needed to be able to say like yeah i'm now actually done and i think the bigger thing to look at here is the loss of connection these two are not on the

same page and it looks like they don't really care to be because they're both on their own life path moving forward and i think that given her past and given what she wants out of life now and being the mom that stayed home with the kids and sacrificing everything she did she's at a phase in her life now where if your partner in all of that then turns around and is not meeting you halfway and there are cheating rumors and potentially confirmation of cheating what that says to me is mo never respected you right he assumed that this was your role forever and saw you as lesser than and somebody that's going to take care of the homestead and you wanting to branch out and move on and do your own thing you needed more support there you needed mo to come in and say hey i love that

you're doing this, how can I meet you halfway and help out? What can I do to further you in your life as you have furthered me? And honestly, cheating aside, I think that that is what it is. I think that she got to a point where she looked in the mirror and said, look at all I've done for Moe and this family, for the agency, for his career, and put my shit aside, my acting career, whatever it may be that she wants to do, look what I've given up. And the minute that I'm trying to move forward in my life and trying to do these things and stand on my own two feet where the fuck is moe he's in duby he's in milan he's everywhere else but here so now i have to play two roles of the career woman and the house and that's impossible that's not fair when you have a partner that should be

able to do that with you and i think that eventually it got to a point where she's like you know what fuck this yeah there's also the chance that they just never communicated between the two of them well i think that's inherent yeah well that's long with yeah but We're hearing Kyle say all of these things. I wonder if she ever actually sat down and talked to Mo about that. I mean, if she did, maybe, like, you got to think back to, like, yeah, the cheating scandal, cheating rumors, whatever you want to call it, aside. I don't know. I mean, we saw the two of them for years as a great couple, but I don't, like, I could imagine Kyle sitting down with Mo and talking about her career.

I don't see Mo just immediately pushing it down, like somebody like P.K. would. I agree with that. I see him actually answering things. So that's where I feel like they talked about how they've been together for 20 plus years. They've been together for 20 plus years. And Kyle even started to highlight how, you know, she needed him, like she used him because he convinced her to start taking chances on things. And he needed her because he would be dead without her because he takes chances on everything. Fair.

Okay. But you've been together for 20 years and you start to kind of shape each other into a different type of form and then eventually you start to grow apart. And they're not communicating in between. I think it just kind of ran its course. And obviously, if the cheating, cheating rumors are confirmed and that's actually what we're doing with Kyle at the end when she's at her confessional, if we're taking that of face value, then yeah, okay, a lot of things were going on and then that was the final straw. That makes a lot of sense to me. I don't really, the things about relationships is, yes, we watch them on TV. Yes, we've seen them for years.

We have no fucking ideally known. We can sit here and we can try to go through therapy or try to psychoanalyze the two of them based off of what we've seen. on TV, but at the end of the day, we have no fucking idea what happens in that house. Yeah, but that's our job. That's what we do. Well, no, we can, I'm, but this is also our job, is to say we don't fucking know what happens. No, I agree with that.

Just because we see something on TV doesn't mean that we know what's going on. We don't know the ins and outs. I'm saying from, from where I'm, like, the evidence that I've been presented with, and there's obviously more there, and there's two sides to every story, and the third is the truth. But just from what I've been given, that's kind of my read on it as far as, at

least in I believe that this is where Kyle is. This is what she thinks. Now is there more there and Mo has a very different story. Very possible. And maybe you'll get that if you like watch his show on Netflix. I don't really know what the angle is there. Yeah, I don't really. I don't think on watching that. No, I'm, this is not a plug to go watch that show. I'm just saying maybe there's more there if you do watch that show. Well, maybe the new confirmed cheating thing is that Mo thought that Morgan and Kyle hooked up and he got pissed off. So he went out and cheated on her. Maybe. That's Possibility? I don't know.

See, now we're just playing a full-blown speculation game. That's the podcast game. We just throw shit out there. No, we don't do that. But as we talk to the kids and they're processing this whole thing, which is next to impossible to watch,

like it was so fucking sad watching them all. Like, you can literally see the moment in each of their eyes that the gravity of the situation, like, actually hits them. Yeah. That sucked because. Yeah, it was brutal. They didn't sign up for the show. We shouldn't see that.

We should not see that. Nope. We shouldn't see it. We should have seen Kyle and Mo sit down with each other and talk it out. We didn't need to see the kids involved. Didn't need the montage afterwards. Fuck, no. God, no.

But we really didn't need, you know, Portia who's, what, 16? Yeah. We didn't need her there. Like, that's real raw emotion. That's three kids processing their parents separating after 26 years. I even feel bad, like, I even feel bad the way that I watched it. Like, I was still in analysis mode. Yeah.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, Mo reached out to Portia. and she went to Kyle. I'm like, fuck, that's rough. I don't know what to think about that. And then I just kind of had to turn my brain off. I did the same thing. No, I just turned my brain off. I'm like, you know what, that's not,

I'm not going to get into it. I don't want to talk about that. I think the scene speaks for itself. That was real. Yeah, that was as real as it gets on reality TV. Too much. We don't need to see that stuff. I wish it was just Kyle and Moe talking it out or having a discussion to end the season.

But I'm pretty sure that, and I'm sure Bravo production, I actually knew it as well, we would have gotten the same conversation out of them that we've gotten all seasons. So to bring a different dynamic to it by adding the kids into it, now you have a scene, but that sucks. Yeah, I wonder whose idea that was. I don't know. That Bravo's idea?

Was that Mo or Kyle? I don't. I'm not sure, but I even wrote Happy Times Recap, Sadface. That is a sad face, yeah. But we get a reunion preview, which it looks like Kyle is under the ringer. and they're going through the ringer which she needs to be because we got a lot of questions

and the fact that Erica is saying to Andy like I want you to eviscerate her out there something has happened something happened something came out Erica found out more information maybe she got frustrated because she found something out and was like why the fuck am I burying my soul Sutton's bearing her soul you're not doing anything and you have the most to talk about

that's bullshit agreed so I hope that this reunion has the makings to be a fantastic one It could be really, really good. If they can stay on point. I swear to God, if we spend a half an hour talking about Crystal and Anne-Marie. We're going to.

It's a three-parter. We're going to. We're going to do that. We're going to get stuck on Sutton's esophagus for too long. Like, there's a few things that we're going to talk about that are going to be frustrating. But bear with me, because I do think that when we get to the juicy stuff, there's enough here to make for a great, great end to the season if they do it right. And I'll tell you this, too. in my opinion

for next season for people to go into next season encouraged and hopeful they need to land at least two of these episodes because I think that they'll be in trouble if they don't and trouble is in quotations because people are still going to watch Beverly Hills

but I'm just saying to set it up for a successful season what is 17 coming up whatever you need to have something to leapfrog into next year and whether that's Erica taking the lead whether that's a single

Kyle, I don't know what the route's going to be, but I hope that we get some answers here. Are you laughing at that one? Yeah, I'm laughing at the idea of Kyle just plugging Morgan in instead of Mo. Dude, that would actually be funny. That would be really funny. We're seeing a lot more of Kyle and Morgan out in the media now again after we saw the Instagram. I saw a picture of two of them with Kesha. Oh, on the street corner.

And the headline was Kyle and girlfriend Morgan Wade. It's all very confusing. Very weird. If anybody knows what's going on, please let us know because we have no idea. But all in all, I enjoyed the season. It could have been a lot better. It could have been a lot worse. And how I'm going to rate it will all depend on how they tie it all together in the reunion.

We're holding our ratings until after the reunion. I have to because I think this season more than most is so reliant on the reunion because at the reunion flops, the season sucked. We should start at the end of every show. Like when the reunion's over and everything, you and I should pose for a picture and then in the middle it says the rating for the show. I love that idea.

I think we should start doing that. What's our rating system? It's kind of be something goofy. It's got to be, what do you get? Like, what's the star rankings? I was just, I mean, out of ten makes the most sense of how we've always done it. It's not that much fun. Well, we've got to do something goofy. You get six bros. Yeah, we'll use bros as the incumbent of, yeah,

yeah, we'll do that. And then the best is 13. Why, are you big Taylor Swift fan? No, that's not what I was saying. I'm just saying it should just be something obscure because that's our ranking system. Also, your favorite fucking number. It is my favorite number. I know, so that's what you were doing it for.

You know why? Because nobody else likes it. People think it's... Dollar Swift likes it. People think it's unlucky. Well, smart people apparently like the number 13. Good singers. Successful people.

Good singers. Yeah, there you go. Let me reiterate, though. Oh, no, we're not. No, no other questions. I don't want to hear more. I'm just saying, I'm not a great singer, but I can sing. That's all I'm saying.

And I hate that I have. had to announce that on the podcast because I never needed to talk about that, but you got me riled up. I didn't do anything. Don't you gaslight me now. Let's get the questions. From Canterbury 25, was it gross and tone deaf for Erica to sing expensive now? No.

No, that's her big song. It doesn't change just because. I understand the premise of the question. I get what you're saying, but no. At the end of the day, it's a song. And that's her biggest song. So what is she going to scratch that? It actually might be more expensive to be here right now with lawyers fees.

That's actually a very valid point. She's not wrong. From Sin Liu, are we here for Denise shading Erica at the finale? No. Didn't really care about it, honestly. Lost over it. It also just kind of looked bad on Denise because Erica is, for all intents and purposes, moving up in the world. Yeah, and also we were teased before the season that Denise would be here and there and whatever, and it fell flat.

Yes, agreed. She sucked. Agreed. Oh, this is a good question. Let's talk about this. From Joey Melch, what exactly is P.K.'s occupation? He's a... I thought he was a producer.

Isn't he a film producer? I think he's a movie producer. Is that what he does? I think so. I don't know. I have no idea. Maybe he's into peekie blinders. That's why he's got to go over there.

Maybe. Yep, that's Marguess. From Caroline Montez, what do you think the purpose of having Kathy at the reunion seems random that's a good point um i've actually thought about this i think what it is and we kind of saw this with kim earlier in the season when kyle needed a little support she brought him in we found out that kathy and kyle are now good again yeah so it could be a support system for kyle they brought her in for like i don't know i think it's more for kyle so that she can say it seems like kiles on the outs with everybody at the reunion everybody's pissed off at her so maybe

they brought Kathy in as like a fucking bulldog to go after and protect Kyle? Or maybe they just know that Kathy moves the needle so they're like, let's bring Kathy on. Yeah, I don't think you need to bring Kathy in to move the needle on this one. I think people are going to watch regardless. Yeah, who knows? It is random, though.

We agree. It's very random. I like this one from John Cratelli. Do you think we got a lot of bros asking questions that I like that? Do you think that Kyle gets a pass on not sharing enough versus someone like Robin Dixon? I do think she gets more of a pass and no I don't think she should no I think she gets more of a pass and I think that she

should because even comparing the two robin's in complete denial yeah and defends her cheating husband yeah Kyle we at least could tell something was wrong the whole time even though she didn't come right out and say it yeah he was still leaving at least a breadcrumb trail yeah robin's delusional yeah they're not the same it's tough to compare them I do not think that Kyle should get a pass. No, she shouldn't get a pass, but I think comparing the two. More so than Robin.

I would say that she deserves the pass more than Robin. Yeah, I agree with that. From Hotcakes, 1987, who do you think is staying slash going next season? Realistic, let's do our first, who would we want? And then realistically, do you think they're going to make any moves? So who would you want to get rid of for next season? Amory is a dead giveaway.

I hate to say, but just because we've been waiting for so long, I can move on without Crystal. Oh, interesting. She's not doing anything for me. This is three seasons now. We haven't done anything. I think it's fair to say you can move on, at least the threat of moving on,

maybe that pushes her in the right direction. The rest of the cast can stay. I think Ann Marie is a no-brainer. I think that you, bump Doreet down to a friend of. Oh, Doree can go, actually. Let's leave Crystal for one more season and threaten her, but Doret go. See, I think you bump Dorete to a friend of to scare the rest of the cast.

Friend of who? It's a friend of the show. Of the show. A friend of the show. Friend of Bravo. I think that what you do by knocking a certified housewife that's been on the show for a long tenure down to a friend of role, it puts the rest of the cast, especially the newcomers on notice. And now you have people showing up to work.

Let's go even further. Just fire her. No, everybody's afraid. No, because I... The worst that's going to happen to me is I'm going to get demoted. I'm still on the show. If you get rid of her entirely, you're like, oh, shit. But if you demote her and you see her putting the work in to get back to the...

That's a little example. That might push everybody else a little bit. I'm into it. I think realistically... Everybody's back. I think everyone's coming back. Yeah, I don't think they make any moves. I think they might knock Anne-Marie to a friend of role.

Yeah. and they might bring in some... Like, I don't think they're going to do that after giving her a full-blown housewife role the very next year moving her to friend of, that move doesn't make much sense to me. You should have started her as friend of and brought her in? Period, doesn't make sense. None of it really makes sense. That's a good point.

At that point, who gives... I think she's back still full housewife. I think you're going to see the same cast show up again next year, but I think that there's a lot of people on the chopping block next year if it doesn't land. Yeah. I think that we will see a reformed show after next season. if it doesn't hit. That's my prediction.

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