Bros & Shows - "Kyle is a Mess" and Carl's IN THE MIX! (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

What's up bros?? This thing just keeps getting messier and messier. Thankfully, we start the episode on a heart warming note with Jesse showing us what he's really about and we couldn't be happier about that. However, the episode leads to a dark place with talks of separation leading to a brutal dinner and Kyle's breaking point while West defends his girlfriend because "it's the only thing he's really spoken up about all summer" ugh. We need a shower after this one Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Although not an action-packed episode, it does raise the question, at least in my head. It's not so much were they boinking. It's how long had they been boinking? It's how often are they boinking at this time? Did they boink during this episode? Did they boink in the summer house itself, or was it just a New York thing? Did they boink in the poolhouse? Did they boink while Kyle and Carl were fun?

outside. Did they boink at the dinner table? Freedom did. My favorite part of that is we got a review actually that said, I think it was a one star and it said that we're adults. Can we please stop saying boink?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it was three stars. It was three stars. So they only took away two stars, which, you know, that's okay by me. I'm all right. As long as the comment's funny, I don't give a shit.

I mean, every Bravo podcast, podcast gets a bad rating every once in a while. Yeah, people disagree with here. And they're like, this sucks. Yep. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a...

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for everybody for whoever wants to listen. I'm a co-ho, Steele Russell, joined as always. Welcome back Sherlock Magoutes. What's up, dude? I've got my Carl's Mess sweatshirt on. This came in today. I was getting FOMO. I ordered this thing like right when it dropped,

and I saw people getting it before I got it, and I was unbelievably angry, very angry. I was a mess, you could say. I was very upset. But it came in, right on time because it wouldn't have made a ton of sense if Carl's a mess came out because he wasn't really doing a whole lot the last couple episodes. But this episode, oh boy, oh boy.

He, well, I, you know what? I don't think he was a mess. I think he was finally asserting his alpha dominance. That's what he should be doing. About damn time, Carl. But yeah, this episode was kind of low key. Not a whole lot happened, especially early on. We got a lot happen at the end.

A lot if you want to put your sleuthing hats on, a lot of body language, a lot of weird moments. I have a question about the Kyle part of the whole thing. I, again, just based on interactions alone, how they're looking at each other, how they're talking to each other,

it really does. I'm not trying to tinfoil hat my way through this whole thing. It feels to me like something's been going on. It feels like, I don't know if it was physical at this, this point. I'm leaning towards yes, but they've been talking for a while, like a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's definitely the vibe that I'm getting from this. And you know, usually at least for the last four weeks when we do this, we typically talk about current events.

Nothing's going on. I mean, West is talking a good amount on his podcast, which I don't know. I'm still kind of conflicted. Like, do I listen to it just to get research? I'll watch the, the clips that come out. And mostly this week, He was just talking about his leaked nudes, which I guess goes back a couple of years and somebody like. What's for real? Yeah. Oh, yeah, there's a real.

Yeah, totally. He addressed it actually today on whatever episode or whatever. Bummer for him. Sophie Cunningham. Yeah, no, big bummer for him. A little. I used to say little bummer for him. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a tiny bummer, you know, out there. I don't want to say micro bummer, but, you know, close to it. Yeah, pretty, pretty small bummer in the grand. give me thanks. But yeah, the way he was talking about, he's like, this is like the sixth thing that I've got. I've got so much shit going on and so many things I have to do that like this is pretty low on the total pole. Yeah, yeah, that's probably true. You're probably, I, if you have a heart, you might be going through it and figuring it out. But I think it's majority, everybody hates me is probably your number one. Not necessarily I fucked up, but it's everybody hates me. And that's my big issue right now.

but other than that I mean Amanda posted a story the other day a mirror selfie so and she turned her comments off so there's nothing to really report there either so nothing really on the front right now which is a bit of a change up we actually just talk about the episode

which I'm a little happy about maybe conflicted perhaps conflicted but yeah I saw the story and like you know the crowd out there that's like leave Amanda alone she's a person too what the fuck ever like I think it's insane how they're acting right now you can do that a year from now if

she's not on this show if she decides not to come back to summer house and she's living a quiet life away from marketing and all the ads and bravo obviously you know in the city's gonna make things a little bit more interesting but if she just decides to leave reality TV and it's a year from now and people are still like bashing her get over it it's not that big of a deal anymore But now, as long as she's still on the show, yes, she's opening herself up to that. So you should be commenting on things and doing whatever you want. It just, it lends further to the lack of remorse and empathy. Like that's the thing with West going on his podcast, me and like jokingly like,

that's like bottom of the list. Yeah. That's pretty embarrassing that you have such a long list of shit. And like, I think the big takeaway that the crowd that's like, you know, quit cyberbullying or whatever. Even KJ spoke up and said like a cyber bully joke because people would be getting on him about it. The way that they're handling it is what's leading to the amount of shit they're getting. Because they have not said sorry.

We got leaked audio from the reunion where they're not taking any accountability. That's what's going on. It's not just they did this awful thing. So let's go and attack them get your pitchforks. They did the awful thing. And since the awful thing has occurred, they have yet to even apologize. And there is things to apologize for. Even if you're Bethany fucking Frankl who's like, adults can get together.

Go eat a crab leg and fuck off. But even if you're in that crowd, you could acknowledge the Sierra aspect of it is fucked up. Especially when you watch this episode in particular and you sit at the beach with Amanda going, I will protect her heart over anything. I'll cut West out right now. I'll cut him out right now. You know what? I don't want Sierra to get hurt so badly that I'm going to fuck West.

And then she'll know what kind of guy he is. That's what it's given. That's such a funny way to swim that. Yeah. I mean, again, not a ton to talk about, but KJ was on Watch what happens live. And that was interesting. You know, everybody's got their feelings about KJ and Dara and what's going on there.

But West had texted KJ right after the reunion. And KJ hadn't read it. So he went through and Andy suggested like, you should go get your phone and we should talk about it. Of course he's going to do that. And KJ actually opted to do it. He read through the whole thing. He's like,

oh, it's really long. I'll read it though. And, you know, whatever you feel about that, if you think it's like kind of, you know, a little messed up that he would read it

because I saw a couple of people commenting like, all right. This was personal between the two of you. You don't have to read it and watch it on Live. KJ can do whatever the fuck he wants. He's not the wrong person in all of this. But it was a pretty nice message. I will give it that. It was a nice message.

And obviously you feel bad for KJ because him and West were really good friends. He has a really good relationship with Sierra with Mia. So he's got to be in that terrible, terrible situation of, you know, if there is an open door down the road of being friends with West, am I going to ruin my relationship with Sierra? Am I going to ruin that friendship? Maybe. We don't know, but that's the impossible position to be in. So for anybody out there that's looking at KJ, like, all right, dude, you're not really

involved in all of this. He is. That's summer and then the months thereafter, I mean, he got very close to Sierra to the point where they're calling each other siblings. Like, they have a very good friendship. They have a very good familial friendship, if you want to call it that. So he's in the worst position possible. So he is very much involved in all of this because he was West Friend first and then got

close to Sierra. So don't do that. But him reading this, and again, it wasn't a bad message. It was, you know, not, again, not really taking responsibility, but it was more like I want to, you know, hopefully open the door to the two of us sitting down. You don't have to respond to this message. I'd love to, like, sit down and just talk to you about a couple of things now. And he appreciates his candor and all the things happen in the reunion, which we don't know. And, you know, there's more to that. And KJ also touched on the fact that he's got information about something that happened during the summer house, but he gets in at the reunion. So we didn't talk about it with Watch Rapids Live, of course.

So there's a lot going on. It's, again, more more candid fodder for the reunion. When it comes to that stuff, like him reading that, whatever, people thinking that he's not involved, I think that there's a deeper layer to this. And we actually touch on it this episode, because when he goes through his lost and found, and he's like, I found this brotherhood essentially in the house. when West did all this and Amanda did all this, like you can say that they weren't dating,

him and Sierra, you can say whatever the fuck you want, there was a massive amount of trust broken between very close friends. Like that's also a thing. That's a layer to this that you, you could acknowledge it or not. It's objectively true.

Like that is a big part of this. This foundation of KJ finally feeling like he's got a brotherhood is fucking shattered. Because meanwhile, the guy that brought you into the house, is being a dirt bag and lying to your face. So that's another layer that you can't just throw out the window. That's part of it.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's jump in. We get to recap this somewhat normally for once. But I love this intro with the number one guy in the group. I know Carl's number one, but Jesse's very close. I mean, what a guy, just what a stand-up guy. And we're going to Camp Sunrise. And this is a camp for kids that have cancer and they bring their sibling or a family member

or a close friend. and it allows for them to have a safe space. And it also gives the siblings and other people. I would imagine some education on it. And it just brings everybody close together. And Jesse's been working with this, which I think is incredible. He brings along West Ben, Sierra, Jesse and Carl. I guess he doesn't bring himself, obviously.

But it's just, it's a cool scene. It's like Jesse giving back. We're getting to a point now with Jesse where we've had our ups and downs, right? Like jokes aside about the number one guy in the group, We've had our ups and downs, weird year last year. This season, it came in. Weird start to the season. I don't know if production's just shifting how we're looking at him now.

We're getting to know him a bit more. But the more we get to know him and you kind of learn how he operates, he's a good dude. And stuff like this, I like seeing this part of Jesse. We haven't really gotten a lot of this. Yeah, I do think that that could be a production thing. It could be a Jesse thing where, you know, obviously when he comes on the scene in his first season, he tells everybody about his cancer. He tells everybody about his journey with it and how he's fucking scared about all of it.

And then we kind of go away from that. And look, maybe he had that one scene at the hospital last season, I think, where he went to like food. Yeah, yeah. And maybe he just wanted to clear his head of all of that and the worry that comes along with it. And I'm not going to fault him for that.

But he leans more into being a doucheback and just call it what it is. He leaned way more into being an asshole, way more being that guy at the party that's basically a fuck boy. And that doesn't do well if you're, not a lovable fuck boy and it's a very very narrow edge there where you have people who are fuck boys and they somehow get away with it the majority of fuck boys don't get away with it on these shows especially with all of the things that have been going on in the summer house so him leaning into that whether it was him or production or whatever didn't really bode well get back to

who you are like there's so many more facets away from him singing and just you know making us listen to him saying all of those things and being an asshole there's so much more to jesse and this is i would say it's a foundation of who he is. So show us more of that, Jesse. Show us more of that production. Yeah, and he has been and it's much appreciated. But it just sucks, dude. As we go through these episodes, we're right on the heels of Sierra and West

reconnecting. And what bums me out, and I think this is a big layer to the whole thing as well, they became friends again quite clearly under the guise of this is going to lead to something romantic, at least in Sierra's mind. I think that she knows if that door's opened, it's only going to go one direction. Yes, it went way too fast, way,

way, way too fast. But that's irrelevant at this juncture. Because this scene when she's like, you know, he's my bud, and then she's like, oh, that sounds way too platonic. I'm like, ah, instantly, this was going in a direction of they were going to date again. And that's

yeah. Yeah, it actually hits a lot harder with the self-awareness. like she knows that we're watching the right like it would be one thing if she went to her confessional and she's like you know we're on a new a new adventure of being friends and seeing how this goes and then we're watching the scenes are like you guys aren't friends or at least you're not viewing this as a friendship west as soon as it happened it's almost like you could see in his eyes like he's trying to find a way to escape he truly is he wanted and we talked about it last week he wanted to get to a point where they could be friends but he did it in such a way that opened the door back

to the romantic relationship and they should have had to discussion about boundaries and Sierra I mean yeah you can look at her and be like you you jumped right back into this to a guy who just went to the fucking new york times and wall street journal and went online and just started bashing you and your relationship and all the things that happened you did i don't want to say forgave him too fast but you jumped back into exactly where you were and it's going to get messy so you can really only if it were to play out how it would have let's do a little exercise here if it were to play out without the amanda thing and west and seara were hooking up again and then it ended poorly once again, we wouldn't be really having a huge

discourse about West is an asshole. We'd be having a much more even discourse of, yeah, West is absolutely an asshole. But Sierra, you jumped back into this. Like a guy who did all of those things to you, you jumped right back in and you got burn again. We'd be looking in her direction, but obviously with the Amanda situation of it all, it's all on West. And we're just screaming through our TV screens, like, come on, don't do this. And obviously, we know in hindsight, It's a bitch, but I think we'd be doing it either way. Yeah, and I think another part of it's like holding on to all of that for two years and then having this moment of I get to let it go, I'm sure it was so freeing.

And I think that again, I'm just going to lean heavy on the west side of things. Because of the dynamic set up this summer, you gave her hope. Gave her hope and a thought that, oh, shit, this might not be dead. This is the guy that I love more than anybody else. no words. So I think that because of how he set it up along the way, and then they get over that hump, he's fucking terrified.

When she hugs him and gives him a kiss on the cheek at dinner, he is fucking terrified. He's squirming, yeah. Yes, he is not comfortable. That shows you. He went too hard, too far, gave her more false hopes.

And you can watch him do it, like the hugging, like all of that other shit, the way that he talks to her, the way they were flirting, scooting his, chair closer. Like all of that stuff gives her an idea.

So I'm not going to fault Sierra. Like yeah, I totally agree. Like if she'd just jump back in, like we'd have to acknowledge that that was just, you know, come on. But there's so much here. And like there's so much emotion involved. And that's what West played. He played into that knowing he could.

Well, he played into it like a petulant child. Like he was upset. And, and again, like the. conflicting feelings throughout the summer were fucking nuts. I mean, I understand if you're in this situation of like, come on, I need to live my life. I can't just worry about Sierra the whole time.

I get that. But you can't also do that and be flirting with her. You can't also do that and be protective of her when Jesse says that they might hook up. You can't do that and get drunk and start putting your hands on her. Like that's what's giving her hope. And again, yeah, throughout the entire summer, they were flirting. They were fun, like whatever. None of that was friendship.

Like the cracks in the fault, the cracks in the defense of Sierra were always very loving and very emotional. So if you're West, you can't get on your on your pedestal at the end of all of this. I'd be like, well, I thought we were going to be friends. It's like you didn't lay out those stones of being friends. You didn't talk to her about becoming friends again. No doubt. You talk to her in a flirty way.

So no, you don't really get to do that and play that card. And again, that's probably where we'd be and what we'd be discussing if this news came out that the two of them hooked up and then it went poorly. But it's not the reality of the world that we live in. No, it's not. It's, it's so, so much worse than that. But this is who I think Jesse is genuinely. He's talking. He's like, I felt a little weird this summer.

You know, looking for a relationship with the wrong person in regards to Sierra. And he's like, look, I have friends, but I'm lonely. And I want a relationship to fill that void. But I need to continue working on myself. I was like, wow. What a, what a response. What an answer to a question nobody asked. But like, you know, Jesse?

Yes. This Jesse is fantastic. And I don't know if we just needed to see West for which really was to appreciate Jesse. I actually, I even felt bad for him. But he's like, I, you know, there's so many things going on around me. I just, I realize that I'm lonely. I'm like, dude, I feel bad for you. Let's play golf.

You'll be all right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll come play golf with you anytime. Now we get to Bailey and Levi for Bailey's It Girl Celebration party. I, I'm banking on Levi getting another chance. Mm-hmm. through Bailey.

I think Bailey is going to be able to get Levi another chance. I think the flux of what we're dealing with right now, if they are going to film this summer, which we have no news on that, but maybe at the end of the reunion, they'll talk about it a little bit more. If they were, I don't think that they can really change anything.

We talked about it before, if Amanda and West are going to be there, if Kyle's going to be there, if Carl's going to be there, Lindsay, whoever, I don't think that they can really afford to change anything, but it doesn't give me a ton of hope because Levi was not only at this event and we saw her for a split second.

She was also there the whole time when we get back to the summer house. And again, we don't see her at all. So they didn't even go to her for a lost and found. So I mean, I don't know. My hopes aren't super high, but I think the one thing you can hold on to. Oh, did you see the thing about page six when she was doing a, she was doing an interview with someone's podcast. She was alluding to, I want to get this right.

I think she was alluding to things being weird with. Sabrina and now all of the girls have said that like Bailey has now said that a couple times Levi has now said it so there's something weird going on between the girls and Sabrina and I guess a lot or I'm sorry with Darrah sorry misspoke oh they think that yeah they think Darra is only trying to get famous through KJ correct and they keep perpetuating this and they said that apparently that conversation at Lindsay's housewarming party was cut short like editors went in and just kind of ripped it apart obviously because of what's going on currently when we want to see more about Amanda and West.

But that whole conversation was a lot deeper and they did actually bring up how long she was in the room for. So there is more there. And again, we don't really fucking care because it's inconsequential. They weren't even dating at that point. But if the girls are holding on to it, there might be something more there. And that might be something to dig into next season because I don't think we're going to talk about it at the region.

No, I trust Bailey. I do. So if that's what she's saying, I'm leaning towards that. Yeah, I'm like you. But Lindsay arrives, Sierra arrives, and Lindsay and Amanda are talking. And she brings, I thought we were going to be done with this. But no, we bring up Sharon at Softbar.

Now, can I understand where she's coming from now that she's saying her side of things? Like, you know, I was very close with Sharon and she said a lot of hurtful things and blah, blah, blah. Okay. If that's what made you be so short, whether I still don't think it was the right move. but at least there's some emotional response behind that. That being said, I don't understand what conversation do you and Carl need to have? What are you talking about?

You guys are cordial. Like there is no conversation needed between you. I gave him so many chances to have this. What? There's no. Yeah. I think the way that it's going is how it should be going, to be honest. I think obviously it's incredibly weird.

We talked about that pretty much all last season. But at this point, you guys are cordial. You guys are moving towards being able to make jokes. Lindsay's happy with her baby. Carl is moving on to a new chapter of his life. I think we just let it lie. I mean, I try to look at it logically and think like, okay in a normal world, maybe. But like, if you guys broke up, what fucking conversation do you guys need to have?

Like, it's over. It's been two years. Get over it. Yeah, that. And when she talks about it, like Carl, and I love that people who make steal always sides with Carl, cry about it. Carl has acknowledged he wished that he handled things a little bit better. It didn't go the way that he wanted to go. He could have done a better job in regards to Lindsay's feelings.

When Lindsay talks about it, no ownership or accountability. You literally multiple times alluded to Carl relapsing. You call him cocaine Carl. and you go into these situations talking about it. And you're just the, you're saying that Carl and his mom are perpetual victims, which is ironic because you're not taking any ownership of your part in last season. And you did a lot of pretty shitty things.

I'm not saying Carl was in the right. It was a fucked up scenario. But you said a lot of fucked up stuff. No, I'm with you. I agree. I think you just let this one lie. There's no reason to dig back into this or have a conversation. with Carl.

If we get that, that would be very fucking weird. It would be bizarre. Like, even for reality TV, it would be very bizarre for the two of them to rehash anything

from their relationship two years later. No, no, we're good. I think we're all good. We like the awkward banter between me too. You think maybe the, the conversation between Sierra and West being friends again?

They're like, wow, they were able to just like actually be friends and not have that weird situation hang over them. I need to have a conversation with Carl if we want to make this friendship work. Maybe that's what,

maybe it's a means to an end. maybe Lindsay misses the, we've heard Carl say before, like I do miss that friendship. Maybe Lindsay misses the friendship to it. This is her working through it. She doesn't think about Carl, ever,

no, never, never, never, never, never, once. Even when we get to the house,

we have a nice little water gun fight. I like that. Amanda walks in like a wet fucking blanket, like cranky and stuff, great. So much fun. Carl makes an announcement, National Beach Day,

where are we going, the number one beach in America? That list changes all that. I thought Cesta Key was number one beach in America. Who the fuck knows? but I thought you're going to say it's our two-year anniversary. Yeah, you don't think about it. You never think about it.

Liar. I mean, I guess at least for this one, it's on the forefront of Lindsay's mind because she's doing her second annual Freedom dinner number two. I think it's funny. I have no issue. It's just like the bit. The bit is fantastic. And also we do have to mark ourselves, or rather you have to mark yourself uncalled.

because once again we have another private chef not i know well the thing is i i had talked to west at one point oh god and not that anything was ever set in stone the idea was floated out there he wanted you to cook a private dinner for him and Amanda yes yep that's going to watch them have sex this is yeah he even had a cuff chair or me set up in the corner when was this uh last week uh I was going to say it's not summer, but yeah. Hold on. Let's just none of that is true at all. No, but the idea was floated out there where I was like, oh, yeah, that would be fun.

Now, I don't think anything when it came of that, but the door was open. Now, I'm pretty sure I have no chance. And yes, you're right. Once again, uncalled to go and cook sitting here in my shame. That whole scenario, we actually discussed that on the podcast at one point. And you implied that I could go with you, but I would have to work. And I said, no. Absolutely.

You're the bartender. Yeah, no. You're not invited then. I know. Exactly that I went last time. You're not invited. Until you get invited, I'm also not invited. That's a good point.

Yeah. We'll keep trying. We'll keep lobbying. But this is the first time you hear KJ reference. He's going to do it a couple times this episode. You know, this summer changed his life according to him. And again, I think you need to take this into account when you're thinking of the big picture with the West Amanda stuff.

But I think there's validity to that because that's what KJ took away from this summer, only to find out that a lot of it was fake, that he was being lied to the whole time. So I think that is a factor that people need to give KJ some some grace over if you're going to take the stance. If you were involved, well, it kind of was. Yeah, it kind of was. And also, like, if you want to look at a different angle, we talked about it. Like, I'll never forgive West and Amanda for eroding this. This is the most cohesive group that we've seen in years on this show. There's been so many things, obviously so many moments that you're going to point to and be like Summerhouse is such a great show because they show us so many different things.

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that comments on Amanda walking in all grumpy and complaining and Sierra lets it slip that she had sat down with Amanda, trying to figure out what was going on

when she didn't come last weekend. And she says, I needed a minute to catch my breath. Watching West with that other girl really rattled my cage. Yeah.

It was the end of that sense. But we get back to the trial separation thing and the Kyle of it all. And I actually really like this from Lindsay because she acknowledges both sides. Look, I don't disagree with the advice,

but it sounds like a last-ditch effort. Yeah, dude, we're at that point. I don't think that's that shocking. But I like that she acknowledges that, one, Amanda deserves more than she's getting, but Kyle's got feelings too. So now she's in mama bear mode. Her and Jesse are the only ones that have gone to bat for Kyle.

And I think given the information we now have, it does paint a lot of things in a different light. Sure, he was in the wrong for many, many things. But it does add some weight to some of his complaints over the years, I think, personally. Yeah, no, it absolutely does. And the fact that now we're having this conversation in sequential weeks. I mean, it's almost three straight weeks that we've been talking about it. And we saw the rest of the cast kind of have that epiphany like, oh, shit, never even thought about them separating.

Never thought about that and getting a divorce. I just always thought that they'd be in it until the end and just be miserable. So now we've seen Amanda have this information. We've seen Amanda talk about this openly. We've known for, let's call it three years at this point, honestly, pretty much since they got married, that Amanda is not going to be around. That they have a lot of issues that they're just not discussing. They have a lot of issues with discussing in the communication that goes along with it. But Amanda, the way she talks about it, and this is not just because of what's going on with her and West.

The way she talks about it is just so like, my mind is already made up. like I'm in. I don't think Kyle would be in. She knows what's coming. She knows that discussion is happening. And she's hoping, and this is what I got from this whole episode, that other people are going to do this for her. She wants other people to step in and make sure that this happens.

Because now, much like the rest of the cast, she has now locked in on the fact that they can get separated to try to figure things out. And it's not going to end well, obviously. But now she realized that the other people are talking about it. It's like, oh, cool. I don't have to have this discussion with Kyle. other people will do it for me. And if I have enough discussions about it with other people,

we can have this in a big group setting. And I don't have to worry about it because Kyle's going to lose his fucking top because it's not with just the two of us discussing it because it's with everybody else. Yep. Exactly. Now, while we're at the beach day, of course, we're celebrating two years of freedom today. I love the Carl and Lindsay banter.

So don't let what I said earlier change any of that. Like they're in the best place ever right now, this awkward back and forth that they have. But West goes to a confessional. This is, this is evidence number one of him panicking. Because he's like, you know, Sierra, I, okay, with being cool.

Now everyone else is like, what the fuck's going on? Like, I don't want to speak for, but like, we're comfy just being friends. Like, let's just get to the fall as though now it's like some chore. Like, God, I hope I make it there. Now that this is getting serious again right out of the gate, who would have seen this coming? that's that's number one there's going to be more of those things as this episode goes on like did

you get let's just get to the fall is fucking ridiculous like it's labor day weekend the fall starts next week buddy you can't make it through one weekend of the two of you potentially dating like what are we doing i don't know but that's what that's what i got from it i don't know if everybody did if i'm reading too far into it but that's what it gave me yeah we got a quick chat with Ben and Jesse about Sabrina and we got a montage of them making out and her asking weird questions and you know, no spats because she's constantly reassuring him. That's what it seems like. Yeah. It seems do you guys talk about other stuff or is it just like how much do you love me? I think it's probably that to be very honest. But look, it's each their own. It seems like they're

happy. So what the fuck am I going to say about it? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Jesse, He likes her. He likes her. I do get the vibe and we talked about it last week when Jesse's talking to Amanda. Sabrina texted me and invited me out, but it definitely seems like a couple's type of date. And by the way, Sabrina and I, we text now. She's got my number. She got my number from somebody else and texted me for sure.

I didn't give my consent to that one. I don't know. Look, she's not my cup of tea, but whatever works. Now this scene, this again, When we go to modern times, things currently happening, it's really hard to justify not giving those two shit because there's so much more to this. She's sitting there talking to Mia, her being Amanda. How is your weekend alone?

Fabulous best weekend of my life. We get it. You hate your husband. The fact that she's the one inquiring so hard about this is weird as shit. You don't normally care what people are doing ever. So why now all the sudden, well, how soft bar you guys end up going out for drinks?

She's digging for info on West. But then hides it by saying, the last thing I would ever want to do is invite Sierra out with West on an intimate date. It would make me the happiest person in the world. But he needs to be ready. He needs to be ready. And she goes on to pretty much say,

if West were to fuck Sierra over, she would end his life. She would ruin this guy. I would cut him out immediately if Sierra just told me to. So that's where I have so many issues because she understands the gravity of the situation better than anybody because she has been Sierra's shoulder to cry on. She has been there to give her advice, talk through things. She is well aware of how big of a deal this is. So for then to go on and try to say, oh, well, love conquers all, like we didn't have a choice in the matter.

We just fell in love. No, you be a grown up. you be an adult and you don't fuck your friend over. Like, it's not that hard. It's almost like she's trying to add more evidence to her downfall. Like every possible situation that you could have maybe made this a little bit better for yourself or maybe said like, well, you know, I've grown to love West as well. And it seems like we're in such a better place. And I obviously love Sierra.

So if it were to go that route again, it's just going to be even tougher on the rest of the house. Like you could say something like that that's somewhat. mutual for the two of them and it would not be nearly as tough but somehow you're taking such a strong stance to the other side it makes your life so much worse when we have this to play at the reunion

when we go right back to this and say hey remember earlier when you said well it just happened that we didn't really think about it everybody else because of the feelings were just so strong no you had a conversation with Mia back in September that said if this were to happen

and screw over Sierra I would kill West, but you're the one sleeping with West. So it's almost like what you said earlier. It's like, hey, I need to show Sierra what kind of guy that says, I'm going to have sex with them. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to fuck him. Let's, I'm not going to say boink, so we don't get another bad review. Yeah.

We'll just be gross now. But Kyle and Sierra are talking and he brings up couples therapy. And again, we've seen so many instances this summer where Kyle's like on the come up. He's feeling better. Things are moving in a positive direction only to watch in real time as all of his hopes and dreams come crashing down. And he says something interesting because he's like the sheer fact that we went like, yeah, we're in a better place just because of that. The question is, are we going to both put in the effort? And that got my brain, the old brain thing for a little bit.

I've been under the guise for a long time that, you know, Kyle says certain things on camera, but he goes back to being who he is, doesn't really pay Amanda any mind. I'm starting to think that when it comes to effort, he is willing to do things. I don't think that he's just cutting her out entirely. I think that he's tried to make effort, and we're seeing how it's been reciprocated. So I don't think, I think he's there clawing and fighting for this thing. as we know Amanda's checked out had none of this happened we'd be talking completely different about this but now the things are happened things are happened now the things have happened

we look at it through a different lens and that's my question has Kyle been trying I think we probably would have chalk this up to too little too late for sure um I think that we've seen with Amanda and Kyle over the years that Amanda was the one who was trying a lot and Kyle seemingly was not. He was just too invested in his business, to invest it in making sure that he was making money for everybody, didn't really want to leave the party scene. Like, obviously all the, all the tropes that we talked about with Kyle. All valid.

But I still, and I don't think that this is current event speaking, I still kind of felt bad for him because we know. And even still, like, I think I would still feel bad because you're watching Amanda have all these discussions about separation. You're watching Amanda say she had the best weekend ever without him. And it's like, ugh, that sucks. Like, obviously, I still want you guys to break up. but not like this.

I mean, this is a tough conversation to have. This is a tough thing to watch. And that's what we were talking about before the season. Like, are we going to enjoy the fact of knowing these two separated at the end of it? Are we going to enjoy watching these conversations along the way? Probably not. Because again, and we reiterate this almost every week, Kyle's not a bad guy. They just shouldn't have gotten married.

They shouldn't have been together. They should have broken up a long time ago. And he's miserable and she's miserable. So, you know, better off just staying apart. But even still, I would probably feel bad because you saw him get to the point where he's like, I do think that we need to go to couples counseling. I need we need to go to marriage counseling. And I think he was trying to get to that point or work up the courage or trying to articulate

it in a way that made sense to Amanda, so that she'd be on board. But we've seen Amanda be checked out for so long now that it does look like a guy who's like, I don't know what I'm doing. And I want to try to figure this out. And then on the other end, you just see Amanda like, I'm having the best time in my life without Kyle. And it's tough. And it's really tough.

And when Sierra brings up the separation possibility, his face goes white. And he's like, have you talked to Amanda about this? Yes, I have. The day of couples therapy, by the way. After couples therapy, she went and had that conversation immediately thereafter in which she's like, I would love to get separated. Say what. Just unbelievable too. Because Kyle and again, false hope.

First day of couples therapy. Finally got everything out on the table. We've heard two very different stories. Amanda saying, I finally got to say all these things to Kyle with somebody else in the room. And he didn't want to talk about it. Then you have Kyle who's like, yeah, this is. the first step on a long journey of figuring out our marriage and she's like no i'm fucking out dude i'm out of here seara's a real one for immediately saying yes i've talked to amanda about this

like yeah she is absolutely i've talked to amanda about this and he's like that's what his brain starts going like shit is she on board is she doing this is she want to do this and obviously kyle doesn't want to do that he wants to work on everything but i think if push came to shove they probably would have tried to figure something out the only problem is amanda's completely gone Yeah, and I think it again, we think Kyle's a good dude, not great in his marriage, but I think he's a good person. How he handled this conversation. Like Sierra is being very blunt in a way where she's obviously trying to help him. She cares about him.

I thought he took it really well because she's like, I don't want you guys to be miserable. We don't deserve that. And he's like, I know, like he's very receptive to the whole conversation as his whole life is like flashing before his eyes. you literally see him go pale white and you can watch his heart sink into his butthole yeah you can watch it especially if you go slow motion you can see it all happen yeah but uh god we're getting ready and the look that look around the corner of the door west is getting ready and Amanda peeps him uh made me feel icky it made me feel so very I don't know. That to me was one of my least favorite moments thus far. I don't know why.

Just the way that she looked at them. Like it was just there was a lot there. I think. Yeah. It's gross. Like we said before, at the very least Amanda has caught feelings for West when he stood up for Amanda and Kyle. I think it happened well before that. It's just the way the two of them were interacting. like she is in the throes of having a weird emotional affair of her own with west she's probably playing out scenarios in her head of getting out of this marriage with kyle maybe things go good with sierra in the terms of them being friends and she can pursue it in a couple of months like it's just every time you see that like the longing look or the weird behavior between the two of them i'm not even talking like we'll obviously talk about a little bit later but like the way that

that Amanda looks at him, the way that Amanda talks about him when she's not talking to him directly, it's, oh, God, dude, you're, you've made this whole romantic scenario, you're doing like a weird, uh, like love novel in your head about West. And it's all

about leaving Kyle for West and how romantic it would be. It's, oh God, dude, you're, you couldn't be more wrong. No. And at no point in those those thoughts or those plans for the future, at no point. Did Sierra even enter your mind?

Nope. Despite what I'm hearing on camera, despite you lobbying for left and right, I don't think you thought for one split second, I don't think you're like, we shouldn't do this. Genuinely. I don't think that conversation was even had. I think they're like, we'll figure it out. Like, we love each other. What are we supposed to do?

That's what I get. Yeah. Very yucky. And then like you see Amanda go into her room and Kyle's there. as far as we know, they're not fighting right now. He's like, hey, I'm going to put some music on. She doesn't even look at them. Not even, you're not even faking it to Kyle anymore.

Like, you longingly stared at West getting changed. Your husband tries to talk to you and you blow them off entirely. You're the only ones in the room. Yep. Okay, cool. Not good. Just checking. One thing that can lighten the mood a little bit is,

is I love Carl Bailey updates and Levi and Bailey. We get a Levi quick scene here. At least she's in this. You get a Carl update. Now, this sounds exactly, exactly what I expected. You know,

I'm not really getting his vibe. Yep, I figured. Uh-huh. You know, I've shown interest, but now it's just kind of like light flurry, a flirty text.

I mean, like little moments, then it goes back to just being friends. I'm like, yeah, no, this is definitely, he loves you.

You just don't know that. It's impossible to read, but he's in love with you. It might be very. KJ said on Watch Robbins Live that he does not see the two of them ever getting together in a relationship. I do think, I honestly, I feel like Carl's probably just not ready. And I think dating within the house is probably also probably. I think that's definitely all is fine.

I love the two of them, but I think the dating in the house thing is probably a bad move. I think Carl's probably not really ready to get into a relationship like that. I don't think it's going to happen, but it is a nice little, a fun fictional love story. I mean, watching the two of them. And I look, I also don't think that there will ever be any bad feelings. I mean, the way that Carl's been, the way the Carl continues to be, he's not the Carl of old, obviously. So he's not going to ruffle any feathers. Bailey seems to understand that and she still loves them.

I think it's just going to be a great friendship. And I think the two of them are going to be great friends for a long time. But I think that's it. Yeah. Maybe like in five years they'll get together or something. I don't know. If one of them is no longer on the show, it's a possibility. but if two of them are on Bravo and all together, no, not going to happen.

That's okay. It keeps the house dynamic is already in shambles. We can't afford another fallout. It's the only thing that matters right now. Yeah, honestly. So, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But we're in the kitchen and we get to witness firsthand flirting. And I could watch these two flirt for hours because it's so.

What's innocent? in a way like Lindsay and the chef no no Carl and Bailey because they were flirting up a storm they sure were no Carl and Bailey where she's like

it's like I don't even know how to explain it but she's like oh the dresser see through I don't the dress see through yeah yeah and like the thong did the thom come with the dress does that like a two for two for one kind of deal did you my ass look good

hell yeah god damn this makes this totally tracks because and when I say this to you're going to Totally understand. Tan lines. Oh, bingo. A sheer dress with underwear underneath is the closest to tan lines,

manufactured tan line that you're going to get. And Carl loves tan lines. He really does. So it makes sense to me. Okay, well done. Way to put that together. Let's get to Dindin. We got Freedom Dinner 2.0,

aka the Lost Supper. The only way we can have a good dinner is if we play a game. because it's going to go, well, nothing's going to go wrong. I want to play lost and found. So you go around the table, we talk about something that you've recently lost and something that you recently found.

For example, Carl lost me and found a bunch of thirsty girls in his DMs. I don't think about that guy ever. Bailey, again, like, I'm not saying that as a sticking point. I think it's so funny. And I love watching,

you know, Carl's laughing it off. It's become my favorite bit on the show. So I wanted to be like this forever. But Bailey, and I, this is true. Like, we've, we watched this happen. She came in with a ton of baggage, post relationship, terrible relationship, and she found joy again.

We literally watched her, like, come out of her shell and get comfortable again. Like, it's kind of cool, honestly. Like, she's got a long way. She's incredibly well around. I mean, we've seen her, not, I don't even want to say like change personalities, but it's more just like getting comfortable. I mean, she got very comfortable with the group within, a very short about a time.

She had a weird situation with Ben, which I think helped her, actually, because we already know what baggage she brought into the house. But then after the situation with Ben, she got the ick from him, which moved her off of flirting with Ben,

which opened her up to the rest of the house. Like, it's a crazy journey that she's been on, and she's been on a great journey. She's an absolute star. Yep, yep. She ingratiated herself very well into this group,

into the show, into Bravo as a whole. So big Bailey fan. Now we get, two, well, before we get there, we get to watch these two smooch, which clicked so well. And this is actually probably my favorite analogy ever. It's like when you go to put a phone charger in the wall, you just fucking nail it. I'm like, I know that.

Yeah. It's euphoric. It is. There's very few things when you like, shooop, you're like, wow. And he's a much better kisser than Ben, too, which, you know, gives Carl a little bit more confidence. Maybe he'll use that moving forward. Bailey confirmed it. That's fine by me.

What do you mean, use that? Tell people, I'm better kissing the button. No, the confidence. You know what I'm talking about. Okay. I was just asking. Now, West, West lost his voice last summer. In this summer, he found the ability to speak up.

As long as you're talking shit to the woman that I am having sex with that is married to my friend, I will stand up and I will stand up and I will. speak my truth. It has to be that very specific scenario, but if that happens, you're going to hear it from me, pal. You're not going to disrespect my mistress. I don't even if you call her.

Like, what's the label? No idea. Yeah, I got nothing for you. I was just going to go through the layers of how wrong that even is to begin with because you couldn't talk to Sierra the whole time. You just did weird passes at her when you were really drunk.

Jesse suggested that maybe he made out with Sierra. You couldn't talk to anybody about it. You made everybody else fight your battle for you. I'm sure there's more here. Pretty much the only thing that you did the whole time was speak up to Amanda's husband when he was being mean to her. That's what I should have said. I will defend you to your husband because I'm having sex with you.

But he ends it with I found a friendship and relationship. Interesting choice of words, intentional choice of words. You said that for a reason. that was certainly lost for a long time, which zillion pounds off my shoulders, and it means the world it's really, really, it's really important to me, guys. This is really so super duper important to me

that Sierra doesn't hate me anymore because I don't like when people are mad at me, but now that she's not mad at me, I realize I've gone too far, and this is speeding up way faster than I intended it to, and I'm currently having sex with her best friend and the wife of my other friend. So, wow, what do I do now?

I'm in a pickle. Bit of a pickle here. Unbelievable. It's like every time, like we know that you want to escape. We know that your best option here is to just be friends with Sierra, but you can't force yourself to have that tough conversation. So you're diluting yourself into thinking,

well, I guess I'll just give romance another shot. And if that goes poorly, then nobody's going to blame me or hate me again, I guess. Every time, you have so many opportunities to just not do that. And you lean further and further into it.

It's crazy to me. We all know at home, you don't want. to be in a relationship with Sierra. Even if none of this were to happen, yes, there would be a lot of people. There would be one person on this show. They would be like, come on, guys. Get together.

Come on. You know, you want it. I think there would still be a huge contingency of people looking out like, yeah, no, dude, you don't want to be in this relationship. You're going to do the same thing over again. Stop acting like this and stop leading Sierra on because every time you speak about her, you're leading her on. It's just brutal.

It really is. It's really hard to watch. But KJ, now for the second time, he goes and he starts to talk about how he lost his brother when he was really young. It's always kind of been rough without him. He was like 17 years old, about to turn 18, so he's never had an older brother, just mentors. And he's had a hard time opening up to men in general. He hasn't really had that like, you know, the boys in his life.

He has it now. And he loves that. Like, this is transformative for his life. And as we know, like, He's an emotional dude. He wears his hard in his sleeve. This is, this is legit what he's saying right now. And I again, I know I said it 30 times, but that's a factor.

This is a factor. And like that's what shows you the carelessness of this whole thing is the cannon fodder of every other person affected by dumb and dumber's actions. Yeah. Every time the KJ speaks up about this. And we know, you know, episode one he came in saying he's a sensitive guy. He's not really, he gets a lot of anxiety. doesn't know what to do in big groups.

He has also, much like we talked about Bailey, had a very transformative summer where he's gotten so close to these people. And if you want any evidence to that, look around the table. I mean, he's talking with an open heart about all of the struggles that he went through when he was growing up and how it kind of pushed him away from having,

you know, male friends essentially. And it's a really hard thing for him to speak about. Everybody's crying. Everybody feels like, holy shit, like he's really opening up to us, which is something that KJ is always good for.

And everyone feels the same. way and they're so happy to have KJ in their life. And nothing could ever ruin that, right, guys? Come on. Great. Right? Except the guy that brought you on the show. Now, we have to talk about it.

I don't like talking about it because it makes me sad. Sierra goes, I had a huge weight lifted off my shoulders because having to hate the person I genuinely love the most was hard. And I found the bars and the clubs. She, I don't think we've seen Sierra this light and bubbly and energetic in years. Like I'd be hard pressed to remember the last time that she was this vulnerable open, zero walls, zero balls. She's wide fucking open. And this, take a fucking screenshot of his face when she goes over and hugs him and kisses him on the cheek.

his eyes are fucking panicking dude he's bugging completely and she plants one on his cheek and leaves lipstick and this is where my heart broke a little bit and it also is a reminder like this is moving too fast leave it yeah yeah that's a tough one

that's a tough one to get over then we obviously get to Kyle the DJ thing is played out I don't like that we lead off with oh Kyle lost his wedding ring but he found his DJ career. It's like, okay, are we going to beat this dead horse every time we do anything? Like at a certain point, like, leave it alone. Because here's the other side of it. I might get shit for this, but whatever. In this scenario, okay, he's $2 million in the hole on

Loverboy. Yes, we gave him shit about the DJ thing. The DJ thing's lucrative. He's making money. He's supporting him and Amanda via the DJ thing. He sees a way out of it. He sees a way out of of the hole with lover boy. So he's going all in on that. He's trying to do it. We've learned now. He's not going to compromise and not do it. And that is an issue in of itself.

Like that could have led to the downfall of their marriage. And I would have understood. I would have probably been on Amanda's side. But in this scenario, he's at the very least. He's trying to do it the right way. I'm glad Ben spoke up and was like, well, you know, with the manager, he's going to get better gigs, more selective this and that. He's like, look, I'm looking at this more of a career, not just like a hobby, blah, blah,

blah, he's trying to take the right steps to make this thing legit. Could that have still led to those two falling apart? Probably. And I still would have been on Amanda's side because the marriage didn't come first. But when we're looking at the whole thing and Amanda's making faces the entire time, he's trying to find a way through this and navigate it. Meanwhile, the last person in the world that should be speaking on partnerships and relationships in Lindsay Hubbard is lecturing him.

about lack of partnership between him and Amanda. Yeah. I fully agree with you, actually. I don't care if we get shit for it, to be honest. I think the DJ thing is completely played out. I think he laid out so many different things. Agree with him or not. His business is failing.

He's trying to find a different gateway. And this is what he found. And I think Ben's comment in the middle of all of this is very pertinent. Him getting a manager and getting something set up where it's definite that he's going to have shows in a certain place, whether it's Vegas, somewhere else, he gets to pick and choose where he's going. That's a better move. He's gotten to a point where it's not just a hobby. It's not just a thing. And that's what Kyle says. Like, I'm leaning into this more of a career than a hobby because

it's lucrative because it's actually something I'm looking at and saying, holy shit, I'm making money from this. This is something that I can do for a few years and dig myself out of the hole. And the other part of this is, and now we can throw Amanda under the bus. We've had a discussion before. They've probably had discussions about this, the two of them. Amanda and Kyle have absolutely sat down and Kyle has told her and Amanda says as much in a second, oh yeah, so he can go to Vegas and he's got a manager so he can do all those things. They've talked about it. So it's not just what we thought all along where Kyle was just going off. And again, like you said, he's going to go do these things regardless because he is very,

very close-minded. He sees this as an opportunity to make money. That's all he's focused on. He doesn't care about anything else. He needs to get. get to a good place financially, so then him and Amanda can go off and do their things. But this is something that he's now leaning into heavily, and he's probably going to start taking a little bit of a backseat to the lover boy stuff so he can focus on this. And it's going to free up a little bit more time for him. Like at the end of the road, this is probably the only move that he can do, and it's something right in front of his face.

He's like, I might as well lean into this and make some money. I have no problem with this. I have no problem with this. I do have a problem with Lindsay. And look, Lindsay's going to shit stir. Lindsay's going to get involved and she was doing her job so I understand that for the show. And when we saw it earlier in the episode and Lindsay comes in saying like she's going to be mama bear and she wants to protect him. This is not that. This is actually opening him up to a

fucking firing squad for everybody to jump on him. This is not what we should be doing. Again, for the show, yes, you're forcing uncomfortable conversations. You're forcing everybody to get involved. But the DJ thing should be put to rest. Like enough. It's not a good joke anymore. It's not funny. He's having a lot of fucking. talking problems. There's a lot of things going on. So making fun of him going out and making money for his family is probably not the best course of action. No, and the worst part about this whole thing is Amanda's sitting across the table smirking the whole time because everyone's doing her dirty work once again. She doesn't have to even say anything. And it gets to the matter of kids. And he's like,

she's not ready to have kids. And then we get the line from last year at the reunion. I'm ready to have kids with somebody that's ready to have kids with me or whatever. We don't know the ins and outs of all of that. We don't know if she, you know, she talked about, she was focused on her mental health, so she wasn't thinking about kids. Like, we've had different answers to that question. I don't think it's fair to put it out there. And I think, again, you could only poke somebody so much about the same fucking thing. The DJ joke has been made every single episode.

You have seen how he's reacted to the DJ joke in the past. It's led to blowups. Of course, this is going to have. So I don't really fault them for losing it. The fuck you. When did that happen exactly? And that's really important. And I wasn't sure.

And I went to go rewatch it, but then we had to record. So the whole thing was, and there's tons and tons of pictures out there, the whole time that Kyle was defending himself. When everybody's talking and it's all the same shit that we already talked about, he looks over at Amanda. Amanda's making faces the whole time, which is what it ties into what I was saying earlier. she's now in a position where she knows other people are going to talk about the separation. Other people are going to talk about what Kyle's doing. She's over there essentially egging him on. Like she's making goofy faces at him and making all of these reaction faces at him while he's pretty much defending his life, pretty much battling for his life because he knows how this goes.

And look, again, we're going to look at this in a little bit of a different light. If we were not to do that, it's tired, everybody jumping on him because he's defending his DJing. Like, yeah, it's a little funny to make the joke, whatever. But it does get tired. Even for the viewer at this point, we'd be like, all right, come on. Like, just fucking have have a conversation. Like, we should see a scene where Kyle and Amanda are talking about him going to the next level and talking about him going DJing and getting a manager or whatever and see how that plays out one on one.

In front of the whole group, we've done this a million times. We don't need to do this. And everybody's jumping on him. And we know that this is his trigger. But Amanda was in the background making faces out of him pretty much the whole time. Like all reaction faces, all like egging him on, gaslighting him to keep going. It's just, it's not pretty. So he got up and then walked away from the table and he said, fuck all of you and looked at

her and said, fuck you. But he kind of mouthed it in a weird way, but he did say. And that is when fucking night and shining armor at the end of the table. Now, West stands up. I was like, what the fuck are you going to do? What a weird reaction, by the way. Very weird move. And then you move your chair next to Amanda.

as though you're her keeper, you're her protector. Don't worry Big Bad West is here to hold your hand while your husband's yelling. The reaction that Carl had, that's the correct reaction. He jumped up with the appropriate time. He had the appropriate reaction verbally.

And he was addressing Kyle. You went over there in a very strange way, quietly sitting down next to her in solitude or something. And it was almost, not an admission, but it was like, okay, if I'm sitting at this table and I watch that happen, I have questions. What the fucks? What was that? Even if this is currently going on, then you start to dig into the summer.

It's like, well, West has really been on her team a lot. And like, yeah, he just found his voice, but his voice only works for Amanda. Yeah. I just, it didn't make any fucking sense. And he's like, this is the one thing that I've spoken up about this whole summer. So you guys know, it's like he's laying it out there. Like, I've done this before. This isn't weird that I'm doing it again, guys.

This isn't weird. And then he goes over, like brings his seat over, sits next to Amanda, looks at Kyle and says, look at her, not look at Amanda. Look at her. Don't look at Amanda. Don't say anything to her. Talk to Lindsay because Lindsay's the one talking to you. It's like, no, dude.

What the fuck? What is this? This is crazy. And again, not. not really condoning Kyle's behavior, but we can go back. Kyle kind of has an idea of what's going on. So he says,

fuck you to West and tells him to shut up. And we know why. Because he's been laying the fucking seeds out there though in the entire summer, I've got something that I can't talk about. I know what's going on. She's flirting with West. She's having fun.

And every time it's with West and the boys. It's always West. West is at the forefront. Even if something's not going on between West and Amanda, Kyle's convinced that there is something going on with West and Amanda, that he can't really talk about or he doesn't want to bring up and sound crazy. So when this happens, this is trigger number two. So I'm not surprised that he completely blew out.

Yeah. And he, you know, ends with the line of I'm so sick and tired of normalizing how much shit I deal with. And I think there's some validity there. Like I think that for all of his flaws and for a lot of the shit that he's fucked up over the years, he does become the butt of the joke a lot. And most of the time he wears it pretty well. But I would imagine at a certain point.

it's going to boil over. Do I condone saying fuck you to a lady? No, I don't. But at the same time, you're going to poke the guy only so much before he flips his lid. And that's what happened. Now, again,

when he goes full throttle and Carl hops up, I was like, normal. Now Carl's defending, not just Amanda, he's in the mix of everybody at the table. Whoa, dude, fucking relax. not I'm going to go score brownie points with the wife of my friend I'm hooking up with

if I go sitting down next to her to make her that's all it was that was him bolstering his own ego and their relationships that she'd be like oh my God he's so hot he defends me he defends me to my evil husband I love him so much no bro fuck no yeah no absolutely even in that moment when he said fuck you sit at your end of the table and go, whoa, what the fuck? A normal, like, don't, that was bizarre. It made me, yeah, it was a, in a room full of 15 other fucking people. You don't have to be the one to get up and go, like, night and shining armor on the whole thing.

Like, that's fucking, it's pathetic. It's embarrassing. And again, going to Carl, like, Carl and Kyle had their issues. Things are going to boil over in whatever way they are. This seems like an opportunity where, yeah, Kyle's losing his fucking lid. He's going outside. he's looking back. He's anybody follows him.

If fucking, if Bailey, if Levi followed him and was like, come on, man, like that's not the move to do, he would turn around and say, fuck you,

Levi. Like, I guarantee it. So this is not Kyle looking at Carl. What's that? You do the drink at Carl. Did he throw it at him or did he throw it back at the door in front of him? I don't know.

All I know is if this is you and me and you do that and you throw it at me, I'm spearing you in the sternum. Yeah. Yeah. So things are boiling over. we get a big old to be continued, which I don't know what's going to happen with this, but we've been teasing it the entire summer. So let's find out what happens next week, I guess, unless some dickhead releases the first

seven minutes of next week's episode again. I hate it. They will. But yeah, Carl, Carl steps up, chases after him. Even Dev was like, that was kind of hot. You know, the quiet guy, the one that doesn't, like, want to be the alpha male. Yep. That's some, that's some hot shit right there.

I agree. It got me hot and mother. Okay, let's, I'm sure we have a bazillion of these. So let's get to some questions. Yeah, that face, dude. Great picture. Mm-hmm. Oh, somebody screenshoted the Google definition of psychopath.

And said it should literally just say Amanda next to it. Yeah, KTM Harris did that. that that's pretty funny i like that uh from b man grandma 727 who had a bigger blow up kyle or craig kyle definitely kyle yeah kyle because craig's just like that's crazy he's he's crazy so he blows up like that um amanda rocky's mom do you think kyle's meltdown was due to the info that sierra gave him at the beach i'm surprised that lindsay didn't go directly into that I thought she was going to do that. Instead, she focused more on the, you guys need to communicate,

and I feel like you're doing things away from Amanda and not asking her. I really did think that's what it was. But yeah, that was absolutely pressing on his mind. Yep. Kay Looker Woods, did Lindsay overstep, or is it sort of her place since they've been all filming so long? Yes, she overstepped mainly because of the mama bear line. I acknowledge that she's doing her job, which she always does, a fault sometimes, but was it the best move, like best look? No. Do I see what she's doing? Yeah.

So like, you know, it is part of the show. Yeah. Ah, here you go from Steph Rossler, R.D. So Lindsay doesn't ever think about Carl, right? Hey, oh. Never. Never, ever. Uh, from Sarah D. Is it bad that for once I don't think Kyle is in the wrong for this crash out the way Amanda was acting. Yeah. I mean, again, he is wrong for the, uh, the, things that he said and did. But in terms of, you know, looking at somebody who's warranted to just lose their mind on people, I think this is okay.

Mm-hmm. From Sarah Neves, was Amanda's beach convo with Mia, her overcompensating because she already had betrayed Sierra. Yeah, probably. Bingo. Yeah, Nicole Marie won.

Is Kyle justified and his anger with Amanda, not saying fuck you, yeah, the fuck you is too far, as we said. Yep. But the blowup overall. Oh, wait.

Lauren N. Wait, did you catch this? Yes. Did you get you? I know what this is about. Yep. I think it was about the separation. Honestly, I don't think it was about West.

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's how I read it. Now, I could be wrong, but that's how I felt. Yeah, Leah Hall 90, more proof of an emotional affair. Big facts. Janice Ingram, I actually saw this today, so I'm right for once. How many Epps before the reunion?

I'm thinking too. This week started on a Thursday. The finale is the 19th. So there's two more episodes, and then we get into the reunion. The finale will then cross right into in the city, as we imagined before the season started.

From Boladamo, edit thoughts, question mark. Reeks of blame just the woman, Amanda Villan edit, and West led off easy again. I don't think it's like Let me put it in the way that I'm taking it. You don't really need to edit West in a weird way for us to just dislike him because we already know what he did. I think when it comes to the Kyle and Amanda situation, you do need to show more of Amanda.

You do need to show more of what she's doing. And that's kind of what they're editing into. They don't really have to worry because everybody's already kind of got their feelings about West. Exactly. Like we are all rethinking Amanda's entire tenure on the show. show now we're going back to the early days when lindsay had a bone to pick with her all the time or when daniel said the least trustworthy person is amanda like now we're all going back and and rewiring how we think about it so i think you're right i think you have to give more of

that like west is a piece of shit we are well aware but the nuances of amanda are a little bit a little bit harder to read so i no i don't think that we're getting a blame the woman um no Okay From Jamie Gibbs Did Amanda purposely bring up the Vegas thing Just to rile Kyle up? Yes, absolutely Yeah, 100%.

From M. Lowe, 1969, can we now stop putting all the blame on Kyle for the state of the marriage? Yeah, absolutely. We sure are. That was that one. Yeah, Bella, GR, 1985. Amanda set up Kyle to look bad, right?

The look of pleasure on her face says it all. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. This is Rachel Rose. Did Lindsay go too far? Or am I asking that because we look at Amanda differently now? I think Lindsay went a little too far.

Again, we talked about it. It just seemed weird and repetitive. Like, we don't really need to do that. We're not really talking about Kyle and Amanda right now. So let's leave that behind. Yep. Zero. What did you think about KJ and watch what happens live?

I think he was well warranted to do what he did. I think again, his trust was betrayed. He doesn't owe West a fucking thing. If he wants to read that message out loud, then read that fucking message out loud. Like that's his prerogic. West sent it. You know,

like they're not talking. And he fucked him over. The whole house over. So yeah. Absolutely. Let's see if we got one more good one in here. A lot of it's just kind of the same. Oh,

well, I know this one from Casey Danzig. Never thought we'd be giving flowers to Jesse and Kyle well disgusted at Amanda. Yeah. What a, what a strange turn this is all taken,

huh? Never would have expected to be where we're at currently. This is, it's in some ways, like more earth-shattering than Scand-a-ball, just because, like,

Tom Sand-Ball's always been a fucking idiot. So that one was like, it's unbelievable what happened, but at the same time, like, Sandoval's a dirt bag. This is coming from somebody in Amanda, who we've all,

championed over the past 10 years and it's coming from a guy like West who ingratiated himself back into the group as one of the fan favorites so yeah dude never would have expected this uh the reunion is going to be insane like i don't it's going to be yeah it's going to be absolutely insane like this is something that will i don't even know if hype is the right word but this something that'll live up to the hype for sure yeah yep But as per usual, if we get new information about current events or things going on, we will do our little bonus episode to fill you guys in. Nothing to report on this week. But we do have our ears to the ground.

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