Bros & Shows - Kyle Moves On From Mauricio (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

What's up Bros? We're still waiting for RHOBH to pick up. Its not terrible, its not great, it just sorta... is. In this episode, Boz is planning a group trip to St. Lucia. Erika is annoyed that Sutton is upset about the drinking comments, but wonders where her sympathy is from when people questioned her med use etc. during the Tom Girardi debacle. Boz and Kyle make strides as Kyle opens up to her about what she's going through. Dorit and PK reconvene for a conversation and they appear to be pretty much in the same spot. Kyle and Mau discuss the Mykonos kiss and this conversation feels like some form of closure. Perhaps Kyle can finally move on. The ladies land in St. Lucia and Sutton, Garcelle and Tilly have a conversation about the cliquey-ness of the group. It's been a few ho hum weeks and it looks like things will pop off in St. Lucia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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like we're waiting for something to happen now something something's going to happen soon i don't know dude i feel like we've watched the same episode of this show for like six straight weeks right nothing has changed it starts off the same way you get the same dynamics you get the same sit downs with the same people and then at the end you get a little bit of a fight but something's going to happen soon yeah let's see Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only scoot, scoot in my boot.

What's up, dude? Oh, that sounds dirty. Yeah, I wasn't supposed to be. Nope, but now it is. Not a lot. Going into this Beverly Hills episode, we started off the exact same way as we always have. Yep. And I, figuratively speaking, I guess mentally I threw my hands up in the air.

Like, here we go again. This is going to be the same thing. It was better. It was a little bit better. But I still stick to what I said in our opening. It feels like we've watched the same episode every single time. You get a Bose-Darete sit down of some kind, a Sutton Garcell sit down of some kind. Kyle and Mauricio provide some sort of update on what's going on in their lives.

Erica Jane's house. Eric, how could we miss that? Eric James Living Room. Erica Jane's Cabana. Erica Jane's this. Wallpaper. Wallpaper, wallpaper, wallpaper, straight lines. That's what we're talking about.

This is a good time to announce Shooter's new hit single wallpaper wallpaper Straight lines Yeah By MC Gates That would fucking hit Wallpaper wallpaper

You put a good beat over that That would hit all day I would probably get sued by Erica or her designer But whatever That's fine I'll take it You know

If you get sued for wallpaper wallpaper Wallpaper straight lines That would be a crazy lawsuit We're still waiting To catch a first case This is the problem Is like

I feel like for a lot of shows Going on A lot of the Housewife shows A lot of the other Bravo shows that we cover we you know we dilly dell a little bit and then we just pop into it we're like we've got too much to cover there's a lot to get over we need to make sure that we go over all the details and give our opinions for this show it's like we just we're going to spend five minutes talking about erika's house and making jokes yeah and we're not losing any time no but it's a good time to

discuss the silver linings i thought that was going to be like an ad marker it's a good time to discuss our friends over our friends over at no uh it's a good time to discuss it's a good time to to discuss silver linings. Here's the, here's the bummer of the season is that I agree with you. This was better than last week. Last week wasn't bad. This week wasn't bad. It just is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's a good way to put it up. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, sure. It becomes negative if there's too much of it is. Eventually, yeah, I'm not, we're at like this was that point. Uh-huh. If next week doesn't pick up, which it looks like it will because Sutton pops off on the boat. But the silver linings of this season, why it's a bummer that it's happening now is

we're getting more from Kyle than we have in years. Right. Years. And she's finally addressing the most stuff. It appears to be authentic. She's actually digging deep and letting us in a little bit. So I don't want to take away from what she's doing. I don't want to take away from Bose.

I still think that she is an all-star. I'm glad that she's on this show. I don't want to take away, honestly, from a lot of the cast because they're not doing a poor job. Right. It's just there's not a lot of context to, like, dig their teeth into. But overall, it's not like I'm watching anybody in particular, not even Doreet, like rolling my eyes and like, Jesus Christ, move on. It's just everyone's kind of stagnant. Yeah.

I think that from a structure standpoint, what we're not getting is we're not getting, you know, four or five of the women at the time with like one or two being away. It's the same clicks. It's the same clicks over and over. And we know how Housewife shows go. When you start to click up, really all we get to look forward to is big events and trips. Yes. And then things will pop up. off because you guys are forced to be together like st lucia like st lucia which is you know

apparently sudden's going to be popping off on the boat next week and hopefully that does something for us but when you do this it takes away from all of the substance of the show that's all of the interactions all the things that we can discuss all of the dynamics that go into these shows it furthers things it furthers narratives further storylines relationships all of those things and we're not getting any of that because it's the same type of sit down every single time and yeah you've got somebody like Erica Jane that can go to Kyle's house, they can go talk to Garcel, they can go talk to Sutton and she can be pleasant and she can mingle with everybody else. But she's got her own thing going on. She's got interior design. She's got to decorate her fucking house, man. It's, it takes a

lot. And Martin Lawrence is over there a lot. So it's a lot to put on her plate. I don't know. I mean, I'm not, it's just such a strange spot to be in with a housewife show because I'm not like fuck this show. But it also, it does suck that Kyle is giving so much more this year and there's just nothing else going on. There's nothing to play. And I don't. And I don't want to sound grumpy. I know that, like, I always get called out because it's like, oh, shooter's grumpy today. This isn't grumpy shoots. I'm not really grumpy. I'm just disappointed in Beverly Hills because, like Steele said, it's not bad. It just is. It's just there. It's not something that I look forward to watching, but I'm still going to watch it. Yes. Because it's

any other show, I'd be like, yeah. Yeah, but I'm also not watching it like mad. I'm like, oh, I'm just like, okay. Like, sure. All right, we're seeing some things. I'm like, that's nice. Better than them doing like the inorganic fights where they set things up for themselves which is such a that's a great point that we can build on real quick that's the perfect way to depict what we hate about bravo shows when they start to take that approach like oh shit it's getting stale yeah let's throw some fabricated bullshit and i'm glad they're not doing honestly i'm glad that they're just letting it which is fine and like yeah i want to see them live at times but we need the drama sprinkled in or else we're just watching people live their lives

essentially like we're watching a twitch stream of of people living in beverly hill Things are going in motion. Like you see Garcell saying things about Sutton and Kyle that typically she wouldn't have said in the last couple of seasons. She's pushing a little bit. Things are moving so slowly that we have to look at that and say, oh, all right, we can see where this is going to go. Maybe. Maybe. We know deep down it's not going to go anywhere fast enough.

It's going to be a very slow migration towards that. Maybe. Or she's just going to pull back entirely. So there's just not enough. And from our standpoint, obviously, we recap it. It gets tough to talk about when we. we get the same episode over and over again. Yeah, I think that you put it the best when you said that, because it is.

This has been a repeat formula, not six weeks, but at least three weeks. Yeah. It's been the same exact episode. Pretty much since Kyle and Doree, quote unquote, made up. Since Augusta, it has been this format. Right. People reconcilating. Reconciling. Yep. Reconciling. Yep. Sure. Reconciling, which.

Let's just say that you're not right. You know, who made up that? Reconcilating. Who made up that? I mean, words are just a construct of the human mind. All words are made up. Exactly. Therefore, no word is not real. Yeah.

That's what I say, name your kids, whatever the fuck you want. Who cares? Yeah, like, uh, names are made up too. What did, what did the, uh, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Oh, don't do that. I'm not going to do that. Most names can get made up.

There is a point where we stop. X3. Yeah. It's robots. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not doing that. But yeah, look, everyone wants Beverly Hills to be good, right? It happens every year, but it's starting to get to a point with me where, again, this season's whatever.

It's not bad. It's not great. It's not great. It's not what it is what it is. I think it'll be a short, like, we'll probably only get about like three or four more episodes, I assume. Yeah, we're not. We're probably, we're reaching the end. We'll get maybe two episodes in St. Lucia, then one back home and then we're done.

No, because we're on like 11 or 12, so there's probably five more. I haven't seen the looks from the reunion yet either. I would say we're at like five. to go and then the reunion for three. But here's the thing, because we've been doing this for a few years with Beverly Hills, because we started with Beverly Hills. This is our third recap of Beverly Hills. We're getting to a point now where we've been stalling.

Everyone watching has been stalling. Everyone's making excuses of, you know, it's Beverly Hills. They'll figure it out. Or they're pressing them harder where it's like, you guys got to figure it out there. This is a pivotal point, I think, for this show to make a rebound because they've yet to do it. Each season... Otherwise, they'll have to recast in some way. That's what I'm saying.

Each season's been kind of ho-hom. We haven't had a Beverly Hills season that has hit like a Roslick or Potomac even this season was like leaps and bounds ahead of what we're seeing from this, like Miami. I mean, you can keep going because we've gotten a lot of solid housewife shows over the past year. O.C. was great. So they're now starting to kind of drop on the rankings, which we never would have thought for Beverly Hills. that's supposed to be the peak. But Beverly Hills and Jersey,

and maybe that's, it just is what it is at a certain point with these shows, with these cast, you get to a certain point where it's just like, that's all they can do. We now have to rethink

the whole structure of the show. Look at Atlanta. The season premiere was great. Right. And it's a completely new cast for the most part. And they just kind of revamped it and it worked.

Maybe they need to have term limits. The term limit on housewife? You have to run for Housewave office after five years of being on the show. That would actually be funny to watch campaigns to be a housewife. That would be incredible. Campaign trails for like.

You could make a show off of that. Dorinda campaigning. Instead of your stupid ass like housewives abroad show, which I'm not going to call. Housewives in London? Nope. Not that one. Uh, oh, Dubai. Nope.

Uh, ultimate girls trip. Uh, yeah. Except for that stupid ass show. Instead of that, do a campaign show. We want to have all of the women on different shows that are coming to their term limit that are going abroad and they need to go around. the country to get votes. I don't know what the votes consist of.

I don't know how it all works. I will piece it together. If you give me some time and a lot of money, Bravo, I will do it for you. But that sounds so much more fun than all the other shit they're throwing out of us. What if the fans elect five former housewives that travel? What? Too many? I'm not doing this.

I'm not. No, no, I'm not. Oh, okay. Don't do it. Don't do it. Just stay with me here and don't. They're a way to verify If these fans are alive or dead

Yeah, you learn how to read the fucking info That comes from the website Instead of assuming what you think it means Because you don't know what it means That'd be the better way to do it Oh, don't Don't. I didn't do it I said don't do it to me

You don't get the turntables Learn how to read shit, man Read, man Get people that know what the fuck they're doing Anyway, readings, cool Before I go on that tirade, you get five housewives picked by the fans. They have to travel to each city that has a housewife's franchise. Okay.

And they have to lobby for a spot on the show. And every week, it's a five-week show. Yep. Every week you have to campaign. And then at the end of the campaign trail for that city, the fans take a vote and you vote out one housewife. And then go to the next one. You vote out another one. Now there's three, two.

So only one person on. Only one. So if your term is coming up. Yeah. No, I do think that you can, we're getting really. Are we doing this instead of Beverly Hills? Because it seems like we might be. At some point, you can resign the contract.

If somebody is that influential, if somebody's that great, we can all agree. All right. Kyle's term is coming up. She has been showing out on this contract year. I think she's got a lot more to prove. Re-election. She goes right away. No, no, no.

She immediately gets signed to a new term. Oh, okay. two years then. You know, it's a show me deal. I like that. Oh, it's one with an option. We're looking, yes, exactly. We're looking at the housewives that are underperforming, but we still think they might have it. They go on the campaign trail. And if they lose, they lose. There's nothing you can really do either. You have to blame yourself. They're off. Yeah. And there's non-negotiable. Yep. And they can re-campaign the following year. But yeah, I like that. I like this idea. What do you call it? Shit, you can move cities too. Let's start trading. I would, I still think

I still think trading housewives would be so good. Would be so fucking fun. I am sorry. And look, I know on Beverly Hills, especially with like Erica, we keep asking, and we just watched this in Atlanta yesterday, where's the wealth? Where to go? These rich women should be able to afford. Mia has it.

Yes, she has all of it. These rich women should be able to go to a different city and buy a new beautiful house or rent like Meredith does. And then you can live there. And it wouldn't, wouldn't it be so fucking bizarre to watch somebody like Lisa Barlow in Atlanta. Oh my God, yeah. I would fucking love that. That would be incredible. Why not?

We'll just tell her it's a mission trip. Take fucking, take like Gertie and stick her up in Roney for a season. Like, that would be fun. That would be great. I'm down for all of these things. But let's get to the actual episode itself. I think we've wasted enough of your time at home. And we start out as per yuzh with, we're at Erica Chains. Just a beautiful living room. Yep. It's a gorgeous.

Look at the way the sun comes in those windows. Oh, my Lord. unequivocally yes it looks great martin lawrence did a wonderful job no one's refuting it it looks fantastic we're glad that you found your your spark again a poolhouse right it is but i don't care that it's a pool house i do i want wealth she's coming back look i'll get richer i'll give her a pass from that because she's going through a massive lawsuits and a divorce from a crook i will give her a pass as far as the wealth goes. The fact that she can even afford Martin Lawrence to come in there what she's been through. Props to her. Are we allowed to talk about her lawsuits anymore? I don't even know what lawsuits are still running on those. Yeah, she's still pissed off

about them. But like I said, Dorete, Erica Jane, and Bose are all talking about the St. Lucia sisterhood trip. Bowes is now on board for the sisterate thing. And it's just so funny. No matter what newcomer comes on to a housewife show, they always have this idea in their head. that this trip is going to be about fun. This trip is going to be a good time. It's like, this trip's going to be a disaster, Bose. It's on the newbies rubric. I got a little bit of faith in Bose.

And this is what I want from Bose. And I think I said it a couple of weeks ago as well. I want her to be open to everybody. I agree. And not just kind of pigeonhole somebody like Sutton. And I'm not saying, like, I'm being a Sutton Stan or anything like that. Because honestly, in the last year, it's just Sutton's kind of whatever. I don't think she can carry a show.

She is what she is. She's fun. It's sometimes. She's really not fun in other times. But I want Bose as a newcomer. with so much power already and just really with her personality. I want her to be able to walk into this, have open arms,

and I thought that I got a glimmer of that here. When she said, I want to take what Sutton said about the sisterhood, which is somebody that you're not really fucking with right now, I want to take her idea and bring it to everybody, and then we'll go to San Lucia. We'll get together and everything's going to be great. I liked that idea.

I like that immediately takes a shot at the fashion show. And I'm like, all right. I think that was unintentional too. I think it was fully unintentional. I think she was like, I don't believe you anymore. Oh, shit. I don't believe you anymore.

Yeah, I came out of nowhere. But I do have to further that theory, her getting together with Kyle gives you hope that, okay, maybe she gets the same with Sutton. Like, I agree. I don't, and I think that with Bose, she doesn't strike me as walled off to giving people a chance. No, I don't think so. I was like, let's not forget, Sutton shot herself in the foot by going up and say, what did she even say to her? Don't, whatever me. Oh, God.

At the viper room. Yeah. I can't remember what the word was. No, it was, it wasn't attack. It was, shit. Don't weaponize. Don't weaponize me. Don't weaponize those things against me or something.

No, just don't weaponize me is what she said. So that's where it's like, all right, she's fighting an uphill battle of her own doing. Exactly. And that's just, that's kind of what happens with her. Really what she said? Yeah, she gets uncomfortable and just says things and gets herself in a hole. You activate something? I don't know.

I have, no, because it was all about weaponizing before, whatever. It's not important. The important thing is. Trigger words. She doesn't do her. any favors, but I do, I do feel like Bose will give people another shot to redeem themselves a little bit. So there's room for that. But you get at the same time of this scene, you get Garcell and Sutton talking. I got to mention the Kathy Confessional. I called it last week. We had a lot of

people resonate with what I said and her being like, oh my God, I didn't mean to walk in front of the, I'm just, I'm so wacky. It's like, you're not. It's calculated. You knew what you were doing when he stood in the middle of the runway. You're Kathy Hilton. You've been to a, million actual fashion shows for, I'm sure, like, Versace, Louis Vuitton, you can name all of them, and I'm sure you've been there at one point or another. I'm waiting for you to name all of them. I want to see if you keep going. I can.

I know a lot of brands. I know, but I wasn't sure where you were going to stop. If you were going to stop at two, three, four, I was going to have to cut you off. All right, dude, all right, relax. No, it's just like, that whole schick is played. I don't like it anymore, but Garcel recaps the Dorit dinner with Sutton. And to Sutton's credit, she's like, can we just put a pause on that? and like not talk about it she's like oh i forgot i asked her about her beef with you and she was like

you think i have beef with sutton and it's like yeah in this case by the way they both have beef with one another and arguably both are verified in having that beef with one another they're valid to have their concerns with each other because they just don't get along at all but hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure this fall get double points on every qualified stay. Life's the trip. Make the most of it at Best Western. Visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions. I'm here for Bet Rivers Online Casino and Sportsbook with Poker icon Phil Helmuth. Thanks to Bet Rivers, I'm also a slots icon. Great. And a same game parlay icon. Cool, cool. A blackjack icon, a money line icon. A roulette icon. If you love games,

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drinking thing. It took a turn I wasn't expecting. Yeah. Because Eric's like, well, hold on. I'm like, all right, what do you got to say? She's like, I thought she was going to defend son for a second. I did too. I think everybody did. And she's like, what about me? It's like, what about you? She's like, well, when I was going through, what I went through is the lawsuit,

the money, what the meds, the drinking. And I'm like, all right, it's not really the same thing. No, so she's accusing Sutton of being an alcoholic. People were saying that you were self-medicated. through the ordeal that you were going through. There was a specific time frame. And it was also an inquiry from Garcell saying, hey, have you figured out the drinking and the meds?

Because you're clearly, it wasn't a, you need to stop drinking. She had mentioned that her meds and drinking were fucking her up. Yeah. So Garcel was doing a check-in, like, have you gotten that under control? Well, are you not drinking anymore? And then called you out every time you drank. Then, okay, maybe it would be similar to Sutton,

but Sutton's not. This isn't the same thing. Yeah, no. It just simply is not. And then I love when the editors go to what Sutton was saying about it. I'm like, well, fucking, yeah, of course she was calling her out for the lawsuits. That was Erica's storyline. Yeah.

That's what she was going through. What are we supposed to do? Sit here and not talk to Kyle about Maricio? Yeah, it was. Is Kyle going to bring that up in a couple of years when somebody's talking about someone else? Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, have you guys thought about me with Mauricio? Nothing to do with this. No, it's completely irrelevant to the current conversation.

But I will agree with this, that Garcel defends. and it's hypocritical for Garcel to then say that Bose is the mouthpiece for Doree. That we can agree on because every single time Sutton gets into a pinch, Garcel does stand up for it. That is being a good friend. But when Bose does it, you can't check her for doing the same thing. I don't really have an issue with it. I don't have an issue with it at all.

It's people speaking on behalf of their friends. Like, I get it. Like, I would stick up for you, though I loathe you sometimes. I'm just happy that it's not turning into a thing where we're calling it out. out every single time that somebody does it. Yeah, we don't need to do that. We did get the one check at Doreet's party, and then it kind of put things into perspective. And it looks like Garcel kind of understands that.

Yeah. And she says that in this scene even just like, yeah, you know, I do speak up for you sometimes. Okay, cool. Bose can acknowledge that. You can acknowledge that. Let's move on. Agreed. We don't have to do the whole spokesperson thing.

I thought that was going to turn into something way worse. Yeah, it didn't, which I'm glad. But we're back with Garcel and Sutton and they're discussing Doret and Kyle making up. And Sutton's like, well, they fully made up there. They're like giggle on the couch. like everything's back to complete normalcy. And you can tell just by her reaction, Sutton doesn't like it. But Garcel takes it a step further in saying,

this is going to really bother Sutton because when Doreet and Kyle are cool, there's not as much room for Sutton. And Sutton wants to be Kyle's friend more than anything in the world. And we get even more on that from Sutton later. And I'll save it for that scene. And we talked about that a lot, especially last year, when Kyle and Sutton seemed to be going on each other's necks for a while. Name them.

We weren't really sure where she stood because we thought forever that's what Sutton was trying to do. She's just trying to get into Kyle's good graces so she can just kind of like buddy up next to her and just go with whatever she's doing. But last year it kind of threw us through a loop. Yeah. And we kind of forgot about that. And I didn't even remember that as we were going through this season. And I'm like, yeah, you know, I think that they want to be friends. And Sutton had that weird confessional in the beginning where she talked about how much she just wanted to like let everything go.

from last year, be Kyle's friend, be there for her. Then we saw her try to be there for Doreet, and that didn't go very well. So we didn't really know where Sutton stood, but if Carl's calling her out on this, and obviously we get the Sutton thing later, Garcell's calling her out on this. It's like, okay, yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah, there's merit to this whole thing. And they're discussing Mo and the woman in Mekino's, they're discussing Kyle and Morgan Wade, was her going to Morgan's show to get back at Mo, which we both agreed.

I don't think so at some point. When does she get to live her fucking life? And they're both, like, tiptoeing around this conversation. I think Garcel's tiptoeing to try to see what Sutton's going to say about it. Because at this point, she's like, how much are you trying to ride for Kyle right now? Right. And it comes out. She's like, I just want to respect her privacy.

I don't want to push too hard on this whole thing. And Garcel was like, hmm, kid gloves. I'm like, hmm, good. Call her out. Like, fuck it. Because it is. It's a double standard for Kyle when it comes to Sutton because she just wants to be her friend so badly. But now that Garcell's starting to clock it, I'm.

Normally, I would say, because we've seen a million times, Garcel says something in a confessional that is not mean about Sutton, but it's just a hard truth. Right. But we never see Garcell say it to Sutton's face. Yeah. I'm wondering if this is going to come up at some point where it's like, do you think that, you know, I think it could go the opposite where Sutton could be getting ganged up on by everybody else and Kyle staying out of it. And Garcel calls out Kyle for not joining in. Okay. Hey, this woman wants to be your friend really bad.

you say she's your good friends, why are you not helping her out? Okay, that would be interesting. I think it could go that way instead. That would be interesting. I would actually like that. But we get Kyle and Bose. And again, it's a shame that these scenes are kind of lackluster because if the season was hitting and you got this scene, you'd be like, oh, this is a good scene.

Instead, it's kind of like, all right, cool, whatever. Because Kyle and Bose are talking and it's immediately better vibes between the two of them. Way better. And I think no ulterior motive for Kyle. Yeah, exactly. She's not shitting on Dorit's flower saying mine are better. better than yours. And I think what we didn't, and we tried to give Kyle Grace this whole season. I think we've done a decent job of separating, like, her shitty moments to, okay, she's also

going through some real serious shit here, which is also a credit to her for finally opening up. So you get the sympathy. In years past, it's like, we get you're going through shit, but you're being an asshole to everybody and not sharing anything. Not showing us those emotions. So it's hard for us to get on your team. Now it's a little bit easier. So when she says things like, you know, the first time that we met, Mo had just left. It's like, oof, all right. So you're probably not at your best.

You're probably a little defensive. You're probably deflecting. You're probably being kind of rude to people, understandable. Boz gets it. She's been through some shit before, so she understands where she's coming from. And you just kind of see a different side of Kyle again. She starts to cry immediately, and she's opening up. And she's telling Bose about the whole situation and talking about how, you know,

But strange when it actually happens because here I am thinking, oh, maybe we'll live in separate rooms and this and that. And the picture of the smooch is more or less, it's time. Yeah. And we kind of thought that even before the picture. But obviously, we're not in that marriage. We don't know. But the emotions are like, we don't know what Kyle's holding onto and not. We can base it off of the interactions that we've seen where Kyle is trying to show Mo the things that she's done in the house.

Mo doesn't care. We're like, good care less. I don't care what color the bathroom is. My condo, I think, is gray. I don't really know. No idea. Very tough to watch. But again, we're not Kyle, so we don't know what she's holding on to.

And this is one of those, I don't want to call it closure moments, but it's definitely like a, oh, shit, I've been thinking about this, the wrong weight moments. And she has it very different. And it's interesting that we get this juxtapose to PK and Doree. Whether or not you think that's real or fake, I don't really care. They're already talking about lawyers. They're talking about divorce. They're talking about this and that. Mo and Kyle are not.

Well, the reality just set in. for Kyle. Like, this is the moment. We could still be separated, but this is what he's going to be doing while we're separated. Is there a chance that we come back? Is he going to like this more? Like, a lot of questions immediately pop up in her head, and that's got to be really tough. Yeah, and Bo's sharing her story of, because she shared it before that her and her husband

were getting separated. Then he came down with terminal cancer. They were still separated, but obviously she stepped back into his life in a big way. And then the first time she went to the house, like she was or he was with another woman there that was taking care. care of them. Interesting. So the guy has terminal cancers, gets separated from his wife and then gets a girlfriend?

Yeah. That's what came to my mind right. I mean, yeah. Yeah, well, I imagine they got separated. He was exploring other things, and then he got diagnosed. But this sum it all up, this seems to be a pivotal moment for Kyle. I think the final nail in the coffin is when she's talking to Mo later. But I think, I do think that this conversation set her up for the conversation with

Mo with a clearer head, kind of knowing where she's going at this point. Yeah, I was surprised that Kyle brought. it up to Bose to begin with. I was too, but again, that points to her, like, good. Trying to open up to people and trying to actually authentically talk to Bose and get closer to Bose, maybe show her like, hey, I'm a little bit different than maybe what Doreet's been portraying. This is who I am.

Let me open up and just be real with you. We know the Bose has no problem with that. No, she likes that. She prefers that. Right away. That's exactly what she wants. So this was a good scene. This was something where you can see that there's a dynamic growing between them, maybe a

relationship, maybe a friendship, whatever you want to call it, that they're going to get a little bit closer and that's what we need to see from Bose moving forward is getting a relationship with everybody else in the group. Yes. She needs to know where they're coming from, what they're going through, because then I think that she is very authentic and very herself. She'll be able to decipher what's real and what's bullshit. Yeah, she's going to be a good person to turn to. Yeah, I'm just waiting and I know it's not going to happen this year, maybe not next year, but if the two of them, Dorete and Bose are still on the show in like two, three years, that fallout's going to hit. They're going to clash at some point. They're going to clash at some point and that

fallout is really going to hit. I'm going to enjoy it. It's going to be really great. But we get a scene back at Drake's. I do believe this is the same spot there at the last time. I think it was, yeah. And it's Doreit and P.K. Got to check in with these two. If you told me it was fake, I'd believe you.

Do I care? I really don't. So we're just going to approach it as though it's not fake. They've been separated for three months at this point. It was amicable briefly, and then it turned awful pretty quickly. I think that it probably that turning point was a seven-page email that we're about to discuss. But Doreet says, you know,

my eyes are open for the first time and something has shifted in you. And P.K.'s like, what does that mean? What, what do you mean? What does she mean? She means she sees things differently now, Paul. Like, are you, you're supposed to be a savvy businessman. How do you misinterpret that? She's seeing clearly now. He's not the vibe I got. from this whole scene is he's hyper aware that there's cameras there yeah he's putting on a facade for the cameras it's not a good one it's not a good one but this is not who he actually is and this is not how he's actually handling this breakup this separation this divorce or anything like that he's waiting for her to explain more before he gets in he's asking her those pointed questions like

what do you mean by that give us more yeah it's almost like and this is a very dirty way to do it it's almost like he's trying to get her to say something so that he can use that as evidence during the fucking divorce. Yeah, like, that's the vibe I got from him, but the only reason he'd be doing the sit down on the show with cameras is so he can get her to, like, maybe he can provoke her in, like, a weird way that's going to go unknown, but it's going to get her to come out and say something that he could be like, oh, there you go, see.

To add to that, honestly, that makes sense because he goes immediately to, see, a big problem I have is your control issues, and that is directly something you'd be like, see? Yeah, look, and he goes in to talk about her quote-unquote control issues, about the apartment because he's like, I was taking an apartment it's the humblest I've ever been

it's so small boohoo what I don't care go back to London you ditch your kids half the time you think you're gonna garner sympathy because you're living in a small apartment you're living in a little apartment

you live in a studio imagine it's probably not a small apartment he's not living in a studio he's living at Moes yeah we know that talking about they're both in that weird bachelor pad doing weird shit but

he got an issue with Doreep wondering and having input about the apartment that he's staying in. I understand that you're getting separated. I don't think it's crazy that your wife, who you're still married to, wants to have a say, or at least discuss where you're living. That doesn't seem that wacky to me. No. You're also the father of your children. Yeah, where are my kids going to be staying?

Exactly. Like, it's not that fucking weird. No, it's not. And the way that he acts, like, see, you're trying to control me again, babe, like, it's not going to work. She's trying to figure out where you're fucking living. And, like, look, do I believe that Doree can be overbearing and controlling? A million percent, yeah, totally.

But I don't think that it's that fucking nuts for her to be like, dude, where are you living? I don't love that place. Can you look elsewhere? And he's like, see, here you go again. Always telling me what to do. It's your wife, bro. You're still fucking married to her. You still have children with her despite the fact that you see them once every two months.

He's also broke. That's probably all he can afford. that's not her problem no it's not like what do you want you're going to have to pay a divorce attorney soon it's probably just a hot button issue because he has so many money issues that as soon as she brings up living in a different area

innately goes I can't afford that but instead it's control it's oh my god why are you trying to control that's the one I wanted because he's not going to admit I can't afford that one of the humblest place you've ever lived in you fought for that place against your wife but you know she brings up this email that she received being like

what was this all about like why did you send this what was the implications of this and he's like you really want to talk about this that's a reminder of what life could look like and say oh so it's a threat you're not doing favors if this is a court thing you're trying to look good for the cameras for the court you literally just said that email was a threat to say hey get in line yep or this is what you're going to have to do this is what you're going to have to pay for this is going like what your life is going to look like you sent her a seven page threat did you expect him to take responsibility for it?

Did you expect him to say, you know, I was just in a weird moment and I just had it out? No, not at all. No, this is exactly what I expected from him. But it's just funny to me because he literally goes, this is a threat. This is what your life looks like without Paul Kemsley. So many words. It doesn't sound that bad, honestly. But what Doreet took from the email is you're getting a lawyer.

You're 100 steps ahead of me. Do you want to divorce? And he's trying to kind of side. step from just saying yes I do because he's like look you're my best mate you're my best fucking mate we've done a lot of fucking things together you know and we've got to find that friendship again in my head I'm thinking all right you find the friendship again the marriage gets back on track and I don't know why I thought about I mean either I'm never going to think that way again because he's like look we find out with friends again things are going well

and we're like you know what we shouldn't be married anyway that's just how it goes sometimes. What? Wait, your issues that you lost the friendship. Then you find the friendship and now we're getting divorced again. There's so many different angles

that you can play this way too. If you want to do that, then you can say, look, we first have to be friends for the sake of the kids. Period. Maybe put that one in there. Sure. Throw that in there and then just say,

we have kids. Here it goes. Just be like, yeah, we've got kids. We have to be friends. Like, no, it's for them. It's for the kids. For the kids. For the kids. That's a pretty important piece there,

Paul. Benefit. Yep. For their benefit, for your benefit, too. I love they just turned into Paul now. Just try to, you know, keep it simple. Try to be friends.

Keep it going and then figure out what you want to do. Now, it's a real thing. And this is, he said the same thing about the email. Like, that's a, that's a peek into the future of what it could be like. This is another peek into the future of what it could be like. We could be friends. We're not getting married or we're not, I'm sorry. We are getting divorced, but we could still be friends.

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Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. But we get a lovely scene with Bose, Keeley, and Lail. They'll love Keeley. Keeley's still great. Yep. he went even further up in this this was a big big brownie points moment for for keely he said all of the right things i believed him it felt genuine i loved how he handled it but they want to

have a dinner with bows lael and keely because keely and boes as we all know at home are moving at lightning speed we're going from dating to having kids to then saying i love you which is i'm not going to comment on the timeline it's still a little strange to me but hey different strokes for different folks. So what we have here is this lovely little dinner. Keeley shows up with flowers and Bo's like, oh, those are, nope, they're for Lail. I'm like, fuck yeah. Good move. Hell yeah, get her flowers. That's awesome. And Lail comes down and she's happy and so fucking mature. It's so crazy because they sit down to dinner and she's like, so, uh, let's talk. Let's talk a little bit. Would you guys move in by marriage? And he's like, oh, you know, I'm, I'm

down to pick up if i need to i'm in san diego but like i would move back here i would probably want to do that when there was an engagement or something like that she's like uh-huh uh-huh okay okay and how many kids are we thinking he's like ah man uh you know i'd like to have a few but obviously it depends your mom's health she's like yeah okay cool cool cool uh what's the timeline what are we looking at time what the questioning and the line of questioning and how composed leo was while questioning keely was literally as though bo's inner monologue came out in a 14-year-old. Yeah, it's all of the scenes that we've seen with Bose and Keeley,

of all of us sitting at home, like, why are you guys not talking about this? Yeah, talk about this stuff. Figure it out, get specific. You need not being general. Yeah, you needed a 14-year-old. I was like, enough of this shit. To be like, I got it over with. Mom, I'll take care of this.

She's continuing the longstanding tradition of just being an ultra-adult teenager on this show. We've seen enough of them. Yeah, Jade is one, or Jaden and now her and who else? there was a couple others i feel like there's more i mean i mean kyle's kids um i'm sure there's a few other ones i'm blanking right now but it was it's impressive to watch her question him and i thought that he handled himself perfectly his responses were great obviously i don't want to pick up and move you from your high school i want to make you comfortable what keely did is where so

many other dudes on bravo fall short keely put them first and it was just nice to see and i'm just I like Keely, and I don't want to jinx it, because every time we say we like a dude, they do something shitty. So, Keeley, please don't let us down, man. You're really, you're riding high, bud. You're doing the best. Yeah, stay where you're at because we're really enjoying it. But Bose goes on to even further what we just said by saying, I never brought a man home. Because to summarize, Layle's dad was like Superman to her.

And nobody else stacked up. Nobody else came close to measuring up to her father. So she didn't bring a man home because she didn't want to. even try if the guy didn't stack up, which means Keely's the man. Yep. So it's just, it was a fun scene. It was a really nice scene. I really enjoyed it, but let's get to the Umanskys. Why not? We don't get to call him that for much longer. No, no. Are we even allowed to call them that right now? Yeah. Yeah, in this

scene we can. Okay. In this scene we can. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. It makes me feel nice. Do we have to? Do we have to keep doing this? Okay, Moe and Kyle are at Moe and Kyle's house. That feels better. Yeah. The Manskies are talking, and how was the trip? Great. Sound baths, you know, healing sermons? That's his fucking first problem. No.

First and foremost, if he was at a sound bath, it's because he was tripping balls somewhere in Europe. He's like, Gen Z girlfriend convinced him to go do it because it's cleansing. Oh my God, everything just clicked. Yeah, you didn't think about that. Everything just clicked. Yeah, he was in Mekinos and there was a drum circle on the beach, and he went there with us 21 year old girlfriend she doesn't wear shoes anywhere yeah she's one of those no shoes definitely no shoes occasional bath a incense definitely a lot of incense uh stones lots of stones and light

therapy uh that all sounds legit yeah yeah i think that's exactly i missed that how did i miss that but he claims only partied five nights Kyle calls bullshit I am also calling solid 20% of that trip was partying no shot no shots are at least 40 I think that's that's that's that's that's It's low. You think that's low? 10 out of the 25? Well, all right. So which daughter was Sophia over there?

I think Sophia was over there. Well, only not for the whole trip. I know. But, like, so she was there for a few days. So those days are probably not partying days. She's there for a week. Let's say a week. So let's call those no party days.

So we're down to 18 days left. Yeah. Yeah, probably 14 out of those 18 days he was partying. I think that he's also limiting what the word partying means. I only got blacked out like five days. Yeah. I think that that sounds more appropriate. PK was there at some point?

Yeah, dude. And you get that cutscene to Camille saying that Mo was trying to recruit her husband and PK to go out there. I thought PK was already going. So that was kind of confusing. But she leads it with, he's trying to drag my husband into a single lifestyle. I'm like, ooh, yeah. I wish they played that when it actually happened.

I know. Why not? I don't know. But that also had to sting to hear. But Mo's just literally fumbling around the kitchen. He's just awkward as shit. And he's like, it was an awkward trip, you know? First, without my family.

I was like, it looked awkward in that airport. Mm-hmm. It looked real awkward. Yep, real awkward. Yeah, you looked super uncomfortable. Your daughter was there. Yeah, dude. The whole thing, the way that he's going about this is so uncomfortable.

He's like stirring the coffee or tea so fucking loud. And they're both waiting for somebody to bring it up. Someone's got to fucking say it. And finally, and by the way, he needs to say it. He needs to bring it up. It was his whole thing. And he finally does like some. So meekinos, it's like, yeah, bro, let's talk about it.

He was like, you know, I'd never do anything on purpose, never want to hurt you on purpose. That I do believe. I don't think he was intentionally trying to hurt her. And I think that somebody caught a picture in an airport. Paul. It was definitely Paul. And Kyle's like, I know you wouldn't. And we are separated.

This whole thing is just super strange. This is the moment where you get her to flat out say the photo says that he's moving on. And it feels like the rug was pulled out from under me. didn't expect this whole life. But there is no coming back from this. And I think that this is what she... Honestly, in retrospect, she probably needed this picture.

Yeah. To be able to finally put a fucking nail on it and be like, I need to get on with my own life. Yes. And for all the people like, I saw this too, it's like she's pissed off about that, but her whole thing with Morgan Wade last year.

Yeah, fine. She didn't do herself any favors last season with the whole Morgan Wade. We're not saying which side is right, by the way. Correct. I was talking about Kyle's psyche. Yes. We've watched her all year hold on to this idea that they can get back together at any time.

And she's just basically prepping the house for him to move back in. Yeah. Like that's pretty much what we saw for the first six, seven episodes. Obviously, she talked to Doreet and things got a little bit more real. But she still thinks this. This picture gave her a chance to say shit. It's closure. It's, yeah, it's closure.

Look, it could still happen. They could still get back together. Probably not. I told you 15 years. They're back. Yeah. And that, you know, you can keep that door open if you want to. That's your prerogative.

but you needed this so that you can focus on your life and stop protecting P.K., Jesus, stop protecting Mo and leaving a door open for him right now because he doesn't want to come back through that door. Yeah, I agree. And I will also point one more time to the Morgan Wade shit last year was retaliatory against Mo for the rumors.

Something happened that we're not a privy to. Most likely, yeah. She says as much last season. Even if she was still like living her life, it still doesn't matter because we don't know what Mo is not on some reality TV show, and I didn't watch the real estate show. I didn't watch that show.

But it's not like he was sitting in a confessional saying, this is how I feel about the pictures of her and Morgan. We didn't get that. We're talking about Kyle because we get to watch her week to week. She has been tough to watch because she's waiting for Mo to come back. Right. Whether or not she did that last year with Morgan Wade is not really a matter. It's irrelevant to the conversation.

We're just talking about what she needs for herself so that she can get over it. So a lot of people need to stop with the, well, what about the more? Who cares? Yeah. You don't have to compare it. Especially Mo doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Quite clearly.

It's not bothering him. So why are we still bother with it? Morgan Wade thing happened and Mo moved out. Yep. So what do you want? I don't know. I don't know what people want from that old thing. I think it's just to drag Kyle.

And look, we've been dragging Kyle for three years. But now that she's doing good, let's not, you know? Like, she's doing good. Finally, she's doing what we want, like what we're waiting for. Yeah. So let's just leave it alone. But you get this really emotional hug. It felt to me like the closure hug.

Yeah, it was like. that moment where it's like all right i think it was like even for both of them but with mo mo we've watched and we're like he's checked out he doesn't want to do this right now he wants to go live his life he's been doing that but he hasn't told kyle right this photo kind of told her for him and this hug kind of solid was like hey yeah that is how i feel this picture is a microcosm for what's going on in my mind yep and here you go and now you get it and yeah let's hug it out yep real hug here's and then honestly you're going to see him kind like you'll still see them with the kids and shit, but I guarantee you, guaranteed the next time you see these two in a room together,

the entire vibe will feel entirely different. And that's okay. It's time for them to move on. But everyone's flying down to St. Lucia, and Kyle is excited to get out of the rat race, the paparazzi, you know, she's ready to escape from L.A. Yep. Nice. Kurt Russell?

Yeah, they. Oh, such a good movie. It's so good. When's the last time you watched it? Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen it, but not for a couple of years, probably. I don't think our audience has seen it as a whole. The whole audience, probably not, but I hope that's, it's fantastic.

It is so bad. It's so great. It's so amazing. But anyway, we get to St. Lucia after meeting in Miami, all this other shit. And not a whole lot happens when we get there. Tilly, that was candy. Yeah. It was not pills.

That was candy. Yeah, it was candy. Okay. Could have been edibles. That's what I thought. Okay, but just the way that she phrased it was weird. It was strange and they looked like, maybe they're micanikes? I don't fucking know.

I was like, she was really, really talking about her candy. And then she was saying if, you know, one of the nights go weird, it'll be nice to get back at like two in the morning and have my candy. And I'm like, are you talking about weed lady? I don't know. And then she's also like, you know, I can't eat. It's fucking it's your suitcase. Why can't she eat them? You can't get candy in St. Lucia?

Is there a specific candy that you need? Maybe it's, but like, again, if I have. my clothes packed for a trip they're clean if a box of candy opens up i'm not like i can't eat that now yeah that's a good point too you know what i mean it was sitting on her clothes although she did say when she was a kid she had a hard time didn't bathe a whole lot and she didn't bathe a lot maybe that didn't change she doesn't strike me as someone that doesn't bathe anymore maybe when she's in the poker room at the at the viper room she's not bathing yeah which is on you know you gotta go you're on a heater doesn't wash her clothes but she probably has people to wash her clothes for her i don't

understand why we can't eat. Yeah, I don't got to do there. I don't understand what the candy is. We need answers. I would hope that we come back to this. I don't think we will. This is where we're at now, because nothing else is really happening. Yeah, that's a good point. We can talk about relationships and Tilly's candy. Yes. Because the only thing you really get in this scene, which I actually did appreciate on some level is kind of the outsiders, right? You get Garcell, you got Sutton and you've got Tilly. And Tilly's like, you know, it's a tough group to crack. Like, it is really clicky. And it is. It's extremely clicky and you watch the fallout of Doreet and Kyle but the minute they're cool again it's right back into their old shit and this is a different perspective and it really shows you

how affected by all this Sutton really is and I think this could go back even with Tilly to when they were kids not feeling they're part of the cool kid group and that's what you have and that is what Kyle embodies for Beverly Hills and always has embodied for Beverly Hills is the cool kids club I think it's a good point and Sutton is brought to tears about it it's like all right So all of this shit with Dorit, with Kyle, with Erica, with that whole side of the group could be rooted simply in the fact that Sutton feels left out of the cool kids, has been trying her best to crack that group. Every time she takes a step forward, she takes three steps back because she gets into some shit with somebody. But her shit that she starts is a reaction to not feeling like she's accepted. Correct.

But I think we've watched that pretty much since she came on the show. She's just weird, eccentric, and she's never been given a chance. Right. Garcel gave her a chance. They're close. Tilly, we already knew that they were close. Kyle sort of gave her a chance, but we knew that Kyle was a bad friend. He was back and forth with it.

Yeah, she was just an inconsistently, usually bad friend. The thing is, though, if that Augusta Tripp showed her some more sides of something that you needed to see, like, we could have a storyline here where it's like Kyle understands something more now. And we kind of got that in confessionals. Yeah, and I need to see it. action. That's why I'm worried when Doreet starts to chime in and Kyle's back on Doreet's side a little bit. Will she

have the biggest tell? Will Kyle have a moment where she steps in and steps up and says, whoa, whoa, to Doreet to somebody else on that, on that boat? I don't know. Well, she stands up for Sutton in front of the group. And that's a big change. Yeah. And I think that if we're

ever going to get that, this is the best chance because she's the most emotionally in tune than we've seen her in years. So I don't know, but I did feel bad for the you know the outsiders in that scene yeah i mean also just an FYI and whatever you want to call it um can we stop with the housewives sharing beds everybody gets a room give people beds everybody gets a room what are we doing what are we doing you guys have so much money and bravo pays for half of it yeah i know i can let bravo i don't understand unless you're going to stick people

that don't like each other in the same room then i'm down let's get to some questions sure let's do some questions. From Blackbeard 601 was Moe's latest BS, the wake-up call that Kyle needed to finally move on. It was. Yeah. And I don't even think you can't even call it BS either. Like at the end of the day, yeah, it looks a certain way. Yeah, it's like a 21-year-old in a pullover.

He's single. You know, they're separated. Like, and that, even Kyle realizes that. She's like, this is weird to say because you are single. Like, we agreed on this, but it's just weird. It feels weird. So yes, and I think that this was the moment that she needed. Perfect.

I'm going to read this one because we got an answer to a question that we had a couple of weeks ago about a person. Love that. This is Robert Taylor, writer of stuff. Love that. What does he do? He answered that, but I'll get to that after the question. It's actually... He answered what he does with the right?

Wow. Doreet is cruel as Sutton for three years. Sutton says one thing and they want us to think it's worse. Make it make sense to me. Valid point? It's a very valid point. That's what we were saying. been mean to Sutton for a while, and now she can't speak up for herself.

Also, I'm a television writer. Nice. There you go. You're curious. You are certainly a writer of stuff. You also wrote that question. From Jean-Marie B. 223. Since this was filmed a while ago, why is that funny, too?

It's all rhymes. Okay. Gene Marie 23B. He-he. Since this was filmed a while ago, do you think Keely is truly wanting to be married to Bose? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yes.

Yeah, we're not doing it. Until we see otherwise, don't do, let the fuck. We're not doing it. This feels like an omen. It really feels like an omen. The fact that we said every time we do this, the guy turns out to be shitty, and now someone's saying this at the end that it's not real because it's for TV. I don't like this.

Yeah, no, we're not doing this. Don't do this. We got a couple of questions. We already addressed this, actually, but I'm going to read them out anyway. From K. Canny 2012 and Mama Mayo. 17, both of them pretty much asked the exact same question. Hasn't Kyle been photographed all over with Morgan Wade? Not to mention

that god-awful video. Why is this any different than what Moe is doing? The timing of it? What's going on between them? It's not very different, but it's all, again, we're just talking about whether or not Kyle needed this to move on. Yeah, and it's similar.

It's when it happens. Yep. Like, they dealt with the Morgan Wade shit on some way, shape, or form. And again, if we go back to that season, something happened that she says is one of the worst things ever. We don't know what that is because she never told us what that is. The Morgan Wade stuff, you could say, was her retaliating for some shit that Mo did. Correct. Like, everyone forgot that point for some reason.

They did, yeah. So we'll have to see how it works with their dynamic moving forward. Oh, yeah, but that's all I got, buddy. well that's all i got to uh i hope it picks up next week i i'm confident at least something's gonna happen we know that yeah we know that yeah but that's all i got you got anything else nope what's our show bro's gotta go later hey michael hey tom you want to tell him or you want me to tell him no no no i got this people out there yeah people lean in get close get close get close listen Here's the deal.

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