Bros & Shows - Kyle Plays the Victim while Amanda Checks Out (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

What's up Bros? Summer House is off and running and things are getting interesting already. Kyle has decided that he is going to be the victim in this whole situation. Amanda is clearly checked out at this point and signs are adding up as to why they ended up splitting. Ciara continues her summer of being "less rigid" and she has been delightful so far. The newbies are certainly holding their own and have already made a great impact on the show. West and the boys are vibing and it looks like despite Kyle moping around, it's not affecting the rest of the house. Can summer stay fun with Kyle being a bummer? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is an interesting summer so far. Very interesting summer. There's a lot of awesome things happening, and we got a lot of question marks up in this house. It's been two days. I know. Interesting summer. Very interesting summer.

Don't know where it's going to go. I'm very, actually, I'm very hopeful for it because those were two very fun days, and it doesn't seem like the Amanda Kyle thing is going to spread like a disease throughout the whole house to the point where everybody is immobilized. which is what I don't want, which we've seen in the past. Seems like everybody else is able to do their own thing, and that's what I want for the whole summer. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos.

Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only lover Goots. What's up, dude? Maybe RIP lover Goots. I know. It seems like the whole company's going under, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

If you think that this season is going to be, at least from my perspective, if you think it's going to be us bashing Kyle for being an idiot, I'm not going to because he's already doing that for us. It's very funny. Like, yes, you know, what we do, we take what we see on TV, and then we analyze it, that we talk about it and how it makes us feel, how it makes you guys feel. And we try to kind of compress that into a nice little delicious brabros burger. We don't have to do that. Yeah, broad brosburger sounds fantastic.

Let's talk to Carl about putting that on the menu. Talk franchising. Let's talk franchising. But when it comes to Kyle, like, I know how it ends. So it's just making me laugh. Like, it is ridiculous. And there's not much more to add to the. the things that he's doing because it's just so obvious and so apparent, like him pretty much

talking to the cameras every second that he gets is very funny to me. So I don't really need to bash him. Like he doesn't need to be bashed because it's over. The marriage is done. We're good. We're moving forward. I'm not going to add insult to injury because he's doing enough for himself. I'm not going to bash him.

We're definitely going to have to analyze a couple things, not too in depth because again, like, we know where it goes. It's more so just like highlighting moments where. And I agree with you. There's no need for a roast sesh because he's doing that by himself. It's just question marks. Like when shit goes down, I'm like, brother, what? Like, how is that your take on this situation?

Like, it doesn't make any sense. But yeah, I'm with you. I mean, we'll obviously take a few jabs here and there just because, you know, we are still the brah pros. But I'm more just like, I've taken the emotionality out of it. Normally, you know me. I'd be like, oh, fuck this, fuck that. I've taken that part out of it.

Now it's more so just trying to, as you know, understand. I have to understand. So watching him work through and the mental gymnastics and the hula hoops and he's jumping through and all this other shit to get to a very basic premise that we all understand at home is very interesting to watch because I don't know how you can be so, I'll pull it out of Shawshank here. How can you be so obtuse? Yeah, he is being very.

on the twos. He's like a 190 degree angle right now, bro. It's too. And that's the other thing is it's not really behavior that we haven't seen from Kyle in the past. I mean, we've gotten to know this behavior over years and seasons of him doing pretty much the same thing. It's just gotten to a point where it's so exacerbated that I didn't think he

could take it to this level of ridiculousness. And I could not be happier than to watch the rest of the cast, not take it that seriously. I know. The only one thing that like kind of stood out to me that I'm a little question. on and you and I can discuss and maybe it'll quill some of the issues that I have, but it's KJ and the thing that he did pretty early in this episode, everybody else is like,

is just laughing at him. Like you go around the table when he's doing crazy shit and saying wild things. Everybody's laughing. Like they're not taking it that seriously. They're not really getting involved. They shouldn't. They're not feeling his wrath. And they shouldn't.

And look, we say that especially for shows like this, Southern Charm, Southern hospitality, BPR, whatever it might be. A lot of times we're sitting back. like why would you want to get involved in this? It doesn't make any sense from the show standpoint, and it doesn't make any sense from a personal standpoint,

because you're just going to put yourself in a bad spot. They're not doing that, and I could not be happy. It's like a proud dad moment. Like, good job. Way to not get involved, guys. Yeah, exactly. And there's no need for them to. And I think the biggest reason for that is we've watched this before.

We've heard these things from Kyle. We've seen him sit down at the table. Like all of these moves, we have seen for 10 years. So that's where it's losing it steam. Because everyone at the table's like, here we fucking go. Doing the same thing again. Let's hear it, dumbass.

So no, they're not taking you seriously. Yeah, they're laughing at you. Because who would think that this would work other than Kyle Cook? I don't even know what work means. Like, what's the end game for all of this? I don't know. Just to be heard out. Like, I do not feel humiliated, I think, to have people like listen.

But like, you've lost your. listening privileges because you keep saying the same shit and doing the same shit. So it doesn't make sense. It's not worth their time. No. And the way that these things play out to, I don't even think it's necessary. That's why I question the end game because I understand what you're doing. You're just, you know it's over or it's very close to being over.

So you're trying to scramble for any sort of semblance of maybe someone will see it the way that I see it. Because I do think there is something to be said for people who are in relationships that are like pretty much nearing the end and you know how it's going to go. And I can't imagine what that's like when you're in the spotlight, the public spotlight of reality TV. And everybody's kind of already gathering behind Amanda as it is. So you are probably trying to delude yourself into thinking maybe someone will see it

from my perspective because I can't be that crazy. Like whatever his perspective is is his perspective. And if anybody's been in a relationship that is kind of fizzling out at the end and you're just trying to grasp on to anything that you can to try to make yourself not feel crazy, that's what he's doing. So I can't really fault him for that because I understand that point of it. It's when he takes it to the whole group. And it's like, dude, these people are all friends with both of you.

And they're around you guys enough to realize what you're doing. And that Amanda's, yeah, Amanda's very, let's call her absent in a lot of these arguments. Because she's checked out. She's distant. Maybe it's you going on DJ trips. Maybe it's this. Maybe it's that. I think that the marriage was going to end at some point anyway.

Or you guys were just going to truck along and it was going to. be very unhappy. But for the rest of the people in that group, like, they see it for what it is. They're not going to have your back because they know what that means, especially somebody like West, Jesse, they understand if they take your back, they're going to have to hear from Sierra. And then Sierra is going to go after them. And she's going to be distant towards them the whole summer. They don't want to ruin their summer by backing you for no reason. It doesn't really mean anything. So taking it to the group doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Taking it to Carl is going to happen. Those are the scenes where you can explain your side because Carl will give you a lending,

or lending a ear. He can try. And I think Carl does a really good job to it. And Carl is going to be my barometer because he understands both sides and he gets it. I do think he understands that their marriage is not going to last. But he's still going to hear Kyle out. That's your opportunity. If you're thinking of it from a show perspective to try to reach the audience and say,

I'm not crazy. I'm not an asshole. This is where I'm coming from. And this is what I'm going through. Spend that time with Carl because they're going to air that. And that's the best opportunity for you to kind of collect. your thoughts and talk when you're not in front of the whole group and you don't have to worry about people chiming in. So talking in front of the whole group is never going to make any sense to

make. No. Yeah. And even in those scenes with Carl, like, you know, it's definitely the best opportunity to tell your side of it. But like, again, you're not saying anything. Like, nothing worth value. But you're right. Like that would be the best opportunity you have to try to connect with the audience. Like, I'm sure you'll sway a couple of people out there. I'm sure we'll find you in our comments telling us that we're Kyle haters or something stupid like that. And I don't even care about the Kyle haters. Like I think that there is somewhere in all of this madness of Kyle trying to explain it. There probably are some truths, but it doesn't matter because of the way that he's carrying himself.

Like if you were carrying yourself, not playing the victim the whole time, not acting like everything's Amanda's fault, which it seems like he's kind of going down that road as it is, if you were going from a different angle, I'm sure there are some truths in there. are some things in there. And that's the same with any relationship that's falling apart. Both sides are doing things. It's just that Amanda's doing a much better job of keeping that shit under wraps. Like she's not parading around going to DJ parties and acting a fool and staying at people's houses until 6 o'clock in the morning. She's not doing any of those things. So when you do the worst thing, it's going to come down on you. He's just not going about it the right way if this is

what his end game is. And again, I'm still trying to grasp what his actual end game is and what his what his motive is to do any of these things. It is to not look bad. It's just when he does the things that he does, I question a lot of it because I'm like, maybe that's not what you're trying to do. And now I don't know what the hell you're trying to do. Well, yeah, I think it's nothing to do with the marriage even.

I think it's just so he comes out of it not looking like shit. That's the vibe I get at least. But let's jump into the episode. We start out. It's the post, quote unquote, skinny dipping moment, which it wasn't skinny dipping. she had underwear on, but we get done that moment and we get a montage of 10 years of skinny dipping. This is nothing new.

Again, she wasn't nude. But if we're going to play this game, all right, roll the tape. We see everyone's ass cheeks. We see everyone naked jumping in the pool, lots of blurred images. We're all used to this at this point. We figured you were too. Lo and behold, we go to Kyle's confessional. This tells you exactly where this guy's at because he doesn't know how to defend it.

He's just like, but I know I didn't like it. It felt weird. So what? This is such a weird stance to take. And the best part about this and Kyle as a whole, there is a part of him that understands, that grasps. Like he has a little bit of self-awareness. So even in this moment when he's trying to talk to the camera to explain like, this is why I felt this way, you see his face. He's like, yeah, I know how this sounds.

I still stand by it, but I know how this sounds. It's like, but it is. It truly is that. And again, like, I get it. You're in such a bad place in your marriage that something that you would typically cheer for. Like if this happened four years ago and Amanda was having a fun summer and this is just the first party that you guys through. If Amanda was having such a good time that she felt comfortable enough to take off her clothes and jump in in her underwear, you would look back and be like, hell yeah, Amanda, that's awesome.

That's what we're doing. You might even want up her. You might get fully nude and jump in and say, all right, we're doing this. We're starting off the summer right. But because of how bad of a place you're in and how bad of a place that you feel you're in, that's why you're reacting. Like, it does make sense. I do understand why you're reacting the way you are. I don't think that you should be reacting that way. But I get where you're why you're thinking the way that you're thinking. And if you could have that sort of self-awareness and instead of sitting there and trying to drum up some sort of answer for why you did that, which is what he was trying to do, it would go a long way if you just said, I don't know. I'm acting irrationally. Like I don't like where we are in our marriage. Tell Amanda that. I can't seem to fix it.

I can't like. Yeah, if his goal is to try to get us, he should tell us too. But like say something along those lines where I'm spiraling and I, I normally would love that she just did this. Amanda is having a fun time. Like I would love to see that. But because of where I am,

I just can't do it. And I don't know why. And I'm spiraling. There's your sympathy. There's what you want from us. Instead, you're like, uh,

I just can't admit that I'm wrong. That's the thing. I just cannot admit that what my reaction was was wrong, even though he knows, and you can tell that he knows, that it was wrong. Yeah, exactly. That's a great way to put it.

He just can't accept defeat in this moment for some stupid reason. But everyone's getting ready to go out. I love the energy this summer. I love that every night we're expecting to go out now. We're not looking at the two or three people that might squirrel away and go out for a little bit. Like, this is the move. I love that. It feels like summer house of old.

But we're getting ready. I love the West and KJ check in. Hey, man, how you feeling? I was a little anxious, but every time you check in on me, like feels a little bit better. Fuck yeah,

bros supporting pros. We love to see that. And he points to it being much chiller than last summer. We're only a weekend in, but he's right. Like the vibes in the house are immaculate. Things with Sierra seem to be settling down. They seem to be getting along really well.

And we get to go out with cameras, which we haven't been able to do in a long time. So I was excited. We didn't get a whole lot out of it, but the fact that we were out and about with them made me happy. They still smacked us over the head with it when they talked about that night later and all the things that transpired at the end of the nights. God damn it, guys, you can't just do these things on camera. Like, not that I really want to see Kyle in that state because we already have to see Kyle in a different state that we don't really like and it makes us uncomfy. But yeah, all right, I'll take what we get, right?

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Now, this is part of your issue. And this has been your issue summer after summer, after summer, after summer. Things go wrong with your marriage. You go to everybody but Amanda to talk about it. So, lo and behold, he's doing the same thing. Granted, Jesse's the one that brought it up. But those guys were trying to figure out what the vibe is too, because they're sitting there like, well, I hope he wasn't a dick to Amanda about it because that'd be fucking weird. So they're trying to feel the vibe out for him.

Like, hey, did you get a little spicy with her? And I was like, look, man, there's just so many things that we need to talk about. This was fucking, what a weird hell Mary. You know, I shouldn't say this, but she smokes weed every night for the past two years and passes out. we're not doing that, right? You're not going to blame Amanda for not having sex with you because that would be crazy. Because if you're doing all these other things that she doesn't like and she said, don't go out and don't get drunk all the time and you found a job in a career that allows you to go out

and get drunk all the time and not be home at all. So you're doing all these things that would clearly irritate her. And again, you're not home at all. And you expect when you are home that she wants to point you, in what world would she be even remotely attracted to you? Like this is so dumb and you're going to blame her for smoking weed and that's why you guys aren't having sex? No, dude. Look in the mirror.

That's why you're not having sex. It's pretty fucking obvious. Yeah. And I know he was hammered, but the line of thinking made zero sense to me. Crazy. Trying to open up the door of I come home from a trip and the apartment is just trashed. It's like a frat house. She's smoking weed all over the place.

She's smoking weed every night. There's clothes everywhere. I had to call her mom. I had to call her mom to ask if she could come down to clean. You're her husband, buddy. Like, I'm not saying you need to have a strong conversation with her about hygiene in the apartment. I don't care what happens in there. That's the person that you married.

I don't think that it's really that bad. I think you're obviously trying to like raise the bar here and say that it's really bad. It stinks in there and it's disgusting and you don't know what to do. Again, it still goes back to you traveling as much as you are to go DJ. I know that later in the episode we talk about you traveling for lover boy and it just made sense because you were able to swap expenses. No, it doesn't.

No, it doesn't really make any sense at all. But at the same time, this is a wild way to go about it. Well, wait, did you call her mom to come clean up everything? Yeah, I did. I called her about a month ago. This was about two months ago. And I was just at my wits end. I called her mom.

Her mom came down and she just tucked all of that clothes, all the clothes in the back room. Just put it all away and act like everything was fine. I just don't know what to do. Again, I know you're spiraling. This is the worst way to go about it, is telling all of the boys what's going on. And at that same time, on the other conversations,

we're trying to do a little sleuth. We're going to just walk over there. We're going to, I'm just going to hang out and just hear what they're talking about. I thought it was going to be Bailey or Levi that walked over there. It was Amanda. Amanda walks over, hides behind Kyle in a very, like, normal, cute, like girlfriend type of way.

Like wife kind of way. Like, hey, hon. I'm not here. I'm not here. Just keep having your conversation, see how it goes. And KJ, this was very questionable. This is what I was talking about earlier. Hey, man, I'm really, I'm really sorry you're going through that.

Like, we have your back. No, he says, we have your back is what he didn't. I don't think you said we feel sorry for. I think you said we have your back. I think that's an important distinction. He did allude to some sort of tough time. Yeah, I mean, we got your, we're here for you, bro. That's what he says.

We're here for you, bro, which does imply that he's going through something. I agree with it. After we all see Amanda, everybody standing there sees Amanda right behind Kyle. Why would you do that? And I don't know. And the options are one, which KJ hasn't been there long enough for number one to be the option. But number one option is no, no, no, no. This is a crazy conversation.

Amanda's over here now. I need you to address this with Amanda. So we're not just going to stop this conversation. I'm going to say, I don't think the KJ was doing that by any means because he hasn't been there long enough to know how this works. but that is a very, very funny option. The other options are he scrambled. I mean, he already talked to West about his anxiety. Maybe he did scramble a little bit or three.

He's hammered and really doesn't know that Amanda's there. I don't know which it is out of two and three. Both are kind of funny, though. And the way that it works out is incredibly hilarious because now Kyle does have to address this with Amanda. I think it's a combo of being drunk and anxious and not probably knowing all of the ins and outs of this situation and hearing Kyle going through and be like, hey, man, we're here for you, bro.

Not thinking. He's like trying to make friendships in the house. Yeah, honestly, I think he's like, oh, man, that's tough. Like, here, are you going through something? Because he doesn't know the other side of it where it's like, no, this is more of the same, brother. But yeah, that's the vibe I got. But now that she's joined the conversation and she hears that,

she's like, wait, what do you need? It's like, that's a great question. That's a great question. What are you trying to get out of this whole thing? And he tells, he's trying to tell her. And this is him being drunk and also, you know, getting caught. He's like, well, you know, she's like, what, cat got your tongue?

Like, you got lost to say everybody else. Talk to me about it. And he gives more of the same sob story. You know, I feel like you're very disinterested in me or us. Like, you haven't asked me a question in years. What? And I just want companionship and friendship. And you don't even give me that.

Again, like, we don't have to do this every time there's an example. But like, look at the track record. That's why she's disinterested now. because you're not there. You're blaming her for not being present. You are both physically and mentally checked out. And you can blame work. You can blame this.

You can blame that. That's the problem now is you continue to try to point to lover boy. You continue to, now you're trying to point to the DJ thing, which is crazy. But these things should not supersede your marriage. That's the whole point. Like, that's what everyone's yelling at you about. It's like, I get it.

You're working hard. No one's questioning your work ethic. I won't do that. I know he works his ass off. I know he's trying to make this whole thing work. He makes a lot of sacrifices personally for lover boy, not for the marriage, but you do. And I get that. But at the same time, that's also telling Amanda that these things are more important than you and I.

So that's a problem. And when you're standing there trying to play this card of like, you're not there for me, you never want to talk to me. We're not intimate. Where are you at? You really don't understand why? like you really don't understand why she's gotten to this point of like I don't fucking care anymore.

I mean, that's one of my favorite things that he said all summer and now he said it twice. You don't ask me any questions. Like about what? I mean, I know what he means. She's not asking him when he gets back from his trips. How is your trip?

Tell me everything. He wants to tell her everything. He wants to tell her how much fun it was. But again, this is the one thing that she has told you over and over again. She wants you to mature. She wants you to grow up. She wants you to get out of that.

And again, in the past, we've looked at both of them and said, Kyle's not changing. This is who Kyle is. Amanda, Kyle's not changing. This is who he is. You did want him to change, but he's never going to change. We could tell you that after watching him on Summer House for years.

Get the fuck out of there. And yet you still somehow convinced yourself that he was going to change. And he wasn't. So that's both of your faults right there. But when he says things like, you never ask me questions, I always laugh because that is really funny. And it's for all the reasons that you.

You just said, she didn't want you to do this in the first place. If you go and do something that your partner is vehemently telling you, don't do this. When you come home from doing that, she's not going to be interested in your hobbies. She's just not. And this isn't something weird and stupid and menial like, oh, I went to a video game convention and she's just staunchly against video games. She didn't ask you how the video game convention was. That would just be like, all right, she's not taking an interest in my hobbies.

This is something that she's told you for years. I want you to change. I want you to change. I want you to change. Then you get a job that causes you not to change. Of course, he's not going to ask any questions about it. Yeah, I know.

That's why I just scratch my head. That's why I don't longer get like upset or anything about it. I'm just like, really, man? Like, come on. It doesn't seem that hard to figure out. It's like getting sad, man. Yeah, it's exactly. It's like it's just getting sad at this point.

But everyone gets back to the house. Looks like they had a good night. And Carl's clocking something different. He's seen this whole thing before, as we all have, and he points that out. It's like, this is nothing new, but it does feel different. Like, this feels like a different form of Kyle. I agree to a certain extent. Like, there's definitely a different air about him.

You know, he's quicker to lash out. He's quicker to just like look at the ground and pout. Usually it takes longer for him to do that. So there, something has shifted in him that we are seeing. And Carl being Carl recognizes that wants to check on his boy. But we get to the next morning. Carl get some Beckies for everybody, got some bacon, egg and cheese on a bagel, love to see that. The new, the newbies, they're feeling Carl, you know, that, that as they call it, the muscle machine that he broke with the hammer, that really left an impact on them.

They are, they're into Carl. Carl has become like a bit of a heart drop. That's what we want. And they even say, like, he's got all these great traits and you would think that he's a fuck boy, but he's just not a fuck boy. in the most non-fuck-boy way. This is great. This is maturity. This is what we finally get from Carl.

And yes, I do want him to test out his game a little bit this summer. Sure. Because we saw his game last year and it was fucking awful. But that's not his fault. He was out of the game for a little while trying to find himself. It seems like he found himself. So now you have to work on your game. So I want to see his game this summer.

That's what I really want to say. I don't want to see his game with these girls. No dating in the house. No, no. PSA. Enough. I've been saying it for years. You guys never listened to me.

Just stop it. Just we're the vibes are great right now. Do not ruin that anybody. Everybody listening. Don't do this. But I do like that Carl has become like, it's sort of like a daddy symbol almost. Like, Carl's up early. He's going to go get us breakfast.

I'm happy, even though I would have liked if he had like a partner to go with, you know, maybe volunteer. I'll go with you. That would be nice. But at the same time, I'm happy he didn't because I don't want anybody romances. So just stay away from all that. But this is Carl's role now. And he loves it. And he's found his way.

And I like to watch him do this because he's in such a good headspace and he's just moving around in such a great way. And that's why I said, Carl is my barometer of the year. I'm going to pay attention to what he says and what he does because he's not in a headspace where he's going to completely overreact and melt down. And we've already seen that clip further into the season where he does melt down with Kyle. I guarantee you he just gets to a point where he's like, this is enough. We can't do this anymore. This is boiled over to a point where it's affecting the whole house. I'm going to step in.

And that makes so much sense to me. Yeah, that scene's going to be wild. I mean, we've seen that before. I think it was Carl going after Luke. Is that right? No, that was Kyle going after Luke. Kyle going after Luke. Yeah, that whole thing.

But yeah. COVID cover. That was a funny one. That's right. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I would imagine it's probably that. It's probably Kyle's inability to see his side of like what he's doing wrong. Yeah.

And that probably boils over to that big moment. I don't know. We'll see it at some point this summer. But this Jesse Sierra thing, how are we feeling about that? How are you feeling about that? Trepidacious, very trepidious. But he's not getting a lot of airtime right now. Not really.

And I do wonder if the producers maybe kind of, or again, we talked about this last week. I do think he's very cognizant of how he is and how he was portrayed last year with the whole Lexi's shenanigans. I think he has taken a step back. I think he's not getting involved as much and he's not being as flirty. Like I haven't seen him really flirt at all with anybody in the house, which is great because I always get the ick from that. I'm okay with this for now because you do still have to have, and we're going to have at least Amanda and Sierra laying down and talking about the things

that are going on in the house, sort of narrating and adding another layer of analysis, if you will, if Jesse's part of that and he can know his role and he can get involved and kind of bring the boys perspective on board. And it doesn't go any further than that. Completely fine with it. By far, completely fine with it because his personality is fine. He just annoyed the shit out of us with all the flirting,

with all the Lexi shit and with all the music stuff that he was doing over the summer while we had to be forced to watch that on TikTok. If he gets away from those things, he's fine. Like he really is like a fun guy that you will want to actually hang around. It's just all the other baggage that he had. If he leaves that baggage behind, I'm completely fine. Yeah, I think we're getting the just the,

right amount of Jesse this summer. Give him a chance to like get his feet wet again, prove that he's not a total douchebag, and just slow down a little bit. And then I'm sure he'll get involved a little bit more as the summer goes on. But this level of Jesse Solomon is all we need. This is the perfect little sprinkle in there. But they're all sitting there in bed and Amanda joins. And that's after she left the room with Kyle.

And he's like, where are you going? She's like out. Bam, door shut. Go fuck yourself. as they're sitting in bed, Kyle comes upstairs and you hear Sierra go, oh God, when he walks in the door, which immediately causes him to leave. I'm so sick of this energy, this, that the other. Fuck this.

I'm out of here. And he goes on his little sad boy run. Now, something to really lock in on here. I don't know what to say, says Sierra. I don't know what to say either, says Amanda. That's where we're at now. And I think that that's what Kyle's having a hard time grasping. Like you have reached the point with everybody in this house, except for Carl.

And that's because Carl cares about you. Everyone else has gotten to the point of, I'm not going to play this game anymore, dude. Like, what do you want me to say? Like, it's the same song and dance. We wake up. You apologize. You try to be nice. We let it go.

We move on to that evening, maybe have one good night. And then the next night we're back to this. Nobody wants to do this anymore. Not just Amanda. Like everyone in the house. So that's where I was hoping. hoping against hope that at some point that would click for him, not even for him and Amanda,

but just for him as a human being to like wake up a little bit and understand. Because like you've said in earlier episodes, you guys aren't going to work out. If you want to go be a DJ and that's your life and that makes you happy and Amanda's no longer being strung along, fine. I don't care. I really don't.

Like I'm not even going to sit here and make DJ jokes. Like go live your life. I could give a shit. But at the same time, be cognizant of the moment, be present currently and understand why it's rubbing people the wrong way and just talk to them about it. Like that's the other thing. You say all these things to us and the camera and producers and random people at the party, but you never are able to relay this kind of stuff.

Like when you're sitting with Carl, do I agree with what you're saying? No, not even kind of. But is that a more productive conversation to have brought to Amanda? probably. She would probably respond at least a little bit better. And I think that that's what she really wants. Like this communication thing that you're complaining about, Kyle. Amanda wants communication. It's just you're not good at communicating with her. And to add insult to injury, she gets extra frustrated because she hears that you're talking to

everyone else about this stuff, but you're not taking the time to talk to her. And that would be a much more productive way to do that, especially for the show's format. because where I think you guys are, I do think that it's too far gone for Amanda actually have a good conversation with you. But at the very least, it would be way more productive for the show if you did that and you tried to talk to Amanda on camera.

You tried to talk to Sierra on camera. Then at least it looks a little bit different instead of you walking around, moping around playing the victim constantly and then going to your confessionals one on one and just trying to explain your side of things that nobody's really understanding and nobody's ever going to understand.

But if you have a sit down with Amanda and you discuss, hey, yeah, I'm sorry that I reacted the way that I did at the pool. This is just where I am. If her reaction is, Kyle, that's where you always are and I don't give a shit, then you might get the outcome that you want where people are like, yeah, I mean, he's trying to have a conversation with her. It's just not going to work. And again, it's not going to reflect negatively upon Amanda because we've been

watching this for years and we've been saying the same things. But at the very least, you're getting your point across to Amanda and to the cameras. Same with sitting down with Sierra. If Sierra feels some type of way, which she clearly. does because her friend Amanda is also wallowing and realizes that this is over, then if you have that sit down, it might reflect positively on the house. Like, I'm not trying to bring the house down. It's marital issues.

I just can't break out of this funk. And I really don't want to include you in it. I don't want to include the boys in it. I don't want to include any of the newbies in it. I just don't know how to get out of my own head. And sometimes it's going to rear its ugly head. I'm just going to be in this position. And I don't really know how to put a lid on that.

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I fucking love that we get... skateboard cut scenes. I love it so much. It's so sick to just watch KJ do his thing for like 10 seconds. I was like, oh, my God, we get to do this all season? Yeah, I know. I want to do that all season. Yeah, it's not just the typical cutaway where you just see pigeons flying around in New York

and people eating brunch. No, just go to KJ doing a couple of tricks in Central Park. That's what I want to see. Yeah, I want to watch him grind a rail. That's what I want to see. I want to watch him do a kick clip over a 12 set. Hell yeah. Oh, that got a little bit better.

The first one, keep it in your path, buddy. Brian, you gross. That's my problem with you, you gross. But anyways, we get our first Lindsay's sighting of the summer. I love that they tag her as a influencer in the little thing as though we don't know who the fuck Lindsay Hubbard is. But she's talking about. Jesse got flagged as a musician, which I did not care. Oh, did they?

Yeah, the tags have been funny. There's a lot of entrepreneurs in there too. Yeah. But Gemma is doing amazing. She's a rock star. proud of herself as a mom dealing with the breakup from what's his nuts turner right turner yeah she broke up with turner she had to be a new mom during that whole thing and she came out on top and you know as she says i've raised so many man babies in my life i was born to be a mom totally fair we've watched that

journey so awesome to see that she's doing so well and then amanda joins and the biggest thing that i wrote down before they even start talking. It's just I love where everyone's gotten with Lindsay. I love that the girls are viving with Lindsay. We get these scenes because we watched that progress. That was last year pretty much. I know we saw some of it during the Carl and Lindsay meltdown two years ago. Then last year, they really, really came together.

And I think Paige was the spearhead of that one because I remember her like taking on a new relationship with Lindsay being excited about it. But all that does just say, I love where she's at with the ladies. it's fun to be able to get these scenes with Lindsay involved because she always has something good to say. She does. You're missing that. She's become the mother of the group, not just the mother of Gemma.

And we've seen that, you know, like you said, over the last season, this is the perfect situation for Lindsay. I'm happy that we didn't have to watch her because I'm sure it was still pretty tough, you know, even though she makes it seem like it wasn't that tough to kind of part ways with Turner. She got her baby. That's what she really wanted. We heard that while she was still with Carl or towards the end of her and Carl's

relationship. and she just gets to move forward. And we didn't have to watch that rough patch. She didn't have to do all of that on camera, which I'm sure there are some people out there that are saying, you know, we do deserve to see that because we've seen Lindsay for years. No,

this is one of those things that I'm happy that it happened off camera. She seems to be in such a good place. And she falls right back into that role that she already cultivated for herself in talking to the other girls about their relationships and talking about the house. And she just has such a cool demeanor now. And that's the best part because we get these chimes in,

from Lindsay where she just gets to kind of evaluate what's going on in the house. Yeah. Tell me everything. And I'll tell you what I think. And they really take it to heart. And that's her best role. Yeah. And I always forget that her and Carl or sorry,

her and Kyle have a closer relationship. Like I always forget that they're pretty tight. And it always does feel, though, like Kyle thinks they're closer than they are. So Kyle divulges a lot of information to Lindsay. And she's just a good listener. So she takes it in. but she tends to take that information to the person that Kyle's talking about, which is a good thing, by the way, because Kyle's not going to do it.

So she brings up the fact that Kyle called her after the last weekend. And she's like, and in typical Kyle fashion, he started unloading about Amanda. And it sounded like he had a bad weekend and he seems defeated. You'd hope that Amanda would have spent more time with him and, you know, five other guys in the house. what we go through in this like intro to what they talked about is is fucking nuts. He's like five other guys in the house, but they're all single so I can't talk to them about it. That's all he did was talk to other people.

Like you talk to everybody at that house and also nobody gets this. That's exactly what he's trying to play. It's like, what do you mean? Like these guys will understand. This isn't like you're not having these problems just because you're married. You're having these problems. These would be a problem in any relationship, not just a marriage.

Yeah. No. And he's also lumping Carl into that. Like Carl had a very public breakup, a breakoff of an engagement with another very public figure on the damn show. I mean, if anybody understands or even has some sort of close, remote relationship with what you're going through, it's going to be Carl. Don't lump him into it.

I get it if you're like, I don't want to talk to West and Jesse and Ben is a new guy. And, you know, he kind of, he's on both sides. He's friends with Amanda. And there's a couple other newbies. He's like everybody's just having their own fun times and I'm over here sad. Like that's what I'm hearing from all of this. It's not necessarily, I don't have anybody to talk to even though that's what he said, but that's so wrong and doesn't make any sense.

What he's saying is everybody else is just having a good summer. They went into this house saying we're going to have a great summer and we're all single, so we're just going to kind of bop around and do our own thing. And I'm over here, the old sad guy. That's what I'm doing. More or less. That's a really good way to lay it out. but the thing that like that always perks my ears up is when these conversations happen and it's

Amanda talking to other people about her situation with Kyle. Amanda is self-aware. Like she knows what's going on and she even says it here. She's like, look, you know, in response to him feeling alone, like that's fair. But there's a reason that he feels that way. Like that's intentional. This is my response to what he's doing. And she even goes far enough to still try to care about the guy.

She's like, look, there's a party that's happy he found this DJ thing. He seems to love it. It seems to really have reinvigorated him. But these are the two things that pissed me off, him drinking and him going out. And then he picks a career where he does both of those things. And on top of that comes all these rumors. Kyle's so drunk. Kyle's in a corner talking to this chick.

God, getting DMs. He fell asleep at a fan. The way she drops this in there so nonchalantly like this is the same as him getting too drunk. Yeah. It's very funny. She's like, you know, he fell asleep at some fans apartment who had a party and he came home at 6.30.

It's like, wait, time out. What? Yeah. And we really did think that we were going to get this at the end of the season. Like, this was going to be the straw that broke the cattle's back and it was going to go right into in the city. And that's where they start talking about how they're separated and they're living separately and all of those things.

I didn't expect it to happen this early on. And I definitely didn't expect Amanda to drop it so nonchalantly. But that does show you where she is. Like, she's been enduring rumors. She's been enduring all of these stories and dealing with Kyle doing all of these things for years. And now she's done. She's had it. This is the old adage of if you go home and your girlfriend broke up with you and all of your clothes are just sprayed across the lawn,

you still have a chance to get back in there. She's not really going to break up with you. If it's folded neatly and sitting there in bags and in your luggage, you're fucked. It's over. That's where we are with Amanda right now. The fact that she's able to just drop that in the middle of all of these other things that she's been hearing, is crazy work, but it shows you exactly where her mind is. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

It really gives you a glimpse into where she's at. But before we get back to the summer house, we do get a quick check in with Bailey and what she does for a living. And it's called The It Girl and she does street interviews. It's a barstool thing, it girl. Oh, she's barstool now? I think so, yeah. Good for her.

Oh, wow. Yeah, she really made something out of this. It's really cool. But she goes out there and she interviews women in the workforce, you know, CEOs, like it girl fashion stuff, like all these cool things. And she did this on her own. Fuck her ex-boyfriend. He was like, this isn't successful.

I love that line. Sweet greens guy. Yeah, it must have been sweet greens. Yeah. And she's like, well, I paid for this vacation. Rent's paid. I'm like, yeah, girl, fuck that guy. So I like, I'm loving the newbies so far.

I, because of that, want to know more about what they do. So this was a nice little cut scene to get to know Bailey a little bit more. Yeah, I really appreciated this. because we again, we've talked about going back to the city, seeing what they do on a day-to-day basis, seeing what else, like what makes them tick essentially? Like, what are they doing Monday through Friday before they go to the Hamptons?

And this is a great little space filler since we can't go out in the Hamptons anymore. Just plug away with this. Like, we are interested in these things. And it's not like they're not meeting up or you can't tell them to meet up for drinks or karaoke or something on a Thursday night before they go up there. Just do this. Like, this is a good way to do it. And it's not infringing on your new show,

which I think they are a little worried about. but this is the best way to get to know newbies because the way that the house is, the dynamic between Kyle and Amanda and all the things that go into it and all the history in that house, it's really hard to watch newbies flourish without knowing what they are and what they're doing.

This is a good way to do it. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then in the background of the interviews, you can just have KJ doing skateboard tricks because they know what he does. Hell yeah. Bring them all together. Now, we have one more conversation before we go back to the summer house.

And that's Carl and Kyle. now I wasn't aware that Carl almost moved to Charles Stenner, Pittsburgh. So I'm glad he didn't do that. So he's still on the show. Do you imagine him on Southern Charm? Actually, yeah. I think I could. I think I could.

He would bring a great presence to that show, a sorely missed presence to that show. Watching him and Craig go back and forth would be fucking hilarious. That would be electric. And also, he'd probably do very well with the ladies down there because he's actually a nice guy. Yeah.

I don't worry about him getting on like a drunk bike taxi later in the night. Yeah, or being a taxi bike driver in solar hospitality. No, it's good to see. I can't remember his name. I'm happy. I can't remember his name. Jared, maybe. I don't know.

But that being said, I mean, we're all happy. We're all rooting for Carl. We said that a million times when we talked about the soft bar saga that happened over like three years. It seems like soft bar is doing well. It opens. he's probably got a huge weight lifted off of his chest. And he's got a new lease on life in New York City. He's got a beautiful apartment.

I think that's in Brooklyn based on what I could see from behind. He's on the water. He's in a high rise. He had a designer come out and fix his whole apartment up. He's just loving it. And this is the best that I've ever seen, Carl. This is the best place that I've seen him in. And I could not be happier for the guy.

Yeah, it's awesome. And just to confirm, like soft bar is doing well, I had the privilege of talking to Carl last week. So yeah, he's thriving. He genuinely is thriving. that's awesome. We love to see it. We love to see it. But Kyle's not thriving. So they're talking about that. And, you know, at least, and this is again where Kyle actually hurts himself a little bit because he is self-aware. Like you know, you do understand to a certain extent. He's like, you know, I'm embarrassed by my behavior. I'm also ashamed. I was talking to people about Amanda and my relationship and I don't even know those people. And I'm not looking to make excuses. But if he had ended it right there, I think he would have gotten some points. I think people would have.

This is what I was talking about earlier. Like you just laid it all out. Like, okay. And if you end it with, I'm not looking to make any excuses. I'm only going to talk about just how I feel, not how Amanda makes me feel. Just talk about you spiraling at the end of this statement. And it would be okay. And Carl's the best person to talk to about that because Carl can talk you through it.

and he can add a couple of things in here and there. And he's going to have your back. He wants to, he's rooting for both of you. He doesn't want you guys to hate each other. He doesn't want anything bad to come of all of this. He probably deep down realizes like, all right, this shit's over. Like, I know that this is over. But get it all out and just talk about you.

Don't talk about Amanda and how she makes you feel because it's not going to come off well. Nope. And he goes into his excuses. And the first one is one that we've heard many times. Pressure from lover boy. And you know what? I'm catching up with you and our friends. Like I'm not going to unload on you all.

What? That's all you do. You just didn't unload about lover boy this time, I guess. But he goes through like the different things. Like he put 500,000 of his own money to keep lover boy afloat, which is alarming. That doesn't sound like it's doing wonderful. It's probably alone, to be honest. But do you think Amanda's parents are invested in lover boy?

Because that might get a little messy. Yes, I do. I remember that being a thing a couple years ago. Yeah. I probably have to buy them out. Yeah. Oops. Yeah, that's going to go.

That's going to be tough. But, you know, on top of the 500,000, he's no longer taking a salary. And that's the way that he tries to spin this into the DJ thing. Like, you just don't bring this up because then he's like, you know, I was paying like expenses to go travel for lover boy. Now I'm a DJ. So they pay for it. But these are the things that she doesn't understand. And when I feel like I make an effort, it's not reciprocated.

What is the line? Where did I put it? Oh, that's what it was. He sums it all up to say that because of Amanda's lack of understanding of the nuances of this thing, she pushes it down into something that it's not. Because Kyle's trying to claim that this is a business move for the business, for the family, for everyone involved. That's his stance that he's trying so desperately to sell to us the audience. I hope nobody's buying that.

But she's not making it into something that it's not. Like she's laying out exactly what it is. You're just trying to find a defense to justify what you're doing, which unfortunately, one of the newbies blew up that spot because she has a DJ friend. And she says he goes home. As soon as the set's over, he's not drunk.

So like you're not even trying to make an effort to make it better. You're leaning on the, this is the job. I have to go out and get fucked up and sleep at other people's houses. It's also total bullshit because you're a Bravo Liberty. We know that Bravo celebs will go different. places and do different like appearance fees like you get paid to do appearances and they fly you out and they put you up in a hotel you could have coupled these two things together and it would have made

a ton of sense you could make even more money by having your wife come with you if you just sat down and talk to her and said hey yeah we have to go out here for lover boy for this this and this but i did talk to a couple of the contacts out there and we can also do a bravo appearance then they'll put us up and that'll cut the cost that is just something i just came up with off the top of my head the other part of it is is paying for one person to fly to different destinations that you are doing lover boy things is not that expensive. You don't have to stay in the fucking top floor in a suite and doing all of these things. You don't have to fly out first class.

You don't have to do any of those things. Fly coach. Stay in a shitty hotel. Go do your appearance. Do the lover boy thing. And then you don't have to worry about it as much. Like it's not that expensive that you going to all of these places to push and sell lover boy, which, by the way, also doesn't really need to happen because it's on Bravo and people are going to buy it.

People are buying Lover Boy because they don't really like you. That's the big problem. I know. That's why Lover Boy is failing. Otherwise, it's just another Bravo thing and it's one of the bigger ones because it's alcohol and it's all over the place. We still see Lover Boy everywhere. People still drink Lover Boy all over the place. So it can't be doing that poorly, but you're doing it wrong.

And again, all of these things are just for you to say it makes total sense. It's a great business move for me to be a DJ. And no one's going to. buy that. And that's the problem. You're not telling just us, the audience. You're telling Carl this now. Carl knows that's bullshit, man. Be open and honest with them. This is what you wanted to do. Amanda wasn't on board, but you did it anyway. And there is a nice byproduct of they are paying for me to stay at these places and I'm getting paid for gigs. So I'm bringing in money and I'm putting food on the table and trying to add to our lifestyle. It just doesn't strike us any step of the way

that you had this conversation with Amanda and she signed off on even one little part of it. You just did this anyway and that's the big problem. Yep, 100%. But let's get back up to the summer house and, and you're seeing little signs of it everywhere. Like, you know, Amanda, she's there and Sierra's not there yet. So she's like, oh, I'm all alone. And Kyle's standing in the kitchen. She's like, you're not alone. Amanda, I'm right here. Like, yeah, that's the point. That's what she's saying, brother. But Sierra arrives with Mia, who I'm assuming is going to be a friend of, maybe a little bit more frequent. I don't know how often she's going to be at the summer house, but I got great vibes from Mia. She seems like she's a good time. She seems like she's outgoing, so she's going to vibe well

with the rest of the house. She's a real estate agent in New York City, former the box worker. We've had a reference to the box before. Oh, boy, have we? I'm so happy I get to bring this to your attention. The box is like a weird kind of sex dungeon type of club. You know who went there last year was Jesse Lexi and Lexi's parents. Oh my God, that's right. Boo. No. No.

Oh, I could have done without that memory. Yep, you're right. Well, that is where they went. I am actually really excited for that. I'm happy that you know that now because I want to see Jesse and Mia just discuss the box and then him drunkenly or stupidly say, oh, I was actually there last year with the girl I was dating and her parents. just to see what Mia's reaction is because she seems like a normal person and I want to see how that goes.

Ew. Gross. Yeah, that seems weird. But everybody's outside and we're just kind of going through what the night's going to look like. We're going out afterwards. One of Jesse's friends is DJing at Common Ground, which is a bar that they go to a lot, I guess. And Kyle makes a joke, you know, nothing crazy. He's just like, yeah, I can get my ID while we're there on my credit card.

He left something there. And then West makes a joke. It's like, oh, maybe you can pick up the skin from your forehead off the back table. Ha, ha, ha. Oh, no. You done did it. Now you done did it because what does that mean? It turns out, you know, Kyle had a rough night.

You know, is that the night that Bailey and Jesse or Bailey and Carl had to walk you to bed? Yeah. It's a bad look. It's a terrible look because this is what we're talking about. I'm turning into Jerry again. You are turning to what she's saying to you. But we saw the aftermath of that night. It seemed like Amanda and Sierra came home about an hour before everybody else did, which, you know, I had took umbrage with a little bit.

But then I realized they're out and about at least. I guess we can't ask for the world. But now it makes a lot of sense because Amanda even goes into it a little bit deeper. Like, oh, so everybody knew how drunk you were. Everybody's sitting around talking about how drunk you are and how you have to go. And that's the end of the night for Kyle. And everybody came back with you. That makes so much more sense.

because up until that point, Amanda's like, all right, I'm just leaving them out there. She probably knew how drunk Kyle was, but also knows where everything is. And she said, I'm just going to, I'm going to go home. Sierra and I are going to go home. We're going to go to bed. It didn't have to get any worse than that. But she's piecing things together that we haven't seen her do before. She's not holding him accountable.

Like usually she'll see how it goes, then sit with Paige, sit with Sierra and talk about it. Like, I guess Kyle got really drunk from what I've heard. Now it's more, how drunk were you? So you were drunk enough that everybody knew that you had to leave? You hit your head on the fucking table. You left your credit card at this bar. And then they actually came home and Bailey and Carl had to walk you to bed. And we saw little clips of that when he walked in.

Everybody's pointing for him to go upstairs. So you know what kind of night that was. The only thing that he could say to make it worse would be, well, yeah, I learned the hard way. Uh-huh. No, you didn't because that's the point. And Amanda says it. Like, what, for the 17th time? Like, this is what she's referring to.

And then your response of, well, it was a long day of drinking and I was in a bad place. This is all the same shit. And that's why the response is what it is. Because you keep saying that you could copy and paste this from five years ago, dude. And it would be the same fucking thing. And as they leave the table, because obviously things fall apart, then Kyle's asking how that spiraled so quickly with Amanda. I don't understand what I'm doing so wrong. they just told a story about you being so drunk,

you had to be walked to bed. And her big thing with you is the fact that you drink too much and stay out too late. You did both of those things. And you don't understand why she's upset with you? Yeah. Yikes. Yeah, it's a tough, tough look.

There's no way to look at this any differently, to be honest. No, and we don't have to keep even breaking that one down. No, but when we're outside again, we're getting ready. Is this dinner? We're not dinner yet. No, we're just outside. And KJ. and Sierra are having a nice little moment. And I actually didn't like production. I think they were trying

to make it look like they were flirting. And West was like watching from the distance, like, oh, what are these two talking about? I don't think that's what that was. I think we saw a really nice both between KJ and Sierra. They're sharing stories about their childhood. You know, Sierra's talking about growing up in a predominantly white area and the things that she had to learn to protect herself as a black woman. KJ resonates with that. He's like, oh, my grandfather used to say similar things to me. And that was part of my upbringing. And then they get into some parent talk because they both have similar experiences. You know, Sierra's like, yeah, you know, it was rough for me. And my mom and I are still trying to figure things out. But it all goes in tune with her this

summer we're being less rigid. We're trying to make amends with people, trying to be able to move forward. But I thought that this was just a really lovely moment between KJ and Sierra. Yeah, it really was, honestly, and it got Sierra to open up a little bit more too, which she's been doing a good job of opening up. But again, I agree with you in the sense of they were trying to paint it like West was watching them. Like, oh, are they flirting? Do I still have a chance with her?

Like, I don't really, that's not what's happening. Anybody out there who thinks that's what's happening is crazy. It's not at all. Like, of course, like KJ's just talking to people in the house. He's making friendships. He's trying to understand where they come from. Like, it's not anything more than that. that.

So that kind of pissed me off that they kept scanning over to West. Like clearly like it looked like he was spiraling and he was anxious about the two of them talking like, no, fuck off. Yeah. Like we don't need to create problems where there's not any. And like you're you're taking away from the moment between KJ and say, I know it's not that deep. But, you know, these are the things that we get stuck on.

Now let's get to dinner. Tie a bow on this whole thing. And again, the sentiments, nice, but this is what I was talking about earlier, time and place because Kyle does what Kyle does. And he's like, I'm going to address the whole group. Hey, everybody. I apologize for last weekend. I was in a spiral.

Now Sierra starts talking over him. She's making little jokes to Carl or whoever sitting next to her, which you could chalk up as rude, sure, I guess. Sure. But again, let's go through the timeline and how this could have gone much differently. All right? Because Amanda's already said upon her arrival to the house, I was ready for our conversation. I was ready to talk to him about it.

He never approached me to have that conversation. It's not my job to smooth this over, so I didn't say shit either. Sierra quite clearly has an issue with you, Kyle. She's making it very obvious by saying things like, oh, God, when you walk into the room. You also know what a big place Sierra has in Amanda's life and as her defender, honestly. If you want to smooth things over with the house, you have to start on an individual level by one, most importantly, talk to your wife. You know, sit down with your wife. And then start there.

Start there. And then go over to Sierra. Hey, I've noticed there's some tension between us. I would love to try to figure things out, give you my side of things and understand what's going. Something along those lines. Because now you've checked your boxes. You've talked to your wife. You've talked to your wife's defender who is not happy with you.

And now you can address the table to apologize for fucking up the night. Wouldn't that have been so much nicer? Wouldn't that have landed so much better? It would have, yeah, in a perfect world That would have actually landed a lot better Doing it now, I don't really think that it was Because the way obviously, and Sierra is fine for thinking this I don't think it was like self-crituitous

Like I don't think it was like sucking himself off at the table Trying to say like, hey, I'm a really good guy You know, I just let one slip away But like honestly, this is going to be a great summer And I feel like we started off on the wrong foot But you know, those are just things that me and my wife Have to talk about like he just He did say a lot of things that he clearly did not

need to say. I do think he would have done himself a lot of favors if he just said, I had a rough weekend last weekend, guys, I'm not going to make a habit of it this summer. I'm sorry. And then again, if Amanda and Sierra have things to say, they're well within the right to say that. But then you could at least look over and be like, what am I not supposed to apologize for my behavior last week? Like, what do you want for me? Then that's okay. But instead, you did try to draw it back in and be like, you know, my wife and I really need to discuss these things that I would have loved it. Like, no, dude, if you would have loved to have have that conversation with your wife, you would have had that conversation with your wife.

Every time you bring this up and you phrased it that way, Amanda says, I would have liked to have a conversation, but you didn't have a conversation with me. Well, I apologize to you on Sunday. Did you? Like, I don't even know if you apologized to her on Sunday. Or was it just one like weird, awkward conversation on the ride home? Because that's actually what I think actually happened. So the way he goes about things is just ridiculous. And it's so stupid that he does this and then he gets all butt hurt because people aren't responding the way that he thinks that they would. why would they? This is a ridiculous way to go about doing this. Yeah, and this is, again, we've done this.

We've seen this. We've watched you address the table to calm everything down. And in past years, it has worked. But the people that have been in this house for too long, they see what it is. They're not going to do this every time. Sierra's not taking you seriously because this is not a serious conversation. Amanda's not taking you seriously because you didn't talk to her yet, but you want to address the entire table about your marital issues?

What the fuck? Like, it's so simple to not do this. And then you want to stomp off like a little baby and slam the door and fuck up the painting that was there. Like you're just L's everywhere. Everything you're doing right now is just fucking embarrassing. Like I get your spiraling, but stop pointing at other people as the problem and just look in the fucking mirror for two seconds, dude. Two seconds. Let's see what people have to say about this one.

Yeah, let's check in with the old audience here. There was one earlier that I do need to bring up. up right away. Let me see if I can find it. Oh, from hi, I'm Cassie or Casey. This is a funny photo and I have so many questions based on this. No. No. I think that I do think that she is fucking with me at this point. I do too. I like that. And I'm okay with that because there were no follow-up questions. So that's okay. Oh boy. Let's see. Are there questions? There's a lot of statements in here. Le Chablis.

Do you ever mix up Kyle and Amanda for Robha, Kyle and Amanda? I do it all the time. Yeah, I do, actually. No. When I'm typing up, this is like very specifically when you're typing up like, you know, show notes or stuff. Yeah. From Keep It Clashy.

Do you think Kyle wants to split but doesn't want to see it first? So deflects onto Amanda. No. I don't think so. I actually don't think that he wants to split. I do think that he sees the writing on the wall and he knows that it's coming, but I don't think he wants to. I think he wants Amanda to understand what he's doing and support him,

which why would she? Because she's shown every step of the way that she wouldn't. But I don't really think that he wanted to split. I don't think that either of them really wanted to split. I think they wanted it to work. It just never quite did. Yeah. Oh, keep it clashy.

They caught it. What do we think of Jesse's new title musician? That's why we love you guys. I guess it's funny for now. From Kelly D. 512, at what point do you give up on a business? Has he ever made money from Loverboy? If we take him for his word over the last seven summers, no, he hasn't made a cent from Loverboy. He's never made any money.

He's actually very drowning in debt. I don't know. I do think that he has investors. He has partners and they're not advising him to give up on Loverboy. So it's probably turning some sort of profit. Yeah, I think he. probably paints it to be a little tougher that it actually is as far as like tough times go because it makes his Amanda argument in his head a little bit stronger. I don't know.

This is a good point from Sarah Polarty, even though we know they separated, watching Amanda and Kyle has never been this sad. There is a sad aspect to it because it does feel different, you know, and we know obviously where it's headed, so maybe that's why, but I agree with you. It's got like a kind of a blue era of it. Yeah, exactly. From Frimpy 30, Kyle's a terrible husband,

but not a terrible person. Is he the same realm of Jackson Sandoval? No, he's not, no. He's not a good husband to Amanda. He might be a good husband to somebody else, but he's not a good husband to Amanda,

but he's not a terrible person. Yeah, I don't think he's a bad dude. I think that, you know, he's trying to live two very different lives that do not vibe. Yeah.

But I don't think he's a bad, I don't think he's a bad person, like inherently a bad dude. person though uh let's see a couple more from all hail bales do you think anyone is actually buying kyle's victim bullshit all his talking heads annoy me i there's always a couple that's what i said earlier somebody's going to sympathize with him but i i don't know i yeah i don't know if anyone's buying it yeah i don't think so either this is fun from riland mcd 15 since they're transitioning some people off the show. Do you see others returning, Gabby, Sam, et cetera? If they bring people back, they have to be

very careful in who they're bringing back. Yeah. Sam, I would love, but I think she moved on. We also don't like clearly know that they're going to phase people out. Like, Carl, Kyle, Amanda, Sierra. Well, I guess Sierra is not technically on in the city, but we're going to see her on in the city. Kyle, Amanda and Carl are definitely on in the city. And Lindsay obviously is too. It doesn't mean that they're not going to be on Summerhouse moving forward. Yeah, we'll see how they try to transition that whole thing. But I would imagine a lot of people are going to want to stay on Summer House because it's another paycheck.

Yeah. This is an interesting thought from Maggie Eisenhardt. Do you think that the separation happened before filming, which we've talked about a bunch? Amanda told Andy that it was, yeah, Amanda told Andy that it was early October, but it seems like they are not together at all during these episodes. It does give me the vibe that they're living separately based off of a couple different conversations that they've had. But Amanda saying, you could have talked to me, you could have apologized, you could have done all these things. And he said Sunday, to me, that says they drove home together, but they weren't staying together.

Like, I do really think that they are in some ways living separately or just kind of shift in the night at page's house. Yeah, that's a possibility. Let's do one more if we find a good one. Okay. All right, from Steck 33, is the whole season going to be dragged down by Kyle and Amanda? Drag down is probably not the right vernacular, but yes, we do need to see Kyle and Amanda at their fullest this whole season because it unfortunately is a payoff seems like the wrong word, but I'm going to say payoff. This is the payoff that we've been waiting for for them.

Summerhouse does have to show everything happening. I don't think that the rest of the house is going to get dragged down by it. I think there's going to be moments here and there, but it's not just going to be this dark cloud. Like we watched Jesse and Lexi drag down the house last year. Kyle and Amanda, if they dragged down the house a little bit, it's okay because it is something that we've been talking about for fucking 10 years. So it's okay if it gets dragged down a little bit, but I really don't think that the rest of the crew is going to get pulled back because of them. Yeah, I would, I would suggest trying to watch it through that lens of this has been a long time coming and we do need to see it. So, like, instead of, there's going to be moments that it gets irritating, sure.

But, like, I would look at it more as like a, yeah, like, we, this is part of the show. It's part of the history of the show. Like, we need to tie a bow on it. So when those scenes are happening, take notes like me rather than, you know, oh, this is annoying. But I do get it. Yeah, we're coming from. Yeah, for sure. But, uh, yeah, we'll see.

Sheesh. It's, it's the second episode and things are spiraling way faster than I thought they would. So this is going to be interesting. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our braf bros. We got to get out of here now.

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