Bros & Shows - Larsassistic w/ Matt Rogers (RHOBH Full Recap, RHOSLC Full Recap, RHOM Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

What's up bros?! We are joined today by comedian, singer, actor and all around BravBro himself, Matt Rogers! We discuss this weeks episodes of RHOM, RHOBH and RHOSLC and we cover alllll of it. From Kyle and Sutton's feud at the weed dinner, to Larsa being the worst person on the planet. In Salt Lake the girls are in Bermuda, Meredith is in bed and Monica is getting phantom dm's about Angie being in the Greek Mafia. We had an absolute blast on this one so buckle up for a mega-episode! This episode is brought to you by Bubly. All the flavor without the guilt. Bubly is sugar free, calorie free and no artificial sweeteners. That's what makes it our favorite carbonated beverage. To purchase go to bubly.com or to find a store near you! Time Stamps: RHOSLC (10:48) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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that'll make it a i don't need the spotlight i shine just fine hi i'm karma and yes i am a bitch brav bros good evening everybody and welcome back to another episode of brav bros your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen i am your co-host Steal Russell, joined as always by the one and only Shooter Magouter and a very special guest. We have the one and only Matt Rogers on our show. Matt, how are you today? I'm beyond excited. I mean, this is, I actually crept into your guys' DMs to try and beyond this.

I was like, I've been a fan. Like, I think I found you guys through Brooke Ashley, who I love. Yeah, we love her. And then I jumped into all your content. I think you guys are great. Well, we appreciate it. you reached i wasn't going to say that because i didn't want to sound like we were trying to be cool like oh matt roder slid in our dms i did you reached i here's i'll counter it though

so you reached out to us and it was very nice you're like fan to the show if you ever want me to come on as a guest like let me know yeah you left me on red intentionally because i wanted to seem cool i was like oh man i was like i because you know like listen i i'm out here with my bravo opinions. Not everyone's all about my Bravo opinions. Some people are really anti me. And when they see I'm coming on, watch what happens live. I get a lot of people being like, oh no, not again. So I was like, oh no, maybe they're like not about me. You'll fit right in with us, honestly. A lot of people hate our opinions too. So it's great. It's a great matchup. But we know that you've had a pretty crazy week. So obviously you've kind of gone up the ladder. You were with Hoda and now you're up with

us. So, you know, you made it to the top. We're happier here. But, you know, this is how this is where a climax is. Yeah. As like, in terms of dynamic duels, I went from Hoda and Jenna to y'all. Yep. That's the shooter. The natural progression, honestly, you were at Rockefeller Center doing a show. Hoda, brav bros. Oh, sorry. Danny Pellegrino today and then the brah bros. Yep. So yeah, welcome to the peak, sir. You've made it. And now I'm here on stream yard. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. With the, with the big. timers but uh no we're super excited to have you um i actually told my wife i was like yeah matt rogers wants to come on she was like holy shit i was like i know i don't get it either but um so a lot of

people are excited uh we are thrilled but we're going to run through pretty much the same way we always do and uh i did warn you twice now i said look man the friday episodes are a slog through it takes a long time it's three shows we dive deep into each one you said i'm fucking ready to go. Let's do this. Talking about these shows are not a hardship for me. Which is perfect. Bravo doesn't make it easy.

The way Bravo's schedule has panned out, it makes it very difficult for us, especially on these Friday shows. It is. And we just found out that Southern Hospitality airs tonight, too. That's one of our favorite shows. So that comes back. Now we've got six shows to talk about. We're going to be in hell through the holidays. So just everybody out there listening, just know we're doing

it for you. Yeah. It's all for you guys at the end of the day. And we are going to even do our Rosen Thorn with Matt. And before we get into that, I do want to give you a quick shout and I know you got a lot going on right now. You have a Christmas album right now. Have you heard of Christmas? I listen to it. I'm a huge

fan of Rockefeller Center. It was hysterical. I saw you perform it actually on the today show. So what else do you have going on? Is there something you want to plug for everybody? Yeah, so the album is out. It's called Have You Heard of Christmas? You can get it on vinyl. There's a silver edition. You can get it

urban outfitters if you're so inclined you can also come see me on tour i'm all over i am um actually performing uh in chicago i mean sorry in dc this friday so when this comes out i'll be there tonight and then i'm going to be in new york at the end of the month december 23rd at town hall so you can check out matt rogers official dot com for all my tour dates and of course my podcast is called lost culture east as i host that with bow and yang and new episodes of that come out every Wednesday. There you go. That's where you can find Matt.

But without, let's do some Rosenthorne. And shoots, why don't you start us off, set the tone a little bit here? Talk to us what's been, what's been making you happy this week? You want me to start with my happiness or my sadness?

Because I'll start with a little sadness and then I'll step it up and go a little happy after that because this one, this stuck out to me because this is something that we've talked about before. Giving us four stars instead of five for something we didn't do this isn't our fucking fault but okay and this i'm going to actually say the name for this one it's winners six nine three one goes on to leave a glowing review about us loves us

got into us after we were on pink shade for a little while talked about our opinions and our silky voices with faces to match i mean this this review had it all right no we get four stars because we quoted jalen hertz and she's not an eagles fan that's not our fault what do you want us do we were born here. God. Yeah. So when those metrics come out, we're going to have to worry about a four star instead of the five because we are fans of the Eagles. Sucks to suck, but you know what?

That's what it's like at the top of the mountain. Everybody hates you. My rose is something that I did not realize. I did not know that people could just pay to leave comments on YouTube. So there's two people that left comments and gave us money in the process. I'm going to shout out here. We had Guamissi 7-649 just said thanks. and then sent us a little bit of money.

And the other one was from Jill George, 7286, said thanks again and sent us a little bit of money. So look, people are just paying us directly for our opinions. I'm just going to keep rolling. Yeah, I'll always read out of rows. We could be bribed. We're not above money. Oh, dude, all time.

We're on Sutton's payroll, right? And the Gorgas, apparently. I think you might be on the Gorgas payroll, too, Matt. I have been told that I'm her. I'm also a bitch boy. I didn't know she had more than one. You know what I mean? like that's a lot of big boys cater to also love to hear you know maybe that'll be my thorn

never mind why don't you go you go next then you're already geared up okay well i'll just start with my thorn um my thorn would be that i was on watch it happens live with melissa gorga one time and the comment that was made over and over and over again is he's always on with melissa he's Melissa's other bitch boy he's always on with Melissa I've met the woman one time in person at that time I had met her one time in person I've since met her a couple times but I had met her once and I guess that's my thorn

as like the tree huggers the Teresa fans like it doesn't matter if something is grounded in reality or not it's just what they're going to go with you know what I mean it's just we had a rude awakening to because we started Jersey our first show ever was Beverly Hills

that was like a year and a half ago. And then we did our first run-through of Jersey. And other content creators, they started to work with more people. And they warned us a little bit. They're like, you know, be careful with the Jersey fans. We're like, yeah, yeah, whatever.

Wow. We had no idea. They're so mean. They are so mean. They are so mean. And they also don't stop. No, they're relentless. That's another thing is it's like they have a relentless nature about them

and all the time in the world, I guess. But I would say, my rose is that they will not get their way and I will keep getting booked on watch what happens because they love me okay so no matter what you say daddy Andy likes me and you're going to have to deal with my face for some time and I'll also be on New Year's Eve with them Andy and Anderson oh you guys let a drink on that yeah what's the deal I think I am you guys flip Angie some shots over the table I don't know I don't want to get him in any more trouble than he gets himself that's a good point i love andy i hope you can drink new year's eve is

always better with a drunk andy cohen and like having him go on a rant about the mayor of new york was fantastic just like borderline he's like browning out at that point and then he goes on a rant about politics i will watch that i won't watch sober and sober anderson cooper stand up there and chit-chat i'll watch him drunk that sounds like a good time i think Anderson is allowed to drink but I'll also say we have an even worse mayor now. So I would love if they load Andy up with some drinks for this one because, whoa, boy. We're lobbying for it. But, uh, all right, let me go real quick.

I just lost it. This dude comments all the time. But, uh, oh, here he is. This is on X. And, um, this guy, I'm reading this not to give him credit, but I am going to read his name because he's a repeat offender. He's been our Thorne a few times. It's Ryan Stoneman.

And it says, I can't wait to listen to app brawbrose. podcast this week to review Beverly Hills and I bet they're going to defend Sutton and trash Kyle rolling eye emoji so here's why this is a thorn it's not that big a deal and if you listen to us Matt we try to stay neutral we try to go week to week it's fluid one week I'll be up on somebody down on somebody else we just go with the facts give me the evidence and I'm going to base my opinion off of that this guy continuously bashes our takes but always listens so like I even reached out I said like well thanks for listening least and he goes oh always so i don't know what his approaches i like it i think it's fine look

you can disagree with everything that we say as long as you're still listening that's fine it sounds like it's it's an outlet for him oh that's a good point we'll go with that better to use this as an outlet than other things that's a good point and my rose is this is a call back to last week judes because i got to learn all about henry kissinger last week because I didn't know about him. I know, and I know history and stuff. So I was a little bummed that I didn't get this reference from shoots, but this is a five-star review from L-E-H-B on Apple,

and it says, Rotten Hell Kissinger. It says, one star for Henry Kissinger, five stars for the bros, love your pod. So, fuck you, Henry Kissinger. We got full circle. We came back. I have to agree. Well, I said the shooter was doing current events.

He does that every once in a model, like, mix it up. He's like, yeah, Henry Kissinger died. cotton hill and I didn't know the background so I was like whoa oh yeah he goes oh you don't know and then he gave me the full run through so I'm up to speed now but uh yeah somebody said that we were laughing like bevis and butthead during that one probably another iconic duo yeah yeah exactly you're in you're being mentioned in the same breath as legends you guys that's it's really true well who's bevis and who's butthead uh oh matt first i'll be we don't even have time we don't have time to get into it yeah it's that's too deep of a conversation

We have so many shows to get there. So let's start out. And we are going to start out with Salt Lake. And as we know, the highlight of this season or the focal point of this season has been Monica and all of her stuff going on. And then we also have the drama with Angie. But we start out and Whitney and Justin are packing for their trip. And we get the run through of there's been drama between Lisa and Whitney with everything that happened at Meredith's party the other day. And she's just giving her side of things.

And I would love to know, Matt, like, where you stand on this? Are you, because the stuff that I've read with Lisa Barlow and people that are standing for her here, I don't really understand it. Because in this instance, when Whitney is upset because of what happened at that party, because she just lost her best friend to cancer and just want somebody to, she wants Lisa, her closest friend to just comfort her a little bit. And instead, she goes to Heather. Now, Lisa's big defense is that she's walking on eggshells.

do you think that that's the case or do you think she's so far up her own ass that she doesn't really have time to console her friend this is what i'm going to say and i think this might be a little controversial but lisa reminds me of some people that i know who are just a little bit a little bit not not like on the spectrum but just like a little bit like unable to tap into human emotion as easily as other people. And I think it actually makes Lisa uncomfortable. I think that Lisa can actually be very quick to anger because she's not comfortable dealing with every single emotion.

And when she does get emotional, it doesn't always make a lot of sense. I think that she's emotionally very different from a lot of these other women. I think that she's just made different. what we're seeing here before our very eyes are two people who speak completely different love languages and completely different emotional languages. Whitney is the kind of person who wants to talk it out, who wants big hugs, who wants eye contact, who wants all of that, who wants to go there. I think that makes Lisa feel really uncomfortable. And I think that Lisa probably was doing the best she could in her estimation, but obviously that was not what Whitney was looking

for. Someone like, someone like really any of the other women are going to be better at dealing with Whitney in this moment than Lisa, especially when, you know how sometimes you have that person in your life that won't give you what you need? And so you want it from them the most. It feels like all of the women treat Lisa like that. Like, they all want something from her that she can't really give and so it drives them kind of crazy and Whitney who's already in a bad place like less than a day after this girl has passed away tragically she's going to spin out and like act out in that regard because she doesn't know where to put all of her emotions and her feelings and what she really could say was like what she really

could say is like I am too sad to be here I am real I really shouldn't be here I'm going to go home I know it meant a lot to Meredith that she was there but ultimately her presence there was going to end badly the second she got an excuse because Lisa is never going to be able to give Whitney what she needs. They're just made differently. I don't think Lisa is comfortable in this arena. That's my opinion on it.

I don't necessarily think it's like a self-absorption. I think she just, this type of thing she doesn't do well with. That's fair. I still think she's very self-absorbed, but that could also be part of it. I think the whole walking on eggshells thing is complete bullshit because when have we seen anybody say that they're afraid of Whitney? Nobody's afraid of Whitney. Whitney's been an afterthought for three seasons.

Now all of a sudden you're afraid of Whitney and you don't want to walk around her and you're afraid to disturb her. That's bullshit. I don't think it's afraid of her. I think that the eggshell thing is a cop out, but I think it's more saying I'm walking on eggshells because I don't know if you're the type of person that wants to talk about it. Do you want me to come over and console you're just trying to brush it on the. the rug and get through this party. I don't think she's like afraid of like the wrath of Whitney because I think that goes more with what Matt's met though.

Yeah. Yeah, I think that goes with what Matt said then because even Lisa herself said, I don't know what to do in this situation. This makes me awkward. I think both things can be sure. I think that she is very self-absorbed, but I think that to Matt, we know that. Well, yeah, correct. But that's actually a really interesting take just because you see how she tries to, it's

almost like you can see her brain working in those. situations like what to say next and it's never the right thing a lot of times it doesn't even track it's not even the same topic and then she gets upset overwhelmed then she storms off like that's what happens in this interaction Whitney scored Lisa's crying and Lisa leaves so I actually like that take I think that she's frustrated I think that I think there's some frustration there because you see you saw what happened like as she was taking the mini the mic off she actually had a mini version of what happened when she had the hot mic moment moment and said that she was having a breakdown i think she was having a little bit of a panic

attack honestly because she learned to take the mic off though at least she learned to take the mic off this time i want to know what she was going to say if she left the mic on though we'd be more hot mic moments from her i think she could feel herself not being able to articulate or not being understood or not being heard or not being um uh seen in a positive light and i think she had a freak out which is what was happening there i think yeah I just feel bad for J.B. Husband boss again because this poor man just gets ignored every time because she's having a meltdown and like losing her shit and he's like, well, what happened? First of all, he goes, what happened this time? Like, what's wrong now? And as he's trying to comfort her, she just shuts the door and like walks in the other room and he's just left standing there as usual. Like, I'll just go fuck myself then. I think he seems like a very emotionally simple person, which is probably good with Lisa because Lisa is so fucking much and doesn't make a lot of sense. and so he's just like receiving it.

I think that's right on the nose. And I think he's perfectly happy being that guy. I don't, he doesn't seem like he's in a bad spot. I think he's just like, no, okay, this is my life now, whatever. Yeah. But let's get to the trip and we're headed down to, where are they going? I'm stuck on Jamaica because they're going to Bermuda.

Bermuda, my bad. They're going to Bermuda and they're headed to the hotel. and Meredith has taken one too many Xanax and had too many cocktails. So she is so whacked out, but it made for one of my favorite scenes with Meredith ever because they get to the house, which is gorgeous. It's this beautiful mansion in Bermuda.

And all she needs is a bathtub. She even makes that clear. Like somebody even asks in the Sprinter van. Yeah, Whitney even asked. It's a bathtub. Yeah. She doesn't get a bathtub. Everything goes.

One of my favorite Meredith's scenes ever is her getting glam in bed while getting an IV. Just trying to figure out what the fuck's going on. And I guess my question is if you guys were on this same trip and you knew one person needed a bathtub and we know Meredith needs a bathtub

because she likes to tow Seth's taint in the bathtub. Would you guys give up your room for Meredith in this same scenario? Need is an interesting word. That's the sheet.

She wants in a bathroom. She doesn't need a bathroom. This is not in Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Bath stuff does not figure in. But honestly, yeah, I probably would have given it up. But also, like, I don't have a skin in the game for drama purposes. I also think they knew exactly what would happen. What happened was it would get under her ass, and she'd be itching at it.

You know what I mean? Like, it's, and there we have it. Like, I just think they knew this was an easy way to get, under merit of the skin. I think it's not more deep than that. Yeah, I would agree. But just for the strength of the argument, I think I would have walked in. I would have seen what her view was because I'm a big view guy, not a big bathtub guy. And if it was similar, I probably would have switched. Yeah, but it's Meredith, so no, I wouldn't have switched. If it was you steal, I probably would have switched. You want to take a little soaking bath. I would switch with you every day.

That's bullshit. No, you wouldn't have. Why not? What do you mean? I'm a good friend. You're a great friend, but I don't think you'd give up a room. I think, no, my shit's already in there like, I'm not moving. That's true. My stuff's already there. You're right. Exactly. They bring a lot of stuff too.

It's not like a one duffel bag. They bring 16 bags. I know. And they're all packed like 100 pounds each. But the big scene here I want to talk about, we get a juxtapose scene between Whitney and Ange and Lisa and Heather. And they're all talking about what transpired at the party. But we get that scene with them.

And we got Lisa is defending herself and why she feels as though Whitney almost owes her an apology to Heather. And on the other side we get. Whitney talking to Angie about her side of things. My biggest thing here, it's not even about who's right and wrong in that scenario. We've already discussed that a little bit. My biggest issue with this whole thing is why is Heather clinging to Lisa now? Why is Heather thinking that everything Lisa is saying is gospel at this point?

Like, Shooter and I believe that she wants to hang out with the cool kid in the crowd. Last year it was Jen Shaw. She was trying to suck up to her, make sure that they were friends because that looks good on Heather. Now she's hanging out with the cool kids. she goes to prison now she's left to fend for herself and that was the best part is we get heather untethered by jen at the beginning of the season and we get those glimpses of heather that we all fell in love with early on she's funny she's got good one-liner she kind of stays out of the limelight but she's there and now we see her especially with the monica stuff

like she's so far up lisa's ass that it's starting to bug me a lot and i think we're losing heather to like just go full force for lisa but i'd love to get your take on it with these to it, the Lisa and Heather team that we're seeing right now. I think Heather's always had a thing with Lisa from the very beginning of the show. It's like I said earlier, it's like when someone doesn't give you what you want from them, you work harder. I think she's actually, even when she was upset about Lisa in the earlier seasons, it was always disproportionate from like what was actually happening.

Like for some reason, there is a jealousy thing and an envy thing. with Lisa. I don't really know what it is, but they want her approval very badly and they want her friendship very badly. And it was just odd to me the way that Heather acted in this episode because she was really willing to like throw her friendship with Whitney under the bus to get to even to even have a positive experience with Lisa. It wasn't even that big of a deal. She went out of her way to make things difficult for Lisa and Whitney, not because she wanted to say the truth, but because she wanted to cause discord in their relationship to solidify her and Lisa.

It was weird. It was really odd. Because it isn't out of the way that she praised it. You can feel how they're playing the game harder than anyone else. And it's the one thing about Heather than I'm like, come on, girl. Like, it's not everything she does make sense. And that's a theme from season to season. Yeah.

And honestly, like the biggest thing that we want from Heather is we see these little quips that she gives. And we see these little scenes where she is funny and she can be completely carefree in a certain situation. And when she locks into these like battles with other people, it's so hard to watch because we know what she's doing. She throws Whitney into the bus like once a season, at least, though. She thinks, I feel like she thinks, you know, we're cousins will always be able to get back at some point in time. but we're seeing a little bit of a different Whitney this year where she's standing up for herself. So I don't know if that's the same case anymore. It just sucks to see Heather doing this when we know she can be good as, yeah, she's not going to be like the HBIC.

She's not going to be standing in the middle with a snowflake every season, but she's going to be on the show. And she can give us a different aspect of the show where she can keep things light and free when nobody else is. Nobody else is fun. Like nobody's relatable. Everybody's just like so fucking out there. And none of their jokes are funny. They don't even get jokes half the time. Heather seems to get it most of the time, and she doesn't lean into that.

It's just so easy for her to do that, and she refuses to do it time and time again, and we're just done with being disappointed by Heather, I think. I think it's a good way to put it. But the way that she phrases things intentionally, like you said, Matt, to throw Whitney under the bus, because she always frames it as she's trying to help in some way, where she's like, oh, well, I heard you're having these great talks with Whitney, and it's making you become a better person. Like, Heather knows when you say that to Lisa Barlow, she's not going to be like, Oh, great. Yeah. Like, she's not going to hear it and go, you're right. Whitney has made me seen the light and now everything's okay. She's going to get pissed off. She's going to say, even if those conversations did happen. And I would imagine it goes back to your point of those being two very different individuals. They operate on a different wavelength between Lisa and Whitney. So I do genuinely think that when Whitney's having these conversations with Lisa, she's like, I am helping her become so much better.

She's getting more open. She's not being so self-absorbed. And it's all because of the things that I'm saying. Whereas I think that Lisa in those conversations is not listening to Whitney. She's waiting for Whitney to stop talking so that she can say what she wants to say, as we saw with them when Lisa was at her house and cussing in front of her son. I don't think that, well, go ahead. The timing doesn't make any sense because everybody now knows that Lisa and Whitney just had at it at the end of Meredith's party.

So why would Heather be sitting down now and saying, like, oh, I understand that you're, you're getting to be a better person because of Whitney after they just had a fight. She's only doing it for one reason. She's just stoking the fire. Correct. Yeah. And that's the funniest part is because it leads to Lisa then immediately being like, no one's having influence over me. I'm not changing for anybody. It's like, shit, you should. Well, yeah. I just don't believe that Whitney said it like that. Like, I don't believe that Whitney said to Heather, I am making Lisa a better person. Oh, no. I think that Heather is misconstruing it.

I think probably what Whitney might have said to Heather was, you know, since I've become friends with Lisa, I feel like she's, she's like a better person. Like, I feel like I know her more now. I get her more now. I feel like we can have conversations. The way that Heather's framing it is that Whitney, by virtue of being friends with her, is making Lisa a better person, which is like a crazy thing for Whitney to say. And therefore, I don't believe that she said it.

as much as I could definitely believe that Heather would misrepresent something to play a housewives game. Yeah. Because she we saw with the fucking milkshaking when Heather's pitched that insane game about who would you throw off the Oregon Trail

or whatever the fuck. I was like what is what are we doing here? And then we're all going to act surprised that one of them, the newest ones of the group, is freaking the fuck out. Like no. Like you did this on purpose. I'm under the firm belief that Bravo producers have these games ready to go

where they're like, hey, we're going to do this one today because we have to start a fight. Oh, yeah. These women are not clever enough to think of these on their own all the time. There's no way. Yeah, but here's what I would say, though. If that's true, and the producers are coming to you being like,

hey, let's play this game. If I'm Heather, I'm not the one leading the game. Because I know they're going to say this about me. Yeah. I don't think she's self-aware enough. Let's do it. I agree. That would be the smarter move.

I think she's super self-aware. I think she's super self-aware. I think she's on the whole cast. Oh, I do not think. I'm not questioning her intelligence. I think that. Oh. What I'm saying is more so,

I think that Heather in the moment during the show, especially while they're filming, I think she thinks she's making the right decision as far as gameplay goes. But I think that once the season ends and she watches it back, she's got to be like, damn. Like, that wasn't the best look.

Like playing that game. I think in the moment she's like, ooh, I'm going to throw this out there, stir the pot a little bit. And then when she watches it back, she's like, oh, I don't look great. That's my opinion on it. It's weird with her this year because I feel like she actually was crushing it the first half. And then she started to listen to her old ways now. I think I was so enjoying her without Jen that now, now that she's get back to her old ways a little bit of like being a housewife, capital H. I'm like, this is not, it doesn't, you don't do it naturally.

Yeah. I don't think that the issue with Heather isn't like the first comment that she makes nor is it the game that she started. It's how she acts afterwards. When Monica gets all upset, she immediately goes at Monica and says, why are you being upset?

This is just a game. Like, no, it's not. You know what you're doing. I don't really have any issues with her starting the game because we see this in every franchise. If it's not a game talking about what's the most recent thing that you've stuck up your vagina,

it's who would you throw off of the Oregon Trail. So it's, we're used to this over and over and over again. It's when she then backs up Lisa, who she was just having a feud with about the Mormon church and about Jack going away on mission, now all of a sudden she's back in her good graces, so she's going to defend her

until the ends of the world. I can't stand those games. I wish they would just let them have dinner. I know. I just don't think we need those games. There's enough there. There's definitely enough there. So much is there. Why do we have to ruin every dinner? I would, I think

that would be even more fascinating to watch at this point is a dinner that does not go off the rails, where they all have a nice time and cheers and then they're like all right have a good night ladies let's all leave and go our separate ways instead of oh let's blow this place up poor waiter standing there trying to get their drink order and they're yelling at each other and it's a disaster i would love to see one time or on the flip side they should do it where the confessionals during the dinner are just the staff at the restaurant for the interview like oh yeah that would be great and say like how are you doing

with all this and like wow like i've never seen this before But they get on the sprinter van to dinner. Yeah, you know, that'll be hysterical. Someone is arguing. I don't understand how they do it. And the best part, like, we saw it in Beverly Hills. We'll get there later. But, like, those dudes cooking the weed dinner, we got a lot more out of them on the side,

which was really funny because they're like, dude, Denise Richards is smashed. And the one guy's like, am I supposed to go out there while I was screaming? Yeah, it was good stuff on Vanderpump Rules too. Like, there was an episode of Vanderpump Rules. when I guess Carlton and Lisa Vanderpump were having a dinner at Sir and just like Stasi and like OG Katie like coming in and out like being so scared. Yeah, exactly. Like that I think we need more of those scenes. Then the dinners would be much more enjoyable.

But we're on the Sprinter van to dinner and that's where we get the resurgence of Meredith. She has risen from the dead. And do you think that she was actually that unwell or do you think that she saw an opportunity to milk this because she didn't get a bathtub and she's going to use the spinner van as her coliseum to bring vengeance back to the group this is a hard one i don't know i feel like yes she was she was not feeling well but she definitely if if it if it wasn't that she wouldn't have immediately made it about that you know what i mean like the second she gets in the sprinter van she's like let me ask you a question and i was just like okay well we know that you're leading

into a little bit. Oh, that's a baths up there. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just like, okay, so that's what this is about. Okay, for real. Great. I think there's a chance that maybe she just had

a little bit of a bad reaction to the sleeping pills, sleeping pills that she had on the plane and the cocktails. And then she kept saying she was cold. I guess I believe her there. I don't really know. I feel like she's going to take any opportunity to place something up if she wants to.

She just didn't feel like being around. But you know what? I think it was she didn't feel well enough to be around the whole crew and film the whole day. So she just wanted to go take a little nap. I think once the medic, the mobile medic shows up, then it's like, all right, what the fuck's going on here? We got a mobile medic coming in. We've got the makeup artist coming in to do your makeup in bed before you get out of bed. None of it really made any sense to me. But she seemed fine during the conversation with Monica. So, yeah, she was definitely playing it up. Those IV drips are miracles, though. They really are.

See, I got sober before that became like a cool thing to do. I would love to know the effects of getting an IV drip after. Yeah, she had a mid-day hangover. That's what happens. That's all it was. That's what all I saw in that scene and her not going to pick a room when everyone was dashing for rooms. I was like, this is calculated. I don't care if she is, you can't see straight right now.

She's using this. She's going to stand here and wait because she knows she's not going to get a bathtub. And now she's going to bitch about not having a bathtub, even though she was more than capable of walking around the house and finding a tub. I'm not falling for any of this shit. But we get to dinner. Ask someone to use their tub, you know what I mean? Like, they probably would watch. I mean, like, just ask.

Hey, can I soak in your tub for two hours? Sure, go for it. But I do want to get your take because on the bus or the spinner van there, we do get a conversation between Angie and Meredith again. And I would love to get your take on the whole situation between those two, just as far as, you know, Angie's still upset because of Meredith stirring up the rumors. Now, Meredith does this. This is her M.O.

She doesn't actually say the rumor. She tease it up so that somebody else says it for her so that she can kind of walk away from the damage. But by her implying, I can ruin her family. I can ruin this. And then using the scapegoat of anybody can technically ruin anybody's family. Are you team Angie or you team Meredith? Are you team nobody?

I will say that Angie has grown on me a lot this season. Most improved of all time. Definitely. Yeah, I would say that. that beginning of the season, I thought she was very clumsy. The spread your legs thing about Meredith, like just the way that she delivered all that,

like, wasn't great. Like, of course I appreciate her crashing the Trixie Motel, Palm Springs trip, because then we got Meredith at her most iconic in that third episode, All Tricks, No Trust. Hives, yes.

But dozens. Houses. Yeah, no, that was incredible. I would say as of this moment, so just to speak about what the rumors are about Angie's husband, Sean, I think that even if it is true, these people are, they clearly have, whatever they're doing has. Goodbye, summer movies, hello fall. I'm Anthony Devaney. And I'm his twin brother, James.

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in front of everyone being like now that these rumors are both out there let's just say it like which one is the one that you heard so that we can talk about whether it's real or not like let's have a direct conversation and then Meredith would probably excuse herself and you know act like she didn't know anything about it but at least then Meredith would be confronted about it because right now what we're doing is we're confronting her about spreading vague rumors but we're not actually saying what it is like you have to actually ask her about these things. things and then she can't be like no or yeah like she she has to answer for it like she just but when you say like this you're spreading rumors it's like yeah i mean probably not more than anyone

else what exactly are you talking about like i think that sometimes these housewives have like a fear of getting specific because they don't want to be the one that's caught in the sound bite you know what i mean i feel like sutton later very much doing that on beverly hills and um It's frustrating because, like, let's actually say what we're talking about. Like, has, has, has everyone on this cast heard all around that Sean is gay and fucks people, fucks guys in Salt Lake? Has people heard that they've had an arrangement? Or have they heard that their Greek mob and their money is like tied up in the mafia?

Like, what is it? It can't be all these things. It could be both. Maybe it could be. You don't know that. If it's both, then Slay, let's talk about it. I'm just like, I just, the vagueness of the rumors and nastiness is too much for me at this point. say what you mean someone yeah you're never going to get that no you need a garcel on every show

that's going to just say it like we don't have that on every show or someone's going to be like this is what we're talking about and i think with meredith like shooter do you even think that she would say it even if you confronted her and said is this rumor true is this i think that i think that she's running that ghost instagram account that keeps deemming people that's what we're going to get to and we can i fully i fully believe that it's just her doing it so yeah i think that she's she probably takes every rumor that she hears as long as it's not about her or somebody that she likes completely true and then she runs with it and i think that that's been something that she's been working on for years and years and now she's just manifesting it let's talk about

that you already talked about the lisa and whitney thing that's what blows up at dinner i agree with you i think that her reaction they're going over yeah so here's why so they're chit-chatting about the DM at the end of the episode. Like, oh, you know, you got that crazy DM. I got that crazy DM. I got all these other ones out to the fact. And Meredith, now she's playing coy, I don't know what you're talking about. Yep. I just, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm behind on my DMs. I'm behind on my DMs. I'm behind on that. I'm sure so many people are DMing you. You're not behind. You're not, you're not ever going to get up on your DMs. I got to catch up on my correspondence. Yeah, dude. She wants, she likes to say things that make it seem.

You know, like she occupies a higher echelon. We know that. She does. But at the same time, like, I don't think that's an upper echelon thing. I think that's a Meredith, like, let's just play this game real quick, where what if she is this evil mastermind behind the scenes where she plays aloof and plays like she doesn't want to get involved with certain things. But meanwhile, she's sending little DMs on the side from a burner account.

I could see that, especially if it's about something. She's the one that alluded to the rumors, right? she said well we had the gen shaw exposed account before right yeah but we that was she knows that wasn't i sorry angi k angi 8 angi 8 but now she knows that that that's a way to do things that's a way to get information out there i think she i don't think no mad that you're not going in trouble there's no way there's i don't think there's any way that meredith is on dm with a burner account dming i don't know i just don't know i don't know it would help her podcast Look, that gets the numbs up.

We have to see a goddamn Meredith Mark's cookie every fucking show now where she pulls it out of a bag. It's cute, right? And then there's like the caveat. If you pull out of Meredith Mark's cookie. Do you have one? Stop it. You have her sleep mask. Yes.

And let me tell you something. These are a godsend. I swear to God I sleep better. And they're satin too. They're so silky. People think that I'm not. People think that I'm not for real when it comes to me buying every Housewives product. I'm wearing Brooks Mark's pants right now.

They're incredible. And I have these Meredith Mark sleepers. All right. Maybe I'll recant my statement about Meredith Bindens and that I can get some stuff. I can't stand for this. Simply because of this, I get on a soapbox every week about how annoying it is that she has to market. every scene, and you just marketed Meredith Marks on our podcast.

And I'm literally endorsing. Yeah, I can't fight that. But I guess to sum it up, before we move on to Beverly Hills, you don't think that she has anything to do, even if it's she knew about maybe she knows the person sending the DMs. You think she's completely absolved from this? I think that Meredith, I honestly think okay so I'll just say in terms of the Sean is gay stuff I just don't buy that from Meredith because Meredith is such a glad girlie like she's like shows up a lot for the gay community like I've met her at pride events I like Meredith I just don't think that she's the kind of person who's made of the stuff that says your husband's a gay guy like and is cheating on you with gay men I just

it doesn't sit right in my spirit if i find out that that's true i'll be really disappointed but i just don't think that's true do i believe that she knows rumors about angie's husband yeah i just don't think they're that he's gay i don't think she go there i think she looks for specific evidence in her dms like why why is she even clicking on that dm of all dms why is she even reading that one she's got to get thousands and thousands of dms a week when the show is running. There's no way that she's just going through. She's word searching specific people on the cast looking for rumors and trying to nail down. You think Meredith is that duplicitous. You do. Yes. Yes, I do. I mean, I know she forgot to hit record on the podcast, but other than that,

you know, maybe she's just playing the game. You know, what I'll say is that hurt people, hurt people, and she has been hurt a lot by these DMs. I'll say, like, like, when they were attacking Brooks, like when they were like her family has been like truly fucked up by these types of things and so maybe she feels like she's justified in doing it back i just don't think so so you think that originally when she brought up the rumors on the first trip to the trixie motel you think that she was alluding to the mafia stuff and then monica just said the gay rumor instead i think so okay all right i didn't i think monica is the type of person to be like your husband's gay no yeah monica has been a roller coaster for me this season because in the beginning i was

like all for it and i thought she was great for the show and like the more that's coming out with the beauty lab stuff and then the way that she's operating on the show i'm starting to lean towards she's much more manipulative than i than i had previously thought i was like team monica early on and now i'm like hey i don't know he's aligning herself with mary and meredith like what an interesting crew to align yourself with as a newbie. Yeah. Don't do that. I think that there's more to Monica than meets the eye.

And I have a feeling that, I have a feeling that, well, because you know that at Bravo Khan, like, Heather and Monica are now in such a bad place that they couldn't even be around each other. So, and then for them to be first chair at the reunion, like, I don't think. it's just a lawsuit thing. Like that doesn't just come out of nowhere. Something has to have gone down in the next two episodes. Yeah, well, we get that.

And for Heather to, like, feel this strongly, it has to be a major betrayal or, like, conduct issue. I just feel like we're about to get hit by a sledgehammer with Monica, I feel. Well, we do get that scene from later in the season where it's like the most dramatic, like oh my god and like everything stops and they said that is not about the lawsuit they've made that very clear so maybe she slept with heather's ex-husband or something oh or her brother yeah who knows or her brother does she have a brother who knows maybe she doesn't matter they've all got brothers in this state that's a good point yeah they're Mormons they've got a brother

yeah we just soaked we didn't even have mommy sisters brother husbands grand step grandfathers. Yeah, you can marry anybody. Yeah, it's fine. No, it's not. It's religion, baby. But moving on from that, we get to Beverly Hills. And I'm enjoying this season.

Shooters so, so on the season. How are you liking this season thus far? I love it. These are my favorite ladies. You want to know why it's because I like watching them all individually as well as a unit. Yeah, that's good. I think they're all like. they all have star quality in a way that I think I can't say for every other franchise.

So I do, and I, I think that whenever, whenever Kyle is the focus of a season, I think it's a good thing because I do think that Kyle is the protagonist of the show. And I think that people that have been watching from the beginning, like have the most invested in her, whether you quote unquote like her or not, or whether you, um, agree or disagree with the way that she does things. She is the lead of the show in the center of the show. And so I just feel like when the conflict surrounds her, it feels the most high stakes. I think that's a good take. Yeah. Whether you side or the thing with me, when we started Beverly Hills, I loved Kyle. I had a crush on Kyle.

She was my favorite by far. And then after last season, I did not like what I saw at all, completely flipped. This season, and we talked about it on our show last week, I'm in this weird middle ground now. or in the beginning I was like out on her again and now as I'm watching her go through this phase in her life I'm trying to be a little more sympathetic to it because you don't make all these drastic changes unless something seriously going on in your life and you know you can point to the exercise and the not drinking and all these things that are positive you know healthy moves but you know especially somebody that is I'm five years sober now and like going through rehab

and they teach you these things, like certain things replace the booze. And a lot of people, when we talk about this in our comments are like, well, she was never an alcoholic. And, you know, first and foremost, it's not for anybody to say who is or who isn't. But secondly, just because you're not a full-blown alcoholic doesn't mean you don't have a bad relationship with alcohol. And she's made it very clear, if I have two glasses of wine, I'm going to wake up depressed. And that leads us into this episode where it's like, I don't want to be depressed right now. So clearly, she's in a place with so much going on, whether, it's Mo-centric or their friend committing suicide or Kathy icing her out, like those are

major life changes all happening at once. So I'm trying to watch this season now from a lens of, okay, has she been acting erratic? Yeah. And has she been an asshole? A lot of the time, yeah, but why? I'm trying to give her some grace to sort of see it play out this year because I think that especially in this world that we all live in with the Bravoverse, People are so quick to assume and judge and make their statement and drag people. And at the end of the day, a lot of people forget this is real life. Like, these are real people. So I'm trying to not be as brash and as, you know, jump to conclusions with it.

I want to see it play out and see like, okay, yeah, she's still married, but did Mo cheat a thousand times? Because that's the rumor. And maybe she got fed up and now she's doing her own thing. Can you really fault her for that? And people are trying to. But I would love to know, like, your take on. Like, how do you think, or what do you think is going on with her and how she's functioning so far? I'll just say, and first of all, God forbid this ever happened.

But if my best friend had ever committed suicide, I would be way worse than her. And I feel like that is something that is not, A, getting the play on the show, and B, is being remembered by the audience. This woman lost her lifelong best friend to something that can. never be explained and can never be truly understood by people that aren't suffering with you know suicidal ideation or understand what that is like and so that is such a trauma that I think when you experience it it's like it's almost like the Lisa and Whitney thing you look to people to give you what you need and even when someone is really close to you they might not be able to do that. And Kyle recently posted on her stories like,

I do think Mo tried to be there for me, but I don't know that anyone knew how. And I think that what she was really scared about was this person who seemed well to her that she lived her whole life with all of a sudden did this. She's disconnected from her family. She's got her husband, but her kids are older now. They're not just in the house all the time. She doesn't have this to preoccupy with herself constantly. She, I think, had a really tough season on the show. It came back. She noticed that alcohol was something that wasn't making her feel good anymore.

She met someone new. Whether that's a romantic or not, we don't know. But that's also a change and we'll fuck with your head when you're married to someone else. Also, never mind that this person is of the same sex as her. There's a lot going on. And I just feel like all of that together, she's actually done a pretty good job of showing up for the show. Like, she was having fun in Vegas. I really didn't like the way the other women were like, we missed the old Kyle. We missed the old Kyle. If someone not drinking is a

problem for you, that's a problem for you. Like, and to constantly make it about that is like, really bizarre, like, as if our society isn't obsessed enough with alcohol. Now you're going to make it a plot point on the show that something's wrong with her because she's not drinking. That's super, super weird to me. And I feel like... that's like really bizarre to me and I feel like it's not getting called out enough because I feel like it's fun to be team Sutton you know what I'm saying I feel like it's the cool thing now to be team Sutton all the way and like because Kyle had a rough season last year and I agree with you she was not making the moves correctly I think we sort of are like all

team Sutton go Sutton yeah get her to say the thing but this is a woman who's not in a good part of her life. Also to talk about this idea of Kyle doesn't like to share personal stuff, shut up. She's been on the show for 13 years. She showed the rise and fall of her sisters and her relationship for years. She was on camera outing her sister's alcoholism and then I had to deal with that. We watched her kids grow up. Like over the years, we've seen her like be a total bitch on the show and then be totally victimized on the show gain friends lose friends like put herself in the middle of things like she's the lead of the show you might not like kyle you might not like the things she does but she hasn't shared this part of her personal life until now because there's

nothing been really wrong in her personal life until now with mo now her and no we're having problems new things are arising they're both changing when she said that thing about how mauricio still likes to be out late at night and like work for his business business and she likes to be home. She's in her 50s. She's sober. She's, you know, she's in a different place in her life. She wants to wake up in the morning and go out. Even me in my 30s. Like, I'm becoming someone who likes to go to bed earlier. I like to wake up earlier now. You know what I mean? Like you change over time. But there's this like need for it to be a sinister thing with Kyle that I'm not getting from it right now. And I also think Sutton really gets let off the hook because

she's fun and funny and because Garcel is her ally. And I think everyone feels like to be like fuck got Sutton and Garcell right now is like not a cool thing. But honestly, I'm watching the show and like, I think Sutton and Garcell are being too much. That's, that's personally how I feel. I think that's fair, honestly. And I think that the overlaying issue that goes in with this season is it's more of a frustration level. And like something for me is just I'm a little frustrated because I'm foreseeing the future of this show and I'm looking at the rest of the season like okay we've got another what are we on episode seven so we've got another 18 to 19 episodes left in this season where are we going to get like so far it looks like we're not going to get anything out of kyle and

look i get it i understand the personal issues you got to remember that they're actual people too but i'm worried that the show the narrative of everything is going to just be circling kyle and trying to get something out of her instead of even just trying to get a little bit of an escape to a different reality, a little bit of an escape to a different storyline with somebody else. They're just going to focus in and hone in so much on that that it's going to just play itself out within a couple episodes, and we're going to be tired of it. And I hold Beverly Hills to a much higher standard than any of the other shows on this network just because I know how great it can be.

These other ones, like, yeah, Miami's a nice fun show because, look, there could be a good storyline and maybe some of the girls are fun, but there's nothing really there like there is for Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills, you could have a one-on-one scene with any of them, like you said, Matt, any single one of them could be a star. And you can get into their storyline and really enjoy it. I'm worried that we're going to do what we've been doing with Beverly Hills for the last two, three years and with a couple of the other shows and just get stuck on one thing and get

absolutely nothing out of it. Because look, it's Kyle's prerogative. If she doesn't want to answer any questions and she doesn't want to go too deep because she can't handle it because she's got 15 different things going on right now, that's fine. From a real perspective, that's completely fine. But from a show entertainment value perspective, I don't want to watch it. talk about it or don't but then move the fuck on and I'm talking to the producers too if she's not going to talk about it move the fuck on to something else and let Kyle be

that's all I want from you I need something that's going to be entertaining and not something in you know 12 weeks when Steele and I are sitting down we're like upset that we have to even talk about Beverly Hills anymore because we're just done with it so you're upset with Sutton and don't want to admit it me yeah oh no I'm not upset with Sutton at all You are upset with Sutton because what you're describing is a Sutton problem because the reason why we're at dinner doing this bullshit of Kyle, what are you not saying, Kyle? No, what are you not saying Sutton? Say it. Why does Garsell have to say it for you? Sutton is the one who's pulling Kyle into the room to get her to say something, but then Sutton can't say what it is. Meanwhile, on the side, Kyle is holding hands with Morgan Wayne getting tattoos. Are you not entertained? That scene was. everything. That scene was so bad for me. I was the most

creepy. Are you kidding me? I was so, that fucked me up so much. I did not like watching that at all. He really didn't. That was creepy. It was creepy. It was creepy. I didn't think it was creepy. Oh, yeah. This 50 year old woman is sliding in my

DMs and stalking me and everybody's like, wow, good for you, Kyle. This is so much fun. I hope you're having a great time. It's like, no, that's fucking weird, man. I thought it, my only the only issue, Morgan. The only issue I have with that scene is if you're playing up this to be a really good friendship, to me, tattooing somebody's body is a very intimate thing. Like if it's two people that know each other, like if it's a tattoo artist, whatever.

But if it's somebody that you are close with and you allow them to permanently mark your body, that's a much bigger statement than just, oh, I'm going to do a fun little tattoo of my friend. That was my only thing with that. it wasn't even so much of an issue with it more so of the implication where it's like if you guys are trying to paint the picture that this is not romantic that's a hard sell when you are inking her body that's a very different thing than oh let's go get a cute tattoo together it's oh let me tattoo you myself here's what I'll say I want to see Mauricio at this reunion I think he deserve Mauricio at the reunion I want to know I want Andy to say how

did you feel when you watched the scene with him and Morgan? I think that we need that. We do. We definitely need that. I agree with that. I don't think he'll get on, though. I mean, he went on dancing with the stars. The man isn't afraid to tell us. That's a good point. That's a really good point. I think that if he has any

care for his marriage and actually wants it to continue, he will show up at the reunion. I think if he does not, it speaks volumes to where him and Kyle stand. That's what I think. but I do want to talk about we're going to kind of mishmatch or mishmash the episode together. But while they're at dinner and obviously the Kyle and Sutton stuff, let's get into the actual fight itself because where I'm sitting. And again, I'm trying to play neutral ground here. And we do like Sutton on this show, but we also call everybody out when they deserve to be called out.

I don't have an issue with her trying to get info out of Kyle the same way I don't have an issue with Kyle going back at Sutton, like what's going on with you. you. My problem is there's too much evidence, Kyle, for you to not address it. I'm not saying she hasn't done her job in the past. Like I said, she was one of my favorites for a long time. But we have all this stuff. It's right in our face. Even Dorit knows about it. And she's pretending like she doesn't know what's going on. Like they haven't talked about it, even though she definitely knows what's going on, but whatever. When it's all in our face, the audience and we're seeing, you know, pictures on Instagram, the wedding band change. And she's like, it's just a, piece of jewelry. It's like it is just a piece of jewelry until we now know you guys are separated.

So clearly you were making a statement by changing rings. So there is merit to that. There is merit to you hanging out with Morgan Wade. All of these things hold weight. So instead of playing this game where we're dancing around the subject, Sutton included, why don't we just get to the bottom of it? Like you said, somebody call it out. Okay, Garcel called it out. Even when it's called out, there's still more dance around. And then when you get Kyle one-on-one with an Erica Jane or somebody she's not feuding with, she is the one that says, because Erica's like, I don't think anything's wrong with your marriage. Kyle's like, no, there is something wrong. Like, no, it's, I already said it's not great. What do you want for me? What we want from you,

Kyle, is to talk about it. Okay, just give us something, or we're going to continue to speculate, and maybe she doesn't care. Maybe that's the bottom line. I don't give a shit. Speculate all you want. I know what's going on with me, but at the same time, would it not be beneficial to her? And I know if you're in the throes of all this, you're not going to make the most conscious decisions of what's best for you at the time. But at the same time, if you do err out your grievances or get it out there, even if it's one on a moment to read, even if it's off fucking camera, but you have to address it. You can't keep teasing us with this. Then Sutton's coming on on the other side of the table and like what's going on with her. And we don't get answers to that. But instead,

we end up getting like hate fights where people are saying really bad things and calling out eating disorders, calling out alcoholism, calling out all of these, like, taboo things that we're not supposed to say about other people. It's now fair game because both parties refuse to talk about what the fuck's going on. All I want to know, what's going on with either of you, but people need to talk. I don't think it's fair for us, the audience, to sit there and watch them just do this game where they're just going back and forth, but not diving in. Yeah, I think this is a sudden problem. I do, and I love them too, but I do think it's a sudden problem. And I trust me, I'm not some like Kyle Stan.

Like I've had a love-hate relationship with Kyle too on the show, but Kyle every single time she's quote unquote tried to talk I mean Sutton every single time she's quote unquote tried to talk to Kyle she does it in like a condescending way. She doesn't seem well

you know what I mean? Like she has been kind of off the rail several times that scene where Kyle went over to Sutton's house there was a huge tub of a cocktail in front of her. She had she didn't seem right like she just didn't and then she did that insane impression of erika and it became about a million things and then at the weed dinner something was cross-fated as

fuck and wasn't going about that in the right way and i'm sorry but if you want people to talk you have to ask direct questions and she wasn't doing that for such a long time that garcel ultimately had to like inelegantly blurted out because that's where we got ourselves, and now here's Kyle upset about the fact that it was blurted out by Carcel. But if you want an answer to a question, you do have to ask a direct one.

Do you think she would answer if you asked her directly, though? Because I don't think she would. We will never know unless we try. That's a good point. To quote you, Matt, to quote you on Seth Myers, think politically, right? That's what you're supposed to do. Think politically. My thing is just like, if it doesn't

seem like Sutton has pure intentions while doing this. And I don't know that she doesn't have pure intentions, but it doesn't seem like that. I think Coyle wishes that Kyle was her friend and now she's realizing she's not really her friend and that's what she's doing. That was my counter is this

her. It's bizarre, but my whole thing, watching them interact with each other over the years, I always feel like Kyle's talking down to her. I've never really seen them in a scene together where I'm like, oh, Kyle loves this person. It's more so like, oh, I have to deal with this person. So is this Sutton's way of getting back at her now that, all right, we've finally got a

bunch of shit to talk about on Kyle this season. I'm going to put the limelight on her. I'm going to get back at you and put your feet to the fire because you've always treated me like shit. And we're seeing Sutton kind of see instances this season specifically where it's like maybe me and Kyle aren't that close. She even says it at this dinner. Maybe we're not as close to friends as I thought we were. And Kyle doesn't seem to be bothered by that at all. So is this Sutton's way of like taking and jabs back. But it could be the Erica Jane taking a step back and no Rina aspect. There's no bully in the middle that can stop Sutton.

Kyle just goes back at Sutton and then we're finally getting this head budding match, which sucks a lot. Because you can't, I have no idea what either of them are saying at any given time. Kyle's rambling on about something and not answering to her questions. Sutton is doing, God knows what the fuck she's talking about. I have no idea. It was pretty sick when she lit up that joint at the dinner, though. I'll give her that.

She looked pretty cool. No, I mean, look, it's hilarious. like there's so much to love about Sutton it's just that like I don't understand how Sutton thinks she is the right person to get this out of Kyle clearly that's not the case that's never going to do I don't think anybody else will no yeah and I but I also think like then then I don't know if Sutton is going to be the person that's going to be signed this test then she has to be good at it and she's not she is not she does not

know how to ask questions yeah she's a little clumsy I often feel like like a lot of times throughout this episode like i'll tell you what really was too much was sudden being like you've already lost two sisters do you want to lose another it's just like i don't know and i i thought at that point i was like no one's going to say anything to her now remember we're in kyle's home like what's going on yeah i don't know i didn't like that at all i thought that was fucked up obviously but again then to me it gets so hard with this show because of the hypocrisy there's always anytime we get a new feud people take a new stance what they have not done in the past i mean you could say the same thing her going after sutton about her drinking for three episodes

kyle but then you look back last year when erika was going through it and she was getting drunk all the time kyle said we can't talk about that that's we can't talk about erika having a drinking problem but sutton we can put her on blast for a drinking problem right so like when we get down into the nitty gritty you know what i mean so it gets tough for me to i try to to see these arguments without bringing the past into it just because if you do, I think you get lost because you could, at any point when these women are trying to defend themselves or call somebody out for doing something, they themselves have probably done it at some point during the show. But I think with these two, I don't know, at the end of the day, I'm not on a side. I think that this has been boiling over for a long time. No, I'm Switzerland, maybe.

but I think it's been boiling over for them to get to this place I have been waiting for Sutton to realize Kyle's not really her friend yeah like the amount of times that Kyle was thrown Sutton under the bus it's just like I wish it would I wish that if she was going to vindicate herself

she actually would instead of like fumbling the ball this much she's fumbling the ball so much and I will say like as much as as heroic as Sutton can sometimes be she she's such a full in equal measure, which is what I think makes her such a great housewife because I do think she's an authentic person. But to see her leading the charge here is like it's, it's

yeah, it's not clean. Yeah, it's not the person that I would pick. But I think that it's going to make for look, it's going to make for good TV watching her like try to step away through this and watching Kyle try to defend it. But I do need to ask, what are your thoughts about Anna Marie, the new housewife because I'm not a huge fan and I think she needs to take herself out of Kyle's butt. But what's your take? How are you feeling about the newbie? I'm trying to reconcile her on the show right now

with what I've found out about like the allegations against her husband and what I've heard are pretty transphobic comments. Oh, I didn't see those. Yeah, apparently she had a lot to say about Gabrielle Union and Dwayne Wade's. kid um i just feel like uh yeah i mean on face value i get her for the show as a friend of kiles especially with kyle's new lifestyle um

we'll see i i don't know i mean she seems to have a bubbly outgoing personality um i think that you're being very bc right now is an interesting choice like which is what happens later in the season and marie says that thing like i made you relevant It's like we don't know who you are, Boo. How are you making Crystal relevant? Also, why are they introducing? If someone would activate Crystal, I don't think it'll be her. No, it's definitely not going to be her.

But why are we introducing a new housewife in like episode seven? Like we had some shit to get through and now we're just going to throw her out there. I don't think she's going to play a big part in this season at all. And based on what I saw, I agree with Steele. I think she does need to remove herself from Kyle's ass. The whole conversation, like she's not a physiologist and she's talking about Sutton's esophagus. problem as if it's a completely made up thing. Look, maybe Sutton might be blowing it up a little bit and acting a little bit,

but it's a real thing and you're in the medical profession. You should understand what's going on. And she had looked like she had no idea and she was just a yes man to Kyle. So I hope that doesn't continue because right now, right now Kyle needs that. Yeah, she wanted to say the word shvincter for sure. I think she wanted to get on TV and say the word shvincter because it would be funny. That's what I think. Probably.

We got an email from one of our listeners that said, the subject was small esophaguses are a real thing and she has this disorder where she can't swallow so she was very upset and then you see anna marie on tv who's a medical professional which is alarming saying that that's not a thing you choose strawberries and swallow them i was like how is that your diagnosis that's not medical at all like no i don't know i'm not a fan of hers i don't think she's great for the show at all but i mean hey if maybe it's simply because i don't think they needed a new person like you don't need somebody to step in right now you just leave them alone see what the show is without renna you've got a new erika jane who is just having a great time

which i'm having a great time watching her and now you just throw somebody else in that like we don't need that because kyle's going to lean on her to be a yes man the whole time and we're not going to get any authentic stuff out of her i don't think yeah i agree i don't understand them adding a new neither it feels weird but speaking of new not new but coming back to the show let's talk about Denise because she looks great she looks like she's doing

really well so let's discuss which day which time is that the first time she was even when she was normal at the lunch I didn't think she was firing all cylinders but when she was at the house I don't know what she was doing before that party

but my God I felt uncomfortable watching it honestly I'm gonna say it was ketamine. I think she was on ketamine. It looked like she was having like some weird out of body experience and just fucking out there and she had no idea where she was.

That's the only thing. Or maybe she was about asking. I've done ketamine enough that I know that like it goes away. Like it and she was like that throughout. Like I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. It felt like pills to me. It felt like maybe she took like

like maybe like maybe she had like a Xanax. and then drank and then had the weed, too. Like, I just feel like, you have to remember, like, she's coming in. The last time she was around these women a lot, they were really, like, dogs with a bone about the brandy stuff, which I don't think happened. I really don't. Oh, really?

You don't? I couldn't believe Denise about that. Yeah, I do. I just think that, like, she might have been nervous and, like, overcorrected in terms of her preparation for the event, let's call it. And it got there and was, like, a little too lubricated socially. and um you know i think that especially when dorit was like your jacket's upside down she was like don't do this i know what you're doing don't do this she was and also the way she broke the fourth

wall right away like she's coming in hyper aware of the cameras which makes me feel like maybe she over prepared in terms of substances and thought she could get away with it because everyone was going to be high but it just felt weird yeah she didn't even eat the weed there she got zero milgrams. Smart. Good move. I don't want to see. I kind of want to see what she would have been like if she had a little in there,

maybe a little fiber. She would have been asleep. She would have been incoher. Her Dorit's one. That one gram of THC is really going to get you going. But anyway, let's move on and finish this up. The one gram thing, I was like, you guys, come on. If we're going to do this, let's do this.

Yeah. Like, what is one gram going to do? Nothing. I was like, you guys are so lame. especially when they're sitting there talking about how high they are like i'm feeling it i was like no you're not you nerds no one's feeling it give me a 20 or a 30 in there and then we'll talk but yeah did cynthia have five i think someone had five cynthia yeah i think i think i think ira had 10 i want to say her she would be 10 yeah yeah but she was having a great time by the way

if you gave me a list and told me pick how much t hc each one's going to have i think i could have gotten it close i'm pretty sure i would have picked to read it like one or two there's no way she's going more than that yeah erika would have been the highest how it actually works yeah that's right i'll take one t hc please just just one weed thank you so much yeah just give me one weed um but the last thing i want to talk about before we move on to miami is just the derit and pk conversation because i think that we are seeing in real time this relationship unravel so to speak and i think that For me, the confessionals are actually how Doreet feels. And then when we get to the interaction with P.K., it's always lovey-dovey.

Like, it just seems so faked. It doesn't seem real. And I think the underlying issue of all of their relationship trauma is the break-in and the lasting PTSD that Dorett's having with this whole thing and not feeling comfortable sitting here gets to school. Do you feel the same? Is this a long time? coming and like on TV are we getting an overproduced relationship between these two and behind

closed doors it's it's maybe not wildly different but a different scene i think it's similar to the kaila maricio stuff where durit has been through a trauma that her husband now doesn't really know how to handle it and um i think even if he tries his best he's going to be frustrated it and I think P.K. is kind of a diva. And I think when he's not getting his way or if he's not like understanding something, he's going to be like stubborn and a little bit of a brat about it. I think they're both kind of brats. And I think they're both stomping their feet at each other right now. I think that she needs to let her kids go back to school. And I think she kind of told on herself by being like, you have no idea what that was like. Like my kids' lives ended

in front of me. I had a moment where that really happened. and like she's kind of telling on herself and I think that PK is probably not the person to talk sense into her. I think he can say what he feels and then he can be like we need to speak to someone else about this like a therapist or like, you know, we need to go into a school and ask what they can do because I feel strongly our kids get socialized and you do have a vested interest in them staying home that might not be healthy. because even you know you've been through something severely traumatic.

So I do agree with him that the kids should go back to school, but I understand where she's at. I just think it's frustrating because they're going to end up taking it out on each other when I think they're both to be understood but can't understand each other. I hate to see it, but I just wish that they would get the situation mediated. did. Yeah, I think that would make sense. And I agree with Steele.

I feel like we're kind of watching the downfall of their relationship on TV, which is rough to even watch. But I don't even want to take away from what Doreet's going through because we talked about it before. It's tough when we watch these episode to episode because it feels like so much time has elapsed since that break in. And we even did it last year. We were tired of hearing about it in like 12th or 13th episode when in reality it was

like two weeks, three weeks. So like she's obviously all right to do that. but it's tough to watch P.K. belittle it and not even show her any sort of care. And look, maybe off camera for the last year and a half, he's been sitting there and he's been trying his hardest. But it just doesn't seem like he's trying at all anymore. And he's just kind of resting on the laurels of, well, you know, we've got these kids and we've got to make sure that they go back to school. And then obviously I overheard your conversation about one of them going to college and you're going to be there and you're not getting married because mommy's going to be living on campus. All of that actually resonates with me for Doreet. That is a huge Doreet thing. and I see that through and through. It's just tough to watch them not be on the same page and try to fake it with this lovey-dovey bullshit calling it every pet name in the book. I don't really want to watch it,

but I do think what they're doing, yeah, bubblish. And I think that what they're doing is, and PK, PK's super aware of this, which already knows this is, you already know this is what's going on. He knows what's going on with Kyle and Moe. So they're looking at it like,

oh, our relationship's not that bad. But in reality, it's just as bad. It's just in a completely different way. and I feel like they're completely just ignorant to the fact that we're watching this like this doesn't look good guys and now obviously we know what we know and they're doing what they're doing but it's it's just tough to watch on TV every week yeah and I think that a big oh go ahead Matt go ahead no I mean I don't now thinking about the pretty woman dinner and I'm like yeah dude that whole thing what I said to shooter when that happened that was not a romantic gesture

that was a fetish by P.K. That he wanted to play out in real time. So he put that off. That had nothing to do with the reason. That was his like, yeah. Yeah, I'm going to dress more wipe up as a hooker and go down to Beverly Hills

Hotel and have a run through. Like that's all that was. She didn't even know the movie when it was brought up. She had to, she guessed like three other different movies from the 80s. So yeah. Yeah, but who would guess that?

Like, who would be like, Oh, you have me playing a hooker? Okay, sick. Prostitute scenario. Like, I know Julia Roberts is America's sweetheart. but the movie is what it's about like you know what I'm saying like that whole thing was crazy to me

but I think again like when you get to the confessional when she says things like you don't know what it's like day to day like what these kids need and this and then I'm like that's real that's you actually venting like my husband's not here to support so during the scene when we watch you two like getting along I'm like this is bullshit like you guys are not in this place and then they use Kyle and Mo and they talk about them on screen are they not doing well I heard you're not doing well. It's like, yeah, stop using that because you're derailing. You're trying to deflect from your situation.

Yeah, I think they're in denial. That's who should be targeting with the denial. That would be a fun if she just threw that out there. But the last thing, what do you think about, do you think Kyle brought Kim on because of the sister comment? And then she used that immediately after the fact to be like, no, I'm cool with Kim at least. I didn't either. I saw that one pop up. I don't want to think that

and I actually enjoyed this scene It was nice seeing those two Like have a kumbaya moment a little bit I did too I liked that too I mean And I also think that we kind of know That Kathy and Kyle do

Men fences because they've been seen And spotted together now Like as of late Like recently supporting each other And I know that Kyle has met Paris's kids And stuff like that So I'm happy to hear that ultimately Things go good

But I Really liked seeing Kim I like that she's doing a lot better. That's great that she's painting. The paintings were actually pretty good. I mean, you know, I think she's... In my mind, I'm trying to picture walking into that house, though. I mean, like, oh, you painted your walls.

I know. It's got to be in certain rooms, right? It's not like in the living room or the dining room I can. I don't know. I hope not. I hope not. Tim Richards alone during the pandemic finding painting is something that goes all over the I want to see I think what you're talking about where people are talking about Kyle bringing Kim in immediately after the sister comment that's just people having a vendetta against Kyle right now people are just going after her for nothing calculated no it's and it's not I think what we're seeing is we're seeing Kyle in real time we know all the shit that she's going through she's having issues with her sister she's having issues with Mo she's having all these issues across the board we're watching her try to

reconcile some of them. I mean, she just lost her best friend and now she realizes I need to stop fighting with my sisters. Let me reach out to Kim. Go on a hike with Kim and bring Doreet because Doreet's going to be super positive the entire time. We know that. I think that was just written in there because Kyle wants to try to mend fences with as many people as she can because her life is in a spiral right now and she doesn't know what to do. It could just be as simple as that. There's no chance that she a day or two later said, I didn't like that comment that Sutton made. So let me go reach out to Kim and then Kim obliged right away. It just, it doesn't add up for me.

That obviously, that also obviously was not their first time seeing each other. You know what I mean? Obviously, there have been other times. And I also think, like, I would imagine that Kim also knew this woman, Lorraine, who passed away. And I would imagine that, like, when something really tragic happens, you reach out to people that you care about. You put things aside. Like, you know, maybe they are getting some perspective as a family. So many of the things that they fought about were real, but so many of them were so stupid.

like ultimately this Kathy and Kyle fight from last season is pretty stupid yeah yeah but it's like Lisa Rina like you know you know why it happened you know what I'm saying it's like exactly but that's the hardest part I guess with this scenario is you're dealing with Kathy Kathy's not going to be wrong Kathy's she's not going to cop up to her shit like she's Kathy Hilton she doesn't have to and she's always going to maintain that level of upper echelon where she's like she doesn't have to bend the knee even when she's wrong i can't imagine having a sister like that or trying to no make amends with somebody like that so i do feel for her there and yeah at the end of the day this was just a nice scene i don't think it's any deeper than that it's

nice to see her actually have a moment where it's like all right everything sucks but this was nice to see at least kim's back in the picture and a flourishing artist so a lot of good things in that scene But the last thing we got to do, we got one more show. Are you still holding up, Matt? You still hanging in there? I'm doing great. Perfect. So the last show, I got to get to my soundboard because we got to do that.

I wonder if we're going to hear it. I don't know. Because we're in. I don't know what's going to work on a streaming board. I'll do it, man. That's awesome. It works. It worked.

It worked. Oh, you guys heard it? yeah I didn't hear it did you actually that was electric yeah we heard of yeah you guys messing with me did you know we love to know no we heard it no we heard it I don't believe you but we're in Miami and we're starting out at the party and uh I'm so excited that we have you on to talk about this Matt because you're a singer and you're a very good singer so I want you to rate Julia's performance because and shooter will tell you I'm the emotional one of the group. This was one of the most beautiful scenes I've seen live in

anything. This was so genuine and heartfelt. And I teared up. I was sitting by myself watching this at home and I was like choking up as my wife was like walking out the door. So I don't know if she saw me crying. But I cried at this because it was beautiful. Like it was so sweet. But her performance as far as I can't imagine how difficult it is to learn how to sing opera, especially if you're not an opera singer. So from a professional singer standpoint, how did she do? Well, here's what I'll say. I don't think she has a future as an opera singer,

but I would also say that's not important. I always say about singing, it's not about how well you sing. It's about how much you want to sing. And it's about the place that it comes from, and it's about the expression, and it was a true expression of love and devotion. And I think by that measure,

It was a smashing success. I would say brava. I said the only critic that mattered here was Martina. And her eyes were full of tears because she knew what Julia was doing for her. And she knew that it probably took a lot of preparation. And she also probably knew it took Julia out of her comfort zone because she said she was very surprised by it. So I too thought it was a beautiful moment.

I'm happy that we're done with the narrative of seeing her prepare for it. Yeah. too. But I will also say I loved Adriana accompanying. I thought she was so great. Yeah. And I would say overall this storyline was very winning and very positive for Julia. Very positive. Yeah, we need more of that.

Yeah, just that, but I like it because it's it was a couple episodes. We get the climax. It was good. We're moving forward from it until we get to Larson in the car. I thought her dress was beautiful. She looked at it. She's going. like she's just she's such a beautiful person i think i just i'm just always happy when she's on the screen and some people say she doesn't do enough for the show and i fuck off i think to julia she doesn't fantastic she doesn't do enough for the show and she always sings with pride

there are there are multiple people i would kick off the show before julia but she doesn't do enough for the show really yeah there we go oh man man i would kick off adriana first and then marisar right afterwards oh Is that is so important. No. Why? She's annoying. Why is Adrienne?

No way. I am done being susceptible to your poison. I am no longer susceptible to your poison. She tries so hard. She tries so hard. She tried so hard. I was flagellent. This is what we need.

I could have broken my life. leg how dare you say no adriana you can you be ariana for the rest of the show just boys yeah that'll be good you know what still i am no longer susceptible to your poison mary soul that's really good that's a really good impression um you just made me lose track oh let me let me let's dive in as the agent of chaos. That's if she is. I am actually with shooter here. She can go. But I'm glad that you stand so strong for her. Absolutely insane. We're not. What is she doing? I like, I like that this show started this show started with Matt saying that everybody. Because she plays piano. What can't

she do? Okay, let me get to my point before I lose it again. Larsa, that's what I want to talk about. We got to talk about Larsa and the Gertie situation because good Lord. I cannot imagine fucking something up so bad as to outing somebody's cancer diagnosis and then having the balls to try to back it up that you're in the right. This entire scene, everything I've seen from her this season, she's one of the most unlikable characters and people I've ever seen. Like, I don't know how she goes to bed at night. Like, it's crazy to me, but I want to get your take on this entire situation.

So she has sex four times and then she gets really tired and then she goes to bed. And she gets dicked down and you can barely use her brain. Time out. She wakes up still unable to use her brain. That's why she wanted Marcus to go to where they go, Palm Beach, so that she could sleep better. If she doesn't get dick down a couple times, she can't sleep. That's her ambient. There we go.

Here's what I've had to really question myself about with Larsa Pippen. Is she that dumb or is she that mean? And I honestly think. No, I think it's the mean. It's a mixture of both. Because to be so emotionally unintelligent that not only do you completely disregard the request to keep this private,

but that you don't just intuit it naturally that this is going to be something she'd want to tell people herself on a reality show. Forget about regular life. They're on a reality show where she might want one of her things in her story to be sitting down with our friends and telling them this. You know what I mean?

This is like an emotional moment that we then did not get to have on the show. Larsa completely co-opted this very meaningful moment in Gertie's life where she is facing something mortally perilous, and now that narrative has completely been taken from her and made about someone else. that is so narcissistic it is unkind it's cruel it's larcissistic it it's larcissistic did you just come up with that i love word that is really good i think we just found new word shit really good yeah we can better get it no she'll do it

and she'll sell it a podcast merch but my thing is just like like it's just so it's it's it's it's it's it's it's thoughtless she is thoughtless yep it's careless and dangerous almost like i can't stand the fact that she again like the doubling down of it's the craziest part to me and that's just the m o of her i think like she gets backed into a corner and she can't be wrong it's like if you can't look at this scenario and just see what you did all you have to do is say sorry and that's what gertie says later i need an apology i don't need a i felt this way. So I did that. I don't need. I was trying to rally the girls. Guess what, Larsa, at the end of the day, it's a fucking cancer diagnosis. The girls will rally when Gertie tells them what's going on with her because they're

her friend and she has a disease that could kill her. We don't need the Larsa fan club to come up and hype her up before she's ready. That's the other part of it. She might not be ready for people to know because it's going to change their view and opinion of her. And maybe she doesn't want to be the sympathy case where Everyone's trying to make sure that Gertie's okay all the time. Maybe she wants to deal with this in her own way. Whatever the reason, it's her news to tell. You don't out somebody's cancer diagnosis. That's nuts.

It's even crazier to defend it. Larson's thing about how she wanted to tell her friends before she got the chance. Because what? You didn't tell me not to tell anybody. The first people that Larsa told were Larson's friends, not the group on the show. She told her two or three friends that walked into that party before anybody else. So no, you didn't want to tell the group of friends because you wanted to excuse Gertie from having a difficult conversation or you wanted the girls to rally behind her. You already confirmed that you told everybody because you wanted them to feel bad for you because you had a bad day.

You had a nervous day because you talked to one of your friends who has breast cancer. That's fucking insane. That's so ridiculous. You need to go no further than when Gertie told Larsa, Larsa's reaction was, well, how am I supposed to. to know that. How am I supposed to know that? And then also it's a bold face lie that you were saying it with good intentions because we have on camera you being like, well, I went to go talk to her and then all of a sudden she's like, I have cancer. Like we saw you do it repeatedly. So there's literally, there's literally no defense for your defense. Not forget about the indefensible behavior to begin

with there is your your defense of your own behavior is also now like digging a further grave but i wonder if with with someone like larsa who is so larcissistic if it even matters that she's caught in these serious web of lies because she's not the kind of person who takes accountability anyway she doesn't give us just going to get more and more frustrating probably I think so, yeah, I think it's going to end up where she is just, she's going to end up being pissed off and wanting an apology from Gertie for dragging her character and calling her a liar. When we watch her, how nuts is that? We watch you lie. We watched.

This is what doesn't like ever, ever resonate with me. And I'll never understand it. These women have done this for a long time. How do you not know that there's a fucking camera? We're going to go back and watch. The craziest thing with Larsa, though, is she's going to. watched that scene where she lied and she's still going to say that's not what i was saying that's not how i meant it i'm not lying she took it the wrong way she's but you already think she's never going to

take it you already see lisa defending her on their way to palm beach immediately that least the new lisa knew when she sat down with gertie on that boat and she didn't reveal that it was larsa that told her she knew better she knew that lars it was in the wrong by telling her in the first place. And yet, a couple days later, here she is defending Larsa to Gertie. No, that doesn't make any sense. Lars is so like in Lisa's head. And you could see that when Lisa shows up to this party after the police were called and there's the whole Lenny situation, Larsa immediately pulls Lisa away to the bathroom where cameras can't go. Let me hear the story first. Before anybody else hears it, let me hear it first so that then she can come out and she knows all the details before everybody

else that's just who she is yeah i feel like um they were just gaslighting gertie like all they all needed to do was all get on board and turn to larsa and be like larsa you were wrong that's it like and i have to say lisa trying to play middleman here is completely forgetting the fact that gertie has fucking cancer that's what's important like the fact that we're even talking about the larsa of it all is shitty like Gertie has cancer there literally has not been a moment where that group has been like

hey, anything we can do we care for you like Lisa got that when she revealed her divorce or that she revealed what was going on with Lenny like Gertie has not had that and I can't help but feel like it's another situation

where a black woman gets upset and these women just like shut, just try to shut it down are they try to they try to make it less you know what i mean like it's just like and gertie felt completely alone and had to leave and she had a few people being like you are totally within the right but she had very few people being like no this is what's happening we are wrong we are not handling this right do better like you need to turn to larsa and you need to shut down the bully in that situation and they were not doing that no not at all it's actually upsetting to see

And of course, Julia is one of the ones on the right side saying, you don't even apologize. Get out of here. I totally get it. See you. Adriana sees through the bullshit, which is shocking. Like, she's even, like, gets that this is a crazy situation. I don't see a world in which this gets resolved amicably. I see it that if Gertie wants there to be a relationship with Larsa, and this is insane.

The fact that I have to say this sentence is insane. I do believe if Gertie wants any kind of relationship with Larsa, and this is insane. Larsa in the future, Gertie's going to have to eat some shit here. And Gertie is the one with cancer and Larsa is the one that fucked up. But there's no way Larsa makes amends with her based on Larsa taking any accountability for what she's done. And that sucks. And I hope that Gertie doesn't play that game.

So stressful. So dark. So the opposite of what Gertie needs right now. Yeah. And she's such a like nice person. Like she's so great. Like I love Gertie so much. So like to see that shit like of all the people, not that anybody obviously deserves any

kind of thing like that. But to see her go. through it and she doesn't say mean shit about people is just the worst so unfair so unfair the last part of this um i do want to talk about lisa real quick do you feel for jody because of how often she brings up lenny there's a there's a fine line between where i do agree and i brought it up with uh Travis and gina in OC where if you are somebody significant other you should be able to discuss with them things that happened in the past if you're going through a thing with an ex or an ex-husband or an ex-wife or whatever to a certain extent.

I do believe that there needs to be open communication. That's your person to lean on. Hey, I'm not doing well right now because of this. And it's because of my ex. Can we chat about it? Sure. When every single conversation comes back to Lenny, do you feel for Jody and is Lisa talking about it too much with her guy? Well, I think that Lenny is legitimately the cause of every one of her daily stresses.

And I think that that is what she is legitimately going through. So in the spirit of open communication, like if I were a partner to someone, I would want them to be honest with me. Is it going to wear on him? Ultimately, yeah. But, you know, I almost feel like I would rather someone that I was partnered with, like really tell me what was going on, then feel like they needed to hide from me at all. and she has a situation that is obviously really extreme. Her ex-husband or husband is a fucking douche canoe.

And he's like a sicko and like he's betrayed her and like has to be around her children. That's another thing. It's like she's a mother first and foremost and this guy is like fucking with her in that regard. So part of me feels like of course like I want that honesty. but also like I do think that her friends you know like Marisol included are coming from a good place and I get what they mean when they say like you can't talk to him this much about this like get a therapist I think Lisa said she didn't have a therapist she did yeah that's crazy yeah she needs to get a therapist like because I also think that would help immeasurably because she because I think that she would

exhaust herself with the therapist and therefore wouldn't bring it to Jody, it's just hard because they're setting the terms of their relationship. Now it's a new relationship. And like, it's becoming very much like the norm for him to be discussed. And right. Sometimes it's like, so when you have a breakup, it's like you break up, you mourn that. And then you have to like mourn the morning. when you move on from the grief you almost missed the grief so I just think she needs a therapist and she needs to deal with this out of

in a different way than with her relationship because soon it's going to feel really hard to move on from that being a thing that her and Jody talk about you know what I mean? That's like they connect on right and if you don't want that to be what's holding them together

because when that goes away now they start talking about normal shit they're like oh maybe we don't have a lot in common or you don't want that to be foundational you don't want you don't want your last relationship trauma to be foundational in your new relationship. Right. And I think that Lisa even talks about that

when she talks about how great Jody is in the same breath. She says he puts up with all the Lenny shit. So like that's why he's so great is because he listens to you and gives you feedback on your Lenny stuff. So I think you're on to something there where yes,

when that does all go away, maybe you do get to figure out where you are in a relationship. But I think that he's kind of stuck in this cycle now where like Matt said, yeah, you're in a new relationship. You've got to figure out what you have. Lisa thinks that you're so great because you listen about all of that.

What is Jody doing in this relationship aside from listening? Is he just there for you all the time? Do you actually have anything there? I think he's waiting to figure it out and waiting for the letting stuff to go away. I think he's being, if I had to put myself in his mind, he's probably being a little, I don't know, out of the box thinking, all right, when this whole settlement is done and you get your money and then the divorce is finalized, we get to live our lives. to find out how great of a woman you are, that might never come, or that might be a couple of

years away. And I don't know if he's being real with himself with all of that. I hope he is. Maybe he's just in it because he realizes how great Lisa is. We don't really know the inner workings of what Jody's thinking, but it just suck that every time that she talks about how great he is, we think he's great, but it's only because he listens to your stuff about Lenny. Well, Jody's splitting a $32,000 a month condo with Lenny for Lisa. So clearly he's in it for the long haul because my man is shelling out for her to have some nice digs. But, you know, I guess we'll see. It lives in Adriana's old house, right?

He does, actually. Oh, wait, that was crazy to me. Wasn't that weird? Yeah, I thought it was so weird. I was like, oh, and Adriana just walks his new her old house. What I think I'm watching, that's so bizarre. Like, what a small world. It was crazy.

And that's, I don't know, there's a lot of weird ties. But the last thing we need to discuss, we had some drama pop off between Julia and Alexia who are trying to mend their relationship. They're trying to move forward a little bit and things have been going well. They seem to be viving while they're shopping. And it comes down to an awkward or weird comment made by Alexia because Julia's like, oh, we can room together on this trip. It's going to be great.

And she gives her kind of a very strange answer. She's like, oh, I have to check with Todd first and then Marisol. And the first interaction when they do it, it can kind of be, I guess, brushed off. where you're like, all right, maybe she didn't meet anything by that. Maybe it's just like she was trying to be funny. It happens again. And the second time it was asked, that was a very clear like, oh, I need to ask Todd for permission. And as we know, Julia's a lesbian.

So a very, very poignant point was made. Well, do you have to ask for permission with Marisol? And I don't think that Alexian knows what she's implying here. It's like, oh, you think that just because I'm a lesbian, you can't be behind a closed door with me because I can't control myself. like this whole scene really sucked and i felt really bad for julia especially when they get to the house and she's talking to adriana about it there's so much wrong with that statement and for her to act like when they're in the car in the way there and julia's like so are we rooming together

and she's like oh no i'm just going to room with marisol and the way that she said that to me implies that she knows what she said to julia wasn't right because she doesn't address the fact that oh you know i talked to marisol so we're just going to room together now she says it to julia's Though, like, yeah, you know that me and Marisol are rooming together. She doesn't even address the fact that Julie was ever an option. Yeah, I feel like I know what it's like to have someone that I really like to room with on vacations. And also on Ultimate Girls trip and on all the other vacations that we've seen, the Miami girls beyond. Like, Alexia and Marisol make it very clear that they love to vacation together.

They have like a routine. They wake up in the morning and they have their morning cocky. Like, this is something that they do. They're like vacation. studies. So I almost felt like the comment that Alexia was making to Julia about like, oh, I have to ask Todd. I have to ask Marisol was more out of wanting to make fun of the situation and make light of the situation because she did not want a room with Julia. This is a new friendship. She wants to room with Marisol. She knows that. Marisol is just her girl. That's just who she vacations with. And so I think that, like, I don't, I don't want to and do not assume homophobic. be on Alexia's part because of this comment. I think she just didn't want to room with Julia from the beginning because she wants to room with Marisol and was trying to make a joke and was trying to be funny about it and

went about it the wrong way. Do I think that Alexia always says the right thing? Do I think it's impossible that she was making a homophobic comment, willfully or or not or ignorantly? No, I think it is possible. But I just don't assume that. And I think that because we have all this evidence of Julia and Marisol loving to be together specifically on vacation, I'm going to chalk it up to that and her wanting to have fun with

Julia and be light in the beginning and then feeling awkward about the fact that there they are on vacation in Palm Beach and she's going to room with Marisol and needing to tell her for real. That's what I chalked that up to. I don't want to assume something dark. I don't want it to go there. All right. That's fair. I honestly didn't look at it that way.

So maybe that was just, she didn't know how to tell her, I don't want to ruin with you. So she used Todd and Marisol. I think, I think she could have just been like, oh, no, oh my God, you're so sweet. I always room with Marisol. She'd be pissed. But like, that's so fun. Like, maybe if Marisol ever can't make it, we'll definitely room together, girl. Mu, want, love you.

See you later. But she, I think, didn't know how to say no, like you're saying. Yeah. But I had, though, her bringing Todd into it at all, even in like a passing comment, making it funny, that's where I don't really understand it. That's where it's tricky. Yeah, like you can say I can ask Marisol for sure because everybody knows that you've ruined with Marisall all the time.

Once you say I have to ask my husband for permission, I don't even get the joke. Like, what's the joke? Well, the joke is, the joke is that if, if we're to assume that that that's what that is, then it's, oh, I have to ask Todd, you know, another man, you know, another woman whom I want to fuck me, like, which is like, you know,

know, lame. Let's hope that that wasn't it. Yeah. I know. I hope it wasn't because I don't want to be actually mad at Alexia. Why don't? And I think you might be right, Matt. Like when you see the scene with them shopping together, she's like, oh, your boobs look

great. Oh, look at your butt. You have a great butt. And she's like helping her move her stuff around. It doesn't seem to me like she's like, ugh, like, ah, you don't hit on me. It's more so. So maybe, yeah, I hope, I agree with you. I hope that you're right.

That would make me a lot happier than she might. Alexia might just be very traditional and like Todd wants to know who she's rooming with like I don't know it's weird but I do think the relationship is kind of weird so and I think Alexia is kind of weird Todd and Alexia? Todd Alexia is weird as hell

it is weird. It is weird. It's bizarre he fucking hung out in the gym during their party that's weird insane somebody's phone near a microphone now are you hearing something? Yeah he's getting a lot of feedback could be Siri

Sorry. I don't know who it was. I have no idea. It could have been anybody. But we got one more thing to do here, and that's just some questions. We got questions for you specifically from our listeners. And then we got some Beverly Hills questions as well. So let's see if we got Matt Rogers questions. From Ang Ziskin, how's your athlete's foot doing? Oh, my God. It's not good. So I had athlete's foot. I actually had never had it even though I was an athlete all growing up. Like I got it in the gym a couple years ago and it's been on and off with me for a couple of years. But apparently there's people in my DMs really trying to help me. Loatriman really helped me. I'm going to get that again. Like I have access to care.

I have access to care, everyone. You don't need to worry about me. But thank you for your concern for my feet because disaffliction is real. And I don't wish it on my worst enemy. How did you do you shower barefoot at the gym? I did. oh I that's see forgot the flip-flops

I forgot them and I just really wanted to shower and I went in there and I did it and I was it was I guess worth it in the immediate moment but now it's really I can't believe how long it's stuck around it's crazy yeah that's a bummer I'm so sorry I'm glad you're on the mend

or at least doing better with it I it's better than it was but it recently got not great again I can't believe that's thing people know. I'm so stupid for saying that on my podcast. I'm so happy that they ask. That's the first question. Uh, second question from John W.K. What did you really think about Joy Bayard taking her shoes off in socks on that flight? Yeah, we're still in footland. Um, I thought it was a crazy decision of her. She, she, she took her shoes off and put her feet on the wall of the plane. Oh, and I was just like,

oh my God. And so then I called her out on it when I was on the view and I don't think she, you like that. Oh, really? She didn't care for it. But I thought it was crazy. Good on you for calling her out. We have so many airplane

rants on this podcast about like airplane etiquette and the lack thereof that people have. Let me ask you, because I got mixed reviews from this one. If you're on a flight at like six in the morning, all right,

the early flight and it's dark out, if people open their shades, do you get upset? So the sun starts peeking through? If you're on, a nighttime flight and it's dark they drop the lights you got that dark vibe on the plane and one asshole turns his overhead light on right around your area no that doesn't bother me that doesn't bother me at all because like he might be reading you know what i mean like i feel like

that is like that's an intentional thing i mean get a nook i mean get a nook that that the audible book or whatever the fucking get it's twenty twenty three grow up yeah but you know what though the difference between that light in the cubicle or whatever or that light on the one seat is so different than an invasive light from outside. You know what I'm saying? I don't care for it.

You got a split decision steal. That's the best that you can hope for. Yeah, I'll take that. Let's ask you one more question, then we'll do some Beverly Hills questions, and then we'll wrap this bad boy up. Let's see. From Miranda 412.

Tell us more about your love for the great Melissa Gorga. a fan of his because of her. Oh my God! I love Melissa Gorga. So, Melissa Gorga reminds me of the girls I grew up with. I grew up on Long Island, and I've always, I always thought that Melissa Gorga had aspirational older cousin energy. Like, I feel like I know that girl, and I know that I can trust that girl.

And that's why I trust Melissa. Like, it's something about her energy and the way she is where she makes, she makes me, she reminds me of home and she reminds me of a type of girl that I get. Whereas like other people on that show remind me of people that I'm nervous about. Fair enough. I like that. I feel the same way about Dolores. Delores reminds me of all my mom's best friends growing up. Like Delores is like a very warm spot for me in their heart. Yeah. So you're from the Northeast. Yeah. So you just love that like Italian. Yeah. My wife. Yeah. Weirdly enough, Jersey was the last franchise I got on board with. I think because I thought it would be too real. Oh, really?

Yeah. Now I love it. Yeah. I got to ask you one more because it's a funny question from Max June. Which Southern Charm man is a bottom in your opinion? I don't watch Southern Charm, which is really good, which is a good thing. It's going to get me out of this question. Damn it. All right. Let's go to some Beverly Hills questions. Which Southern Charm man is a bottom? That's a funny question. Is Craven? Ted Conover on Southern Charm? Yes. Yeah.

Oh, he's a top. That's not the question. Page is the bottom. It's a cop out answer. She's a greedy bottom. Greedy bottom. I like that term. Yeah, I like that.

Page is a power bottom. Power bottoms. I think that term's hilarious. I love that term. Yeah. Power bottom. All right. So Beverly Hills questions. Oh, okay.

From Carly Stare. Do you think Sutton is aiding Kathy and ruining Kyle and Mo. No. I don't think it's that deep. I really don't. I don't think anyone wants to ruin Kyle and Mo. I don't think anyone wishes for angst in Kyle's life.

I think that Kathy, when she's not dealing with Kyle, isn't thinking about Kyle. I agree. All right. Last one here. And I'm going to make it a little bit more broad. And this is thoughts on Crystal. just overall what are your thoughts on crystal because i feel like she is primed for a breakout year and i think that she has more to deliver to this show and i think that she's in a place now

where she's comfortable enough where she can you know we saw it at the dinner in bagas where she wasn't afraid to like make a little jab but then pull it back and laughed it off so i'm curious your take do you think she's going to have a bigger year this year and make more of her name for herself how do you feel about her overall in terms of crystal i want to believe I'm like Mulder. I want to believe I want, because I believe that in her high highs when she first came on, she was great. And I think that, I don't think the edit is doing her favors because I don't think she possibly can be this silent the whole time.

She apparently says she's not and that the edit is unkind to her. She told us that in an interview. Yeah, we interviewed her once and she said that exact same thing. Yeah. Did you like her in the interview? Loved her. Oh, yeah. We loved her.

She was great. She's very outspoken and everything. So that's why I kind of believe her because she wasn't afraid to talk about everything. Yeah, I've heard her on other interviews, too, and I've liked her more than I like her on the show. Like, she was on a podcast I like called Andy's Girls with Sarah Galley, and she really opened up, and I really liked her in that. I think that we'll see how this Anne-Marie stuff goes. I think it could be a good moment for her because I have a feeling Anne-Marie's not going to have all the right takes. And I think that Crystal should.

ride this i'm a millennial truth teller thing all the way because she's got it all she's got all the ingredients i think she just is missing that x factor to push her over but i think if she would really to let fucking go and go for it like we could see her land amongst the stars i think that's a good way to put it yeah but uh that about wraps it up thank you for trudging through this with us our friday episodes always a long one so i appreciate it kidding me this is so fun this is almost two solid hours of what i love to talk about so i'm happy to meet you guys well yeah no it was an absolute blast just a quick plug before i forget because i forget everything uh we have our first standalone live show we are headlining the green room 42

in times square in new york city so if you haven't gotten your tickets yet head to the link in our bio get your tickets now it's going to be a blast we've got brava lebs coming out we have a big announcement who's emceeing for us you actually know her matt you're a fan of hers you mentioned her already i'm not going to say her name yet oh great just put all the puzzle pieces out there yeah you guys can all put it together and figure out who it is but uh please get your tickets come come support us like i said it's the first time we're headlining so i want to sell that bitch out january 25th nice are you around you want to come listen if i am around i will come i might be in l.a at that time because but but because i split my time between l a new york but if i'm in new york

I'm fucking there. Sounds good. We'll leave you a ticket. Hell yeah. And don't forget to buy the vinyl of Matt Rogers' Christmas album. Have you heard of Christmas? Go get it now. Or can you download it, stream it, all that stuff.

You can stream it on Spotify and come to me on tour. Matt Rogers official.com. Yeah, there you go. You're better at plugging yourself than I. I suck it, I'm so bad at them. I got fumbled them all the time. Thank you. I appreciate that.

But shoots, you got anything else. No, nope, I'm good. All right, well, braf bros are out of here. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. You want to tell him? Or you want me to tell him? No, no, no.

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