Bros & Shows - Leave Half of This Cast in Tokyo, Please! (RHOC Full Recap S20E14)

Episode Date: October 13, 2026

What's up bros?? We're off for our final cast trip of the season and let's hope that means this season will end expeditiously because we see the writing on the wall and it is not exciting. This episode sets up a cast trip without one of maybe 2 total bright spots of the season (Carmella; we discuss the issue there moving forward) as well as what seemingly will be the main storyline of the end of the season with Emily & Shane. We plead with these two to please get divorced off camera and off the show entirely because we're totally checked out of diving into the psychology of that dumpster fire Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, I got good news and I got bad news. What do you want first? There's no chance you have good news. You just don't have good news. There's no way. No, I do. I have good news and I have bad news. What do you want first?

Give me the good news because you've piqued my curiosity. I watched Potomac. It was great. Which means we have a lot of really good shows on Bravo right now, which is awesome. Do you want the bad news? Yeah, go for it. The show we're about to cover is absolute hot garbage. So that's just like what we have to do.

We have to sacrifice it to get good TV. We have to endure. Are we going to have 25 OC episodes just so we can enjoy some TV a couple days a week? Because the balance, it's kind of like evenly balanced. My hate for OC is at the point of how much I'm enjoying the other shows. It just goes to show you how much I hate OC right now. Yeah. If that's what we have to do to guarantee like a pretty.

full docket of pretty solid shows on Bravo. I will bite that bullet. I'll bite this bullet that we are biting weekly at this juncture. I don't know how sustainable it is. I really don't. Like, it might not last that long. As there's a drive in a deep left field by

Castellanos. It will be a... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Broves. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brambrose.

Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Tokyo Magoutes. What's up, dude? This stupid bullshit fuck-ass show has to be over soon, right? Like, we're in Tokyo. This is the last of it. This has to be fucking over.

Like, put us out of our misery. We've officially done the pivot into what the ending. storylines are going to be pick your fucking poison. Shane and Emily getting a divorce or is Jen going to get married? That's pretty much what we have. That is what we have.

And I guess maybe And a shoehorned Alexis Polito. Yeah, I think that one's a one and done, hopefully. I really do. Because it's Heather centric and because, yeah,

we've talked a lot about Heather and others' inability to like get her involved in a dramatic way, I think it doesn't really change much for Alexis. I do think because Heather was involved in that, she's going to move on and she just won't talk about Alexis again,

which is exactly what I want. Yeah, probably. I just, if Tamara's going to keep trying to harp on it, that I'm not saying Heather's going to bite. I'm not saying it's going to blow up into a storyline. The fact that we are, I guess I watched this in two parts.

I was like, the fact that we're going back to that. No, no, that was also this episode. It just felt like, you know, a century watching this whole episode.

But yeah, dude, again, I want to talk about the slate of Bravo, just briefly. before we have to do the rest of this show, because there's not a lot to talk about in this episode anyway. There is a pretty solid, solid lineup of shows right now. Rony is hitting at stride.

I think Potomac had a great premiere. What else do we have? Southern Charms coming back in November, and we're covering other stuff, and I'm blanking currently. Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City. Rony.

I said Roney. Roney, I think is good. Yeah. Overall, I think we're in a good place in Bravo right now. Southern Charms trailer looked awesome. Craig has a children's book that we are going to do a dramatic reading of on the podcast at some point,

so don't worry. But yeah, let's not lose sight of the overall picture. Bravo's been on a bit of a heater this whole year. So I want to give some kadoos to them. Because they are on a heater, you know what that tells me? I almost use your government name because I'm so serious right now.

You know what that tells me, shooter? That tells me that they are capable. That tells me that they can take broken shows. and they can fix them. You know what that tells me, shooter? That tells me that there's no excuse

for this pile of shit that you roll out every week. There's just no excuse anymore. They cannot look at the overarching product of Orange County. And not after this season, be like, we're fucking done. Go ahead.

I thought you were going to say, you know what that tells me that they can fix OC because they can't. They just, they've tried, they can't fix this show. I think what it tells me is they're willing to,

roll this out the same way every year. Fix a couple of tiny pieces because everything else is doing so well and because OC and Beverly Hills never have ratings problems, which I'm sounding like a broken record. We talk about it all the time, but they're never going to change this. They're just going to bring back

Vicky and that's going to be their big move and if she comes back next season, they're not going to change a thing because they're looking at Emily and Shane getting a divorce and like, well, there has to be an end of this story. I almost agree with them in that regard. Like as much as I would like them to just be like, you know what, Emily, don't you handle this shit off the show.

We don't want to, we don't want any parts. The viewing all of the tweets, all of the threads that we're seeing, no one gives a shit. Everybody hates both of you. Like, I don't like Shane or Emily. There's no rooting cause in any of that. Maybe there's a chance that Emily divorces Shane and she becomes more tolerable and she gets a little bit of an upswing. Saw a couple of people trying to spin that.

I don't know. I guess you could say there's a very, a very, very small chance that she's a little bit more likable because she's a little bit more free. But then even when you read into that, why is she a little more free? Is it because she's done with Shane? Or is it because she gets to kind of move on and she doesn't have as many duties with the children, which is what she's been talking about a lot. Yeah. And that's a big problem too. Like, they both suck.

Like Shane is throwing it in her face about how he's caretaking the children. But like he's a little worm too. she's annoying and she's trying to get sympathy for him throwing an interface, but she doesn't do anything for the kids. All she does is talk about them on screen. The whole thing is so stupid and like just uninteresting. It is icky that we have to talk about it. But if I'm just watching this, like I have no interest in watching any of this unfold.

And that's kind of where this episode goes. And look, we talked about this last week. Was it, uh, shit, what episode? Oh, it was Roney. We were talking about Roney not having like a full travel episode. they do like 10 to 15 minutes of airport stuff and conversations and then the iPhone footage on the plane and things like that. We got a lot of that. This is the typical.

So I'm not even going to like harp on the whole OC thing. This was a filler episode to get us to Tokyo where things are going to fall apart between Vicki and Tamara. Great. That's going to be fun. The rest of it is stupid. Like you can see that pivot that I was talking about of Jen and Emily sitting down like, hey, what are you going to get married? Hey, what's going on with shame? No.

No, no, no. I do not want this. And that's exactly what's going to happen. It's going to be five straight episodes of that. And then they're going to get three parts of a reunion. We still have, what, until fucking December of this show when you lay it out like that? Maybe. Because there is a world.

This is episode 13 to my best knowledge. Was this 14? Can you confirm that? If you make me think that we're an episode ahead of where we actually are next week, I see it's actually 14. I'm going to be really pissed. But, all right, fine. I'll level with you.

episode 14. I'm pretty... I gotta look. No, it is. It's definitely episode 14. I was looking because some people yell at us in the comments all the time. Like, just fucking check Wikipedia, you morons. And I'm like, yeah, you are right.

We are stupid. Yeah, we are stupid. But yeah, no, there is four... There was 14 episodes. And it says to be announced for as many episodes is going to have. You sons of bitches. What do you mean? Other shows, other shows have that shit, like, right in there within like five or six episodes.

They already know how many they're doing. Do not do that with OSCE. waiting to see how long they could milk this. That sucks. All right. Well, there is a world in which there's 16 episodes. That's been standard for a few housewife shows. This one tends to be longer.

Last two seasons of OC have been 20, but I think that includes the reunions. That's my point. So we might have two more. There is a world where we have two more. If that's the last two seasons, I bet we have 17 episodes, three reunions. So we're almost done the regular season. Three more weeks of regular season, maybe potentially. more. But I just want to jump right in because we could do this whole thing back and forth

for the show. But let's just rip the Band-Aid off and get back to, oh, God, Alexis and Heather. Like, what? We're watching Alexis throwing a fit and trying to come at Heather. Are you that insecure? Are you shitting me right now, Alexis? You're talking to Heather Dubrow. She's many things. Insecure is not one of them. She's not insecure at all, especially around you. Okay. This whole thing of trying to develop or make it seem as though there's a beef between Alexis and Heather is so frustrating. And I love that Heather goes at her and it says, listen, if you want to come into my world, my world, you tried to come back last year. It didn't work. Now you're coming back into my world and give me a look.

Nah, that's not going to fly. She goes back inside and kind of gives the rundown. I agree with you once again. We talked about it last week. There is something nice about seeing the entire cast be on the same side of things. Be like, hell yeah, fuck Alexis. We're on Team Heather just because you're part of the cast and she's not. It's nice to have those galvanizing moments.

But then immediately we jump back out to Dum, dumb Alexis. And she's going, took her to task. Who? What the hell are you talking about? That was an embarrassing, embarrassing sequence of events. And then you're going to go back in there. and try to do more Teddy Mellencamp, who's not on the show anymore,

is it going to go up to and say, hey, don't do this thing where you leave and come back again. She's literally like, hey, you're really embarrassing right now. Yeah. You know, please get off of the show. Yeah, I mean, it definitely answers the question that some people had last week of whether or not Alexis was there for the cameras, there for a storyline,

like very well confirmed very quickly into this episode. There was a chance that maybe she would have just left at that point, But, you know, if you know Alexis, you know John Jansen. That's not going to happen. Yeah, not only just what we talked about last week, but the cast all kind of, you know, swinging behind Heather and trying to help her out and showing support. Not that she really needs the help to handle Alexis. But also Tamara was that variable that I didn't really expect.

She also going to her confessional, even after having some time to think about it, says, what the fuck is Alexis doing? Like, this is just embarrassing. Like, this is supposed to be my fun day. I brought all these people back. And, you know, there's a lot of chatter about, you know, Tamra not being upset that she was not ultimate girl's trips as she decided to have her own OC reunion by throwing this party with Eddie. And we get that brilliant Eddie speech. Thanks, Eddie.

Couldn't live without that. Dude, yeah. I really made me want to run through Brooklyn. Stuff, brother. For God, he was even fucking there. But, yeah, it made me feel a lot better, at least in that regard. Now, again, when you look at the cast as a whole, we don't really have a good cast. We've got a couple of good pieces.

I'm very inclined to do, I don't know if you've ever seen those ranking charts where you put like S tier, A tier, B, tier, C tier. But I want to change the variables in there and then put like who's actually likable. Yeah, it's likable. And then don't give a fuck, get them off the show is probably where I'm going to end up.

So I'll probably have that out at some point this week. So that made me feel better about the cast as a whole, especially before a cast trip, because I do want them all to be getting along before they go on a cast trip. Ultimate Girl's trip proved to us. you can be friends and then spend some time traveling and then hate each other within a couple of days, which is going to happen.

So we'll have to see where all of that goes. But at least in this moment, we got to basically stiff arm Alexis and John out the door, not before John makes his Cheetos comment, which why, like, why is he even near a microphone? I don't know. Again, I don't get that. That doesn't make any sense for a production standpoint. Get those fucking people out of here. The whole thing was a shit show.

But we can take away that it seems like they're friends and they support each other. So we'll take it. Yeah, and I love that at the very end of all of those shenanigans, now that Shannon recognizes, like, okay, everybody hates Alexis. I have a lot of support here. Hey, keep my name out of your mouth, Alexis. Hell yeah. Yeah, I love that. As she walks out the door, I don't care.

Love that moment. Good for you. Get a dig in there. But, yeah, you know, Alexis bounces says goodbye to Jen. And Ryan, Jen, I don't, she's all over the fucking map. She's no idea where to plant her flag, what her storyline is. Because she's standing there. She's like, I don't know where I stood with Alexis,

but I think she's happy Tamara and I are a better place. Who cares? What? Yeah, what? Why, where does that have to do with anything? But that's kind of no purpose. But that is kind of, or it is indicative of Jen's season.

Like there has been no direction. It's been weird, random moments of Jen not really knowing what to do. And it could be, we've talked about, she's got a lot going on at home. She could be a little scatterbrain currently, because of real life, but I don't know. There has been no direction whatsoever as far as a storyline for Jen. Let's not forget that last week we had the culmination of the Carmela House thing.

That was that, I think, legitimately episode two or three of this season. And then legit, 10 episodes later, we get to have that come to a close. It's like, wait, what is now we're too far gone. This has nothing to do with anything right now. that's kind of been her entire season which is not conducive to a good season. So I don't know. I don't know what's...

I would take that point and raise you. Jen's not a good housewife in general. Like, well, that sounded weird. No pun intended. But you go back to Jen being on this show. She's only ever been relevant when Tamara was throwing her under the bus as soon as she brought her under the show and she was fighting for her life. And then we kind of just felt bad for her and we're like,

we don't even get to know this woman. Then Ryan has, the gambling thing. Her response to that was also kind of weird. That's more of a Ryan thing than a Jen thing. She hasn't done anything. She has not done one thing. This is her first season of like,

okay, it seems like Ryan's, I don't know, likable, but at least he's tolerable. You get to just kind of stand up and find out who you are and see where you fit into the group,

see where you fit into the show. And she's done nothing. Like, she's a dutch. She's an absolute dudge. She brings nothing to the show. She's absolutely pointless. And I'm not just saying this.

because I hate OC. I'm just saying this like individually. Jen has done absolutely nothing on this show or for the show in her entire tenure. She serves no purpose. Like there's no reason for her to be here. I mean, you're not wrong. You know, and that kind of subs up what I was saying in a nice little box. So just kind of an overarching thing. It's like, yeah, try to break down what she's done.

It's other people that are involved with Jen that are pushing storylines that Jen's involved. And that's a good point. But they're talking Tokyo and they're trying to convince Carmela to go. She doesn't travel well. She's been having issues with her diabetes. She has a passport problem. There's a lot going on.

We don't know. But not before we get Shane coming in late. Terry, you really just getting here? Yeah, I have kids. Not in a great mood. And then Emily goes and hugs him. You don't even hug me at home. Why are you hugging me here?

To which she replies, all right. I don't need these scenes. I don't need to see these two miserable, miserable people. What happens later, and we'll talk about it, ad nauseum, unfortunately, between everyone trying to figure out what's going on with Shane and Emily is that's it. I can't do it anymore because I'll save it. I'll save it.

No, it's like I want to paint a picture for you just so we can at least go through this to get, no, you don't want this picture. But it's in my brain, so it has to be. your brain now. Thanks. End of, the season. Dramatic, like, different filter on it, maybe a little bit black and white,

but it's kind of opaque. And it's just Shane and Emily sitting down talking about where they're going to go with their marriage. And that's how the season's going to end. It might even pick up cameras for it. It's going to be a post-credit scene. You know it's coming.

It's going to be a post-credit scene. Fuck. And she's just going to be at the reunion, crying the whole time. And look, this isn't, I mean, it's just a stupid fucking season. There's nothing going on.

on. So it's not a typical Emily season where she has things to answer for because she made some shitty comments. And now, you know, let's see if her feeder actually held to the fire. No, probably not. This is just nothing. Like, that's what we're going to do. So yeah, I had that image of my brain pretty much right after that. Like, that's where we're going. And then the rest of the episode kind of confirmed it. That's going to be our big piece of the puzzle for the OC crew is will Emily and Shane get a divorce? Let's have a really dramatic sit down with them in their home. and maybe their kids like walk in on the conversation. Oh, God, please.

I can see it coming from a mile away and it's going to be horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. Damn it. You're right. I can see that scene. It's in black and white to start. There's no music. You know,

it's when they like cut away from a scene with music. The soft piano kicks in once they start talking. But the beginning to make it seem less produced is silent. So you can hear them shuffling around trying to get comfortable where they're sitting. And then they start talking. And then you hit the smooth jazz behind on the piano. Yeah. And it's already like really uncomfortable on the unprompted scenes like this

that we just saw at this party. This is going to be heavily produced. They're going to be thinking about what they want to say. They're going to be talking about what they want to say to each other probably. And then they're going to have the sit down scene. So it's going to be even worse. Yeah. Everybody's got something to look forward to.

Yeah. Can't wait. If anybody's still on this OC journey with us and not just listening to podcasts, you know, maybe, maybe quit now. We're losing people left and right from watching. I know, I know. Every week. We appreciate you guys for sticking this out with us, at least audibly.

Even if you're not watching it. We're dev. Dev's behind. She takes like two weeks now to watch an OC episode. She's never behind on Bravo shows. And she's like, oh yeah, I forgot that it was on. I was like, God, I wish I could. But yeah.

Anyway, let's get to the most depressing scene. this made me super duper sad for Shannon and just for people in general because we never want to see dog stuff. You know, we never want to see a dog in trouble. And obviously we've heard now that Archie passed, correct? I don't want to say that without 100% confirming. But he was having trouble walking. She went in the bathroom. He's having a seizure.

Turns out the day of brain cancer. And they're going to get an MRI and try to get it figured out. And we know what happens. This is super sad. I don't have anything snarky to say. say or anything like that. You've seen what Archie's been for Shannon. Like that legitimately been her comfort blanket through everything that she's gone through. The stuff with Johnny Jay, the DUI, her entire life of trying to figure out where she is and like how to be a grownup

essentially. Archie's been the shoulder to cry on. He's been her support system. So this sucks. This sucks balls. I don't like Shannon. Nobody should have to go through this. Like that's the saddest shit ever. So RIP. Archie, he was a real one. Yeah, for a dog dog, a dog to be on a show like this for a very long time to the point where you're on a first name basis with the dog, dogs could do no wrong at the end of the day. So watching this and obviously, you know, bittersweet, happy that she at least has Troy and she had the crossover between the two, so she's had two dogs.

So she at least has Troy to kind of fall back on when Archie does pass. Knowing that Archie has passed while watching this is obviously a completely different inflection where if Archie were still alive and doing a lot better, you'd kind of be a little happier. You'd be like, all right, good. Like, she figured things out. She got on top of it. She did this.

She did that. Archie's an older dog and it's just something that happens. But it's always going to hit you right in the fields when you have a dramatic scene about, you know, an animal of pet passing away. Yeah, it made me super sad. I feel really bad for Shannon. But that's a good point. I mean, Archie was, Archie was legit a household name.

Everyone knew Archie. That's pretty cool. So we'll all remember Archie was a good boy, but let's keep moving. We get to what I thought was, uh, oh, no, that's, that's later. We're not at the airport yet. Damn it. We're at the AL lounge where I started to jump the gun where Ryan's stepdaughter works. So we get to hear about her some more and the fact that Jen's like, yeah, it's great

to have an extra send of hands in the house, lives at home with the other step kid, Cole. Tyler and Cole are the step kids. they're Ryan's kids. Right. Anyway, we get a marriage timeline because Emily Press is about that. This is not actually to discuss Jen's marriage. This is a segue to get to Emily and Shane's marriage. That's the only reason that this is brought up.

And Jen admits, like, look, I'm the problem. We're taking baby steps. I'm waiting to do it with all my kids there, which makes sense. But at the same time, kids are getting older. You got Dawson in the Marines. You can't really time it up correctly. So someone's probably going to be the odd man out. But again, that's not really what this is about.

This is about talking about Shane and Emily. Because we're talking about a potential facelift or something like that. And she says, well, how does Shane feel about it? He tells me I look good. Really, he says nothing because he just says frequently, you look good. So again, we're highlighting their issues in communication, all of that different shit, just so we can talk about Shane and Emily. Awesome.

Yeah. This scene was like the double shot ride on the boardwalk where you kind of go up all the way. Then they drop you a little bit, just enough where you're like, oh, shit. Well, that was a big drop. And then you kind of go back up and then they really drop you. That's what this scene was for me. Because when we start talking about Jen's marriage timeline, I'm like, you really, you really have fucking nothing. You have absolutely nothing.

And now I can see the writing on the wall. and it all happens in an instant. You start to see what's going to happen. Oh, fuck, we're going to start talking about Jen's timeline once again, and then Tamara's going to get involved, and she's going to start asking questions about Ryan, and whether or not they're going to get married, and what's the hold up,

and then the whole group's going to be talking about it, and Jen's going to be playing defense again. And that really only lasted about five seconds before Emily started talking about her and Shane. That's the bigger issue here. I'd almost rather spend the rest of the season pressing Jen about when her and Ryan are getting married and why they're not married already,

then go over here. You can actually couple that in and show Gina and Travis getting married for all I care. I'd much rather do those two things. I would rather watch Gina and Travis get married than talk about Shaden. I would spend two fucking episodes

watching Gina and Travis get married and then constantly talk about whether or not the money was worth it or if they should have bought a house together. That would have been way more interesting and way better for me than going over to Shaden and Emily. But yeah, this is a heartbreaker

and not for the reasons that it might seem because I really don't give a shit about their marriage. It's a heartbreaker for me because now we have to watch this. Now we have to get into it in a deeper way. I wanted surface level. And yeah, it's not really surface level as it is. But what we've been enduring for a while is much more tolerable than getting in deep and having serious conversations with Emily about this.

She has shown her hands way too much. She has shown everything that she does in the marriage. And again, Shane sucks too. He's a lump on a log. He doesn't have a fucking job. And he doesn't do anything. And he's probably just sitting over there, drinking like a huge diet coke or something after he puts the kids to bed and just

scrolling on Twitter, just looking for his own name. They're weirdly made for each other, but they're made for each other to get the fuck off the screen because I can't deal with them anymore. Yeah. And look, as we've said, Shane's a stay at home dad, which is a full-time job. I will give him that. To throw it back in Emily's face frequently is a weird move even if, even if she's not pulling her own weight just because it solves nothing.

And I'm not giving Emily an out. Trust me, I'm going to talk about her very shortly. But if you're a married couple, you're on TV. You know you're on TV. This is what I say about Emily all the time when she's talking shit about her kids, which is still the strangest thing I've ever seen. When you do this shit, your kids are going to see this shit. Do you really want them to know that you both hate each other?

Shane, do you really want your kids to confirm? Because they probably already think, mom's not really here a lot. Now you're going to confirm like, yeah, she doesn't do shit, which is going to make them feel even worse, rather than at least they're thinking, mom works a lot. No, you're going to confirm everything that they're worried about. Yeah, mom doesn't want to spend time with you guys at the end of the day. I know that sucks to hear. But I'm not a grown up. So I'm going to say this because I'm throwing a hissy fit because I have to do all this shit around the house and I don't want to do it.

So I'm going to air it out on TV. I don't care about you guys as far as. the kids go. That's, I think, where because we're subjected to so much of this marriage, and because it's the same thing said differently every time they're on the screen, now I'm just doing like a deep dive

into the psychology of the marriage and the kids where it's like, all right, at the end of the day, this is going to have so many more detrimental ramifications to your children than anything that has to do with you two, because we're so far past that, we're staying together for the kids because the kids can see it.

They know that things are not okay. So why does this continue season in and season out? And here's the answer. And this makes it even worse. It's so Emily can have a storyline. It's so she has something to talk about because she has nothing else to discuss. This is the only thing that she brings up every single season. And if she was to actually get divorced, she would have nothing.

So she drags it out because there's a part of her that thinks that we care, that thinks she's getting support from the audience. Have you gone on Twitter or threads? It's an absolute bloodbath because you keep talking about it. That's what's going to happen because now we're all judging you as parents, as spouses. We shouldn't be doing this. It's gross. And yet here I sit, like, yeah, you guys are not great. And your kids are suffering as a result. That shouldn't, this shouldn't. This shouldn't. not be happening right now, but they give us no other choice. Can I make it worse? For the love of God. So you said if she gets divorced from Shane, she has nothing. I disagree. You know what she has. Fuck, the divorce.

She has the divorce. She then has the dating circuit where she then once again gets to say how weird it is to be dating and have to introduce her kids to the person she's dating. Oh, no. I don't want any of this. I don't do this. It gets way worse. That's like, again, I don't know.

Like if I was an executive at Bravo that was making any decisions, get her off the fucking screen before anything happens. Yeah, dude. Don't even let her file. Like let that be a footnote on page six. Like, whatever. People just kind of scroll past them on Twitter. That's where it deserves to be.

It should not and hopefully will not be something that we have to talk about in the off season and then gear up to talk about next season. because we know how divorces on Bravo go and I know divorces in general go this way but you don't have to hear about it all the time this could last like two or three seasons especially with all of the weird married married family money involved and shit

this thing could drag on for like three seasons she's already intolerable she'll be more intolerable every storyline that she brings to the table will be worse it'll be low hanging fruit for all the other women it will ruin a already ruined show so no it doesn't get better from here and I don't know why I even thought that like if she had divorced him,

that things might get better because it just doesn't. That's a good point. Just get her off. Get her off. You keep Gina at this point as long as you at least make some kind of. I know, I know. I actually, you know what? Gina's comment when we were in Tokyo about having but throwing money of things,

keep her on. You know what? Yeah. I would love to watch. I would love to watch another couple seasons of Gina acting like she has money and talking to Heather about it. Like that that's enough for me. I'm okay with that. I could do that. I mean, the bar is so low that that would be fine, I guess. It is. But yeah. We'll take a little ad break right here and get right back to the rest of O.C. You've got your favorite blanket,

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We got to the airport and they're in that little lounge before they take off and we find out Carmela's not coming and she's trying to walk them through why she's not coming. She was never going on this trip. She never made the effort to do any of these things, which is fine. It's a bummer from a show standpoint because she's one of the bright spots on this. show. The Heather Carmelah Friendship is a bright spot on this show. Heather's bummit. She's not coming. I hope this doesn't throw a wrench into that because I imagine they're both going to be coming back next season. So not ideal, but it does seem like she has some actual things going on. So

that was the reason she can't go. If the diabetes is scaring her, like it is what it is. It's just for an already struggling show to remove one of the pieces that we actually enjoy watching and one of the characters we enjoy watching makes this trip even tougher. because now we're like, all right, well, what are we going to look forward to? We already know because of the scenes from next week and the end of the season, that it's going to be Tamara versus Vicki and the fallout from that, which, whohoo. But yeah, I was bummed that she's not going simply because I like when she's on the screen. She's funny.

Yeah. She has been, and you can kind of lump Heather into this, she's been the singular bright spot on this show, pretty much the whole season. And it's just simply getting to know her. She seems a little quirky. She's made a friendship with Heather. She's got some pretty good comments here and there. She's outlandishly different than the majority of the housewives on this show,

which makes it for an interesting watch. And like I haven't made up my mind if it's going to be something that will be able to endure the next couple of seasons, especially with a cast like this. But to not have her here. And again, I understand the health implications. It puts her in a tough spot. It puts the show in a really tough spot because cast trips are enormous. Now I get, yes, a trip to Tokyo versus them just flying down to Mexico is a lot.

different than them flying to New York is probably different. But at the same time, this is something that could hamper her experience on this show. And it could hamper the show. If she is and continues to be that singular bright spot, what are we supposed to do? Go on cast trips with Tamara, Vicki and like Heather just acting like she doesn't really care about any of them. It's not going to work. It's simply just not going to work. So hopefully she can figure it out.

Hopefully she gets her footing. I know it's her first season. And Tokyo is a very big trip. What was it? 16 hours on the flight they had to do? 16 or 18 hour flight. 18 hour flight. That's a long time.

This is different than any of the other, most of the other cast trips that they do. But we're going to have to start thinking about that moving forward. She's going to have to start planning for that moving forward if she wants to stay on the show because quite frankly, it doesn't work to have a housewife that has to just film in her city. We've seen that before. We saw it with Jen Shaw not being able to leave the country. We went to Palm Springs about six times and three seasons. And Arizona.

And Arizona, yes. We need something to work here. And I want it to work for Carmela because of all the things that you said. And just simply because we get a little reprieve. Like thinking about Tokyo with this cast, Sands Carmelah, not fun. It just doesn't seem appealing to me. Thinking about Tokyo with Carmela there and getting a little reprieve where Carmela and Heather wake up and say, hey, let's go hit the town and go hit a couple of bars and have some fun.

That sounds fun to me. So we kind of get that taken away from us, which again, I mean, the season's already fucking dead as it is. So would that have saved it? No, but it would have made it a little bit more interesting to watch. A little more watchable. And like the Vicky cutovers where she's in a confessional going, she made a great decision not to go to Tokyo.

She doesn't know us. Debbie Downer by Carver. Bro, you had two shows to make yourself relevant again. Two chances. And you blew both of them. You are Captain Debbie Downer. You are the queen of the Debbie Downers. Carmela is the only not Debbie Downer on this show.

Shush, not funny. Boo! Tomato, tomato. Anyway, let's get to Tokyo. We get a little quick, you know, glimpse of the plane. It looks like everyone's flying first class, which is fun, good for them. And we arrive. Vicky and Shannon are apparently both puking and pooping in the van on the way to the hotel.

And this is probably a good PSA. Don't eat airplane sausage. Yeah. Seems like a good, good idea to not do that. So thank you for sharing that. But we get to the hotel. Now we got Emily and Gina sharing a room. Shocker.

We got Jen and Tamara sharing a room. This should seem like not a big deal or just kind of whatever. Or for some people, it's like, oh, they've reconnected. This, to me, is the end of Jen attempting to be a standalone character. This is Jen backpedaling back to her first season on this show to be Tamara's friend to snuggle back up to Tamara. She's saying I don't want to deal with her shit anymore. So I'm just going to bend the knee and go stay in Tamara's room. That's all I'm getting from it.

Yeah, that's really the only takeaway that you can really have. She's just kind of blending into the background. She's a background character. So make her a friend of, if anything. She shouldn't be a standalone housewife because she can't stand alone. and then Heather's fake I don't even want to call it outrage but her fake confessional

saying oh I guess I'll just you know hang out you're so happy that you're alone let's be fucking incredibly honest be real as shit now Heather you are so happy that you get a whole room to yourself and you don't have to worry about it and you can go back to the room whenever you want

and then you can just kind of mix it in whatever you want to go to one of their rooms that's ideal I want to be in that position I know you want to be in that position so you don't really get to take umbrage even if it's fake or whatever, just for the professional about Jen and Tamara rooming together and Gina and Emily staying together. And then obviously Shannon and Vicki, it's fine.

It's going to be okay. You get a room to yourself. You're fine. I know you're fine. Yeah, she wanted that anyway. So that was all for not. But in Tamara and Jen's room, we get to talk about our favorite topic. Because Tamara brings up or Jen, it doesn't matter.

Somebody brings up. Emily says Shane makes her feel like a bad mom. and Emily's really been talking about her marriage. Shane's being really shitty to her. He makes me feel like a bad mom. He says I don't spend time with the kids. I asked him, what are you guys going to do when I'm in Tokyo?

And he said, the same thing I do all the time because I take care of the kids. Now, Jen, at the very least, we finally have a different response to all of this stuff. we've been doing this for like three seasons plus. No one's ever actually questioned anything ever. No.

Jen finally goes, is she doing enough when she has time? No, she's not. Shane, is it in any way productive to say when your wife asks you, what are you guys going to do when I'm in Tokyo? The same thing I do all the time because I take care of the kids?

No. That's not going to further anything either. Both of you suck at this. Neither of you like each other. You're not trying to have any resolve. Shane, I think part of you likes being the victim. I think you like being in this place where you're like, woe is me because you don't do anything to help yourself.

I'll give Emily the tiniest iota of credit. It's not even really credit. It's just a different way to look at things. When she gets mad because he doesn't come to the party and she's like, well, he doesn't do anything. I believe you, actually. I don't think he tries to do anything to make his life different. I don't think he tries to do things that he might enjoy

because he wants to carry the burden to throw it at you. Why? Because you also suck, Emily, because you really don't do anything. I truly believe that. I think when you get home, you go and scroll on your phone. Why? Because he said it for three years. So, in summation,

Shane, you're a little bitch and you're not doing anything to make your situation better and you're throwing it in your wife's face. Emily, you're not good at being a mom right now. Are you a bad mom? I don't know. I didn't say that. I said you're not being a good mom right now. Can you rectify that? You sure can.

And you have time. But you know what's going to ruin all of that? And this is jumping ahead a little bit to dinner. if you blame Luke for your marriage falling apart because that's what you're fucking doing. The stress of what you're both going through with Luke, is that the root? That's what Tamara asks.

Is that the root of it? Yeah. Shut up. That's literally blaming Luke. You guys are adults, figure it out, but don't blame what your son's going through on your marriage falling apart on TV,

no less. Like, what the fuck's wrong with you? Yeah, I have no fucking clue. And the reason that we haven't gotten into, this before is because she's never outright said all of the problems that are going on within her own household. She's kind of beat around the bush a little bit, had some comments here

and there talking about Luke. Obviously, nobody's going to touch that even Tamara. But this is a dangerous game to play. No one's ever asked a follow-up question because nobody gives a shit. Let's be very honest. No one in that cast gives a shit to sit there and lend you an ear for a while so that you can complain about your marriage because they don't care. And they probably think something's weird and they just don't want to get involved. But if you want to make this forefront, if you want to make this front and center and you start talking about it, and obviously Jen is a different person, she's not like the rest of the cast, she's going to show interest because she feels like it's a good talking

point. I will hate her forever for making this a big talking point because now she's talking to everybody else. And this is something, look, Emily is taking charge. I'm not going to blame Jen fully. I'm annoyed with her. But she talked to Jen first, then she gets to Tokyo. She's in the band with the rest of the women except for Vicki Shannon and Jen.

and she talks about it again in a very serious way. You're going to bring all of this up. Like we said, you've been talking about this for years, bits and pieces. It's not coming out the way that you think it is. You're trying to like kind of pass the buck onto Shane, but you are showing your ass so much to the rest of these women. They just have it give it a shit. But if you want to make this a storyline,

you're bringing it up to the wrong group. Vicki's going to get involved. Tamara's going to get involved. Shannon's going to ask a question that's, sounds like support, but in reality, it's just going to get you to give an answer that somebody's going to jump on. Like, you're in a bad place right now. If you're going to do this, you're not going to get, yes, up front, you're going to get

some questions that are mostly supportive and the rest of the women are trying to support you, especially when you cry for the first time, they're going to just, you know, lend you a helping hand, whatever. But eventually, when you keep talking about this, with all the information that you've already put out there, whether you know it or not, there's enough ammo there for someone to jump on it and call you out and basically say you're a bad mom in a bad way. That's where we're going.

I don't think Emily wants that smoke. Will it be somewhat interesting? Maybe for a second. Maybe for a second to see how the rest of the group actually processes the information. But if it's more of the same as we move forward, it's going to be intolerable, of course. But it's a dangerous game for Emily to play to really just put

it out there with all the other shit that she's done. Exactly. Exactly. And it's not going to land well because like you just said, Emily, if somebody in this group actually calls her a bad mom, she's going to have a full-blown meltdown and not like a fun melt. That's not a fun thing to watch somebody realize that, wow, I'm not doing enough as a parent.

Like, that's not a fun thing to talk about, let alone see on TV. And now that we're at dinner, we'll just kind of jump into all this shit. Tamara's trying and this is what happens when you don't give Tamara judge something to work with. And I can't even fault. her. She's trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. That rabbit just so happens to be Alexis. Because she's bringing it up again. And Heather's like, we don't have beef. She has beef.

Tamara's like, oh, you do have beef. And it's medium. I was like, don't do this. Don't end the season like this. I know you're struggling to find something to do. And it's not your fault. Nothing's happening. Don't force feed us, Alexis, for the love of God. We tried it for one episode. It floundered miserably. If we get back to OC and we have a lunch, between Heather and Alexis, I'm going to lose my mind. There's a part of me that thinks that we might get that. And there's just no need, right? I think that's where it's going. That's going to happen. Yeah, it's definitely going to happen.

And like, I can't get mad at Heather for doing that because she's being told to go have lunch with Alexis. What the fight? It's just, the season's over. The season is fucking over. It's been over for a long time. There's no reason to do this. You don't need to close the circle and everything.

That's the one thing that it comes to Bravo. There's so many good storylines that just never get an ending because it seems like they have a different agenda. When it comes to this show in Beverly Hills, they're like, we have to finish this up. Gotta wrap it up. You just, you don't. You can just move on.

Like, sort of like the, I guess maybe they are learning. Because the Carmela Jen thing, they circled back a long time later. They could have just never done it and we would have been fine. Like, you have to realize that that can happen sometimes. Yeah, no, that's actually a really good point. but that's when we get to the Shane and Emily stuff. Jen brings it up.

Emma's like, yeah, we're not great right now. And that's when Tamara's like, it's the stress of what you're both going through with Luke. And she like fully agrees. I was like, dude, I don't think you know what you're saying in that moment. But like there's ways to do that where you can say, yeah, look, we are under a lot of pressure.

I think this caught us all off guard. We aren't handling it well. And we're not prioritizing our relationship. We're trying to prioritize Luke. But we're juggling too many. fucking plates right now. We're not prioritizing each other. How much different does that? I literally just thought of that. I'm not married to you two fucking nitwits. Like I'm just here

talking about you guys because I have to because it's my fucking job. But that is night and day from anything that Emily has ever said about the situation. Every time that she has an opportunity to talk about Luke or talk about Luke's impact on their marriage or whatever it might be, it always comes out so bad and so like, my life is so hard because my son has problems. What about his life? And look, I don't like Shane, but what about your husband's life? Who does take care of the kids a lot more than you do?

As we know, and it's very well documented on this show, what about his life? He seems to be dealing with it a lot differently. And every time we talk about it with the two of you, you go on and talk about how we text you all the time and how brutal it is to leave the house. And you show us the text. texting you. Shane is home with Luke and going through things and trying to help him and trying

to abide by all of the doctor's orders, if you will. And we don't really, again, we don't know exactly the diagnosis. We don't know exactly what he's going through, nor should we. We just simply shouldn't know these things for a child. But you are doing your best to put it all out there only in an attempt to say, woe is me. Like in every fucking turn. So I'm just not going to listen to it. I just don't give a shit about her. No, exactly. And, you know, obviously we finally get to the root of what we're trying to get to, not we, but production and the show.

Any divorce talks? I brought it up. Shane hasn't. I'm the crazy one that gets pushed to the brink. He's snarky and takes shots at me and hurts my feelings and I'm sick of it. Yeah. Yes, he does. And no, that's not right.

But you are trying to paint a picture and you've been trying to paint a picture. And your best friend out to. Because at that table, Gina goes, Shane needs help. I think he's drowning at home with the kids. Maybe have somebody come in once a week or something. What she just did because she can't say flat out, yeah, you don't do enough. You're not a good mom. She can't say that to you.

She's your best friend. So she says this instead. But this is seeing the entire problem. She knows how you guys are at home. She knows the situation. and she confirms that Shane needs help. If Shane needs help, what can we deduce from that?

You're not pulling your weight at home, period. End of story, end of discussion. Gina, I don't even know if she knows what she did with that comment. It was so small and she tried to be as gentle as she could with it, but that just confirms you're not pulling your weight. Did Gina's comment at the end of the day get overshadowed by the end of her comment? because I think it may have. Like maybe we don't actually like if you're on that cast,

maybe you're like, wow, all right, Gina kind of coming to Shane's support. What did she say at the end there? If she has problems in the house, she throws money on it. Where the fuck did that come from? Where are you? I do think the end of that conversation, the end of that comment was like, oh, good point. What the fuck did you just say?

If you need help with laundry, you pay someone to do it. Who are you? What the hell is that? I don't think Heather might do that. I don't think anybody else in that cast who does better than you do is doing that. Like even Shannon with all of her financial problems, she's probably not even paying a guy to come over and do her laundry. She's probably doing it herself.

So where did that come from? I do think that's going to overshadow it. And I kind of hope and pray because we've had a lot of iterations of Gina over the years, mostly middle class. This is a funny one. I would laugh at this is her. Yeah. If she keeps talking like she's rich and we have.

conversations between her and Travis about picking between doing a nice wedding or getting a house, which, you know, there's no problem with that. Just not on a housewife show. But if that's what we're doing and you start acting like you have a lot of money now, that could be kind of fun. It could be a very fun. Not fun for us. It does.

Just just for that. Yeah. I'm with you on that one. But yeah, I don't know. Emily's saying I need validation that I'm a good mom and I'm doing the best I can. Are you though? are you because everything I've seen is you trying to get people to make you feel better about things that you know you're not doing you asked last year on the trip I feel like I should be at home

you should you're here right now you should probably be home if you want to fix the shit if not then fucking end it but yeah I got a shout out the so Tokyo and Japan is like number one on my list of like culinary where I want to go I need to get there at some point funnily enough, the 7-Eleven egg salad sandwich is very close to the top of the list of what I want to try in Tokyo. This is a very famous sandwich. And it's milk bread, by the way. That's why it's so soft and fluffy. And I'm assuming,

I'm assuming and hoping they're using Kupi Mayo, which is the greatest mayo on the planet is Japanese mayo. And my God, it's liquid gold. So, yes, that was a bright spot in this episode. I was like, it's the only,

it was the best part of the episode. I wanted to be in that 7-Eleven with them. That's up there like when you see TikToks of people in South Korea going into the convenience stores and just getting whatever the hell they want. I watched the shit out of those videos. So this is the only, this is the most relatable Tamer's ever been to me. Like, oh yeah, I watched a million videos on Instagram. I have to try this. This is delicious.

I'm like, good for you, Tamara, going out there to 7-Eleven and having an egg salad sandwich, which if that's all you say and that's sentence and you don't tell anybody else or give anybody else context, doesn't sound like the most appetizing thing ever. It sounds like a sausage, an airplane sauce on an airplane. But it is. Yeah. Yeah. So look, who is Tamara? I'll take that one.

Yeah, they put a lot of pride into their convenience store food. And I very much respect that. And Debbie Downer, not going out with the crew. Yeah. Of course she's.

Yeah. Welcome back. Homellows. Yeah. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. But we go to this little bar and we're drinking snake sake.

I'm not even going to comment on Gina sipping the alcohol. Apparently, I don't, whatever. I don't have the energy. But Emily, FaceTime, Shane. Why can't I see you? I don't know. I'll talk to you later. No, hi. How are you? Don't you feel the

animosity? And Gina, once again, I understand he's carrying a lot back home. This was the craziest fucking sentence. I understand he's carrying a lot back home, but she's carrying the guilt of not being home and really needs her partner to release her of that. What? No. No. No, go home. If it was, I don't think, in a way, I think especially this season, I think this might be one of those situations where the audience might know more than what the cast members even know, because we actually have those one-on-one scenes with Emily. In a nutshell, I don't think Gina's comment is super nuts.

Like, I do think it's like, hey, for a normal marriage. Yeah, it's like, I feel like bad on that home. It's okay. Yeah. If this was like a routine thing and we saw it and it's like, fucking hell, Shane. Like if we, we didn't have any questions

about Emily as a mom because of her own doing, of course. But if we didn't have any questions if we saw this, we'd be like, fucking divorce that little pipsqueak. I still think they should get divorced. I'm just throwing that out there.

But this is crazy behavior. It is still crazy behavior from Shane. But Gina's comment, yeah, in a normal marriage and a normal relationship, you'd be like, oh, like, yeah, I get it. He's making you feel bad for traveling. And you're traveling for work,

which we've had multiple conversations. about that before unless there's something else going on we're usually like yeah let's say you're traveling for work like you have to do these things you're supporting the family you're doing this or doing that whatever we can chalk it up to some other conversation that you guys are going to have towards the end of the season but yeah i don't know i just got that sneaky suspicion that we knew more about what's actually going on in their household than even jeaned it maybe you're totally right that is a very important distinction like normal situation where we're not questioning the the mother like you said yeah that'd be a shitty thing

like she's she's not to travel like you can pull your own weight and take care of the kids and watch them but knowing that last year when she was on a trip she's like i feel like i should be home and then this and everything that you're not doing at home it's like no don't absolve her of the guilt because all she's doing is fishing nonstop for people on the cast to say to her you're a good mom you're doing nothing wrong Shane's the problem but your whole cast has questions of how much you're doing it home Jen is questioning it. So I don't know. Like you're totally right. In a normal situation, that is a very reasonable request. In this situation, it's not. But no. We go to the temple at the end.

And of course, Gina went on a spiritual journey to Bali. So she is going to be our spiritual leader through this whole thing. We heard about that before. Yeah. We have. Yes. And of course, the one that she pulls your wealth will. With everything we saw this actually was funny to me.

And it is leaning further into the, fuck it. Sure. Let's do a rich Gina storyline of her. Yeah, why not? But hanging with the likes of a Heather Dubro who is fucking rich. That would be very funny. And for her to pull the fortune, wealth will grow large, marriage, employment, and starting a trip. Hell yeah.

And then she goes to her confessional, hey, for that to come up what I'm doing pretty well, that's pretty fuck. It's great. Hell yeah. That is great. You know what? I'm on board. You know, like,

good for you, you know, talk to it. You have talked to it. Go ahead. You have in a very weird and unexpected way. I'm on, I'm on board with whatever the hell you want to say.

And yeah, look, I'm not even, I don't even have the energy with this show to go into how the fortunes were picked because they were all like, look, fortunes in general, yes,

they are generalized enough where it can apply to a lot of different people in a lot of different ways. But these were all very, very on the nose. I mean, the people who you go to Shannon and it's like a man will come into your life and Gina has to have a comment about that whatever

Vicky talking about marriage in her life and she hated it because it's almost Tamara this was a bad comment maybe you wrote down exactly what she said but Tamara it's saying it's like you're going senile based on misfortune

knowing what we know about her brain scans it's just fucking mean like it's just brutal for her to do that so I do hope Vicky bites her head off I don't really have a whole lot of faith in that one, but I do hope she bites her head off. And then Emily, this fortune is wrong.

Your gem has no flaw, and it will listen better when you polish both marriage and employment. Good. And for Vickies, it was your mind doesn't stay still and it will lose right away. And that's what Tamara goes. It means you're going, she didn't say it sounds like.

She says, it means you're going senile, which knowing that she has spots on her brain, that's fucking dirty. Whatever anybody else got their fortune and it was bad, the whole group immediately says throw it in the fire then it won't come true that's the whole thing that's what we're doing here and then it gets to vicky and she gets that in time it's like ah it's like you're senile

you're going senile right brain scans remember that ha ha got you like no no look at least yeah it's look all right we lean into this for a sec okay maybe she really believes the fortune and we're going to get this is also sounds fucking terrible, but it's not as bad. But we're going to get her getting back to OC and working on her marriage. I would prefer that so much more. I would so much more prefer. And look, it's not going to make me feel anything.

I'm not going to have any feelings towards the whole thing. But it would be a lot better than them having a dramatic sit down talking about whether or not they're going to get separated or divorced or what are they going to do. If she comes back with like this new attitude because of this fortune, this sounds so outlandish. But maybe she'll come back and be like, you know what, Shane, we need to work on things because we need to polish our gem told me to we got to polish our gem and it's our gem not just my gem maybe i can hope i can pray that again if those are our choices yes i'm a hundred percent on board for that one versus what we are currently getting but i yeah yeah let's see

what you guys have to say about it uh uh j bay the hut seven one three why is this still happening we got to answer that every week uh marissa and palma also why is the show still long I wake up in the middle of the night screaming that. And Deb's like, are you okay? I'm like, sorry, I'm a night terror. I just wondering when OC is going to end. God. I actually, I had a nightmare last night that I was in a room with Gina and Emily.

And I tried to wake up, but I couldn't. It's awful. I'm talking about Emily's marriage. From Megan Harron. Don't join the big cast trip end game, question mark. You knew the assignment. No, talking about Carmela. This, and we talked a lot about it.

Extenuating circumstances, this is a very, very long trip. She does have a medical condition. And yeah, you can maybe key in on if it wasn't really the diabetes. It was more her being anxious about flying, her being anxious about leaving the kids at home. Yeah, that's a bigger conversation. But first big cast trip is Tokyo, first season. We've already got a well-documented history of all this. when you did your first trip in the beginning of the season.

Yeah, it might speak to the future and not in a great way for Carmela, but for now I'm willing to kind of just let it go. Yeah, I'll overlook this one. I do agree. It's a big miss to not go on it. We don't like to jump to conclusions about medical stuff because we don't know the severity of it.

So we're not going to overanalyze this one. We can say from a show standpoint, just strictly her future on the show, it's going to ding her a little bit. But if it was because of her, her diabetes, then who are we to say? Yeah, I agree. From Erica Baz Holland.

Is Teddy a potential OC friend of in the future, or does Bravo like her as a commentator? I'd be fine if she came back as a friend of. Yeah, I could see her as a friend of. I don't know, I don't think she'll ever go full time again, but I could definitely see her as a friend of. Yeah, and honestly, with this show, one of the biggest things that has been detrimental to it is that Tamara doesn't have a lot to work with.

And I do not like Tamara, but we say it all the time. We recognize what she does for the show. You can see what happens when she has nothing to work with. Alexis Bolino is back on our screen. So if Teddy and Tamara can put their heads together and just create chaos on this show, I would rather watch that. So I'm really cool with the Teddy return. Yeah, me too.

I will say this. The most condemning thing about OC is the lack of questions that we've gotten for it. I know. We don't get a ton of questions. And when we do, it's mostly just people saying, why is this show still on?

Like, we usually like for decent, even decent shows, we get countless questions. There's like 10 in here. Yeah. That's damning. People are just fucking over it.

Uh, let's just end on this one from Amy Labadea. Just cancel the show. give Heather and Terry their own rich as fuck spin off. Oh, yeah. I am game for that.

I would watch the shit out of the Dubro show. That's all I got to call up, the Dubro show. Yeah, that'd be great. So good because I always enjoy, and then we say that all the time. Heather's scenes when she's with Terry,

it's like we're watching a different show entirely. It is. At the show, the real housewife of Arge County, Heather Dubro. Oh, yeah. But yeah, uh,

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