Bros & Shows - Leave Jessel Alone! (Southern Charm Full Recap, RHONY Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

Whats up Bro's?! The Phillies just won game 1 of the Wild Card as I'm writing this, and the Bro's are AMPED UP! But I digress... On today's episode we're back in South Carolina with our Southern Charm crew. Tensions are high as Shep and Olivia start to question Austin and Taylor's relationship. New info comes to light when we find out that both Taylor and Austin discusses potentially dating just after the reunion filmed... Craig's store has taken a huge step forward as they signed a deal with Kroeger to sell his merchandise. The only negative is that he no longer will have the freedom to go back and forth to NYC when he wants. Will he and Paige finally decide on a home base? Rod sits down with Austin to let him know that he and Olivia have been hanging out and Austin clearly doesn't love it. But with the potential drama with Taylor, that won't be taking center stage. Then we're back with RHONY and Jessel and Pavit have finally set a date for a staycation to end their sex drought. Meanwhile, Jenna is getting back into the dating pool with a wonderful wingwoman in Brynn. The ladies head to Shooter's favorite, a sound bath, to do some self care. Jessel invites Sai to lunch and it is a very interesting scene. Sai won't give Jessel the time of day and all Jessel is trying to do is apologize if she made it seem as though she was comparing their upbringings. Sai is incredibly rude and dismissive throughout the entire lunch, and the cool girl act is getting old. Will those two be able to move forward, or is this the start of an ongoing feud? All that and more on our midweek episode! Time Stamps: Southern Charm (10:52) RHONY(48:23) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host.

Russell, joined as always by the one and only Red October Magoutes. What's up, pal? Red October it is, huh? This sure is. We're back at it and still holding a grudge over the Phillies for not inviting us to their influencer day, but I'm still going to cheer for the team. Yeah, definitely going to still root for them. I think this is a warning to them, you know?

Hey, guys, get us in the mix. Yeah. We are die hard fans. Yeah. God damn it. Die hard. Die hard, indeed. Die hard.

So die hard, in fact, that I've been hung over since Sunday, drinking all day for the birds that I'm going to have to turn around and go out and celebrate the Phillies being in the playoffs again. It's just, look, it's a rough stretch. Last year, I kind of remembered it got like PTSD. One of our friends and me were we were chatting about the whole thing.

It's a rough stretch, especially when the birds are playing this well and there's so much sports on. It's like every weekend and then you think you get a reprieve? No, you get the Phillies playoffs during the week. It's so funny for a long time. That you said that because again, I don't drink. I have to remind everybody of that. every time I do one of these, but

I don't drink, and I remember last year the stretch of games, there was one week where we had a birds game on Sunday, there was a Phillies playoff game every day of the week during the week day, and I think that was the Saturday game for the birds that same week. I think there was six straight days, and correct me if I'm wrong,

but it was like a six-day stretch of birds, Phillies, Phillies, Phillies, birds. Yeah, yeah, no, it was definitely something like that. No, do you know what it was? It was game of the World Series, or two of the game of World Series. I think, maybe, was the same night as the Eagles playing on a Thursday night. Oh, yeah.

So you had to go like double TV, and I remember I was, I was dead. Yeah, I think everybody was. I was dead and I don't drink. And like, it's just like the, I think the thing that people don't get what really gets you is the adrenaline crash. Because if you haven't been to a playoff game at Citizens Bank Park or a World Series game at Citizens Bank Park, it is unrivaled in all of sports. It is the craziest atmosphere. here. Everyone's so into every pitch that when you leave there, it feels like the biggest come down ever. Like trying to like reacclimate to society is almost impossible. I was depressed

for like three weeks after everything, not only because we lost, but I think just because you were used to getting up and having that adrenaline every day. And then you one day just didn't have it any. Yeah, that serotonin rush really crushes it. Yeah, I know. And it puts things into perspective looking at the ticket prices in this capitalistic market we have here. The Phillies to get in the door, it's like $2.20. All the other games combined are like 50 bucks. It's like 13, 7, and 20.

Just to get in the door. Yeah, no, okay, that makes a lot of sense. But, you know, here we are. Just trying to live, you know. Just trying to get us through. Just trying to get through life. And look, I mean, we talked about it already. O.C.'s on tomorrow night. The reunion, I'm pumped for it.

You know, the Phillies are playing at 8 o'clock. I'm going to have to record the Phillies game and watch it at like 11 o'clock at night. My issue with this joke is that you made this joke when you walked into my house today. I didn't even give you a reaction. I didn't say a word. I just kept setting up the podcast because it's not funny. I think if you gave a reaction, I wouldn't have to do it here.

Now I'm putting you on blast. You're putting yourself on blast. Look, everybody knows I'm kidding. Yeah, ha-ha. What do you want from me? Continue the joke. Talk about how we're going to sit down and we're going to have some like chamomile tea or something. It's a dumb bit.

It's a dumb bit. It's a dumb bit. All right. We're going to be watching the Phil's tomorrow. We're going to watch the Rosey reunion on Peacock. Is it one or two parts? Do we know yet? It said part one, so it's got to be two.

If it's three, I'm not watching the third. Do you think? Should we do that? We will watch two. No, I think that's entirely fair. I think that's more than you can ask us to do. Look, I'm already talking about how if part one is as bad as I think it's going to be, and they're just screaming the whole time, not making any sense and not getting anywhere

because there's nothing to really talk about. Who cares? If it sucks that bad, I'm going to threaten to not watch the same. second part if there's a third part no chance i think that's not happening that's a reasonable premise especially with you know here's the issue it's a big one for for orange county especially with the season that they had salt lake is great southern charm is great ronies had a couple of clunkers the past couple weeks but it's still an entertaining show like bravo's putting out good material right now leading into november which is like did you see the lineup we're going to have to watch so many

shows and I'm excited for a lot of them like Beverly Hills is coming back which is like our crown jewel just because I think it always will be since we started with Beverly Hills it's always going to hold a special place in our heart so OC's come our opening music will finally be relevant yeah our opening music will finally kind of make sense not really because Rina is still in there but like I'm not going to change it simply because one of our commenters asked me to and I refuse to because I'm an idiot and I'm stubborn but I think that's a big issue that OC ran into is a lot of people were into it as they pointed out in the comments for a majority of the season. A lot of people started to echo our sentiment towards the end, especially the last

few episodes with like the Heather Witch Hunt that was going on. And now they're going up against some really good shows. So it's like, I think the reunion's going to not do great. I could be wrong. And I'll, I'll eat my words. I am. It's a Wednesday night. And there really isn't like if you're not a sports fan, which is, you know, realistic. Well, hey, there's a lot more sports fans now thanks to Taylor Swift. Exactly. There truly is, but... They had the biggest number of viewers since the Super Bowl.

I know. Watching that Chiefs game. It's so funny. I think it's great. And the refs just, like, made sure that the Chiefs won. That I had an issue. So bad. That I had a problem.

The funny fallout from that is if the Chiefs lose to the Jets, real Chiefs fans are going to get so angry and blame Taylor Swift. I know. That's what they don't want. The NFL can't have that. The NFL is putting on all of their socials. they've got Taylor Swift everywhere. They're using it.

I mean, look, why wouldn't you? They're both using each other, which is fine. Like, again, I really do not care. But yeah, you go to commercial break and it's like, here's the Taylor Swift movie that's coming out. Okay, now back to the NFL. There's Taylor Swift up in the suite. They're not showing, like, the coach or anybody's reaction on the field after a touchdown.

They're showing her box, which is like hilarious. They're leaning into it. I have no, I really have no issues with it at all. I think it's cool. I think it's great to get, like, new football fans out there. If, if, let's say there's, out of ten, the chiefs don't need any more fans. They don't, no, the chiefs don't, but if there's 10 people that are out of 10, right, if two of them continue to watch football when the Taylor Swift stuff dies down two for every 10, and that's like an increase in football viewership, I'm all here for all the new Swifties out there that are watching football, welcome. We're happy to have you.

I think it's great. I think it's really a funny crossover and especially for me and you who are still, like, been in that crossover section of sports and Bravo, like pop culture and sports. I think it's fucking perfect. So all the Swifty's out there, welcome to football. We're happy to have it. The funny thing is, I think her international tour starts in November

because my biggest grape was going to be, and I've been thinking about it, that Monday night game in Kansas City, Eagles Chiefs. If she showed up with one of those split Kelsey jerseys, I would lose my mind. Yeah, we can't, as Eagles fans. I actually would respect it more

if she just wore Travis Kelsey's or like a cheap shirt or something. But no, she's going to be on tour, so I don't think she's going to be. at that game. All right, well, maybe that loophole. It's going to die down, is what I'm saying. Like, next couple of weeks. I don't think she's going to the next couple of weeks.

But anyway, let's get back to the Bravo. Oh, yeah, Bravo. We need to do our power rankings for the week. Yeah, honestly, there was a good segue in there, and then we started talking about Taylor Swift. But I do think, and you kind of alluded to the lineup coming in November, I think that if Bravo can hit at the clip that they're hitting at right now, where we've got, what do we have, four active shows right now?

So we're looking at, like, a 75% clip. with OC being a real clunker. Roney is good. It's good enough that even in the bad weeks, I can put it on and not like, you pay attention obviously because we're going to talk about it. But I mean, like,

I'm not super entertained the entire time, which is fine. That's actually what these shows are supposed to be for. It's supposed to have really entertaining times. And then the rest of the time, it's like, yeah, you know, it's on in the background

and I don't mind checking in and seeing what's going on here. So that's kind of where Roney is right now, and that's where it's been for the last couple of weeks. Southern Charm and Salt Lake have come through so nice, um southern charm is always going to have a little bit more of a special place in my heart so i've got

the number one salt lake two rony three and uh whatever that last one is is wherever it is i'm going salt lake one i'm i'm really enjoying salt lake i think monica is a superstar in the making if she continues at this rate obviously there are pitfalls to housewives that she needs to avoid to maintain this rise to stardom that she's currently having but ross lick one i'm going southern charm two it's had a great start like just exceptional honestly with the drama that's brewing right now you might hate j t i think he's fantastic for tv i really do um it's just a good start to the season and then rony three because of the clunkers we've had for the but like you said like here's my my thing with rony is it top notch right now no

there's just a couple things that are like mildly frustrating I guess but it's not bad it's fine like it's totally fine I'll take there's not going to be great episodes every single week so I'll take I'll take a down week where I'm not like all right this one sucks you know what I mean yeah and I think that we look we just got off of a girl's trip so obviously we're going to have those individual conversations and not everybody in a group right I can't relate to that anymore with than possible because when you go on a trip with a bunch of your first friends, the last thing I want to do is hang out with those friends like the next week. You know what sucks?

I want to see you guys in a week or two. You know it sucks? We have to see each other twice a week. Regardless. Yeah, I know. That's different, though. We can separate business from pleasure. Pleasure.

Hey, don't threaten me with a good time. Now we're talking. All right, let's, well, we get started. I didn't even rank OC, by the way. Oh, yeah, I know. Don't even mention it, honestly. All right. Let's, let's dive in.

Number four, Phillies games. Actually, no, number four, the rest of the MLB playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. And then OC unranked. Yeah. They're off my APP power rankings. But that takes us to Southern Charm, and this was a polarizing episode.

If you want to use some good adjectives, polarizing would be a great one to describe it, because this shit is real. This tension is palpable between Taylor and the rest of the group, honestly. But what do you think about this season thus far? Like, how's the kickoff for you? Well, there's actually, so there's new work. words that were added to the dictionary. Did you see that? Yeah, John was put in there. Well, no, that was,

John was a couple of months ago. The new ones is, I think it's simp, bussing, cap, and something else. I don't want to do this. I hate those words. Well, I would say, I would say this season, the Southern Charm was bussing. I fucking didn't see it. It's just good vocabulary.

I didn't see it coming. Damn it. Stupid ass. Oh, that's cap. Yeah, there you go. Nice, dude. Nice. Now you got it. No, no, I really do. I think that this this season specifically like last season had its ups and downs which is normal it's fine but it's just so nice and different where we've been focused on housewives so much that you get a completely different element and we needed that and i've thoroughly enjoyed the first three

episodes here and obviously we're getting so many different dynamics and there's new people popping up and j t is what jt is i know we're going to start there um but at the end of the day it's still an enjoyable episode of something that i actually look forward to looking or actually look forward to watching every week. Something that as soon as I turn it on, I know it's going to have my attention the entire time, and that's all you can really ask for. That's a good way to put it because there are moments,

especially with a show like OC where it's a chore, right? I'm like, fuck, I have to watch this. Beverly Hills last year, too. It's not just O.C. I know. No, no, no. And that... Yeah, Beverly Hills, or sorry,

OC is getting the hate right now because it's on. But yeah, Beverly Hills on the 28th episode of last season was a trudge. Like, there are certain ones that we get to and we're like, all right, all right. But, yeah, Southern Charm is a nice little relief. So let's jump right into this episode. We start out at your boy JT's apartment, and he's FaceTiming with his mom, and he's a mama's boy. And that's, like, the least surprising news ever.

And pretty much everything in this scene, I assumed about JT, not diabetes. I'm not saying I assume that. I assumed he had diabetes. I didn't assume that. What I mean is, like, the fact that he is a real estate guy, or he's a real estate developer and renovator and things like that, I will say it. I would love to check in with him now because his biggest business is Airbnb in Charleston, which I imagine at the time was very lucrative. Airbnb is tanking right now.

Are they really? Yeah, it's not doing great because people are making the move back to hotels. It's not nearly as profitable. It's going to be cyclical, I'm sure. I would imagine. Adjust a couple of things. You know what the biggest problem with Airbnb is that you can name your own price. Yeah.

You make your own price point depending on what you think your house is worth to stay in. It was never sustainable. But look, I mean, I respect somebody who's got business. Now, obviously, he had money to start off with because his mom's very prominent up in, where was it, D.C. Virginia. I think she has an interior design business in D.C. Oh, that makes sense. And that's where he, like, learned everything from. And it's a smart move, honestly.

Like, if you want to go stage a couple of places to do photo shoots and then you want to go do some Airbnbs and stuff and you want to kind of like hunker down to Charleston, great spot to do that. A lot of bachelor, a bachelor at parties going down there. A lot of people visiting for the weekend, a lot of people commuting out there. So it makes a lot of sense. And I feel like with Charleston, there's such like a specific Charleston vibe that if you make your Airbnb out to be that, people are going to pick that one every time.

For sure. Very Charleston-y, like colors, pastels, like things like that. A little old, little exposed brick. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. So I can separate the art from the artist, if you will. Nice. In the sense that I respect what he's doing business-wise. It sounds like he's got a good head on his shoulders

or at least he's got people in his corner that are telling him what to do. That's fine. Him saying mommy 15 fucking times is the most cringe shit. that I've seen on Bravo in a while. When adults call their parents mommy or daddy, I really don't like it. No.

It really makes me, like, cringe, and it just makes me uncomfortable. There's just something to it. Like, just call them mom or dad. I would even be more comfortable with you calling them by their first name than mommy or daddy. They're just, eh, just, yeah, no, it's the whole time. Like, I get it. Like, he dropped it once. If he dropped it as a joke, it's one thing, but he kept doing mommy.

No. Even you're saying it right now is making me uncomfortable. Yeah, I know, and I'm talking about somebody else's mom, so there you go. But moving on from there, where you get some pedicures with the boys, and I got to ask, have you ever gotten a pedicure? No. Yeah. Would you? Yeah.

So I have this idea for us. I'm afraid that, like, it would tickle too much and that I'd kick the person in the face, but, you know. No, I think that's a reasonable fear. Tell you from experience. I'll get in that story in a second. But I have an idea, all right, for, like, some off-brand stuff for us to do. Okay. So every time that, like, we see dudes trying stuff on Bravo.

And there was another example in, shoot, what was it? Was it O.C. this week or? The anima? No. Jesus Christ. No, no, no, no. Weird way to bring that out. No, no, no, no, no, I don't want to try that with you.

But my point is I want to. The ID later? No, no, it was Roney. It was the sound bath. So here's my idea. No, no, I know, I know, I know, I know. I know you don't like them. My point is I want to get somebody.

to film us doing some activities that the Bravo casts are doing and put that on YouTube and see people like that. Like, me and you're going to get a pedicure and just, like, filming that. Me and you're going to do a sound bath and your reaction to it. Like, I sound off in the comments if that's something that you think would be funny

because I think it's a funny premise, but it could also totally flop. Are we streamers now, too? Like, chat, no, no. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I want to know because, like, that would be, to me, it's funny, but I could also.

to see people be like, we don't care that much about you, too. So let us know. But anyway, Petty with the boys, I have gotten one pedicure in my life, and it led to the worst ingrown toenail ever because I got it during spring training. And then I was catching like 10 bullpens a day. And because of how they cut my nails, it literally was excruciating. They had to pull it out as a whole thing. So I'm anti-pedicure forever, not because I think I'm too manly to get one by any means.

It's because I got one, and it led to a really bad experience. So I'm out on pedicures. just listening to Craig talk about it and look Craig you do whatever you want but i know you're doing well in life right now but talking about like oh no i do like a little light blue on my pinky over here you know no no no no no no no any any nail color on your hand no i'm out that's where i draw the line i like it sounds like he was doing the clear thing on his foot for protection yeah preventative measures so that they look clean all the time i don't know maybe he's got a feet finder who the hell knows. But, yeah, I draw the line at the, yeah, I get, it's, it's too Sandoval.

And I'm just out. Oh, that's a fair. Okay. With the Sandoval thing, okay, I get it. Callie. I don't have an, I would never do it. I have no problem with it. Like, if you think you can go for it, I think it's a really tough look to pull off. But if you think you can, you know, that's your product. Like my niece wants to paint my nails or something. That's a completely different thing. That's a different story. Completely different. But hey, you know, do you, boo-boo. I don't give a shit. But they're recapping the boys night and, uh, Shep, who was seemingly, you know, towards the end of the night, he was definitely getting more skeptical and more upset about the situation.

He's had a night to think about it. And he's really uncomfortable with the Austin and Taylor relationship, as he should be. And he asked Craig, like, do you think anything's going on because I'm sitting at like 50-50 right now, which is pretty damning. Yeah. And this is a very interesting tidbit that I think we should have been party to

way before, and maybe I'm not because I haven't watched previous seasons. apparently Austin has a history of this where he goes after exes and hooks up with them he did it to Craig he's done it to Shep to the point where they show a clip of Shep and him having a conversation

and once again I fault Shep for a lot and I do not like Shep when it comes to how he handles his friends he seems like a good dude in that respect only because in the conversation that we see with him and Austin in the past

where he was like I heard you were hanging out with this girl you knew I was into her in the future can you please like come to me first he still doesn't blow it up out of proportion like he he seems to have his friend's backs or at least does not want to damn them for doing stupid shit to him right yeah chef at least this season shows glimpses of actually being a good dude i think i think this could just be a difference between like why obviously we were watching what he was doing in that relationship last year and you're like dude what are you fucking doing the entire time and he gets to the point where you were very annoyed and hated talking about

another charm because of Shep. Yep. But now it's like, you're kind of starting to feel a little bit bad for him because he does kind of look like a puppy dog. We know what's going on. We know how the tale of relationship was and everything. But you see him in this moment and when he's talking to Olivia, you're like, oh, dude, like, you're trying. You're just kind of lost.

You don't really know what the hell's going on and you do not know what to do. I did think it was kind of funny that his, now obviously, I guess he lives right down the street from Olivia over an aisle of Palms or wherever they are. and the idea that the night after her we get to talk about how Taylor and Austin are hanging out he goes and hangs out one on one he goes and hangs out of the same thing but like I think that was actually innocent and I think that was fine because apparently Olivia's parents were like yeah chef lives right down the street he can help out and do this and whatever and he came over and drop some pheasant off which is and put a light up and for me also like just saying that out loud

at no point am I like oh man maybe Olivia and Shep are going to hook up like I know I know Olivia definitely not to the point where it's just saying that out loud at no point where it's like she's not going to bang Shep. I knew, I knew that light bulb, by the way, was going to turn on as soon as he screwed it in. I knew that power wasn't off. Oh, no. Yeah.

No, I never was waiting for it. I've done it once where the light bulb exploded upon connecting. Yeah, that was scary as shit. But regardless, it seems like, and Shep alludes to it as well, like, it almost seems personal where, like, if you continue to target X's, like, that says a lot about you. And that says to me, like, during their. relationship, you were clearly putting out some vibes.

And we saw that a little bit with Taylor last year, that scene where they were shopping for shoes. And he's like, you're like a sister to me. And we both are like, that's inappropriate. This is weird. So you know what? It might be a pattern with them where it's like, you know, I hate to say, I don't like the way that Shep words things where he's like, you want what like I have and like compares women

to toys in a sandbox. But I understand what he's trying to say where it's like, you want something that is not yours. Like this is not your relationship. And for some reason, you covet. that covet thy neighbor if you yeah i mean there's a lot of patterns i mean you could also kind look deeper and say maybe shep's allowing his girlfriend to get like it's a tough thing to even say honestly but like if he's done this in the past and you're still seeing like all right

austin is getting to the point where he's really close with my girlfriend you know you you want that you want your friends to be friends with your significant other of course friends sure friends sure but not like talking about how there's, like, brother and sister and going shoe shopping one-on-one together. Like, that's a little weird. And if that's happened a bunch of the past, you kind of have to sit down and have a talk and be like, if you start dating a girl, and I call you and like, hey, we just went shoe shopping together. I'd be like, did you get me anything? And the answer is probably no.

I'm just saying, like, you, nobody would be thrilled at that scenario. No, definitely not. So I don't know. But let's keep going because the next scene is atrocious. We get Austin who had called Taylor the minute he woke up and was hung over and invited her over for an IV treatment. Now, any reasonable human being after the night that you just have, the last person you think you'd call to invite over is the person that is under question because that seems like a really shitty idea. But Austin does not seem to care about any of that stuff. So he invites Taylor over for like a hangover IV.

she shows up and even the way that they're hanging out together. And I know I'm nitpicking, but I'm going to because we're trying to get to the bottom of this. It's so comfortable. It's so much to me like a couple hanging out after a big night out. Like, oh, let's just lounge on the couch. We'll have some coffee. Like, let's recap.

It's not friendly. To me, that doesn't seem like two friends shooting the shit. To me, that seems like there's more there immediately just by how they, like, act around each other. Yeah, you know what the one sentence that Austin said was that kind of stood out to me was, Because as soon as Taylor got there and he was finishing his coffee, he even said, let's go sit over by the couch because it's going to be much more comfortable for us. Yeah. Like, that's weird.

Like, who talks like that? Somebody trying to fuck somebody. Let's go. Let's go over here. Any of those sentences are fine. Let's go relax. Once you start, like, once you start describing the comfortability of the room and where you're going to be, a little weird, a little weird. Let's go sit down on something a little more comfort.

Yeah. Let me slip into something a little more couch comfortable. Yeah. No, I didn't like it, but they're sitting there and they're recapping their evening. And this, to me, also screams that there's something going on because she makes a point to immediately the first thing she brings up is that she met a guy. And to me, that's trying to convince either the viewers, yourselves, or each other that there's nothing going on here. Because we talk about dudes, we talk about other people. So clearly, we're not hooking up.

And she talks about this guy she met and then goes through her big three. her big three are funny smart and must love jesus good big three it's a big three you have a problem with that big three i don't know man it just seems a problem with the j man no i don't do you is it's your prerogative my my issue is everything to me seems like she's calculated in her answers she's calculated in the timing of it bringing up the guy in general to me was a weird timing and then do you think that there's a little bit of i i don't want to use a bigger word here, but do you think that they're kind of manipulating it a bit

in the sense that do you think that Austin texted Taylor before that phone calls and hey why don't you come over here, cameras are here we'll get an IV and we'll kind of talk about this. This is what happened last night so let's throw them off the trail a little bit. Let's just hang out as friends and tell me about like a guy that you just met and you want to hook up with. I'll tell

you about my girl problems and maybe that didn't make it to the edit. I could see that happening. I could see that. I could see it because he seemed sneaky. That's the thing with this show all the time is I feel like I give them more credit than where it's due. A lot of times they're just idiots. I think that I think that's it. And if we're going the idiot route on this, then I actually believe that Taylor met somebody and isn't throwing anybody off the scent. They're just truly confused about what relationship

they have. That could be it. I do believe she met somebody. Yeah. It's not under question for me. I do think, and like, look, is Austin slimy enough to send that text or have that phone call beforehand? 1,000%. Is he bright enough to do that? Like you said? I don't think so. I don't think so either. Like in their mind, like they are trying to throw people off the trail. Whether there's a trail to follow or not, I think they're doing the most to try to cover their tracks, even if it's just covering their friendship tracks, because again, even if you go to Shep or Olivia and say, yeah, Taylor was at my house this morning doing an IV drip with me recapping the night, they would have an issue as anybody would.

Yeah, I think they would. And you can tell that Olivia is a little confused about it too when it gets brought up later. Sure. Nobody really knows how to make their friendship, like what it means to anybody, let alone the two of them. So clearly they've got issues. The most damning thing to me is Olivia says, I wouldn't bring it up to Olivia that I slept over here. And I wouldn't bring it up to her because I think it would make her feel uncomfortable. If that's the sentiment, if you know that, then you should not do it.

If that is your girl, that's your friend. You guys have been paling around together, apparently inseparable, to the point that you're calling other's sisters, if you would not tell her about something, then you have gone too far. And you answered your own fucking question. Yeah, I agree with that. But moving forward, we get to, I called it a tea party at Venitas because they're spilling tea. You like that?

And it's kind of set up like a tea party, even though they're not drinking any tea. But it's Leva, Madison, Taylor, and Olivia. And I finally figured out what Vanita's role is on the show. Benita's role is bringing people together for things to blow up. It happened last year at the engagement party. It happened, or I guess their quote unquote joint birthday party. Yeah, even you're calling it. Yeah, see?

And it happens here at her little party where they're sitting around and just chit chatting. This is Vanita's role. She's the- She does. It has a very nice little party. It is. But if that's what she brings to the table for now until she kind of finds whatever route she's going to take on this show.

Right now, she's the bridge between Madison and the. the rest of the group right and that's also you know obviously leva has her own thing going on with all our businesses and a different show sure so she's going to show up a little bit here and there and we're okay with that look i mean leva was great a couple years ago we kind of see the writing on the wall like she's moving out she's going to her other show that's great but madison's still a force within this show and she's not really that connected to olivian taylor you still have to have vina in there because venita's going to have the parties where i'm going to bring madison over and we're all going to talk otherwise it's like i can't see

Olivia calling up Madison and saying, hey, why don't we go grab some coffee? Well, she would because they have to for production, but it seems more scripted. But let's not forget that last year they hated each other. I know. Because of the Austin thing. So, like, there's got to still be a little bit of animosity there. I know that Madison's doing this whole housewife thing where she's turned a new leaf. The same Madison is still in there somewhere and we get a little hints of it.

We got a hint where the dog. She's alluding to it a lot in her confessionals. So I think it's going to pop up at some point. I hope it does. You know, you get really good for the shell. That little stinger where Taylor's talking about her dog being in heat. And she's like, oh, she just like put her ass up towards him, like Charles Vanita's dog. Yeah.

And she's like, oh, where'd she learn that from? And I'm like, ooh. And that's like, that's what that's does us. But then she said definitely not her mom. Yeah, exactly. Definitely not her mom. But at the same time, you're like, hmm, I know what you're doing there because she brings it up later. But they start discussing like Austin and this is ridiculous.

Austin walked up to Olivia while she was on. a date with another guy and I guess she made out with him and he walks up and like inserts himself into the situation and then introduces himself to the guy and then says I didn't take you for a AAA kind of girl like shitting on this guy because he's a AAA based pulp player which is the most insecure shit I've ever heard like why do you need to go over there and assert yourself yeah and that a thousand percent happen I do believe all of that I fully believe that that exactly happened I literally out of verbatim yeah no I think that's exactly what he said I think it was as off-putting as it comes off to us.

It's like, what are you hoping to accomplish there? You make it out with dudes out here in the open. Yeah, well, yeah, of course he's going to say that. Like, what a fucking moron. And by the way, guy, you're the one that fucked this whole thing up. You have no dog in this fight. You are not allowed to say things like that to her because she tried to extend another chance to you and after a week, you were out.

And we're starting to find out why. And it's because Taylor was in the mix and Taylor was in the picture. And we'll get there. I don't want to jump in too soon. but they're telling Taylor it's like how to squash her shit with Craig and it makes total sense like the overall sentiment being hey we know you're scorned by Shep unfortunately for you you come off the bad guy when you react the way you do right or wrong we understand that he's the one that's at fault here but when you

lash out the way you do it it looks bad on you not him so the way to go about this is to live your best life act like you don't give a shit go out there, put your best foot forward. Instead, Madison points out, we're seeing, or sorry, Benita points out that we're seeing a different tailor. This is not who we've seen in the past. You're acting differently. It's off-putting because you're doing things that you wouldn't normally do, and I'm going

to take it to a whole different level and say, and I don't think it's the same situation by any means, but who else did we see this year that was acting entirely different than the person we've seen in seasons past, come to find out, there's a lot of sketchy shit going on behind the scenes, Raquel. Yeah. Right? So, like, because we watch these people so intimately and see how they tick, when they're off and then the group points out that they're off, there's usually more skeletons

in that closet. That's all I'm going to say. But Madison finally points out, and this is why she's great for the show, because she'll say it. And the conversation is Taylor defending Austin, and that's the least surprising news ever. She's like, you know, Austin is just a really good friend. He's not a great boyfriend, blah, blah, blah. Madison's like, he is low-key in love with you.

Until I was like, what, no. And I'm sure part of her is happy to hear that. But the most interesting part is Olivia comes to her defense and goes, no, I get their relationship. I've actually appreciated having a middleman between Austin and I. She kind of bridges this gap for us, which is nice. They were friends before I came into the picture. I hope that they're friends after.

Like, I respect and I condone this relationship. Who else said that? Oh, fuck, Ariane. No, where did she get that from? Oh. She just had a conversation with somebody who said that almost exactly. Shepp about Taylor. That's right.

Said that same thing to Olivia. I really value your friendship. You're kind of bridging the gap between the two of us so that I can make sure that she's okay and I like your friendship and I wish you guys the best. Olivia the very next week says the same thing. It's the perfect cover. I think that Shep is being genuine but Shep is keeping an eye on Taylor.

Not in the sense that like he wants her to be happy in the sense that like I don't want her to fuck like me up even further and i would have keep my distance with like keeping an eye on her olivia just took that from him and just said that in that moment so i'm like i don't interesting but regardless she seems unbothered or at least wants to paint the picture that she's unbothered but moving forward we get to check in with craig and sewing down south and i will always in forever point out how proud i am of craig for sewing down south because of the shit that he got from Naomi back in the day about, boy, we just going to sit at your sewing machine and sew

because that was such horse shit from her. And now he's on the home shopping network. They just got a big deal with Kroger, so he's going to be in all these stores. He's opening up a warehouse. It is a incredible business that he's built off of sewing and fuck Naomi for shitting on his dreams. And I'm so

happy for him that he's able to push this shit to the next level. And we do get a very, very interesting fact here. Because they're going to make this move into Kroger stores, and because the demand is going to be so high, he will not be able to back and forth it from New York anymore. He wanted to spend the whole summer.

A whole summer there. And I guess that guy is like a business manager. I don't know who that man is or what his role is. He's probably the main investor, I would imagine, or head of operations or something like that. Something big to the point where that guy's like, not even like a soft, like, I will see. It's a firm, absolutely not. We do not have the time for you to be bopping back and forth from New York. You definitely can't take months off to go up there because the demand.

do I, which is a good problem to have, but at the same time, I think we're setting up a very difficult conversation for Craig. I don't think it's going to be a difficult conversation for Paige. And here's an interesting thing, because when we said a few weeks ago that the clear move is for her to go down to Charleston, everyone's like, well, you shouldn't follow a man and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I agree. Like, we're not saying that it's the woman's job to follow the man by, like, any

standards. I'm not saying that at all because I understand where that could bite somebody in the ass. Sure. My point is his stuff, his business is brick and mortar. He has a headquarters. She has the flexibility to do her job from other places. That doesn't mean that she has to make that move if she doesn't want to. Yeah. But that means the relationship has to end. You can't have a long if she's not willing to make the move, right? He physically can't. His business is down there. He can't close-up shop after they've hit Kroger, Home Shopping Network, X, Y, Z. That, it's just a much more tangible thing than her business in which she can do from a remote location because a lot of it's virtual.

I'm not saying she has to make the move. If she wants to stay in New York, that's her prerogative. Don't follow him down to Charleston. Fine. But if you want the relationship to continue because of the details, he can't live in New York. He simply cannot. Yeah, no, it's a really good point. And I think that honestly, this situation is a blessing and disguised for their relationship.

Otherwise, they're going to be yo-yoing back and forth, not really defining anything, not saying, okay, I'm going to move down here. You're going to move wherever. We're going to spend the whole summer together and figure this out. Like, no, you've spent enough time to figure this out. It's going to force the issue. The answer should be there already, and it's not. We've talked about this in the past. Like, you either know or you don't know.

And if you don't know and you're not willing to budge anywhere and you're not willing to move, then you can, kind of know the answer to it already. You're just not saying it out loud. This kind of forces their hand. He will not be able to go. Now, obviously, he can still do weekends, I imagine, some of them. But it didn't look like they have a huge crew. They have a lot of demand.

And to whoever that guy is, the head of operations, said, we're going to hit, like, three or four setbacks. I already know that's going to happen. I think he's being modest. I feel like it's probably going to be like five or six. There's a lot of fucking things going on there. A lot of moving parts. Craig has to be there for all of it.

Otherwise, he's got no accountability within his own company. and that's not a good thing to do. So he's going to have to stay in Charleston for the most part. He might be able to bop up for a weekend, but there won't be full weeks up there ever this whole summer. So deal with it and have the conversation. It forces you to, now Craig wants to have that conversation.

He's tried to have that conversation. Page kind of pushes him off here and there and here and there and whatever and then starts crying about how she doesn't want to leave her mom. That's also fine. It's fine. Everything is fine. But if the relationship's not going to work because you guys are states and states away from each other,

then it's just not going to work. And then maybe at some point in the next year, year when things calm down and Craig can hire somebody to do his day-to-day operations and he can kind of sit back and collect the money from all of his work that he's done for the last couple of years, he may be able to find each other again. But right now, it's not going to work. This forces that conversation. And I think we're going to get it in the next couple of weeks. I do too. And it's going to be interesting to see which way it goes. I do firmly think that page would be fine with it continuing on the way it is for an extended period of time.

It's just not good for Craig's psyche. I don't think so because Craig's ready to take that next step again that does not mean that page should fold and give in if it's not what she wants you should do what she wants to do but i think it's reached a point where a decision has to sit in that gray area anymore yeah it's not good for both of their six right for her and for him because if he wants to move forward with her and she's not ready that's fine that's her prerogative do what you got to do page live your life in new york no shame in that do you boo boo boo but he's got to make a move so i'm i'm glad they're forcing it because it's time and everyone's like it's only been a year Yeah, but it's a year in reality TV time, which means that we need the shit to move forward.

We cannot continue to talk about this. But moving forward from that, we get Austin and Rod, and they're meeting for drinks. And I do think this was a forced scene by production. Like, you guys need to sit down and hash this out. But I like Rod. I said I liked Rod last week, and he takes the time to at least tell Austin, like, hey, man, here's the situation. I've been hanging out with Olivia. I like Olivia.

We might have made out a little bit. I'm coming to you man to man. just to put it out there so you don't get blindsided by it. Austin's reaction is that of a child. He doesn't take it well. As you like to point out frequently, how long did they actually date for? Like, second, Austin points out, well, she's not my property. Third, Austin is such a fucking child that he has to go, well, I did see you're making out

with another dude last week. Just like throw a dig at him. Yeah. Which is so dumb. This guy's take, he doesn't owe you shit. He owes Austin nothing. He doesn't owe him this conversation. I think like you said, I think it's got to be a production thing.

There's no way. I did at least find some solace in them having known each other for seven years. Instead of what I thought it was when I saw the trailer thinking, who the fuck is this guy? They don't even know each other and they're going to sit down one-on-one and talk about a six-month relationship that Austin had. No. Stupid. I thought aside from, if he hadn't done the comment about her hooking up with a guy last week at a bar, like, we just saw her and Rod kiss like three days ago. Yes.

Maybe they weren't even talking. Maybe they just started talking. Who the fuck cares? They're not dating. They're not dating. They're not dating. They're not boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever you want to call it. He doesn't need...

Neither of them need to be in this situation, but they are both there. So I'm thinking production as well. It sucks for both sides. There's not a lot you can do. Austin handled it and how Austin handles it. I think without that comment, I think that's exactly what we expect from Austin. Yeah. And I'm okay with that.

I don't really need any more from that. But yeah, throwing in the dig of her hooking up with the guy is just trying to get back abroad. Because he feels like this is personal. Yeah. It's like, where you're going after the girl. It's like, no, every single fucking person on this show that is single and dating makes a point to say, Charleston is incredibly small. And you're going to see everybody that you've always dated. You're going to see people that they've dated.

This is just how it's going to be. There's overlap. Deal with it and move on. It's not a fucking big. Yeah, grow the fuck up. But, Shep and Olivia, this is when he goes over there to give her some pheasant post-hunt, which, you know, not going to say anything. but if somebody walks into my house post pheasant hunt and plops down on my white couch, I would have something to say about it because you're definitely covered in feathers.

He came right from the pheasant hut. He still had his earplugs around his neck. Oh, really? I didn't know that vest is a pheasant hunting vest because pheasant hunting a lot of the time is a wealthier activity and the hunt itself is not usually that difficult. A lot of times they plant the birds there. It's almost like a slaughter fest, but that's neither here nor there. my issue was that he didn't fully dress the pheasant there were still feathers on it so like what's olivia going to do with that he didn't dress that peasant no no no there's guides no no no shot there's guides there that when you get done the hunt you give them the birds they clean them vacuum seal them and give them trust me i know okay yeah it was just like a gallon zip black bag no look like a vacuum seal somebody cleaned that peasant and gave it to him to take home one thousand percent but regardless about the pheasant they are talking and recapping and once again olivia takes a

stance of, yeah, you know, I know how they are, but they're just close friends. I condone this relationship. And Shep is like, I don't feel good about this. And I'm glad he brings up specifically when it was brought up by JT, the sleepover, because I don't think Olivia knew about the sleepover. But when he brings it up to her, he says, Austin got tongue tied. And that's a big point to make because we know from experience watching Austin when he gets caught in an uncomfortable situation where he's not telling the whole truth, he looks up at the ceiling and goes, oh, well, listen, and he doesn't have a response. He got caught off guard by JT, which I think anybody would have

and that that was such a weird scenario anyway. So forced it was crazy. It was crazy. So I think that it was perfect because it forced the issue and made him uncomfortable. But that's when Olivia goes, fuck, there might be more here because of Austin's tongue-tied, Shep is this uncomfortable with it? He clearly, like, there was a vibe last night when the boys were talking about it. I might need to dive into this more.

and she takes it upon herself the very next day to call Taylor and set up like a coffee day. She's driving and Taylor's setting up her day chaser event, which is still got to be one of the worst names for a drink. It doesn't make any sense to me. It sounds like a liquid IV. It does. It sounds like a hangover care. And then they even had an IV thing in this episode.

So it threw me off even more. That was a good company. It was called Thrive and the IV was highlighted. Love that. That's great. That's good brand. It's good marketing. Day Chaser is not.

But she's setting up an event for Day Chaser at Republic, and Olivia goes and meets her, and they start chit-chatting, and Olivia starts to dig a little bit. And she brings up the tongue-tied thing. Why was he tongue-tied? What's going on between you guys? I'm sure she was expecting a much different response than she got, because Taylor takes the most bizarre approach to a point where you got to give her some level of respect, I think, for at least being completely upfront about it.

Like, she didn't pull any punches. She goes, look, after the reunion, we were both hurting. We're in a weird spot. We bonded. It was pretty much like a trauma bond. So we connect over both of our mishaps and both of our relationships to the point that I questioned it and said, should we explore this more? Wild thing to say to Olivia sitting there, but she tells her anyway, should we explore this more to the point? I called up my brother, talked to him about it.

He said, you're going directly out of the frying pan into the fire. Why would you invite this on yourself? Austin he goes and talks to his sister about it and to Olivia's point if you're taking the time to talk to family members about it that means it's too intimate it's too close you guys are overstepping boundaries here and it's disrespectful to both ship and to Olivia yeah and it's one thing if that happened and they weren't still hanging out as much as they are one-on-one they took a step back then it's like all right what happened to you guys like you guys used to be so like inseparable now after the breakup you're not really talking and you're being awkward around each other. And then this comes out. You're like, okay, that makes sense because you guys had an uncomfortable moment. You weren't sure what was going on. You had a discussion.

You realize it's not good. And now you stop hanging out and it's awkward. I get that. People are still going to be butt-heard about that, of course. Like Olivia, Shep is going to do what Shep's going to do, whatever that is. If they were upset about it, I'd be like, you know what? That's the right move. They separate.

That is. But no, they're still hanging out. They're still calling each other in the morning. They're doing one-on-one hangouts. They're doing weird coupley things. together when they're not dating like no you had this awkward moment decided we think we're going to keep it at face value for now decided to not pursue that good great job and now you're still hanging out and like you just move past it like that's not how people work no because

the elephant's still in room was able to like you know what maybe austin can separate that and he's completely different you can you can always rely on one one of the people to be completely invested in the relationship not both parties not both parties they are both feeling weird feelings about each other and they're hanging out a bunch like this is only going to raise more questions so while i do condone i guess taylor coming clean and talking to olivia like this you're not doing yourself any favors well here's the caveat you didn't have to tell olivia that in my opinion i don't think she did either i think she could have sugar coated it a little bit could have pulled back a little you didn't have to talk about the talking to

your family did you certainly did not have to say that austin called his sister absolutely that makes it even weirder but Olivia did ask and I'm glad that she was least honest about it but it shouldn't have gotten to the point where you let that information slip you should have said look we had a weird moment we discussed it like we decided like no absolutely not we can't move forward so that was the end of it that's how you present that information not diving into as much as you did the other part of this whole thing the worst part of this Austin and Olivia tried to figure things out for a week after the reunion that means that while they were trying to figure that out he was was also having this conversation with Taylor.

That's fucked. That means that he is emotionally playing both sides of the field. He's trying to figure things out with Olivia, quote unquote, and at the same time, having a conversation with his sister about Taylor. Both are inappropriate for so many different reasons, and I just think that it's a slimy fucking move. I have a different approach to that. I think that he reached out to Olivia afterwards because he had unreasonable feelings about Taylor,

had that conversation with her, decided to not pursue that, felt weird, went back to Olivia, and essentially is like, I am in a weird fucking place right now. This is not going to work. I just don't think that it's smart for me to be dating at all, let alone with you. We don't know specifically what he said to her. We've heard a roundabout way, but if he took the approach of, look, I just had a fucking weird-ass conversation with Taylor. She was my best friend's girlfriend, and I consider dating her, I'm not going to turn around to be like, you know what, Olivia, like, let's go. Like, clearly I'm not in the right frame of mind. I shouldn't be doing any of this.

I think you're giving him a lot of credit. I'm thinking, like, I don't know. I just try to put myself, it's a crazy place to be. But put yourself in that position. It's like, that's probably the best outcome is saying, I am not emotionally ready to be dating right now. So I should just step away from everything. I think you're giving them entirely too much credit.

I don't know. I think a reasonable person might think that. I don't think he would. But here's the last thing I'm going to say, and then we're going to move on. This is when the God stuff bugs me. because she starts crying and going, I was using him as my crutch, not God.

It's like, don't you dare use religion to back yourself out of this. I think that's horseshit. I think by like throwing the God thing in there, she's saying, that's why I was just lost because my relationship with God was messed up. And I think that's horseshit and manipulative. Yeah, it is. I think it would have been way more manipulative like 50 years ago,

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It was whatever. It was entertaining background TV. Exactly. Yeah. And that's honestly, I, will ask for that 10 times out of 10 compared to OC or something that I feel is a task to watch. Yes, exactly. It wasn't a task. It wasn't the most captivating, but it wasn't a chore. But

we're going to jump right in. We get Jessel and Pavit, and this was a nice scene between the two of them, finally. Like, I felt like both of them were, and maybe I'm starting to understand the dynamic a little bit better, and dev's the one that pointed out to me, like, you know, they were friends first before they dated. So

it's kind of more of like a razzing relationship. Sure. And, like, I can appreciate that. So, like, maybe I'm warming up to it more, or maybe they finally just showed, like, an entire scene of them so you can see, like, yeah, they take jabs, but they seem to really like each other. Yeah, I think they do.

I also just think that she's a little more mild towards him now. Yeah. So maybe she's had some feedback. Maybe she's talked about it. Maybe she's thought about it. I don't know. It could just be, like, that early season, first time on camera jitters. You're like, yeah, this is my husband.

Everybody does this to their husband. I think, no, maybe calm down a little bit, but I agree. I thought that it was a nice scene. I liked seeing the two of them talk, and I don't think it's because we know Jessel more. I think it was just a better scene. Yeah. But what does grind my gear is, yeah, singular gear, when Pavit comments like this and says, you know, you left me with the kids and no nanny to go off with your friends, it's like, don't do that. I hate when dads say shit like that.

Especially when you have a trip to Thailand. Yeah, you're going by yourself. Vietnam or wherever the hell he's going. Eat a nom for a sandwich. But don't do that. Like, if she wants to go away with their friends, you don't have a nanny. They're your fucking children, too, buddy. It paints a bad picture of dads.

It does. Just fucking watch you. They're your kids, too, asshole. Let your wife go off. As she points out, I carried them for nine months. I think I'm due nine months vacation. Yeah, because guess what, Pav. You didn't have to push kids out of your pee hole.

Like, not that women do that. I'm saying, like, he is a man. Oh, okay. All right, yeah, okay. I'll be clarified that. I understand how the body was. works, I'm saying if he was going to push it out of somewhere, he only

has one hole. Well, he has two, but he's not going to use his butthole. I think. Probably. By driving this into the ground enough? Yeah. Yeah, I get it. My point being, watch your damn kids without complaining about it.

Definitely don't complain about it to their mother who definitely puts up with their kids way more than you do, Pavit. So fucking deal with it, pal. But regardless, she's talking about the vacation and how Aaron continues to kind of grill her about her privilege. And look, it's kind of a murky area.

And we see that where she says, you know, I wasn't painting the picture that I was like poor or anything. And then it does the clip of I only had $20 in my bank account. But then we get another clip where it says she was using her savings. So she had a savings to go to New York. So my whole thing with it is like I think she's just trying to relate to the group. I no longer am vilifying her for it where I'm. Like, your story's not the same.

I think she's doing her best to connect. She's just very clunky in how she goes about it. Yeah. And again, like, we talked about this before. You don't have to do that. You don't. Not everybody in this group tried to relate to Bryn and Cy. Right.

They just tell their story. And if it's less exciting than their stories, if for a lack of a better word. That's traumatic. Less traumatic. Then, you know, just say what your story is and just move on. Like, oh, yeah, I really wanted to move to New York. I was able to do it. And here I am.

Great. That's cool. That's awesome. You moved from a different country to this country and you made it in New York and now you're living your dream. Yeah. That's really cool. I saved up some money while I was living in London.

So I was able to use my savings. It was a grind for a while because I only had X amount of money, but I built it myself. Look at me now. Great story. Yep. Great bucking story. And look, if you say that and then Sai has an issue with that, then that's on side.

That has nothing to do with you because all you're doing is just telling your story. it shouldn't impact somebody else because it's your fucking story. But once you start getting into the nitty gritty and going specifics and talking about how you were all so poor, just like you, Sye, like no, don't try to relate. Just tell what you're doing. But again, I think that's just her trying to connect. I don't think it's intentional.

And I think she just kind of sticks her foot in her mouth a couple times. And we'll get to Sigh later. It goes, woof. But they finally schedule a little staycation in New York. We're finally going to get some action. Not in an Airbnb. Not in Airbnb. They're going to the Ritz Carlton.

Pavitt has it all set up. He's got the nanny on, I guess, the secret nanny, which, you know. That was a weird joke to make. She takes it well, thank God. But it was a strange joke. The point being, they're finally going to do the do. Good for them. We're happy for them.

But the next scene we get Jenna, and she's at Henrietta Hudson, which is a gay bar in New York. It's actually like the first bar she went to after she came out, I guess. So, like, she has a connection to it. And she's got her wingwoman, Bryn's a great wingwoman because she will just... Incredible wing woman. Outstanding, actually, because she goes and finds a very, very pretty girl, brings her over immediately. I guess, or does she come over, regardless? Brin's a great wing.

I think the other woman came over, but between Brin kind of like throwing the eyes out there and then the camera crew, you know, you're going to come over and check it out. But there, so there is a rumor going around that. this scene was planned, that at the time Jenna had a girlfriend, and I'm not putting any validity to this, I'm just relaying something that I heard, that Jenna was dating at the time but wanted to have this scene in the bar. How do you feel about that?

I don't like planned scenes. I don't like them either. I'm just saying, like, do you think there's any merit to that? It didn't seem like it. I don't think so. It seemed genuine. Honestly, it was building blocks off of how good the trip was for Jenna and Brin. That's a good point. Jenna became so much closer to Brin, way more herself, opened up, loosened up,

allowed Brin to just kind of be Brin, which Brin loves to do as well. And having her go to a gay bar and be your wing woman, that's incredible. So I had no issues at the scene. I don't think that it's, I don't think it was planned. If it was, I'd be bummed out about it,

but it's not as big of a scene. No, I don't think that we're going to get confirmation on it. So I'm just going to act like it wasn't. Yeah, and also at the same time, if it came out, like, that was all planned. I'd be like, oh, I don't care. Yeah, it was an entertaining scene.

I don't really care. I'm not going to remember this scene in, like, two weeks. Yeah, Janet gets the digits, and, you know, good for our butt. Moving on from there. You move right in the digits on the Sharpie, though, on your wrist. Like, what do you do? I thought that was strange, too. Yeah, maybe in your phone.

Hey, there's a phone. Maybe use your phone. iOS 17 just bump me. You know what I'm talking about? A little bump. Yeah, the pump. I'm going to delete your number and then we'll bump later. I don't, don't do that because I haven't updated my phone in, like, three updates to the point where when people send me certain emojis, it just shows up as a question mark.

Yeah. So I got to update my shit. But anyway, maybe I get that new titanium asteroid phone. You know, came from space. Came from space, according to the Apple commercials. And I believe it. We talked about the Dancing with the Stars commercial last week. I know we were watching ABC, but that Apple commercial enough.

We talked about it in the group chat, our fantasy football group chat. I need to double down. Why do I care that it's made out of titanium? Why are they pushing that? It's still going to break. I don't understand what... If I don't put a case on it and I drop it on the ground, it's going to break. It's going to break.

because they make it that way, so you have to pay more to get a fixed. So why do I give a shit what the material is? It's still an iPhone. I don't know. Unless they create a new material or a new element, I don't care.

This is Adamantium. Apollonium. Yeah. Apollonium. Apollonium. They're probably, I was making an X-Bend joke, but yeah. Bet me, I know.

But bet me that's the next thing. It's made out of Apollonium. We found it in a meteor. I hope. But the next scene was tough, in my opinion. We got a double date with Cy, Aaron, and their husbands, and they're talking about Jessel and the sex thing again, which is so weird. I don't know why they're so fixated on this and how, like, they could not even survive without

having sex for even a couple of weeks. And if that was ever an issue, then they would bring in other people into the relationship and maybe just a gay guy so that it wasn't weird, which, like, the routes that they take to tell us that they have sex with their husbands is ridiculous. Yeah, I don't understand it. I don't understand why they're talking about Jessel's sex life as it is. She's not there to defend herself. It's ridiculous.

She shared some information with them. You would think as friends that they would kind of just keep it close to their chest. Yeah, maybe the two of them can talk about it. Once you bring her husbands into it, I know that there's the stigma like, well, you know, that's my life partner, so I'm going to talk about everything to him. It's like, yeah, you know, important things. Well, don't, this doesn't impact any of anyone's life. talked about jessel sex life and then the weirdest shit is when they bring it up they're like

well like what would you do if we didn't have sex for a year and a half abe's like i'd fuck somebody else that man was dead serious immediately that was not a joke that wasn't a bit he was like i would fuck somebody else across the table size husband's like oh the relationship's over yeah it's like wait a minute guys if you don't bang your wife for a year and a half it's either i'm cheating on you or we're done what if there's extenuating circumstances what if they just had twins and they're insecure about their bodies. Like, what a shitty way to paint husbands in this world that the only thing that's important to us is having sex with our wives.

Maybe they're going through some shit, you selfish assholes. Yeah, I liked the husbands until that scene too. It's fucking atrocious. It's like, guys, shut the fuck up. If we didn't fuck for a year and a half, fake it, fake your fucking answer. If that's how you actually feel that you're going to fuck somebody else because you're a scumbag? They didn't even ask like a follow-up question and be like, well, what are the circumstances?

Why? Maybe ask why? No. Why didn't we have sex for a year and a half? It's like, nah, somebody else probably. Probably just going to bang somebody else. Like, what a douchebag thing to say. And the conversation doesn't get any better because then Abe more or less doubles down.

He's like, well, you know, then we get into swinging. It's like, hey, sigh. You know, I think about it like, you know, 10 years from now. Maybe we get into some swinging. Like, what the fuck? Like, in my mind. I get it. Like, sex is so open nowadays that it's like, yeah, you can talk about things like that.

But at the same time, you're doing it on like live television. there's going to be a lot of people watching out there. It's just a really odd thing to be talking about. Aaron's response is, ah, we're from New York. I guess what we do here? It's like, I don't think so. I have a lot of friends that live in New York,

and they don't swing. They don't even talk about swings and, you know. Like, they beat big sandwiches and pizza. That's what New Yorkers do. That's what New York's do. But my biggest takeaway is, hey, say, hey, Aaron, instead of focusing on Jessel's sex life and her relationship,

maybe, just maybe look inward at your own because your husbands don't. don't seem that cool if they're talking about either breaking up or fucking somebody else I don't even think it stops at the husbands though because it's not like sigh and Aaron did anything to stop them they were laughing the entire time and agreeing I think that's I honestly think that in that moment they wanted to come off like oh no ha ha like we're cool we can talk about this stuff without normal mom I'm a cool mom exactly that's exactly what it was I know mean girl day but that's exactly what it was it's a great callback because they were trying

to be the cool mom that's exactly what they were doing Like, oh, this is how we talk to each other because we're so comfortable and our sex life is so amazing that we have to shit on somebody else as who's having insecurity about her body after having twins and hasn't had sex with her husband in a year and a half, which is actually a pressing issue that they need to get figured out. But we're going to make light of it and talk about swinging, having sex with other people, and divorcing because we don't bang our wives. Yep. What a shitty way to paint both men and husbands. Fucking brutal. But we get to a shooter's favorite event. We got a sound bad day.

but this one is different than anyone that we've seen. It's like a combination. They all fucking hated it. Well, no, that was interesting, but it's like, good. It's finally somebody acted normal during one of these things. This is how people react to these fucking things. They all, they gave like half-assed answers, and then in their confessionals said, yeah, you know, it's just kind of boring, and you hear somebody in the background going bong,

bong, bong, bong, and like, what am I supposed to do? I don't know, I'm just going to hang out here and not really focus on things. Yeah, Uber cries, but it was Uber's event. Of course, she wants to do this. This is what she wants to do. People finally had real reaction to this instead of the bullshit like, I wouldn't be a better friend to my other friend over here and then go back and start like talking shit behind their back.

It never works. Speaking of that. Finally we got real people going to one of these events and this is how it's supposed to do it. Well, speaking of that, I literally rewound twice so I could do this correctly. I wrote down everybody's intent and I want to read them to you and tell me if you think that this is going to pan out. Okay? So, sigh is to be more present. No.

Jenna is to open up more. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. I think she's already kind of started that. So, yeah. Okay. Jessel is to be more grounded.

No. No chance. Aaron's to be more patient. No fucking way. And Uba is to love herself more. And I believe. That one I definitely believe wholeheartedly. But after our last conversation about the sound bath where you get so upset about the

intentions and then the next scene, we see them fall apart, I wanted to take the time to write them down. They're all intentions for whatever the story. line is for their person in that season. Yeah. And it still rings true here. Sure. But sometimes it's like Uba's obviously. Jenna, we've seen open up a little bit more so I can see that. The rest

of them, it's like, this is something that you told me that you dislike about me. So I'm going to make that my intention to be better at that. You're not. You're going to be the same fucking thing. Good point. It's just annoying. Well, enough of them. Go back to the Roaring 20s parties. No. I'm done with it. Oh, that's an interesting point. Dev pointed that out to me

too. It seems like every season for every year, each show just highlights one event they're going to do, and then they do that in every show. And I think last year was the Roaring 20s parties. This year is sound baths and self-healing. I'm curious what next round's going to be. I don't know. I'm just saying here.

Drugs. Jesus Christ. Hard drugs. Nah, just psychedelics. A little ayahuasca in the desert. Ooh. A pey. Vision quest? That would be sick.

I would love that. A vision quest is a, that's a good one. sign me at all right let's keep going we got a quick touch in we had a quick check in with sye and her daughter london i didn't realize she had an older daughter because she's like eight nine somewhere i i started that scene and i must have missed when she said daughter i figured it was like her niece and then i realized how much she looks like her i'm like oh that's got to be her daughter they're identical yeah identical but moving on from there we get pavit and jessel and they're getting ready for their big night out together there was an interesting

scene. And you can tell, I think, what rang true the most is how uncomfortable they both are because it's been so long. They're both trying to navigate this. I can't imagine not having sex for a year and a half. And then the first time you're trying to like reacclimate to it, you're doing it in front of a camera crew. Doing it in front of a camera crew, everybody around you knows that it's going on. And it's a planned thing. So it's like, hey, we're going to have sex on this exact night. Here's what I'm going to wear. I didn't think that she should have worn that. I think she should have kept that a little special, but who am I to tell anybody?

I wrote the same thing. Why did you show him? Yeah, exactly. Like, make that like a surprise. But I like that. I'm not going to tell anybody to do it. I, he laughed when she walked out. I know.

I had an issue with that. Yeah. I said, like, if you put something on and I laughed at you when you walked out the door, that'd be the end of the night. Yeah. At the end of the night, you'll never see that piece of clothing ever again. But she handled it well. She did.

I don't know, I don't even want to say handled it well. She laughed back. She took it. It's just a fun moment. And you know what? What I most got from this scene is that they do have a good relationship. They are. They kind of enjoy each other.

They can build off of each other the way that they talk to each other. It works. That's what I'm saying. They ran as a little bit. That's all you can ask for, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the whole conversation about the trip to Vietnam, what he's actually

doing over there, X, Y, and Z. Here's an interesting thing. So, like, a month ago, somebody commented on our video when we brought up the Vietnam trip originally. Yeah. And they said... It was for mileage. It was a mileage run.

I didn't believe that until this episode. It made sense. And he drops the mileage run. I'm like, oh, apparently that's a thing. Yeah. All right, fine. Like, that was believable enough for me. But the next scene, we get a lunch between Cy and Jessel.

And it was fucking hilarious that Cy tried to give her the late show up, you know, fashionably late. She was 20 minutes late. jessel is 45 minutes late so her plan backfires it doesn't work out for her but this lunch i don't know what's up size ass because like jessel's taking the time like her biggest issue everyone's biggest issue with jessels that she doesn't open up right and we've seen her try to open up in the past and like we've commented on multiple times it's it's not great she tries to relate instead of just giving her story it's not perfect but i don't think it's intentional i think it's

just her not being good at presenting the information she's trying to connect and she does it the wrong way yeah in this scene she's trying to explain to sigh hey if i made a comparison i'm sorry it was too far i didn't mean to do that that wasn't my intention anybody else would take that and go you know what all right like clean slate or hey yeah that did bother me this is why let's move forward or yeah i didn't like that i'm not sure we can move forward there's multiple ways that you can go about it without being a total asshole. Sigh, the whole time is making faces. Sye is being rude, standoffish, and then she finally says, I really don't care.

I just don't care. She doesn't care. And honestly, I believe her. I really do not think that she cares until she gets an opportunity to kind of throw it. It's almost like, look, you can be proud of where you came from. You can be proud of the journey that you went on to get to where you are. It is inspiring. When you're talking about it weeks ago,

at this point we get it like that's that's really fucking cool thank you for sharing yep but we're starting to see that she's kind of snobby about it like how dare you even try to say that you came from somewhere that's even remotely close to me i came from the gutters of paris france and hugh jackman gave me a fucking piece of bread that he stole and i was in lay miserab that movie's about me i think that yes her upbringing is crazy it's traumatic there's a lot going on there but you can't be snobby about that. The whole point of what you went through is to understand the other side of the world.

So you're going to sit here and be like, you know what? No, my story, way better than yours. So much more traumatic than yours. How dare you even try to come even close to me and compare? And I think that Jessel was okay in the beginning apologizing. Because she knows look, I struck a court. I

was just trying to relate and a couple things in your story made sense to me and I didn't really do a good job articulating, blah, blah, blah. She didn't go into specifics yet. And once Sye says, I do not care, she's all pissed off. She does not want to be there. She doesn't understand why she's there in the first place. I think the production probably made her go.

And she didn't want to be there. And that's why she was 20 minutes late. She wanted to show why she didn't want to be there. I loved it that she intentionally was 20 minutes late. Jessel showed up 20 minutes after her. Real fuck you to you. And I love that. But as soon as she says, I don't care, it's like Jessel panics.

She doesn't know what to do. She has no idea. And she starts going into this. you told a story about your mom and then she gets overly specific which I hate I absolutely hate every time that somebody on TV does this

and we see it in real life all the time too if you start over explaining and getting way too specific about something that just doesn't need to be that specific you're either embellishing or trying to relate too much or something's going on there

it's just not a good look and Sai does get like the I need to leave I'm just going to fucking get the check and go look maybe you're just not going to be friends in the future sigh comes off way worse during this whole conversation

because she just looks snobbish and I hate it. And Jessel's trying at the very least. So I'm going to give Jessel that. But Sai slides right to the end of the power rankings right away. I know immediately. And it's like, was she overstepping by trying to compare her uncle and that situation to your mother? Absolutely. I think anybody watching was kind of like, ooh.

As soon as you start the story off with it, it's a lot like yours. Right. Just don't draw comparisons and you would have been fine. But I see in that moment where Sai could have had a. an issue, but up until that point, Sai was just being flat out rude. And Dev pointed this out as well. And she's like, you know, nothing is ruder than when somebody just acts like you're stupid.

And that's all of Sy's reactions are like, wow, you're just an idiot. Like, oh, he's going on a mileage run to Vietnam. Like, all right, moron. Like, I just can't even get over a year and a half of you guys not having sex. Like, everything is like, how stupid are you, Jessel? Like, how dumb could you possibly be? You're making me come here on a work day. I've got work to do.

Like, I've got, look, I, I'm proud of what you do. did, but you work at home and you unbox things. You can do that at fucking 10 o'clock in night if you want to picture, man. My thing is, I'm not downgrading what you do. Until you're an asshole, then I'm going to downgrade everything. Now you're being a dick about it. And all Jessel's trying to do is smooth things over,

clear the air, and be able to move forward. But instead of giving her the space and the grace to do so, even if you have an issue with it, like say that you want her to be open and then you go on this whole tangent about our issue with you. It's like, just be real. Just be real. Well, how the fuck is she going to trust you to be real

when she tries to talk to you and you're dismissive and rude and treat her like a moron. If we got anything out of Sye and she actually came back and explained why she feels the way that she feels, different situation.

She doesn't. She just downplays it the entire time, rolls her eyes and leaves. It was horrible. It was a brutal scene. Sye drops to, like, way to the bottom of the power rankings. It's unfortunate.

But that takes us to the question part of the show. Up first from Bill Zarbow. B. L. Zarbo. From a man's point of view, what do you think of Jessel's marriage? Now, we talked about it. Shoots? Yeah. No, I have no problems with it. I feel like the more that we get with her and her husband together, you get to see what their dynamic is. No relationship's going to be the same, so you can't really compare it to anybody else's. And they're trying, which is good.

I don't know why they're, you know, maybe they're trying because other people are putting pressure on them or their scammers or whatever, but they're trying. They're trying that. That's enough. Everyone lay off. That leads me to Kelly, too. 2422. Be nice to Jessel. She is harmless. We were. We were the nicest. We were. So don't worry, Kelly. From K. Sparklic. Or K. Oh, damn it. K Sparkle K.

Sparkleck. Sparklic. Does I even want a second season? I don't know. I think that she's trying to play the cool hand card so much that it's coming off that she doesn't care and doesn't want to be there. Yeah. I mean, how many times have we seen her leave places because she's hungry or complain about food? somebody invites her to go to lunch and she doesn't want to go. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense to me. She's just not showing up enough and she's kind of being an asshole the whole time. So that's not enough for me to give you a second season.

Now, do not bring in one of the old Roney Casters. No, don't do it. Don't do it. People are talking about Leah McSweeney. Like, don't do it. Up next from Chera Shears. Shara. God damn it.

Sarah. Sarah. I'm trying. Shara. Cherer Shears. If you had to keep only one housewife's friend. franchise. Which one would it be? I like that. Only one? Just one. Oh, damn. Um,

because you got to, like, the city has to play a big part. There's variables here. Oh, no, there's too many variables. Um, probably Beverly Hills, just because it's L.A. And there's huge mansions. It, it's not like the, you know, White House compound down in Miami. Miami's cool, too. Yeah, probably Beverly Hills. I got to stick with My, my fave, I'm going Potalmic, just because I love that show. Yeah, but it's the franchise. Okay, so the most, the one that could have the longest life, probably Beverly Hills, it's the most dynamic you can put and plug in the most.

It's like entertainment, entertainment-centric area, I feel like. Yeah, and there's L.A., there's people that are involved in the industry. There's movie stars, producers that pop up. So, yeah, I'm going to say Beverly Hills. There's a lot of people you can plug into that franchise and still do okay. All right, yeah. Two more from Amber Lee, 19831. Oh, no, it's 19831, but whatever.

Do you guys think Austin and Taylor actually slept together wasn't a drunken makeout? I don't know what to think anymore. I think there may have been a drunken makeout. There's also a chance that there was nothing. It's just going to be a witch hunt the whole season, which I kind of hope isn't the case. I think they hooked up.

I think they probably hooked up at some point. I don't think they slept together, though. I don't know. I really have no idea. This whole episode kind of threw me through a loop. Yeah, that's fair. And the last question is from Shooter McGuder. Are you really going to watch the Phillies over the Rossi reunion tomorrow?

We had to start and end with it. Yes, we did. Stupid fucking joke. Just kidding. Go, Phil's. If I'm not going to watch Salt Lake tonight, I'm not going to watch OC tomorrow. No, Phil's, baby. Red October.

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