Bros & Shows - Let's Burst Dorit's Bubble (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

What's up Bro's? We're coming to you a little bit later than usual with our RHOBH recap, but better late than never! In today's episode we discuss Denise and Erika and their 'feud'. Kyle and Kim continue to pal around together and its nice seeing Kim in a better place. Sutton has date number 2 with Steve the bachelor who seems like a much better fit. But the focal point of this episode was unpacking the drama between Garcelle and Dorit. Garcelle is still upset about the word choice Dorit used when describing a situation at Crystal's party. Dorit has a pattern of using certain words at certain times and while people can make mistakes... The lack of effort to rectify or even understand where Garcelle is coming from is where the issues lie. It is a sensitive but very important topic and one that many people out there could do better with. While we do not think that Dorit has malicious intent, it is important to not lean into ignorance but rather take the opportunity to learn and grow. All that and more on todays episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and welcome back to another episode of brav bros your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Rootin' Tutin' Scootin' McGutin. What's up, dude? I like that one a lot. You know, I like it when it rhymes. It's fun.

I thought of that in Texas, and I was like, ooh, you need to remember that one. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's good. Very low energy boys today. Yeah. Very low. Apparently there was football on, didn't watch the football. I'm going to completely change it up.

I've got a lot of things that I want to talk about. Okay. To start off with, there's some burning topics that are just ripping things. that are just ripping through. This doesn't seem very low energy. You mean physically? Yeah, physically, yes. But for the listeners, I've got high energy.

Always. You know? We always have energy for you guys. All right. So the first thing that I want to bring up to you, this is we talked about going back to who's us, which people may have liked, maybe didn't, who knows, I don't really care. We're going to talk about it anyway. My new favorite thing that popped up was the Rick Astley paradox.

Okay, the Rick Roll? Yes. So, you know, the song, never going to be. going to give you up. If you ask Rick Astley for a copy of the movie Up, he cannot give it to you as he will never give you up. However, in doing so, he lets you down, thus creating the Astley Paradox. Wow, I like the Astley Paradox.

That's a good one. I feel bad for Rick. Shortness. And the other thing that I wanted to talk about, so you saw the Gypsy Rose got out of jail. I did. Did you see the comments? I've seen some. I haven't read like through them.

No, I need to. Oh, yeah. Dude, I'm going to read one. you, that's incredible. So she apparently got married while she was in jail. Yes. To some dude whatever. Fine. Apparently that happens all the time. I had to look into that. The D is fire apparently. That's what

I was going to read. Yeah, yeah. So you got to read the comment. So he was getting ripped, which is, you know, it's the internet. What are you going to do? People were ripping him apart for pretty much as like being ugly, which is kind of mean. That's really mean. Yeah. And that's what they went after? That's what they were going after. There's so many more. This guy. This guy's so weird looking. They're so like, Obviously, they went into, like, other things with him, but mostly it was just them making fun of the way that he looks, which is mean.

That's so dumb. Make fun of him for dating or marrying a felon in prison or something like that. True. True. Good point. Gypsy came to his defense, and you already kind of highlighted it. I'm going to read the whole comment because it's incredible. Ryan, don't listen to the haters. I love you and you love me. We don't owe anyone anything. Our family is who matters. If you get likes and good comments, great.

If you get hate them, whatever, because they don't matter. I love you. Really nice, right? Besides, they're jealous that you're rocking my world every night. Yeah, I said it. The D is fire. Happy wife, happy life. Good for them.

No, no, no. Good for you. What do you mean? No. No. What do you mean? Oh, no. I don't need that image.

I just don't. Like, that's where I draw the line. Look, you just got out of prison. You know that everybody's watching your every move. And, yeah, everybody's going to watch everything the gypsy's doing. Do not comment on his picture and say that D is fire. and you're rock of my world every night? Well, I don't know.

I mean, congrats on the sex. Well, fair. First and foremost. We also don't kingshame here, you know? No king shaming. And, like, more so, I don't care if people are banging and talking about it. It doesn't really bother me. I do with it.

That's PDA. And it's not, like, in that, it's like a defense of your man because they're calling him ugly or whatever. She already defended him, though. Yeah, but maybe that's more so, like, you might think he looks a certain way, but you have no idea what he can do with that D. Maybe. It's a defense.

It's the defense. It is the defense. Yeah. You're bringing me around. My bigger thing with the whole gypsy roast thing is, like, how enamored everybody is with her. It's pretty crazy. She was on the view. It's pretty fucking crazy.

It's so fucking funny. She was on the view. And I forget who it was, who was talking to her. But she was going into it. And she's like, yeah, obviously, I want to just kind of be like a beacon for people because, you know, Munchausen is something that people have to deal with all the time. And we don't really hear about it. We don't talk about it.

Obviously, I went about it the wrong way. She said that? my time and like yeah I mean like she's right but whoever it was that was talking to her on the view was like wait what are you talking about and she's like my you know what I did and they're like oh that part and then the audience laughed that audience was laughing about her talking about her murdering her mom like that's it's so weird to me that everybody and look just accept it and I understand why like I get it because of the way that her mom was treating her and she you know she got her whacked because she was pretty

much killing her very slowly through making her sick and all this other crazy shit so like I get it all right I do get it I understand it's just more so and I'm not at the core of it it's laughing at murder that's what I'm saying yeah I'm not vilifying her what is a matricide the mattress it is matricide but the fact that everyone's just like ha at this like goofing around she hired so let's get back to your husband's dick Right. Like, your first husband killed your mom. And your second husband, you're defending about his dick because he's dating or married to you who is a convicted felon for having your own mother killed.

Again, I get it. I understand why you had it done. But the fact that the reception is so warm, right? Like, I figured there would be some, like, some pushback. Right. There's just not. I know. She's a celebrity.

She's massive. She's going to start a podcast. It's going to have a podcast for sure. She's going to get a ton of money for whatever. What kind of endorsements do you think they're going to throw her way? Morgan and Morgan. Oh, yeah, there you go. Who else?

A lot of law firms. A lot of law firms. Some bail bonds. Who was Chico's bail bonds from Bellers? When she first got out, she posted a picture and she had like three cases of Dr. Pepper behind her. So I think Dr. Pepper is going to go on a number. But that's the thing. Like what companies are.

comfortable putting their name on a murderer. But that's what we're talking about. Nobody cares. They all think it's funny. If she can go on the view, anybody can sponsor her. For sure. The best part is she can go on the view and get laughs from the views audience about murder.

Murder. Murder. We are discussing murder and she is a celebrity for murdering her mom. Yes. I get it. I get it. I do get it. But just on paper.

or let's say it one more time. She's famous for murdering her mom and widely accepted as a celebrity. Exactly. 2024. I've got more current topics, but you know what? We've got a lot of episodes this week. So I'm going to save those. Yeah.

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No. No, thumbs worse. No, that's even, yeah, dude. Just leave your hand down. No hand stuff. No hand stuff. Okay, no hand stuff. Ah, I did it again.

But it's, this is our Friday episode on a Monday. So we got some Rosen Thorne to do. So why don't you start us off? Obviously, the main thorn. We all know it. It rhymes with Schmeagles. Well, I was even going to talk about that. I didn't say Schmeegels.

My thorn is kind of funny, actually. So I sent you a screenshot last night. I think you were still on your way back from Dallas. My mom texted me and said, Hey, you can go see whoever this person is. Apparently she's in Bravo and she's in Philadelphia. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And then the picture comes through and it was Ashley Darby.

Yep. Like, no, I am not going to go spend my night looking for Ashley Darby. We've talked enough like crap on her for all of her behavior over the last couple of years. we know after talking to Craig that a lot of the people on Bravo do know what we're saying about them. So yeah, I don't want to ruin my night by being confronted by Ashley Darby.

She's going to convince me that my parents are cheating on each other. It's just her M.O. So yeah, that's my thorn was just that. I thought that was a funny one. My rose is sweet and it's nice. And this comes from TikTok and it comes from Bailey. Obsessed with this podcast. Even my husband is obsessed.

I love that. But this. was the worst acting I've seen so far on Bravo. That was about Salt Lake. Interesting. We got a lot of different comments about the Salt Lake stuff from last week. We did. We got a ton of comments, a lot of really good ones.

But, and here's my thorn. And this is from YouTube, and I hated this comment. Because whoever this person, I don't know what show they're watching, I definitely don't want to see the world through their eyes. That's how I took this one. And it goes, I think you're massively wrong about Russell and Gertie. There's something off about their relationship. She's quite rude and demanding of him, and he seems to just cop it.

She forced herself on him from the get-go, and she's been doing so. Their whole relationship, it doesn't feel good to me, but okay, if you reckon every other couple should watch that, something is wrong with you. That's insane. That's one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever heard. Yeah, that's weird. And I hope you're hearing this because... Really weird dig.

It's the strangest dig I've heard because we've seen nothing but love and support from Russell. We've seen Gertie change her lifestyle to fit the family. dynamic better because Russell said something to her last season. Hey, you're spending a lot of time working. You're bringing it home with you. The kids are noticing. Gertie changed.

That's great. That's called a healthy, happy relationship. I don't know what show you're watching. But to condemn these two of all people, now you're crossing lives. Especially after, and I guess, when did that episode drop? I guess it dropped before the Wednesday, Miami episode, which we're not going to talk about today.

We're only going to talk about Beverly Hills today. Just a heads up. but it's probably also titled Beverly Hills. So you already know that. You know that. But no, like Wednesday nights, Miami episode, Gertie and Russell had, there was like a good 10 minutes of just love between the two of them.

Capital L. I don't understand how you can look at the two of them. And I think this is just like your mind is warped from watching too much reality TV. You always think that there's relationship. There's some underlying issue in all relationships. There's something dark about this. They're cheating on each other or whatever. Like, you are warped.

Why don't you just be happy that we finally have? There's a couple of good relationships across the bravoverse. Gertie and Russell is one of the best ones. If not the top tier, if not the best. I would rank them above page and Craig because they're married and they're working through shit and they're like supporting each other. And they have kids. Do you see why I said I don't want to see the world through this person's eyes? Yeah, I'm not even going to try.

Yeah, no. So that's my thorn. People call me a cremogyn. Yeah. No, you are a breath of fresh air compared to this curmudgeon. But we might have just lost a listener. but hey, I didn't like the comment, so whatever. Moving on from there, this one is a top rose for me

because this person, I hope they weren't kidding, and I don't think they were. But this comes from YouTube, and it's at Anna 34602. And this is in reference to when we did our theory about the Titanic. Okay, yeah. The comment goes, guys, the story of Rose and Jack on the Titanic movie was made up for the movie by James Cameron. I commented back, wait.

That didn't happen? Did you think we thought Titanic was a true story? Wait, that didn't happen? I'm not entertaining you because I know you know better. Someone even commented, did they think it was a true story? Oh, God. People thought that we were under the impression that Jack and Rose from the Titanic was a documentary. And the Great Gatsby was also real.

Yeah. And Jack, that conspiracy theory is true. Yeah. All of that is based on true effect. No, we were speaking from the universe of the James Cameron movie. Because that's a real place. Yeah. It's the Hamptons, is what they're talking.

That's the Hamptons, okay? We understand fiction, believe it or not. But that was a highlight for me because I love that. I would love to be in their head at that point and listen to that conversation, be like, wait. You know what that means? That means that, who was it, Anna? Is that her name? That means that Anna watched Titanic thought that it was a completely true story for years and then somebody told her otherwise.

Yeah. And now that's like her whole thing about Titanic. She just tells everybody about it. She makes her, everybody knows it's not real. Because she was duped for years. Oh, so that's her response. She's like, damn, I was got, I will never let any, I'm going to be the higher power here. I'm going to educate everybody.

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and denise and erika are arguing and it's the recap of the barbecue from five years ago the last time Denise was on the show what was it i think it was 2019 yeah so five years ago god damn wow it was five years ago jesus wow i hate that i'm flying huh oh wow wow yes it was actually five years ago i said that that was hyperbole but that's real god that sucks anyway they're talking about what happened at that barbecue and for those that don't remember if you didn't see the recap of it there was some sex talk going on and Erica was a little bit more flamboyant about it, I guess. She was talking about threesomes, talking about sex very openly.

But Erica points out to Denise, I'm not the only one. You were talking about your husband's big dick and your kids were sitting right there. So I thought that it was an open-ended table. I thought we were talking about whatever. I was just kind of following traffic, so to speak. Which is fair because Denise opens the floodgates. And also, Erica apologized the next day. Yes, she did.

Which Erica doesn't always do, especially five years ago. Erica was not apologizing that often. Absolutely not. She took it in stride. she apologized, she knew what she did. You can't come back at, like, after you accepted apology, you can't bring it back up. But that's when, for me, I'm like, oh, well, this sucks because she came into this season with an agenda. How am I going to drum up some storylines?

How am I going to drum up a little bit of attention? I'm going to go back five years. The thing Denise needs to understand is none of us give a shit. We don't. We don't care. This happened so long. Because you were on the show five years ago. Right.

We don't care anymore. That has nothing to do with today. It's your job to develop organic new storylines, not try to throw a wrench in. to everything and be like, you remember what she did five years ago? Not really. None of us. We had to watch a clip on TV to remind us exactly. Even then, it was like, yeah, all right, that's a little rough, but she apologized and

you accepted it, whatever. Yeah, it was pretty dumb. But then Denise takes it up a notch and she says, oh, just like you didn't know about a $20 million deposit going into your account, which is kind of fair. But at the same time, it's like, why are you trying to rehash old wounds? Why are we going back to the Tom Girardi stuff? For all intents and purposes, if we look at the cases, she keeps winning. okay she's been absolved of most of the lawsuits up to this point she hasn't been convicted of

anything to use that as ammo was just clumsy and it shows once again she did her homework but she did homework from too long ago and not only that us to the viewer we had to deal with that all last year right i'm so fucking tired of the erika and tom gerardi stuff we've moved on we've accepted the fact that erika is different this year and she's much better and we're really enjoying her don't bring her down don't do this to us Don't have it a good time. Hey, don't you do this to us. Don't do that to us.

You're ruining our lives. But I did appreciate it. I told you. I like Kim. I really like Kim. Kim's so funny. She's so good. And like I said, she's self-aware now to a point that I really, really appreciate because

she's like, I'm not fucking with this. I'm out. This sucks. This is why I like that time I ate the old dusty trail. Did I leave my stowlo? I think she yawned when she's really funny. It was so dramatic and perfectly executed and she bounces. Still, like, a full glass of wine in her hands.

She's like, ah, I'm getting out of here. And then Erica follows suit, and she leaves. And now Kyle finds the nerve to speak up and says that families should be left out of it, guys. We shouldn't talk about the families. Let's look at your track record, Kyle. Let's look at your track record up until this point. You've been on the show for a long time. How many families have you talked about?

In the past two years, let's do that. All of them. Everybody's family. So why are you throwing stones? And Garcell points out, like, why didn't you speak up when she was here? because you didn't want to talk shit about Erica in front of her. Now you're bringing it back saying keep the families out of it in reference to her only fans comment to Denise. Was that a low blow?

Sure. No. Was it the obvious one to make? Yeah. See, that's where I don't think it was a low blow. I think it was just fucking hilarious. It was great. I don't think it was a low blow as in don't go there.

I'm saying, yeah, it was a low blow, but it was the lowest hanging fruit available. Anybody saw that one coming. If you didn't have that teed up, then you're dumb. Because that's the easiest dig to take. you and your daughter on only you got on only fans because you were inspired by your daughter to get on only fans weird that's very weird that's the world that we live in these days it is but you can't expect to not hear some shit about it on a housewife show when you start the fire you went after erika erika is a heavy hitter you're going to get a haymaker coming back she's

not going to tiptoe around it and that's when i thought it was kind of weird that crystal spoke up and was like you know i really didn't like how erika talked and this and that like i thought we seeing a new Erica. We are. The fact that she didn't blow up and scream that and cause a scene, that's the new Erica. Yes. Erica still has it in her to bite a head off if she needs to, but she was challenged first. Denise keeps pushing this nonsense over and over and over again. It's over. What do you want? Do you not want Erica to defend herself? That's what I'm saying. It's just, it's kind of tone deaf to sit there and say, I don't like the way that Erica was talking. She was aggravated to the point by another person that she had to do that. What do you want her to do?

just walk away like no that's not who any of you should be you're on a fucking housewife show you have to stand up for yourself you have to stand into these points and make jokes and make like arguments and rip people apart that's what we want and it was otherwise what are you doing on the show it was well executed so i didn't i didn't have a problem with it but getting back to garcel she points out that kyle could have spoke up prior and then kyle mixed about herself which was such a weird move she's like well why didn't anybody speak up for me about the ring and the makeup ring or whatever that was. And I just simply wrote down before Garcell even said,

I said because there's a lot more questions. There's a lot more questions, but also the people that would have defended you have left now. Yes. Erica wasn't asking questions. She's left. Denise wasn't asking questions. She's gone.

Doreet really wasn't doing a whole lot of that dinner. She had her one milligram. She's also gone. The people that were asking questions were the people that were still in that room. They were between Sutton and Garcel. They were trying to find out what the fuck was going on. How are they supposed to defend you when they're the ones asking the questions?

Correct. That's stupid. It was really stupid. But the black and white answer is it's apples to oranges. We have answers for Erica's stuff. She's going through the criminal justice system to get exonerated for all of her things. So we have answers. Here's what the problem is.

She's innocent. That one's gone. Let's move on to the next one. With Kyle, we have no answers to anything. And all she does is speak in riddles and cryptic code. She never dives into the issue. She just says things like, yeah, things are rocky with Mo and I. Yeah, I really like Morgan Wade.

Like you leave hints, but you don't give any answers. That's why there will continue to be questions until we get answers. And that's why no one's jumping to your defense. Yeah. And I think that at the end of the day, Kyle just doesn't understand her behavior is questionable. Yeah. Literally questionable. So people are asking questions about it.

And you're not giving any answers. And this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Because you're on this whole healing journey, you stop drinking, you're working out, you feel better about yourself, you're not leaning on anyone. Like, you have your therapist and life coach that comes over that we got that one scene with him. We love him. He's great. What was his name? Dr.

Dick. No, that wasn't his name. But it was, shoot, what was his name? It doesn't matter. I did like him a lot. It's a quintessential like Beverly Hillsworth. Well, you know how I feel about therapists on these shows in anyway. We've been very open about it.

Yeah. We've also had multiple therapists reach out in our DMs. commending us for, one, our analysis, and two, for talking shit about the therapists on TV. They're like, you are correct. They are not good. They want to give me a free therapy session? I'll do it on camera. Reach out.

I could use one, too. Why not? Everybody needs therapy. Pouples therapy for the bros? Why not? Wait. We might have to film that. We're not filming that, no.

No, that's the difference between us and everybody else. We're not going to film that. Yeah, I don't want to find that. I'm not going to exploit that. I don't want to be crying in each other's arms. Yeah, like we do every night. Moving on from there, we get to read an Eric. and it's like the recap of Crystal's party and the Denise stuff.

And Erica points it out very well, inter confessional and to Doreet. Denise wanted this fight. She provoked. She provoked. Okay, gloves are off. Let's do it. You want the fight? Here's the fight.

But you've got to be ready to come at Erica Jane with much better ammo because she's going to tear you apart as we saw. You lost that whole interaction. But we get a side-by-side conversation. We get Sutton and Garcell and Derreet and Erica. And on Sutton and Garcel's side, it's a FaceTime, and Sutton says, you know, I'm really sorry for what happened in the night. I didn't understand in the moment how much it affected Garcel, I guess, from watching it because she handled herself fairly well. Right. She said she went to bed crying.

She woke up. Something about this interaction just didn't sit well. Even Garcell couldn't pinpoint as to why exactly. And we'll talk about that more when we get to the conversation later with Derreed. But this really, really affected her. And I think that, and I'll save most of this for the end, but I think that the most important thing to understand here for our listeners that are struggling with this whole concept of this episode

because I've read the comments and there's quite a few. The thing is, and the issue is, and the most important thing for those that don't understand this is you will not understand it. You need to understand that what Garcel is saying, like that's how she's feeling about this whole issue. If you're not a person of color, you don't have a leg to stand on and whether or not she should be having this reaction to what happened. okay just because you might not agree that the word attack carries more weight for a person of color

is not your place to say if you are not a person of color so i think that's the biggest thing that people struggle with understanding and they can't seem to let it go either they want to die on this hill especially in the comments of it's just a word and blah blah blah yeah it's not and i feel like that's the problem is it's already hard enough to understand how other people feel yes in general and when you add in race or subjects of sensitivity like this it becomes that much more unclear and the best thing that you can do is just listen. Let somebody talk to you and say this is how I

feel. I will do my best at explaining how I feel and what you did and how it had an effect on me. That's all you can really do. You do not explain yourself and again we're going to get into this a little bit later with Doreet, but you just can't explain yourself and over explain and act like you didn't mean anything. It's not.

You did something. Yeah, you did something. And I think that with Dorete specifically, which I kind of forgot about, she was spiraling that night because she wasn't invited to the girls night. She didn't get invited to the Garcel, Eric, and Sutton night. She was pissed about that. She started yelling about Sutton hooking up with her driver. And then she went into the whole second date thing and she started calling Sutton a prune. Like she was spiraling and did not know what to do. And nobody was helping her out. She always has Kyle stepping in last year.

She had like Rina stepping in whatever. This is a byproduct of Dorek kind of just being out on her own. She's just left out there for herself. And she's never been like that before. So she doesn't know what to do. And she is lashing out. And she does not realize what she's doing that was chef's kiss sir well done but the adjacent conversation is to read and erika jane and dearit and this is the problem because when it goes to her she's like i need time to process this i didn't say attack to trigger her and the thing with derit and i do agree with erika when she says i don't think that derit has malicious intent i don't think she's trying to say microaggressions and trigger words and things like i don't think she's trying to

to poke the bear. I don't think she knows any better. Where she's at fault is her inability to learn. She refuses to understand that she doesn't understand and will not do the necessary steps to understand. That's where I take a big issue. And instead, when you see her talk to like Erica, she's trying to rationalize it. I didn't mean it like this. I wasn't trying to do this. X, Y, Z. That doesn't matter. But you can tell because the way that Erica responds to her is. Yes. Yeah, no. I knew right away like you just don't use that type of word and and look again even erika and her confessional when it happens she said yeah derit shouldn't have used that word but she doesn't know any better right and that's it's what you do after that that matters you can make a mistake people make

mistakes all the time yes of course it's going to upset garcel but then you have to be apologetic and then just listen and derit didn't do any of those things and even later she again didn't do any of those things erika understands that and i think when derrick came over and she's talking erika about it she expected erika to have her back i think so be like, hey, yeah, no, it was crazy. Like, I don't really understand what Garcel was doing or anything like that. Erica didn't step into any of that. No, because she knows.

She just kind of left and let Dorit talk because she knows better. Yeah. And Derreet, again, just doesn't understand. No, and the frustrating part, again, for me, is not that she didn't know. It's now that it's been brought to your attention, you continue to fight it instead of accepting it and learning about it. But we'll get into that a lot more when we get to the conversation between Dorit and Garcel later. the next thing I want to talk about is Kyle and Kim and we've seen a lot of Kim this season

and it's interesting to me the more we're seeing her I'm starting to think it's intentional because I think that Kyle's played this game for so long I don't think it's a bad move I think that it's a smart move it's a smart play and I'm enjoying Kim on the screen so I'm not throwing shade at this one but I do think this was calculated to bring her back in this capacity yeah we're definitely allowed to call it out when we see it

and we can also be completely okay with it exactly same with the Roslich our theory on that or your theory on that, I'll give you credit where credits do. It'll be your theory, too. No, no, no. Do you want to join in?

No, it's okay. I don't like, I don't like... You won't hold hands? No, um, therapy. But they're going over Kim's daughter's wedding and just everybody that's going to be there and Kim's highlighting like, I don't want anybody there on bad terms.

And we know who she's referencing. What, do we? Well, I mean, there's multiple people there on bad time. Because at first I thought she was talking about Mo. That's what I thought to. And then I think that's exactly. I think she was talking about Mo. You're right.

I think she was talking about Mo and Kyle transitioned it into Kathy. Yes. And Kim didn't correct her. Yeah, I think you're right. I just worked that out. Yes, totally. So I think Moe was the intro to the conversation. And I don't know if it was an intentional pivot by Kyle.

Maybe. See if Kyle was going to start talking about Moe. Maybe. And then when she didn't, Kim just didn't bother. You can say a lot of things about Kyle. Kyle's smart. She plays this game. She knows this game.

She's an intelligent person. Like, she knows what she's doing. Smart or in denial? Both. Okay, there you go. Both, a little bit of both. But we get into the Kyle and Kathy stuff. And as we know, they really haven't talked since the reunion.

Shit got crazy there. There was an apology that we saw previous to the reunion. And it seemed that they were at least in a place where they could attempt to move forward. It wasn't an apology. I don't think from Kathy. Like, it was her best attempt at an apology, which isn't great because Kathy Hilton can do no wrong in Kathy Hilton's eyes. But they seemed that there was at least a bridge forward. After the reunion, it was scorched earth.

Kathy threw Kyle into the bus. Dorit didn't have Kyle's back. Everyone's afraid of Kathy except for Erica, so she was left out on an island. And after that, Kyle, rightfully so. And again, there's a lot of stuff that Kyle's and we've talked about this, how I'm like back and forth with it. She's going through a lot.

She's dealing with a lot. I don't think her behavior is acceptable. It's not an excuse to be an asshole. But at the same time, it's a lot of shit to try to handle it once. The good thing is there seems to be a mutual like, because Kim's talked to Kathy, Kim's talked to Kyle.

They both seem to be waiting for the other person to make a move. Kyle's like, yeah, I could move forward, but like she hasn't made any effort. I don't know if she wants to move forward. I'm also okay just separating entirely. Kim echoes that. Yeah, Kathy said pretty much the same thing.

Right. So you're both just in the stalemate of who's going to make the move first. And I don't know if that's going to like, I don't want to be the person to approach her because then I look like I'm wrong. And if she approaches me, then I look like that right. It could be. I mean, we've also seen Kyle and Kathy try to reconcile a hundred times at least. And it never works.

It always has. We've seen pictures of them recently of like, I think they. Is that just another cycle that we are used to? Or is it just a publicity thing where they're at an event together. They don't want to look like shit. So they take a picture. Could be part of that. Obviously, you know, sibling relationships.

And we've seen enough of this on the screen between the two of them and throw Kim in there as well. Sibling relationships can get very complicated. I think you and I are very happy with our siblings. Yeah. We all have good relationships and their siblings. But I do understand sibling relationships can be very complicated. And we've seen this one unfold on screen over many years. So we know the cycle that it happens.

And I think that Kyle, and we give Kyle credit for being smart, obviously it's tougher to be, you know, logical when it comes down to family. But we're finally seeing Kyle understand, do I want to make a move right now or are we just going to do the same thing over and over and over again? And I respect that. I respect that too. And I also respect Kim's point of view where it's like life's just too damn short for you guys to not talk. Yeah. Do you want to look back in 20 years and Kathy or 30 years, whatever, how many years and Kathy's no longer with us? And you didn't maintain any kind of relationship with her.

Is that really worth it? And I don't know. Only Kyle can answer that. Only Kyle can answer that. But I will say the good thing that she has going for between this new relationship is she's got Kim there to at least mediate a little bit. And look, I don't think that Kim's going to be a huge success when it comes to that. No, but at least there's a much more calming.

presence to what she used to. And you're also going to hear things from Kathy through the grapevine via Kim, not the rest of the group. Yes. It's lost in translation. And with Kim, or on like social media, but she's posting shit. Yeah. And with Kim, you have an advocate that wants this relationship to work. She's not going to use other shit to try to like make you uncomfortable. She's going to try to smooth it over. Be like, no, it's okay. Kim, Kim had a rough COVID. She just wants everybody to be friends. Yeah, she just wants to paint some walls and for everyone to be friends. But then we move on to Crystal and hip hop Rob and they're having a little family dinner and Crystal's talking about her role in the group pretty much and that, you know, people are saying to like, you don't engage

and you never speak up in the group and Rob chimes in. He's like, you have a lot to say. And we know that Crystal's a lot to say. We've talked to her multiple times. She does have opinions and they're good opinions. And she's also not afraid to say them. And she did say previously that, you know, a lot of it gets chopped out. This to me makes it seem like maybe she's holding back a little bit. But then she also gets into a very sensitive topic, which with this crew, I can understand where it's coming from because they're all losing weight.

They're all looking super skinny, super fit, whatever you want to say. And Crystal, who has been open with her eating disorder in the past, is finding it difficult in this group right now because, you know, we've seen a lot of these women go through these transformations. And, you know, Kyle is working out fucking six times a day.

You get Erica Jane and she, was she on Ozempic? I can't remember she admitted it. No, no, she's on the hormones. Hormones, yeah. Hormones, and you're just, you're getting a group of women that are getting tinier and tinier, and Crystal is feeling uncomfortable about it in her own skin. And look, Crystal looks fantastic.

She looks amazing. She's fit. She's beautiful. All the nice words. And that's objective. You can't look at her and be like, and say anything else. No, definitely not. And look, this is the difference between, and I know people are upset because Crystal

doesn't do a whole lot. She doesn't speak up enough. But this is way different than what we got with Crystal. and what is this, her third ear? Yeah. So part of me is upset because, look, you've had three years, you need to figure it out

and throw yourself out there. When it comes down to the body stuff, she's talking about it. She does. It's on camera. She's talking to Rob about it. She's being very open about it, which is super important

because, again, like at the end of the day, these reality shows, you can watch them for entertainment all you want, but people do watch them for things that might hit home with them and it might help somebody at home.

So that's great. So we're getting more out of crystal there. It's just within the group, and that's something that I'm going to complain about all the time and we hear that you know she says that she gets edited out all the time and maybe that's true but i don't think that they're going to be editing out things that are important no maybe she's talking but she's not saying anything important or anything that's driving a storyline

or anything that's going to hit home or be entertaining for the viewer at home so i want her to step up more and again this is year three like i'm giving you a pass of the first two years but so far through year three and again it's beverly hill so there's probably another 17 to 20 episodes you got time we've you've got time to figure it out i just need her to step and look this could just be the beginning of that maybe we're starting to see that and she is going to do that because there are scenes from next week or maybe we got maybe that was foreshadowing or whatever saying like i think that i need to step up or whatever wishful thinking i think but you know we will always commend her for you know the body image stuff and to sort of open about that kind of thing because it will resonate with people at home and

especially given her status you know if you see any of these women on the screen especially in beverly Hills open up about something this sensitive and somebody can watch it and go, wow, even these women deal with stuff like this. That will hit home for countless people across the world. So like that stuff we will always commend. I do want more out of her. I'm hopeful. How about that?

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And she got some tips from Alessandra that we saw earlier. You know, be a little nicer, be a little more complimentary. But in the first date, I don't know. What are you going to compliment that dude's mom? Your mom sounds like, Alessandra seems questionable to me. Yeah, I didn't really. She seems questionable to me. I don't know what her matchmaking system is, but it doesn't seem very...

She made up for it with the second date, but, like, going through the compliments, like, it sounds like this guy had a completely different story about how the date went. Oh, he totally did. He was like, I crushed it. I talked the whole time. I would have liked if she complimented me a little bit more. It's like, what do you want her to compliment you on your relationship with your mom? Yeah, your mom sounds fun.

What do you want to hear? But that's where I question, like, what did you see on paper from Bachelor? number one, that you're like, this is a good match for Sutton. Are you good at your job? Maybe, look, look, it's dating profiles. Like, people can hide behind dating profiles and act like there's somebody that they're not. That dude couldn't, mama's boy, there's no way that

fucker had a good profile. You think his mom was mentioned in his dating profile? Had to be. At least one reference. Not a lot, but maybe one. Still live with mom. It makes me think about J.T. You think J.T.'s dating profile? JT. I can't wait to talk about that episode. Yeah, on a fucking stepstool. His picture on his dating app is

him kneeling on a bar stool. with his chest out because he's an... I can't wait to talk about that episode. That was fucking comical. But on this date, we like Steve. And I texted...

I texted Sutton and said, hey, we like Steve. Steve's a good one. Obviously, this is six months ago, so... So hopefully... That's all I'm gonna say. But we like Steve. Steve was funny.

He took a couple of, like, playful digs. He was sarcastic a little bit. He's got nooky on his character. He's got Nookie on his karaoke list. And it obviously doesn't know what song that is, but as soon as he said, I'm like, no fucking chance. What if she does? What if she's a closet limp biscuit fan? That would be incredible.

I will dig on Steve a little bit. It's kind of weird to have a list of karaoke songs, 350 songs long. I agree with that. It's crazy. I thought the same thing. That's a serial killer behavior. That's a weird thing to have like a list, also a list. First off, you should have like five that you just crush and you can perform.

You saw me in L.A. I went out of my comfort zone and did a different song. It was terrible. It was fucking awful. and I was also very drunk, but it doesn't matter. You, 350's crazy. 350's a wild number. 10 is like, okay, you're all right.

But that's the thing. If you're a single dude in your 60s, 50s or 60s. A hobby, I guess. You know what I mean? Like you're going to have some weird quirks. He's got some pipes? No shot. I think he's got some.

No, I think that he is the dude. You think he's got a pipe? I think that he, oh yeah, that Steve's got a pipe for sure, without a doubt. But as far as pipes go, I think he's the dude that can carry a and then gets overconfident. Like, he's not a... I don't know. I didn't get the overconfidence thing from him.

Anybody that has a list of 350 prepped karaoke songs thinks they're good at it. He did show her the list to... So if he's not a... He's a confidence. Right. So he's either a stellar singer or he's an overly confident, mediocre to below average singer that just gets on the mic and works the room. I think he's getting it.

Either way, I think he's fine. You can win both ways. True. If you are able to... perform at karaoke and you're mediocre to below average, but you give a good performance and you work the room and get the crowd involved, that's a successful. Yeah, that is successful. Or you can be great. There's also a third option where you're too good and it's annoying, where it's like, why the fuck are you here? Oh, absolutely not. Why are you singing this stupid song? You clearly

picked, this isn't a fun song to hear. It's like a ballad or something and they're just belting it out and you're like, we get it. You sing. Like, fuck off. It's like somebody who goes up and you see them four times in the night and they're sitting by themselves. nursing a drink the entire night because they're just there for the karaoke. And you hear the DJ, he's like now at this point, he's like, and up next we've got Kelly again with Wonderwall.

Adele. Exactly. That's what I was thinking more. Kelly again with another. I've experienced that way too many times. Yeah, that's actually worse than overly confident karaoke guy. But we did get a Philly reference during the date. Did you catch it?

No. Trust the process. Sutton said trust the... She doesn't know it's a Sixers reference. Oh, okay. She said trust the process. She goes, I'm trusting the process. You'd be surprised.

And I wanted to say... Picks up a couple things from us. We've been trusting the process for like six years now. Processes. It doesn't work. It's not talking about Philly Sports today. I don't want to do that. Right, right, right.

But that takes us to the climax of this episode and what people have been talking about on socials, and that is the conversation that was had between Doret and Garcell. But to preface this, this whole thing. this whole conversation came about because of the word attack being used from Dorete towards Garcel the other night when they were at Crystal's party. And Eric is the first one to point it out. There is a different connotation to the word attack, the word aggressive, the word angry, when you're speaking to a person of color. And that is just the way it is. Whether you understand it or not, that is true. Period. It carries a different connotation. And

And even Sutton points it out to Garcel when they're on the phone. She says, yeah, because you don't want to be painted as the angry black woman. So when you use certain words and they're microaggressions and some people like to claim it's not a thing, if you read the comments, there's a thousand people that say this isn't a thing. People say the word attack all the time. They say it for the other women in the group, why Garcel wants to be treated equally. But then if you say attack, you don't understand. And that's okay.

But to die on the hill, that's what I said earlier, to die on this hill of defending your stance and saying that Garcell is flat out wrong without trying to understand that's where the problem lies and that is what Dorit is doing and that's the fucking issue. You need to know that when these words are used and somebody, a person of color,

tells you, flat out tells you, to your face, that word hits me different. Don't do that. It is not your fucking place to say, you are wrong, I am right, and here's why. It's your place to shut up, hear that, them listen and try to learn something. It is also not a person of color's job to explain to you what is racist and what is not. It's your job to educate yourself. Have a conversation that is not

brought about by you fucking up. That's how you show effort and that's how you show that you care enough to learn. Go to Garcel when you guys aren't in a tense moment. Go to somebody and have a conversation. Hey, I want to understand more. Why? Because I don't get it and they'll explain it to you. That's learning. By going to Garcel in the heat of the moment, after this all happened and said, I'm here to learn. I want to know what happened. I don't get it. Yeah. That's the whole point. I, but like at the same time, I also don't think the, it's, and we already said this, it's not on Garcel to educate. That's what I'm saying. So even Derreet going to Garcel and saying, why does this word? Like, you shouldn't even do that. I agree that. I agree with you. My point is, but that is

what DeReed is doing. Yeah. But at least that's where she starts off with. She starts off with the, why does that word affect you differently. It's like, no, you're already not getting it. We knew that going into it just based off of her conversation with Erica. You're going to go sit down with Garcel judging by how you and Erica already spoke about this situation. You already don't

get it. No. No. Doreet is never going to be able to sit down with anybody. It doesn't matter who it is. She's never going to be able to sit down with anybody and be called out for her behavior and not have some sort of argument against it. She always tries to turn it. She always tries to make it the other person's problem. It's not my

fault that I didn't understand. You didn't tell me. That's crazy. You cannot do that. And this is somebody who's Garcell, who you know is a strong woman who is sitting down telling you that she's had a really tough time for the last couple of days thinking about the things that you said. Shouldn't that hit home with you, Doreet? Shouldn't you understand like, holy shit? I didn't realize, one, clearly you didn't realize what you said was wrong, but you should be able to see the effect that it had and say, holy shit. I didn't realize how big that was and how how, how of destructful that was to just come back and say something like that.

Like, I need to sit down, shut the fuck up, and just listen to what Garcel says. Because Garcel's sitting down with you. She doesn't even have to sit down with you. No. She can just do this on her. She can just talk to you whenever she can talk around you. It doesn't matter.

She is taking the time out of her day to sit down and talk to you and explain to you why this is a problem. And Derrete is not having it. She is just trying to get out of it. And she's just trying to explain that I didn't understand. And you're not doing a good enough job

telling me why I did something wrong. It's like, no, you're, you just don't, you just flat out, don't get it. And no one is doing anything like, it just doesn't make any sense to me. The way that she went into this, it was cringe, it was so tough to watch. And it was, it was really hard because Garcel is again breaking down. Like, she went into this hoping to clear the air because she had a really tough time with it. And here she is having them even tougher time because Derreet is refusing to just accept the fact that

she was wrong. And then you get people in the comments, they're saying, like, oh, she always plays the race card and this and not it's like you don't fucking get it either okay you don't understand it's not playing a card it's probably a bunch of white people in the comments saying that and it's it's not a card to play and you know when everything happened in this country in 2020 and everything got crazy there was a lot of conversations that i learned so much during that time and it's like things that you don't recognize just because you don't understand or recognize it because you've never been in that position doesn't mean it's not a

thing i had a conversation with somebody and i had no idea about something like he literally wore and it's a it's a person that he used to work with and their trainer they would wear their college collared shirt and a college bucket hat of the school that they went to and he would wear that anytime he had a new client meeting for the first time and he would do that so that that client who was white would know that he was an educated black man and he told me that and i was floored and i was floored because I've never thought of that right because I've never had to think of that no because it's never affected me like that that doesn't mean it's not real for durie to sit there and be like well everyone else does it in the group and everyone else has attacked to everyone else yeah because

they're white they're not black and that's the point and just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that you're right and garcel's wrong it means that you need to figure something out here and educate yourself and anybody in the comments trying to fire off on Garcell right now for this. You need to do the same thing. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's not real. It just, it drives me nuts. And then I go in the comments and it drives me even more nuts because it's, it's a simple concept. There's things in this world that you may not understand. It does not mean they're not real. It does not mean they affect other people much more drastically than you. Like there's a lot of layers to this shit. And if you do not understand,

instead of taking the approach of trying to drag Garcel, trying to prop Dorit up on this pedestal that she's the one getting flawed here or faulted because Garcel called her a fucking Karen. Who gives a shit? Are you kidding me? But that was Durit just trying to turn it back around on her. Oh, that's offensive.

You can't call me a Karen. Shut up. You're a Karen. You're being a Karen. Not to mention the fact. How many times has Durit used the word triggered in the last three years? How much have we been bitching about that

because she's talking about being triggered? I'm so triggered. You are a rich white woman. Yes. You're not triggered. That's a Karen thing. Well, that would be Karen. Like, it's just, it's, it's bewildering to me.

And she's going through this whole PTSD for the fucking robbery thing. Nobody understands it. But guess what? Nobody's ripping into you. No. We are. Nobody, well, P.K. is. But no one else is ripping into you.

Like, they're just leaving you alone because they don't understand it. And they're not trying to trigger you. How are you not figuring out that people are treating you with that sort of grace? Grace. Grace and care. and you're just taking it for granted and just completely doing the opposite to somebody else who's telling you

hey that fucked me up flat out to your face this fucked me up I don't care what it is if somebody sits down with you and says hey what you said fucked me up you do not come back and say why or no you can say why I don't think so I think that there's

if you ask from a place depends on what it is trying to understand but more so I think okay I think what you're saying is you can't question you can't say like explain it to me because I don't believe you like that kind of deal that's exactly what I mean but the worst thing you could possibly do in this moment the worst thing you could possibly do and there's no way that anybody would be dumb enough to do this because that would be astounding

especially for a rich white woman to do this because that would be crazy in this moment to say that you know something along the lines of well I'm Jewish because that would be ridiculous that would be that would be the dumbest thing a human being could say in that moment lo and behold Doreet goes, well, I'm Jewish Garcel. And it's interesting to me that I'm in a marginalized group. I'm not saying that Jewish people are not marginalized by any means. So please don't take it that way. No, it's just Doreet going tit for tat because she's upset that Doree or that Garcell's upset at her.

What a wild, wild thing to say. Like, that's crazy to throw that out there. To play that card in that moment is, and I said it out loud and it was even better because it got backed up by clip. I was like, that's like saying my best friend is black when a black person says a racist. Yes. That's the exact same thing. And on cue, they run the tape from a while ago when she's trying to explain that she has black friends pretty much by saying there's people of color that work for her, which Garcel's like, what about that don't work for you? Well, my mom's best friend is black. I was like, there it is. This is why you don't get it. You do

not get it. You've never gotten it. So for Garcel to say there's a pattern. here there is a fucking pattern and you need to see that instead of defending yourself defending yourself makes you look racist if you are not racist take the time to pull back and understand or try to understand and learn just shut up and also like just to garcell's point the fact that durie's doing any of this it just shows that she's not a true friend no not at all at the end of the day she doesn't care about you at all you guys are on the same show I think garcel was sitting down with her for the reason of okay we can try to get pass this not necessarily okay we need to salvage a friendship you guys just aren't friends

and that's okay but not when you do shit like this yep like you are not only are you not a good friend you're also just not a good person no but for her then that the confessional was confusing but that was months i didn't understand the confession she's like she says i'm not aware and i understand that now it's pretty much like i need to be more aware because i wasn't is what she's saying is pretty much helpful if you said that at the fucking lunch yeah so what you You say weeks later means nothing to me. No, but they, and I think that Garcel was just playing the game because they seem like they're going to try to move forward from this.

And look, I hope that confessional is coming from a place of maybe she took the time to figure some things out over the next few weeks before the confessional. I'm not super hopeful. Well, we see that next week she sits down with a therapist and PK talk about her PTSD. Oh, boy. She figures it out. That'll be entertaining. But.

PK's laughing during the therapy session. Yeah, that's not surprising at all. But look, I think that the bottom line for me, I do not think that she has malicious. I really don't think that she's intentionally trying to be a... No, I think she's just ignorant. I think she's just ignorant. And that's not an excuse to not. No, it's definitely not.

You need to get better, but you can start from a point of ignorance and then no longer be ignorant. Yeah. But take the time. That's how it works. Yeah. Take the time to do that. And then these moments won't happen. Correct.

Feel better? Yeah, I feel better. better that was really pissing me off it was really that it was just an irritating thing to watch like and then to read the comments drove me nuts because the people that's the thing about the people in the comments they're just idiots like they'll never know they will never learn they are they are perpetually in ignorance and they are okay with that that is actually their entire personality yeah just being ignorant but that takes us to the question portion of the show and we got wow we got a lot of them so let's uh jump in up first from

Sarah Elizabeth H. Why do you think Kyle hasn't openly talked about what's really going on with Morgan? Maybe there's nothing going on if we ever think about that. Maybe they're just friends. Maybe they're, well, the timing of everything. No. Next week, it looks like they have like a weird situation, some sort of weird conversation between the two of them.

Yeah. And I know I'm going to fucking despise it. But I don't know. um maybe kyle is she probably got a lot of backlash from the music video and other things so maybe she's trying to keep things more private now maybe that that would make more sense to me she's saving it for the show or she say oh that's better from uncaged i got to throw this one in there how would you respond to another man standing on a chair to talk to you eye to i this is about j t from southern charred i'd probably have like tears of my eyes from laughing i don't think i'd be able to even see

I would laugh and if he got aggressive with me I would just kick out the bar stool honestly I wouldn't push him I would just kick the bar stool He might die He might hit his head on the bar It's just like you know think about these things When you're an adult If you are kneeling on a bar stool

To see eye to eye with somebody You cannot talk shit to them You definitely can't get aggressive with them It's like a kid's first time in a bar Like his dad finally lets to sit at the bar I'm gonna kneel on this barstool So I'm told like you That's never drank before going to a bar

Dude, don't get me started on those fucking people that turn 21 during COVID and don't know how to be at bars. Yeah, that's JT. Still a problem. That's JT. So I would have kicked out the bar stool, probably. That would have been funny. That would have been funny. From books, Mary Beth T.

What makes Garcel calling Dorit a Karen okay? Because it has no fucking meaning. Karen means whatever derogatory thing you wanted to mean about somebody being an overbearing, weird haircut having manager talking person. Like, that's all the fucking means. It's not a racist comment. It has no racial connotation. That's the fucking... Anyone can be a Karen.

Steele could be a Karen. Yeah. I have been a Karen a couple times. Usually on airplanes. Yeah. Yes, exactly. That's when I'm taking pictures on our stories, that's me being a Karen and complaining about trivial bullshit.

That's what a Karen is. Okay? That's the difference. It's not a serious accusation from Garcell to call Dorita Karen. That's a weird deflection for her to try to garner sympathy for being an idiot. I really like this question. from F-SU-F-Bilio. How do we get Tamara kicked off of reality TV?

Oh, man, you should show us the way. We'll partake. I'll do whatever I can. Now that she's fighting with like Trace Amagus or whatever, they're fucking done. Now she's going on a tour with Emily and Teddy and who- What we can do is just not watch O-C next year. We could do that.

We could do that and not support the show. Good start. That's what we can all do, guys. Let's all do that, crash their numbers. And then the good ones, the good personalities on that show, which are few and far between, can go find another job somewhere else. Doopro to Beverly Hills.

Great. Great. That's it. That's all I got. It's pretty much it for me. So, yeah, OC, bye. And by the way, we're not bluffing. If you, our listeners, don't watch it.

We will not watch it. We simply watch it for you. Oh, God. I can't wait. The worst part is a lot of our listeners hate OC. I know. They like to listen to us, hate OC. I know.

So they're going to make us watch. I know. I hate it. You guys are assholes, but we love you. Buy a ticket to our life show. All right, let's do one more. From Max June, a frequent questioner, but he asked good questions.

Max, you got good questions. Doreat's last season question mark? I don't think so. She's actually bringing up until this point, she's brought more to this season than she has in the past. I would agree with that, because last year, my main issue with her was

that she wasn't doing anything um yeah i i don't know because it depends on what kind of turn the pk storyline's going to go yeah so if she wants to put her separation with pk on blast on the show then she still has a spot but if she's not willing to do that then yeah i don't know maybe she might they're not actually separated so yeah well we'll see yeah we will see especially after if i i don't know how couples therapy is supposed to go but i don't think you're supposed to laugh at your spouse's P-T-S-B. Call them obnoxious, yeah. Again, he just keeps using the same word.

Like, change it up, dude. Yeah, yeah. Word choice. Yeah, you know what? Get one of those apps. Remember that on, like, English essays? You use the same word a couple times, the same paragraph. They put WC over it.

Word choice. I hate that red WC. Oh, dude. Dude. Fuck off. Yeah, exactly. But that's all I got. You got anything else, pal?

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