Bros & Shows - Lights, Cameras, OK Let's Fake Our Lives! (The Valley Full Recap S3E9)

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

What's up bros? Steel seems to think that this was a "better" episode while Shooter is still staunchly against that notion. While we're debating whether this show might have a future, Danny and Nia are acting like (once again) everyone is just out to get them rather than looking in the mirror and realizing they need to make actual changes not just address things off camera and come onto camera as different, happier people. We're thankful that we're seeing Doute and Luke in a better light (thanks Jermaine) while finally getting a nice scene with Michelle & Jesse, albeit the end of their divorce struggles. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

At least from where I'm sitting, much better episode. This, this I can get behind because we had lots of topics. We were actually discussing things. It wasn't like this over. We were talking about the dark stuff, but it wasn't overshadowed by like being too dark. I like this episode. This is kind of a like, let's get back on the right track episode for me. That's just ridiculous.

It was not. Dude, it sucks. I, even the, even like the description when I pulled up peacock. pissed me off. I didn't like I didn't even want to click okay. It's getting to the point for me right now, which is good. This is good. We've got parody right now because you can, uh, what's the word? I don't want to say bagpipe. I feel like that's a little too much because I know you're not bagpipe in the show. That's for sure. But you're supportive of this show right now, at least this episode. You're supportive of the episode. It was a better episode. Yeah. And I want shows to be good. So if I see

things or I'm like, all right, this is like in the right direction. I like where we're going with this. I like the involvement of the majority of the cast. Like this to me, fundamentally was a better produced episode than the ones that we've seen this season. I give it two scenes that I didn't want to rip my face off of my face. Well, the thing with you also, though, that's better. That's better though. That's better though. Last year it was no scenes.

Progress for sure. It's just like with you because of who you are and how you are, once you hate something, it's next to impossible to flip you. And that's where I get frustrated. But the onus is on them. It's not even on me anymore. It's their fault. But you're a sticker.

Yeah, they put me here. Well, we'll talk about it. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma.

And yes, I am a bitch. Brav Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. for everybody for whoever wants to listen i am your co-host steel russell joined as always by stickler mcgets what's up dude that guy that's pretty funny because it kind of sounds like big tits and uh this show was all about fits today it's a boobcentric episode it was very boop not only were there actual boobs but also

the people on the show are boobs so you know that i'll get you that um yeah they somehow did some I forget if it was this show or like Southern Charm, but there was at one point we were talking about like drinking problems when that was running rampant for a long time. Yeah, that was a lot of different shows. A year and a half ago, I think everybody had a drinking problem. And I can't remember which show it was, but we came to the conclusion that all they have to do is just say,

everybody has a little bit of a drinking problem. Can we move past it? I don't think it was Valley. I think it was a different show. And I'm like, can we just like move past it? It may be like OC or Beverly Hills. I don't know. It was Southern Charm.

It was when Craig was going through all that shit allegedly going through nothing because he fucking lied about it, but whatever. Correct. Yeah. I thought it was Southern Charm. But either way. So we came up with the conclusion that if you just say and everybody openly admits like, yeah, we always have a little bit of a problem with drinking.

Everybody in the group has a little bit of a problem with drinking. When we get too drunk, we do stupid shit. Let's just set the bar right there. And then if you go over that bar, that's okay. somehow this show has made that a bad thing where now it's gone from like what do you mean Danny has a drinking problem we all have drinking problems and usually that would be a positive for us because we're like good let's all recognize it have one episode where we just get it all out there and then everybody's back to like even playing field no I have I have a feeling that

now especially after these scenes that I watched that we're going to start doing that and nia and danny are going to start doing that and then jazz thank god jasmine and Kristen kind of squash that immediately because if that draw on for a long time, I would have absolutely moved all with my life. I would have. And I moved on with my life up in heaven. I would have moved on. Yeah, I know. I got what you were saying. Yeah. My next one. Everybody did. But yeah, I got that one. No, I know exactly what you mean because Nia trying to use it as minimizing like that. It actually didn't play to her favor because what it does is highlight why it's such a a problem with daddy doesn't because everyone does yes you're right everyone here has somewhat

problematic relationships with alcohol and they still don't do the shit your husband does so like all you're doing is showing us even worse and my god dude my god the amount of fucking danny supporters and i know that they're all going to church on sunday coming out in the comments trying to minimize what the fuck this guy did his attitude towards his wife the defense of he was joking well his joke folks fucking suck. And all the people that try to defend Danny, they're trying to use logic that's irrational. They're going around in circles trying to defend this guy. Shut up. I don't, I don't need to hear it. I don't need to read it. You sound ridiculous. You are this weird male sympathizing, Bible thumping dumb dumb. If you think that his behavior is even remotely okay with how he's talking to

his wife, somebody said, that's how my husband talks to me. That sucks for you. Because he shouldn't talk to you that way. Yeah. Like, that's not a good defense of. That's actually proving my point. So, again, I wanted to get that out of the way because reading some of that shit, he's got to be joking. Like, don't give this guy an out.

And the only out that you're trying to use is, well, it's a traditional family. There's a reason we're moving away from that. It's misogynistic and stupid. And it allows men like Danny to act the way that they're acting with no repercussions. As a matter of fact, it actually gives them supporters. And that's stupid. Shut up, knock it off, like take the blinders off, recognize what's going on and see this man for who he is. The other people I need to address.

The people that are saying, oh, yes. Oh, yes. I got another one. The people that are saying, oh, you keep saying like that Janet, like the way she went about it, like that's the problem. You can't just agree and take her side. You're supporting Danny and you're like, no, here's the thing. And this is what we're saying. When we say the way that Janet went about it was wrong,

it's because we want to nail this guy to the cross, no pun intended. What she did, I believe Janet. I'm team Janet now, which I never thought I would say. But because of what she did, because of how she went about it and said what she said with no evidence,

it leaves the door open for Danny and Nia to wiggle out of it. If we want to nail this guy, we have to have some concrete evidence. evidence so we can make it stick so we can really drag them. That's all we're saying. Because she went about it the way she did, I'm not saying she's wrong. I do believe that there's some nefarious things going on. But the way, the wording that she used gives Danny and Nia an out because they can say,

you're speaking hyperbolicly. That's a crazy thing to say. It's a crazy label. Whatever they're going to do, it gives them an out. I don't want them to have an out because I think Danny's a certified piece of shit. I want to drag him. that's all. That's what we're saying.

Okay. So there, I'm not addressing them as harshly as the, the Danny defenders, because that's just fucking ludicrous. But yeah, I feel better now.

I'm happy that you love Nia into that, though, because I'm done with Nia officially. I'm done with defending Nia. She is right where she wants to be. Unfortunate as that is. I'm done. I don't need to really waste my time

on saying that, you know, she deserves better. I'd be quicker to understand where people are coming from who are defending Amanda Batula than the people who are defending Danny at this point. That's where I am.

And the grand scheme of the bravoverse right now and the way that that goes, that's unheard of. But it's true. I would much rather hear somebody out who's like, well, this is why Amanda did that. I would listen to them for the sheer audacity of them actually starting a sentence that way because I really love that take and I just love hot takes in general. But there is no hot take associated with Danny. He's just a piece of shit.

That's all he is. And when he said later in the episode, he's like, yeah, if I want to talk about it, I'll come home and have a discussion with you. I'll go talk to my therapist about it. When he says those things, I'm like, I don't think you have a therapist. I think you just have a buddy at the church. He's a wellness coach.

The wellness coach is definitely just like a buddy of his that used to be a youth pastor when he was at the church. And I just can't with them anymore. I'm so dumb with both of them. They both need to get the fuck out of here. I think the show will be so much better. Look, it's not a good show to begin with, but I think it'll at least get back to an average show

without these two dragging it down. It's season after season. And when it comes to Janet, we agree the terminology that she used was wrong. That's all it was. The rest of it is fine. And for all the people out there that are like, well, she didn't have the substantial evidence that she needed. She got pretty fucking close. I mean, we all got close.

If we're seeing on camera and there's multiple people, Jasmine, Melissa, Janet, Brittany, everybody talking about how Danny gets and how weird he is and creepy he is around other girls when he's drunk. That's enough to like. allude to the fact that he has a drinking problem that gets somewhat associated with some weird sexual misconduct, allegedly. Those types of things are fine. It's just the way that Janet brought it up, said sexual assault, said all of those things. Those are the problems where it's like, all right, you went a little too far with your terminology. But your evidence is pretty fucking well-founded, honestly.

So I have no problem. Yes, she was doing it to be messy, but also like there is a part of me the believes that she saw all of this. And she just wanted to report it. She wanted to talk about it on reality TV. it got them into a weird place. They should have just fucking left. Did you think it was going to get better coming back to this show after you move an hour out of the valley to continue to do this show and showcase your terrible behavior,

your terrible marriage, your husband's terrible instincts, his drinking problem, all of those things? Did you think it was going to get better and you were going to find a way to like get through to clear grounds? No, absolutely not. So I blame them wholeheartedly. I think that they need to fucking go or this show is just going to be kaput. The rest of the episode, it was fine.

I mean, I obviously I speak in hyperbolics pretty often, especially when a show really just grinds my gears. It's just hard to look. That's such a core concept of this of this show right now that it's really hard to see the other things around it. Like I actually really liked, I don't know if they actually ended up getting divorced, but I do like Michelle and Jesse talking at the end of the episode because it was the most honest conversation I think I've seen the two of them have since they've been on the show. I thought that Michelle talking to Lala rolled my eyes a couple of times. because it's la la but still fine completely fine luke and dote seemed to be getting along a little bit

better zach is always a pleasure to watch on screen benjy zero words this episode real bummer but the rest of it is just so bogged down by danny and nia at this point it's like what are we you're supposed to go from here i agree and you know there was some other people the defense is well he has a drinking problem it's not fair to call him a piece of shit that's because he has a drinking problem let me yeah exactly and you understand it let me let me clarify on All right. When I was in the midst of my alcoholism, I was a piece of shit. I, me. You used to be a piece of shit.

Correct. But the misconception that because you have a problem, you're somehow absolved is not true. He is a, Danny is a piece of shit. Not Danny's drinking problem. He is a piece of shit. Is it because of the booze? Hopefully, that means he can fix it. But I don't know.

And for people to try to give him an out, because he has a drinking problem, you can be sympathetic to the problem. It is not a pass of his behaviors. He is the one committing those behaviors. It's up to him to rectify those issues, but you don't give him a pass because he has a problem. That's not how this works. And people tried to explain that to me. I was like, all right, dude, relax.

This is how it goes. Like you in the midst of it, everything you do, it's 100% on you, period. There's no wiggle room there. That's something we're taught in rehab. Just because you had a problem does not mean that your actions and behaviors can somehow, you have to make amends, you have to own up to it, you have to take accountability. Those are things you have to do to move forward. And because of that, you will lose relationships with people.

There's people that don't talk to me anymore because of my drinking back in the day. That's something I have to live with. That was because of what? My behavior. So don't try to give him a pass because of that. He needs to address it. And like I said, hopefully that is the reason because that does mean he can get better. Am I confident in that?

Not even remotely. But that's how that goes. Okay. So now that we've laid out the particulars, we can get into the episode. Yeah, let's get into the episode. Whatever we can get into, we're going to get into. Damn straight. It's lovely, absolutely lovely to see Doty and Luke getting along again.

Like, we never questioned the love for each other. And obviously, I point to production a lot for, and I'm not taking away from Luke, like he said some really stupid shit, like really stupid shit. And hopefully he has learned from that, at least from watching this back. Maybe he's going to recognize like, oh, maybe if we have another kid, I won't talk about having sex every time. Or maybe if you have another kid, like, I won't talk about how I don't get to go fishing anymore. Like those are all on him. But they do have a good relationship. They have a happy marriage.

It's nice to see them getting out of the trenches, getting back to each other. this scene made me smile. They're just joking around back and forth. You know, he just keeps talking about her boobs. But in like a fun, like happy way, because she's laughing about it. So to see them get back to just happy made me very happy. Yeah. And again, that that's the thing that we kind of realized, I think like episode three or four,

that we weren't seeing the whole scheme of their relationship. We weren't seeing the nice conversations. Yeah. And then we finally got a glimpse into the nice part of their relationship while they were down in San Diego. So I'm happy to see that that's continued. And obviously, the air is a lot lighter. And that's what's going to happen. And that's why we talk about the timing of filming and everything. Kristen's getting through it. And I guarantee you now if they were to film, she wouldn't be going through all of the things that she's going through in the current times, through post-partum,

through having the baby, through not really being sure like, oh, yeah, Kaya spit up and I feel really upset. And I like, I feel guilty that we went out after she spit up. All of those things would probably come to a much more easygoing place had we started filming now. And that's probably what we should have done. And we're going to keep saying that. But to see the two of them sit down after what we went through in the first couple episodes, we're like, oh, God, they hate each other. They're going to break up.

And even the mid-season trailer that popped off after this, it's once again like, oh, I don't think we can get married. If this is like, that's probably just a one-off comment. They got into a fight and Luke was probably drunk, whatever. So I have no real qualms with them anymore. I'm completely fine with them. I still have a qualm with Kristen turning a blind eye to Dan. his behavior and we see a lot of that this episode but the rest of it is completely fine as long as

as they're in a good place we're in a good place that's all that really matters yeah it did make me nervous when they're talking about danny and it's like you know for some reason i'm going to keep pursuing danny about this quote unquote drinking problem it's like guys i know your friends i know you want to defend him but like yeah the evidence is pretty obvious like every single time this guy boozes at least on tv we see this and that's like we're gonna talk about it a lot more later but these apologies don't mean shit if you don't correct the behavior like that's where i go to and we'll talk about that in a minute but first of all why can't you walk down a hill la la i i have no it's not like you're climbing everest this is a hill in california it's a paved road i'm fine with the term of like

fuck hiking completely cool with that if hiking is not your thing and you don't want to do it i tend to believe that if I were in California, if I lived in L.A., I'd probably do it once and never want to go back because I just don't give a shit about it. So if you want to take that stance, go for it. Absolutely. But the climbing back down was very, very interesting. I know what she, it's not like you're running. Like, if you're running downhill and you feel like your knees starting to buckle a little bit, that's a little scary sometimes. But it's not that high of an incline. You're not going to fall and start rolling. At least you shouldn't unless you're completely uncoordinated. Maybe that's her problem. Maybe she's just very uncoordinated. Maybe she has

vertigo. Maybe she does. And then I apologize and I take that that back. Same seems if that's what's going on. Yeah. I agree. If that's what's going on, more power to you. You know, let's get some awareness going out there. How brave of you to go on that hill. You know what? There you go. I'm completely flipped. You're a warrior. Good for you to face your fears. God. A vertigo icon. Lala. Anyway. But no, I actually kind of liked this scene because we really haven't talked a whole lot. about what Michelle like, yeah, we've got like comments here and there about Jesse being difficult to deal with.

We have questions about the divorce. Is it actually pending? Is Jesse just refusing to sign? So getting more into that and getting more information and how Michelle feels about everything, that was more important to me. But the finances, Jesus Christ, Jesse is fucking awful with finances. You can't spend $200 to pay for Isabella's health insurance. What are we doing here?

And when they talk about it and they get like deeper into it, like, where does you get all this money for shoes? He's probably in crippling credit card debt. He strikes me as the kind of guy that has like credit cards through his business, through his LLC. He's probably got four of them. And then he's got high balance credit cards that are just running through and buying shoes and buying suits. And he's just living in crippling debt. That's what I imagine. So he's not liquid enough to give you cash.

But don't put that on Lacey because I do not believe that Lacey is giving that man a dime to do anything. There's no way. She is pumping all of her money into her doomsday bunker. Yes, correct. And I think, I think what happens, he probably, when he gets his TV paycheck, that goes directly to his credit card bills. And it probably doesn't even get half of it. That's what I think. And that $300,000 loan, all of that stuff.

And that's what they're talking about, Lala and Michelle. And she's reached a place where she just wants to move on. she has accepted okay fine i will eat that 150k just so we can move on from this whole thing that's the level of like fuck it she's gotten to with this whole thing we have a lovely scene at the end of the episode with those two but yeah it just lays out this picture of you know what it's like try to get divorced with jesse and because of the debt i do imagine that's probably the hold up he wanted to make sure that she would be on the hook for half of that loan that he took out and God knows what he spent it on, that SBA.

But anyway, but we get to Zach and Doty, and they're talking about the Nia stuff. Now, what I will say, I appreciate that Doty took what Lala said and actually is like, all right, let me actually address this. It does immediately raise concerns about, all right, well, where was this last year with Jasmine,

which is addressed later on? But I'm glad that she didn't just chalk it up to, well, I know Danny really well. It doesn't mean a whole lot, knowing that she is currently defending Danny on social media at every left turn, but at least she's willing to have this conversation. And Nia comes over,

and it's like, hey, don't want to point this to like be some kind of big deal, but noticing some behavior, wanted to point it out. All I get from Nia is, I'm not doing this on TV. I'm sweeping this under the rug.

We have great communication. No, you don't. We've watched. it if you have great communication behind closed doors i don't know but facing on how you guys talk to each other namely how danny talks to you both in public drunk or not drunk that's the thing that she seems to forget we saw the scene at the amusement park like yeah he was sober and if he wasn't not only that good we go on yeah finish your thought i was just going like if he was drinking before the amusement park thing that's further proof that when he drinks he's an asshole further proof

that he shouldn't drink or he was sober which tells you me that even sober, he talks to you like shit until we bring up sex. Then he gets a smile on his face and cracks a joke. So you trying to say that we're communicating well. And then your big argument here is he apologized right away. He always apologized and takes accountability. Apologies don't mean anything anymore. If the behavior continues, we've watched this show now for three years.

Season one, we didn't get a big glimpse of Dan. We didn't get a whole lot of what could potentially be a bad Danny. Season two was all about that. Season three has been all about that. So we're talking years, two years of this shit, two years of not changing that behavior, two years of continuing to drink. And if your big claim is that's how he gets sometimes when he drinks

and he's not correcting that behavior, I don't care if you say sorry. Take that sorry and shove it. It doesn't mean shit anymore. I fully agree with the apology standpoint. I mean, we, we could say that about a lot of people on reality TV. We can say that about a couple people on this show, especially Janet. I mean, Janet, yeah, she's taking a bit of a backseat.

I think that's a production called, not really her own behavior. I think she's going to take it even further backseat with Jason's ACL. But I think the big problem for me is when we get to a scene like this, I can't take them seriously. I just can't actually invest in anything that Nina says, anything that Danny says, because of the one line, which we already knew going into the season, We knew it from last season. And then you guys confirmed it on TV.

Your mic is still on. Take your mic off if we're going to talk about it. We don't like to talk about these things in front of other people, which tells me you don't like to talk about real things on camera. So everything that you bring up on camera is fake now. That's just where we are. So everything you say on camera, I don't care. I truly don't.

And it's actually worse because you're now trying to spin it into other people's problems, not just your own problem. So you're not fixing the problems that you have at home. Danny's making empty apologies. He's not changing his behavior. and now your idea is, let's sit down and talk about this. How do we want to go about it?

Well, they've all got drinking problems. They've all got problems with us. They want to go after us for some reason, but they never look at themselves in the mirror. Like, you guys aren't looking at yourselves in the mirror. So, like, why does that fucking matter? But my big issue with all of this and everything that you just said is, who the fuck wants to get drunk and go to an amusement park?

I don't want to get drunk on a goddamn roller coaster. What am I going to do? That's what, no. You know, you smoke weed and you get on a roller coaster. That's fun and frightening as shit. but that's about it. Drink it. They have,

I don't know if you've been like a roller coaster. No, no, dude. Like playing the game's trunk is, it was fun. That's a carnival more so for me. I guess,

yeah, boardwalks and stuff. But yeah, carnivals. I think a, is a middle ground of theme park and carnival. It definitely is.

Yeah. So if we're talking amusement park, I'm thinking like Dorney Park, six flags, not getting drunk and going on King Dicaa. Like, what are we doing here? That would be a nightmare.

Edible and shut that one down, actually. You might have a hard. Yeah. because it was unsafe. When I went there, they were testing King to Koff and no shit. We were walking in from the parking lot. It got up and they had the, you know, they put the dummies in for the first over many times.

Saw a dummy from the top fall to the bottom and hit the ground. Yep. So never wrote that one. That's incredible. But yeah, I mean like I, you have a drinking problem if you want to get drunk and shit and go to a roller coaster. That's a drinking problem to be. That's fair. That's guilty.

Anyway. And like the other thing is, and then we can move on to the next scene, you know, her claim is he gets spicy with me and nobody else. We just watched him get spicy with Lala. We've seen him get spicy, quote unquote, with other people. And that's also not okay. If he only gets spicy at you, that should not be a recurring theme. That's not like a good thing. It's like he only yells at me.

It's fine, guys. He berates me in public. in front of all of you, but he said, sorry. He's sorry. So it's okay. People don't want to accept his apology because they just won't accept that he's actually a nice guy. People don't want to accept his apology because we've got a mark on us and they're coming after us. Like, no, like everybody can see you guys for who you are in your marriage for what it is.

That's the big problem here. But I don't know. The more that she talks about it, the more irritated I get. But yeah. I do want to say, just in reference to earlier with my rant, if you are Christian and you believe in Christianity, I have zero qualms with you. Zero, none at all. Like, you believe what you want to believe. I wasn't attacking all Christians.

It's a certain type of person that takes that and uses it to, to absolve themselves of doing shit like Danny and be like, well, you know, it's like that's. So I just wanted to clarify so that I'm not like yelling at all. religious people. You realize that like if people really had a problem with that, they turned us off like 10 minutes ago. So they didn't hear your apology. That's a good point. And I will not be editing your apology to put it right now. Should I do that?

No, no. Disclammer. I don't know. That's up to you. You make your decision there. Hey, I just want to say after you go on your like long rant about Christianity and I just put it in here, I just want to say, guys, I have no problem. No problem at all with you. your beliefs. I don't. I know you don't. It's just a certain type of person that uses it as an excuse

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And I appreciated this, because Lala, San Diego, that's important to note. It's also important to note because I have to give her credit, the way that Lala has approached this whole thing, it hasn't been like the Lala of old where it's just like super combative and like I'm going to say everything I want to say and cause a ruckus. It was more so like, hey, this is where I'm coming from and this is why I'm concerned. It draws parallels to what I've been through, blah, blah, blah. She took a very pragmatic approach, which I appreciate.

So the fact that Danny again can sit here and go, I don't understand. I owned up to it. I don't know how else to like get through these scenes because that's not enough, dude. Actions are louder than words. Your actions over the past at least two years that we've seen, if not more, because we didn't get a lot of it in season one.

it tells me that you are a dick. It tells me that you're not changing. It tells me that you want to use this quote-unquote wellness coach that you have and your quote-unquote therapist that you have. And Nia leans on the therapy thing a lot too. She's like, oh, well, we have our own therapists. So leave us alone. That doesn't absolve you of everything.

And yet they're trying to take that approach of like he said, sorry. Sorry's not enough when you keep doing it, Dick. Yeah. I audibly said, give us a fucking break when they went back to back scenes with Nia giving her spiel to Zach and Kristen and about to cry, saying, oh, they're attacking us. They're attacking us. And then we go to the next scene and it's Nia and Danny. Give us a fucking break. Give us a buffer.

I don't care what it is. Throw Benji in there to just talk for a couple minutes to get his word count up. That would be awesome. I need to see him talk more. And then you can go into Danny and Nia because then I'll at least be in a better mood and I'll be happier to watch somebody else talk. But no, no break, no rest for the weary. We just get thrown right back into Danny and Nia. And the thing about Lala, I've been trying to wrap my head around why this is so different.

I think because it's like an actual problem. I think because it's like an actual issue. She actually has feelings. Like this is a real feeling that Lala had watching it probably prior to San Diego, then seeing it in action at a very, very ramp up level down in San Diego. This is a real problem. So she's actually having real feelings about this. So this might actually be maybe.

maybe the most authentic that we've seen Lala about like seven years. So that's probably why it feels so different and why she's not going overboard with everything. At least I don't think she is right now. She could easily go overboard. I'm always waiting for that other shoe to drop. She stayed contained, man.

Like every time I thought she was going to pull a Lala or Lauren, she has her. She doesn't trust her. I cannot trust her. And look, if she makes it through the entire season, we will have a whole discussion about how Lala was actually pretty good this season. But right now I'm still waiting for the other shooter to drop.

But with Danny and Nia, like, God, this, everything's so fucking rehearsed. Like, oh, yeah, I know I was venting on the ride home with you yesterday, but like, let me finish that discussion. You finished that discussion. You guys talked on the ride home. I want to hear what Danny said as soon as you brought it to them. Like, you should actually in your contracts now after saying what you said down in San Diego,

they should put into your contract right away, a little amendment that says, you two can't talk until we get cameras. You guys are not allowed to talk unless there's cameras there. Just put cameras in their car, put cameras everywhere. Literally. They can't hide. Yeah. And have it on all the time and make sure it's like parent locked and you guys are the parents

and they're the children. Like that's what we need at this point because I don't believe that you guys didn't have a full discussion about this. And then how you're going to talk about it when the camera comes around. And when Danny's sitting there, again, he says how many times do I have to apologize? I don't understand it. Like I was genuine in my apology. We watched you apologize La La last week.

It was a fake apology. It looked like shit. It was a barely, it was barely an apology. You went to your confessional and said as much. Exactly. You go to your confessional and you're like, I don't really understand this. I guess I'm just going to apologize so that we can move forward. It's not genuine.

So don't sit here the next week and sit down with Nia and say, I don't get it. I genuinely apologize. You fucking didn't, dude. And you said it. We're using your own words against you. So everything they do is fake as hell. They just irritate the shit out of me. I completely agree.

And them trying to take the approach of everybody has a drinking problem. That's working against you. Once they start that fucking. I can't stand. Like that that's the worst thing. And we talked about at the beginning of the episode. As soon as those words left his mouth, nope,

I don't want to do this. I can't do this. This is just stupid. No, and it's highlighting once again. Yes, everybody on this show drinks too much sometimes. Sometimes a lot.

They don't do what Danny does. So that's the difference. They get in spats. They do stupid shit. They cause a commotion. Sure, they make some tension in the group, but it's tension that's like,

Like, hey, you called me an asshole or, hey, you spilled your drink on me and blamed me for it. Like shit like that. It's not, hey, you smack Jasmine on the ass and she feels a certain way about it because it made her wildly uncomfortable. That's a wildly inappropriate thing to do. That's not happened to anybody else on this entire show. And these people drink a lot. So what's your defense there? Like, that's not a good blanket statement to try to get you out of it.

it's more so highlighting. Wow, you really must have a problem then because out of all these drunk idiots, you're the worst and you do the worst things. Easily. Don't use that. It was so dumb. As soon as they said that, I was like,

wow, you guys have no clue like what we're watching and how we're seeing you. You have no idea. It's fucking embarrassing, honestly. No, they suck. And when he says,

do I just need to stop drinking in front of the group? Great start. Be a great fucking start. But he said that before. And then you did stop drinking. front of the group. People started questioning if you were taking shots and you're like, nah, it's just like a will of this shot. It's not a big deal. And then we got a

clip of you taking a shot in the closet. Yeah, dude. So like, we know that this is going on and you tried to stop drinking in front of the group and then you went right back to drinking with the group. So what happens? I mean, that's pretty much what happened. We saw that when they went to that cigar lounge when he was sitting down face to face

with Jason because they have to squash their issues. And he was like, yeah, I'm not drinking. I don't want to drink. It's like, okay, good. That's a good start. Cool. You go to San Diego. go and immediately you start drinking it as a problem. What does that say? Exactly. And he's like,

they tried to do it last year. Why? Again, you're outing yourself. They did it last year, a year ago. 365 days ago you were having the same problems. What does that tell you?

Like, fucking knock it off. Dum, dumb. Yep. They're fucking annoying. They annoy the shit out of me. But to get to Brittany and Lala.

I actually like both of them in this episode. I thought Brittany had a decent episode, all things considered. And they're doing a crab boil before she has all of her surgeries she's getting the tummy tuck a boob removal it's not only a milestone for her physically but this is also kind of like the last little thing that jacks has on her and like i i there was there was something moving about it i felt good for her i felt sad for her in the same time like she's been through a lot of shit and i know a lot of people say like

she know who she married and all that stuff but at the end of the day her annoying stuff aside, it is nice to see her, like, coming out the other side for Lala to say something like, I'm so excited for you to feel the way that we've always seen you. Like, it was just a really nice scene. And regardless of how you feel about her marriage to Jax, she has been through it. So to see her kind of coming out the other side, it made me happy. And she irritates me a lot. But this genuinely made me happy.

Yeah. I can see how you would think that. I'm just eager to move on from all Jacks talk. So hopefully this is the end of it. This is, again, the last thing that she needs to get rid of Jacks for the rest of her life. And obviously, you know, they've got a child together so that'll never happen. But at least we could stop talking about him. So we can get the mommy makeover.

She can stop saying mommy makeover, which weirdly irritates me. But I think everything she says in her voice just irritates me. So we can move forward with everything. I thought it was nice. Again, I thought Lala was being genuine. But I thought it was more nice that everybody showed up. We didn't have any hangar buyers. We didn't have any like, all right, yeah,

I'm just going to, I don't know, let's see how this goes. And then Nia shows up with her babysitter and goes, the babysitter's here so she can watch the baby and I can hang out with everybody. I thought that was fucking hilarious. You brought the babysitter down to San Diego and you wanted the baby and that's your hip the entire time. But for this, for a crab boil. Yeah, let's bring the babysitter in here so she can watch. I thought that was just funny as shit.

But I mean, I do have a question. Like, if you're getting surgery the next day, are you doing a seafood boil or what? I thought the same thing. I was like, that's a bold move. That's a strong move. I don't think she was drinking. I don't know.

I don't know. She had to get anesthesia the next morning, so I doubt it. A crab boil before serious surgery was a choice. I thought the same thing. I was like, I kind of respect. I was not even like,

I was waiting for like the very weird delusional, uh, comparison of like, this is my, my last meal before I get my boot. Like I was trying to, I was, I was trying to draw parallels between like crabs and boobs or crabs in like renewing.

Like I couldn't figure anything out, but I was waiting for some weird wisdom in there. They shed their shells. Yeah. Maybe that's a. Okay. That's where you get soft shell crab from. Yeah.

She's going from a hard shell crab to a soft shell crab. There's something there. There's definitely something there. So maybe we'll try. I just thought it was a bit of a choice. Very big choice. I did too. Like I had.

I kind of respected the move. It's like, fuck it. I'm going to have a crab boil before this. So, yeah, good for her. But it was a nice scene.

It really was. And we get to, oh, the other thing to note in this scene is Janet's starting to really ingratiate herself back into the group,

which if this show is going to succeed, it needed to happen. It probably needed to happen way earlier. Yeah, but the fact that we're getting there, she's involved in the scenes, because what Janet will bring to a scene,

Janet will push narratives. Janet will get back into the action. She's still treading lightly right now, which is good. She jumps the gun. It's going to fuck everything up again. But we need her presence in this show because she's a driving force. Whether you like her or not, it's kind of irrelevant. It's about the show and the functionality of it.

She will push this show forward. And we needed her back in the mix. It's nice, honestly, even having Jason back in the mix. It's like, even it does not matter how you feel about either of them. They need to be on this show. They need to be a part of this show. And so they're getting back into that and that I appreciated. Yeah, I agree.

Now, let's get to Zach and Lala. They're at the crowd boil and Nia comes over to join. And we get this awkward kind of back and forth between Lala and Nia. Nia is explaining her side of things or sorry, Lala is explaining her side of things. knee is placating here 100%. I didn't think she was taking anything into account. I think she was trying to get through this without having to get into it. But it does bring up an interesting point because Jasmine's sitting behind Doty. Like what the fuck?

Because where was this last year? And we get clips of Doty screaming at Janet on behalf of Danny, not on behalf of Jasmine. And Jasmine even says like, you know, Janet took it too far. But I did appreciate that she had my back. She's having kind of a perspective shift. I think a lot of us are over this season specifically. It's a much bigger perspective shift to look at the whole situation again, which is good. But I felt for her here because I'm sure she's sitting there going, hey, what the fuck?

And not for nothing. And as she points out, she is black, gay, and a woman. So she has to fight three times harder in her life, just in society in general. So in this moment, she's looking at this situation going, okay. So Lala has a problem. going to hear la la out we're going to sit there and listen to her and acknowledge what she's going through acknowledge her feelings i'm sitting behind you and i feel i don't feel seen i feel looked over and i feel now i have to question the motives why is this happening is it because of race and

that sucks that sucks balls and i'm glad that she spoke up i'm really glad that she had her moment there to be like time out hand up this is fucking bullshit like and then dody saying like you're drunk i was like don't do that like don't minimize Yeah, because we already started down that path. I don't want to continue going down that. That should not be something that we're going to highlight. But I mean, there's, I'm happy again, like we talked about it before, that Jasmine and Kristen immediately had a conversation about this and it didn't hang over us for like four episodes.

But maybe there's more history between Doty and Lala. I tend to think actually that Doty knows that what Danny was doing and actually saw it and heard it like first account that what Danny was doing was wrong. And she knows that deep down, but for whatever reason she's still defending Danny. So I think that might be something along the lines here where it's like what Janet was saying. We all hate Janet. Whatever she's saying is bullshit. I haven't seen anything firsthand that he's been weird or creepy towards other women.

He doesn't look like he has a drinking problem outside of whatever everybody else is doing in this group. But when it comes to Lala, there might be more like I kind of know what you're saying is the truth, but I'm still going to defend Danny. So it might be that. I don't really think it's about race. But obviously Jasmine feeling that way is completely her prerogative. She feels that way. In Dallas, yeah. shut down too like immediately met with well you're drunk you got to stop drinking it's like

christ did you don't do that too like what are we doing here like this is bullshit so that was all bullshit but nia again this whole thing like you said she was just placating everything she was just like yeah whatever i don't really know i mean that's not the dany that i know i hear you i hear you yeah yeah it's just bullshit like you have so much to say when you're in a seat with dany you have so much to say when it's Zach and Kristen there, but in front of the rest of the group, the actual perpetrators, if you want to look at them like this,

of what's going on, you have nothing to say. You're just going to hear them out. And then what? Probably get on the phone with Danny, cry, talk about how he's being targeted again. And then we're going to come back

next episode with a completely different energy. And then we're going to see Danny do some stupid shit. And I'm like, that's why this keeps happening. He cannot stop himself. Even when he's aware that everybody is hyper aware of his behavior, of what he's doing. Everyone's looking at everything he does.

with a magnifying glass, he's still doing it. And then we have to watch these scenes where you're like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and you're going to call him, you're going to bitch about the entire group, you're going to say they keep doing it, they keep coming after you, but you're never going to ask yourself why they keep coming after you. Yeah. And that's a massive problem for me. Big problem.

But anyway, I'm glad that at least Doty had a different perspective here when she sits down with Jasmine. This was a nice scene. This was an important scene, I think, for the show as a whole. And also for Jasmine to be able to say this and to hear. I thought that the reasoning that Doty said made sense where she's like, look, my hatred for Janet completely overshadowed everything. I was so focused on shutting her down and making her look like shit that I completely forgot about you because Jasmine just. goes through her feelings with the entire thing where it's like, you know, I had these issues.

I had these problems. And meanwhile, all you're doing is sticking up for Danny. You're entirely sidestepping my side of the story. And Doty just sits there and accepts it. She's like, you know what? You're right. And I'm really glad you said that because I never want you to feel that way. And now I know and I'll do better in the future.

It's the perfect reception. She didn't try to say, yeah, but she sat there. She received it. Jasmine was able to say it. And that's what we needed very badly because we want these two to be good. We don't want to keep having snafus within the group. And this is a very important moment for Jasmine. And she has every right to feel the way she feels.

It's a very important moment for the show because like we've said now multiple times, this could have hung over our heads for weeks and it would have been a bigger issue. Happy that they squashed it right away. I thought this was the absolute correct approach to Kristen, listening to Jasmine, feeling how she feels, getting through all of it, letting her just get it all off of her chest. and then not saying anything stupid or not telling her that, you know, I'm going to diminish your feelings of this moment and tell you that none of that's true.

Like none of those things happened. It was, honestly, it was textbook. It was absolute textbook of how you're supposed to handle that situation. And it was good, quick and easy. And Jasmine,

we've seen her multiple times. I mean, she sat with Danny last year. She sat with Janet. Every time that she has a problem, like, I think Jasmine can be good. I think she's a normal person that actually can be a good friend.

I don't, I still don't really think that like there's really a spot for her on the show because I think she's a little too normal. but I do think that when we ever have an issue like this, we should now learn that Jasmine's not going to hold on to it because there's no real reason to do it. Holding on to animosity never gets us anywhere, especially in a show like this.

So I was happy to see that it got squashed. I wish that Kristen could sit down with other people that are blaming Danny for his actions and hear them out, but maybe we'll get there. I hope so. Again, her defending him in real time is not very encouraging. But I agree. And I think that Janet, or sorry, Jasmine has kind of become

my barometer of situations. Like we look for that person in these shows. Like how are they reacting? Like what? Because she's, it's her and Zach. Yeah, because they're the most normal.

So when situations go down, it's like, well, how are they feeling about it? It's like, all right, that's probably what's going on. So yeah,

I think that there's definitely a place for on this show. I think that she is really, I think she's figured out her role. I think she's figuring out how to do reality TV as a whole. And her being the, the voice of reason,

on this show her and Zach kind of teaming up to do that i think is actually perfect and i'm liking where she's headed but yeah it was a nice scene it was but brittney is post-surgery i thought this scene was hilarious actually like them taking selfies with her and yeah her still all loopy for the anesthesia this is the only time ever in her time on vpr the valley whatever show she's been on the only time that when she laughed, I thought it was her trachea laugh was fucking funny. That was funny. It was very funny.

It was very funny. It was very funny. And like taking her up the stairs. But let's get to Janet and Jason. And Tom comes over with a mariachi band in tow. And Jasmine comes over. And again, we at home have had a perspective shift over the past year. Jasmine has as well. Because now she's looking at the situation.

I think that moment with Lala was kind of eye opening for Jasmine because she realized like at the end of the day, and she acknowledges like, yeah, Janet went a little too far, but the root of it was they were defending me. Like they had my back. And that part got somewhat overlooked. Granted that conversation on the beach with those two didn't help. But now that she's looking at the situation again, a little bit more removed from it, she's able to see like, yeah, you know what, guys? Like, thank you for getting my back. Thank you for supporting me through that.

Jason's sitting there going to do it. it wasn't even a thought like of course i've you're back i like this scene i like jason in the scene i like janet in this scene like i thought overall we're this is kind of part of the reason i'm like i think we're moving in the right direction with this show things are starting to feel more cohesive yeah i had uh probably the first time that i've actually ever felt bad for anybody on this show was when jason was going through playing with his son with an acel care that was sad that was aside aside from him last week acting like he was going to be like paralyzed or something for the rest of his life.

Aside from that, once I got over that one, I was like, I actually do feel emotions and I feel bad for Jason right now. And I do think that like, there is something to be said about Jason. And we didn't like him for a little while,

but we also didn't really like Janet. And I felt like he was just kind of echoing whatever she was saying and whatever. He probably just had his wife's back. We don't know, much like Danny and Dia where they talk on camera. He's a good husband. Yeah. So I do,

I do wonder what their conversations are like behind closed doors. If they were still saying the same bullshit, or if Jason was like, dude, you're putting us in a really bad fucking spot. Like, I can see that too. So I thought that that paired with Schwartz upping the ante a little bit. He always shows up with a plant. He's like, I've been here in a while.

I've got to bring you guys a plant. Not sure where he's pulling these plants from. He must be dating a floor. At least it wasn't a bug. Yeah, that was a weird time for Schwartz. Yeah. And lizards and bugs and whatever the hell else. Terrarium of bugs in his house.

Yeah, it's just disgusting stuff. But now he's got a mariachi band. I mean, what are we expecting next? There's just so much. Keep one upping it. I don't know, but I completely agree that that scene with Jason in the doctor's office, you know, it paints a picture, right? Like this is an involved husband. He's an involved father.

We love that. I will sing his praises all day for you and far between on this show. Widely on this network as a whole. So, yeah, again, it's been interesting to have this change of perspective over the past year. And you know us, like we will always, always shift our opinion if we see something that's like, Okay, this is different. And I thought that was a really nice scene. It was sad, sure, but it's like, this man is sad right now because he can't be involved

with his child. Fuck, yes. Golf clap for Jason. We love to see that. So, yeah, it is. I mean, and I think that watching these two, again, ingratiate themselves back in, having a different approach, right? I feel like Janet, we love to see on shows people learn and adjust.

And it does seem like Janet has adjusted and learned a little bit on. how to approach things. Yeah. That's good. We like that. So credit, we're credit. We do like that.

Now, let's get to a very emotional scene. And the nicest scene that we've ever seen with these two, even when they were married. We get Jesse and Michelle. Dev said the same thing. Let's not jump the gun, guys. Let's stay reasonable here.

They're both looking at the highlight reel now. They're forgetting all of the shit times they have with each other. Yeah. But they sit. down and they order coffee from arguably the most LA barista I've ever seen in my life. But they go to sit down and have a chit chat about the divorce. And as I suspected, I do believe that Jesse was treading water a little bit, not kind of pushing this thing to the end. I don't know if it's true that he said an email and she didn't get back to him for months, whatever, it doesn't matter.

She just wants to be done with this marriage. She wants to be able to move on. And she says, I want to quote unquote be happy again. And Jesse's like, well, you keep telling people who divorce you. Like there's no papers. Bam, here they are. Here they are papers, Jesse. I have agreed no strings attached.

I will take half of that loan. I will pay it off. I get nothing from this. I just am ready to move on. Jesse for the first time ever is just agreeable. Okay. I will sign the papers. I'll email you when I get home.

We can move on from this thing. And we have a really nice moment between the two where they're finally able to put all the contentious shit aside. Look at the overall situation as a whole and be like, this is kind of sad. Like we are saying goodbye. And we did have a lot of good times. Let's hug it out.

Yes. Honestly. Yeah. Funny response. Haven't seen them love each other as much as they left each other in this scene. I think they should get back together. Practical response. Good for them.

It seems like they get over the hump. They'll actually probably have a good co-parenting relationship. And it'll be better for Isabella in the long run. I think this alleviates a lot of the stress too. Like I would imagine that Michelle probably stops talking about Lacey as much. I would imagine that Lacey and Michelle actually even try to get some sort of relationship going, at least cordiality. But yeah, and that's really all we need.

And it gets a little bit hairy when we get into a show like this. Obviously, they're going to be around each other more and in more strenuous situations. But I think that this was the big turning point for all of that. I think that now that this is gone, it takes a lot off everybody's shoulders. I believe now, after watching the scene, that everything Michelle has been saying, whole season was probably true and correct and accurate and accurate and jesse was the big holdup so now that it's over again i don't know if he actually signed the papers and they actually got divorced at this point but i do think that this scene was necessary for everybody to move forward yeah and i think the other

part of it is we're going to see more shit like they are going to have their moments but i agree with everything you laid out i do think it's going to improve the relationship or whatever relationship lacy and michel can have i would imagine it's never going to be like buddy buddy but i do see it Like you said, like the most important thing is Isabella in this whole thing. And, you know, from what we've seen, they're both really good parents individually. So look, if they can get to a good place, it seems like they are, if they can keep this going, they're going to have their moments because they're going to have to film with each other. Shit's going to pop off inevitably.

But it's nice to see them get to this place. This to me kind of puts the cherry on top of what I like to call. This is like a cleanup episode. We got a lot of messy shit going on. We need to get back on track. Let's clean, let's do some housekeeping. Get this back to where it needs to be and then see where we can go from there. I have no faith in that one.

But from Shane the pain as we move into questions, I just read this question. It got me back to where I needed to be from Shane the pain. Not a question. Just wanted to thank you guys for recapping the shows I don't want to watch. Yeah. I mean, look, if the show takes a turn like Steele just said and it gets back to at least an average show, we'll tell you guys to tune back in because there's enough people here where you kind of want to check in. I personally don't believe we're there yet,

but Steele seems to think there might be a silver lining. I see a way forward. I'm not saying that this show is like good. It's a way forward. And like at the end of the day, we don't root ever, ever, ever, except for O.C. Ever, ever for shows to be bad.

Like, it's never our prerogative because we don't want to watch it. We have to watch them regardless. So we'd like them to be good, please. Correct. Pretty Ricky 22. What is this Zach slash Kristen defensive? Danny.

it feels so out of character. They don't want to admit that they were wrong about Janet. I think it's probably. Yeah, I think that's probably the biggest part. I also think that for whatever reason, Zach, I could see turning at some point because I do think that Zach's like,

all right, this is a little fucking weird. We saw that down at San Diego, but Kristen, for whatever reason, I don't know what it is. Maybe she doesn't want to lose Nia as a friend. She feels like Nia is really close to her and has been supportive.

And if she does turn and starts to question things that she'll lose Nia, that's probably it. Either way, I just don't really. care for it. I think that a couple things. I think it is Nia-centric. I think that the relationship that they've formed, especially after having kids close together and Nia somewhat being a mentor for Dode going through this whole thing. I think that she feels a deeper connection there. I also think that Doty has fallen for this picture of whatever the marriage is that they put out there,

where she's like, I, I respect that they don't air their shit out on TV or in front of other people. I respect this, this and this. I think that she has like an image in her mind of what their marriage is. That's not what their marriage is, but that's what she thinks it is. And I think that she has some kind of fondness for that. So I think it's those two things kind of working against her because it does seem so glaringly obvious to me. I would be shocked genuinely if Zach doesn't flip at some point. Yeah, me too.

Yeah. Wow. Kate, Looker Woods. My husband and I are Christian can confirm real men of faith don't talk to women that way. Well, Kay,

if you made it this far and you didn't turn it off. If you didn't turn it off when I read it. Then thank you for checking in. Yes. Thank you for clarifying like what Christian is supposed to be. Thank you so much. Bridget Wilcox 23 asked, do you think that Danny and Neal will come back next season?

If they think that they're going to come back or there's inklings that they're coming back, I will personally install a malware in all of their cars that turns off as soon as they leave their neighborhood. So they can still take their kids to school and stuff, but they can't go to the valley. Anytime they even think about going to the valley, they can't leave Santa Clarita. I will make sure personally. So don't worry about that, guys. Sarah Guy 2021 says, am I crazy or are the scenes with Janet and Jason kind of enjoyable?

They were. They were. Actually, yes. Yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah. Oh, I like that. That's so, that's so Seimo. I thought is that so, you know, that's so Seymoh.

Do you think Lacey has an arrangement with Jesse so she can be on the show? Is she paying him? And in return, he got her, he got her on. 60% sure about that one. Yeah. Yeah, I can absolutely see that. I like that a lot. Yeah.

interesting. From Dilla dei an era, the valley feels apocalyptic. There's no humor fun. Is anyone happy? No. And that's the thing. Like when we did our In the City recap the other day and last week when we did it, that's what the Valley should have been.

It's still supposed to be fun and goofy. But we're supposed to be able to see like what their lives are doing. And obviously they're going to be a lot different than like normal lives because that's just how these people are. This show just, it started off on a bad track down the wrong path, got really gross, got really dark, and it really hasn't come back. Correct. Correct. This episode's hopefully a shift in the right direction.

But yeah, the juxtaposition of this with in the city is actually super interesting. And we said, Danny Pellegrino said it, which is interesting. I'm about to read a question that has his name in it. But he said that in the city feels more aspirational. thought that was the best way to describe the difference between that and the valley, which leads me to Rachel Mickelis, could you do a collab with Danny Pellegrini? You mentioned him a few times. We would love to.

He doesn't do guests really on his show very often, and he doesn't do guest spots. Very often. He's a tough dude to get. We would love them. I mean, he's one of the best in the biz, so we would be honored. I just, I don't know if that is in our future, but any, I would drop anything to have him on. Yeah, absolutely. from Lash 16

Nia is so fake and phony I'm over it gave her the benefit for a while but can't stay on that's exactly that's the same boat that I'm in right now we all did yep I get it all right let's do one or two more here from Alvarez Marr never thought I would say this but Jason is being

funny with his knee injury question mark yeah honestly I thought that I thought obviously not directly funny kind of dark funny but last week when he heard his knee I thought was very funny. And I also think that he's being kind of funny and kind of moving through it. Like, maybe

we're actually seeing his personality. Maybe Janet's allowing him to show his personality on the show. Correct. Yeah, he's been, he's been entertaining. There's a lot of Nia ones where they're like, she's faking phony, or I'm over the Nia-stick, or I'm over the Nia backsliding. Go ahead. From Myra Hellwig,

what dish would you prepare for a meal train? So we're not doing the seafood boil. We're going to do something else. What would you do? for the meal train. So if I'm dropping it off, I feel like lasagna is always a good one. Oh, yeah,

it's easy to make. It's hardy. Yeah, big steady. Yeah. And that might be the northeast in us where it's like, well, obviously Italian casserole of some sort.

Pizza, pizza chips for sure. Or, you know, when we had Scotty, a lot of people gave us UberEats gift cards. That was awesome. So I highly recommend that.

If you have a friend that's either going through something or just had a baby, send them Uber Eats or DoorDash. Let them choose. Yeah. That's the best move. Like, we've loved getting those. So do that. The worst thing that you could do is giving them the ingredients to make something for themselves. Yeah, that's just fucking mean.

It's just, people do that. Yeah. People give you like dough to make your own pizza. It's like, I'm not fucking doing this. No, that's not the point. appoints to a leafy. I agree. Yeah.

I agree. Interesting. Yeah, don't do that. And if you do that, stop it. You knock it off. You knock it off right now. But yeah, look, at least a little bit easier at the very least, even if you're not back on board, at least easier to recap this episode.

Yeah. Yeah, I didn't get as angry. Correct. But we will see, see where it goes, see if it continues this trend, or if we go back into that pit of the abyss that we've been in for the entirety of the season. Time will tell. Time will tell. But that's all I got.

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