Bros & Shows - Lindsay and Carl: Communication Breakdown (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

What's Up Bros?! It is D.C. week as we gear up for our live show Friday but we still have to get our episodes out so that youse have all the content you need for the week! In this episode of Summer House, Carl and Lindsay still can't get on the same page. Even after a seemingly 'breakthrough' conversation as Lindsay describes it, Carl walks away from that convo with a much different outlook. Carl confides in Kyle the next morning and its not the best look immediately following a somewhat constructive conversation with Lindsay. West and Ciara are still uncertain on where they stand and Steel has a theory.. Danielle presses Gabby to get involved in the Joey Balloons game and the mounted pressure from the house on Gabby gets to be too much. She gets really upset as a result of Danielle and instead of apologizing, Danielle doubles down and then insults Amanda by walking away from her. As a result, Amanda questions if people take her seriously. Paige and Ciara have a tough but honest convo with her regarding her potential and it was a very uplifting scene. The episode ends with Carl confiding in Sharon and Lou, his mom and Step-Dad and Lou gives Carl some tough love in regards to his future nuptials.... Time Stamps: Intro- 0-4:40 Summer House- 4:41 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host. Steele Russell, joined us. As always, by the one and only, summertime of Goots.

What's up? It's fully summertime here. At least it feels like it. And we've got Summer House to talk about today. I couldn't think of a better duo. Hot weather. Summer House. It's almost as though they're synonymous.

It's almost as though they're synonymous. I don't know. But the hot weather did sneak up on me today. I didn't really think about it. I knew it was going to be nice out. So you know me. I'm at the office. I decided to go for a little walk.

I'm wearing fucking jeans. Okay. My whole thing with this is the fact that you told me you walked for two and a half of miles so at what point it's like you knew it was hot after you got outside so why did you continue to walk for two and a half miles i was in my own little world listening to a podcast on the phone you know how it goes uh hours no i'm not going to shout out another podcast on this yeah no free ads on yeah no we don't do that but it wasn't that bad i was in some shade but it's like this weird secret path near my office and i started walking down and i had no idea where it went

and I figured it out maybe two miles in. Then I realized where the hell I was, and I turned around and walked back. Cool story. Yeah. I did a lot of yard work. I got a tan. I took my shirt off, so I was out there. Nice, dude.

Any chance to take your shirt off? No, that is not true. I had built that entire garden without taking my shirt off once. It was 85 degrees out there. I was cutting my grass. I was like, fuck it. I'm going to get a little bronze while I'm doing this. I get that to an extent, but I feel like when you're cutting grass, don't you get, like,

what if some, like, grass specs pop up? Only if I, like, scratch myself, then it's game over. If I scratch once, if I get a little itchy and scratch, then, like, because I wear gloves out there, as soon as I... Scratch yourself with the glove, the gardening glove? You don't think about it because, like, something... Wait, do you use a glove when you're pushing around a mower? Well, I just have them on from doing other shit, so then they're just on. No, if I'm cutting my grass only, no, I don't know.

Driving glove, but for mowers? Yeah, I have my mower gloves. Uh, you have my mower gloves for my mower. Yeah, they're pretty dope. So I just wear these gloves. These are mower-only gloves. That's the ultimate suburban dad move. I feel like you get one of those riding mowers and you get some driving gloves, too.

I would definitely get a riding mower if I had the lawn to cut with a riding mower. I don't have one. So I just got a push guy. Oh, push guy. Electric push guy. Yeah. It works well. But anyway.

I'm glad. Wait, I had some. But that reminds me, let me get this plug in real quick because we are five days away from our life. Four days. As you're hearing this. This is coming out tomorrow. We have our live show in D.C. this Friday night. So if you haven't gotten your tickets yet,

head to the link in our bio on our Instagram page, get you some tickets, come hang out with the bros. We got Candace Dillard coming out. We got Chris Bassett coming out. We got Ryan Bailey from So Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey. How you feeling? Honestly, I feel the same way I felt last week. This thing snuck up on me.

Yeah, I did, right? It really snuck up on me. And it's really funny because once we're done this, we're going to focus our attention to Boston, June. but for right now I need to game plan for Friday I need to start figuring out

what I'm going to wear the things that really matter what's the vibe I don't know see May is such a weird time it's like yeah you can do the springtime stuff but it's kind of hot out

we'll have to look at the weather we'll have to figure it out should we dress like politicians since we're going to DC yeah no I don't I don't want people to start talking if they were in politics

what would they do and what would they do nope we stay far away from that I think I'm going I think I'm going simple this time. I don't think I'm going to do anything wacky. I'm just going to wear, like, maybe jeans in a t-shirt. Yeah.

Yeah, and I might not even cut there. I may wear a hat. Oh, I see that you trimmed down the sideburns a little bit. I took them down too much. Did you? I think so. You don't look good. Do you?

Yeah. I've been looking at my, like, face a lot. And I'm like, I look weird. Isn't that the worst when you trim down, like, a beard or you trim down, like, around your ears or something, and then you stare and you're like, something's off. I don't like it. I feel like Prince Valiant a little bit. Yeah.

I feel like I don't have enough sideburns now. You see what I'm saying? It'll grow in nicely. You think it looks fine? Yeah. Okay. That makes me feel significantly better. Because you would tell me the truth.

I would, yeah. Okay. What the fuck did you do? Yeah, you would say your hair looks ridiculous. I thought it did. So now I feel a little bit better. You're caught in the lawnmower? That's actually one of my favorite jokes and people get a haircut.

Would you sleep next to a fan? Especially because nobody ever gets it. But, yeah, we're here to talk about Summer House. And this has been a very complete. season i think we've gotten a lot of different dynamics going on i thought this is a really good episode it's been a very talked about episode yeah as far as like the lindsay and carl stuff go because of the conversation some people are on carl's team some people are on lindsay's team we're going to try to break it down from as much of a neutral standpoint as we can or at least i am we're going to have

opinions we will have opinions but i again throughout this episode and i try really hard to not get caught up in social media before we have a chance to talk about stuff. Yeah, no. Because there's so much stuff on either side. You know, my issue with social media is everybody knows what's going to happen before the episode even airs. Yeah. Because they put out these fucking 10-minute clips.

They do. The shows aren't that long. They're, what, 42 minutes long, maybe? One fourth of the... And honestly, the clips they put out are, like, all content. Whereas, so it's a 40-minute episode. You could say that 7 to 10 minutes are, like, filler, where it's a transition scene or a nonsense scene where it doesn't...

doesn't really matter right so arguably those 10 minute clips that's a third of the episode yeah and it's usually like the most critical aspect of the episodes and i know that there were clips of both major things that really happened here where you're cutting together some of the lindsay carl stuff carl talking to his parents and then you get the gabby and daniel of it all both of those things were on ticot by like tuesday yeah like what's the point i don't really understand that i know a lot of people just you know they want as much content as possible so that's fine but then why are you watched like you want to watch the episode you already know it's going to happen i like to wait i do too i don't usually watch the clips because i also think that if they

cut certain things out or if you don't have the full scope of what happened you can get a jaded response to what the scene actually is well that's really funny that you say that too and and this is you know i will talk about this a little bit later but specifically i'm thinking about the comment that sierra made when her Amanda and page are shopping i've seen that clip four times in the last week before this even aired yeah and i'm like oh that's very odd for sierra to say that then we go and watch it. And in the context, Amanda actually finds it kind of sweet and wants to break down and cry and say, thank you for being my friend.

I can't wait to talk. I thought that scene was amazing. Yeah. And I thought what Sierra said, mean, yes, well-intentioned, absolutely. And they... She even admitted that it was mean immediately after, but they showed that to us so many times. That was in the mid-season trailer. Yep.

It was in, like, scenes from next week for the last two weeks. It has been on TikTok. It's been on Twitter. I've seen it so many different times. And I've been wanting to get to that point. We finally get there. And it's like, okay, she immediately said it was. mean, yeah. Also, she said it in a

constructive way. She was using that to prove a point, and it was a very good point. Well, I think the major, the major not, well, actually, it's a good motif, if you will, for the episode. Sierra's actually Amanda's friend. So when she's saying that, it's constructive criticism, unlike somebody like Danielle saying it to Gabby, who's not

friendly with them, that goes completely different. That's so. That, oof. Yeah. Oof magoof. But let's jump in. Like cousin? Oof magoooo. Oof magoof. We don't talk about him too much.

He's had a checkered past. Yeah, Oof Magoof got exiled from the Magouter family. Yes. It's like, you know, we don't talk about Bruno. We don't talk about Oof. We don't talk about Oof. Yeah. We need to now have an alter ego of you that's Oof Magoo.

We might have like a... It's pretty much like any time that I'm my own worst enemy and I do something dumb, that's OofMagu. Next time, shoots gets like really hammered at like an Eagles game or something. Maybe I'll film him. And be like, here's oof-m-goof. There he is. I'll make sure it's not too embarrassing. No.

I don't want to embarrass my Magooter. I wouldn't give a shit. Yeah, I know. Drunk in an Eagles game, yeah, I'm fine. Well, let's dive in. And we start out with Lindsay and Carl, finishing up the conversation that we saw from last week. And even after watching this one, I'm in the same place I was last week.

I think Lindsay is just trying to voice their concerns to him about, you know, marriage stuff. And arguably, this conversation should have been had a long time ago as to what. she's looking for in a marriage you know she wants to potentially be a stay-at-home mom she also just wants to see some drive from carl where it's you know going out trying to find a job trying to find a career what's your future going to look like because your future immediately impacts my future once we get married right i didn't think that she was unfounded and saying any of these things

and i also really appreciated like she's not trying to poke the barrier she is trying to get her point across to him gently and even at the end of it goes like sorry for accidentally getting too deep into a conversation. Something like that. Something along those lines of like, I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable. I'm sorry if this came out the wrong way. I'm not doing a good job of articulating it,

which is funny because I thought that this was the best she's articulated her feelings without getting mean or without taking it too far. I think that she's well within her right to voice these concerns. I think that she did it in a constructive and friendly and constructive way. Constructive and friendly and constructive.

So I really had no issue with it. And I thought that she carried herself very well. And this will come into play when we start talking about Carl's response to it later. But, yeah, I'm where I was last week. I'm like, this is good. Like, yeah. I think that it had, like, all the pillars of a good conversation between two partners. Agreed.

Where she was cognizant of what Carl was going through and wanted to make sure that he didn't feel like she was coming from a place of anger or coming from a place of resentment. She felt bad, you know, even saying a couple different things and then ended it with the whole, I'm really sorry that I just accidentally fell into this deep conversation with you because that wasn't my intention and she really just laid it down on the table and that's fine and the problem here

and we'll talk about it later with Carl and Kyle talking is that Carl's view of all of that he didn't share how he actually felt he was hearing Lindsay out which is very important of course but then you can't turn around and go to your best friend and have a completely different feeling on the whole thing when we're sitting here watching this and look Lindsay's been, you're at an alien party.

Lindsay's been drinking all day. This is the most partner-ish conversation that we've ever seen from Lindsay when she's drunk. Yeah. And I was fully on board with what Lindsay was saying. Because look, Carl doesn't have drive right now. And I get it. He's going through a lot of shit. But you can't then start pointing the finger at her and saying, like, what are you doing?

Like, no, you're not, you're literally not doing anything. Yeah. You're talking about your brand deals and stuff, but that's what she's doing. She's just doing it a lot better than you. So you can't sit there and say, I don't know, understand where she's coming from and then have a complete different takeaway when all she was trying to do is just voice how she felt and what she gets turned on by because again having sex is a big issue in your relationship right now and that I think is what Lindsay wants to get to the bottom of

and that's what we've been getting to the bottom up for the last three weeks since that conversation that she had with the girls she wants to now she realizes identifies it as a big problem and you want to work on it so here these are the things that turn me on once you start doing that we'll start working on everything else and I thought in this moment that Carl took it in a good way he didn't. I could tell that he felt more attacked than I think she was intending to. In other scenes, it could just be like PTSD of the past. 100%. And I think that that's valid. But at the same time, she's actually making a concerted effort to not ramp up here. And for somebody that has a history of elevating and escalating the situation, I think she deserves even more props in this

moment for being drunk, staying calm, getting her point across without being abrupt about, like, it was all it was constructed and she was honest too because when he came back and said do you not feel like i'm crushing life right now she said no he's like no and i think that the tough part there and like the the dichotomy of it all if you will which is funny did you see that video i posted on our page which one that dude's like he's like when you when you find one word yeah and um he uses that one but like the dichotomy of damn it see i i wanted to talk about the real that i found about the memes now i forget Now, I forget what I wanted to say.

I don't even know. Oh, that's what it was. Where in his mind, and rightfully so, like he's been taking the past year to really focus on sobriety and making steps forward in his life to try to get in the right place where he can move forward. Great. However, you have a past history of treading water, not having this drive to get a job and all these things. So, yeah, you have been killing it on the sobriety front, which is amazing. Good for you.

Good job. part of moving forward in life though is finding your next thing what are you going to do now that you have a grasp on sobriety you need to have a focus of a job and where he's framing it as lack of support which yes we've definitely seen that right we've seen lack of support from lindsay however she even says like even if it's the lover boy thing great like just go fucking do it just get out of the house and start doing something right that's going to kickstart everything else you're going to realize what you're doing and what you want to do by doing something else that makes a lot of sense to me and yeah i mean it's it's just tough to watch this

because this is the first time that i feel like she's actually making a big effort and he's not taking it that way at all no he's not and i think that you could honestly point to i think he's already made up his mind as far as i think he's made up his mind where this relationship is going to go or he has his doubts and we actually really see it when he talks to kyle pretty much all the time yeah and i think you know we'll say let's keep let's get through the night first then we'll talk about that stuff the following day, but we get a scene with Danielle and Gabby and Danielle is overly concerned

about how much effort Gabby is putting into balloon guy Joe, which by the way, after watching his performance in this episode, you're going to fight this hard over the fucking balloon guy. Oh, now he's just a balloon guy. He's a douchepeg.

Wow. That guy stinks. That guy stinks on ice. I'm sorry. I held out knocked out balloon guy Joe. We don't know what else he's into. I, but credit to me, I held out. Yes, I can, because I waited until I was presented with more information. I didn't just vilify the guy

because he does balloons. Now... Is that why I vilified him? What? Hey. It just seemed like a Long Island scumbag. He is a scumbag. But my point is, I wasn't going to knock him for being a balloon guy, which you tried to do last week.

This week, I will. Because like, this guy, they're talking about him, like, he's fucking Leonardo DiCaprio in his prime. like Brad Pitt back in what was that movie fuck just Brad Pitt in any movie let's be real here like that's this balloon guy Joe like he's fucking mediocre at best and he looks like a scumbag so like what are we doing here but anyway Gabby even says to Danielle like I'm good like I don't need the rah rah speech let's let's make Gabby hook up with somebody I don't want to and that's

fine like I don't understand this heavy push from everybody we've already seen a very different gabby than we did last season last season she was very reserved she was i think working through uncomfortability in the house we've seen her now like get comfortable in the house she's cool with everybody in the house for the most part she's finally letting loose we get to see her get a little tipsy she's falling over the couch like she's finding her place here in a place that i don't think she was that comfortable in last year baby steps we don't have to keep pushing like hey who are you going to hook up with an add on top of that, her dad's also giving

her pressure. Yeah, I think that's the weirdest part is she came into the house after being with her family for a couple of days and her sister's in a new relationship and we know that her dad's pushing on it saying, you know, when are you going to get into a relationship? She shared that with the rest of the house. This is a pretty shitty response from the rest of the house.

It's a terrible response. I don't, obviously Danielle was at the spearhead of all of that because of the things that she said to Gabby and how she pushed her along while also trying to hook up with the same guy. Doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. But also, when you think about page and Amanda the way that they were talking about it they were also urging her along like that it's just weird behavior if she's not into it then don't make her go do do it

everybody in the house was to a certain extent i think the where it was lost in translation it's not malicious i think they think that it's like fun and ingest it's like oh come on gabby we're going to hook you up with a dude i don't think they see it starting to compound and she's starting to get frustrated with right and it gets to a point and like when she finally has like a meltdown, where she's like hyperventilating and breaking down in the shower, that is just a culmination of everybody in the house, her dad, and most importantly, Danielle, like, shoving it down her throat and also making a competition out of it over the balloon guy. Like, it's not that fucking deep.

Leave her alone. Leave her alone. But you get this conversation between Paige Gabby and Amanda, and she's talking about Danielle, and they're like, they've gotten to the point, like, Paige and Amanda, like, look, we've, we've seen this other side of her that we were told about by Lindsay. We didn't really see it last year because Lindsay was doing Lindsay stuff last year. Now that she is away from Carl and Lindsay and left her own devices,

we saw Danielle like behind the scenes, the majority of the season. And it was good. Like she was getting vindicated with the Lindsay and Carl stuff because they were showing why they shouldn't be the other. All you had to do was carry that through. But instead she kind of sets her sights on Gabby with this thing. And I don't know if it was a, like to me it almost felt like,

yeah, go for him, but I'm going to get the guy over you. Yeah, it's a very weird situation where if you're really friends, if one girl, and look, there's girl code out there, we probably can't speak on girl code. No, we can't. But I would imagine if one girl says, oh, I've got my eyes on that guy, everybody else should just back the fuck off. You would be like, you know what? Go out. See what happens.

Have some fun. If it doesn't work out, do you mind if I go over and do that? Instead, Danielle was doing the complete inverse of that and saying, well, I want you to go after him. because I want this healthy competition. That's really weird. That makes no sense to me. How was that fun for anyone? I don't know.

But as they're talking, Paige, Gabby, and Amanda, Paige points out, like, she has a lot of opinions on other people's relationships, like a lot. And then Danielle enters the room, and her and Paige start talking. And this is why Paige is great, because in her confessional, she's fed up. Yeah. We've seen it last week. She was fed up. She's fed up this week.

But in the moment, she's still trying to, like, stay middle of the road and be like, do you see why you upset Gabby and like why this is a problem and why you consistently think that your opinion matters more than other people is you're the moral compass of the group and you just say whatever you feel with no regard for anybody else's feelings but flip the table if somebody does that to you you lose your mind yes and she's like no I just stick up for myself it's like no we've seen what happens when people challenge you back you get really pissed really quickly and page is all she's not even trying to like paint you as the villain here she is just trying to get you to understand like she's being pretty mellow about it until daniel's like well no like i don't

see it that way she's like well gabby's in the bathroom crying because of you you can literally hear her crying it's not like she's in another room crying she's 10 feet away sobbing in the bathroom having a panic attack and you can't even see what the problem is gabby or sorry Danielle's response to that is that's dumb that's dumb it's like finally Paige loses it. She's like, it's not dumb. It's dumb that you think it's dumb because it's happening right now. Whether you think it's dumb or not, this is what's happening.

And she is, quote, unquote, your friend. So shouldn't you go and check on her and make sure everything's okay? And at the very least, like, smooth things over and keep her from hyperventilating? Because you're friends? No, she's not going to. She's going to go right back downstairs and go play beer pong and go flirt with the balloon guy Joe. Of course. I don't need to see them flirt.

But not before setting up one of the funnier things of saying that she's a founder and CEO. and as a founder and CEO, I know how to talk to people. I know how to motivate people. What the fuck are you talking about? Page points out. The CEO of what? Well, and regardless of that point, Paige points out, she's not your employee.

No. So you shouldn't treat her as a founder and CEO. She is your friend. Absolutely not. Like, what are we doing? But Gabby and Amanda are talking in the bathroom. And this is where you find out that it's not just Danielle. Danielle is the one that tipped everything over because she went about it ridiculously.

But it's the culmination, like I said, of everybody hounding her over this over and over again. Amanda included, the difference is Amanda realizes that and goes, oh my God, she's like, I'm so sorry. I didn't even see that, didn't notice it. We just were trying to be fun and helpful. I didn't realize we were making this situation worse. Like, I'm so sorry, gives her a hug. She's still crying. It's this whole thing. But you get Paige and Gabby and Amanda, and Gabby, she's starting to settle down a little bit like she's going to her room and Lindsay enters the room. And this was kind of a bummer because they just asked her real quick.

Like, how are you in car? Are you guys good? And she was, that was genuine excitement. She's like, oh, we had like a breakthrough conversation. And in that moment, I'm like, damn, that sucks because you really think that. And on the flip side, like, that's not how Carl's viewing this. Yeah, at all. And, like, you could tell.

Like, she was, that was optimism for the future where the next morning when we get the Kyle and Carlson, it's like, oh, no, it wasn't reciprocated at all. And that's why I immediately thought that the, the catalysts, list for all of this is the original conversation that Lindsay had had with Page and Amanda about about sex because now they're invested in it. We're sitting down and we're talking about it. This is the fourth time that we've talked about it. She's being friendly to them. Her and Carl haven't fought and brought down the entire house. So they're actually genuinely curious. How did that conversation go? Are you guys on good terms? Did it blow up? Did he say something dumb? Did you say something dumb?

No, she's genuinely excited and wants to work on it because she feels like this is a good breakthrough. It's a stepping stone. It's not. It's not at all. But The scene ends because Amanda tries to talk to Danielle at the very end to, like, give her two cents. Danielle won't give her the time of day, just walks out of the room. And Amanda asks Paige, like, does anybody take me seriously? Yeah. And this sets up a conversation for later, like, similar to, and this sets up the conversation later between her and Paige and Sierra. But yeah, she doesn't give her the time of day.

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I'm going to try. You want to point this out because you want to kiss your homies? Hey, if you want to give your homie a kiss, like, a little good night kiss, yeah, a little good night, smooch, whatever. Like your poison, why not? Yeah, you give him a little tap on the pee-pee, just the pee-pee check. Yep. He was just making sure he's ready to go.

That's a good friend. That's all it was. Good friend? Yeah, it's friends being friends. That's all it is. But more so, I want to try my best to see, because I think the thing between West and Sierra, I talked to Dev about it for a while, I think that they're like two ships passing in the night. I think that they are not picking up on the signals from the other one.

And I think that the reason is Sierra's afraid to get hurt again and be made to look like a fool again because of the Austin stuff. Totally understand it. Totally reasonable. I think that West is so afraid to push this relationship at all because he's afraid. If he says too much, he's going to scare her away and it's not going to pan out. So I think what's happening, and this is a good note for the ladies out there, dudes are dumb. We miss signs. We don't see the signs.

If you think you're being very apparent with the signs, we probably missed most of the signs. I don't really get the vibe. I mean, if we're talking about like furthering their relationship, whether it's by sex or by labels or whatever you want, to call it. Every confessional that we get of Sierra, she has been steadfast in the sense of we're just seeing how it goes. I'm having a lot of fun. Yeah, verbally. But you think that there's more signs out there? I think then Dev pointed out, she's like, I wouldn't grab a dude's face and kiss him like that if I wasn't really into him. I'm like, that's a good point. As a dude, that wouldn't click for me. This is my point. I think that there's signs being given. We're dumb

and we don't see signs. And West is afraid to push the relationship further because he doesn't doesn't want to lose her. I do agree with that. And I think that what we get, and it seems like a bit of a throwaway line when West is talking to his dad about his draft king's interview, and he says that he's going to be a manager

for people who are doing social media. And his dad says, yeah, you don't really have that in you to manage people to like be the guy who walks in and his cutthroat and does this and that and whatever. That is West. He's going to just let things go and push

and then he's going to wonder in the back of his mind. What he's doing, is it too much, thinking way too much about all of this. And it's getting to the point now with this where it's starting to, yeah, they're still having fun, but it's got a lot weighing on it now. Yeah. Where now everybody in the house is talking about how they haven't had sex.

Everybody in the house is talking about what they're doing during the week. Are you guys going on dates? Are you doing that? The more and more that people are going to ask questions, the more pressure that gets added to it. And both of those people are not going to want to push it further because they're going to pull away from each other. So look, we still have no sort of confirmation as to where they lie. You don't see anything social media-wise?

Not true. What do you say? So two weeks ago, I guess, West Dad. It was sleuthing? I didn't sleuth. I can't take credit. Dev found it. But I guess two weeks ago, West's dad, the rancher, posted pictures on his page and like a carousel or whatever.

Right. And. Oh, I did see that. Yeah. In one of those photos was Sierra. Now, Sierra does not strike me as the kind of person that's going to Montana to visit somebody's family if she's not genuinely invested in the relationship. That's not a ho-hum. We have friendship right now, though.

Stop it. She's not going to Montana as a friend. The best ships are friendships. Don't even finish this one. Shut up. Just shut your mouth. No, I mean, we clearly have no idea what the hell's going on. I mean, these pictures are going to pop up.

That's not any sort of evidence that they're dating. That's not any sort of evidence that they're together now and just hiding from the media or whatever they're doing. I think that's pretty substantial evidence that two weeks ago she is with his family in Montana. Yeah, but you don't understand that we go through. this every episode you don't get the nuances of the modern relationship bro that's so fucking dumb no that's not a modern she flew from new york city to montana yeah this is not like she drove down to the jersey shore to hang out with the fam for a weekend she flew to montana okay

i'm right you wouldn't fly to montana for me we're just friends we're not gonna hook up never say never Justin Beaver Beaver Beaver How is every time This is now like Three straight weeks

That we fucked something up It went from like Never Say Forever Justin Bieber Now it's never say never Justin Beaver Never Say Never Say No Justin Beaver says

Never Say forever There you go Yeah Justin Beaver says never say never Talking about dams Yeah Yeah Fuck

You idiot Where were we Let's keep going We get Kyle and Amanda and Amanda says to Kyle, I don't think that Danielle takes me seriously. And again, this is setting the stage for

almost a breakthrough moment for Amanda, I think. And we'll get to that scene when we get to Old Navy. But it's important to point out, like this hit her, it was not just a throwaway comment. Or I guess it wasn't a comment.

It's just Daniel like marching off. Right. But she took it personally. And more so than I think other people would have. And I think that that's a reflection of maybe some, things that she's battling with internally. I don't know, but it does seem to come to the spotlight later when they talk about it with Paige. Do you think that it's genuinely that Danielle has no

respect for Amanda versus having respect for Paige? Or do you think that she had just had that conversation with Paige? And now here comes Amanda, Paige's friend, who's basically going to say the exact same thing to me, do I really want to have this conversation twice? Because I've been kind of going back and forth on it. Here's the, let me frame it to you this way. Because I think that that's part of it, but not all of it. I do think there's a respect factor. put it this way if amanda had had that conversation first and then page tried to follow it up i do believe daniel would have stuck around that room longer to hear page out than she did for amanda okay i think that's fair so that's where i see yes i do think i don't know if it's like

full-blown like she doesn't take me seriously it's just the the whole i do believe there's a duo of page and amanda like are you really going to get much different like a different outlook or any sort of a different conversation from the two of them probably not i think so i think Amanda tends to be a little bit softer with it. I think Paige. Yeah, probably. Although, like, again, Paige isn't more out of the conversation when Paige is doing it, though, just because she's directed.

She has a goal in mind. She's trying to get you to, like, understand. And that's why I appreciate when she breaks down scenes. We need more of that. But we get back to West and Sierra. Again, these are the things I'm trying to point out. When he says to her, oh, everyone's going to meet my alien girlfriend, he's fishing. That's him fishing.

He wants to see what her response is because he intentionally said girlfriend. That wasn't a Freudian. slip he says girlfriend her response is why are you calling me your girlfriend so in his head he's going fuck i was hoping she'd be like oh there's something along those lines instead she like why are you calling me that and now he's back to square one like this is what i'm saying there's they're fishing they're both trying to put shit out there and it's not i agree i do think that west was fishing with that comment but it's also like they've been dating for a couple of weeks i they're they're not boyfriend or girlfriend they've been dating they're just dating you're oh this fucking

You don't get it. This dating thing has been going on for like six weeks, you idiot. It has not been two. Six weeks of episodes? No. Oh, bro. They've been in this house at this point for like over five weekends. It is not two weeks.

It is over potentially two months. They probably didn't go on their first date until like three weeks in. I think you just need to pump your brakes a little bit here. Look, Sierra. I'm just saying I think that there's hints being put out on either side. I think because of their reservation. both of them have different ones. I think they're missing each other.

That's all I think it is. We do agree that, let's at least agree on this. If Sierra came back to West and said, I'm all in, let's do whatever, like, we're dating. Let's go. He's in immediately. Yes. If West does that, I don't think Sierra does. I don't know, but I think it furthers the conversation.

I do believe. I think it can scare her and run her off. I don't. I don't. I think that it would force the conversation, which might lead to, I don't know if I'm ready for this. Yeah. But he would at least know where they stand and see that this. is more serious than he thinks it is.

Maybe he's happy leaving things the way they are versus... Clearly not. Versus the possibility of it ending because he forced that conversation. This is my point, though. What's your point? That they both have more intentions for this relationship, but both of them are scared to fuck with the other person in the relationship. We just let the kids battle it out, huh?

Let's see what happens. Because it's our job to analyze these things. That's why. Yeah, but I, you know, you relationship nuances, I just, you know, I don't think you get it if you sit here and continue to gaslight me i'm not even gaslighting you i'm being gaslighting we know for a fact us me and the listeners we know that you don't get it look chevron just because i don't believe that chevron yeah guess that's pretty good all right thanks just because i am like on a different planet when it comes to the label thing and what dating does or does not mean

does not mean i don't understand the nuances of dating i get it and i'm also comment on the nuances here. You get it, but you hate it. Because it's illogical. Because it's illogical. Because it's running in circles for the sake of being able to say, we're not boyfriend and girlfriend. Are you exclusive?

Yes. So your boyfriend and girlfriend? No. Why? Because we don't want to label boyfriend and girlfriend. It serves like a social media post. Then all of a sudden you're calling that. That's the other thing.

You can post people on your story and say, it's not boyfriend and girlfriend. That's a hard launch in my mind. But no, it's a story. It's not a post. Like, do you see how ridiculous? Like, listen to this. We are adults, and this is still happening. It's crazy.

Just say what you are, say what you're not. Wouldn't that save so many headaches and relationships? No, probably not. It would because you know where you stand instead of playing this fucking run around. Because I never liked the game. The game was so dumb to me. It's like, oh, we can't say how we feel because you don't want to push the other person away. Why?

Just fucking say it. What's the worst that could happen? If it's not going to work out, then you know. Am I wrong? I think my method is way more. effective. Yeah, in 1965. Whatever.

We get to the next day, and Gabby and Danielle, like, I guess squash their beef. I feel like Gabby is taking the higher road here where she's almost like it's not worth getting back into all of this shit. And they are friends at the end of the day, but I don't know. I feel like there's more there that she wanted to say. And then you go to watch what happens live. I do think she spoke on this topic much more. she also said that when she saw Joey Lunes come back to the party in street clothes,

she got the ick. Yeah. Totally. He's a fucking balloon guy. And he's a douchebag. Yeah. That guy, when he was flirting, I guess that was flirting with Daniel. You know what the problem is in that situation?

If she were to turn to Amanda and page or turn to Danielle and say, I'm just like not into that guy at all. They're going to think she's lying. They're going to think she's lying. And they're going to push it even further. So she really, it's a no-win scenario for her. Can we put out a poll, by the way? like, is Joey Loon's hot? Dev just yelled from the kitchen, no.

I need more confirmation because this guy looks like... Now, all of a sudden, your wife's confirmation isn't enough for you? Absolutely. She has great taste. Look at me. Ew, I didn't like that.

I've got the ick. You got the ick? Yeah, from that lap. You give me the ick all the time. Your mustache is a permanent ick. Whoa. I'm sorry. I like your mustache.

I like your mustache. Sorry. I didn't mean that. Too far. Do you want me to touch it? Yeah, actually. If I didn't have to get it, get up, I would.

Anyway, morning after, Danielle and Gabby squashed their shit. And the biggest thing she says again, and I think this is reiterated in her actions, I can hook up if I want to. I have standards. I'm not out here just trying to bang somebody. And that's completely reasonable. You don't have to be. That's not her vibe.

That's fine. And I think that now that she's gotten that across to the house, hopefully they'll just leave her the fuck alone. and she can go about her business her own way. It's not everybody else's business. But this is where we get to the Kyle and Carl conversation. And big props to Kyle, honestly, he shouldn't get big props for this. This is like a standard thing that you should do for your wife that doesn't want to go to Montauk.

Yeah. But big props for him for actually not going to Montauk. Right. Like if I do drag Amanda out to Montauks, she's going to be wrecked until Wednesday, like, God, I really want to go, but I don't want to push Amanda to do it. I was like, that's growth. Again, it shouldn't be this different. difficult of a decision. You should just say, all right, let's just go back to the city.

Like, you don't need to go to Montauk. It's okay. But for Kyle, that's a big step. It's better than him going to Montauk without her and then getting home for Montauk at 4 a.m. But it gets into the Lindsay conversation. And Kyle asks him about, you know, the lover boy thing and work in general. And Carl walks Kyle through the conversation you have with Lindsay from his perspective. And again, he feels slighted by it. He's like, you know, I do feel like I've been out here. I do feel like I've been out here killing it. She doesn't see that pretty much alluding to that she's not supportive again. Yeah.

And that's not what happened in that conversation. And then he takes it a step further. And that's when I realized like, oh, this is more of an ego hit to him than it is anything else because now he's pulling out numbers. When he start pulling out numbers, never a good look when you pull out numbers. No, it's not. And that's where it takes a turn because he's like, you know, she wants me to have a career, but what's her career?

I'm going to stop you right there. If you're pulling 150K from brand deals, you can label. that at a career. She's making good money doing it. 150 grand by August. Right. You know what I mean? Like that's substantial. That's a lot of money. And then he throws out. I've made 70 grand. It's like, don't do this. Don't go tit for tat on the brand deal thing. She's doing very

well. She's doing better than you. And it's also not the problem because what she's doing for her career, she's getting out of the house and she's going to places. You're not. Right. You're not doing anything. You're doing the brand deal that I imagine is here's a box that showed up and I don't have as many followers as her, but here's a box that showed

up and I'm just going to show it on my stream. That's not getting you out of the house That's not furthering your career And I don't understand where he got from any of this This must be just a different conversation That they had that we didn't see But when he goes right from that to I didn't understand that Lindsay wanted to be a stay-at-home mom

Did you get any of that from the conversation that she had? Yeah, because she says, I want you to like support me And like, you know, we're going to have kids. She alludes to it She doesn't flat out say it But she eludes and she alluded to it But you know what I don't see When they were talking on the stairs

When they were like hating each other weeks ago, I do believe, yeah, I did. It's more just that, like, I'm not going to be able to do as much as I'm doing right now when we have kids. So I need you to pull your weight and get to a point where I don't have to worry about that. In my— I didn't get it that she was just going to quit and just stop working. In my mind, I get that she's going to be a stay-at-home mom.

She'll probably continue to do brand deals from the house. But she would—her career aspirations, at the end of the day, she wants to be—she wants to have a family. She wants to be a mom. She wants to stay at home. If that, you know— It's more of a read- between the lines instead of just a jump-by-carl, yeah. Yeah.

So I do think that that's what she was alluding to, but I also think that at the end of the day, this is a conversation, and even he says it. Like, you should have talked about this a long time ago. You should know where you stand on kids before you get married. And you're getting married in like a month, and you have no idea. And that's the other thing.

To your point, you could speculate that maybe she doesn't want to be a stay-at-home mom. I do believe that's what she was alluding to, but you clearly saw it a little bit differently. Also, shouldn't be having this conversation with Kyle. You have to have this conversation with Lindsay. She gave you a good opportunity. And look, I get it in the sense of she's been drinking. You know, let's not push the envelope. I don't want to do too much right now because it could pop off at any time. That does make sense to me, even though both

of us are in the side of Lindsay was being very supportive in that conversation and actually sharing her emotions. But do not go to Kyle the very next day. And this brings us all the way back to Carl's already really made his decision. He's already leaning that way. He's already doing a lot. You're on camera. Everybody sees what you're doing. What happens if you go through this wedding? And then you go back and watch this, and all of a sudden you're having those side conversations with your friends about Lindsay.

Like, it's not a good look. For all Lindsay does, at least the majority of her mean shit is directly at Carl. See, that's where I'm gonna... You think she's talking behind his back? We've seen her talk. The sex talk...

But she didn't seem upset about that. She seemed like... I don't think she seems upset, but I think that she's not bringing that up out of nowhere. That's not just a ho-hum conversation. I'm not trying to say, because I do, I'm on the same page as you hear. I think that this was not the right move was to go to Kyle. I do think that the conversation with your parents at the end, I mean, people can say, we'll get there.

And I'll tell you my opinions on that. This conversation with Kyle, like, this didn't need to happen. And I do think that this was more of a move than it was a constructive conversation. However, I think that where people are saying, like, oh, like, he can't have this conversation with Lindsay. she's talking to everybody about their sex life and it's getting more and more in the beginning when she talked to Amanda and Paige the first time she brought it up it was much more of a we're not having sex he doesn't want to have sex I don't know how to make him want to have sex like we talk like once every month or something the next

time it's like oh well our sex life is a two and a half and neither of us came like that's way deep yeah that one was way deeper and I have to assume that Carl knows by this point that she's talking about that, right? I don't know. But that's the whole point, right? My whole point is that she's doing it too. She is doing it too. Yeah, I forgot about that, the 2.5 comment. And again, that kind of goes hand in hand with what we were just talking about with Gabby, where everybody's talking about it, it adds so much more pressure. Or with Sierra and West, wow, there's so many added pressures all over the place. The more that people are talking about it, the less that he's going to be able to do it, because the pressure just keeps building and building. But I do feel

like every time that we get a conversation with, when we see Lindsay by herself and she's talking with people, she's not leaning towards the, I don't know if this is somebody I can marry, but almost every individual conversation that we've got with Carl, whether it's with Kyle, his parents, West, the boys, whatever, he's always seemingly leaning towards, I don't know if this is right for me. And he always leads the people that he's talking to down a path of, yeah, you know, Lindsay's not right for me. Yeah, I mean, it's fair, whereas Lindsay's more framing it like, I want to work. I want to work on it and try to figure it out. I think, look, I think at that point we're playing semantics.

I think that when you look at it side by side, the point is you guys don't work because you are constantly talking about each other to other people. Rather, the only time you're having these difficult conversations is apparently when Lindsay's drunk. Look, and I'm sure that there's like therapy going on because they were in couples therapy for an extended period of time. So I'm sure these conversations are being had in couples therapy. As we saw when Carl did try to have a conversation with Lindsay.

When they were sober, she said, save it for couples therapy. So that's my point. It's hard for me to just flat out say Carl's the problem this episode. I don't think he's the problem, but I... The conversation with Kyle didn't need to happen. No, it definitely didn't need to happen. I just, this is just more and more proof. It's almost like every week there's more and more proof that he's already made his decision.

And I think what he's doing is he's just rationalizing it and justifying it to other people without specifically saying it, which you could argue that that's what Lindsay's doing too. You're saying that when she's bringing up the sex talk and I think that it's a little innocuous and she's a little oblivious about everything, you're saying it's more of a move like, oh, look at this, like what's going on? I'm saying that Carl's doing that exact same thing. Every person that he talks

to, he's leading them to say, oh yeah, Lindsay's not right for you. You need to do this. So then that way, he gets the justification of, I talk to everybody in my life and they all said that Lindsay's not right for me. But every conversation is framed with, look at all this crazy shit that Lindsay's done to me. Yeah, and you could

argue that he's doing that to just feel supported or to work through his shit, you could argue that Lindsay's doing the same thing to try to find, like, and that's what, again, trying to stay as middle of the road as I can, just for this specific episode, I do think that at the end of the day, what you're seeing is these two did not need to be together. No, they never did. Like, that's the bottom line.

The fact that you don't know what each other want and you've been friends for so long, you dated twice, now you're engaged. And the entire summer last year was an absolute shit show. when you were trying to figure it out. The beginning of this summer was a shit show between the two of you. Nobody else really got involved in it because they don't want to. You really haven't seen any growth by either of them in this relationship. So what the fuck?

Like, what do you think the marriage is going to solve? And that's what Lou says later and we'll get there. Shout out Lou. Shout out Lou. But we get back to the city and the girls are going shopping at Old Navy. That was clearly sponsored by Old Navy, right? I don't know. That's definitely the first time that we've seen Old Navy on any Broadway.

I love Old Navy. Sure. It's going to flat out say that. They've got good stuff. The only, my only old Navy issue is, like, they have great t-shirts and they have great shorts and stuff like that. But after like three times, four times through the wash, especially the t-shirts, like significant shrinkage. Significant. There's a reason why those t-shirts are like $8.

I know. I understand what I'm purchasing. I get what I'm getting. I don't even think that they need that sort of slander. What are you doing with them? I'm not slandering them. I'm saying that's my own. I'm a avid old Navy shopper.

I'm saying that's my only drawback to Old Navy is when I buy the shirts, I buy them knowing this is going to be Devin's sleeping shirt at some point because it's no longer going to fit me. And it takes a lot. You know what you need to do. What? You need to get outside and you need to build yourself a little drying line. And then you can dry your old Navy shirts out there.

I've done the hang dry with they still, like when they're in the wash, they just shrink. How about that? They're $8. That's why. $8 shirts, huh? They're great for a little while. Yep. Their pants are awesome.

I wear their pants for a long time. I actually, my cooking... I wear their pants for a long time. My cooking uniform, if you will, when I go to my private dinners, I wear joggers, my khaki joggers that I got from Old Navy. How about that? I've worn them for two years straight. Not sponsored by Old Navy. Not at all.

I just want to make sure I pump up Old Navy because you think I'm slandering them. But they start talking about West, and Paige is like, I think Sierra's in love because you went all the way to Montauk. and instead of going back to the city and you actually ended up having to drive further once again signs missed West isn't seeing that West doesn't understand that he's not putting the two together

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and much more. Listen to Happy Sad Confused on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. But this is where we get into Amanda and, you know, they preface it with the Danielle conversation of, you know, I don't think that she respects me, this and that. Sierra just flat out says to her, do you think that you have an identity outside of Kyle and Loverboy? And it's silence. It's just silence for a second. And Sierra just goes, because I don't. And they start, both of them, Sierra and Page start to like pump her up a little bit. where it's like, look, you're amazing.

Like, you designed everything for Lover Boy. The entire visuals of Lover Boy are all you. You are, I had no idea that she put money into Lover Boy earlier. Right. And she doesn't get enough credit. And not just from Kyle, but just in general. And they take it deeper where Pages is saying, look, I think that you could do anything you wanted in a creative space. I think that you hold yourself back, honestly.

And I think that this is a tough conversation, but this shows you that these are your real friends. The fact that Sierra would say that to you, which, yeah, I'm sure it stung a little bit to say you have no identity, but the only reason I'm telling you that is because you're so incredible, you should be doing more. You would be amazing at being a creative director for a company. It comes out that Amanda wants to design swimsuits

or be a fashion designer in some regard. Go do that. And these two are just trying to show her, this is how we see you. You're incredible. The way you see yourself is limited. And I think that this is as real of a friendship as you're going to get. It definitely is.

And I think at the end of the day, Amanda needs to sit down with Danielle and thank her. You started all of this. Now I get to go find my identity and I need to figure out what I can do after all of this. Thanks for being an asshole. No, don't give her credit. That's not fair. But it's a cool scene, honestly. It's a really cool scene.

Yeah, I mean, how often do we actually get something like that where we can tell, all right, these people are real friends? Genuine. We see so many different things. Usually the shows like VPR show like Southern Charm where they are friends to an extent You can see them hanging out together or whatever But when it comes down to like the nitty-gritty And when it comes down to like a serious conversation

We don't really see a lot of these We don't see a lot of true friends on these shows And this was one of those moments And we already talked about how it was guised As Sierra was talking shit on Amanda to her face And it wasn't like that at all No She just wanted to hit her with a little hard truth

And then immediately pumped her up And Amanda loved it Amanda needed to hear it so that she could hopefully see herself to the lens of what Page and Sierra see. And what Paige says to her is, I think, really important. She's like, I don't want you to look back in 10, 20 years, whatever, with two, three kids. And you're like, man, I wish I had done this. When you are more than capable of doing it, it's not even like, oh, why don't you take a shot and go for it? You have a resume now.

You have a portfolio. Look what you did with Lover Boy. I think that, if anything, she's probably a little concerned about what Kyle would do. Like, is Kyle going to be supportive of that? or is you going to be like, no, we really need you a lover boy. And I think that that is a great test of, are you guys actually on the same page? Will he Kyle? Did you like the placement of the very next scene where we get to see Amanda in the lover boy office actually like dictating some things?

That was before that scene. Was it? Yeah. I thought it was right after that. That was right when they left. Oh, so they led into it. Even better. They led into it.

And I think that, honestly, that is the best way to see. We've watched Amanda be supportive of Kyle. Right. Year in, year out, put up with all of his bullshit, still stick by. am will he reciprocate and the best way to test that is hey i'm going to go do my own thing and his only response should be like fuck yeah you got this what can i do to help you honestly best case scenario amanda gets a job doing a creative direction role whatever she's up to hangs out she goes to some after parties she gets home at two and kyle has to stay home and watch the dogs yes that's what

we want full circle yeah i would love to do this whole thing again next year but with reverse that would be fun i'm down i'm all i'm into that but The last scene, and this is what's been talked about so, so much on social media that was hard to not read some of the stuff going on. But we get the conversation between Carl, Sharon, and Lou. Sharon's his mom. Lou is his stepdad. And love the story.

Sharon and Lou met online. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. They got married back in 2020. We find out that Carl's brother passed shortly, I think, a week after that, right? So as a family, especially. I think that this probably shifted the dynamic drastically as far as coming together and figuring out how to move forward as a familial unit. Because he said I had to get used to this modern family setup that we have.

But I would imagine that going through something with your stepdad, with your mom, this would bring them all closer together. So I think that reflects in the scene that we watch because the relationship that Lou and Carl clearly have for Lou to be able to say this shit to Carl. Yeah, like less than four years in, too. like they just got married in 2020 so you could tell that Carl was sitting there in full respect Lou was talking to him as his dad loved to see that not the real father the father that stepped up hey I love that line always love that line and he's sitting there just really like breaking it down and I know that you know I just kind of went on a whole spiel

about how Carl leads people down but it sounds like his parents are involved in everything and at the end of the day that is truly what happens I mean you're in a shitty relationship you have a shitty friendship whatever you're doing the people that you can trust the most you talk to them the most and he says that he's talks to his mom all the time. He wishes that maybe he didn't say, all right, yeah, we just went through a big fight. But he got to the point, and this is something that we didn't know,

he got to the point right around Memorial Day weekend, where he went back home. He went back home. A few days, he said. For a few days. He needed to cool off and go all the way back to Pittsburgh, which, yeah, it's not that far, but he had to go home to the comfort of his own home and his own mom and his stepdad to try to get away from Lindsay because there's

so much going on, and they had a huge fight beforehand. And this is very clear and cut as to what's going on in this relationship and how it just doesn't work. Yeah, and I think, again, I think this conversation looks a whole lot different as far as how it was received by the audience

because it's fairly split. Honestly, a lot of people are saying, I see where Carl's coming from. A lot of people are saying, see, he's putting pieces in place to break up with Lindsay. I agree with that for the friends, but this is parents. I agree, and that's...

And look, I get it, you know, it's on camera, whatever, but this is still important. And look, it's reality TV, so we're going to see it. He's sitting down with his parents. This isn't, like, you're not manipulating your parents into saying, oh, yeah, you need to break up with her. And that's why I'm curious, would this have been received differently if he had not had that conversation with Kyle in the same episode? Possibly.

Because now it seems like he's got two pieces he's putting into place. And I agree with you. I think that this conversation, if you separate it from that earlier, I think that this is a real conversation that, you know, when I've seen people say like, oh, well, why would he do this on camera with his parents? It's like, well, it's reality TV. He's on a fucking TV show. We're going to have to see this stuff. And this is also the most pressing issue we have. Again, it sucks that it's on the heels of an arguably constructive conversation, Lindsay,

but I think that's what I need to remind or everyone could use a reminder where it's like, yeah, it is, but we've watched the relationship over the past two summers. It's not like one good conversation. It's going to fix all of that. It's going to fix all that. No chance of hell. And I would also say, because he even dropped a little line in here talking about how he wasn't comfortable going to his friends and talking about all of that because he is afraid,

which this just goes to show you, He's afraid that it's going to get back to Lindsay that he was talking about the relationship. He wasn't afraid of, you know, the normal trope where it's like, what if I get into a fight with my girlfriend and I go and talk to my friends? And then my friends come back and all of a sudden they have disdain for my girlfriend when I've actually forgiven her and I've moved on. Like you don't want to do that. And I get that part of it. But if you're talking to your parents and you go home during a big fight, you're going to tell them everything. So they already know what's going on.

That's not what's going on here. No. And Lou brings up the sobriety part. He's like, well, Lindsay was sober for six months. And he's like, yeah. And he's like, well, wasn't that helpful? And he's like, well, yeah, obviously. But at the same time, it's not my job, nor do I want to make it my role to police her

and tell her how to live her life. Yeah. Is it easier if she's sober? Yeah, duh. But at the same time, it's not his place. That's her decision to make. He says he wishes that she would have a healthy relationship with alcohol. But again, I appreciated the fact that he's like, I don't want to dictate that because

it's not his place to dictate that. That's true. And he's like, you know, I don't want to give up on it. We're just not communicating well. And that's where Lou asks, I'm like, well, do you live in fear of this stuff? Like, are you constantly worried about it? And Carl's like, yeah. And I think we've seen that.

I think we've seen shying away from conversations. And you can point to both sides of the street there. And Carl says to his dad and to his mom, he's like, look, I take accountability for the things that I've done wrong. I'm not guilt-free in this. I'm trying to take accountability for my shit. I need her to take accountability for her shit. And say what you want. pick whichever side you want to pick. I'm literally could not say more that I'm trying

not to pick a side in this episode. I'm trying to stay middle of the road. This is just how I watch this episode. Lindsay has not done that. Right. Like with the whole accusing him of using again, we still haven't really gotten an apology for that. So as far as him saying, I've taken accountability for things I've done wrong, you could argue we also haven't seen that. In what regard have you done that? Like when? And what specifically did you do wrong? Because I think it would go a long way and trying to convince the audience as where you stand if we got a hint like oh this one time i did this that was my bad right so i think you could again point to both sides of the street here what i'm getting from the parents is they don't want to say something they can't take back if they

end up getting married yeah which i i respect and i understand because they always followed up with like oh but we love lindsay we love yeah they were doing that the whole time and i even got to the point where lou even said yeah if i was i've been a minister my whole career if i was going to this I don't know if I would marry you. Right now. And his mom immediately goes, you mean right now, right now? Oh, yeah, yeah, right now. You're totally right, right now.

But no, you can tell that that's exactly what they're doing. And all they really care about is their son. All they care about is what Carl's going to do and if he's happy. And they can tell he's not happy. And this is a hard conversation to have, especially on camera. You want to add that into the mix. He's just dumping on his parents. He's just trying to show all the things that he's been going through.

They already know so much that's going on. So this is, I think, the most real conversation. that we're going to get. This isn't one of those, like we already said, moving chess pieces around to try to dump. I really didn't think it was.

This is genuinely just Carl opening up to his parents about his relationship because he's scared about getting married. And look, at the end of the day, for all the people that are out there, and I know you said it's split, all the people out there saying,

oh, Carl's being manipulative and putting chess pieces out there. I don't think so. He knows, and we all fucking know, so get your heads out of your asses. We all know that the relationship never worked. Right.

It was never going to work. So who cares if he's putting chest pieces out there? He wants to break. break up and it's probably the right move because look lindsay this entire summer she's been talking shit and doing all these things and what we haven't seen her once say is this the man that i'm actually going to marry no we see carl the entire summer going is this who i'm really going to marry all of his friends are saying is this who you're going to marry so yeah it's

completely different but at the end of the day it was never going to work it wasn't going to work and i'm glad you said that because along this journey of this summer let's not forget they broke up yeah right and like everybody want i feel it's confusing to me because the first however many episodes she was not nice to him we watched that happening she accused him of using all those shitty things that were going on it's like what i said earlier one good conversation doesn't erase everything yeah on either side like that drunken by the way she was lit that doesn't take away from what she said again i thought i was on her side for that combo that doesn't negate the two years that we've watched these two not getting along you can take it further back than that when

they dated the first time like this 100% and i forget who said it specifically i think it might have been page they both want this fairy tale two friends fall in love we figure it out we get married all this beautiful it is great it's not working it's simply not working and i think what i'm trying to do as the season like comes to an end why i'm trying to be neutral is because It's so volatile online when people are taking a side, like, oh, well, you're fucking this, you're fucking not, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, from what I've seen, Lindsay's been a huge asshole to Carl, right? Did he handle this the best way that he could have? Absolutely not.

There should have just been a conversation between those two to figure this shit out and move forward. Because of the lack of communication throughout their relationship, that is impossible. So they're both going to other people to try to figure this out. And of course, they're going to be nice to each other face to face. Because, one, they're trying to be nice to each other because they're getting married. Two, they're probably tired of everybody questioning their relationship. So, yes, they're faking it to each other to try to look like they're putting on a good show. Separately, they're not.

When you see the Kyle and Carl conversation, no, that was dumb. He shouldn't have done that. When you see the Carl and parents' conversation, he absolutely should go to them. That is what a good support system looks like. And they also gives them sound advice. And they also don't sit there and trash Lindsay. They say, I've seen this. It makes me nervous.

I don't think this is right. I don't think you're ready for this. Yep. That is not fuck her, get the fuck out of there. So I think that everyone gets so caught up in what team, who side you're on, this and that. You can see flaws in a lot of this stuff. At the end of the day,

these two should never have gotten together. I think that's the most important part, yeah. Yeah. So hopefully don't get dragged for that. Time will tell. But yeah, let's get to some. Praeguntus. Damela.

Mr. Robot. Mr. 305. We had a debate about him in the gym today. Did you? Yeah, about whether or not he's tough.

Like, would you want to fight Pitbull? Well, no, because I think that he brings happiness to the world, so I would never want to fight a guy like that.

Right, no. But if he was a complete asshole and it was just pit bulls? Would you be intimidated? No. No. Isn't he like 5-6? He's short.

I'm just saying, bro. You don't know. Mr. Worldwide, Mr. O'Five. All right, let's get into some questions here. Jazz and A said, on a scale of 1 to 10, how hot do you think Joey Balloons is? Two. Four.

No, two point five. He just looks like a dirtbag, and he acted like an asshole. So, like, he gets, I tried. I advocated for him last week. I will not die on that hill this week. Lauren 3D asks, is it time for Danielle to go? Lindsay is Gabby and Danielle is burning all other bridges. Lindsay is Gabby?

Lindsay has Gabby, yeah. We no longer have to look at Lindsay and Danielle as sort of a package deal. I don't think you can get rid of anybody until we know what next season is going to look like. Lindsay and Carl's, but you've got to figure that shit out first before you start whacking other people. I do agree with that. Speaking of, Tom underscore Whitrick asked, Do you see Carl and Lindsay returning in full-time capacity next year or demoted? They're not going to get demoted.

It's all about whether or not Lindsay or Carl can handle being in the same house together. But they were just at a wedding together in Portugal, so who the fuck knows? I think they can be cordial. I think they can fake being cordial and talk shit about each other behind closed doors, which could be interesting. I don't know. There's so many question marks that I don't think we'll have any real handle on until we see the reunion. I think the reunion is going to tell a lot. I don't even think they filmed the reunion yet.

I don't think they have either. I haven't seen any pictures. Grace Alexis said, do you think Gabby should have forgiven Danielle so easily? What do you actually think? Do you think that she should have given her shit that next morning, put her in her place a little bit, or just move on because you had a very stressful night?

I think she was well within her right to put in her place, but I think at the end of the day, Gabby's a classy lady. She's not going to go down to the depths of Danielle because she doesn't have to. class class all the way yeah no all right we'll do two more here

Mary had a little said did the producers do Danielle dirty by showing her naked crawling into bed with the balloon guy that was I was shocked with everything they showed that scene there was a lot going on in that scene we don't like to talk about those one put a fucking towel over the camera yeah bro like mine how long have you been on the show I don't know why they showed a lot

should a lot like too much no I don't need to see it they should a lot I don't know I don't want to say it uh one last question here from Melissa 87 Red Bull can we get a side up recapping Philly Sports the bros got me invested and I need more uh not right now

we didn't we didn't talk about the Philadelphia basketball team for a reason yeah we're not doing that I don't even know what their name is anymore couldn't tell you couldn't tell you Delaware Blue Coats. They're playing like a G-League team. Yeah, so, you know, maybe in the fall.

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