Bros & Shows - Lindsay Creates Doubts in the HubbHouse (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: March 13, 2024

What's up Bros? We watched Summer House and this season is shaping up to be a wild ride. Lindsay and Carl haven't smoothed things over yet and we see some more interesting moves from Lindsay. She approaches Danielle to talk a little smack about Carl, even though her and Danielle aren't very close at that point in time. Lindsay spins the narrative to make it seem as though Carl was way out of line the night before even though she has taken zero accountability for questioning Carl's sobriety. We also find out the Paige is starting to catch a vibe from Jessie Soloman and she doesn't like it. Lindsay and Carl have a conversation finally, because Carl approached her. She ends up taking no accountability and we're getting more and more examples here of things that could have caused a rift between these two. West and Ciara go on a date and we can all agree, they're great. All that and lots more on today's Summer House recap! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Took a little time off. Steele was doing some traveling. I was not doing traveling. I was just relaxing, you know? I had a moment today that, do you know the song? I don't know what it's called, but it's like, you'd probably, but you would know it if I'm going to start singing it. I'm just going to start singing it.

It's on TikTok all the time. It's like, when I'm back in Chicago. No. You know that song? No. Okay. Well, anyway, it's sung by Joe Kiri, who's Steve in Stranger Things. Oh, don't shit.

A huge song. If you go on TikTok, it's like every other fucking post is that song with the background. And I had no idea, but I really liked the song. So I was going through it. And then finally a TikTok popped up and it was, did you know that Joe Keri sings the song? I'm like, oh, that's insane. So I went and listened to the song and then listen to the other stuff. It's like the rest of it kind of sounds like the Beatles when they were on LSD.

Okay. You know, like when they get a little experimental. But that song's really good, and that blew me away. It was great. Steve the Hare Harrington. Yep. He's a singer. I had no idea.

Pretty good, too. You know where you could listen to that? In a summer house. Jesus, dude. You thought I was going to plug the live show, didn't you? You're going to plug Spotify or something. I don't know what the hell is going on. We're on Spotify.

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We don't want to get on Spotify's bad side. Yeah, no, they're much more powerful than we are. Yeah. We love you. I don't like to admit that, but yeah. Maybe they're in the Illuminati with the Beatles. The ultra tie back in. No, yeah, we're going to get into Summer House because this is, I don't even know if we call this a midweek episode.

We're just trying to get out as much content as possible. You know, we're trying to catch up. Like I said, we took a couple of days off from a live show. Speaking of... We've got two more live shows coming back up, and the first one that's coming up is Friday, May 3rd in D.C. I apologize if you listen to the Beverly Hills one just before this, because we're going to do it again. We've got two shows coming up. The first one is D.C. May 3rd, Friday night, Union Stage.

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Make sure you get your tickets for that. Come see the bros live at two different venues. Yeah, in Broston. Broston. Why did you say Breston first? I was going to say Brostin. And then I was like, that doesn't make sense. Then I said Brostonin, but I got caught in the

middle. Okay. That's fair. We'll work on that. That's my explanation. At least I have an explanation for it. This is what happens when we do two episodes in one day. Yeah, we get wacky.

So buckle up. Wacky. Maybe, but we are back with Summerhouse, which this is a good season of Summerhouse, and I'm so glad. Three episodes, I know. Relax. Look, look, look. Compared to what we watched last year,

this is a good season of Summerhouse thus far. And I am, as I said last episode, the serial optimist of the group. So I'm just excited because I like when this show is good. When Summer House is good, it's a great fucking show. Like, it's entertaining, it's light, it's easy to watch. Like, this is a fun show. So I'm excited that we got off the ground running, especially after last season. But we jump in and it's a much more serious topic.

And this is the aftermath of all of that shit we saw last week with Lindsay being a total asshole to Carl, asking if he's sober, if he's doing drugs again. asking everybody in the house or telling everybody in the house like this is he's not sober you're implying that he has fallen off the wagon which i've already given my rant on that we get a check-in between lindsay and daniel of all people and they're not cool like they haven't smoothed things over the last time they talked was a while ago i think they took a picture somewhere because they're both in the same place but they're not on like speaking terms and lindsay spins this story completely the other way we saw the morning after carl gets upset rightfully

so because of all the bullshit she spewed the night before she was drunk she takes no accountability in the bedroom when they're trying to have the conversation carl gets a little bit heated he does not yell he wasn't aggressive he wasn't any of those things he's frustrated because you're not taking the time to talk to him when he's trying very hard to take the time to talk to you you're not hearing it you say that he's speaking over you he's being aggressive all of these things to daniel who's not your friend right now we watched it happen this is horrible fine. Yeah, I mean, the side-by-side conversations that we get with Carl and Kyle sitting outside and Danielle and Lindsay inside couldn't have gone completely differently. And it's, look, at the end of the day, you have to be kind of a sick person to watch a relationship like Carl and Lindsay just fall apart. And I'm a hypochondriac. I fucking love it. Oh, God. I can't get enough of it. Because we know how it ends. And, like, I despise Lindsay right now. She is so intolerable. And for her to go to a non-friend right now.

Listen, we had the conversation on the beach a little bit later. Danielle isn't even sure if she wants to go to your goddamn wedding. Right. What are you confiding in her? Because you have no other friends in the house. You are afraid to talk to anybody else.

And yet, you're sitting here with someone who questioned your relationship last year and you are so giddy to spin this story where you are a complete asshole. You're playing victim. You double and triple down on whether or not Carl was doing drugs the night before

just because you felt like he was being aggressive towards you. You came home and you were hammered, laying in bed, speaking nonsense, talking about all this shit with Gabby, and Gabby's like, I don't know what the hell's going on. People say, whoa, when you say cocaine, Carl, and you say it again?

It doesn't make any sense for you to sit there now with Danielle, who you're not in a good place with, and spin this whole story as if you're the victim in all of this. Carl was aggressive in going after you. No, he probably wasn't. You were anxious, which is fine, by the way, and this is what is so

tough to watch too. Carl is giving Lindsay so much grace. And he's letting her, he understands. And we talked about it last week. We're like, look, we know going into this, you're going to be extremely anxious. Just don't take it out on each other because it's not the person that should be, have

any sort of anger directed at. And you immediately fail that test. And for Carl to sit outside and he's talking to Kyle and he's still giving her passes again and again and he's talking about how anxious she is, Kyle has to stop him. And these two are friends. Kyle stops him. He's like, Dude, this is what happens with Lindsay.

You have to, he's like, I have to eventually just fall on the sword and deal with it. I'm not in relationship with her. I am not engaged to her. You shouldn't have to do that. And Carl's like, yeah, no, I get it. But I think the saddest part is he's sitting there talking about the wedding and you're supposed to be excited about a wedding. You're supposed to be pumped about it. Like, yeah, is there other shit going on that you're a little anxious about, you know, trying to get vendors together or whatever and try to get to a head count?

Sure. You shouldn't be sitting there and saying, when I think about it, I get really sad. Yeah. That's fucking. terrible. That's brutal. And he says, I don't want to blame her. That's when Kyle cut him off and goes, dude, what she said last night is unacceptable. Yep. And it is. There's no working around it. There's no other way to spin it. Like, I get your try to protect your girl here, but at the same time, dude, you got to protect yourself at the same time. I said same time twice. You did. But

it's important to get across. Same time, same time. But the fact that she keeps bringing up old Carl is awful because you're weaponizing it. You're trying to do that so that everyone in the house has a visual of, oh, shit, we remember old Carl. But by implying it when it doesn't apply, that is dangerous because you're making Carl second guess his actions. Carl is a fragile sobriety person. He has been very open about that. It's not as easy for him sometimes, and it's amazing that he has the strength to share that. That doesn't mean he's weak. It doesn't anything. It means he's strong enough to say there's certain things that I struggle with still. And I'm working on it. I'm trying to be the best person I can. If you're throwing

inklings out there that he is reminiscent in any way, shape, or form of the guy that he used to be, now he's questioning himself. Now he's questioning what he's doing. Am I that guy again? Am I being aggressive? Because that's how it starts. You start to repeat certain patterns. Next thing you know, things start to snowball and you start to become that person again. So just by planting that seed in his head where he has to second guess himself when he's not in wrong that's the other part of this by her saying he was aggressive that morning that gives you a glimpse into the car ride if that is her version of him being aggressive then we know exactly what happened in the car he wasn't being aggressive he was trying to be calm she was drunk and

overreacted to it that's what we're getting yeah and honestly at the end of the day the denominator and all of this is lindsay yeah he's not using drugs he's not drinking and you're seeing some sort of and this is the thing is lindsay can never look in because she has no fucking like personal awareness or self-awareness you're the reason why he's acting this way not everybody else

you're the reason you're supposed to be the person that's supporting him he needs help we watched how last summer went he was struggling the entire summer you were so wrapped up in your own shit

and everybody else disliking you that you made it really difficult for him here we are again back in the summer house you're doing it once again this is all about you and how uncomfortable you are and you don't want to do this with them

and you think everybody's out to get you Carl's just trying to help everybody and he's trying to smooth everything over and make sure that you are at least somewhat aware of what's going on and you can try to calm the hell down and you're going back at him and it's creating this old Carl, if you will. You're the reason why he's doing it all. Yeah. And by the way, even when he is frustrated, rightfully so, he's angry, rightfully so, he's not being explosive. He is very in control of his emotions. He's trying to talk his way through it with other people in the house and still. not make you out to be the villain in the story.

This man is trying to do everything to defend you and to paint a picture of it's not that bad. And that's when you know a situation, a relationship, an engagement, anything. If you have to defend it with, it's not that bad, it's probably pretty fucking bad. And we're watching it all unfold. And you're taking pleasure in it, which is a whole different story. Oh, yeah. But it's interesting.

And looking at it through this lens when you see a scene when they're at the beach. and you see Carl and Danielle having a catch with the football and talking about Carl's job and what he's trying to do and what he's searching for in life and they're just having a normal talk look they it flashes over to Lindsay she's making a face at those two having a conversation you just had a conversation with her I don't see what the problem is there but she's just talking to him and this is what this relationship prohibits from happening other relationships with other people in the house in life probably These two are probably so sickeningly codependent that they don't have time for other people when they're in the city. They're probably on top of each other and not in a sexual way all of the time. Yeah. But you get to see, okay, Carl and Danielle, maybe there is a friendship there. We get a glimpse of it later not to jump too far ahead when they're at dinner. The way that Amanda reacts, which is like, we have Carl.

That is such a shock moment where it's like, holy shit, guys, we actually have Carl one-on-one. I would love to know when the last time that happened was. I know what I mean Like it has to be Definitely not off camera To the point where Amanda's reaction Was so genuine like oh my God We get solo Carl for once

This is fucking great Because people like Carl Because he's a likable guy Without Lindsay he's much more likable It's just it's tough to watch But we get Paige and Amanda Discussing Jesse Which I'm glad we're finally talking about it

But Amanda says He's overstepping Page says yeah he's overstepping He put his hand on my knee And then he says why Craig will beat your ass. Good. I want to see this fight.

I want to see this fight. Yeah. It's in like an exhibition boxing setting. Let's not get anybody legally in trouble. But I think there should be like a Bravo beatdown where if a Bravo Lab wants to challenge a Bravo Lab, there's a forum in which they can both consent to do so. And maybe, you know, just have a little boxing match. At the very least, give me like the claymation, give me a little celebrity death match.

Oh, man, that would be cool. And we just have like Carl or rather Carl. Although I did have a hard time when they're walking around the house. I'm like, is that car? No, it's Jesse. They are very tall and they're kind of like similar builds. Yeah, so that was really confusing. But Jesse wasn't even in this episode at all.

Not really. I don't think he did a damn thing in this episode. And that's, I think, what we need to point to. And this is what we talked about last episode where Jesse's in the car riding up with West. And he's talking about it. And we talked about it in the first episode, too. He's talking about going after girls that are in relationships. Don't do that.

Don't do that. And when Paige is in the kitchen the morning after that night, she goes, yeah, I kind of browned out. You'd have to tell me what happened last night. She remembers that specifically. That's a problem. You shouldn't be doing shit like that. And I do like that at least, you know, it wasn't super heavy.

It wasn't a big thing. But it is still a, hey, dude, boundaries. Or Craig will beat your ass. Yeah. Yeah. It should be as simple as that. It is. Hopefully he backs off because I do think Jesse can bring a little bit more to this show.

Obviously, West has brought so much to the show. He's such a likable character that you get a little bit from, especially from a new guy. It just makes it a lot more lighter, a lot more fun, and I'm into it. Jesse, I think, can bring a little bit of that. He just needs to get the fuck away from Paige. Honestly, if you leave the, I'm going to go after taken girls thing, like, get over that. That's not fun. That's not funny.

It's not cute. It's not anything. It's embarrassing in a weird way to go about your life. Right. Especially if you're going to announce it on TV. Like, yeah, I'm a homemaker. Like, weird. Very weird.

And I agree with you. I think that there's way more to this dude that can be brought to this show. I think he can help this show a lot if he stops with that narrative. And I don't know if that's like his big plan was like, this is who I'm going to be on the show. Weird approach. Yeah, very weird approach. But hopefully this will check him a little bit at some point.

He gets checked and he's like, oh, shit, maybe this is the wrong way to go about things. But time will tell the next scene we get Lindsay and Danielle talking. Man, this one pissed me off too. And I should just get used to when Lindsay's on the screen that I'm going to be mad at something that's happening because they're talking about what Carl and Danielle were discussing. He's like, oh, you know, he's just talking about what he wants to do, you know, this journey that he's on right now trying to figure out the next step. And she's like, yeah, but he's been doing that for a year.

And then we go into a stupid confessional where she's like, I'm an influencer. I make a ton of money doing this, this and that. Did you see her, the house in Nashville that she's promoting? No. It's a reality-themed house. Oh, that's her? Yeah. I saw the house.

I didn't know that hub house or house a hub or whatever and yeah it's and I know a lot of people I think it's a cool idea I think it's not bad idea but it's Lindsay so I'm not for it I'm against it I am too just because she's pissing me off so much this is the thing though and I I'm trying to separate the art from the artist if you will with Lindsay I don't really have a problem with her bitching about Carl trying to find a job I feel like that probably sucks like in a relationship if your boyfriend and look we've seen Carl do this for how many fucking years. He never knows what to do about his career. He's always making changes. He's always overthinking things. Just go into sales and like figure it out and jump around, dude.

I get where he was last year. He was in a really bad spot with lover boy. But a full year of trying to figure it out and paying somebody $20,000 to give you career advice and you still don't know what you're doing. Again, like if you have the means to do that, sure. That's what I mean. But like we know people like that and they kind of annoy me. I think that when you add in the sobriety factor, it's a very different story, honestly. Possibly. Yeah. That could be factor into it. And again, I don't like Lindsay nagging about Carl to somebody who she's not close with

currently with Danielle. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But at the end of the day, I kind of understand that. At the core of it, my issue is just Lindsay talking shit about Carl. You're in a not good place right now, after what you did last night. You just said that he was on drugs. He's a sober

person who's struggling. You shouldn't be sitting there talking more shit about your fiance to someone that you're not close with. What the fuck are you doing? But I agree with Danielle's approach. And again, that could be because I'm sober as well and sympathizing with the fact that, like, he's trying to figure out everything his entire life, what it looks like without booze and jobs. And he had a great job at Lover Boy, but because it was centered around booze, that wasn't a good fit. So now he's just trying to find his footing.

And the one person that should be in your corner is your fiancé. She shouldn't be. And this is her, dude. And I'm sure this shit happens behind closed doors. and she says shit like this all the time, these off-color comments. Like, you know, we're just trying to figure out

what Carl's going to do when he grows up. Like, you have it all figured out. You have it all together. Carl's the fucking mess. Are you kidding me? Like, those are the comments? Like, let's be honest. What are you doing?

You're doing basically, you're doing what page does? You're getting things sent to you and then you're sitting on camera in front of it. And look, we did this in the new Roney too when they were talking, I forget who it was. Cy, I guess, was doing it.

They're not, you know, jobs that you get up on a chair and start yelling about how much of an impact you're making on the world. Like, let's relax a little bit. It's just crazy, dude. And, like, it just, it really bums me out because I'm sure this shit is so much more compounded when they're alone. And it's probably her saying stuff and Carl being like, yeah, you're right, babe.

And just trying to be agreeable because if he's not agreeable, we see what happens. There's a new variation on babe. It's babes. Babes, I know. Yeah, that's how they altered it. She's like, okay, I know you don't say babe. We're not going to say babe all weekend. We're going to add an S to it.

Babes. like fuck me but after we just had a meltdown of a fight yeah and you know so toxic it's it's so toxic it's not great because carl's suffering from it i know but he's okay now he is okay and thank god he got through it and all that and i'm so glad that he just stayed quiet yeah i'm so glad that over the past year waiting for this season to come out he didn't go on a campaign against lindsay he didn't speak out he didn't do interviews he didn't do anything and i think it's because he knows once you watch the season and there's a is what Craig told us, once you watch it, you'll get it.

Yeah. So I'm glad that he took that approach, but Danielle ends up saying that she's going to go to the wedding because Lindsay, now she needs a friend. So now she's like, of course I want you there. It's like, oh, you do? Because last year says a different, different story. So it's fucking annoying, man. It's all fucking annoying.

But we get Carl and Lindsay finally having a discussion at the beach. and this was brutal. I fucking hated it from start to finish because as he approaches her to have a conversation, she's dismissive as shit. She's like, hmm, okay, I guess. Like, she's still the victim. Yep.

She has yet to once say to anybody, I can't believe I said that last night. Anything along this night. No remorse. Zero remorse. She's still the victim and they go over there. Carl initiates where he's like, you know, I got a little heated this.

And that's like, bro, no, you didn't. You defended you. yourself. That's when you see a broken person. He's bending the knee to every, every will that she has to try to make this work. He just wants to make this work because he's her protector in some way, shape, or form. He's the protector of the relationship. Other people don't know her like I do. I have to smooth this over because at the root of it, she's a great person. I know that person. All of you don't. The girl that you're seeing and telling me to be wary of and to guard myself from, I don't know that person because she's beautiful and great. I just have to be the mediator.

no you don't that's not how relationships work man that's not what you have to do that's not your role it's a partnership mutual partnership you need to be able to rely on each other if she loses her shit on you and says some horrible things you have every right to get mad say that's fucked up and not try to smooth it over that's her job to do it but carl being carl and in the position he's then he takes it upon himself to smooth it over instantly instantly she plays the victim i just don't know where this is coming from i just don't know where this is coming from he's like oh i love you I know. That's when I knew. Like, you're a fucking sociopath.

This is all about you. You don't give a fuck about Carl, his feelings, what he's going through, his emotions, because it doesn't serve you. Now it serves you because he is trying to smooth things over. So you're going to continue to play this fucking victim. And she says, I'm not understanding where this is coming from. Are you mad at me for something else? Did I do something to you? That's probably the craziest part of all.

Bizarre. This is what I knew immediately. and this is the thing. If you were drunk enough that you forgot that you said it, I guess that's one thing, but Carl told you multiple times. This is what's going on. You woke up the next day and still brought it up and still questioned it and still said, yeah, I was right to text you and say, text me when you're sober. All of those things because you thought that he was a little aggressive and it brought you back and you're acting like you've got this PTSD from cocaine Carl, from the old Carl, which by the way, when they show those clips, most of the time you guys weren't actually dating, you guys were friends. And I don't, I'm not going to belittle. many of it. That's fine. Whatever. But you know what he's going through. You should know even more what he's going through now. And to sit down on the beach and ask if it was about something else, he's crazy. And again, we didn't, we still really haven't even gotten the specifics of what was said in the car. It's just, you know, from different people that she was upset that she wasn't in the girl's car. It's like, okay, Lindsay, have some fucking

awareness. You're not cool with that. Do we really want to put you? And this is the other thing. you're being protected by being in the car with the guys. Yep. Because none of them are going to get you all riled up. None of them are going to start talking shit to you. Well, you would think. You would think, I guess Carl might. But you in the girl's car is a bad environment.

So they're making sure that you're good. Everything that's going on this weekend is just Carl trying to handle you with care because he knows that you might get super anxious. You might blow up and it's going to ruin the whole weekend. We just want to ease into the summer here. You're doing everything in your power to go against that. Yep. and it makes no sense it's not self-serving you're completely blowing up you shouldn't be there

if this is how you're going to be the entire time and then you're going to blame carl at the end of it the only person that's there to protect you like it's just fucking ludicrous to me and for her to not take responsibility to say oh yeah at the very least i understand look i was really scared because of your actions what was going on i do understand how me saying that you were on drugs last night could impact you or did impact you you're not even saying that much you're just completely ignoring it and saying it must have been about something else. She says it must be about something else. And that's when Carl actually brings up the sober comments.

Her response to that was not, I'm sorry, was not anything remorseful. It was, I have PTSD from old Carl. I blamed you and said that you're doing drugs again because I have PTSD from old Carl and I'm still the victim. Fuck you. What are we doing here? Like you literally said the worst possible thing you could say about somebody that sober to everybody and to people on national TV, and you can't even say, I'm sorry, Carl. She didn't take any accountability.

It's actually starting to make a lot of sense now why she feels like she was blindsided by the end of the year because she has no idea what's going on. That's actually a good point. Like, if you're going to be in that denial or that much denial of what's going on around you to not even understand where Carl's coming from in this sense, then you're not going to understand when he breaks up with you at the end of the summer. You are going to feel blindsided because you're so in your own world that you just don't understand what's going on.

I can sum it up literally in one segment quickly. She said horrible, horrible things, overreacted, tried to rally other people in the group against you when you're actively trying to smooth things over for her to the rest of the group. When you finally sat down for a conversation, Carl apologized. Yep. Lindsay didn't.

That's fucking insane. Thank God he got out of us. Thank God he got out of it. Seriously. Because like from a sobriety standpoint, Like, I don't know how the fuck you would manage that, genuinely. And that's a bold statement to make. But that's the kind of shit I'm seeing.

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We get to the dinner. Dinner scene. Everyone is going their own separate ways. We've got dinner at the house. We got dinner out. And West and Sierra, I wish I. could like find out if they're together i don't know if i don't think they are i want them to be i did come around on it did you i've come around finally yeah well she's giving in a little bit she's giving it a little bit and it's i mean it mostly it's because i think the west is such a great guy and again the the reasons that i didn't want to come around to it is the reasons for most of it is whenever people couple up especially when new guys come in and new girls come in whatever and they start coupling up the summer gets boring yeah they just go on dates they go to fucking barry's

boot camp in the morning. They are boring. They don't have fun anymore. You're also basing this off of Lindsay and Carl again. No, I'm not. Honestly, it happened with, oh, well, that's different. A lot of them went to Barry's boot camp. It wasn't just Lindsay and Carl. Oh, they did? Yeah, like half the group went. Okay. Because they didn't stay

up late. They went to bed at 9 o'clock. Anyway, not this group. Don't bring me back into that, okay? No, this time everything seems aside from the Lindsay and Carl stuff, everything else is pretty light. Everything else is fun. It is. We don't even see, like, I mean, Amanda and Kyle are arguing about kids and stuff but other than that everything else is pretty fun and pretty light and they're partying

and they're having a good time which is what i like to see so i don't think that this would be a huge detriment to that because i do think that west and sierra if they are you know casually dating or whatever can still have fun and still bring it that's at least where i've gotten to okay i'll think i might eat my words i don't think i will because even if it doesn't work i don't think that west is going to go cower or like hold some grudge against sierra and then it's going to divide the house or anything like that i just don't see him doing that and i don't see sierra doing that either because West is still a good guy it's not Austin so I think that it could

work out either way I think that regardless of how it goes it's going to be amicable because of the two parties involved I agree with you there but this is where we get the scene with Carl at dinner and like I said Amanda is just baffled that he's there solo and says to him it's important to have separate things and God damn it

is like you need to have your own shit Lindsay needs to have her own shit and you have your own shit together that's a successful relationship you have to have some independence to be able to thrive as an individual so you can be the best person for your partner so you can show up when it counts that's so big and that was awesome for Amanda to say and I love that the group is not afraid to talk to Carl when Lindsay's not present I also love that they're taking

an approach where it's not bashing her until Sierra speaks up in a second but most of them and Kyle's always been good at this like this is probably one of his best traits is when he talks to his boys like his friends he makes a lot of sense he's usually unless he's drunk pretty calm and elected and logical on the situation when it comes to addressing other people's relationship stuff when it comes to his own that's a different story but he's good at giving advice and like we saw it earlier when he was talking to carl he's not berating lindsay he's just pointing out facts yep saying these are things that you have to do when you're dealing with lindsay i would hate to see that for you for an entire marriage not saying so much like don't do it more saying like you

need to figure out a way through this before you get married, or it's going to be a very, very tough marriage and you're going to be very sad. That's when Sierra jumps in and says, how are you going to maintain your sobriety or your sanity if Lindsay gets obnoxious and rude when she's drunk? What does Carl do? Defends her. She's been a lot better recently, actually. You just haven't seen it because you haven't been around, but she's been a lot better

recently. Yeah, and that's, look, again, I mean, we talk about it all the time where Carl's giving her so much grace than what we think that she deserves. She deserves none. She deserves none. And especially after what she did the night before I get it. But in that moment, you're still going to defend your fiancé, I guess. And that's where, yes, he can have that conversation. But what Sierra said, I feel like is a little bit towing the line. And it's like, all right, I'm not going to bash my fiance here. I'm going to have to defend her. But if we kind of got there organically instead of Sierra just saying it right then and there, I think we may have had a better

answer, and I think that he would have defended her still, but given a better answer and at least gave us a little bit of insight into what he's actually thinking. Maybe. It just happened too fast, is my point. I agree with that, but I also think that his reaction was telling because he didn't, he defended her calmly. He didn't seem up in arms about it. It was almost like, yeah, you're right, but it's been better. Yeah. Like it was. That's what we get with Carl. Even when he, we think that somebody might offend him and he might get up in arms, he's by himself. Lindsay's not there to blow up. This is him playing it cool. Which he can do, yeah.

He's very good at that. It would be nice of Lindsay could do that. But we get Gabby, Paige, and Lindsay in their back at the house. And we get what I thought was a pretty big leak. It didn't seem to be that much. And that's probably because Paige understands exactly what's happening in this moment, which this is why Paige is great. Yeah.

Because she clocks it immediately. She's like, I know what you're doing. Because I'll accept it and we're going to move on from it. But I know exactly what you're doing because Lindsay lets it slip that the story that leaked last year about Craig allegedly getting. kicked out of the wedding of Kyle and Amanda's wedding was leaked by Danielle. It was originally thought that Carl and Lindsay did it.

That was Paige's accusation. Lindsay, who just got Danielle to say okay to going to the wedding, not four hours ago, is immediately throwing her under the bus because it serves her. I loved it, dude. It was fucking nuts. It's so funny.

And thank God again, Paige is like, I'll accept this. I'm not even going to bring it up to Danielle because we're cool. I'm not going to fuck up our relationship because Lindsay's Just to mention, like, is it actually true? Who knows? Who the fuck knows?

We know, this is the thing. The credibility of who it's coming from is very low. You have no credibility right now. You took, what, seven, eight months to come up with this and you decided to do it on the day that now you're back with... I don't know what the fuck Lindsay's doing. I don't know. You're cool with Danielle now.

You just squashed it, essentially. Yeah, obviously you're going to have to work through some shit, but you squashed it on the beach earlier. You should just be happy with that. Now you have a friend in the house. It's like she's using, she's like playing Domino's. And she's using now, all right, first Domino went down. I've got Danielle, we're good.

I'm going to use this and I'm going to sacrifice her to get in the good graces of page. That's chess, baby. Yeah, and that if I get in the good graces of page, then maybe I can get back in with Amanda and I can be nice to everybody else. The problem here, Lindsay, is you're still a piece of shit. So nobody likes you. So this isn't going to work. You got one friend back and immediately sacrificed her. lost that friend. You didn't gain anything else. Nobody knows what you're saying is true. Nobody's

going to give you that. So no, this was a terrible move, but it still made me laugh. I thought it was really funny. And again, this is the type of messiness that I love. Like, this is what we need on these shows is messy behavior like that. Because we can sit here and analyze it and say, that's so stupid. I like that you tried to do that, but it's still really stupid and it's not going to work. But I love to watch it. But the next day, this tells you once again, I'm going to point out the moments in which it shows you what place Carl's in in this relationship and what his role in this relationship is. And that's to keep the peace so that she doesn't piss off everybody else.

The next morning, or I guess it was that night in the morning. She was drunk and they get home. And she's like, what was it? Like a winning moment or some stupid shit? She's like, I let Page know that it was Danielle to leak the story. That's not a winning moment, you dip shit? You threw Daniel under the bus for what? You can tell that Carl just immediately identified it as I'm not dealing with this right now.

He says, good job, Ben. Yeah, we're just going to give her props for something. And I know that's going to be a fire that we're going to have to put out next week. And I don't want to deal with it right now. I want to go to bed. It's so dumb, dude. Like, I just don't get what the thought process is. As you said, this is chess for dummies.

How about that? She read how to play chess for dummies, but with people. But with people instead. with people and feelings and relationships. Nothing she says is true. Like, what, she comes out last week and apologizes saying that she shouldn't have said that about Carl. Like, now we fully do understand why Carl hasn't said a word. He doesn't have to.

Lindsay is blowing herself up. Yep. In every way, shape, and form. And I, I know we talked about this last week, I just don't know how you bring Lindsay back into that house if her and Carl aren't dating. You don't. And then the house is great. They will. You don't.

But they will. Don't. Don't. You don't have to. This cast is fantastic. Think about the first episode. We have single Carl. Think about the first episode. Single Carl would be fun to watch. Especially sober single Carl. We haven't seen that. Sober single Carl. I guess we saw a glimpse of it. We're going to get Lindsay too. I don't, man, I don't know.

There's a lot of chatter and nobody really knows what's going on. And Danielle apparently said last week that she thinks they need a lot more time to figure it out. Bravo is not a network that gives people time to figure things out. It's not true. They take gaps. They do. What are you talking about?

No, no, no, no. Jersey took a nine-month breather. But it's summer house. You can't push it. What are they going to do? Push it to winter house and just make winter house summer house. Skip a summer. They're not going to do it.

Miami was paused for six seasons. And I know it's not a housewife show. I'm just saying there's definitely a route in which you can. Just because you keep saying it doesn't mean that there's not a way in which they can pause the show for you. I'm not talking myself into... I'm not talking myself into shit. I'm gas-lating asshole. I'm not even gas-ling

you how I feel about it. You cannot say logically that they can pause some shows and not the other just because it doesn't have housewise in the name. It has summer in the name. It doesn't fucking matter. You take a summer off. But then it's next summer house.

No, it's... Who would be dumb enough to name it that? This isn't even a good bit. I'm glad you're laughing at your because you sound dumb. No, because I know that this is what's going to happen. You don't. You're not going to take it. This is not a Nostra dumbass moment for you.

I think that there's a very real possibility that Lindsay doesn't come back next time. I can't wait. I'll do something different. You can talk yourself into her not coming back at all. I'll talk myself back into really enjoying her back in the house because everybody bashes her. Okay, why don't you do that? But let's finish this fucking episode. We get Lindsay and Carl.

Well, we get first we need to point it out because West secured the date. They are going out in the city. It seems like a very fun date. The dude's got Riz. He's got Riz. He's got Nips out. He's got nips out. Sometimes you got nips out for the boys, you know?

Boys play. You got to do it. And look, the date seems like it went well. They definitely vibe together. As you said, if this doesn't end in a relationship, which I don't think it did, I do think that these two will be just fine. I think they'll be able to be like, high five. That was fun.

We tried whatever and be able to move on from it, which is great. Because as you said, we don't get stuck in that weird middle ground where now it's a bummer to be in the house because there's awkwardness. It would only be a bummer if it doesn't work and then Jesse starts hitting on her. That would bum me out. That would bum me out a lot. Well, if only we had West coming on the show soon, so we could ask him. We could just ask him. Hint.

Plain and simple. Hint. Hint. Say it one more time. Hint. There you go. but the last scene is Lindsay and Carl this scene sucked as well

because Carl takes it to a mocktail bar which is a thing there's a lot of these popping up there's one of Mannyunk so there's a lot of places you can go that are just sober bars and if there's a market for it which there seems to be why not pursue that a little bit but

Carl brings up the next phase in his life and you know the fact that this break has been really good for me needed a break and you said that you kind of see where Lindsay's coming from and I'll try to look at it through that lens of being frustrated that he's spinning his wheels a little bit trying to figure out what's next sure fine the lack of support ever is where I'm like fuck me dude because she's like I'm thinking about it

from a viewer who we've seen Carl do this time and time again I still think it's funny and I don't really care because it has no impact on my life but watching the scene of Lindsay just not being supportive that sucks it does because she's like you talk a lot but you don't do it. I'm attracted to drive. I'm not attracted to you. You lazy fuck. Not only that, but if you had drive and ambition,

I'd be like, let's go to the bathroom right now and he tries to crack a joke about going to the bathroom right now. And she goes, no, not right now. Not right now. Like she's literally just anything, anything, any joy or hope or anything this man has, she beats it into the ground and he just accepts it because that's where he is.

That's his lot in life right now. And that fucking blows for anybody that's been in that. position like i fuck i feel so bad for him but he brings up the fact that he's mulling over the idea of a non-alcoholic sports bar a sober sports bar in this city now do i think that this would be a lucrative idea i don't know there you'd have to do it in like the perfect spot find the right client it would be a difficult push for sure that's a really hard put i wouldn't invest in it no but it's it's does that mean it won't work no there's a way in which it works but it also seems like he's just throwing ideas out there where he's trying to figure out what's next.

And you would think that she could at least entertain the idea and be like, all right, well, like, what's your game plan? Like, how would you go about this? Are you going to get investors? Are you going to take out a loan? What would be the business model just for shits and giggles? Maybe hear him out because he seems excited about it to the point where he took you to a mocktail bar intentionally.

Yeah. You like, hey, do you like this? Well, what if she shuts it down immediately? I worked in food and bab my entire life. This is a terrible idea. it's never going to work. You're never going to work again because you're a piece of shit with stupid ideas

and you're old Carl and are you sober right now? Let me smell your mock tail. Anything that she can fucking tear down about this guy, she's tearing it down. She's making him this fucking big. I don't like watching it. I know you think it's funny.

I really don't like watching it. I think it's funny. I know that's funny. But I do think that we got a glimpse into how it works and we watched Lindsay sit on the beach and talk about it. And yeah, I know, like I said, it's probably a little frustrating to watch Carl just spin his wheels and try to figure out what he wants to do when you feel like you're kind of carrying the couple together.

You're carrying your family together, whatever, at least financially, I think we got a glimpse behind the curtain of what happens when Carl says, hey, I'm thinking about doing this. And yeah, we saw an idea that me personally, I don't think it's a very good idea, I don't think it would work, but you know what, what are I? Who am I to say that? I think that he's come to her with multiple ideas. I agree. I think there are other things. And I think the reason he's spinning his wheels is because, you know, he's. every time he comes to her with something, even if it's just innocuous, like, hey, I'm going to get a sales

job, but I might have to work out of, like, California, so I might have to travel a lot. She would say no to that for a different reason. She just says no right away, and she's not giving him any feedback or any other options. She's not coming back with, well, why don't you do this instead? Maybe this could work. Okay, let's figure this one out. She's just saying no right away, but then she's telling her friends, Carl can't find a job. Yep.

That's what's going on right now because that's Lindsay. And it paints a picture that once again, she's trying. I'm putting in the effort. He's not doing shit. He's aggressive. I'm the victim here. Goodbye. Summer movies, Hello, Fall.

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We will explore their unique story, what really happened on and off camera, how becoming famous has truly impacted their lives and what their vision is for their future. This is the real reality. Subscribe now, wherever you get your podcast. She sucks. She does. It's tough, man. It's really tough. But it's been an entertaining three episodes. It definitely has. That's a lot to talk about. Yeah. And I'm glad once again that, you know, we'll be able to see this play out. We haven't heard how this goes down. They've kept the tight lid on it. And I think that's a big attribute to Carl. Like, we've obviously seen Lindsay's camp since the beginning. The woman's score and this came out of nowhere, this piece of shit. Carl got cameras back. up to film this after what I've seen for three episodes I'm so glad that he got cameras and you know why he got cameras if he did do that was so that he could show people yeah this is why I brought

it's not so I could have my TV moment it's so that when you try to spin it I can show them no this is what actually happened I went into it to have a conversation it escalated as it always does because of her and I have it on camera to prove I'm not the asshole that's why he did it It tells me that this entire summer is Lindsay doing terrible things. Carl getting frustrated with her and then her spinning it back at him and he realizes halfway through. If I break up with her, she's going to do the exact same thing on a much grander level. So, yeah, I'm going to bring cameras to that, of course. Absolutely.

So he was smart enough to realize I know that the viewers are watching this and they are on my side because I'm not really doing anything. He's not doing shit. I'm just trying to keep the piece. I'm just trying to make things work. And she's blowing everything up. So he's smart enough to realize that. I need to show the viewers this because I don't even know

at this point if he even needed to show us we would get it you know what I mean like I get he wants to be overprotective of himself at that point and say I want to have this on camera so that everybody can see how it blows up I don't think we even need it because after three episodes I already get it

I'm already, I honestly after last season I already got it but now I'm three episodes into this I fully understand it. You should just do it in episode four. Yeah so I don't know man it's going to be I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. But we got some questions.

So let's jump right in from Canterbury 25. Should Carl immediately end the marriage when Lindsay questioned his sobriety? Well, and they're not married. But end the engagement in a normal scenario? No, I think that's a very difficult conversation that you have with the person the next day. We didn't get to see that because that didn't happen because Lindsay takes no accountability. but even then I think that it takes a couple of conversations before you call off an engagement.

Yeah. But, I mean, he should have shortly thereafter. And who am I to say? I don't know. That's a tough one. That's a really tough one. And I think that once you got to the point where she's not taking any accountability on it,

then you realize that she never will, and it's probably going to pop up again, then you do it. Yeah. For Mary had a little. What Shooter's Beef with Montana? The fuck did I have beef with Montana with? The live show. What did I say?

Oh, I forgot about Montana. What fucking Montana? Like, what the fucking Montana? And I say Montana's a beautiful place. He said nobody wants to live in Montana. Well, I don't know. I rescind my beef with Montana. There you go.

Wow. Got a little heated in the moment, you know? Hey, that doesn't happen often. He doesn't rescind very often. He usually stands by it even if he doesn't actually believe it. So that's a big win for you, Mary. From Mary L. Mary L.M.

Or Mariel M. 1985. The sand of all comparisons. Why is Lindsay doing that? Was she actually, quote, unquote, blindsided? No. No, she wasn't blindsided. She wasn't in her own brain. She was definitely blindsided.

She did not see that coming. She would explain that well, I thought. Interesting take here. I actually hate this take from Mallardigree. Carl has no career driving. Going back to Lover Boy was the easy route. Will it last? I fucking hope so.

At least he's working again, and he's doing something that he's passionate about because he's working with non-alcoholic beverages in a company that he's comfortable with with one of his best friends. Yeah, as long as it doesn't impede on his friendship again, like we saw last summer, whatever. Yeah.

You know what? He's probably in a much better mindset because he doesn't have Lindsay. Yeah. So. No. Boo you. I disagree.

Yeah. I don't like that one. From Steck 33, do you think Kyle and Amanda still have a place on this show? She seems miserable 24-7. there is no summer house with that Kyle and Amanda's married to him so I mean if Amanda doesn't want to be on the show anymore

that's on her but I don't think that's going to happen yeah and I think that the Amanda you're getting right now is a reflection of them not being in a good spot in their marriage I think that she can bring more to the table when they're in a better place yeah we'll see how the season goes with that one I'm not ready to call that yeah that's fair that's fair last one from

oh boy macherin Kate macarincate i think i'm making this one harder than needs to be did carl let lindsay off the hook too quickly this is a subjective answer yeah um i mean as much as we would have loved for him to hold her accountable for what she said

i get him not doing it because he just wants it to end especially while they're up at the house you don't want to make a situation worse you want to find some sort of middle ground which is Lindsay's middle ground, not his. Yeah, I mean, theoretically, he definitely let her off the hook way too fast, but. Yeah, but again. There's other factors at play, it's tough to say.

The biggest factor of play here is he has to go home with her. Exactly. And she's not going to smooth it over. Nope. That's on him entirely. So did he let her off the hook too easily? Technically, yeah. Was that the time and place?

Probably not. So he just did what he's been conditioned to do throughout this relationship, smooth it over so that when he get home, you're not fucking miserable. Correct. fuck that's sad right he's out of it though he's out he's good he's good but uh yeah this is going to be an interesting season to watch unfold it's going to be i think it's going to be tough for me to watch at times just with the sober aspect of it man it i know i don't like to harp on it too much i feel like i get preachy and annoying with it but it's just one of those things dude that

i cannot begin to imagine trying to go through this kind of shit sober in a party house on TV. I don't know how... Like, I have the utmost respect for him and his sobriety to be able to handle this shit. Yeah, I agree with that. But anyway, make sure

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