Bros & Shows - Lindsay Fights Sandoval, Shep Bashes Paige and Lala Ruins The Valley?(and MORE) (BravoCon Recap)

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

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Who do we blame? Yep. Yeah, yep. Ain't have to blame someone. Someone's going to have to take the fall. But this was a lot of information to process. So we're going to do our best to just get you everything that we heard from online and from other people. I got to have me my bros and shows.

Bros and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one-it-only. Shooter-Con Guter.

My con? Con artist. It made it sound like, shooter con sounds interesting. Con air, maybe. Oh, my God. What a movie. What a movie. Wow. What a movie.

So here we are not in Las Vegas. Nope. But we still have our ear to the ground. We know that all of you have been trying to ingest as much BravoCon content because I do feel like this BravoCon was probably the most action-packed that I've seen in the last like four or five years. Even going back to that weird New York one that they did. Yeah, I think they finally got the hang of it is what I'm gathering from it. Because I remember New York was a shit show from, we had reporters on the same.

scene. They reported back to us. That was chaotic. They didn't have anything mapped out well. I heard getting from event to event was clunky because they were in like really different spots. First Vegas run had the bones. All right. We're working on something, but it was still somewhat of a shit show. It appears that that little, they took a pause. Yeah. They took a pause and they got their shit together. Thanks for the Olympics. Yeah, there you go. So I think they have it to the point where now I'll go. Yeah. Now we can go. Now we can really sink our teeth into this. But I didn't really see any reports at all that it was chaos. From everything that I heard, it was just going from event to event.

And if you don't hear anything bad, you have to assume that it was good. I'm sure a lot of our listeners went out there and had a great time. We did not, as Steele said in the cold opening, we didn't get a press pass. We're meant of our word. I feel like we're just going to raise the bar, though, even though we didn't get a press pass. If we get a press pass, then the next time we'll be like, we're not going unless we get a panel. I want to go with just a press pass. Like, I want to be there.

We both want to be there. So don't take this as like, uh, we don't really feel like it. There's my daughter saying hi. Yeah, she agrees. She agrees. But we do really want to go. See, that's how much we want to go. Sounds like a tea kettle.

I know. She gets up there. But Walter's hot. Babies crying. So hopefully next year. But I hope you guys all had an amazing time. And the good news is because they stream everything and because all of you are out there, we see all the videos.

We see all the content. tent. We see the panels. So we're up to speed. We've been paying attention. We did our due diligence and we're ready to break some shit down. Yeah, we're going to break it down. I think show by show and see how that goes. I know for a fact that we're going to spring into different tangents. I have things kind of warmed up as far as segues from things to things because there's some beef between casts and things like that. So we'll try our best to just stay on task. How about that? We'll give you as much information as possible, but you guys don't come here for just information you come here for our opinions yeah that's what we're here for sure so i'm going to start us off

slow we're just going to get warmed up here we've got the new vpr season popping off 12 2 December 2nd we already have the screener we haven't watched it yet so no spoilers but uh from what i've heard i guess they did a one of their famous bravo uh early access bullshit things where you get 12 minutes the show dude why do we do that why is it a thing it's not out online but it will was out for people who were at bravocom. So it's out online. It's going to be out online, I'm sure. Yeah.

What do they do? Like confiscate their phones on the way in? It's going to be like, you remember back in high school, you go on those websites and some assholes like in the movie theater filming the movie and then you could watch that copy? Boy, do I. One, two, three videos. One, two, three movies.

One, two, three movies.com. We'd watch it in the squash courts. Uh-huh. Well, we watched a lot of those movies. Um, yeah, that, that's pretty much what I would expect. But from what firsthand reporters are saying, apparently it is chaotic but it's good it's a good young cast it's people that have been in sir or around sir for years so there's not a lot of obvious we're going to just try to be

a new vpr type of bullshit going on there i think it's funny you heard that and maybe since they got the first 12 minutes it's an updated report because i heard people watch the screeners didn't love it yeah so i can see it going either way honestly yeah no expectations for the I don't either, so I'm cool with conflicting reports. I don't really know what to expect. All I need it to be is not trying to replicate each character from the original. I don't need one person on this new cast that is there because they are the quote-unquote new Stasi or the new Kristen. I just need new people.

And this was another thing too, and this was kind of across the board for shows that haven't premiered yet or their new season's not out and there's newbies. Bravo didn't have the newbies there. So there were no people from the new VPR. Oh, really? And the newbies, even from Beverly Hills, like Amanda and I forget the other woman's name, Ashley, I want to say. It's probably wrong. Yeah, but Rachel wasn't there either, from what I understand. So, like, I don't know why, but Bravo just held the newbies back.

And I feel like this is a good way to get to know them so then you can kind of get an idea of what their personality is before the show starts. What else is BravoCon for? That's what I would. Is that one of those stupid, like, you've got to earn your place at, I hope not. I think it was a precautious attempt by Bravo to hold them back so that people don't get ideas. Or if they get to jacked up on their first BravoCon and pull a ship and then they look like shit. Yeah.

See, I understand it for like the VPR stuff because these people are a little younger. They're in their 20s and 30s. They're probably going to cut loose at BravoCon. They're going to be on camera somewhere. We'll talk about a couple of the on-camera moments that people have caught. But maybe you hold those people back. Housewives, I don't understand at all. Me neither.

That doesn't make a ton of sense. sense to me. And again, it's Beverly Hills, which airs the same week as VPR. So maybe that's why it's a little too close. That might be why they're doing it. I'm not really sure. Otherwise, there's not a lot to report from the VPR land. No, we've already done that a few times. Like, we've gotten little tidbits here and there that has led us to where, like, this is pretty much the same info that we had previously when we reported on this. The only difference is, I guess, they're using security cameras or something to serve some feud. So I guess that happened within the first 12 minutes. it's of whatever people saw.

Yeah. Was there's a dispute and somebody said that someone else did something to them while they were back in Sir's Alley. So they used the security camera to sort it out. So does that set a precedent that we don't want to go down? Using security cameras? Yeah. People are going to start pulling ring footage.

We're going to get a lot more. Yeah. Where does it end? I guess if, and look, Lisa owns Sir, so maybe she just gave Bravo the rights, use my security footage? I would imagine she was involved. Yeah, yeah, she's definitely involved, yeah. But how much more security footage we were getting it at?

That's what I'm saying. Now, you know, what we were used to in the past was, if you're not on camera, like we knew what you guys were doing off camera, jacks mostly. But is there going to be security footage of those types of things? That's what I'm saying. We don't need, sometimes you don't need a peek behind the curtain. Yeah. Okay?

We don't need to see how the, wow, what's the phrase? How the blank is made. Bread? No. I don't feel like it was bread. Watching bread get made is not gross. No. What?

You don't want to see the... Baby's? That can be kind of gross to watch. Sure. Pending. Fuck. I forget it. I'll remember it later.

You're not going to remember. You're just going to be rattled. I'm just going to have to Google it or else I won't be able to move on. I don't want to see how the... It's something like soap? Sausage. Oh, yeah. You don't want to see how sausages is made.

Yeah, you don't want to see how the sausages is made. Oh, man. That's one of those actual phrases, That makes the most sense. Yeah, I don't want to see that. I've made sausage before, and it still grosses me out. Yeah. Delicious.

Gross. I feel like the next step is pretty obvious. We just go right into the valley. Yeah. Makes the most sense. There was a good bit of news from the Valley, not for lack of awkwardness from the cast. The cast was very weird. Did you watch the panel?

It did. I watched the whole panel and multiple other panels where other people from the Valley were on there. The whole cast just seems weird and off. I don't think the Valley cast is the Braves. of O'Con type. No. I think the Valleycast thrives, because remember, a lot of them are not reality TV stars. Yeah.

They're just getting into this. So I feel like they're also older, not old, but I feel like if they were in their 20s or 30s, like the VPR crew, they'd be a little more like, yay. Yeah, for sure. But I feel like they're just adults that are like, this is new. Yeah, like Danny and Neer are worried about their kids. Right. Janet and Jason are worried about a potential divorce. Right.

Kristen and Luke just seemed normal and happy. Well, they're used to the, that's my point. She seemed normal on the panel. The others, I think they're still playing catch-up. I'm still surprised, like, that there were really no cast moves at all, except for Jack's going home. I think, I mean, there's also a major one. Well, yeah, but.

And God. Yeah. You want to talk about the worst panel of all time. Lala's performance was awful. Yeah, she sucks. She still sucks. I wasn't worried until she started talking. Now I'm like, oh,

fuck because the funny thing is behind closed doors apparently both Lala and Schwartz were wary that they were going to get booed. Oh really? I think it was right after I'm trying to remember the lineup because there's so much that happened but Sandoval had sat down on a panel and whoever

was hosting the panel asked if he would want to go on the valley. Oh yeah. They didn't do it shady enough though I feel like I would have like asked the question a little bit differently like you feel a little left out there Tommy maybe something like that and he looked to the audience and was like you guys want me on the valley and they're Like, no, fuck no, boo, screaming boo and no.

So that didn't go over well. I wonder if that got back to Lala and Schwartz, and they were like, oh, shit. We saw some things online, too. But I feel like they didn't do, like, the formal introduction. Like, here we go. They're going to be on the show full time. We just kind of heard that they were going to be on the show full time. Yeah.

But now, yeah, I'm with you. I'm a little worried after seeing Lala's performance. Shorts is Schwartz. Yeah, she was like, Vanderpump Rules was a well-oiled machine. And now in this show, I'm the well-oiled machine. I was like, this show was just fine without you. And now you're coming in here with your nose turned up at these guys who are just starting their reality career,

but they're three seasons in, two seasons in. Yeah. And it's one of the best shows on Bravo. You're not coming into a situation in which they need Shohei Otani to juice up the lineup. You're walking into a situation. Oh, you guys are only, a lot of you are only going to know that from the gambling. Juicing something.

Yeah. But you're coming into a situation, where it's already good. The only thing you can do is make it worse, potentially. And when I hear you talking like you are the reason, because this tells me

that she did too much this season, and this tells me that she thinks she killed it. In years past, when Lala kills it or does too much, the show suck. So that immediately leads me to,

wow, the show is probably going to take a hit. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but she did not instill confidence because of her confidence that she is the good part of the show. I'm hoping that she's just putting on for the stage. She could be, which is also a very genuine possibility.

But I'm with you. I do think that her comments about being a well-oiled machine and referring to the Valley as potentially not a well-oiled machine is wrong. It's absolutely wrong. It just doesn't make a ton of sense. So, yeah, that would indicate if we're supposed to take her out of word that she came in very strong and felt like she was going to clean up the streets and get things going in the right direction.

Yeah, if she did that, it's not going to hit. but when you say something like I am the well-oiled machine that implies again you think that you fix the show or attempting to fix the show because that's the other part of this two-part statement she made the implication is the show is a mess this show might be a mess now that's what I'm saying and like that's why they were all awkward

they all kind of knew they just hate la la la la. The other thing was that they had to sit down with janet and janet said if you guys didn't like me in season one and two then you're definitely not going to like me in season three I'm okay with that. Samezies. We said this last year. If you want to be a villain, lean into it and be the villain.

And don't care what people say and don't grab your kids and run to Europe when people start being meet-new online. Definitely don't do that. Just be able to handle it. Yeah. And I feel like this could be a good indication that she's able to handle it now. And she's just kind of leaning into that role. Vice versa, we have Kristen saying the next couple headings for Splitsville, specifically, is Janet and Jason. Which, again, we said last year.

Yeah. So all of these things track. And I agree. The fact that she is now taking on the villain role, the funny thing is she's going to get less hate because you're not now parading around like you're a good person. That was the problem. You spoke from this place of you're better than other people. Meanwhile, you're a huge asshole. Just be the asshole. Yeah, just be the asshole. You don't have to do anything extra. No, and we'll probably really like you. That's the other thing, too. If you are an asshole in a timely manner and you go after the people that you feel like are. wronging somebody else or you can at least gather a couple of friends and just be yourself and then also do that then you'll have the fans on your side at least some of them yeah maybe it'll take a little bit a little bit of work to get people to warm up to you but it will but this is a better route to do it yeah we're also like ahead of the curve too because people who

watch these shows genuinely wait a long time to warm up to people that they didn't like for two seasons. Like, if they really just rubbed you the wrong way, it's going to take most of the fans a couple of seasons to be like, oh, yeah, you're good now. But for us, we're like, no, that's what the show needs. Yeah, we got to move on. We're worried about the machine, if you will. We are the mechanics. Yeah, we're trying to oil it. Yeah, we're trying to oil this machine that Lala fucked up, apparently. Yeah. I'm so, like that, because the Janet thing got me excited. I was like, okay, like, that's, that's the direction the show needs to go. That's the director. Janet needs to go. And then Lala talked, and I was like, oh, like, it really made me

nervous. I'm genuinely nervous for this show now because of her statements. Yeah. What the hell you're talking about, buddy? But yeah, so I mean, that's, we, I actually really thought that we were going to get a lot more from the Valley. I thought we were going to get a lot more from Jesse. I thought we were going to get a lot more from Michelle in particular. We didn't get a lot from any of them, really. Again, I just think it's, that's, I don't know if it's jitters or what, because they didn't do BravoCon the first season. No, they didn't. They didn't even have a reunion the first season. So this is their first, like, big event.

So I'm sure a couple of them are a little like, eh. And, you know, again, maybe they're just pissed off at Lala. Maybe they're just pissed off at Lala. It's week two of Canadian Tire's early Black Friday sale. These prices won't go lower this year. So you're lying on the floor? Save up the 50% November 13th to 20th. Conditions apply, details online.

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Well, again, we didn't get a whole lot, so we'll move on to the next show. Where do you want to go? Pick a show, honestly. We've got enough here. Let's do Summer House and Summer in the City or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah, so that was the other weird thing

that came from this. In the City is a working title. Well, now you just have to name at that. I know. We're too far gone. that was somebody put that out there and uh i forget who it was i think it was gips and johns maybe that put it out there and he edited his tweet and just said working title and i'm like who got to him who told him that it's not actually called in the city where did you come from and where's the

fucking announcement you can't change it now no it has to be and look that's the other thing is i feel like the reception to i don't really think a bravo show who cares about the reception but we care about the cast if you're just going to call it in the city and nobody said anything about it, just leave it. I agree. There's no point to change it. But Summerhouse has been done filming for quite a while now in the city is filming currently. So the whole summer house crew is there. One thing I found very funny was news broke last week. Oh boy, everybody shocked Amanda and Kyle are on the rocks again, going through a rough patch. Further reports said that they're not living together. They're actually living separately. So that's, I'm sure, very interesting. Didn't get anything

from that. Literally not one piece of information about this, except for Danny Pellegrino, who seems like an incredibly nice person, ask Sierra about it. You, she got pissed about that. That was so, that was horseshit. Yeah. Justice for Danny. Yeah.

He's up there to ask the questions. Also, Danny did a wonderful job on his panel. I thought he did a great job. He's one of my favorite podcasters in this space. So you get to watch one of the goats do his thing. I was so bummed. I was like, why are you going after this? Somebody has to ask.

He's got, I'm sure, a problem. of like, okay, here's your topics. Don't shut them down and be like, don't do that. It's part of the show. Not to mention, we've been hearing for months now that those two are on the rocks. I mean, years, but again. Pretty much since they started dating. Definitely.

I just mean it's ramped up a little bit in the past couple of months. But like, I thought that was so shitty. And I thought that you could tell that it hit Danny a little bit. He was like, oh, like trying to move on. Yeah, he didn't want to be shady asking if somebody had to ask. I do think you would probably be. better off asking Jesse, asking West, because those idiots don't shut up. So they're going to give you actual answers and they don't mean to, and then they're

going to get themselves in hot water. Those are the people they ask. Sierra is really close to Amanda. Of course, she's not going to divulge any information. If she were to, it would be very ho-hum. Like, you're not going to get anything more than ho-hum. I agree. But whatever. It didn't really matter. I was just more annoyed that we had all these reports last week leading up to BravoCon, and we didn't really get any information. Oh, see, I feel differently. Okay.

What does that tell you? That it's the same and that they're just using this as interest to drum up for, quote, unquote, in the city? I think, no. Oh, you think they're heading the splitsville? I do, yeah. Oh, boy. Look, there's only so many times. It's inevitable.

We know it's going to happen. I just don't think it's happening right now. I do. I think we're really close. You know why? Why? Because she's gotten her own thing together. Like the swimsuit line, she was much more confident being independent last season.

Yeah. I would say that. I don't think the swimsuit line is doing that well. Which the swimsuit line is... It's just like a metaphor. Yeah, correct. For her moving on to the next thing in her life. Whether it does well or not, it's kind of irrelevant.

She will find her thing and it will do well. Like, I'm pretty confident just because of her following. Like, she has a lot of very, very faithful followers. She's going to find something. My point is, mentally, she seemed in such a better place last season. She's got a handle on her shit. She knows what she wants in the future. and she has made it very clear that Kyle may not be that person.

If they're not going to do anything to refute it, and if Sierra's going to shut down the only question that was asked about it, that tells me, maybe, that both Kyle and Amanda are actually going through it and caught Sierra so off guard that she's like, whoa, whoa, fuck, no. I can't do that. Yeah, that's a really good point. And again, they just finished filming a couple of months ago, but I guess Amanda, Kyle, Lindsay, obviously, they had to start picking cameras back up,

So they've been filming for six straight months. I'm sure that's great for their marriage, too. Yeah, that's what I'm going to say is picking up for another show right after what was probably more of the same for that summer where Kyle was out. And I know somebody had asked, like, when's the last time that you went out until 4 a.m. And he said last night. So he's already out until 4 a.m. during Vegas. It's not boating super well for their relationship. Nope.

But for Lindsay in particular, we did get some answers as to what extent she's going to be on Summerhouse. It's probably about 50%. She's there about 50% of the time. A couple of the people on the show had answered in different ways. And you can kind of formulate an opinion on what this season of Summer House is going to look like. From what I understand, West is going to get into more hot water with relationships. We saw him on so many dates with random people. He was on a date with Mia from Southern Hospitality.

He's got a crush on Ariana Bierman. He's got a crush on Lisa Barlow. He's got a crush on the way. He's all over the place. So he's going to get himself into some sort of hot water. It might just take a little bit of pressure. off of Jesse. It might be one of those situations.

Jesse's going to sing. You already know that. Carl and Lindsay seemed fine. Which is great. They were great. They were awesome. They were more than cordial. They were pleasant.

I told, I fucking called it. And you said, I don't know last year. And I said, they're going to be friends again one day. They're going to be tight. Was that you? Maybe somebody else. I think it may have been somebody else. But I also don't think, I think it's inconsequential now because Lindsay's going to move

on to her own show anyway. If Carl goes on to that show, then yeah, we have to kind of kind of keep an eye on that. I think if Carl goes on that show, that tells you their besties. That's a good point. Well, I don't know about besties. They're besties. They're besties.

And they're going to get married. Yeah, they're going to get married. But speaking of Lindsay. That was my prediction. My prediction was in like three or four years. Oh, they're going to get married. I was going to be a stepdad. Yeah, I'm rooting for that.

That that would actually end up happening. But speaking of Lindsay, she had a great BravoCon until more footage was released from cell phones that she, and look, there's conflicting reports. I'm going to believe what I think. is Tom Sandoval and his girlfriend got into a very drunken fight in front of an elevator. Shocker. And she stepped in to try to break it up. And I think that's where it ends.

Other people were trying to say that she was also involved in the fight, that she was getting very wordy with Tom's girlfriends. And then Tom stepped in and there's a whole thing there. I think the two of them got really drunk and started fighting. And then Lizzie stepped in and tried to. That tracks, considering what we've seen in their relationship on social media over the past year. Yeah. This is not the first spat they've had, not the first spat. public spat they had they unfollowed each other didn't they block each other at one point and then

they got back together and there was some long wordy instagram post it's like oh we're so good because that's when you know couples are good when they have two paragraphs have run on sentences proclaiming their love for one another yeah that's when you know things are great well the thing is and i think that's also very funny when somebody's on a show and it's a reality show that's currently running and they post that we're going to read the whole thing and try to look for a little here and there. And then if it's a couple that we like, we'll root for them. Fine. Tom is in that weird middle grounds where, look, people that don't have any following also post about their girlfriends when they really love them. Definitely love them and didn't cheat on them.

Totally. They're going to post a whole paragraph about how much they love them. But people in the middle where Tom is, we don't give a fuck. No. I actually care more about those lower level people that I don't really know. Maybe I went to high school with them or grade school with them or neighborhood friends. I'm like, I'm invested. What did you do, buddy? Yeah. I didn't read one iota of that no i didn't either don't care no um but yeah so there's a lot going on in the summer house and i do feel like you get more from a cast that's already done filming and had a couple of months in between because they can kind of reflect on it and give the right answers that bravo's not going to step in and be like hey you can't say that they have an idea

of what they want to say but it seems like gabby's pretty much out that's what the vibe was yeah and i guess it's the type of show that you don't really have to announce a cast because there are newbies. None of the newbies were there once again. But there are newbies. I think it's a couple of girls, from what I understand, maybe one guy. And Gabby on the outs, Lindsay there 50%, Carl, Kyle, Amanda, seem to be there the whole time, Sierra as well. So you're going to get pretty much the same crew, and it's going to be the same shenanigans. I think that they're doing what we wanted them to do, which is phase out the people who have been there for a while. The OGs give them another show, keep a couple people who know them, who know the show, who can show people the ropes, and bring in some new blood.

Yeah, you build it around Jesse West and Sierra as long as she's going to be there. Yeah, I guess. But that's the newbies coming in this year are probably the most important newbies we've ever had on Summerhouse. Yeah. Because this is the changing of the guard. And if they suck, there may not be a changing of the guard. But I think the funniest part is now that we have in the city, are they going to air at the same time? No.

That's good. Yeah. Because in the city, still filming. I think in the city is going to be the show that people want Summer House to be. Correct. Yeah. I think that at some point you're going to have that. And if you can mix some grouping of maybe even going to the other summer house, Martha's Vineyard,

take a couple of those people, kind of filter them in and just have that show as a standalone, a fun show that shows summer that can be a good time with some familiar faces, throw it on in February like you always did. Maybe you have a hit. Maybe something works. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it's just an in-between show, but it's still a comfort show. You can throw that out there and just get us to the point where in the city comes out.

There's at least five castmates from Martha's Vineyard that would do great with this cast in Summerhouse. Yeah, I agree. So we'll have to be on the lookout for that. But now it's time to get into the feuds. And I'm going to use Summerhouse as the segue because Carl said that he feels like they won the feud between them and Southern Charm, simply because Craig was nowhere to be found. He was on stage and that's about it. He was nowhere.

There were no pictures of fans with Craig. There was no pictures of anybody seeing him at the casino or the bars. Not that he's like a big drinker anymore, but he wasn't floating around doing the normal thing like somebody like Shep was. Well, Shep, dude, the guy, he can't help himself. No. Got into hot water two years ago. I don't think it was as bad as that.

There wasn't as much footage of him being blackout drunk in the casino two years ago as there was from this year where he seemed somewhat coherent. He's definitely drunk, but he seemed more coherent than what we heard. Well, I mean, the last. time was apparently a disaster. This was still not pretty, but not nearly what we'd heard happened two years prior. With Craig, I'm not surprised at all. If I have to pick who won, I think that Summerhouse won because Southern Charm talks about it so much. They can't get over it. Yeah, no, they can't get over it. They have their own feud brewing with Soho, which is hilarious.

I heard about that, which is so fucking stupid. I'm going to put it in a different context. And I think it makes more sense. But we'll get to Soho in just a second. For Southern Charm, they've got a season coming up. It looks to be chaos. Craig is single. It looks like he hooks up with Sally. At some point, apparently, there's a five cast member love triangle. Not sure how that fucking works. Hold on. Hold on. Originally, it was a three cast member love triangle. So I figured it was going to be Craig, Sally, and Shep. Shep, maybe. Is Austin still dating his girl? So that's the big doos. Austin and Audrey broke up.

I missed that. Yeah. Austin and Audrey broke up. And apparently it happened during the season. It happened because of all the filming. And it also got caught on camera. The actual breakup. I was going to say, what do you mean?

It got caught on camera. So from what I understand, there was no like cheating or anything like that. Okay, that's good. Which they very well could be with this group of people. That's what I'm saying. But, yeah, they didn't let any. pertinent detail slip just the fact that he's no longer with Audrey. Okay.

Mm-hmm. All right. Hold on. Sally, Craig, Shep. I can see Austin getting in there, depending on how early. We'll keep him on the side just in case we get two more. I think Molly would be in there too because she has a thing for Shep. Okay, we're putting pieces together.

Then you can throw Austin in there. Maybe, unless there's a new person that's floating around. Oh, there is a new guy. I don't know. I would be surprised. We've had the screeners for like a month and a half. We still haven't watched it. Yeah.

I didn't know that. Yeah. just for the first episode. That's all we ever get. It's like October. It's so stupid. We get screeners for the premieres. I know.

There's a couple shows we get the full. We get like six premieres in our folder right now. Yeah. Oh, wow. I need to go. Beverly Hills, VPR. Beverly Hills,

I'm not going to watch. Southern Charm and something else. We had like the other ones. I'll do Southern. I will watch Southern Charm and Vanderpump. Yeah. I'm not going to watch Beverly Hills early. Don't care.

We can do that during Thanksgiving week. And then we'll just have a, ready to roll. Exactly. Exactly. But I don't know. Like Southern Charm for me could go either way this season. Like I think that we have seen so many holes over the past couple of years. Like it's still been fine, but it's been very clunky. And I was really hoping for this season to be like a get right season. I think it still will be a get right season. I think it'll be very interesting to watch people in their 40s still do dumb shit that they did in their 20s. Yeah, and I think that the five-person love...

What is that? Pentagon? The Love Pentagon? That gives me... Oh, wait, segue real quick. Did you see that there's a rumor for the Love Hotel season two? Yeah, it looks good. Yeah.

I don't know if it looks good. I don't know. I mean, the cast sounds good. The cast sounds good. I just, I saw Sonia, Portia. There's two. I thought it was like, oh, that's a good one. Um, fuck, I, we, I just talked about it.

I know. Um, Sonia, Portia. So, yeah. Portia, Sonia, Heather are almost confirmed pretty much. Yeah, see, I think that's, I think that's good. I still think they should, like, I'm okay with the cast. I don't really care. I still think they should have gone the way of having dudes go.

I do too. I just go vice, like, flip-flop back and forth every year. I think that'd be fun. Um, because you have no shortage of dudes that you could throw into that, that are all single in their late 30s, early 40s. And they're a lot dumber than their lady counterparts on these shows. They certainly are. But going back to Southern Charm, just to finish everything up, because, again, that shows starting in, what, two weeks, three weeks at this point.

November, one week, next week, I think. Starts next week. Southern Charm. Fuck me. I thought it was in December. You know what? I should you not. I think it's on Wednesday.

This week? It's November 19. That's incredible. Look at us, guys. Maybe there's a reason why we don't get screeners because we don't pay attention. Well, if we got screeners, then we'd know. Yeah, we would, everybody. Yep, starts Wednesday.

So that'll be on Wednesday night. Great. Maybe we'll go home and watch that tonight. Either way, Southern Charm is, I think it's going to be a hot mess, but it's going to be very entertaining. Okay. I'm, yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic for it. I think I love when this show's good and I needed to get back to that place of, like, last year felt like there was

too many things trying to be forced. I think J.T. being in the mix, that fucks things out. Oh, did you see what he's doing? Oh, yeah. He moved to Bali. Yeah, I think it was Bali. Yeah, and he's a big He sold all of his assets. Like political commentator now. Yeah. Social media.

Yeah. What the fuck's going on there? That's actually exactly what I would expect from a guy like JT. But the good thing is, he's not on the show, which is great. So I think that that that gives us a little bit of a reprieve And I think that the big focus for me, especially early in the season, is let's have fun. Yeah. Let's have some fun.

It's been not fun for, like, it hasn't been terrible for two years, but I feel like the fun has been taken out of the show. There's been too many, like, and I do think that Paige and Craig breaking up will help some of that because it'll push Craig towards the guys. And he's going to be going on dates. He even said it himself, like, this is the first year that I've been single in a while as far as, you know, filming. And this is the first time that I'm opening myself. up to show me dating other people on camera. To what extent we don't know. But I do think that's going to help a little bit more for their camaraderie.

And then obviously they're going to fall apart at some point. It's inevitable. But it's going to be nice to get the mix between that going on and all the shit that happens in Peter Panland. And then going over to Madison and Brett and their beautiful family. I love Madison. That's going to be so funny. She's still on the show. She's still having a great time.

And she can still just kind of be, even though, you know, well, I guess I don't want to call Whitney the matriarch. but I kind of wanted to. I mean, he kind of is. I kind of wanted to. He wants to be. Yeah, but I do feel like Madison wants to kind of take that role from Patricia. Yeah, she's getting trained to be her understudy. Yep.

And just kind of move forward with that. Whitney, uh, not Whitney. I don't care what Whitney was doing. Uh, Madison got into a weird altercation with sigh from Roney. Yeah, I saw that. Which was bizarre. They were on some, it wasn't a panel, but it was like a weird off show, like, just a live talking event.

And the two of them were sitting next to each other. And Madison, of course, being asked a shady question, said, I think Sai was the meanest person that I met this year. And Sai took to Instagram and said, not all brown people look alike. But there's footage of the two of them sitting next to each other. Maybe they didn't get introduced. Maybe it wasn't like a deep conversation or whatever.

Maybe it was something that side didn't even realize was rude. I don't know. Why are people reading too far into these stupid one-off, like shady bravo-con questions? I don't know. And like, not for nothing, but given the interactions I've seen Sy have with a lot of people, I could definitely believe that she was the meanest person that Lindsay met. For sure. Sorry, Madison.

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where Leva wasn't proud of Craig for what he was doing with Sowing Down South. The real reason is everybody on Southern Charm, for the most part, was pissed at Leva for doing a spinoff and leaving them in the dust. And they thought that it was very weird that she was doing it. There was a lot of animosity, but a lot of that didn't make the cameras, because Bravo had to keep tight-lipped. We don't want to let this out. So we're just going to make it look like you guys are mad at each other for innocuous reasons.

The best part of that is I knew that. You knew that because I told you that. But when I, I don't know if I ever told you, I went to the Southern Charm premiere. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So when I was, uh, the Southern Charm cast, I sat with Brittany and Zach. Whitney was pretty cool, right? Whitney was such a, that's my favorite part of the night, which you would think it wouldn't be.

But confirmation. Confirmation is helpful. that my judgment calls on who Whitney was as a person were confirmed. Oh, it felt good. As soon as he was a dick to me, I was like, ha ha, fuck you, dude. Hedge-pegged. Yeah, hedge-pegged. But what I was talking to Lever, she was great.

And I talked to her for a little bit, and she said that. She told me that. That's how we don't do that here. We're not going to like sniff out pee and drop bombshells. So I want to let people know how trustworthy I am. Yeah, we're certainly not going to do that. But Leva did confirm that there was a lot of jealousy surrounding Soho starting off, and it crossed over to when Soho started filming their first season.

A lot of the boys, being Austin, Craig, and Shep didn't really take care of all the guys and some of the girls who were working at Republic, as we know, Shepp liked the frequent there, and that got a little weird. But they were just downright rude to some people. They were downright to Rue to Leva. They were downright Rood to Brad. They didn't cheer Brad on when he was doing certain things. And it seems like Soho has the energy for it, which I like.

Which is great. And again, peek behind the curtain. We knew about that too from talking to some people on the cast. But I think that's better because it's going to make Soho and it already made Soho stand alone. Like their thing is way different than what we're watching on Southern Charm. And like you said, they have the energy for it. I don't think they're going to back down. And I think that if that's the other thing is that all.

Austin said that it's done. He's like, we actually don't care anymore. We just had weird jealousy in the beginning. He admitted that he was jealous. He felt weird about it. And he's like, yeah, since then we're fine. Yeah. So it is kind of funny to watch that happen to because on the one side,

and you don't really expect this from the Southern Charmcast, but they are older, maybe more mature in some ways. Probably not. But they're able to at least take accountability and be like, yeah, we were mad at Leva. We didn't know any of these kids. We didn't really want to cross it over to them. But now we're fine. Now we don't really care anymore.

and we understand that. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. That's good. But I do like that Brad's still like, yeah, fuck them. Yeah. Fuck, yeah, Brad. Yeah.

You don't owe them shit, Brad. No. But it was a very good showing from Soho. I believe they've been done filming for a couple of months. So when that's going to come out, I would imagine spring. I would say January, February. Oh, there's a lot coming out in January now, though. Maybe February.

Yeah, maybe February. I thought Southern Charms is January, February. Southern Charms definitely going to come. Well, Southern Charms now. Tuesday. So I would imagine there might be a bit of a crossover with Soho at some point. I think it'll leak into and then we'll get like, my vote for Soho would be late January, early February. There's going to be so many fucking shows on now.

What? Rhode Island. So Rhode Island is at some point, 2026 is what they're saying. Which we'll talk about Rhode Island a little bit later. Let's only talk about confirmed ones then. Yeah. Beverly Hills starts in a couple of weeks. VPR starts in a couple of weeks.

Southern Charm starts tomorrow. That's three. Potomac will still be running Tomic still running O.C. will be done. Salt Lake will still be running. That's five. And, well, there's obviously

below decks and stuff going on. There is something premiering January 8th that I can't remember. Oh, yeah. Fuck. Shaz. There you go. Shaz.

The Valley. Shaws, the sunset. That's January 8th. And then there's other shows that will start up. Like, Summer House is going to start up. So there's going to be like a lot of crossover. We're going to be busy.

We're going to be busy boys. It's fun. That's fine. Yeah, we'd much rather be busy then than not. The lulls, the lulls kill us. The lulls definitely kill us. But fun tidbits from the Soho cast, Joe introduced Maddie to Luam, which is fucking hilarious. That's hysterical.

It's one of my favorite sentences that I typed out. That's awesome. And the rest of them just seemed kind of in check, which is what you would expect. They didn't seem, I didn't hear any weird stories about any of them getting too drunk and causing a ruckus. You know, Maddie was doing her DJ thing. I think she opened from Meredith at like 8 o'clock in the morning on something. Saturday morning. I saw that. That's the other thing is I was so caught off guard on Friday.

I'm like, uh, yeah, so like Prabocon starts tonight. I know they had like some watch what happens live stuff last night. I'll watch that. Why is it say it starts at 115? That doesn't make a ton of sense. Why is Ashley Darby on my screen at 115? Isn't it like 10 a.m. over there? It was.

Yeah, it is. It started for East Coast times. So all of their panels started at like latest was 5.15 p.m. Wow. So they were done. That's nice. It is pretty nice, honestly. But yeah, so a lot of that was going on, but not a lot to say about them.

So they definitely kept some things in check. Which I like. You know, and I think that we're geared up for this should be the start of their prime. Right. They should be entering that phase where they're comfortable on camera. They've worked through a lot of menial bullshit. Yeah. You know, like all the little spats that go on too long, getting upset about things that maybe you should brush off.

they're seasoned vets now so we should be starting to see them hit I think there's probably a three season window where it's like this is peak I think we're entering that phase we're entering peak yeah oh that was the other thing

that came from that apparently our good friend Grace Lily they didn't have a whole lot to say about she's on a healing journey and she is not on the show G Lily that's okay she wasn't really no they were phasing her out last year yeah and her time's on the screen

it was not the same G-Lilly magic that I had previously fallen in love with, so that's all right. She, I could have called that. Yeah, yeah. She's still jet-sitting? Probably jet-setting. I imagine jet-setting. Or she jet-setter herself into some trouble, and she's figuring that out.

Who does? Who knows exactly what's going on there. But one thing I did forget before we get into Housewives territory, we didn't talk about Shep's Hot Mike. We got to talk in depth about Shep's Hot Mike. We did allude to it. He was talking to Brad at a bar. He was so dumb.

And people were sitting there with their phones out, just recording him. What Shep was saying was that the whole Craig and Page relationship was a sham, the whole breakup was a sham, and then he just starts going in on page, as if Craig wasn't to blame for any of it or half of it, you know, how relationships work, saying that the whole thing was a publicity stunt. She just used it to make millions and millions of dollars through Bravo and her podcast, and the one telltale sign is that she broke up with them and then announced it on her podcast. She announced it on her podcast a month later because Craig was taking pictures with chicks on vacation. Yeah. She gave him the grace period. And to say that she piggybacked off Craig is fucking hysterical. It doesn't make any sense.

If anything, Craig piggybacked off of her if we're going to play that game. Gigley Squad would be the juggernaut that it is today, regardless of Craig or Southern Charm. That's one of the stupider things he's said. And he said some stupid shit. Actually, it wasn't Craig saying. these things but this is what I expected I expected Shep to be saying these things I thought that we would have been done with this by now

though you should be done with this because they picked up cameras in what like May or June yeah it's like six months later just get over it yeah we're done with that yeah we're absolutely done with that but how do you feel about jumping into housewives let's dive in we got a lot of housewife shows to discuss so

which one you want to start with which big news do you want to go do you want to dip our toe in or you want to go big news let's let's sandwich some big news. Okay. First big news. Joyce. Joyzee has an update.

Who got back together? Who made up Theresa and Joe and Melissa? Let me, can I rephrase that? Sure. Who ran out of money? Yeah. That's, uh, I don't understand people that can see it from a different perspective. Like, yeah, there is a world in which you could get me to believe that they finally just let

bygones be bygones, but all of the information we're getting is so wild. Joe and Teresa met up at the mausoleum where their parents were buried so that they could bury the hatchet. And then they moved on to a point where now Melissa's very happy. Thankfully, Louis didn't get a ton of airtime, but he was there hugging and kissing people. The kids were there. It was all very nice to see in an exciting way because, look, if they can maintain it and it works and they're actually going to be friends, there are time.

in which Teresa and Melissa were great friends and it worked well. Oh, yeah. It worked really well because going up against the two of them didn't work out. So that could be a good time. I don't see somebody like Louis

getting involved in that making it super fun to be around. He's going to overdo it. Yeah. If I see one catalyst and one fall apart in all of this, it's going to be Louis.

I agree with that. Because I do think that Teresa, Joe, and Melissa can get a long fine. I don't think that if you throw Louie into that equation it works out. No,

because you go home. and Louis is in Teresa's ear putting things like oh your brother your brother is doing this he's going to be in Teresa's ear it's going to shift the whole thing

but what it does give me hope for I just need them to be able to film in the same room without jumping down each other's throat they don't even have to talk but as long as we can have scenes where they're both there they're both commenting on what we're talking about

even if it's not to each other just generally speaking and we can have different storylines going on that are not centered around those two hating each other. Yeah, that's a really good point. That's all we need. That's really all we need. And Jersey back on our screens,

I think we said it last week when we covered white flop. We miss it. It was kind of nice to watch. Yeah, we miss it. I don't miss the toxic fans, but I miss the show. No, God. And that's really all that matters. So if they can get back together,

I did see somebody point out that, I guess Marge did a Q&A at some point over the weekend. I don't think she was even there, but she did a Q&A anyway. We were supposed to host that party with her. Which party? She was launching her or launched. It was her mocktail line and something else.

And they had an event at BravoCon and we were supposed to host it with her. But we couldn't get out there this year. Huh. I don't remember that. It's a press pass and we'll be there. Yeah, right? Maybe next time. Anthony.

Tantalize us. Anthony texted me that. Oh, that was what it was. Oh, okay. well uh yeah so apparently marge was there and answered some questions and she's not too happy about this she doesn't think that it's real she doesn't like it and of course she doesn't like it don't fuck it up marge like don't be on the show like i think marge can be good for the show but if she's going to have this energy i don't want her on the show i agree like that is the least of

our worries is the validity of their reunion i don't care like and no one else should care we should just be happy until you make it yes and we can move on the day they are family so if you fake it for long enough maybe teresa and jo actually just start getting along maybe it works out well but we don't need to rehash that ever yeah and also while you're at it marge make yourself useful why don't you write a petition to the sitting president and ask for juicy joe to come back yeah serve this time let the man back of the country and then let him on the show let's see how that goes i mean with all the people they're pardoning he'd probably get pardoned. That's what I said like months ago, honestly. So it still hasn't happened. I'm pretty

upset about it. But either way, that's what we really want to happen. We want Jersey back on the screens. We just want it to be good. The fun thing from that was, I always got the vibe that Andy hated Jen Hayden. He said this weekend's that there is no New Jersey without Jen Aiden. She's a great quintessential housewife, which I kind of agree with. She is, yeah. But it's weird hearing Andy say that. I think, you know, it's the, it's the necessary. evil kind of deal. Like, I think he understands what we have in a Gen Aiden because lover or hater, and there's plenty of people that love her and hate her, she makes for some

great moments. She is very hard to predict, which is probably my favorite thing. You never really know what's going to happen with Jen. So, yeah, I agree. And I think that Andy, Andy might not like people, but Andy recognizes greatness. That's a really good point, yeah. Speaking of Andy recognizing greatness, Roney is. apparently finalized.

I know. The cast is finalized. Filming begins soon. Here's the funny thing. Last week, and we even reposted this, I think, on our story, there was a rumored cast that was a hybrid cast.

Dorinda, Sonia, Luann, Carol, and then Cy, Jessel, and Aaron. Those were the only three newbies that were on there, and then it was, you know, maybe added another person that we don't know. Fine, whatever.

The first night of Bravo con, Jeff Lewis and Andy sit down. Jeff asks and even says the pointed question, I saw something that said that you were going to go for a hybrid cast. Are you going to do that? Andy cut him off immediately and said no. Yeah, quick. I don't fucking believe him.

I don't believe Andy. Really? I think what's going on here, he gets so pissed off at Jeff. And Jeff said something a little bit later, which Jeff Lewis is funny, but you got to understand he's going to offend a lot of people. I thought that was fucking stupid when he said that.

Well, whatever. Yeah, but he's always going to have one of those comments in there that, like, sometimes it's, It's going to be incredibly funny, but very wrong. Sometimes it's very wrong, and it misses the mark. And it's like, okay, you didn't need to do that. No. Either way, when Jeff and Andy sit together, Jeff always knows what's going on,

and he'll ask Andy a question straight up, and Andy won't be able to answer. So he'll always turn it down. So I think that's what's going on here. Otherwise, why the fuck did they post today a video of Cy, Jessel, and Aaron walking out and dancing around to the theme of New York's music? Just the three of them. I feel like, me in particular, I feel like they're still in contract negotiations for some of them.

We saw Carol had her grand reunion on Watch What Happens Live a couple of weeks ago or months ago at this point. Dorinda's been on pause for fucking ever. Luann and Sonia have been floating around in different shows here and there. He did say there is good news coming on the OG New York front, but I don't think he's ready to announce this yet. And I think that Jeff caught him off gardening. I got pissed off about that. I can see that.

Yeah. I'll buy that. Because if it's not, then the alternative is we're going to do two ronies? That whole thing again? So that's the other thing is it could be by way of an ultimate girl's trip. They did announce that the next ultimate girl's trip is going to be OG Housewives on a road trip, going to different housewife cities. That tells me Sonia and Luann.

They'll probably be on it. I don't know. I don't even want to play that game. There's just too many things. And some things get set out there for like a smoke screen. especially like if something slipped and they're trying to cover it up they'll throw something like that out there i mean we still haven't seen that one ultimate girl's trip season just i know it's still in the vault like just get rid of whatever episode it was it was it was a brandy

they got involved in brandy and uh no it was um it was lea mcweeney i thought oh no brandy's yeah yeah yeah yeah got kicked out of the country for throwing shit or something correct and brandy and yeah yeah so just release that come on what are we it's time just release it because they signed waiver What do you want for me? The other part, we don't need more grower, bleh, banana.

We don't need more ultimate girl strips. You're starting to sound like me. No, like I can, they're entertaining. Yeah. For me. But it's not must CT.

We stopped watching the one Giselle was on because they kept fighting about that fucking tequila ball. Dude, that was a fucking nightmare. Yeah, and they did the,

the OG Rony Ultimate Girls trip, but they're just going to run that back on a road trip. Yeah, we did that at Bluestone Manor. I don't need, no.

back in a house place. No, not that one. The one where they went to the place in, I think they went to Mexico. That was the Giselle one. Was that Giselle? Yeah. I thought. No, there was Rony Legacy. This is what I'm talking about Rony legacy. Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sorry. Either way. They've already done this. So, I don't know. I don't know exactly what's going on there. Roney, of course, at least they picked, I think, even though I don't really care for Sye, they picked the right three from the new cast. I agree. Because Aaron, I feel like, can just kind

a mesh and mold with whoever. I think Jessel was the only one who had, like, real promise. She had real star potential. Yeah, and they dropped all the duds because all the other people on the cast were just complete duds, and they missed the mark on that casting. So we'll have to see what happens there. I would imagine some sort of announcement should be coming in the next couple of weeks. I would think, I think it's time to.

And, like, that's the other thing with Jersey and New York. If you're going to bring it back ever, like, you've got to do it now. Like, we're just, it's getting stupid at this point. like just roll out what you got yeah i agree with you um now we'll move on to rhode island new show rory roary that's going to be very fun to say these women look rich and boy am i happy like fuck it rich like real rich like we're going to have vacation homes that are twice the size of their home homes we're going to have jets we're going to have fancy ass dinners and places that we can't get into we're going to have wealth again i got the vibe that it was as if

people from New Jersey. It's almost like the cast of Real Housewives in New Jersey had children who then got Uber rich and moved to Providence, Rhode Island. Because they all still have I can't quite put my thumb on it, but they all have that weird Italian feel. Yeah. That New Jersey Italian feel. I love it.

I don't think it's Dolores doing that as the segue. I think it's just them. Which is good. And that excites me. Well, because that makes me feel comfortable because that's like where we live. Yeah. Yeah. So that's going to premiere at some point early 2026 is what we're hearing. Yeah. It'll have a real date on that yet, but I'm sure they'll probably just wait until Salt

Lake's over somewhere around there. I feel like they, for a lot of their shows, just pick a date like a week before. They're like, uh, drop it now. Yeah. Some of them they plan, but a lot of them, like, because they pop up out of nowhere. We're both like, fuck, Southern Charlott's Wednesday. Rhode Island's been on like the cusp of coming out for a year and a half now. Yeah, I know.

So like, they should have something plans, but you might be right. They might just drop that when they have a little bit of free time. Let's not forget, which we always do forget. Around the holidays, it gets weird. Last year, we had 10 straight days without new provo shows. Yeah, remember that? That was so bad. That was tough.

Oh, that sucked. Thankfully, we had enough because I, at least, I went to Europe for 10 days. So when I came back, and we only recorded once, I think, while I was gone. Yeah, we had actually like a nice little breather there. Yeah, yeah. Well, we might need another breather this year. But, yeah, so Rhode Island looks very exciting. I'm stoked for Rhode Island.

I just, I like new franchises, whether they work or not. I think it's good that we're trying things. I think Rhode Island makes a lot of sense because of the wealth there. So, like, I'm excited to see. Graphically, yeah, it definitely makes up. You know, so I think that things look pretty good for Rhode Island. I love a good segue. I love a Dolo Segway that makes me feel happy as well.

So, yeah, I'm happy for that, or happy for that one, Jesus is Beno. But I'm excited for Rory, and I'm excited to say Rory. You are definitely excited to say Rory. And I've got one tidbit for Miami, nothing crazy. for Miami. They did just finish their season, so I didn't expect a lot from them. Adriana might have to go. Why? She might have to go. She's still doing

the Haitian mortician coffee. I know. It felt so flat. She did not realize that no one cared. By the way, for those of you listening at home, all she did was I know who the Haitian mortician is by the way and then just ran around

stage in a circle until she showed somebody her phone and it was just pictures of Fadra. Yeah. So that didn't land. And when that didn't land, she ran backstage and grabbed a coffee maker and said, here's your coffee maker. Yeah, she was, she was swinging and missing a lot. And yeah, I mean, we've gone back and forth on the Adriana front so many times. But it just, it's, I think I'm finally done. I think she is panicking. I think she realizes, oh, fuck, it might be the end. And now she's trying to save her job via Haitian mortician and coffee maker, which is never a good place to

No, no, never a good place to be for her or Julia, honestly. So, I don't know. I imagine cast announcements will probably come out at some point for that in the next couple of weeks, like pre-Christmas. And I'm still on the team of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have no issue with her coming back, but I could see that if they're going to make any moves. I wouldn't miss her if she was gone. Maybe bump her to friend of. She is already a friend of.

Right? Totally. I think a lot of it hinges Or a friend to friend. Acquaintance, if that's a ranking. But I think it hinges also on Dr. Nicole. Oh, that's for sure. If she comes back full time, I could see

there just not being enough time for Adriana to be on the show. Yeah, that's a good point. So we'll keep our eater of the ground for that one. I'm just deciding. Where do you want to go next? We've got, I'll give you the option. Salt Lake City, Beverly Hills,

O.C. Potomac. Let's do O.C. so I can stop talking about it. Well, I'm excited. I mean, I know. Vicky's coming back. Not only is Vicky back, which is massive. Everybody's been looking forward to it.

My girlfriend's been telling me for six months now that if Vicky doesn't come back, she's never watching it again. So I think that's good. I think that's a good idea. We kind of posited that theory that if they bring Vicky back or they're just kind of limping along

until they get to the point where they can get Vicky back, the thing I'm excited about the most is not only is Vicky coming back, back, there's still more news that we haven't heard yet. Because apparently there's going to be a cash shakeup. I hope that shakeup is just dropping

people. Don't, like, add a couple of, they don't have any friend doves on the show, a couple of friend ofs, get rid of the dead weight. I'm not going to say who specifically, but you all know who I'm talking about. Gina and Emily. Yeah. They can go. They can go. They can go. They serve no purpose.

It's also important to note that Katie gets along with Vicky, and I think her and Tamara, they took a lot of pictures together and stuff, so they get along. If the three of them get along, Shannon's also going to, like, merge herself. She'll get over there, too, at some point, even though she's anti-Tamara at the moment. She will probably crawl over there at some point to that team, but regardless of what Shannon does or does not do, there you go.

You've got friends for Katie, so Katie can have another try, which we both, both agree she should. Again, we don't know if she's good. We haven't had the chance to see it yet. leaning towards bad, but don't know if she's good. We don't know. We may never know. But yeah, they were, I feel like the Vicky announcement was like the biggest announcement of the weekend.

That was the one that kind of captivated everybody. It is, but it's not. Because, like, we knew it. We knew it was coming, but it's still, I'm still happy that they made the announcement. It feels bigger than it actually was. But I agree with you. The way that Katie's moving, it seems like she's friends with everybody. If you drop Gina and Emily, if you keep her, I don't, keep them, I don't care,

because then at least maybe they'll get roasted, although every time that I say that, it doesn't happen. So just get rid of them. Yeah. Honestly, just get rid of them. But that was the only news, and that was really all you needed from OC. We didn't need anything else from OC.

I don't want to hear anything else from OC. No, I don't either. I'm good on them. That's just, while we're doing the negative shows, let's do Beverly Hills. I've never been less excited for a season of Housewives than this season of Beverly Hills. It looks bad, man.

It looks terrible. It looks really bad. what I was talking about earlier. The newbies aren't there. I think Rachel was there, but the other newbies who we didn't even fucking know about, Amanda and God only knows, weren't there. And all we hear

is the most dumb bullshit. First off, the weekend started off with Eric is saying, if she could choose one housewife from the franchise to never come back, she would choose Garcel. She got booed into oblivion. As she should. As she should, because that's a dumb move. And that already tells me that you guys are wrong right away.

Sutton sat there and said it's kind of a blessing that Garcell's gone because it allowed me to get closer to the other women. They don't like you. What are we doing here? I don't know. De Reet, I don't know. I'm very cautiously optimistic about Derrete because from what I hear, Kyle's not happy with her. Kyle said we take three steps forward, four steps back every time.

Derreet's just kind of standing on business. She really, really leaned into the cigarette thing, which I was happy about. She lit up on stage. She lit up on stage when she won. It was, I had written down his most iconic moment. but I think it was iconic prop or something like that or iconic... We love prop work. Yeah, prop work.

It was up against the fucking unicorn that Brittany brought to Salt Lake City. I think Sig takes it. Sig takes it for sure. I use that picture 15 times in a row. But not only that, she also had a fan come up and ask if you would have a cigarette with me in the back alley. And she said, absolutely, I will. So that rocks. Okay.

I like that. That's good for Dorit. It does look like, and a lot of people pointed out that her confessional look makes her look like she has less money. So she might be poor now. Money may run out. Ah, P.K. Yeah. Yeah.

So, otherwise, I just really don't care about anything else going on in the show. There's nothing to get excited about. Well, they didn't do anything to make us excited at BravoCon either. Because there's nothing to get excited about. I know. They just continued to do the same shit that they've always done. You saw the trailer. Yeah.

It's copy and paste of the last three years. Yeah. Kyle doesn't want to talk about her sexuality. Sutton doesn't really... Oh, no, that's the one thing that we get is she admits that she's bisexual. Yeah, but then she also put out, like, right away after that trailer aired that she doesn't really want to talk about.

Oh, I didn't see that. That's... So, like, oh, the other thing, this is actually kind of interesting. While at BravoCon, Kathy and Sutton's houses were broken into. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, so that sucks. Yeah, that's interesting at least. That is interesting.

I wouldn't break in... What kind of fucking thieves are out there, like, I know BravoCon this weekend? Smart ones, apparently. It's a smart one, yeah. Smart ones. Not Derreets robbers. Yeah. That's kind of funny.

But yeah, I really am not excited at all. The trailer, the panels that they were on, all the interviews they gave, I might be in a world where the only person on this whole cast that I like is to read, and that is a problem. That is a very strange place to be. I don't know, dude. I have no hopes. I've been beaten to the ground by this show for three years.

It used to be one of my favorites. Yeah. I don't see. It used to be Kyle Stan. I know. Remember that? How quickly that. What a time.

Back in the day. Yep. No, I'm not excited for it. But I think the amount of other shows that have me excited, I'm not taking it as hard. Yeah. The problem is it because it's Beverly Hills, they're going to push it so hard.

And there's going to be a lot of episodes. And there's going to be a lot going on. Everybody's going to be watching it because it's still Beverly Hills. So we're going to have to endure. Just give us, like, I'm not going to be greedy. Give me like four or five really good episodes. The rest can be shit. Honestly, I'd be okay with, if you give me four.

Four really good episodes, not just, like, okay. You mix in a couple of okay ones in there, but, like, I'd be fine if four really good episodes hit, and the rest was just garbage. Same. And spread them out. Yeah, we're not asking for a lot. No. No. So, I don't know.

Beverly Hills comes out two weeks. We're really excited about it, guys. You guys should be excited about it, too. Just get them going. Let's pop into Potomac real quick. It's an ongoing show. Anytime there's an ongoing show during Bravocom. We don't get a whole lot.

Mm-mm. But we did get the Grand Dame. The Grand Dame appears to come back, like mid-season trailer. So, yeah, mid-season trailer shows Andy and Karen sitting down. And he says, so you're a free woman now. What do you want to talk about? And she goes, I'm ready to talk about my addiction. Which I love.

Which I love. Yeah. So lead into it. Talk about it. Be open about things. I've never seen Andy in a mid-season trailer sitting down with a housewife. I imagine that won't come until the last episode. Probably not.

They're still going to drum up interest and it's already a good season. I'm not concerned about it at all. But she made her grand return. Her grand return. The big stage, people were tracking her fucking movements. They had her at the airport in Maryland. They had her, or Virginia. They had her at the airport in Vegas, walking into the hotel.

We knew she was coming. It was the worst best kept secret ever because we were excited about it. Yep. And then when she showed up on stage, she got a standing ovation. Yes, she should. She's the grand dom. And look. Wait a minute.

I'm going to explain. That's not what I thought you were going to say. I'm going to explain it. I got you. Ready? My biggest thing was, I mean, I still believe that we shouldn't be rewarding people that do shitty things. But she went somewhere. And this all hinges on how she has processed everything and addresses everything.

And then I can take my excitement away. But the fact that she acknowledges the addiction with Andy, because that was my, biggest hang up with her was like, I mean, obviously the four DUIs, but as far as addressing this stuff, she kept making it seem like she didn't have a problem. And that was upsetting. I was bummed out because it's like you're not addressing the root of the thing. You're trying to act like this is not an issue, whatever. Showing that she has said it, that I want to talk about my addiction, acknowledging the addiction, that tells me that she's either on the road to healing. she's currently healing she went somewhere prison and actually worked on herself right so i do believe

if you serve your time you should be able to come out and live a life i don't think that it should hang over you for the rest of your life you you did your your time in the clink if you will you should be able to move on with your life so i'm not going to shit on her and it all came from her saying i'm ready to talk about my addiction yeah all you needed was that one sentence. I really did. Like, that acknowledgment. That's what you always said. That's it.

You always said, just take some accountability and I'll try to be on your side. Yep. And she's doing it, it seems. So she gets a standing ovation. It was sort of like, what's the independent film festival where they give like 20 minutes ovations? Yeah, I think it was con. It was one of those situations.

Just people out there cheering the whole time. What do you do for 10 minutes cheering? I don't know. I always, I stopped clapping. I would stop clapping, right? Sit down? Do you sit down? I don't sit, but I'll stop clapping.

Yeah. You start looking around. And then when it starts to slow down, I'll do it like. Yeah, so you can finish with everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good way to do it. But yeah, so between that and Wendy obviously can't really talk about a lot of things going on, but Wendy and Eddie were both present.

They were hanging out. They seemed in cheerful moods. They seemed great. It seems like Ashley probably, I mean, we did see Ashley said a couple of things on Instagram and I guess at, like, one of her shows. She did a cabaret show or something like that. She was talking about Wendy. Wendy is not forgiven her, which nor should she.

They did that on stage. Yeah. Yeah, she tried to bring it up and when he's pretty much like, don't fuck yourself. Yep, which I appreciate it. Get her activated. All she just needed was a couple charges. Just catch a charge and shoot, but that's the thing, dude. She's having a great season this season.

She is, yeah, and she's doing really well currently. Like the rumors or rather not rumors, but confirmation. Allegations. She goes from her plea trial to going to the after show and just smiling and joking about a lot of things is very funny to me. Won me over. Yeah, definitely won me over. Again, it's insurance, so I don't really care.

Yeah. Now let's finish it up with the stars of Bravo, the best show on TV. Something that Andy said this week's episode is the best episode of Housewives he's ever seen, which I am really hoping that's not a hyperbole, but it very well could be, and I'm still fine with it. Salt Lake. Salt Lake. These women were fucking everywhere.

all weekend. Everybody loves them so much. They should be. I know. They are just in a league of their own. Andy said it's lightning in a bottle. It's his favorite franchise currently. And what's there to not like about this show? I don't know. Even if you don't like one of the characters.

It's also just so good too because, again, their show is on right now. They don't have to do a whole lot. They're just doing it. Because that's what sets them apart, I think. Yeah. They am not that I think every house, embraces it, but they do it in such a way where it just pulls you in. It's infectious.

And I think the overlying difference of Salt Lake compared to any other franchise out there, these women, whether they're friends at the time or not, genuinely care about what the other women think of them and genuinely have friendships with these other women. On other franchises, you don't get that same level of give a shit. These ladies give a shit. These ladies definitely give a shit. It can also show you how much can change in a year. BravoConn last year, everybody wanted pictures with Lisa Barlow.

This year, she asks to the audience, who do you think it was that was selling information to the press? Everybody screamed you and pointed at her. Yeah. Then later, I think on a different panel, Heather had said something to the same tune, and everybody was chanting Lisa. So she went from a fan favorite to, hey, take some accountability. She plummeted quick. Yeah. It also, by the way, which some people might not realize this,

the fact that she's a BravoCon asking the audience who they think was doing the information tells me that the rest of the season is exactly what I thought it was going to be with her taking no accountability to those things. So that'll be very interesting to watch. But they're just so delightful. Everybody loves Mary. Mary was getting choked up because when she came on stage,

she got a huge ovation. She was in tears. She was in a fucking shopping cart at one point. She was pushing somebody in a shopping cart. I think it was Shemia. I'm not really sure actually who it was now that I'm remembering. But it was, she was all over the place. Mary Cosby was in it.

Here's what scares me. Oh, boy. Not that I'm not excited about it. Because I've been asking for this for five years now. TLC is making a documentary about Mary and her church. Oh, yeah. I need her to not be taking people's money, okay, via donations or whatever, any of that slimy shit.

like if it's the church bull isn't that all churches don't get me on that rant it's not I don't have enough time but if it's just the church bowl that they're handing around people throwing in 20s or whatever the fuck okay fine I'm talking about like donation big ass donations where it's like okay I don't love that

I need her to not do any like crimes against humanity and it just be like really wacky religious shit yeah so that she's not a bad person so I think that the TLC or is it DLC or E. I thought it was on E, but whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm like 99% sure it's DLC, but...

So, I don't think that that's really going to do a whole lot. I think that's for other people who don't know Mary Cosby like we do. Okay. I think it's for, here's a really wacky situation, and then it's, you know, 80% of the shit that we already know from watching Salt Lake and knowing Mary, and then they fill in the cracks with a couple other things, which you can probably accredit to most churches in the world. Okay. I don't think it's going to be damning. I hope not. I don't think it's going to be damning. I hope not, but at the same time, if you need to make it damning,

then do what you've got to do. It'll be closer to gotcha journalism than it will be to maybe some charges can come from this. It would just be such a fall from grace, no pun intended. Yeah. Because she is flying high right now. Mary Cosby is a fan of a thing. I'll make a declaration right now. Mary Cosby needs us more than ever right now.

And if that documentary comes out, which we'll cover. Oh, we'll definitely cover that. That'll be a fantastic because it comes out on New York. year's day. Oh, boy. I'm going to be so happy just hanging out, eating leftovers, watching Mary Cosby's church. Hopefully it's snowing. Oh, boy. And that sound nice. I guess what I was going to do, but I didn't have time. What? Because then Yoki. What? I was going to have our first fire back here. Oh, that's okay. It's not that cold back here. No, no, it's actually better than I thought it would be, but it's almost fire in the stew season. It sure is. But, uh, yeah, I mean,

that was, look, it's a lot. BravoCon's a long weekend. I don't understand. and I'm going to thank all of the the podcasters and influencers and everybody else who was just putting stuff up there. Yeah, you guys did a great job. You made it seem, obviously Peacock did a great job of having all the panels. You can still watch all the panels,

so go ahead, watch all the stuff that you missed. And it doesn't look like a Little League live stream anymore. No, no. Years ago, it was, I mean... Oh, man, that was brutal. Terror. It looked like dial-up internet. Yeah.

So... So it's much better now. Hopefully next year we're there. I don't know. It's a press pass, dude. Yeah. Come on, dude. Yeah, dude. I don't know who we're talking to.

I do. But yeah, good roundup. Yep, yep. So it sounded like a blast. I am bummed that we weren't able to make it, but hopefully all of you that were able to make it, you had an awesome weekend, got to see who you wanted to see, hear what you wanted to hear. And hopefully you left Vegas up, you know? Probably not.

Bricked? Yeah, bricked up. No, moneyed up. Hopefully you left with a big old stack of chip. Well, if you're like us, then you might have actually left with chips. Oh, yeah. You can't exchange those into any other casinos. You have to go back.

You have to go back. Which I can't think of a worst fucking place to have to be like, ah, shit, I've got $1,000 for the chips. I got to go back. To Vegas. To Vegas. I much rather go back to D.C. Yeah, ours are in D.C.

I can't imagine coming back from a weekend of Vegas and be like, shit. Oh, no, I have to go back to Vegas. No, no. Maybe it's time for another show in D.C. Maybe it is. I don't know where there's chips. Sorry, I was using them as paper weights. Nah, I think I've got 50 in my bedside table.

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, so there's my first bet. Hell yeah, brother. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Bro's got to go.

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