Bros & Shows - Lisa Barlow and Angie K. Have it OUT (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

What's up Bros? What an episode. A masterclass. We stay in one setting for the entirety of the episode, and things finally boil over for Lisa and Angie. They go back and forth for 45 minutes while the other ladies get their tarot card readings. Other ladies in the group attempt to mediate or to calm things down but to no avail. Mary catches a stray and it seems her friendship with Angie is on the rocks because of it. Will Angie and LB find a way forward? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well done, Rosslich. I can't remember the last time a housewife episode took place in one setting, the entire episode, in one setting. It's incredible. I've never seen it. I don't remember seeing it, at least not for, you know, a mid-season. What is this? Episode five, it's just incredible. Whether they're able to do this and keep us enthralled the entire time, Bravo.

Shows, Bros and Shows, I got to have me my Brows and Shows, Bros and Shows, Bros. and Shows, I got to have me, my Bros. and Shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Ross Lick Magoutts. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. I had a weird thought

And I don't like it Like a personal thought or just about the show? No, I mean, I do tend to share my personal thoughts on here. That's, you know, whatever. People have to deal with it. If you're going to choose to tune in and listen to us, you've got to deal with our personal thoughts, too. It's like therapy.

No. So did you see the U.S. Weekly? The cover art where they have. Is it U.S. Weekly or Us Weekly? Oh, dude, everybody calls it Us Weekly. I always thought it was U.S. because it is double capital U.S. Yeah, but there's no periods in there.

And weekly is all capitalized too. Well, how about that? It doesn't take away from my point. So the Us Weekly article, or rather the entire edition this week, was all about Salt Lake City. And they had multiple pictures and photo ops. They even had a little tie-in where it was drawing a parallel between the housewives of Salt Lake City. And it was just a picture of the OGs, which was awesome. And it goes right back and draws comparisons to Desperate Housewives, which was a huge

article back in the day when that came out. I think it was probably like 05. They had a whole photo op and they did it in the same theme. Loved it. Love every second of it. I love that they're getting so much attention right now. Here's my thought. Oh, boy.

Are we at the pinnacle of Salt Lake City and it's all downhill from here? Like are they built to bust right now? And we're going to be like, wow, we were in the heyday. We didn't know how good we had it. And this episode, too, was so good and perfect television that I'm wondering if this is like, we've reached the climax and we're never going to get back to it. Look, it's not even pessimistic. It was just a weird thought, a little intrusive thought for you.

I will, I'll take that and spin it. All right, let me do a little spin cycle for you. Spin me out of this. I don't like it. So you might be right. Okay, but there's a different way to look at it. There's that saying you don't know it's the good old days until they're going to on you know you look back so by recognizing that maybe it's going to get so we just need to soak

in this season because maybe it is downhill from here but if it is now we're aware so now we can watch this season through a different lens of let's make sure we enjoy this because we may never get this level of houseway free from these ladies again i think that's a really good way to look at it too because how often do we watch these shows and they're incredible seasons and then the next season just doesn't hit quite as hard and we didn't realize how good we had it and we just keep going back and forth like wow do you remember how good it was last year we didn't have these problems last year we do that all the time if we can just just revel in it just enjoy it like the sun's on our face for the first time in spring which is a big theme too because this is uh yeah

the sun is actually on my face too it's right over here look at this natural lighting get that you can't get that anywhere you can only get that in salt lake city and steals back room yeah let's let's just revel in it let's just really enjoy ourselves how about that i think that's the way we need to look at it and you know time will tell that's not or we're just gearing up for this to be a powerhouse for the next few years which would also be awesome but i'm good with a couple years of uh because you can't expect it to be consistent for years i mean there are people that i can't go to on this cast that just won't be able to bring it but it's almost like everything's falling perfectly into place with this cast right now

and I don't know how to feel about it except for excitement that's all you need do you want to know what my other thought was watching this episode what that's to do with you oh I didn't cry if that's what you're asking no no of course you didn't cry

that would have been wild I'm actually surprised that Angie even cried during all this that was wild how was it taking notes during this episode oh my God a fucking nightmare dude it was awful it this might have been my like that was the problem because the episode was so good but taking notes because the quick cuts to the i figured out how to do it don't worry i always do cuts to terrence and then back it's like well wait just do hers do her reading and then let's go back so i can write it down instead i have like this jarbled mess of shit that i figured out how to label so i know where i'm going but yeah that was uh it was a toughy i felt really bad too and i even started like in my mind breaking it down how you could potentially do it so that I could text you, but I think we were watching probably around the same

time. So that also didn't really help. I don't know. It's almost like, do we just cast off and just have like one-off comments about Terrence sitting down with them? It was a masterpiece. It was an absolute masterpiece. The fact that we got one person taken away sitting with Terrence, then going back to the shitstorm, and it was a completely different conversation, but it was the same conversation. Again, I feel really bad for you taking notes. I have a hard time even keeping things straight in my head. I have no idea, chronologically speaking, what happened. It just seemed to be a whole mess. It was like, you know what it was? It was a cartoon fight. You know how there's a cartoon fight? There's just like a cloud of dust and there's just like fists and shit going everywhere.

And if that cloud of dust comes near you, you get drawn into it and you pop up at a different place like a tornado. That's what this was. That is the best way to describe what happened here. I agree. Let's just start and we'll peel off for the individual readings and see how it goes if we have to adjust live then we'll do it fuck it we'll do it live we'll do it live fucking thing sucks i saw that clip today it made me very happy i've seen in a very long time yeah bill o'reilly freaking out it's good sure yeah anyway we start out with a song or a poe a limerick i'm not sure what you would label whitney's intro old timey like old timey mormon or something and not even old timey mormon it struck me as what you might find in like a

A moonshine. Yeah, but like a moonshine tavern at night. There's like one person sitting up there kind of drunk just kind of rambling off. But then sing-songy tune, that's kind of what I got from this. I can mess with that. So she sings this song about this party that she's having and what she hopes it to be. And she also can't pronounce bouquet, bouquet. Bookay.

And she sends in nice to all the names. Yeah, it's a, you know, it's fun, fun stuff from Whitney there. And she's having this big party at, I don't even know if we got the name of the place. It's a vineyard. And the way that they describe Utah wine, I don't think it's good. Even the sentence Utah wine just sounds, right? Not appealing. I don't know why.

Sounds dry and gritty. I don't want to say it sounds like prison toilet bowl wine, but I don't know. My head went right there. So that's not a good sign. If immediately when you say Utah wine, I go to prison in a toilet bowl. So, yeah, that's a good picture to paint. Well, when you have this many wealthy ladies sitting together and none of them know that there's wine in Utah, that's probably a good indicator that not great. I bet me that Lisa's going to start a vineyard now, though, after doing this, like, oh, Utah wine.

She could be a farmer. She could definitely see herself as a farmer. Yeah, right. We'll get there. Anyway, we start off with a little bit of a foreshadowing because Mary walks in. And she's like, I don't know why we're here. There's bad juju in this place. The former owner killed his wife and then killed himself and did it in front of the dog.

And now the dog is messed up because of this. We didn't corroborate this. Yeah. But I assume it's true. I want it to be true only because it adds to the scene. I don't, you know, I feel I don't want murder to be true. You know what I'm saying. Yeah.

No, when Mary speaks, especially when it's a very obscure odd things that have happened in certain places, I listen. It's sort of like Adriana going through like ruins or, you know, historical places when they're on a trip in Miami. Yeah, I listen and I just assume that it's true. And that's good enough for me. Well, everybody arrives here in some pretty great outfits. Meredith's outfit was bizarre. She must have picked that up on the DJ circuit. It's a very DJ outfit, in my opinion.

But she hasn't talked to Lisa since she talked to Angie. And if we remember, Angie told her, hey. Lisa tried to get me to dig up some dirt on you when you guys were cool back in the day. So just wanted to let you know. So she still hasn't squashed that or brought it up to Lisa. So that's more foreshadowed. That's what's a great indicator of a good episode is we're setting up a lot of things for later. I didn't know we were going to spend it all in one place, which is even better.

That shows you the amount of content that these ladies have. So good for them. But we're at the table. Whitney gives actually a very nice toast, I thought. As far as Whitneyisms go, I was like, okay, you know what? I actually see what you're saying here. And I actually somewhat agree, you kind of lost your sparkle a little bit. I think that Whitney and this kind of goes hand in hand with her speech.

I think that she needs to get back to doing what she does. I use the term well loosely, but I think she does need to get back to who she was in the first couple seasons. Who she's been with starting shit and getting involved and seemingly wanting to go toe to toe to with Lisa Barlow. That's not who Whitney is and that's not what made Whitney a good corner piece, I guess, for this cast. Yeah, no, centerpiece.

was wild. What am I doing? But that's what made her a good corner piece of this cast. That's why she was a good OG and that's why she's hung around is because she's aloof and goofy and can have these little quips here and there that make you wonder if she actually is smart. That's the best that Whitney can be. And I thought that when she's doing this speech, even though it's kind of funny that she's looking down at her phone, like you really needed to look down at your phone. It seems like it was a speech from the heart, but you have to look down at your phone every once in a while. It went over well. It went over well. It was fine. I think I'm just a little hard on Whitney, but that's who she needs to be.

And I think that's what she has to be for this show to do really well, because the last couple of seasons, when she would get involved, we would just kind of, eh, eh, get out of here. This doesn't involve you. I don't want it to involve you. But when she would weigh the argument, she jumps in and then we're on a totally different tangent, which works sometimes, but most of the time it doesn't work. And it just distracts us from what we wanted to get into between two heavy hitters. Whitney getting involved is like, all right, why are we?

doing this? How did we get here? There's an odd segue, but now two people don't like Whitney because she's involved. I think, honestly, maybe Brittany being there is pushing Whitney further into the mess and trying to get involved in like more of a chaotic nature, whereas I think both Whitney and Heather are best on the outside looking in and just kind of adding to it. And I feel like they've both lost it in the last couple of years. So if we can get back to that, that's great. Heather's been doing a good job in staying in her lane. She's been delightful with the quips, with the confessionals. She is able to contribute to this scene without diving into the middle of it,

which is good because she also is our voice of reason. When she is playing her role correctly, she's usually very level-headed. It's when she gets mixed up in it, she starts to have weird takes and takes weird sides. And then we're like, eh, we don't like this. So she's like perfectly in her own spot right now. Whitney is somewhat following suit, which is a relief. and I can tell you exactly where it shifted. And obviously you can point to Justin getting fired.

She says like that whole thing. She tried to change who she was and all of that, which is sad. And I do see it. Like that was the crazy thing about her speech. It's like actually for the first time, you're flowing and I'm buying it. Like that was good shit.

But the moment that it happened was that trip to Arizona when Jen Shaw was still in the show and everybody was in lingerie and we were talking about the jazz tickets. Remember that? Yeah. When her and Heather, butt heads in that scene from then on there was a shift in her what she offered to the group then she was getting involved more she was trying to force issues more it took on a different air where

it's like you're great when you are wild and free Whitney like just fucking wildcard that's when you're fun that's when we like you and you say some weird shit when you try to chime in it doesn't always land and then it's kind of funny when you get super serious and you try to get involved in all this shit. As we said already, one, it waylays from the actual point of what we're trying to get to. And two, it just doesn't fit. And I think this acknowledgement of a change in character needing to get back to who she is, I think that's like a metaphor not only for her personally, but also who she is to this show. And I think that's what we're seeing across the board with everybody. Everyone's kind of playing the role the right way. We have Lisa and Angie budding heads for

hbic even though we don't see either of them really as hbic i see this as an ensemble cast but we i love that we have two of the heavier hitters and they're going back and forth the whole time that's great for them we have bronwyn on this road to rediscovery of who she is and kind of settling in really nicely not fighting and not jumping at the bait with everybody that's perfect brittany absolute martian great keep it up please everyone's doing their job mary's showing up to work every single day. She's trying to get people to calm down. She's pulling people aside. We're having one-on-ones with Mary Cosby that Mary Cosby initiated. What the hell's going on? This is fucking peak television, sir. So to go all the way back to the beginning, and then we'll get back in,

revel it at people. This is rare. This is rare. And it's honestly, it's very interesting too, because you and I can sit here. This was a very chaotic at surface level. It was a very chaotic episode. It was a lot of yelling. There was a lot of screaming. You may have missed a lot of things if you didn't have subtitles on, which is why we watch with subtitles half the time. And I do feel like, like you said, the undertone of this episode when you're really looking for it is everybody's playing their part perfectly. Everybody's doing exactly what is in their wheelhouse, which is what we want. When people just start popping out, sure, I'm not going to stop you from popping out and getting involved in the mix, but watching Whitney try to be Lisa, watching Meredith try to get into the mix whenever she just kind of wakes up from what the hell is going on. It never really lands. It's okay every once in a while and maybe it stirs up some craziness that will actually be a good entertaining episode. But you can't do it all the time. This is what it has to be. And further that, Angie, as I said last week, needs this. Angie needs to get knocked down a little bit because she hasn't really faced adversity in the last couple of seasons. Yeah, she had the rumor

of Sean being in a circle jerk last year, which was fucking hilarious. But it wasn't really her trying to go toe-to-to-toe with elisa it wasn't her trying to bring meredith into the mix it wasn't her trying to pull any strings she's trying to do that now and i need her to really realize oh fuck i have to bring it if i'm going to be able to handle this and i think this episode was a little bit of a wake-up call maybe hey i can't really handle this and obviously lisa has been going through it for years we talked about how she's just maybe a little bit exhausted from dealing with this and i think she kind of came back and do her own a little bit in this episode which was good for us too. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot

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World renowned Terrence, spiritual consultant, initially, like this guy's full of shit, right? Yeah, I don't know, bro. This is the most convinced. We've had, I, if we should have kept a fucking chalkboard behind in the studio of every spiritual shaman consultant, psychic that we've ever seen and give them a grade. As far as housewife mediums go, I was slightly impressed. I was slightly impressed by the end. It started off very much, and obviously it's with Brittany, but it started off very much.

I watched last season, I know what you're going through, and Whitney fed me a couple of details so that I can kind of steer it in the right direction. That's where it started off. That's exactly where I figured it would start off by the end of it. I was thoroughly impressed. And yeah, maybe there was a couple of coincidences that broke his, way immediately, specifically with the horse. But I thought of it all, it was pretty, what?

Is that a coincidence? I don't know. That's spooky that he said horse injury and then we have a horse with a broken leg. Maybe. I don't know. It's enough to make you firm disbeliever to say, I don't know, that's good enough. No. Yeah, I guess I don't know.

Yeah, it was a very condescending, I don't know. But that being said, I was still thoroughly enjoying what he was. braid at the table versus, you know, the fucking sound baths as we got back in Potomac, those types of people can't do them anymore. Well, I do put sound bath people above life coaches, so that's pretty cool. Yeah, good for them. The thing that he did better was the casual nonchalantness of how he was saying. I was like, this is very believable.

You're not doing like the mystic voice. You're just like, oh, man, someone's struggling your family, huh? It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. but we'll get to back to Terrence a little bit. Everybody's not somebody struggling in their family. Yeah, I know. It's a, it's a broad statement, but still, when you say it the way he said it, I'm like,

how did you know that, dude? How'd you know that, man? But Mary doesn't eat anything raw for the most merry reason ever. I'm not going to eat raw salmon. Now, mind you, raw salmon is filleted off of the fish, sliced into very thin pieces,

sometimes served with soy sauce or something else. It's a piece of meat. But in her brain, that meat may very well lay eggs in your belly and form a salmon family that will never leave your body. They are immune to digestion. And they will live forever in your tummy. And I think she believes it. I think she believes it to it.

She went off the rails pretty quickly. Now, maybe she thinks that that meat because it's raw has some sort of parasite in there that's going to lay eggs. Oh, no. She didn't really say that. She said salmon eggs. Yeah, she did say salmon eggs. She said salmon. I don't know what. I don't know what happens, but as soon as they brought out the tar tar and they kind of went around the table talking about it, I knew immediately. I knew immediately. Mary doesn't eat tar tar. Mary doesn't need anything raw because she's got something weird going on there. I don't know what it is. But I knew it immediately. And she didn't even have to explain it. I expected to hear what she said. No, it's like that Rugrats episode when Chuckie eats a watermelon and the seed gets fucking funny. I think about that all the fucking time. I just thought about that actually because I was cutting up bagels and one of the bagels I was going to put it in there.

And I'm like, well, if a poppy seed goes into my throat, I might die because something's going to grow. I think about it every day. Yeah, that's Rugrats. Rugrats put that in my brain. And you know what furthered it was Magic School Bus. They furthered it more. Would that be considered? Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but, you know.

Indoctrination. Level with me. Would that be considered a piece of childhood trauma maybe? You could argue because it still affects me. It's still, when I eat a watermelon and I feel a seed and I'm like, I gulp it. I'm like, oh, fuck. What if? Yeah. What if?

You know? Yeah. And you could blame Chuckie for that. Chuckie like turns greed and started turning into a watermelon. Yeah, he went for Rooka salt with it, you know, and she eats the blueberry and turns into a blueberry. Probably more like it would have exploded, you know. That's what I was concerned about. I will say this about Rugrats.

a lot of the clips come on my Instagram algorithm because I thought like 90s accounts and stuff there's some deep shit in that when Chuckie's dad is explaining to Chuckie where mom went and mom died I watched that like a week ago I cried

I was like oh my god I didn't know this is in Rugrats I didn't know I don't remember that The most unsettling fact about that show is that the parents are younger than we are They are younger they're 32 So that makes you feel good stew always just looked stressed out stew looks like he's going through it constantly uh i feel bad for that guy he might have been anyway where were we oh Lisa being a farmer now before we

really get into all the the good shit do you think she would survive a week as a farmer no she wouldn't survive a day as a farmer um what she would do is similar to when we watch housewives go on ski trips she would buy a lot of expensive farming outfits and then wear at one time go outside realize that it is not going to work and then it would just all fall apart from there that's what i assumed as well and i can actually see the coveralls that she would wear and they're probably like patterned or prada and she walks out there with her gloves on and then touches cow shit once and's like nah not doing it cool fuck this i'm going to have churn butter at some point this year don't they no

No, we saw them do that already. That was the frontier party where they played throw them off the wagon. That's probably what she thinks and what she's using as a point of reference to figure out if she could be a good farmer, which, no, she's not. I don't think you can hack it there, LB. Anyway, Angie's house is on the market, which I wasn't aware of, for the price of $4.5 million, which does make me think, like, how much money does Angie have? I know that she's well off. I know she owns multiple salons. They get a franchise fee for multiple franchises.

I think that her husband, I think they have a shampoo line. I'm not sure. I always get confused on that one. I feel like we've mentioned it before. Yeah. I won't chalk that one up. But I don't.

Yeah, 4.5. And slightly jumping the gun with the black card thing, but it's relevant to what we're talking about. I don't think she needs a black card for every. single business that she owns? I mean, she seems, the one, yeah, it seems very redundant.

From what I understand about a black card, there's no spending limit. So why would you need? But there's a minimum. You got a hit on a black card. That's where it gets confusing now, too, because like the Amex is the black card. That's the black card, right? I think she, yeah.

Other companies make multiple, but other companies make black cards, but they're not the same status of having the black card Amex, which you have to spend, I believe last I saw was like you have to spend at least $100,000 on the card to qualify for the next year. I would imagine it's probably gone up.

But that's the other thing. If you're stretching it out, let's say you do have multiple black cards from different credit services. You're spending $100,000 on each one. That seems stupid. Wouldn't you want to just spend it on one and get the benefits from the one card? No? She's doing, you know, what would be really funny is applying like,

like middle class financial literacy to people with black cards and say that what she's actually doing is she's doing a balance transfer from class card. She's just transferring black card balances. Which would be fucking hilarious

if that's actually what she's doing. But I don't know because you did kind of answer one of my questions. My other question was she kept specifying MX MX and then didn't say MX for like two of them. So I'm wondering if yeah, maybe that's just like a different card servicer and maybe that's what she was doing.

So that actually makes a little bit more sense. But still, my thought is she has all of those for different businesses and her personal one because it's a status symbol. And she says to herself, I imagine, and maybe Sean, well, it's not enough to just have one black card. I need a black card for this, this, and this in case I need to pull them all out at one time to show people that I've got multiple black cards. That's what I'm thinking.

And that's also going in line with where Angie is in my brain right now. she thinks that she's up there she's doing all of these things i need her to get knocked down a little bit i need her to just get knocked down and the other problem is too many people are jumping on lb i'm now going to be protective of lb i'm not i'm on the other side i think i'm going to be protective of lb at this point because too many people out there are not giving her the respect that she deserves she has been going through it for three years getting ganged up and handling herself pretty well no you don't think so because i think she's handled herself well yeah uh i do think she's been the target i think the difference now which i'm enjoying i think the big difference we're seeing with

the lb onslaught is she doesn't have a defense this time and there is something in there whereas like seasons past when they go after i'm like yeah this is all pretty flimsy like the jazz ticket thing or you know vita tequila thing because i agree with you like lawsuits big business shit happens i don't foresee those being like actual bombshell reports i'm like oh my god who knows although after the wendy news came out who the fuck i know that i every that sent everything for a loop honestly i don't trust anybody but this seems different because we've yet to see a season where you have a cast pile up in terms of heather meredith questioning things like that's where it's it feels different so i'm okay i don't like a pile on i agree and i think that

lisa always has enough support that will never see her like one on five but i'm i'm actually really into Heather questioning her in the scenes from next week. Other people starting to be like, wait, this isn't really adding up. And it's almost like the denominator in there, the common denominator. People aren't buying what she's selling anymore.

In the past, when she would get all L-B'd about things and just blah, and you can't get a word in, people would bend the knee and be like, all right, fuck it, I'm done, you win.

Bronwyn's handling it differently. And I think she almost set the tone and showed other ladies like, hey, if you handle it like this, she doesn't know what to do because Whitney has followed suit somewhat. She doesn't bite when LB is starting. And I'm sure she will. I don't think she can maintain that as well as Brahman has. And Angie, you are correct 100%. She needs to get knocked down a little bit. I think she's doing great. I think it's like a great season for her. But I do see her kind of getting a little big for her bridge that. She thinks she's the sheriff in town now. We need to knock her down a little bit. I think Lisa is good for that. She'll take care of that. But at the same time,

I'm ready for Lisa to actually have to answer. That's what it is. I'm ready for Lisa that I actually have to answer. I think that's entirely fine. I just don't care for all the people online who probably praised her in the past saying that they are not Team Lisa anymore and their team Angie. Because the way I'm looking at it is exactly what you just said. I don't want anybody to be clearly ahead of everyone else.

I need there to be some sort of sea level. And then, yeah, there can be a few people well under sea level. That's fine because that's how you have to round out a cast. But I don't want anybody to be clearly. above anyone else. That's not how this works. That's what gets us to a Jen Shaw. And I don't want a Jen Shaw on this show. I think they're doing well without that. And I don't want anyone to rise too far above anything else. That's all I'm saying. I agree. So I think we're somewhat on the same page. Just one's leaning a little bit more the other way. But I see where you're coming from. I do

get it. But anyway, this episode is going to be two hours long. We haven't even like gotten into shit yet. We're just too excited about it. I know. And I do think that like a lot of this episode is obviously centrals around one big fight that goes back and forth. And they are a little redundant back and forth. And, yeah, obviously we have the split-offs and the one-on-ones. But overall, I view this episode as let's break down this whole goddamn fight. And then we'll just kind of interject with different things. Agreed.

And it goes back to your metaphor of the cartoon fight. Like, that's literally what it was, just in real life, which is really funny. So we get a little wine pairing. And this is where the salmon thing happens. Obviously, we fight about the house for sale. And Brittany decides to chime in. because Brittany feels some type of this is why Brittany is such an enigma in not in the show just as a human being like she's a walking question mark she's upset that Angie didn't reach out to her to sell her $4.5 million house now Britney let's lay out the reasons okay option one her godmother or whatever is a realtor known her for a long time obviously going to go with somebody you know really no she just met you you you you're not really friends.

Two, I'm not trusting you with a $100,000 house, let alone my $4.5 million nest egg that I need to sell to buy a new house because I think you're going to undercut it. I think you're going to do what you said and put it as a listing for too low. And I think there's some truth to both sides. Like I do think that maybe they shot a little high in whatever the asking price was. And you don't want to do that because you want to create a bidding war. On the flip side, in Angie's defense, when you get to luxury homes, they tend to sit on the market because you have to find somebody that's willing to shell out $4.5 million dollars.

It's not necessarily the house isn't worth X amount. It's like, can you find the right buyer at the right time that's waiting to buy a $5 million home after everything's all said and done? Yeah. It's a really good point. And I think it's cut and dry as to why Brittany wasn't selected or even asked. But I think this will go into more of the handling of Brittany by the rest of the cast. I think they're not going to do themselves any good by handling Brittany the way that they've been handling her because this should have been done. There was a weird shift.

Everybody had little shots and things that I didn't really care for. Brittany is obviously like you said, an enigma. But I didn't really care for the one-off shots here and there when we're not talking about Brittany. Some of them are okay. Some of them are funny. but a lot of them are just downright mean for no reason. This was one of them where Angie just writes her off right away. Well, you know, I think it was my godmother's son is a realtor and I went with him because

he knows the whole family. It could have just ended there. I love Brittany's retort. Well, I was just asking. I just wanted to know why you didn't ask me, of course. As she starts to take shots at the house. Yeah. She didn't start to take shots at the house until Angie said, why would I go with you?

I don't even know you. Everybody else agreed at the same time. That probably didn't make Brittany feel well. you didn't have to add the second part and maybe this wouldn't have come out maybe it would have who knows if brittany she's a fucking wild card but i don't think you needed the extra shot i don't even know who you are we just met last year you could have just left it at i'm going with a family friend and brittany may have backed off a little bit because now we might start talking about the fact that you've got a price adjustment now we might start talking about well what's really going on

why are you selling the house it could have just been done but if you do that and you let Brittany talk a little bit more, even though she's just a wild card that's going to throw out a lot of shots, one of them might hit to a point where Lisa picks it up. And you don't want. That one should have. That one should have. And it still might the way that Lisa's been operating, she tends to do things almost like retroactively. She'll pull something back that she heard in like her left ear while she was yelling outside the right side.

It could be something as easy as that where, yeah, Brittany can't do a whole lot with that information because nobody cares what she's doing, but she can cause shit for you because it. If she says something, Lisa can pick it up or Heather can pick it up. And somebody that can really knock you down will use that information because they got it from Brittany. So you do have to try carefully with Brittany, I think. Yeah, I, again, totally agree with where you're coming from. I see it differently. One, the fact that Jared calls her and she didn't last 24 hours, be as mean to her as you want.

She doesn't give a shit about her daughters. She's the worst mom on the planet. So don't feel bad about the shots taken any other housewife in that same. position, I would be like, hey, we don't need, we just did this on Potomac, right? With Stacey, like we don't need random mean comments frequently. Because of what she's doing with her kids, don't give a shit about the mean stuff. Yeah. The other part, what those one-off comments tell me, and it is important, I think, to where

we've gotten to as a cast, nobody takes her seriously. To the point that it's like, we're not even, we're going to take a couple shots, But that's good because if you remember last year, when we got stuck in Britneyism, it takes a long time to get away from those. It was funny last season because she was new and we're just like, who the hell is this, again, Martian. Now we have too much other stuff going on. I don't need to get stuck on a Britneyism for too long. So that tells me that they're just like, okay, shut up. Anyway, back to the main point.

So any other, any other housewife, I would agree with you. But because of who she is, nah, she deserves all the shit. she's getting because yeah again Jared calls her and she's like oh you know what happened to 30 days like I didn't make it 24 hours which is kind of funny that she's that honest about being such a terrible mom not as funny as Lisa 100% knowing every single zip code in where they rank she's the only one I'm like she she knows everyone else is throwing their own zip code out there because they want to be in that zip code she's like no actually it's pop pop pop pop pop pop pop I believe her.

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because him and Justin are weirdly friends, which I can't imagine how boring. Those conversations have to be like watching paint dry between those two. There's no personality between the two of them. Yeah. What did Justin say last year? Oh, I'm going to pound your ass.

I'm going to pound your ass. I'm going to pound your ass. They talk about a lot of ass pounding in those. conversations that's what i think it was pound his ass yeah it was yeah just in the ass pounder better get him away from a pound his ass you must be from utah with that kind of come back that is not how we say it yeah it's definitely not how we say it but yeah the two of them sitting around talking and obviously the way that jared's doing it we saw this last year when he's on camera he's a different person we have to listen to what brittney is saying because brittney herself doesn't

understand what's going on but her her sitting there saying he called me six times he must have texted me about five or six more times and we flipped to this scene where he's sitting with justin saying you know i feel a little hurt i'm i'm feeling like a dormant i'm feeling like she's just using me to go on vacation she's using me for you know nice things and dinners and things like that and i don't really know where i stand in her life and yet he's calling her six times texting her five times and then later obviously when we get him on the phone it's a completely different thing he doesn't know he's on camera it's so different and it's so obvious to everybody sitting at that table everybody watching at home exactly what's going on he's playing it up for the

cameras he's acting like he's a hurt puppy dog and he doesn't know where he is in brittney's life we know what you're doing you're manipulating her you're mentally abusing her and you're forcing her to do this i don't think that brittany went to him and said hey i need to have a relationship with my daughter and Whitney recommended that I spend 30 days off from being with you. There's no chance that Brittany had that conversation with him. But I'm sure in some capacity, they've had a conversation about where Britney is with her daughter and how the relationship is kind of fucking that up. And he still doesn't care.

So that tells us everything that we need to know about Jared. And I'm not going to believe another word since. He probably said something along the lines of, oh, you're going to let something get between what we have. He gave her an ultimatum. I'm sure he gave her an ultimatum. And it was probably much more of a strong ultimatum than her daughter even gave her. And also, if she's using you for a vacation because her defense of everything's not great,

she's like, so he buys me some dinners and some bags and we go on vacation on his dog, like, but I'm not a gold digger. It's like, okay. But if that's the case, it actually makes this better for me because if she's using him for that, he's just using her when he wants to pound some ass. so it's they're using each that would make me feel better about the situation not the daughter part of it because that's still atrocious what a horrible mom but i think they're both using each other to some degree and i also think that her big fascination with jared osmond is osmond that's that's

that's the root of this yes this honestly when she said that i'm like she's referring to osmond she's referring to yep that's exactly what she's doing yeah which is so gross but whatever anyway that's again a little foreshadowing for a little bit later, which was probably my favorite Bronwyn scene thus far. But before we get there, Meredith chimes in. I heard some things from Angie in regards to me and Lisa. Now, in honor of Lisa and my agreement to bring things to the forefront immediately, she says to the entire table that apparently she had been talking some shit,

saying some not nice things. Now, I don't know if it was intentional to leave it as vague as she did because it gives Lisa an easier out. It was, yeah. The way that she did it, she worded it so vaguely and it was intentional. That's what I got from this because she didn't even say, I got this from Angie. She said, I need to ask you something. Yeah. Were you digging up things on me and my family that could hurt me?

And it was very open-ended, very, and I can see it kind of see. it from both sides, where it's, I'm going to give you the opportunity to come clean about anything, Lisa doesn't take the bait. Lisa knows exactly where this is coming from, because she's currently beefing with Angie, and she knows how Angie operates. So that's when she looks at Angie right away and says, well, I know I'm dealing with Satan. So why doesn't Satan Satan knows? Satan knows exactly what's going on. And Angie knows that Lisa knows. And that's what starts off the entire skirmish. We get right into it. We never get to address whether or not. And obviously Lisa says, no, no, of course, I didn't do that.

I would never do that to you. I agreed to not do things like that to you. And I left everything off the table. I'm not going to go digging on your family. I'm not going to go digging on you. I wouldn't use any information to hurt you, nor would I talk behind your back. That was the only addressing of this. And Meredith is like, okay, whatever.

I don't know. It's a little bit of both because she didn't really get the opportunity to get further into it because of how much it popped off between Angie and Lisa. But she also didn't try to interject. And we haven't seen Meredith try to interject at all this season yet. And we're what, five, six episodes into this? I don't even know. I've got fooled.

The Watch What Happens Live thing is fucking me up so bad. I have no idea how long we've been into the season and I don't care until the end when I'm crying. But right now, Meredith hasn't done a whole lot. Meredith has been somewhat loosely involved, talked about, and she's not interjecting at all. So I don't think she would have interjected. Either way, she didn't have the opportunity because it just ignites a flame between these two. yes it certainly does and it does not end for the entirety of the episode but this is where

heather chimes in and the confessional it's like boom this is why you're great when you're in your role she's the one that points out wow she just completely let that go meredith in the past got mad about somebody liking a tweet now because leases on the other end of it we get this whole thing and she's like okay like literally stays silent now if it didn't pop off would it have gone differently? I don't think so. I think as soon as Lisa swears to God, Meredith's like, all right. Yeah, I think it was just I can't be bothered with this because I don't want to get involved right now. I don't know exactly what it was, but she didn't use any words of confirmation or accept any sort of apology or even acknowledge that Lisa went through all of that. She just kind of

sat back into her seat and let everything else pop off. So I don't know, to be honest, but I can't see a world in which Meredith interjects at any given time and just gives her any more shit. I think she's just kind of checked out after this. Yeah, I agree. And during this part is when Brittany goes to sit with Terrence. I love that Bravo

got messy. And Karen says all the right things. You know, it's feeling some disconnect between you and your kids. She's like, yeah, yeah. You know, I got 23 and 19. He's like the 19 year old. She's like, oh my God. How could he know this? And then we roll

five or six different scenes of her talking about being the worst mom in the world. That was funny. That was hilarious. And immediately, and this is the other thing that I didn't really get to think about

until the episode ended when obviously he started to impress us with some of the things he was pulling out. He didn't know or he did know and maybe he did watch season one, or the last season, the producers threw this in there to discredit this man.

That's what, I mean, obviously, yeah, they did it to be fun. towards Brittany saying how could he know any of this information, but they also discredit this guy. And then he makes himself look so much better because he didn't get discredited for the rest of the episode. And he was pulling stuff out randomly, stuff that we just found out last week in this show, stuff that maybe other people on the cast don't even know unless Whitney's just a soothsayer, as Mary would say, and she knows what's going on.

And she's giving him all this information. There was so much going on. But they discredited him in this scene. Maybe that wasn't their intent. And he made it. back immediately yes 100% and we're back with the main group and it's really starting to escalate and lisa's issue is the kids part of it all right the fresh wolf now that was this is where i get not frustrated because it makes for good drama but it's like this was addressed this was addressed and squashed and then you took it a step further by sending your assistant and this is where Lisa tends to lose me is when those moments are brought to her attention and she's challenged about it, she maintains that it wasn't shady. It's like you sent your assistant to pick up the

fresh wolf. She called it dusty. So what? And then you sent the text. I don't know if the text was before or after the assistant. The text predated that. So that's the thing that and I agree with you, that's where Lisa will lose you in an argument. She is now saying and it all hinges on something that Angie said after you said the text. Angie said that after you've emboed her $600 for the product. Angie said that after you set the assistant over there. Now, you started it. Correct.

The assistant coming over to pick up all the product, that was obviously expected. We knew that Lisa was going to do something like that. Angie even knew that and said something to some degree of last week, saying, yeah, I kind of expected Lisa to come over to get this product, or at least ask me if she could have it back since I'm not selling it. fine that's exactly what I figured she would do the rest of it was already happening and she says oh yeah and then you had the audacity to tell my assistant oh it's just gathering dust anyway

there's dust all over this product that happened afterwards you had already done all the things that you were already doing you can't say that you did those things in retaliation in the middle of your argument you get you're going to lose the entire audience and you're going to lose and that's what happened because even if you don't send a text the sending of your assistant to the salon is in of itself shady you cast the first stone and then your defense is that she took a shot at your kids you squash that at the at the poster board thing so that's not it does not apply anymore that's where she tends to lose me a lot now back to terence with bronwyn this is actually working out just fine it gives us a little breather before we get to the next part of the

argument i hope this guy's legit yeah god i hope this guy's legit because the shit you're saying to her bro, that's real life shit. That's her parents' mortality we're talking about. That's her mom's diagnosis we're talking about. God, I hope that he either has the inside information from a source or he's actually has the site because these claims to make inside information. Did he go to the hospital? Did he make some tolls beforehand?

Brother, I don't know. I'm just saying this is bold. Obviously, you know, the things happen with the horse later. But with this one in particular, with Bromwin's reading, we need to follow up on this. We need to keep an eye out. And we'll know immediately because she'll have more scenes with Muzzi and she'll talk through it to find out. It would be very funny if she goes and sits with Muzzy and tells her, I was at a tarot card reading. And this guy said that there's more to your diagnosis and there's other things going on.

Are you telling me everything? That would be a hilarious conversation to go from that. Especially with Mormon mom. Yeah, with Mormon mom who absolutely doesn't believe in. any of this. She's way more in line with what Mary's been saying. You mean witchcraft? That would be unreal. And it would be so much better if Muzzy cops do it and says, yeah, you know what? They did say there's something wrong with my eyes. There's something wrong with something else. Maybe I'll lose my sight. Whatever. He said blood level, dude. He said

blood levels. That's what I'm like, whoa, then he said something about eyes a little bit later too. And I'm like, he is kind of doing a spray shot, but it's very serious. So you better be right about this. T. I'm calling him T. I know. T, my boy T, that was my only moment with him. I'm like, ooh, that's a lot to say to somebody you don't know. So either you're very confident, you do have the site, or you're just really trying to get some clicks and views because that she was heavy. By the way, you already said something about a brain and she furthered, like furthered the confirmation by saying, yeah, my mom just had brain surgery and it's been really tough. You could have let her talk and then maybe added in a couple of quips at the ends that made her feel a little bit better.

instead you're like wait that's not the end of it there's more like she has more cancer like whoa dude that's a lot to tell somebody even if you are right like check out that this guy would be like really close to whitney though yeah that's a good point but we're back with angie and lb angie reads the text whatever blah blah blah Lisa again we got a little crack in her armor here because her attack attack plan is you usually used someone else's credit card which is what you're being accused of which is weird that now Angie's being accused

of it but even more so let's say she did use that credit card and you had to write him a check to pay him back okay yeah so she're being accused of using someone else's credit card and not paying them back you're saying

she did use the credit card and then paid him back so what what's going on here is obviously a mirror situation. Lisa is mirroring this to try to throw it back in Angie's face. But I think she's missing what the issue is here. The issue is that you used another guy's credit card and you're claiming he's a business partner, but you didn't pay him back. So he's suing you. You're now saying, hey, you did the exact same thing, but it's not. The issue is that you didn't pay him back. You can't then give Angie the bone and say, here you go. You did pay him back.

Good job. Are you trying to compliment her? Like, I'm confused. I get it's a status thing. you know like you can't even afford money on your card yeah but she paid her debt you are in a lawsuit that we're not allowed to hear about because you quote unquote denied everything and that to you seems to be exoneration from this lawsuit that's a dismissal she dismissed the charges yeah you did like that's literally i don't claim this i dismiss this yeah it's dismissed by lisa barlow attorney at large no this is not the same thing and again your claim is that It's a status shot, sure, slightly, but she had the funds to reimburse the man who paid for the vacation.

So it doesn't hit the same. It further pushes her argument to the side. And that's when Angie starts literally throwing black cards at her. Like, oh, yeah, what about this one? What about this one? I swear Brittany put one into her bra. She did. Like, you saw that too?

Okay. Yeah, because I did. And then I don't know if she took it out. Like, that's a one thing. I'm like, yo, make sure you get your card back because she will steal from you. she might yeah and like she was just accused of being a gold digger and then she ends up putting that in there like i know she doesn't have the brains to make that comparison and realize oh this is kind of funny it's furthering the joke and i'm making fun of myself i'm gonna take this black card like no she was

serious about taking the black card she's like hey guys she still have it's like what do you we just called you a gold digger why are you stealing a black card now you're not helping your case you're actually making it worse make sure we got that black card back uh Angie you might have a big bill right now and unlike you i don't I think Brittany will be able to pay it back unless she hangs out with Jared a little bit more. But yeah, things really escalate. Now we're getting name-calling. Angie stands up, screams at Lisa to shut her fucking mouth.

I'm going to pull your ears back even further than your facelift. Looks that you got out of a wind tunnel. Lisa's response back is a height fight. Oh, yeah, well, whatever, shorty, you're like three inches shorter than me. Oh, am I short of the? Like, that's when you know that this has, this has gone past. Hey, we're on a housewife show. let's start some shit this is real these two are actually and i with the angie side of it especially

as we get more into it later and she's exasperated by the whole thing i really do think what we've seen is she is she is so fed up with the angie or sorry with the lisa barlow stick i'm so fed up that she gets to act this way all of the time we always let her go we never really press her we don't hold her feet to the fire i'm sick of it i think she's reached a breaking point with that. As far as Lisa goes, I think that for the first time in a long time, if potentially ever, we see her without a defense. We see her like, fuck, I don't know how to retort any of this. I'm just going to yell back what she's yelling at me. I think it could be as simple as saying every fight in the past, because obviously Angie starts talking about this a little bit later,

where everybody ends up making up with Lisa and making up with Lisa. And even if they're really making up with her. A lot of the times what they're doing is just getting to a level where they're copesthetic. And yeah, maybe there's some some niceties mixed in there, but you still have to film with each other. This, I think, is the first time that somebody's just going, no holes barred. I don't give a fuck if we're not friends anymore. I truly know. This could end with the two of us never speaking again, and I'm ready for that. Like, I'm prepared to die, essentially. And I don't think Lisa's ever face that. If we're going back into all the arguments, the next closest thing is obviously the disarray that was her and Meredith a couple years ago.

Otherwise, there's not a lot there. They just kind of press each other on materialistic shit. This is way deeper. Like you said, you could look at this and say, well, the argument just devolved and the name calling and all of this. This is saying to me, these are two people who have known each other for a long time, who were friends for a long time, that have had it with each other. And Lisa is fighting, but then she hits a point where she can't do it anymore. And she's not getting that mean. she's not getting that personal she's really just defending herself and she's just going balls to

the wall and ripping her apart for every little detail that she dislikes about lisa and i think that kind of rubbed lisa the wrong way maybe even just kind of hit her upside the head like a blind side and she didn't expect it and that's what i'm that's what i'm seeing now we can put this with the bramwin seen from the first episode or the second episode she didn't expect brahmun to do that and she had no debate she's not expecting angie to go this hard with no repercussions in mind and still have a defense. Like, she just doesn't have a defense in these situations. And I think that's what we're saying. I agree. But I think it's, it's weird to watch her play the role of like, you know, you're going too far. This, that's like, honestly, dude, this is a taste of your own medicine.

We've seen you do this to other people. You don't like it when it's done to you. Yeah, this is amped up a little bit because there's a lot of emotion involved. But it just always cracks me up because when people try to interject, you know, Meredith tries to get people to quiet down because Bronwyn comes out sobbing because she's concerned about her parents because they're both potentially going to die soon. So she's upset. Meredith checks the whole table. Like, guys, stop.

We need to check on her. Bronwyn's like, we don't need to go too far. And when Lisa chimes in on these ones, she's like, I agree. I agree. As though she's been saying that the whole time.

Like, yeah, I know. This is what I. It's like, no, but you are the perpetrator of this a lot of the time, Lisa. And I know that when it comes to self-awareness,

she has none. So, like, I expect this. out of her. It's just, I guess it's just really interesting to watch the tables turn and watch Lisa really not have a good rebuttal. You know, it's just, it's fascinating. I think something clicked somewhere along the way where Lisa is, and we can kind of compare this to everybody always eventually bends the knee. And I don't think that they're literally bending a knee. I don't think they're figuratively bending a knee. I do think that they're just getting back to some sort of normal

ground where we'll be around each other and it's not completely uncomfortable. That's what we see and that's what Lisa is used to. So when she fights and she fights dirty, it usually ends up okay for her because people always come back together and it's all right and you'll get a second chance. But I think she sees now that Angie doesn't give a fuck about that and she doesn't have any intention of getting back to a normal playing field and that's what scares her. That's what kind of throws her off where she's rattled and she doesn't have a defense because she doesn't know how to handle it, but you could say,

Angie's just fighting how Lisa usually fights. And that's all it is. So yes, it is a taste of her own medicine, but I think something did click with Lisa where she's like, fuck, I think we're getting to a point now where I can't expect us to get back to some sort of copacetic world. And that's not going to happen just based off of the way that you're going after me. Agreed.

I think that's a really, really good way to put it. And we get the line of the episode because she makes a joke about the black card. You can go shop at Norseman. He's like, I don't shop at Nordstrom, but you do. I was like, damn, Nordstrom's taking hits now. I thought Norstrom is nice. Yeah, that shows where we live, you know, what tax bracket we're in.

But then we get the suit. Then we get the soup man. Mm-hmm. I don't know who the soup man is. I don't know what it means, but I've never been more fascinated by a phrase than, oh, yeah, what about the soup man? I'm like, whoa, who's the soup man? Who's the soup man?

And like, what kind of soup? What are we doing? talking chunky soup is there a campbell's guy out there i don't know is it be is it somebody from a campbell soup commercial perhaps or is it you know no we got to find out more made me think of party down have you seen that yeah with super crackers that the one guy that works in the catering business wants to buy a super crackers um i don't know i want there run yeah thank you uh that made me think of super crackers but maybe it's him maybe it's ron funcha oh no that's the different guy what an idiot it I am. Anyway, I almost said, Ron Funchis, totally different guy.

Yeah, the first thing that popped to my head. But anyway, Soupman comes up. L.B. and Andrews still going back and forth while Heather's getting her reading, nothing to report there. The guy just, that one, I think he just knows that her love interest on the show had been non-existent. So he's like, yeah, I love her. Heather even knew that too. Yeah, Heather just starts laughing. She's like, okay, yeah. She starts crying. Yeah, well, yeah, but like, at first, it's just expected. You know that this is what's going to. happen so men and she's like oh damn it yeah easy shot to take this guy's this guy's uh i don't know if he's smart or mean one of the two maybe both but she keeps accusing angie of the same stuff

like she's still going after what what angie's accusing her of with the credit card thing whitney quick voice of reason weird as these two are kind of off to the side she's like so what you're accusing angie of is what she accused you of but when you do it it's fine when she did you see lisa she's like well she started it's like well we've already done that on on this episode like we yeah we've gone back like you through the first stone in this one things were good after the poster board thing you decided to start it up again love love the lady that owns the vineyard coming over mid argument like got another pairing come on back it's like okay where i swear the producers in salt lake are just telling

these people whether it's a waitress or good a wine lady get involved go out out there, jump in the middle of it and tell them that you've got something else or try to take your order. It'll be funny. And it is. Honestly, it hits every episode. Every single time that somebody chimes in, I'm like, hell yeah, that's funny. And Lisa takes a quick breather to go talk to Terrence.

Now, we've had questions about these two in the past. Obviously, watching them, quote unquote, communicate is watching Lisa ask a question, watching J.B. Husband boss answer while Lisa is texting somebody else on her phone. So she confirms as Terran starts to dig in. He's like, oh, I feel like, I feel like we're rebuilding something here. Like, oh, I think something's going on between you and your husband. Like, oh, and like the communication, different paths. And it leads to Lisa saying that she feels lonely sometimes.

So that's where a lot of my questions come in. Is this a business thing? You know, she's got a lot going on. So she's doing her thing. Doesn't have a lot of time for the family. That's the vibe I get. that's not what she's alluding to she's alluding to what jb husband boss makes her feel lonely sure i feel like she's so wrapped up in her own shit you know like the apartment thing made me

kind of sad that you know jb husband boss is like yeah i thought it'd be a good idea for him to get his own place and she's like wait what you thought it's like you guys haven't discussed this like you haven't had a conversation one-on-one about whether or not jack should have an apartment you'd lisa just said no like you guys should talk about that I'm going to level with you. Sure. I don't have time or brain capacity to think about what they're going through unless something happens. Because the way I looked at this was it was chaos outside.

And Lisa has to walk in and discuss something personal with Terrence talking about J.B. Talking about their communication breakdown and what they're doing. She starts crying immediately. And I'm like, is she crying really because of what we're talking about? or is she just overwhelmed with all of the things going on between her and Angie. It's got to be a little bit of both, but I imagine it's probably like 90-10 what she's been going through. She has rattled.

She's emotional. She's yelling. She has to walk inside and have a calm conversation with this guy and just completely turn it off. I think that's why she started crying. But I do think that she, this is the first time that we've seen her cry when she talks about her family or talks about J.B. So I didn't really put any weight into that. There could be something here for sure, but there's so much going on.

that I can't even bring myself to think about what's going on or hypothesize what's going on in their relationship because we've seen this breakdown somewhat before and they always end up or she ends up convincing us or trying to convince us, then everything's fine and everything's going to be great. So I think we're probably going to get more of that. I just think in the midst of all the shit going on,

I don't even think about it. I didn't even blink at this. I think they need to go back on Meredith and Seth's podcast. Yeah, hanging on by a thread. I think we need hanging on by a thread. I think we need an episode with LB and J.B. Husband boss and no, I'm not rooting for them to fail.

I weirdly like them like together. It's just kind of weird but fun. I want them to be good. I just want them to be able to communicate. And if she's wrapped up in business, like that's sad. I just want them to figure it out because look, I might not be on Team Lisa,

but I like Lisa. And I love what she brings to the show. So we get that whole thing, this montage of disagreements between her and J.B. husband boss is it more serious we don't know to me this seems like we're setting something up to talk about later on in the season maybe we'll get an episode with meredith i don't know but back outside now angie you would think would have some time to decompress and breathe and talk to the ladies no not at all and that tells me that this is deeper than just like yeah on screen shit

like she really has reached her limit and we're seeing a full blown meltdown in the form of her just yelling at everybody and starts to take shots at everybody mary i love her jumping in yeah this is a good point because you're trying to hold lisa to this standard of digging and and going by people's back this that the other when you were friends with her you co-signed all of that ship it's a valid point it's a very good point that i didn't even get to i was like oh wow well done mary because that is true and now is it pertinent to this situation in particular or maybe not, but what it should do at the very least to say to Angie, like, yeah, we don't like her digging.

You were involved with it at some point. Can we chalk this up to a, hey, let's neutralize this and just move past it? That's what I think she was trying to do. Yeah, and Angie's not willing to do that. She doesn't hear. She's seeing red right now. This is the beginning of her going right back at Mary. And this is when she starts looking at everybody.

Like, you always bend the knee. You always bend the knee. you guys swore that you would never go back she said some heinous shit to you and yet you came right back and now you're friends with her i don't understand how i'm the one who now everybody's like calm down you guys got to be okay and then you can have a calm conversation i don't want to have a comp conversation that told me everything i need to know about her wanting to go scorched her i don't think she cares about a friendship about lisa right now that could obviously change as we've seen a lot of different things change over the years with this show and with other shows it doesn't

seem like it, right? It seems like this is the end all deal. This is never going to repair itself. I think we're going to have to get to a place of cordiality at the most. I just don't see this one being repaired unless you lock them in a room together or something for like two days. You can't come out. Yeah, that's a good point. Put pro Terrence in there and maybe like the wine lady. Yeah, that would just to diffuse it. But the crazy thing is this isn't even when Angie says all the things. That's how packed this episode is. That was actually later. But this is, I think, the moment where you get that feeling of what she says later because her disregarding Mary entirely is like, oh, that's weird.

Usually she's able to settle down with Mary. Yeah. So that's a big sticking point for me. But she goes to talk to Terrence. And this one was a little spooky. Of course, you could just make this claim because most housewives are entrepreneurs. So maybe just bring it up. He's like, yeah, new business.

You're expanding something, new product. And she's like, holy shit, I'm making sunglasses. How do the hell do you know? The only people that know are like her, her daughter, her husband and the designers in Italy. I was like, that's a good one, dude. That was pretty good.

Was it? But I thought so was enough. That was one of those. The one with Bronwyn and the one with the horse for the two things that stood out to me. This was more like, like you just said, you're a housewife, all housewives are entrepreneurs.

They've always got something coming out. He said product. I took product as hair care. because that's what you refer to hair care as and he ended up being right. He ended up stumbling upon it and it ended up with Angie just opening up. Hey,

I've got a product coming out and it's sunglasses. It's something I've never done before. I don't know. That's awesome. I was thinking about hair care products, but no. We need to buy a pair of those. If they're super expensive,

we'll split them, but like we need a pair of Angie sunglasses. I have a big enough head where I think I can support. I got a big head too. I have a small face, but a big head. Yeah, you're going to be fucked.

It's just going to be like. You think? might be able to pull them off i i think i can probably do it i used to wear the big like viper shades like the baseball uh yeah i could rock those yeah maybe that's a different i don't know we'll give him a shot we'll see we'll do uh who looks better me or shooter on instagram when we get those but lisa's recapping her situation in lisa fashion of course and she's like you know he said to me like you just get burned because you give so much to other people and so much love and then you don't get it back you just get burned it's like is that what he said she's like

i'm paraphrasing it's like you think that's what unless we missed a whole segment that's not what he said at all you're talking about your husband yeah that was the most lisa thing ever because she is very good at not letting other people know what's going on and i thought much all it is i agree and i thought that whitney made a good point here where it's like it is there is a level of sadness to it that Lisa, we've never, ever, even in one-on-ones, even when she does end up crying, like, she literally has never actually let all of her walls down, ever. And that is sad, because you should be vulnerable every now and then. There's nothing.

Oh, yeah. So that's a good, good call out by Whitney. She had a good episode overall, but we're back into it. Don't worry. Angie and Lisa are going back and forth again. Gout Dick gets brought back up, which I'm so glad that we get to talk about that again. to this day, one of my favorite digs ever taken on a housewife show

especially Lisa reiterating. I apologize for saying she sucked gout dick, all right? Like, back off. It's not that serious anymore. And then we get to the back and forth. She started, she started, she started it. And she goes and gets her box.

This box is full of Lisa's gifts that she had gifted to Angie. And I think Bronwyn points out and she's 100% correct. Angie didn't want any of these. Nothing is used.

The Vita tequila, which I'm going to go ahead and just stamp it right now. Vita tequila must suck. Nobody drinks it. Every single person except for the scenes that we watch where Lisa is hosting a party and she has it out there, every single person that has a bottle of Vita. We saw this last year with Justin and Whitney.

As soon as things push came to shove, Whitney and Lisa are back at it again. I'm going to give her this bottle back. Look, it's not even opened. Of course it's not opened. Nobody likes this tequila. I'm convinced too. There's just no way.

But I could see Angie frantically coming home from the salon and we didn't have cameras, unfortunately, going through her house. And I wonder, I'm sure a lot of this was probably already in a box, probably within that Tupperware, as Mary pointed out, who brought the Tupperware? Who brings Tupperware? Probably sitting in there. Maybe the horse thing was sitting somewhere and she took that horse and that was the thing on top. Everything else is already in that box.

I don't think there was, I don't think this shit was scattered throughout her house. I don't think there was any decor up that Lisa got her. This bottle of Vita was probably sitting under the sink or something and they probably use it to like burn the, uh, burn the stains out of a sink or something. It was vacuum sealed. Like the, the plastic was still on it. No one drinks that shit. Not one person. I see her using any of the stuff that she was giving back.

She just didn't want it. No. Yeah. It's just funny to watch her open a box of unopened shit. And meanwhile, Mary, pulls Lisa to the side to try to talk some sense into her. She actually does somewhat get through to her, which is pretty impressive. But regardless, it doesn't matter because she's like, you're, that's really motivational. Thanks, Mary. She walks back and brings up the Caristos thing. And only Lisa, only Lisa would go, let me call the head of Carastas right now. She's my best friend. Let's see what she has to say. I'll tell it you're disappointed. Is the Karastasa sticking point? Probably.

Yeah, that probably stinks. I think that probably is, yeah. And it is what it is. It's a good shot to take because I do think Angie's upset about it. And we're at the point now where we're just reaching deep into our bag of insults to try to figure out anything that can kind of land because we've gotten, we've been arguing for an hour about the same shit over and over again. I think it's kind of funny too because they must have at some point, maybe early on in the

argument, they probably each said something to the other that really stung. and what we're watching is the other person trying to make the other person hurt as much as they hurt. But they're both hurt. Hurt people, hurt people. And these are two hurt people that are trying to hurt each other.

And it's sad to watch. Yeah, I agree. But highly entertaining, but also sad. It's sad, but entertaining. 100%. And while this is going on, Whitney has her turn with Terrence. Again,

appreciated the honesty. I didn't know. I could have probably surmised that Justin was less than supportive of wild roast duty uh then i do have questions though because it's like all right well did he invest with you at all because that would show some support even if he's not raw raw he had he agreed to invest their money that that's probably but like we kind of do this this has been mentioned in the past too yeah and we even said it last week or two weeks ago when

she installed the stripper pole again like up she feels bad and look I do think that there is to some degree a really good sense here by Whitney getting ahead of this, telling the truth, telling all of the women and being entirely truthful. And look, you can actually withhold some pieces of information when you're giving the big truth. The big truth is, I feel like shit because my company failed. I let a lot of people tell I lost a lot of money. I still have other ventures out there, which she goes on to talk about on Watch What Happens Live, that she has other things going out there with Prism, the jewelry line, whatever. I've got these things so we're still okay we're still well off but this was a big hit

that's all you have to do and if Whitney does that the truth will set her free because now you can go and get involved in other people's shit in a good Whitney way you can have this without having that weighing you down because I do think that when you hold on to a secret like that especially in this group they're going to take it up and they're going to just bring it right back and throw it in your face and it discredits everything you're doing she got ahead of the truth

she has a very truthful scene now obviously we don't really have to worry about what Terrence is saying here because I imagine these two probably talk twice three times a week. I love the scene in the beginning when she called him Hey, do you want to come out? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Just, yep, I'm already there. I'm actually, I'm still sitting at the

vineyard. I've been here since the last time that you have me come out. That was funny. Everything else, great. I think she did herself such a good service by getting ahead of this and just telling the truth because I don't think that she's, again, she's not a heavy hitter. Nobody really cares what she's doing. They will use things to hurt her when she comes after them. And now she doesn't have to.

Now she's free of all of that and it's okay. Yeah, which is, you know, symbolical almost of this episode. That's kind of the point of what she's doing. And I think there's probably some validity to Justin not being a super supportive husband. He doesn't seem like the most involved dude. Like we, I remember two years ago, something about the kids and Justin like not doing stuff with, I don't know. There's something there where it was like she was doing everything with the kids as far as like feeding,

bedtime hanging out like Justin that's what it was because he his job was so crazy she took on all of those roles when he got fired they just assumed the same roles he didn't step in and like start doing anything so yeah I firmly believe that he's probably not that supportive and that he's kind of a loser sorry just kind of the vibe he gives but Bronwyn tries she tries and this is you know the only other things we need to mention are you know Terrence saying to two of them, I think he says to Meredith, you got a snakey friend. So you need to get out of there. And he says to Whitney, you got a snakey friend need to avoid her as Lisa's walking in,

which is pretty funny. But Bronwyn tries to interject in the cartoon fight that we're watching and says, look, you both have said awful things. You're both the problem. Let's just make up. Say you're sorry. Let's move the hell on. Correct.

100% true. Doesn't really matter at this juncture who started. because of all of the bombs that have been thrown back and forth at each other. But Angie's big thing is that, and there is some truth to this. She's like, well, fuck that. Like, it always comes down to just squash it, just clear the air, just move on. Like, it's never, we never get to stick it to her and really say, like, no, you were the problem. And I would imagine that's super frustrating.

When you watch this same fight happen year after year with different people, yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, you shouldn't have to bend the knee. but that's where the housewife comes into it a little bit. It's like, okay, yes, Angie, you're not wrong. You're wrong to then point at everybody at the table who's on your team for the most part. Like Lisa's losing this battle overall from a season standpoint. I don't know about this fight.

I think this fight's neutral. But people are questioning Lisa and what she's doing and the lawsuit and they are getting tired of her shit. You're not going to do yourself any favors. Again, she's seeing red by point. at everybody and saying, you bent the knee, you kissed the ring, you kissed the ring. Mary, you kissed the ring. She said a horrible shit to you like you said earlier. Mary storms off.

Fuck you. I'm not doing this. She leaves. That's, you know, Mary. She gets stuck on things. This is not going to go away. No, I still actually don't think that it has gone away. I think this is still current based on what I've seen in social media.

The way that Whitney was talking about it last night and watched it on live as well, both things indicate to me that this is not really good. gone super well with the two of them with rekindling friendship. But with Lisa in particular, like, Angie's not wrong. Angie is not wrong at all. It just does not help when you're in this cartoon fight to drag other people in and blame them. And it's not really their fault either.

I mean, we watched it last week, two weeks ago, when Bromwin apologized to Lisa and they had it out. They didn't really have it out. Bronwyn did an incredible job apologizing. It may have been the best apology that we've seen from a housewife on any show. And it still went the same way because that. That's how Lisa is. She's still going to talk over you, even when she's apologizing.

And then she starts laughing towards the end of the apology. And then you guys are good-ish. But it still could come back to haunt you. Good enough. Every single time. And I get it too, because from an energy standpoint, you don't want to expend too much energy getting into it with Lisa because you're not going to get the apology. So you do just accept for what she is, except for what she's going to offer you.

She did say sorry about something. Okay, cool. We can go back to it. This is Angie saying that's bullshit. it because everybody else always has to grovel, they always have to do as much as possible to get back in people's good graces except for her. So why are we doing this?

And I get it. I understand it. She could have said it in a softer way, but at this point, there's no way that she's going to say it in that soft tone. Yeah. So not wrong, but you're fighting an uphill battle.

It's still not going to get the point across. When Lisa storms off and leaves, Bronwyn again spitting some absolute knowledge, because we've seen this from her this season and it worked she's like look you don't have to take it but you don't have to engage and that's where she's finally gotten to

she had this eureka moment where she's like oh that's how you win with Lisa just stay calm and that's what she's trying to get through to ang yeah and she's trying to get through to Angie and she's like not hearing it and she's like do you see what she does over and over even Heather's like yeah I see it I see it

And, like, everyone at the table is like, yes, we all see it. We all see it. It's just not worth the fight. So the difference in what, what Angie's missing is that part of it. Like, you're not wrong. And you don't have to be friends with her. But the fight that you're choosing to pick will never pan out the way you wanted to because you simply will not get through.

There's never going to be that moment that you want where at least it goes, oh, I didn't see it that way. You're right. And that's not going to happen. And that's what everybody wants. And that's what everybody has wanted at one time or another. And they've accepted that there. they're not going to get it.

Angie won't accept it. That's the difference here. And the only other thing that we need to talk about is very funny. Jared calls. I got to call them back. I have to call it back. Nope. We're not doing this shit.

What are you doing? You're grobbling again. Bronwyn had probably the funniest and most truthful thing that she's ever said. She's giving you up for Lent. Call you back in 30 days or not. See you later. Boop. I'm sure she called her back on the ride home or called her back on the ride home without a doubt.

She probably felt terrible and apologized. I'm so sorry. They don't understand our love. They don't understand our relationship. They don't know real love. Yeah. Gross. Gross.

Boo. Jared Osman. Boo. He's got to be like the, like the dark mark on the family. Like when they're going through the Osmond list, it's like, oh,

and fuck a Jared. Cousin Jared. Oh, Jared still lives on Osmond Lane. Yeah, he's in the guard house down at the bottom of the hill. Yeah. So he can claim that he's on

Osmond Lane. He's our butler. but let's get to some questions here because I'm sure we have a lot and we do have a good amount this is awesome I'm just being frank if the soup man was an actual soup what kind of soup would he be soup man would be Campbell's chunky uh Campbell's chunky chicken noodle soup man so you think so I was thinking more like a beef and something but I couldn't think of it. Yeah, I think soup man's hearty or soup man's silky.

Yeah, I don't really know. I'm trying to think of like a good, what's a good like Mediterranean soup. I don't know why Mata ball soup comes to mind right away. That's not Mediterranean. Close. I don't know, like an Orzo. There's got to be something in there. That's

Greek is where I was going to go. Why? Because Angie's Greek. Okay, that's fair. Everything is Greek in her life. You think that she's not going to have a Greek soup? I just literally made my I have a private dinner tomorrow and it's Mediterranean I made a Mediterranean

lentil squash soup Oh there you go Yeah Works Yeah I just use some Mediterranean seasonings and a little bit of lemon zest in there To spruce it up a little bit Yeah hell yeah It's pretty damn good

Uh let's see from Courtney Bridal Rush Who is worse Brittany or Jared By far You know she has horrible qualities Yeah She's just a terrible mom She's just a funny hell

housewife that's where yeah she is funny like she's entertaining as shit yeah oh yeah oh oh you're gonna read that one too no i was going to elli from orlando uh is angie snowflake melting i forgot what the argument was about uh not melting but it's playing out how i figured it would play out i didn't expect her to try to get everybody else involved in a mean way and an insulting way and uh that's got a backfire on her but i wanted this and we should all want this we all want everybody is a level playing field that's what we need yep and i think that melting absolutely not she's still delivering it's just she needed this reality check a little bit to to rain it in and i think it's gonna i think it'll pay off in droves i think she's going to come back next time because the

flip side of it all is like all right you want to take on lb you need receipts bro you got to come correct you cannot throw shit out there she's going to get you agitated you're going to go to name calling it doesn't land If you're going to go after, you've got to listen to Brahman, stay calm and bring evidence. And then you have a shot, right? Elliot from Orlando, do we all agree Angie is the actual one with money and Lisa's been faking it? Not fully. I do agree that Angie actually has money.

I don't know if Lisa is as well off if she's trying to portray. It's hard. Like, she's not. She's absolutely not as well off as she's portraying. Like, we know that. She's throwing out names like Ben Affleck and this and that and whatever. You're just a sponsor for events because you have a tequila brand or whatever else you're trying to pedal out there. And that's fine because that's how you make your money and that's great.

But you're not nearly as well off as you want everybody to think you are. No, but we want you to say that you are. It's entertaining. I would say honestly, they're probably like a similar level of wealth. You think Angie's wealthier? I think Angie, I really do think Angie's got. a pretty solid nest egg. I think she does, but I think leases, I think what we're doing now because of what,

and Lisa's done this to us, I think people are now questioning Lisa's wealth, which makes us think that she's not as well off. But I think, honestly, if we got net worths and we threw them out there, they'd probably be very similar. Here's the difference. I bet Angie's more liquid than LB. I don't know. A lot of credit cards.

Because a lot of credit cards, but her businesses are different. Like, LB is doing a lot of, like, ventures, like, starting businesses, whereas the salons are, you know what's coming in or you can expect X amount. So I would say that she's probably more liquid. I would say, Angie's got a little bit more money. And I could be totally wrong with this stuff about Lisa. Lisa might be broke. I don't fucking know. But I don't know.

They might both be broke. Apparently they have to get other men to pay for the things that they're doing. Yeah, everyone's using other people's credit cards for some reason from J.D. Lakin is the secret to getting Bronwyn's best. a nice buzz. Maybe. It might be. She's found her niche thus far, but we did this last season right around the same time. We sung her praises and

the downfall occurred, so we're not going to go that route. She's having a good season. Let's leave it at that. Very true. From B-Man Graham, 0727, I understand why Mary got upset with Angie. Do you think that they will repair their relationship? I think it's going to take a lot of work from Andy to get that back. And rightfully so.

We've seen Mary at odds with certain people on the cast and they've gotten back. It just takes a lot longer with Mary because she doesn't take no shit yeah and i also think that you know i know angie was seeing red but that that was bad you she did not deserve a stray right there she is always your advocate always your supporter that was the wrong shot to take so mary has every right to be pissed off yep oh to add on to that isabella pulvado over under three episodes of angie and mary fighting also skull all right sick vikings uh well over end of the season they're probably

I think through the reunion. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think this is resolved. Maybe next season, we might see some resolve. We're going to see Angie. Here's the different phases of Angie. We're going to see apologetic, frustrated and short, angry, regretful, and then she's going

to do what she can to try to make it up to her. But it's going to be a journey for her to get there. We'll do one more because this episode has dragged on very long. from its sin, is it just me or is Angie irritating us now? Let the mouse go with Lisa. Lisa looks bad on her own. I don't think she's irritating me. And I don't want anybody to get my words wrong at all.

I think they both were in the same position where if you let the other person talk, you would win the argument. But neither of them would let the other person talk. They were just screaming at each other and trying to get the insults out. They were in the exact same boat. They could have let it go and won. Neither of them could do it. they're very similar we're starting to see a lot of similarities between these two especially with

the way that they argue i don't think we're at the point now where angie's irritating i don't think we're at the point now releases irritating we have questions about things that she says and we'll probably get to the same point with angie if she continues down this path it's very evenly matched it's way more evenly matched than we would have thought a couple years ago let's just enjoy it because it's going to get chaotic yeah and we'll actually end it with this one just to to put a cherry on top of your point right there from maxy v 374 who won the fight angie or lisa neither us that was a wash the viewers at home won we won because we had a great episode yeah and as far as where it goes from here that's the beautiful thing about what this episode does

is it's not to me taking shape of oh my god we're going to keep doing this shit over and over again this is taking shape of okay now we're going to split up and we're going to talk through what the hell's going on with each person with angie with lisa we might get some more information on both sides before we see them come back together we're going to see angie having to repair other friendships because of her tirade we just got five to ten potential storylines out of one episode all of which are viable options that's rare rare is shit so this was a master class as i said in the intro a master class on a housewives episode this is why salt lake reign supreme If you disagree, you're just wrong.

You're simply just wrong. So enjoy what we have. As Shooter said, so well, revel in it because this is, this is the Great White Buffalo. This shit does not happen. So let's take advantage. Soak it all in, everybody, because if shooter also is correct, that might have been the pinnacle. And we are downhill from here. Yeah.

Let's hope up wrong. I think you're wrong. We're in the glory days. It's just for the first time ever we know it. So pay attention. That's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. That's our show. Bros. Got to go. Hi there. Fred Greenhald here.

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