Bros & Shows - Lisa Barlow on Trial and Cucumbers Below Deck (Part 1 of 2)(RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

What's up Bros? What an episode. The still of LB sitting at the end of the dock is art. In part one of our recap, the ladies head to the yacht to join the Below Deck crew w/ Captain Jason. Bronwyn is joining later as she is figuring out how to handle the recent headlines. The other ladies are curious about it as well. Heather has had it with LB and trying to defend her and it feels like the rest of the ladies are too. They discuss Lisa without her present to try and figure out how they want to deal with the situation. Is she the one behind all the rumors and nastiness? Brittani shows off her Jared voiced stuffed animal and the Below Deck crew is on a side quest to figure out who owns this cucumber... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm sure we're going to jinx it at some point because of the high lauding that we're doing for this show. But I will say this. This may be one of the best seasons I've ever seen thus far. I think they missed an opportunity by not having the below-deck version of this episode right after. Oh, they didn't? No. Yeah. What do they do?

Come on, Bravo. I gotta have me My Bros and Shows Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always

by the one and only Shooter Stu Gooder. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. Stooder. Damn it. Fuck, it was right there.

Head Stooder. Yeah, that could work. I don't know. I'll work on it. Yeah, it's okay. They're on the boat for next episode. I think they're on the boat for next episode.

episode too, yeah. Not a lot. This is just... Oh, update, quick update. This is episode seven. Thank you. Because I actually went back. I had the time and I just scrolled through Peacock and it went, one, this is infuriating, by the way. The last two episodes, I'll just summarize it this way. The last three episodes actually in a row are of Roslich. Before that, it's watch what happens live episode. Watch what happens live, episode. Why they don't do it anymore and why they didn't go back and remove those. It's because of us. You're welcome.

It's because of us. So I think from here on out will probably be okay because they still do have people from Salt Lake on Watch What Happens Live afterwards. They're just not implementing it into the season for whatever reason they were doing that before. But yes, we are on episode seven because I got scared. It's at 11. Yeah.

And that's the problem. As you look and then it's like, okay, well, that sucks because we're almost done. Yeah. Really, we're not even halfway through, but they keep trying to shove watch what happens live in there. Look, I like Watch What Happens Live. Okay. I do.

But we don't need to be padding ratings by fucking up the number system, especially for people like Shooter and I, because that kind of thing, we will get stuck on that until it changes or we will complain about it for the rest of our lives. Yeah. And here's the thing, too, if we're watching on Peacock, like, if I have time, I immediately just go right from the episode to watch what happens live. Because it's on an app and I know how to do it. If you're somebody who doesn't use Peacock, then this would be for them, you know what I mean? where it's, you know, the people that aren't really into using apps or whatever. You're not peacocky. You're going to be able to just watch it,

and then immediately after Watch What Happens Live starts. And you're like, okay, cool, I didn't have to do anything. But the people that are using the app don't need that. And it's just ruining us. It's doom and gloom. That's what it is. And I refuse to be doomed and gloomed during such a tremendous season. So I'm glad that hopefully it's rectified.

Maybe they can go back and take the other episodes out, put them where they belong. But at least we're moving in the right direction. We are moving in the right direction. Captain Jason's here. Captain Jason is there, which is, you know, it's always a delight to see him. It's always a delight to be on one of those boats. I always forget because we don't watch Below Deck a lot. That's the funny thing is all day on Monday.

I don't even know what day it is today. Monday or Tuesday, I watched a lot of Below Deck Med. Oh, nice. Because Joe Bradley, the other Joe Bradley came back. Nice. And I probably have about four or five episodes of that season under my belt. So I am somewhat astute when it comes to the boating. Stu?

Astute, yeah. A stew. Get it? Like stew. Yeah. That was the joke. Yeah, like beef stew. Yeah, exactly.

The thing about Below Deck, no matter when you jump back into it, it's always entertaining. It's always entertaining. And you really don't need to, like, understand what's going on. No. There's familiar faces all over the place. There's going to be new faces every season. Chef Ben is back, dude. I was so stoked.

I know. Yeah, Chef Ben's back. And let's just talk about this real quick. the really bad guests that they have on below deck don't even remotely compare to Housewives. Pale in comparison. It is like the one med episode that I was watching is this guy who's a vegan

who demanded to see the chef because he demands creativity from the chef for vegan food. And I can't remember the chef's name. Damn it, it's going to bother me. He's like some rock star guy. Either way. Yeah. Yeah, good job. Either way, that's the most that they really have to deal with.

was just carnage from start to finish. I mean, I've seen some pretty bad guests. Who was it, Johnny Damon. That one's, have you seen that one? Oh, yeah, Johnny Damon, yeah. Woof, that was a disaster. So I don't know. We always have that one rewatch that we did

where the second episode that got removed and we're like, what the hell happened here? I forgot about that one. Yeah, that's when we were doing our, what was that for? We were just doing a little below deck. I think we're just doing like a rewatch because there wasn't that much on.

That's exactly what it was. It was during a lull in the summer and we just needed some more content out there, so we decided to do a below-deck re-watch. And we just so happened to stumble upon one of the worst ones, I guess, where they had to remove the episode. It's like the second episode of the series. We were so confused.

We're like, wait, this skipped. Yeah. Skip, a very quick Google search will tell you why. Yeah. And some not great shit happened on that boat. But a lot of great shit happened on this boat. And what I was saying was I always forget how beautiful these yachts are. Oh, yeah.

When they get to the boat, I'm like, oh, my God, that's a fucking, that's a yacht. It's also perfect, too, and I don't think that Angie and Lisa really planned on this at all. I mean, maybe I do wonder what goes into like the briefing of this is what's going to happen this season as far as your trips go, because I'm never really sold that they're completely surprised when Heather pops up and says, oh, by the way, we're going on a yacht with Captain Jason. They must have an idea that it's going to happen. But we did talk about Lisa being on a yacht with her poster boards. And we did talk about how Lisa thinks that Angie's never been on a yacht, which this is why here's. your little side-by-side comparison of Lisa and Angie. Lisa going to her confessional and throwing shade saying, well, Angie wouldn't know what a hit her even if she was on a yacht.

Angie immediately walking in, I've never been on a yacht before. I'm really excited. Authenticity. That's all we've really asked for. That's why people like her so much. And that's why Lisa Barlow's stock is, I would argue, plummeting. Yeah. It's not a great look. And it's not one of those seasons, and I might be out here on an island with this one. But damn it, I don't care. It's not one of those seasons where she, is bearing the brunt of all of this shit and she's coming out looking okay. Like a lot of times we see people

get piled up on and they end up actually looking better than the pile uppers. Yeah. That's not happening with Lisa. I would argue what we've seen in the last couple of years yes, she has been piled up on at times but usually her reaction

to the piling up and even if it's not really an actual dog pile on top of her, she still reacts as if it's like suffocating and everything's going on and then she starts hurling insults. But I would say for this one in particular, I think you're right, because what we're doing now is we have evidence. We have a long train, a long history of events, a pattern that we've now kind of keyed in

on when it comes to Lisa Barlow. And you have Heather and Whitney sitting down having very normal conversations, bringing in a Meredith, trying to put the pieces together, but they already kind of know what's going on. So really what they're doing is just kind of calling her out on her shit. And I love, the way that Heather goes about it later is so goddamn funny. Yeah, that's great. Because she tries to do it from like a being a good friend here.

I know. No, you're not. And we'll get on it and all that. But I don't really think that this is an old-fashioned's like unnecessary pile on. I agree. That gets annoying. I think that this is, it's like 80% holding Lisa accountable for things that she just needs to address. And if she's not the culprit, then say that you're not the culprit in a common normal way.

she's incapable of doing that. So that's really what she's doing. She's shooting herself in the foot because I do think, and we've seen Lisa get out of these before, this season's different. Whatever reason she's rattled so quickly. She gets rattled.

She gets pre-rattled. Yeah, she's guilty, but she gets pre-rattled. I know. And that's not a good look. She's prattled. Prattled. Yeah, we've never seen L.B.

rattled before, but it's pretty. Spencer Prattler. Spencer Prattler. She's getting Spencer braddled. Holy shit, that works so well. Yeah, that was really good. Well done. There's a couple people, too.

Spencer Pratt, Spence, Spencer Rattler. Anybody that knows Spencer Prattler or where that came from. Yep. You get it. Yeah. You guys get it.

But let's get into this episode. It might take a minute to break this bad boy down because a lot happens in the small confines of that yacht. I love to start out and I love production in Salt Lake. They always go the cinematic route with things and it always works. And you get the Mayday, Mayday call from Captain Jason. Someone's been thrown overboard. And we get this floating stuffed animal.

that we don't have any context for until later. Just hear the voice. It's like, I love you. Oh, no. Good night. You are love. And then they do like the, and it's like, hmm, what the fuck is that thing?

But let's get to the airport. Watching Mary struggle with her bags is a staple of trips now. Every time we show up anywhere, Mary has issues with her bags. So I hope they continue that for the rest of this show. And we find out that Bronwyn is not going to make it. Now, we knew this was coming. We know that she's facing some stuff that's been leaked

into the news, leaked into the press, or she's dealing with that. We obviously talked a lot about Todd's reaction to it, you know, saying that maybe you shouldn't go on this trip. So we knew that she went on it, right? We knew she showed up later. We knew she showed up on it, but I understand why she did it because when I think it was Heather that was explaining their day of travel, they're going from Salt Lake to Newark, from Newark down to like Fermuda.

Bermuda to Ken. Yeah, so it's a long-ass flight. And I guarantee you the problem I probably just took direct. she got like a private jet or something Todd just paid for whatever and she went straight to Bermuda yeah without a doubt I imagine that's what she did and also if you were with the women on that struggle bus if you will you're gonna have to answer in the air in the air no not doing any of that I actually really appreciate this wait until we get there and don't be sitting on pins and needles the entire time hoping that somebody doesn't bring it up like a

brittney yeah just gonna like come up in the middle of the flight and it's like they're taking a red eye maybe and it's three a m we're taking a red eye yeah and brittney comes over and like peeks in like, hey, do you want to talk about this? Like, no, no. I don't want to talk about this right now. Let's sit in the bathroom to the plane. So this is, I think, best case scenario, whether it's producers or Bronwyn doing it, I don't care. It doesn't matter because this is how it should play out. Well, it's a smart move on her part, and it's a good move for us at home because we want this to come out and be discussed at the right time. Yeah, the right setting. On the boat with everybody. Correct. So it was a good move, and 15 hours later, they arrive in Canawan. Before we even

talked about anything it was very noticed this island looks different than other islands yeah everything's developed all the houses are really fucking nice like it's when i looked at i was like oh i don't vacation in places like this turns out as lisa knows obviously and this doesn't help with her allegations this season of you know fraud and maybe not having what she says before i just chalked it up to she's wealthy and she loves wealthy things but now these little comments are starting to add up. And she's like, isn't this where the billionaires hang out? It's like, yeah, it is.

And I was like, oh, okay, well, that makes sense for the island. But I'm also taking note of that. I'll bring that back up again later. But this one intrigued me. I messaged Heather because we've been back and forth playing phone tag with Heather for two years now. And she wants to come on the show. We've been trying to get her on the show.

Every time it works out scheduling-wise, Bravo shuts it down. She really hasn't even been on any shows because of the way that they've been filming after the monica season was actually the end of the monica season was when we were on watch what happens live with her. It was that season finale. So we saw her that night. They weren't allowing her to do any interviews because the reunion was airing and all this was just dropping. And then as soon as the reunion was over, they went right back into filming. They had a month. I think she said that they picked up at the end of February and it was January. So there was nothing in there. We weren't allowed to do interviews. Then obviously you're not allowed to do

any interviews while you're filming. So they've just been nonstop. Honestly, when you think about it, The Salt Lake schedule has been pretty grueling. Yeah, it has, but I'm going to do this, okay? Do this. I'm going to post it. Heather, we're ready for you to come on the show, so I'm going to message you again, and let's figure this out. I'm going to call you out on Instagram to make this happen.

You're going to post that? I'm posting this. I'm posting this and tagging out. Hell of a post. I'm sure it's going to work. What could possibly go wrong? Okay, let's get back to Canawan. Captain Jason, we get a little rundown on,

And this was interesting. And when she brought it up here, she didn't reference any canoodling or anything of that nature. But my head, obviously, was going somewhere else because she said Captain Jason and I, when Whitney and I were out in Australia, we hung out with Captain Jason. We hung out for a week. But the way she said that made it seem like Heather hung out with Captain Jason. Now, was this during the weird Whitney Teresa Judey's trip to Australia that we didn't really know about? Probably, yes.

Yeah, I would imagine that correlates. That's where my head went right away. Yeah, my head went to, did they boink? Yeah, yeah, fair. And we get some more info on that later. We're not sure. But anyway, let's get to the boat. We're on the yacht.

I forget what it's called, but we get to meet all the stews. Mike, I believe his name was, the British fella. Is that a toupee? I think it might be a toupee. That was a strong look. Which is an odd thing to do on a yacht, because one, the winds you're a little high when you're moving if you're out there. If he's interior, because I don't know anything about this other than really

Captain Jason and I guess Daisy to some extent. But I mean, if you're, you know, doing the deck and it's windy or rainy and wet, do you really want to have a toupee? I don't know. My other question is if it is a weird British haircut. If it is a tube. Yep. Okay.

As people call it. Right. Well, I go for that one. You know, you have the freedom if you are a tupe person. I would rather... honestly, I would rather try to break down the psychology behind being on Love Island than try to figure out why pick a tube. Okay.

Why? Because I can't imagine what goes into that. I mean, look, I get it. You ever seen a good tube? I'm not sure. Yeah, you probably haven't, didn't know it. That would be the best, honestly. That's the best kind of tube.

I'm not shaming or shading anyone that wears a tube. But if it's a bad tube, you are. It's a bad tube. It's not even shade because it's your decision. I do dumb shit with my hair all the time. I'm not shaming them. It's just a question. Like, okay.

It's better for sunlight, like UV rays when you get your scalp burnt. Do you think it's better to have a Tupon because it actually has better coverage? Yeah, it's like completely covers. It's like, you know, SPF 100. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm just thinking in a role like this, if you ever gets called out, what am I supposed to do? Be bald?

I can't wear a hat in the crew. And I'm going to get sunburn on my head. Oh, maybe that's why he's too. Okay. All right. Smart move then. I don't even know if he's stupid it. I don't either.

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He knows exactly what he's doing. He knows who he is now. Honestly, since, and that's the funny thing, is there's a lot of avid below deck watchers, but once that, I think it was two Bravo cons ago, maybe the first one back in Vegas, when he came out and everybody was just obsessed with him. That's when you started to notice a little bit of a, yeah, I'm going to be kind of directed about. That's when people were getting bricked up for Captain Jason. Now everyone's been fully bricked for like a year and a half.

Yeah. And he knows. He knows what he's doing. He knows. These are the comments, though, and they're starting to add up for me when LB goes to a confession about the yacht she's like just say yacht anything she's getting too excited to do rich people stuff yeah you know what i mean to actually be a rich person you know what i mean i know exactly that that that's starting to add up she's got that like split of yes i know what i'm doing here i know

the lingo because i've been on a yacht before and i'm also really excited and can't contain myself yeah you would imagine if it was more so the first one that's more in line with elisa that i know but if she can't contain her excitement that tells me you haven't been on a yacht since that picture that we saw where you guys were super far away with you and your loving husband. That picture also looks like when, you know, you can go down to the Naval Yard in Philly and there's like boats that are no longer in use and you can go on the tour boat. Yeah, they have a drone that just flies up and takes a picture of it now. That's, it gives that.

Like, you can walk onto that yacht and take a picture if you'd like, then get the fuck off. But it, I don't know. It's like a day trip yacht. Yeah. Yeah. You know, which that's not the same thing. Still expensive. Sure.

But, you know, probably not worth it. I was going to chalk that up to a waste of money. Yeah, definitely a waste of money. Well, depends on the event. They're all kind of, this is a different conversation, but I feel like all yachting is a waste of money.

Even that. Yeah, but you know what they say? Best two days of owning a boat. Buying a boat and selling it. That's what they say. My point with the owning of the yacht is you probably have enough money where it doesn't fucking matter.

So then it's not a waste of money. Then you just... Unless your boat poor. I bet a lot of people probably are. Probably, do you think there's more boat poor people or house poor people? I think you'd have to do a percentage. Yeah.

You know, because obviously more people own homes. A percentage of boat poor versus house poor. Yeah. I think it's way higher boat poor. I would imagine it's probably higher boat poor, yeah. Yeah, because, and also return on investment with a boat is non-existent. I had a really weird thought, though, as I was driving into work today,

because I noticed there weren't that many Halloween decorations out, and it really bothered me. I chalked it up to everybody's house poor, and they can't afford decorations anymore. Just drive around my neighborhood. Everyone had their shit up. Your neighborhood's great, which I fully appreciate, but, yeah, I was driving through various neighborhoods. Look, Halloween's one of those, this is a crazy tangent. Yeah, we've gone off. One of those, one of those holidays where it's like, yeah, I mean, religiously, it doesn't really matter unless you have a problem with, like, pagans for 1400s, which is ridiculous to me.

Insane. Like, just let your kids dress up for Halloween. People to burn candy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But, like, you don't have decorations up? What are we doing? I don't know. Not even fall decorations.

Like, put some pumpkins out there or nothing? Yeah, we got the tombstones in our front yard. everybody's house poor probably this economy in this economy yep all right anyway back on track we'll try not to do that again uh try we'll try our best but like you said with angie going into her confession like first time so excited i'm like great good thank you for being normal mm-hmm is she excited though after this episode i don't know yeah she's a good she's a good sport though always now and brittney is ecstatic because she has a smorgas borg Schmorgas Borg of men to choose from.

So she's very confusing when it comes to dudes. She didn't say smorg or smorg. Schmorga-smorg. Let's talk rooms. We got Heather and Whitney, L.B. and Meredith, Mary and Angie, and then Bronwyn and Brittany, which I just wrote, oof, that's going to be tough. Yeah, somebody had to draw the short straw. Yeah, but I don't know.

Both, honestly, because Bronwyn's going to be in the, well, you would think Brahman's going to be in the middle of a lot of shit. So somebody's going to have to be with Brahman while she's going through that. but also somebody has to root with Brittany. Who better than Brittany to be your shoulder to cry on? But we get an update about Jared along the way. They're in a 30-day break. It just took a psychic medium telling you that you're being a terrible mother for you to finally snap out of it.

Or it's one of those things where like, I don't know, like you're going to a country. Say you're a vapor or something. Like you vapor or smoke cigarettes or whatever. A vapor? Yeah, that's what they call people in those circles, me, you know, in there. You're going to. a country that doesn't allow those things

you know what my break starts right now that's kind of what's going on here with Brittany she's like you know what my break starts right now because I'm going away and I can't see him for at least I don't know how long they're there I can't vape on his penis for 30 days she can't vape on his penis so now she has I'm going to stop myself before I start going into

a potential penis on that stuffed animal no whose fucking cucumber was that I don't know Jared's probably wait a minute no there's a little side pocket that goes into the stuffed animal and you can put the no but I think that the the animal and the cucumber were both gifted via Jared for specific reasons that's a possibility you I just love that that was the side quest of the crew for the

boat the whole time such a blow deck thing it's just incredible it's like yeah we've got a real crossover episode here we're going to give you the majority of it as housewives but also look what the crew's up to yeah this is fucking cucumber is this I I I had the same thought process. You had to get that bitch through customs. That's the thing, too, is production could easily tell us who it is, but I'm so happy they didn't. No, don't let us know. I want this to keep going for the remainder of the boat trip.

I do like this rule that we are enforcing, no, especially considering that that 30-day break started, and then he came over to, quote, unquote, help pack. Help. He helped pack something. Yeah, sure. But anytime Jared's mentioned from here on out, we get water poured on her. Meredith pours water on her immediately. And I also thought I was like, all right, cool. Took that in stride.

These are good vibes to start this trip out. Who took that in stride? Meredith or Brittany? Okay. I would say that Meredith took that in stride. I think they both. She was kind of funny. Yeah, she was like excited to pour water on her.

Brittany was like, oh my gosh. So fun. We're having fun. Brittany now thinks that Meredith and her are sisters. Oh, she thinks that they are best friends forever now. Yeah. Yeah, which I got a lot to say later. Bronwyn pulls up, and I like that Heather sets the tone, hey, let's take it easy.

We'll get into this at some point, but that's not all jumped down her throat. It's a little weird. Bronwyn's obviously hesitant. She's got Todd's words on repeat in her head, and she's obviously concerned that they've been talking shit about her already. So pulling up in that fit, too, wow, I know we do costumes a lot. That was a crossover costume to fashion, F-A-S-H-U-N. So, before we move forward, resident fashionista shooter Magouter, what do we think about the fit? I think because she did admit that it was half and half costume fashion, I'm okay with that.

Okay. Fully fine with it. The one problem that I have with it, you already wore it. Yeah, I know. And you already have it on Instagram. No, what are we doing? I don't wear it on the show. You're rich.

You just get something else. Get a different color. That's it. If you really liked it, just get a different color. Or get one with floaties on the arms instead. Yeah, something like that. No, that would have been a good pivot. I took note of this immediately, and we didn't even get to the table yet.

But Lisa speaking up and going, you know, she's got a lot in her plate, like with trying to retaliate and this, I was like, what, what do you mean trying to retaliate? Why are we getting down into that now? No one said anything yet. No one said anything about that. Lisa also trying to throw shade about what I just said, which is fine, you know, wearing a different costume or wearing something that you already wore and posted on Instagram. That's fine, too.

Just didn't hit because it just seems like she's grasping at straws at this point. She's trying very hard to paint other people as a villain. And again, this is, I think, the biggest problem with the group and Lisa is Brahman and her sat down. That was a very good job by Brahman, a very authentic apology, a very let's move forward type of situation. And Lisa's still sitting there like, oh, yeah, she's probably trying to retaliate. She's going to do something. And I ask, retaliate for what? What did you do to Bromwood?

Right. Because all we know is, yeah, you start talking about the gout dick sucker thing. You tried to point things out while you were doing your presentation, but otherwise, you guys apologize. So what is she retaliating for? I don't know, but that's where questions start in, because she keeps forcing the questions by saying stupid shit like that. My favorite part of this scene is, because they're standing on the rail, like, quietly talking,

and Brittany is to the left. I believe it's Lisa Meredith Brittany. Yeah. There's somebody in between Brittany and Lisa, and Brittany goes around. that middle person goes she goes yeah we we both know stuff and it's such a like hey Lisa hey Lisa we both know stuff right bestie hey hey hey and Lisa like that's the thing is that's where I think it could all come crumbling is Brittany is what it's Brittany because Lisa can't keep her mouth shut I know and if Britney's the only person that's really talking to you right now because I get

the vibe that Meredith and her aren't really talking I think they're talking but I think that's very very surface level incredibly service level doesn't want to poke any Lisa needs someone to be on the phone with for hours. And I think that could be Brittany. That's why Brittany thinks that she's sisters with her, because, oh, my God, she calls me all the time. Lisa just needs to talk. She just has, like, she has to hit a certain word count a day.

And John just walks away from her at this point. So let me call Brittany. I bet you she said a couple things here and there. And if Brittany lets something slip, which she will, that could be the final now in the coffin, which would be hilarious. Ooh, that's a really, really good theory. I'm on board with that one, for sure. So let's get to Brittany and Bronwyn's room.

And we meet the stuffed animal that Jared gave her. At least he didn't have a name. Again, good night, baby. You're so loved. Even the way he talks. Say, I love you. Yeah. I mean, don't send this.

Actually, no, no, that's strategic. You're so love. It's not I love you. Uh-huh. You're right. That was intentional. God, he's such a dick. I fucking, why?

Just why. I feel like the show is making it worse. because now he thinks he is somebody. He used to be the Z-level Osmond. And now he thinks he's like the B-level Osmond. He's not. You're actually worse off, but I hate that it's giving him false confidence.

This false bravado. Yeah. Boo. It doesn't really matter that the rest of the group is pouring water on her when she says your name. She's still saying her name. That's all he cares. And they're now saying her name.

He probably, no, I'm not going to say that. That's gross. Ew. He probably jerks off to watching them talk about him on the show. I wouldn't be surprised. I couldn't hold it back. I'm so sorry, everybody. He does the Patrick Bateman,

and he's having sex with probably somebody else, not Brittany, but watching Salt Lake City. Watching Salt Lake City, his scenes on repeat and a mirror behind it. So, yeah, it's definitely the Patrick Bateman move, for sure. Now, in Bronwyn and Brittany's room, Britney's the worst person that we could have with Bronwyn first to intro into this conversation. Because even the way that she talked,

maybe not because she's so unseen. Yeah. No, I wasn't going to say that she's unsurious. I'm going to say that there's no chance in hell that Brahman's going to broach that subject with her. No, okay. So at least it's almost, it's kind of an icebreaker. I guess. Like, hey, at least it indicates to Brahmin, like we've already

talked about this. So it kind of confirms that we've already talked about this. So she knows, all right, I'm going to have to deal with this at some point. Maybe I get ahead of it now. But I'm certainly not going to talk to Brittany about it. That makes sense. I think it actually works pretty well. That's not a bad point. And just the way that she intros into it, where were you?

Yeah. So where were you? Yeah, where happened? It's so accusatory. It's like, what'd you do? And Robin gives like run-of-the-mill answer. It's like, look, someone's planning stories. She's like, you think that's happening?

Yeah, obviously. This doesn't happen by chance. No. And we already know the allegations are like grand theft, grand theft, auto, larceny, or I don't even know. That's some like pretty serious felony charges that are allegedly charged to her years ago, years prior. It gets more confusing later, yeah.

Yeah, but the stories have changed multiple times. We've actually seen the stories change as the news kept coming out. The allegations kept changing. The timeline was very confusing. So it all screams. Something happened at some point, but now we're just getting a lot of speculation. It tells me that whatever the sealed file is only partially got disclosed. Not even.

It was just the penal code that was used against her. So then it's just speculation, Jason, after that. I couldn't even speak. That's a tough one, yeah. Speculation Station. There we go. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much all we're dealing with at this point.

And I mean, it's a good and bad thing, obviously, because you could just say, somebody got to this, tried to release it. It didn't actually come all out. So you can't confirm it. That's not bad. Brittany's like, we're all wondering if it's true because it's all public record. It's like, it's not. It's not. We know it's not.

I think the whatever happened with her college. The eviction was. The eviction is public record. But this big one that's, that's. sealed is not public record and she gets ahead of it right here she's like look i got evicted 20 years ago there's a case 10 plus years ago that used this old penal code that referenced which you know they referenced the penal code it can be a litany of things that fall under that umbrella so we really won't find this one out unless she divulges it and i think she'd be in breach of something

because it's a sealed case yeah i don't know the rules we're not lawyers but anyway she's obviously upset that they've been discussing without her there and she just needed some time to figure it out. This is when we get intro to the cucumber, little side scene, a little side quest by the below deck crew, and that takes us to lunch. I thought we were going to heat up at lunch. We didn't that much. Not that much. We start dipping toes into what we're going to talk about later. And poor Angie is just vomiting left and right, cannot get a handle on it, but she's still showing up the things, still trying. I love Angie, especially after that wife swap. She's one of my favorite housewives ever, I think.

Yeah. But we immediately ask Bronwyn. Whitney goes, hey, are you okay? She goes through the Todd thing. Look, Todd was upset. Didn't want me to come on this trip because clearly that this group has been discussing things, whatever, and Meredith brings it up. It's like, look, give us the rundown.

It's a few years to 20 years back. Just clear it up right now. Yeah. Which I actually like that. I love the way Meredith went about it. She said, yeah, I mean, obviously there are a lot of serious charges. and I'm imagining that it's probably not as serious as it looks. So here you go.

That's the best way to intro something, honestly, especially of this caliber. And for Meredith to say that, it's like, good for you. Look at you checking in. You did something. Clock it in here. Oh, yeah. No, it was a great move, great setup. And she says, look, I was kicked out of my apartment 20 years ago when I got kicked out of

BYU. I left, that's what it was. I left my apartment 20 years ago when I got kicked out of the school, didn't pay my last month's rent, so I got evicted. That's all. Which makes total sense that a 19-year-old pregnant that just left school. For meeting her mom and understanding what she was going through with her family while she was pregnant. Yeah.

That's the least of our worries. Rent seems the bottom of the list of things to be concerned about. But it does prove that someone's digging into shit because why would this guy? Even Meredith says that. She's like, that's weird. That's a very, see, that's where I think that because it's a public record because it's a very easily attainable thing. I didn't really see much of an issue with that. And I don't really want to peg a certain housewife to that one saying,

that they were digging it up. Because that just seems like Bravo Blogger, like, 101. Yeah, and that's just go public record search, Brahman, Newport, Brahman, whatever her name was before all of this started, wouldn't she changed it, whatever it may have been, let's see what happens here. And then this pops up. And it's like, okay, let's put this out there. She's a housewife.

That's like, okay, yeah. Yeah, and then for the big one, you didn't get a whole lot of explanation. It sounds like something must have happened because she said that she cooperated with authorities. Correct. But it was against the business, not against her specifically. she was never named in any charges. She was never charged with anything in particular.

Even on the police record, like her name's not on it. It's whatever business she was, I don't know if she owned it, affiliated with it. I don't know what the fuck happened. I don't know too because I don't know how long ago her and Todd got together. This seems to predate Todd. That's what I get the vibe that it predates Todd and I think we could probably figure that out pretty quickly. She did say it was like 10 years old at least. Now the question that comes in the play is the timeline, of course.

Because every single person that spoke up had a different time frame. Yeah. Heather's sitting right next to her, and she's like, yeah, apparently it happened, what, like, four years ago? Meredith said 10 years ago. Bramond kind of says about... A few years ago. Yeah, and Bramond says it was probably about 10 years ago. So, and Bramond's 40, so this puts her in her 20s somewhere.

I think it predates Todd. I would imagine it predates Todd. Maybe it's a little bit of a crossover, and maybe Todd helped. But either way, the way that she's... Yeah, I know. point. The way that she's explaining it was a little confusing, but this actually might be, and we might have to sound an alarm for this one, this actually might be something that they can't talk about. No, I know. It genuinely might be something that a housewife cannot talk about

because it's a sealed record and because she's not the only party involved. Here's what I think happened. And I agree with you there. This is the first time this actually seems feasible that they can't discuss it at all. It sounds like their company, she was in the same business as Todd, Not the same company, but the same business. I think something or someone, this is 100% speculative. But I believe that somebody in her company was probably embezzling funds, doing some shady shit, laundering money, I don't know. And then she probably, because she was at some tier of the company, was probably brought in

for questioning, cooperated with the authorities, gave them some info about what was happening behind the scenes. And she was expunged, her name was expunged from all of it. I mean, the fraud thing would come up right away. The identity theft thing was interesting, but if it's not her, it could be maybe somebody putting grand larceny. It could be a car under the company's name, but under someone else's name, there's your identity theft, there's your identity fraud.

And then they ended up using the car or stealing the car, there's her grand larceny. So, like, all of these things seem pretty feasible. Yeah. And if she's implicating just the company and saying, yeah, I was part of that and I have to talk about it, that makes sense to me that she's. one, wouldn't be able to talk about it, and two, all of those things just kind of come up pretty easily under that same penal code. Yep. So, again, we're not lawyers, but...

I think we just figured it out, though. We can figure that out pretty quickly, then it seems like it's pretty truthful. We are journalists, too, though. Yeah, we are. We're pretty intuitive people. We refuse to look at schedules of when things are coming out. Yeah, we can speculate all we want. Because we're so intuitive, we believe that we can predict when shows come out.

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headlines all over these tabloid media outlets, and her husband is a very powerful business man. This is probably a shitty look. I took that as like Meredith doing the, like the James Franco meme where she's got the noose around her neck saying first time. Oh, first time. Yeah, because, like, most housewives who have been on this show for a long time, you go through the ringer. People release things all the time. There's lawsuits from your past that come back up.

So I think it was just kind of like a, I don't want to say tone deaf, but around there, saying like, hey, first time? Yeah. We really, what's the issue here? Is that the ballad of Buster Scruggs? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was actually pretty good. I like that.

And here's where Lisa, unprovoked, completely buries her. yourself. This was the guiltiest presentation I think I've ever seen. This is worse than the poster boards. Yeah, it was. She's like, look, nobody would do that. Nobody. Not one person would do this to anybody here. I don't think it's weird that you dug things on me and like, for retaliation purposes. I don't think that that's at all what's going. And don't spin this on me. Okay. Don't you dare spin this on me. What the fuck just happened? Yeah. What are you doing? We didn't even get to the part where Brom went accused anybody in the group. No. She was alluding to it in not even really like yet yeah she was kind of alluding to it sort of sort

sort of like i could see but that's guilty conscience you that's all it is you could connect the dots for sure but in doing so you would make yourself look pretty guilty yeah hello this was the weirdest move ever this this screams i'm the one behind it yeah and she continues to do it the entire time and i thought that Bronwyn handled it perfectly because now's not the time and she knows it's not the time. So she just placates the whole thing. She's like, look, I didn't say anybody. I know that after Amy's, it's certainly intensified, and that was kind of weird, but doesn't name anybody in particular. And she's like, look, I sat down with Lisa to clear the air and I thought we were good. And then it intensified. I'm just saying it would be devastating, devastating

if it came out that she was behind it. It's a great way to point a finger without actually pointing a finger, especially when the person you're pointing the finger at would just start saying, all of this nonsense. She's like, who dug things up on me? I don't know, Lisa, probably somebody in retaliation for you digging shit up on them. This whole thing is just, it's laying your playbook out. And it was very funny to watch too, because we do know after watching Bromwin and her confessionals and honestly watching Heather and Whitney talk about it, that she does suspect that Lisa was the one who did it, of course. We all suspect it too. But she again was not pointing the finger. She was, if Lisa allowed her to talk, which is a huge if.

nowadays. If you allowed her to talk, she wasn't actually saying it was you. She was saying I would be heartbroken if I found out that it was you or any of you. That's pretty much going to be the end of the statement, but you're already convinced that she's going to finger you. So, yeah, you didn't like that one? No, can we use different phrasing? Yeah, I'm going to point at you. Yeah, no, she's going to finger you for the crime. Okay. Is that better? Yeah, I do like that better. Thank you for, yeah, for amending that one. Add a little prepositional phrase at the end there, make it more comfortable. But either way, if

Lisa allowed her to talk, it would have been okay. And then you would at least, this is my problem with Lisa, you would have some time to collect your thoughts. Instead, you're just, you open your mind and everything comes out. She's prattled. You're pre-rattled. It's a problem. And by leaving

the conversation, saying to anyone who's within earshot, that got spun, that got spun. By you. You spun it. You are the spinner. That's stupid. This was so dumb. This was one of the dumber scenes I think I've seen. Well, at the end of it, when they're getting ready

to go into the ocean, do you catch what Lisa and Heather were talking about? No. Lisa was trying to say, this whole thing is so fucked up and Heather smiles and she goes, yeah, you're so fucked up and walked away. I didn't hear that. Heather was already laying the groundwork. Heather's already convinced and knows what she's getting

into later that night. She just wasn't getting involved right there. No, and you can see there's props to Brahmin here too. For both things, we'll talk about hers later. But in this situation, again, you're not really you know what Lisa's going to do and she kind of has Lisa figured out at least this version of Lisa

where you know I'm not really telling you that you're doing this but I'm going to let you talk anyway because you're kind of burying yourself I'm going to let it happen. We saw that at the apology thing we saw that at Amy the Socialites Party we've seen this whole new version

of Brahmin handling Lisa she's going to bury herself which is what we said about Angie and Lisa fighting last time like if you just let her go she's going to say something that's going to implicate herself so just let it happen everybody kind of figured that out

And again, Heather kind of flipping gives them so much more power. And they're not afraid of Lisa. No, that's the thing. That's the big takeaway here is this group is no longer fearful of Lisa Barlow. They've reached the point where they're just fed up and they want some answers. That's a bad place for her to be, especially when the group is also figuring out, like you just said, they're figuring out how to handle it. Don't talk. Let her talk.

She will do the job for you. Just say enough just to get her rattled and then just see what she says. Yeah, set it up and she'll knock it down. let's get to the water fun we're just having some aquatic time and poor angie is again what a fucking trooper she's trying her best but she's literally holding on to somebody's leg i don't know i don't think that was captain jason i'm not sure but she's holding on to uh gentleman's leg throwing up i don't know how to say his name jo a joe j o a joe yeah it's a portuguese name i think um joe joe i'm gonna say joe okay if we got that wrong i apologize but that's who it was

I love Brittany who has set her sights on Jason she's like locked in to try to get this man and watching her and Heather sit there well Heather's clearly drunk at this point and Brittany's like holding on to her and she's like recapping a potential hookup she's like look we're friends like yeah we fooled around

but like there's nothing there but he's like wait what he's not interested in you it's like you just met the guy yeah like you don't get jealous of Heather now but it did raise the question Question, did Heather and Captain Jason canoodle a little bit? I think maybe. Slight canoodling or full canoodling?

Slight canoodling. I think maybe a makeout. Okay. I think maybe a makeout in Australia down on here. Make out and so, oh, wait, that's a different thing. Yeah. Oh, whoa. Which down on there am I talking about?

We got it. Thank you for clarifying. Jesus. Slight canoodling? No, that, I don't know what that counts as. I'm just going to keep going. They keep changing the field goal. this one.

Yeah, they keep moving the goalposts, so changing the field goal. We are devolving. Anywho, and with Angie being such a good sport, I don't like that Lisa's like, I'm so sorry for her. Like, she's acting like her being ill is showing that she doesn't know how to act on a yacht. See, I think about it differently. I think that Lisa is very disappointed that Lisa, or that Angie is sick because she had all

of these one-liners planned and ready to go about how she's never been on a yacht before, and now she actually has to feel bad for Angie. Okay. I think that's pretty much what it is. All right, that's fair. All right. If I don't show some sort of sympathy for Angie going through this, I'm going to look like a monster, but like I got these one-liners.

Got to throw one-nil-day. She's got to get them out there. All right. I can buy that. And I love that Brittany is just going from dude to dude. The Captain Jason thing might have fallen through because Heather just said, like, I, we canood a little bit. And so she goes over to the next guy on the edge of the boat.

And she's like, oh, he's like, and he's playing. And he's like, late night later? And she's like, yeah, maybe. Yeah. Are you going to be there? Yeah. Fuck yeah. Working.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I'm in. So let's get to Bronwyn and Whitney. This is after the aquatic fun and everything. And she plays the good night baby. You are so loved. I believe it's a unicorn.

I thought this was, this is hilarious, though. Like, this is going through and saying, you're not going to believe what the fuck this is. Yeah, that's great. Well, it also shows, like, real camaraderie. Like, I like this scene. I like, that's the... It seems like Whitney and Bromwood are actual friends now.

Yeah, they're getting tight. And even Mary in Bromwell, Mary's going to be very interesting moving forward. Obviously, she kind of gets not bogged down by Angie, but she's away from everything. Bromond and Mary seem to be closer, too. I feel like that's the interesting thing with this season is Lisa's on the outs. Yeah. Everybody. But due to that, it feels like the rest of the ladies are getting closer.

And I'm not saying that Lisa is Jen Shaw. I'm not saying that at all. She's still an integral part of this show. We still need her. You're going to get in trouble. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is we're seeing her ostracization, if you will. Oh, I will.

We're seeing her ostracization. Well, he said it again. Thank you. Is having a positive effect on the group, much like when Jen Shaw was finally on the outs. We saw the rest of the group really starts to come together. That's when the show. really started to take shape. So it's just interesting to me that when you get the quote

unquote villain off to the side, it allows for the group to kind of flourish because we're seeing friendships form across the board. Even Meredith's been more pleasant lately. Yeah. So I don't know if that correlates. I don't know if it's just a coincidence, but it is interesting to me to watch all that happen. Bronwyn and Whitney say what we've already been talking about. Nobody accused her of anything, right? She just got that guilty because it was her. And Bronwyn starts putting the pieces together for us of how she got to this point. She's like, look, when you said the Alibaba stuff, that was immediately perking my ears up

because it shows that she's capable of doing this. Then I saw the nickname Conwin. Not the same. Not the same as Fraudwin. It's not the same as Fraudwin, which is what you were called originally. Could I see how... iTunes, I think.

That's the thing. Could I see how it went from Fraudwin to Conwin? Yes, I could. I think Fraudwin was in the moment. It was, let me roll this one off the time. hung and see how it goes and then later it's conwin sounds better well you also see in the name it goes from fraudwin to conwin fraud port yep so it's almost like she loved the fraud part of it so but she had to shoehorn it in there somewhere yeah so we're mounting evidence up against her

and her causing a scene at lunch didn't help brownwin saying you know if i and i think this is the most important takeaway is regardless of the outcome of this Moving forward for Lisa with a lot of people in this group, I think is going to be difficult because let's say she didn't do it. The idea that she could do it is enough for Bronwyn. The fact that she is being so scrutinized for this should cause a lot of the ladies to pause. Because, yeah, we think she did it. I think she's been doing it for years.

I think Meredith has too, by the way. I just don't think we've been able to unearth that stuff. I think it's some sort of building block of being a housewife is you have to be able to do some of these things, you just can't be that obvious. Yeah. And I think this is, maybe it's just Lisa being more and more obvious over the years. Like, we know where this is coming from.

And the way that she threatens people over the years, it kind of leads you down that path where you're bringing up things that haven't been released yet, like when she's calling, even in the beginning of the season, calling Broadwin, I almost called her fraud win there, but calling her fraud win right there in the beginning of the season before

this comes out. Oh, yeah. It's kind of weird. Yeah. And yeah, you could say, oh, I was talking about the necklace i was talking about all the things that you were lying about but it really doesn't add up and that's what she does every time yeah it's almost like she's so excited to do it but then she forgets fuck i haven't dropped that nugget i haven't released that report to somebody it's looking pretty bad yeah it really is heather joins the conversation and we know that she's obviously she's gone into this trip with this in mind i'm going to call her out on here so it's good that she joins and she lays it out too now we're just compiling evidence

together, which is great, she's like, look, every time LB's mad information leaks, she agrees, everyone there agrees, and her rundown of Lisa, I'm like, that's pretty spot on. She's smarter and darker than everybody thinks that she is. She looks up everything. She keeps a scorecard, and you know she does, because when she goes to confessional, she lays out the score for you without saying one to zero, but she's like, she did this, I did this. She's doing this. Why would you do that to me? I think the way that Heather is going about it, because I've had some time to think about it because she's been talking about it for what two, three weeks at this point. We've known that this was going to happen.

I've been a little scared about how she was going to do it if it was going to hit or not. But I think really what she's doing, it's a deep-rooted issue with something that we know Heather holds near and dear. And that's the camaraderie of the group. She wants the group to all be somewhat on the same level. Everybody should somewhat like each other and tolerate each other. But if one of you starts breaking away, like a Jen Shah, that's going to be a problem for me. and if you're going to be out there by yourself, like a Monica, that's going to be a problem for me. I like that. Heather does a good job of keeping everybody kind of tight knit.

And if somebody starts to stray, which you could say, yeah, Lisa hasn't done anything to Heather since the Good Time Girl thing, which was what, like season two. So at this point, yeah, she hasn't done anything directly. But we've seen a couple of lunches. We've seen a couple of dinners, drinks, whatever, where Lisa's just boasting about her life. And then when Heather just tries to chime in, she knocks her down too. She doesn't want that to happen. She wants everybody kind of stay in the same area.

I like that. That's a good synopsis of the whole situation. And the more evidence we get, Heather's like, look, I've seen it in real time. I saw her talking to others to gather info. And you get a clip of her and Amy at the party. And she's literally like, what do people think about problem? What do you think about Todd? It's like, these are really bad looks.

Yeah, because they social aid from Utah, Amy spent some time in the Bay Area. Probably. What do they know? No, that's what they said. Oh. She said I spent some time in the Bay Area, and that's why Lisa asked what you think about Todd. She's like, could I plead the fifth?

It's all adding up. Better, Todd's going to come after you. He will. He has a lot of money, a lot more than you. Is Todd a Utah social aid? I don't think he qualifies a social. He doesn't seem like he likes to do social things.

He goes to the ice cream parlor probably. Is that like, is that a good word? It's a fat joke. Oh, no. No. I will not partake in those. He ate her cherry.

Yeah, fuck him. That is not a euphemism. Right. No, you're gross tonight. I said it wasn't a euphemism. Implying that it could have been. Doubted. Therefore, get down. Meredith joins the conversation and Whitney gives her the whole rundown.

Meredith, she's in such a Meredith mode right now. She's slurring all her words. Doing what she always does. She's like, I think engaging with the press is in an inappropriate way is bad. She's doing her best to say, I agree with you guys. Get her in OC right now. She would do wonders in OC.

But she's saying, more or less, I agree with all of you. But I'm not going to fully co-sign any of this. Which is hilarious, because we all knew that when she said that. Yeah. And yet Heather and Whitney still expected her to step up. I know. What? Right?

Like, the way that she's going about this is she's agreeing with you. I'm so disappointed that Meredith didn't step up when we needed her. Why do you think she would? We knew she would. Yeah. but it certainly sets the table for later when everything goes down at dinner. And I think to accurately break this down the right way,

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