Bros & Shows - Lisa is Late, Stephanie's Irate (RHOM Full Recap)

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

What's up Bros? Welcome back to Miami. In this episode, we get to know Stephanie a bit more. The jury is still out but she is doing some positive things as she makes her entrance into the housewives world. Kiki continues to share more about her life which we are loving. Alexia meets with a life coach who specializes in narcissists. They plan a 'party' that sounds a little like an ambush. Guerdy and Julia couldn't be further from solving things and that is 100% on Julia. We still can't understand what her issue is with Guerdy and at this juncture it's raising a lot of questions. On the sprinter van, things get heated when Lisa arrives 2 hours late and as Stephanie said, her two biggest pet peeves are being late, and peepee talk. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's just, it's a very different approach than years prior. Yeah. I'm just confused a lot of the time. That's how I feel. I'm going to try my best. Usually when we do these breakdowns, we find some clarity with, you know, each other, just kind of button our heads together and coming up with ideas. I don't think we're going to do that this time, though.

I'm still very confused. I got to have me my bros and shows. Brows and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good morning, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm a co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the effervescent McGueter. What's up, dude?

Oh, it started off so good. I hate the end of that one. Gweter. God. I'm just having a lovely Friday morning over here. I was watching some Wimbledon, got some coffee. got some coffee, just feeling good, you know. A little PJ's Hot Boy Walk.

Yeah, you know. And now we just got to get into it, try to break through some of the confusion here. I mean, we can do our best. I'm very confused. And the other thing is we're racing against the clock here because I'm on baby duty. And my sweet little baby is taking a nap right now.

So we're going to try to get this in during nap time. You've heard of the game called Don't Wake Dad. Daddy, now we're doing, don't wake baby. Don't wake baby. Don't wake baby. Don't wake baby. Oh, remember that don't wake, daddy. How do you play that game?

I don't remember. I assume it's something like, I don't know, I've always imagined it being like something like mouse trap where there's just like things all over the place. You have to get through the ball, step it on something. It's pretty much the same thing. All those games are very, very similar. This is what we should be talking about with limited time to do this. How do you want the rules to don't wake daddy?

What are the rules? I can't wait for somebody to inevitably message us and be like, here's how it works. Like, we could look that up, but thank you. No, no, please message us explaining the rules of don't wake daddy to board game. But let's jump into this episode because we have a all-time favorite trope of mine, and that's a life coach. And well, all right, hold on. I got to ask, because I do have this written down, where does self-help expert,

which is the tag that he got, where does that go in line with the rest of the Bravo so like coaches, if you will. I would imagine that they all have that in their Instagram bio, like self-help coach, like life coach. I think it's probably all encompassing. The breakdown of how

Alexia found this guy is fucking hilarious. I know. I saw him on Instagram. I really just resonated with the things he said. And all he's doing is just putting up like somewhat inspirational quotes or like kind of with like a stock image of himself.

Stock image. image of himself or at the very worst he's just got like a multicolored background that it's like i like this guy he's he's colorful and he really digs deep and gets to the point i like later when he's they're walking through that fucking garden there's just little quotes everywhere yeah dude just scramble and write things down he just scrolled through his instagram and wrote it down on mirrors here's here's the game we're going to play because we just talked about don't wake daddy don't wake baby who wants to bang who in this situation because i can't figure it out does lexia really want to bang this dude or does this dude want to bang lex that's what i think it's both

i'm glad you picked up on that as well because the sexual tension was legit i was like all right guys did you did you bang or they haven't i don't think because that's why the tension is so palpable but yeah there seemed to be a mutual one of bangness about them both so yes i'm glad that you picked stuff on that as well but yeah dude he uh he's interesting i anytime someone has to announce the amount of books they've written they immediately lose credibility with me it's like oh the other thing is and we've seen this a lot but usually you don't see it on this level where this is just such a i don't really know what he's just he's just not that useful in the bravo world and yet bravo's like here's him with all of his books and you can get his book on amazon and i'm like what are

this. I know. And I'm like, why is Bravo just willingly doing this? What, what does this guy know? Does he, did he pay them for it? Like, are we now selling ads in the middle of our housewife shows? That's what it's felt like. Yeah. Honestly, it took us a long time to get here. I would have imagined like years ago. Yeah, Instagram ads in the middle of an episode. Yeah. Need a break? Check this out. Yeah, meta's got their hands on everything now. You can't go anywhere. When you're scrolling too much on TikTok, and it's like, you've been scrolling for a long time. Why don't you take a break? Yeah, you just do it in the middle of like a image of an old season.

Netflix. You've been watching for like a long time. Maybe take a walk. Don't you go fuck yourself. Maybe go touch some fucking grass, loser. That's pretty much the vibe. But they're going through like all the red flags with Todd and he's like, if he had said something that really resonated with me or like was profound, I'd be like, like okay fine he's just repeating like the bare minimum here you know like yeah it's us not knowing

our worth and we like to fall into these patterns and the stuff that we've heard from every i can see the instagram quote honestly i can see the post and everything but he's written three books and they're going to have a narcissism party with this crew which i'm sure will be fine i love the spin on this and what alexia does later when she's sitting down with gerty is fucking hilarious too but while she's sitting there yeah hilarious and like what an asshole kind of way yeah well dude i yeah that one really rubbed me the wrong way but while she's sitting here with this dude going through all these things i'm like all right it kind of does make sense if she's turning a leaf of todd is a narcissist and i'm trying to understand how to best like deal with it

how to how to how to feel like i need to get out like identify the red flags say because what does this guy said I think he drew a hard line in the sand. He said, once you get the 10 red flags, you're going to lose yourself. He's got a number. I got to write that down. How many red flags are we dealing with here? Fuck, I'm at seven. Fuck, I'm at seven.

Do I have to write myself off? I don't know. But she spins it into, you know who could really use this? Not me and Todd, because that's never going to happen. This is a storyline for the whole season. Me and the ladies, this will go over well. And to be fair, a lot of the ladies, including Alexia, are not. narcissists. I mean, that makes a good housewip anyway.

Yeah, but I just love how it got spun into a cast event instead of just like focusing on what's real, which is how the hell do I get away with, how do I get away from Todd? No, we're going to point this at the ladies and surprise them with a narcissistic evaluation. It's going to go great. It's not going to go south. If we ever get there. Yeah, but we're with Lisa and Jody. And after watching the scene, I don't think he has hurricane. insurance. That's the vibe I got where he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. Anyway, the hurricane

montage was fucking hilarious between Adriana and the coconuts and like Gertie doing like a live stream. Like here we go. Weather woman and the wind's coming in now. Lisa and Jody walking in the middle of the street. They're like, it's pretty windy out here. That's fine. Get inside. It's Miami. Like we would do that up here when it's like, oh, there's going to be a hurricane hitting Philly. It's like, we're not really in much danger. We can walk around. and check it out down there it's like you actually might get killed by a coconut i do like it change like truly believe adriana when she says more people die from coconuts falling off the tree during a hurricane than the actual hurricane that's true coconuts take a lot of you're like more

likely to die from a coconut than you are a shark yeah well even without a hurricane if you walk under a coconut tree like a lot of people die from that worldwide shockingly that and you're more likely to die from getting crushed by a vending machine if you shake it to try to get your food out then you are to get attacked by a shark wow shark propaganda on this show who knew who knew that we're advocating for the sharks i know no i know we're helping out the sharks yeah we're trying to there's a lot of false red flags on the sharks they're not really narcissists they're like narcissism tendencies yeah they're like three or four that is like defcon four we're good there with the sharks coconuts that's a hard 10 hard 10 hard time

we get an update on the house that lenny's building for lisa via their divorce decree i don't see this house something's going to happen where it's not going to go with lenny like we haven't heard the end of this i don't think it's going to like lenny's going to move in or something that's my prediction oh my god that would be unbelievable i don't want that but that would be unreal that that's how i see it going down but we'll see how that plays up but obviously there's what did you think of because during leases confessional in the scene when jody stopped her from talking what did you feel about that look i don't know what their relationship is i don't appreciate a shush moment very often but i also felt like he was trying to protect her i so i think this goes back

to the scene with them in the car with larsa when she starts talking about like yeah you know i sent that email and he's like is that the email that you sent with like all the typos and you said the wrong thing and she's like yeah and everyone's like jody just wants to control her i truly do think jody is there trying to kind of protect herself against herself because i think she was that on tv yeah i think she was about to divulge some information about lenny's situation and about the divorce situation that could potentially hurt her so i do think that like yeah it might be a little controlling but i think that's actually helpful because lisa's just going to blur some shit out and she doesn't realize like that it's kind of sensitive information so i'm fine with it i know a lot

of people would probably run with that and be like, oh, red flag, Jody. There's a lot of red flags now. I can't get it out of my head. But I don't really think it's a red flag. I think that Lisa is going to hurt herself by talking too much. And Jody's like, eh, you know, back off. Let's not do that. Put it this way.

I don't, I'm not saying he's like the greatest dude we've seen on Housewives. We've seen a lot of shitty dudes. He doesn't fit that bill for me. Like, he just seems like, like, like that guy. We have a new greatest dude on Bravo, who comes later. I am in love with this man. but oh my god yeah but my point with with uh jody i don't get like bad vibes i just get like ac vibes yeah i think that's it i don't think he's necessarily a bad dude i think he's

going to play that they're going to try to portray him as a bad dude this season i don't really see it we'll keep an eye out you guys know we'll call it out if we see it i haven't seen like an alarming like oh wow don't talk to her like that moment so we'll keep an eye on it let's get to stepney Kiki and Larsa and we're learning more about Stephanie's role as the president of the Shoma group and it feels to me like every time we get her in a moment with Shoma that there's a lot of production going on like she walks in she's like how's the lounge sales it's like we're breaking records boss it's like hell yeah brother Lisa called her boss maybe and I think that's the funniest thing ever yeah that that was funny I just really is she she failed the challenge immediately by the We laid out the challenge. Stephanie, try not to name a designer. Just do your best.

Three seconds in. Versace. No. Or is it Chanel? Three seconds in. It's raining. I can't get my Birken wet. Burkins can't get wet.

Okay. We fucking get it. You got a lot of money. We love wealth. Do not get us wrong. We want wealth. We love wealth, especially with our housewives. Yeah, I don't need you to throw it at our face all the time.

Just, you know. Bronwyn is a good example of coming in correct with wealth. Now, she obviously had a roller coaster of a season up and down. She made a lot of missteps. But the way she came in with her wealth, I did appreciate. Because, like, you want to allow the other women to highlight how rich you are. That's, like, the ideal way to do it. Like, they're all talking about your style, like a Bronwyn moment.

Like, holy shit, Rihanna's the only other one with that jacket. That's wild. And, like, moments like that where they're pointing out to you, hey, you're letting your burke and get wet. That would be the biggest flex. If she walked in with a burken wet and they're like, oh my god she's like who gives a fuck like that's four of these like that would be awesome if that's what her response was uh yeah it's wet well just wipe it off with like a cloth it's okay

i've got four more in posit like that i'm okay with that level of i've got a lot of money but stop saying the name brand and we're putting that counter we're getting there we're gonna have it in the bottom left corner she has a good showing later that she she's still neutral for me i'm not sure which way i'm still fine i that's my only nitpick for her Yeah, and I think that's okay, but, you know, Kiki's there. So they're talking about Kiki's dad stuff. Obviously, that's a tumultuous relationship between the two of them. And Steph ironically gives, yeah, I'm calling her Steph now.

I don't know why, but she gives like the life's too short speech. But then in turns like, well, I shouldn't really talk because I haven't talked to my sisters in three years. It's like, okay, go on. And I guess they worked at Shoma, but they weren't doing their job well. And she bought them cars. and they took that the wrong way to where they said, what are you ashamed of what we drive? I don't know her well enough to verify how much of this is valid,

how much is her fault, how much is the sister's fault. I'm assuming it went south because they didn't do a great job, and it got awkward. The car thing then throws a wrench into my evaluation. I'm like, I need more here. I need more information because there's some sketchy deeds. And just try to essentially buy them off so they don't really work for you

anymore but it's like hey i got you something yeah i don't know really know um but this is a new trend in bravo housewives the i don't talk to my sibling anymore it started with that is the new trope with Atlanta yeah Atlanta but it really started with uh with new jersey oh that's right i can't remember her fucking name the blonde who was oh daniel yeah yeah thank you that is Danielle and her brother and it spent what was it two seasons which we still didn't get an answer We still never got a dancer, but it was always there. I don't want that to happen again. I mean, we obviously, we just had it in Atlanta as well.

I didn't care about that storyline because I didn't care about the person whose name I will not speak because I don't want her to just show up in my house. She might. So with this, just tread carefully, you know, I hope it's, I don't know, it's just going to be a storyline that she's going to just try to resolve the whole time. I don't know. Give me a little bit of hope when she was sitting down with her husband. And he's like, I still love them. I'm like, oh, good. that's a different take usually it's usually the spouse is like fuck them i want nothing to do with

them just get them out of here it's like no i like that that seems really those gigantic assholes it's going to be a long season yeah i don't know we'll see how it shakes out i like her her follow-up it's like i've done everything i can i said gifts i called i took one of their dogs i'm good response dog nap they have to missoud msood took the dog by the way as we find out later no that's not their dog oh no no i know i know that i know that i know I didn't know that. I didn't catch that. Context clues.

Yeah. He's pulling dogs in from a hurricane. He's probably also offering to take dogs all over the place. That's actually a good point. With Amex Platinum, $400 in annual credits for travel and dining means you not only satisfy your travel bug, but your taste buds too. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Conditions apply. Ontario, the weight is over.

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for the tragic murder of Meredith Kircher and the relentless media storm that followed. The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox is now streaming only on Disney Plus. They recap the party a little bit, you know, with Lisa getting drunk and I'm on Stephanie's side. here like the interaction with her was bizarre and i know lisa was plastered but like the i want to be friends with your jet comment all of these things like that makes a lot of sense yeah but it ends with larsa shockingly saying like lisa and i need a conversation it's like usually we don't get that just like we need to talk it's usually Lisa is the worst person on the earth she needs to

come and apologize to me yeah it's it's usually phrased differently like she needs to come to me if we want to have a friendship like you just said it's never really a mutual like we need to sit down and have a conversation at least from larza we see it all the time but not from larza yep so that was actually refreshing to hear but this is when we get the hurricane prep montage you get stephanie and julia super buddy buddy on face time already i think that's a mutual admiration one side the husband loves martina on the other side julia's enamored with the wealth and she needs a friend because i need to see them the husband and martina like they'll go on a double date. They will go on a double date at some point this season. I'm going to eat it up.

I'm going to love every bit of it. I think that the husband and Martina, Massoud and Martina, is going to be a fun duo. I think they're going to both like, I think they're going to bond over not wanting to be on camera, but in turn is going to make for great, great shots. Yeah, that's the best. God, I love that. Did you notice something when we're just kind of panning around to everybody, prepping for the hurricane, we get to Marisol's. Yes. You didn't notice this. I'm very surprised. I noticed a big vodka bottle. Look, big ass vodka bottle.

Oh, my favorite. Thank you. I got myself a bottle of red wine. All right, Steve. Love you, Steve. Settle down, Steve. What was Steve doing? Rocking Jorts.

Are Jorts back? How the fuck did I miss the Jorts? Jorts have always been back. Jorts are never gone anywhere. Jorts are just, are you comfortable enough in your masculinity to rock Jorts confidently? Steve is. Steve absolutely is.

Steve's a man. That's why. he's he's the man he is quickly becoming my favorite husband number one man on bravo yeah i i i as you know i'm a huge advocate for jorts i haven't rocked mine this summer yet my uh jim jorts where they're like stretchy fabric i'm gonna have to pull them out now you know what poppy's got her her uh her ceremony at camp today it's like the big end of the week thing maybe i'll wear jorts i wouldn't do that to her that would be so i would never i would never do that to her i always joke you go down the shore wear it down the shore you know i'm definitely going to rock them down the shore

and that's a given but yeah uh boardwalk jorts dude that play foh calm down everyone's going to have to avert their eyes and i'm strolling down you're going to feel it i'm going to be sitting in my shorehouse and be like something's up something's going on you're going to come down to the 13th street beach and be like ooh i just have there's an aura over here and i'm going to come out from the dunes just glistening with shorts on you like that's 92 degrees here on the beach it's sunny but I just felt a little chill in the air. What's going on? It felt it in my pants.

Hey now. Let's get to Gertie and Alexia. I fucking hated everything about this scene, bro. I'm so confused. I'm so disappointed in the majority of the cast with their handling of Gertie. She's had a lot of major moments over the past year, right? She's fought and defeated cancer. She's had multiple surgeries, rounds of chemo, radiation.

She's had a fucking crazy ride to the point that she beats it. She gets to go to the New York Stock Exchange to ring the bell with the Cancer Society. This is a wonderful story of perseverance and defying the odds. And this group treats her like absolute dog shit. And the way that she goes about her conversation, she's always understanding. like their big gripe is that she talks a lot yeah but if you listen to the things that she's saying like she's very reasonable she's trying to find some kind of middle ground with alexia to understand what's going on she's like when i talk in the group chat nobody responds to me

i sent the new york stock exchange thing and you guys were arguing about some nonsense and not one person commented back to me and that seems to be the overall vibe anytime i comment in the group there's no response. And Alexia's like, it's all in your head. It's like, all right, gaslighter. Like, what do you? No, it's not. It's a brutal situation. And look, I mean, it's one of those things where the way Gertie starts it off, she says what we're talking about. And I don't know if everybody's saying this, you know, I'm not really in the discourse on what's going on with Miami and people talking about it. But she says what we're all thinking. Why am I getting singled out for the behavior that Alexia is now showing? She's doing bullet points. Like, you do this. You do

that you do this that applies to every single person in the group so at some point and we're very confused this is this is part of the confusion where it's like why are we doing this to gertie and at some point you do have to get there and you know obviously it's a topic that you and i don't really discuss a whole lot because it's very sensitive but to me it just feels like there's racial undertones in that yeah when there's no answer and it's one of the only black women in the group and they're all we've seen them all kind of click up here and there or whatever and gertie seems to always beyond the outs. Kiki, she's coming back into it so we can't say it's both of them. But when it comes to Gertie and there's really no answer to why they're treating her like this, especially

given all the things that she's gone through, that's where my mind goes. And yeah, I mean, we can identify it and say that, but it takes us a while to get there because we try to say, all right, did Gertie do something? No. So we check that off the list. Did Gertie do something to you personally? Did Gertie say something about you and Todd? Did Gertie say something about julia and martina not really she got that when push came to shove as we find out later when the two of them sit down which is insane the way julia that was crazy but it's not just alexia it's alexia it's gertie and then the other ones just kind of like keep their distance from gertie so i i don't really under i'm sorry it's alexia you know julia and then they kind of keep their distance

from gertie at some point we do have to label this is like there are racial undertones here like there's no other way to look at it because you're not giving us any more evidence that's where everybody's going to go. And I think that eventually people are going to get there. I'm sure Gertie, unfortunately, deep down, sees that and can identify it. And it's just, it fucking sucks. It's just brutal to watch that because they're all supposed to be friends. They spend a lot of time together. And the fact that this is still a topic. This is still an option for why this is going on is shitty. It's awful. It's tough to watch. It's tough to watch your treatment, you know, especially when she's so rational in her approach of it. She's like, Alexi, you yell all the

time but immediately after an accusation she's like we all have our ups and downs like we all have our things and alexia's push is that gertie's too much and this is what we've heard multiple times it's like bruh all of you are that's that's kind of the allure of miami is that all you are over the top in different ways but it's all generally the same thing so for gertie to get singled out makes absolutely no sense and for me what it comes back to i i 100% agree with you there's racial undertones to it. And I think that's, that's really upsetting to watch, especially with somebody like Gertie, who is, for as far as we know, and as far as we've seen for years, one of the more delightful

people on the network. Yeah. On top of that, what I get from this is jealousy, from top to bottom, because if you look at Gertie's life, right, she has a great marriage with Russell, she has a great partner in Russell. They've gone through a whole lot together. and they are doing as well as ever, it seems like, and this is after a cancer battle.

Then you look at her career. She's renowned in her own space. She's very good at her job. She's very successful. She's the breadwinner. Her life is something that all of the women on this show probably envy after frequently. Look at Adriana, dude. Like, her life's a fucking disaster.

She just now found this French guy. She's happy for a little bit. You look at Julian Martina. They've had their struggles over the years. They're going through it constantly. It seems like Martina doesn't really want to be on the show. They do seem like they love each other a lot. And I like their marriage.

I don't like Julia at the moment. But you look at Alexia with Todd. That's a disaster. She can't even figure out whether or not to trust the guy. You look at Marisol with Steve. And that's kind of an afterthought because, you know, Marisol's kind of in her own bubble as far as, like, her life on this show. But Larsa's life is a fucking shit show, like the Marcus stuff.

her marriage, everything that has to do with her. So if you look and like lay it out on a piece of paper, it's like, this is why you're all jealous and damn it, you probably should be because she's kicking ass. And the only way that you can seemingly get a leg up on her is to gang up and make her feel like shit after beating cancer. Like that's what we're going to do, guys. That seems pretty fucking stupid to me,

especially when you're trying to point fingers at her for doing the same shit that all of you do. And that's when you get to the point where you're like, okay, is this racist? Is there racial undertones happening right now? Because there are no other reasons for you to all be ganging up and treating this woman this way, who has never really treated you this way, shape, or form. No, she's not treating you any differently than any other woman on the cast.

Everybody goes through things. Everybody does things. They project, which is, again, just kind of how housewives work. They start projecting their shitty lives or their shitty moments on other people and blame other people for it. We see it all the time. And, you know, our little narcissist self-help guy over here can probably help us with that. as to why people do this, but he's not going to be able to dig into this one. So I don't think, you know, and obviously we don't really get the whole sit down with this guy and talk about it.

I can't imagine it goes well at all. No shot. But we're not going to get to the bottom of this. It's just gotten to a point and it's taken us a little while to get there. What is this, episode five? We're going through all of the motions of, did we miss something? What's going on here? What are they talking about?

Is there something that happened to the off season that they just haven't brought up yet? And we have no answers. we have zero answers so now we're just left here pretty much just going for all right why is this happening we don't have any answers as to why it's happening so this is where we are so and as far as we know that is the answer so it's just it's brutal but um that's tough but before we get back to the rest of our episode we do have a few words from our friends over at wayfair and you've heard steel and i talk about wayfair all the time it is the best site to go to to get everything that you need to entertain this summertime because if you have a little outdoor space you got a big outdoor space

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Kikis is like that. He's the first of our family to go to the college, which is awesome. He's studying psychology there. And Larsa joins the group. Yeah. I almost don't want to say it. Did she hit on this kid? Did she get on this kid?

No, I don't think so. You're so big and tall. You got a girlfriend. You got a girlfriend. How do you do? I don't know why that's her voice, but yeah, you got to go over. You got to get over there. Like, I'm surprised sometimes that Larissa doesn't like talk about only fans openly.

Like that would be fucking hilarious too. It's just like. That's all for my head, but I was like, I wonder if these like this 19 year old like is meeting Larsa going, you have an only fan. Yeah, I know who you are Questions in this scene Yeah, no, I thought The same thing

I tried not to focus on that I tried to focus on that I tried to move past it quickly Because I didn't want to like Make too many jokes When you recorded I tried to Honestly, to be fair

Kiki's sharing so much more And just really stepping it up This season is such a delight It is incredible So that really does Just naturally take my focus In those scenes When she's sitting down

talking about whether it's her father and just trying to reconnect and like the way that she's setting the boundaries just resonates so nicely where it's like yeah I get that you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders I love that you've gotten through life on your own essentially and you've created this whole world where now your kids can go to college and you're really proud of them and I like just the little things like sitting down and talking about it and her son brings up hazing because he joined six different clubs while he was at college and she's like what the hell's that are you getting bullied what do you mean you're getting bullied He's like, I'm just kidding.

Kill somebody. Yeah, she would. Honestly. So, like, I just really enjoy those moments from Kiki because they were few and far between for the last two, three seasons. So now that we're getting her in like a full environment, pretty much being a full house wave, giving what we need, I'm so delighted by it. Yeah, we've been saying it for years that she deserves more screen time.

And I don't know if it was her career, like the lack of time to film or if it was just the network. It was, honestly, because she's, she is a good polarizing person. So I do think that maybe she just didn't have the time to do it. Maybe she wasn't sure if she wanted to do it. I'm not really sure. But I imagine Bravo probably continued to have her on as a friend up to see a moment like this, not even necessarily a moment, but like a whole season that she's straining together of.

Here's my personal life, guys. Yeah. We've been talking about it for a while. She probably wasn't sure. Maybe she's waiting for her kids to get a little older. Whatever the reason was, I'm happy that we got here because she's always just been so great on camera. She's always been such a good voice of reason.

She flips out when she needs to flip out. she doesn't do like the random shit for us no she has warranted check moments where someone needs to get checked and she steps absolutely yeah so she's she's always been big in that world for me so seeing more from her is something that we've wanted for a while now we're getting it and i just want to revel in it you know yeah and i also want to give larsa credit here i like how she handled the situation with her dad you know just being understanding and saying you call him like don't let this don't let this go unanswered for too long like take the high road and I like that.

I like to hear that. And that was pretty much the whole scene. But then we get to Stephanie and Massoud. And again, just when you walk in, it's like, you know, she's like, how are the calls? It's like, oh, we're so busy. We are so busy right now. And we got a meeting in 30. Yeah, we got a walk through.

It's like, oh, Jesus. Every scene starts off like a sitcom, like the boss walking in. And they're just like, here's all the things going on, boss. We've got a lot happening today. It's like, holy shit, we're so busy. It's just, it's so funny. because you know that like it's not that serious of the situation or it's not like a real thing because this is like a walk through of an apartment like hey we got to check out the and it's also as we find

out later in the scene when stephanie's walking around and she's like yeah i just want to go see uh i just want to go see a few of the apartments like i want to see a couple of the showrooms just to figure it out then she goes well yeah someone has a walk through and she references a different employee so like you're not there for that that would be very low level stuff for the CEO of a company to go give a walkthrough to a potential person that wants to live there, like a resident? Yeah, that's what I thought. So, like, we're not stupid. We know what walkthroughs of an apartment are.

Don't act like it's some big business meeting, you weirdo. It was just confusing. Like, I don't know. And I'm not saying, I am by no means saying that she doesn't do things for Shoma. The more I'm seeing, like, it does appear that she plays a big role in the company and she's the president of the company. So, like, I'm not trying to just playing it up too much. Exactly. We know what just like every scene.

Do that and move on. Yeah. that's like okay and this is a I mean a solid scene like I enjoyed Massoud I like their dynamic I think it's funny going into the apartment and it all seems a little played up it's her first season so I'm not gonna knock her on that one but yeah the dogs in the in the empty unit was funny as shit and because they they checked first and they're like wait what do you mean missude we found two two dogs two puppies that got away during the hurricane we brought them in and with the help of

Mr. Massoud over here we were able to get through with everything and they're like yeah wait you put them in like an empty apartment with no furniture right yeah let's get out of here now no let's let's go home that's why I think Massoud knew that too because the whole time and like it was partly what the fuck am I doing here like I could be doing something else he gives off like I could be playing golf this is a waste of my time kind of thing a waste of my time I love me he looks like an older Javier Bardem that's what I get for oh yeah um Hanson fella he he he He's walking through. And Stephanie's like, we got to check out all the different showrooms.

We got to do this and that. And he's like, can we just go through one of the models? Like, I'm not going through. And he's talking. They all look identical. Like, what are we doing? And that way, the assistant is like, you've seen them all. The assistant's like, you're not taking me another fucking room.

She's like, yes, yes, sir. He knew. I think he knew deep down that those dogs were just running a muck in the middle of like one of the show rooms. They were all over the beds. Stephanie's going to flip out. Let's just, you know, we'll clean it up and we won't deal with it. No, but it was just a fun moment, like walking in. And I like that Stephanie didn't go nuts.

I thought when that dog jumped up on her, she was going to be like, not my Versace. This is my Versace dress that I got two years ago that I love, but it's worth this exact price. And if I wanted to resell it, I could get this much money. Like, that's how I feel about her. But she handled it well. I agree.

It was just a funny moment. I totally agree. So she's moving up slowly in my book. which is good. That's how we want it to happen, nice and gradual. And then she ends the episode while we're almost there. To succeed in the future of work, forward thinkers use AI to deliver measurable results. Workday is the AI platform for HR and finance that frees you from the mundane so you can focus on more meaningful work.

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Actually, I might have hated this more than the Alexia one. I hated the Elxia one more. This one was just like, I've unfortunately gotten to the point because I've loved Julia in the past for her quirkiness. I've gotten to the point where I don't really like Julia at all. Well, her quirkiness now is just like condescension. Yeah, she's got that Alexia Marisol, like the bad parts of Alexia Marisol, where like Alexia Marisol can balance it out and be funny and good.

share their lives and we've come to really like them for who they are but with julia it just seems like she's just taking all of the bad all the condes uh all the condescending attitude all of the issues that they've had in the past and just kind of pushing it out to gertie and it's like who do you think you are that you do the little fucking half get up when gertie's coming in like yeah that was like is she going to hug me no okay are we okay and it's just fake it's fake and hug her like get up and her and start it you owe her a hug get up and hug her to start the conversation off right otherwise what are you doing here i i her attitude towards her yeah no no she had a vendetta and has a vendetta and this scene makes it really clear even when she's saying like recapping the text that she wants

to clear the air that she sent to gertie there's this stank in her voice and like you know she says sorry for the water toss it seems so disingenuous and gertie starts talking again she's so logical with her approach on this like so rational when she's talking about it she's like I feel backstabbed by you like that was such a tough moment for me you threw water in my face you stood over me and yelled at me in front of everybody nobody had my back nobody supported me I felt like a piece of shit because of you and her response to that is I shared something very personal about a facelift it's like fuck your facelift that came out because you were being awful to Gertie you backed her up into a corner

for days and then it culminates in a moment in front of everybody where you publicly embarrass her so she clapped back and you're going to hold on to that moment or it's like i told you something secret it's like you were just a complete asshole to this woman for multiple days yep and now you have a chance to clear the air and you're going to you're going to ask for an apology from her all we're getting from this whole situation now is that this is all Julia. Like, I'm sorry, but like Martina can say whatever she wants. She didn't need you. The idea and the optics of getting a fucking facelift while your wife is getting chemotherapy and potentially having problems. It seems like she was having some issues. That's fucked. It's just

not a good person. Like that's, that's a narcissist as we find out. But it's just insane to me, the way that she does this because it still does not make any sense. Like the way that she's rationalizing it in her own head is insane. You were an asshole to grow. herty multiple times you were condescending you were cold you sent her text messages said that she can find out in the press what's going on when you adopted two babies somebody who would probably be incredibly proud and incredibly happy for you and instead you're like you couldn't be on the zoom call because he had prior arrangements i guarantee you julia sent that shit out like two hours before it was like hey guys i've got some really big news let's all get it on a zoom call

and gertie's like i've got shit to do i've got things going on in my life no she tried to jump on and couldn't get in and texted her and said, let me in. And she couldn't figure out how to do that. Well, I know. And then she did say that she had something a little bit later. So she's like, I can't, you know, do this or whatever. But like the way that Julia took that is, oh, my news isn't as important as whatever you're going through. As we know, Gertie could have been going through reconstructive surgery. She could have been continuing chemo. We don't know the time frame of this. She has a lot of shit to do. She's up at the New York Stock Exchange ringing a goddamn bell, which we see now all the time, which is awesome. I love that. That's one of the recurring themes.

that we now see on Housewives, which I'm all for. But there's a lot of things going on at Gertie's life. And for Julia to sit there and say to bring up the one thing that Gertie did, we're trying to find out what Gertie did to you to cause your weird behavior towards her. Instead, you go, I'm going to hold you accountable for what you said after I was an asshole to you. That doesn't make any sense. Like clear the air for what started it, not what now you're scrambling for to find out like, Gertie's not a good friend because she did this.

you weren't a good friend for weeks and months beforehand. So, like, explain that to us, Julia. That would have been the correct approach, but that's not the way that she decides to go about it. And then after taking no accountability, zero, by the way, Gertie did take accountability in a moment that she didn't need to, but she does because that's who she is. And Julia takes none and then has the balls to say,

I want to move forward. It's like, if Gertie wants to, that's her decision, but you've given her no reason to. because you're still standing on business on the wrong side. Like it doesn't make any sense. And you're right. It's like you see the negative parts of the Alexia Marisol duo coming out in Julia now. And I don't know if that's the reason why.

Because as we talk about frequently, Marisol and Alexi have a lot of redeeming qualities. Like they're great when they're together. They're great individually. They have a lot of good moments. They're able to reel it back in at times. Julia is just dead set on being a piece of shit right now. And it's hard to watch. But let's get to the life coach.

I wrote life coach shit party. Because it's just a lot. It looked like a beautiful like backyard. And it was honestly, it was like Lisa Vanderpump's backyard. You have the swan going. Mirrors with Instagram quotes laying about like. I can't imagine. I know at least like one or two people are probably going to like somewhat take it seriously.

Now obviously the, uh, the vibe. the van isn't great as we'll get to in a second, but if I'm looking practically at everybody in that van, one or two of them are at least going to act like they're taking it seriously. The rest of the cast is just going to laugh at it. Like, what the fuck is this is. I think someone's going to get pissed off because of the implication. Larsa, Lisa and Larsa have a chance to get up that. Lisa is for sure already heated.

She's going to get pissed even more. But I could see Stephanie probably laughing at it. Marisol is going to be like, get me a goddamn cocky. everybody around here knows what my cock is that's what she said last week which i forgot to say and she kept referring to it as just a cock and i was god damn embarrassed all um but yeah i can't see anybody taking this seriously it's just so funny and like that's where this is where the bangness comes back the who wants the bang this comes back because this is stupid this is ridiculously stupid and both of them are like this is really cool right wow this is beautiful

check out this wow another mirror are you kidding me where did you get this one it's incredible like can you guys just bag already like get it over with so that we don't have to see this guy again it's unbelievable and it's so funny to me they highlight once again that he's written three books it flashes back that he's like I've written three books

as you know it's like okay dude this is ridiculous but they're waiting they're on the sprinter van And as we know, sprinter vans tend to not go well on Bravo. There's something in the air in the sprinter vans. I know. And I'm glad. And everybody's arriving on time at 12 o'clock in the afternoon.

That's very important. They're all arriving. They're sitting there talking. And they start to get aggravated because Lisa is not there yet. And as we know, she's perpetually late. And when we see like late, it's not like 20 minutes, 10 minutes. It's like an hour. overplayed like she's 25 30 minutes late and people are getting pissed like we would let that

slide in the housewives world this was egregious this was ridiculous and stephanie's like i there's my biggest pet peeve i have two pet peeves and kiki's 100% right if pet peeve number two which is don't talk about peepees you're the wrong group tough group yeah uh group because they they reference peepees frequently that's part of the charm of of Miami is they're going to talk about Wieners at some point but Lisa finally arrives at 2.30 two and a half hours is obscene like you should have left they all should have left I don't know if this is a production thing where it's like we can't we need her to be there and it's like an hour away like we're going to have to wait but 2 30's wild and she walks in

Stephanie clocks her and I was like normally with a newbie I'd be like oh that's strong move but that's how Lisa felt but that's the thing because we've seen Lisa kind of get passed over in these moments so frequently because everyone else is like what's the point we've seen similar things like this happen in the past but they're never like it's never like a come to Jesus moment but Stephanie's like fuck this and fuck you like do you think that your time's more valuable than ours like do you think that you're more important than we are and Lisa's like what's going on like these are my friends and I they can talk to me and it's like you cut to the confessions and all the women are like thank you Stephanie thank you for somebody finally said something

it makes you wonder why nobody said anything to her in the past because we've had countless confessions of people talking about it and they bring it up like in jest at the reunion because it's not in the moment but in the moment we get those confessionals all the time so the fact that somebody finally said something and this was this was kind of big for me for Stephanie, because the way that she was talking, she sounded like a CEO. She sounded like she runs a pretty big company. So, you know what? Even if she doesn't actually do that much and it gets a little played up, she believes

that she does and I'll take that. I will take that all day because that's what it seemed like. And I love the way that she clocked her. She didn't skip a beat. She didn't act like, oh, yeah, maybe like this or that. No, right to the point. Do you think your time is more valuable than ours? Because we've been sitting there for two and a half hours.

That is the right way to do it. Lisa was just befuddled. Like, just no idea what to do. Starts going after her, calling her rude. And it's like, are you serious? You just showed up two and a half hours later. You're going to call me rude because I called you out. We don't know each other.

I don't care. I'm sitting here in a fucking sprinter van for two and a half hours. I don't think we have any drinks in here. So we're not really passing the time that well. They did because Marissel walked in and saw some vodka. But there's booze on it. I will always pick it up. You will always know, yeah.

I can't. The two cans say have a booze. Yep. I may not drink anymore. but any alcoholic will tell you the first thing you notice on movies and TV is who's drinking what they're drinking and have they finished their drink. That's what drives me crazy in movies. They walk away from full drinks. I'm like, no, no, no, no.

Like you turn around and finish that. You get back in there. Yeah, come on, son. But she even tries to apologize to her. And she's not having it. And that's when she gets like ramped up again. But she was like, I'm just trying to explain to you why I came in hot. But if you're not going to listen to me, go fuck yourself.

I was like, okay, Stephanie. I'm team Stephanie right now. And she's moving up. She had a solid episode. I'm hoping that because this is a very similar arc as we saw with Bronwyn. And as we know, like Bronwyn came on the scene great and we loved her. And then she had not a sharp decline.

Once she got pushed, then it was like it was crazy for her. And I don't really see. I don't know. Like the Salt Lake City girls, they tend to dig things up more. than most i would say true so they do kind of read into a lot of things a little bit more the miami women the the the miami women just they just clock you for your own behavior for whatever

you're doing i always appreciate which is it's just more authentic that way but they're two different ways of thinking i obviously they're the best two housewife shows on bravo right now so who are we to say what the right choice is but i just love the differences in that yeah i agree but solid uh performance from her obviously some problematic things are happening on show right now that i hope uh i hope it gets cleared up soon i hope that gertie stops getting teamed up on it it's it's gonna quickly turn into uh this season sucks if this continues so uh look we've clocked it i think everybody watching is having a similar sentiment so hopefully it takes a turn or this could be this could take a turn as far as like enjoyable yeah i don't think i'm

even really there yet to be honest yeah you know we are kind of there is just sort of like a cloud hanging over any franchise any season where you start to notice little things here and there i don't know really because i think that this show in particular has so much going on that we could be set in stone to deal with the gertie and julia thing the entire season but i feel like everybody else has something going on so it'll kind of take away from that yeah so we'll see how they see how they do it but let's get some questions Did you see the picture I used? Yeah, it's phenomenal.

Bravo, well done. Scotty Pippen with the wet jeans. Let's see what we got here. Oh, wow, Megzy Kakes. There you go for it. Can we stop making excuses for Lisa, please? We don't. We don't make excuses for her.

I enjoy her for what she is. I think she's great. You got to take her for what she is, yeah. Yeah, that could go for most housewives, honestly. I don't think, like, her being two and a half hours late would drive me up a wall. Oh, yeah, you would be livid. From Maxiev, 374, do you prefer lateness or penis talk? As a pet peeve?

No, which one do you prefer? Like, if you had to pick, like, which one bothers you less? Yeah, Pee, penis talk. That's an easy answer, Max. Come on, man. Talk about dicks all day. we do heyo hey oh hey i met like people on these shows uh from from avie

amy riva dinera do you think that alexia gets away with more because she's good with frankie let's not forget peter um i mean look ilexia is a great mom we will always she is a good mom and you know i'm not even going to say too much about peter because He is who he is. We don't really see a whole lot of them anyway. Peter's a little problematic. Yeah,

he's definitely a little problematic, but I mean, the way that she is with Frankie is incredible. So I'm always going to say she's a great mom. But I don't think that that's mutually exclusive to being a great person. Like there are times where every housewife is like, oh, what are you doing?

It's kind of fucked up. This was a little different. You know, obviously we called her out earlier in the episode for the conversation that she had with Gertie. But there are times where, you know, we do have to kind of. compartmentalize certain things for the show.

So the way that she is in a lot of the situations, it works for the show. So again, it's similar to Lisa. Like we're not giving her excuses. You just kind of take her for what she is and what she brings to the show. Yeah. And I don't think that she does get away with things with the group.

I'll give you that. I don't think that at least on our end of things, like we've called out Alexia for years and we'll continue to do so. Let's just say this. I don't think she's getting a pass. from the group or the audience because of how she is with Frankie yeah i don't either gertie gertie just went through cancer and she's not getting a pass so like no it's not really gonna work yeah no i agree but you got any others or wrap it up a lot of reactions to the picture oh yeah oh here you go

one more from lara cone and levin lara lavin lavin sure do you think laris is just her relationship is over so she's projecting on Lisa yes yeah yeah a million percent yes everything Larsa does is some projection yeah her she doesn't like her own life so she tries to make other people's lives suck very true very very very obvious but yeah but hey she's an impeccable housewife she really is away from her never will yeah and then as came to say excellent photo choice from K. Higgs. And one more, K. Looker Woods. No question just here to say. That picture is wild. Sure is. Well done. Well done, Goetz. Thanks, guys. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show, bro's got to go.

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