Bros & Shows - Lisa Makes Amends, Britani Hates Her Daughter and Muzzy Stinks (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

What's up Bros? This show is so good. In this episode we get the resolution of the poster board luncheon. Lisa ends up making amends with everyone at the table. Her and Bronwyn sit down to have a conversation to clear the air. Mary returns to the church and we hope and pray that we get some church content this season. Britani and Whitney discuss Britani's daughter, and Whit literally has to try and convince Britani to set aside men... for her child...? Awful. Almost as bad as Muzzy, Bronwyn's mom, actively using "god" to disparage, shame and belittle Bronwyn. Lisa and Angie get into it again despite the peace offering earlier, when Lisa sends her assistant to confiscate her Fresh Wolf products... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, yeah. I love that every time we flash to Amy, we have to get Utah social aid. She's got to be leaving at some point. I just don't understand what she's doing here. You know, I'm using her picture as questions every week. I want to get into it right now, but I'll wait. I'll wait for later. Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only shooter, Snow Gooder. What's up, dude? Just a couple of Pennsylvania socialites. That's what we are. It's a PA socialites. The other problem is Utah socialite. Just say Salt Lake or wherever you are.

Just say socialite. Don't even say socialite, actually. We know who Amy is now. We have questions about her. I don't. I really don't care. My question is, what are you doing here? Why are you here?

That's my only question. You don't even go here. You don't even go here, dude. I don't understand. I think they keep trying to do that because maybe she's supposed to come in later or something, and this is them forcing the issue. I don't know. It's not her fault.

I don't know Amy. Her house looks nice. on people. We don't question the producers of Salt Lake, really, ever. But if you want to put it up against Potomac just started, we met a friend of immediately. This is my friend, this is her name, she starts talking, we understand what she's doing. And we love her. And we love her already.

I don't think the same could be said about Amy in any capacity. But we never got an introduction. No. I just, I don't understand it. It's going to go from this to probably really funny because she'll pop up again. She won't be on the show for a couple of weeks, and then she'll pop up again, and I'll laugh. Well, the rumor has it that after this luncheon, she's so turned off by the drama that she's no longer wanting to do the show. Whatever.

Yeah, I don't believe that, but that's making the rounds right now. I don't know. Bring Miley back. Don't do that either. We have a good cast. We're good. Like, we don't need it. And here's the funny thing, and I'm sure Amy's going to, like, show up later and have a great moment.

I'm like, Amy's great. But for now, it just. just, I don't care. I don't care. It's not like it's really taking away from anything. It's just bothering me. Yeah, this is a me and you thing. Yeah. 100%. Like, a lot of people are in the comments like, what do you mean? Like, wealth is back. Sure, whatever. Did we steer them in the wrong direction? I don't know. Because we were claiming that we wanted wealth back? I don't know. Maybe that's our fault.

Is Amy Rich? She's a social eight. Her house says wealth. I guess, yeah. Yeah. And the amount of people there in fancy suits and stuff. But, uh, yeah, this is what happens when we recap shows. That will be a sticking point for us for the entire season, even when she's no longer on it, because then we're going to say, where's Amy? I am going to ask where Amy is every week. But anyway, why I was saying this show is the peak is because of the setup of this exact episode. Because in the beginning, and then we'll dive in, I just want to lay out this arc because it's important. Wow, you removed the backseat pillow. Yeah. That's been there for three years. We did, uh, Well, I haven't been really sitting in an armchair.

No, I know. We upgraded. We upgraded, at least for, you know, lumbar support reasons. But I felt yesterday, after doing two episodes, I was here for, what, three hours? It was a long day. It was a long day. Don't like the pillow right now. Yeah, I don't think you need it.

You can get back in there. The other couch was, like, one of those, like, lounger couches, so it's low to the ground, so it doesn't have a lot of back. So that's the other thing is I realized while watching, you know, watching the tape. I'm just kind of lounging the whole time, which is. is fine. It's okay. Not great for my back. No, it's not. So I'm glad that we've residuated this room for your sake. But anyway, I get back to your

back to my point. Yeah. What we get throughout this episode, in the beginning, we get conflict. Three episodes into, is this four? I don't, hold on, let me go off. I don't. I don't fucking know. Stop doing that. Why are we doing that? I don't give a shit if you want to boost ratings.

Stop doing this to me because it's pissing me off. Every time I go to peacock and I hit continue watching it puts on watch what happens live yeah you can say we should be also watching watch what happens live sometimes I do watch clips I watch sometimes I watch the full episode I don't want to continue and what are they going to do by the way have they thought about this if I want to go back and watch a season are you going to implement watch what happens live here and there because if I'm trying to binge watch like season eight of roney or something just to use an example if I'm watching an episode and then it goes right into watch what happens live I'm

going to be furious I'm going to stop watching I'm going to stop watching I'm going to stop watching It ruins the flow. It's so funny. I knew you're going to be pissed about that. And they've been doing it for every show. I know. It started off with just O.C., and I'm like, what the hell is this? Then Miami started doing it.

Now we've got it for Roslick. I'm pissed. Yeah, don't do that. It's annoying. It's really annoying. That's funny. I was pissed off about that, too. But back to what I was saying, I believe this is episode four.

It might be three, but regardless. It's episode seven, so it's four. Oh, that's so bad. Yeah. I hate it. I hate it so much. But for the sixth time, let me try to explain this. So, in the beginning we get conflict, we get conflict resolution quickly in the season, which

is much needed. We love when we're able to wrap things up, get the group back together, have a little kumbaya moment. It's very important for making a show move forward. Now, later on, because after conflict resolution, I'm like, oh, shit, it's really early though, and if we're all cool already, that doesn't bode well for later down the road. Bang. New conflict, similar people, different.

conflict. It's also Lisa picking and choosing her battles. I love that. And I think this works really well. And again, we've always said that Lisa is a very good housewife because she has that delusion factor. And she also has the it factor. But once it gets to the point and we were at that point in the first three episodes where everybody is jumping on Lisa and we see that at the conclusion of this luncheon, if you want to call it that, whatever it was, everybody's pretty much telling Lisa, hey, you need to stop doing what you're doing in so many different ways. And there's a a lot of levels to it, but the lowest of all would be Heather trying to do the, I understand what you're doing, I understand what you're doing, I understand what you're doing.

But Lisa, and she only singles out Lisa for the most part, that was enough to say the whole cast is pretty much against Lisa. Lisa, you have to resolve some of these conflicts. Not all of them, just a few. And then pick and choose the ones that you want to continue to go and get a little deeper with, that's perfect. Great. Because if you do it the right way, which I think she does, and I'll argue that as we get

closer to, you know, the Bronwyn resolution and then going into the NGK stuff, she does it in a good way that will continue furthering the storyline, furthering the season and continuing to get that conflict going, and then obviously there's going to be things here and there that are going to continue everything else. Yep. It's such a good structure, whether intentional or unintentional, it just lays out so well that we can look forward to new things, not get stuck on things. And it's something that this show has always done exceptionally well. So I had to highlight that before we dive in. So now I said luncheon in my notes. I think it was a luncheon, yeah. So we're at the poster board luncheon. And this is like

the aftermath of everything blowing up. Whitney excuses herself from the room, which I always still believe was like a great move by her. We don't like walkouts. That was one good walkouts. Her explanation in the beginning of this episode was, I think I kind of forgot how I felt last week because we agreed on that. And when she starts explaining, I just needed to remove myself from the situation because I wasn't going to let her do that to me anymore. I'm like, it's kind of a coward move. Yeah, sure. Because I also do think that you had Lisa where you wanted her, whether you knew it or not in the moment. He's not going to recognize that. Whitney's not going to recognize that. This is the only time that Whitney's ever even come close to sniffing

an upper hand in a situation. You actually kind of had the upper hands. Lisa was screaming nonsense and you had her right where you wanted her and then you walked away. A little dramatic, sure. Maybe you get some sympathy from other people, sure. But in this moment, watching this episode, I kind of wanted to tell her now. Counterpoint. That resolution that we see with Heather stepping in. Probably wouldn't have happened. It does not happen because Whitney goes, she's not able to, when she's in those moments,

no fault of her own, especially when you're going against Lisa because she doesn't let you get a word in and I'm sure it gets under people's skin. Yeah. She's not coming down. She's going to keep elevating, elevating. And then the next thing you know, you have everybody screaming, nothing happens. I think it was important that she left the room, but this is why Lisa people take shots and go low, because you start it. She immediately goes after Angie's business.

Now, we're questioning Lisa Barlow because we have lawsuits. We've seen the lawsuits. We need to understand what's going on. That's where the questions come from. That has nothing to do with the amount of studios that Angie Kay does or does not own. Whether it's one and a half, three, seven, or ten is irrelevant, especially when you're trying to shit on her because they're franchises they get a franchise fee for each franchise she kept saying one and a half why because sean also owns it she owns another one like again it's like we're nitpicking so hard she said it

even after heather tried to explain to her like there's no reason for you to say one and a half she still went back to it so i guess that's what she was trying to do it's funny i mean the line itself is funny but it doesn't do her any favors and this is again this scene you're watching her struggle which we don't usually see she's usually got her shit together but she's not landing any punches here and the other side of the room is is clearly winning and then when you give me this answer i didn't do it as an insult you took it as an insult it's like what the fuck does that mean it's like the weirdest way of saying no offense but yeah that's pretty much exactly what it was but i do think you could argue that everybody in the room

needed the resolution yes i think lisa needed it the most because this will bring her back to some sort of level-headedness and neutral and we've seen her pop off countless times in the two episodes, three episodes that she's been in. We've never seen her like this. We've never seen her like this. She was spiraling by doing this, by Lisa actually having the time to let everything just kind of be as it is

and try to get back to the neutral playing field. It'll allow you to rein your emotions in. Yeah, it's kind of like regroup. Plan your next step, which I think she does really well in this episode as we get to later. But for her in this moment, this is what we needed. I agree.

And also it's going to take people's eyeballs off of your fucking poster boards that you put up there for no reason that only worked against you. But for Lisa, in particular, particular, now it's weird because everybody seems to have a vendetta against you. Even Mary, who said when she was watching this lunch and she was all watched what happens live, see you guys we watch it. Mary even said, yeah, go Bronwyn. Go get her. Hit her again. Pretty much that's what she wanted. So even Mary's against you, who's usually a neutral party and only caring about

herself, everybody's ganging up on you, but they're all going to let it lie as long as you're able to find some sort of resolution here. And it's weird because again, they had her where they wanted her. And if that's what you guys wanted to accomplish, you could have done that. I don't think it is, though. I don't think it is either. I think they want to make good TV, which always works. I will always applaud that. I think what they wanted in this moment was just fucking shut up and let us talk and get it all out. You don't even have to give us answers. Just understand where we're coming from and we'll be okay. And then we can move on to whatever's next. Exactly. That's the perfect way to put it. And, you know, sure the line itself was funny.

understand it, but, you know, Angie's saying, I franchise, you do French fries. Does she have a restaurant? I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, where were her in the barquee lounge, the Vita Tequila Lounge, maybe they make French fries, but she still owns a business. I don't know. It was a funny line. I love that Mary's like, what?

That's a good one. Good job. But I agree with everything you said. I think the regroup is important. And I think where Angie tends to run into problems, I don't. don't falter for going low and you know heather is always going to have lb's back no matter what so like the splitting hairs of like why angie's more wrong than lisa's annoying but at the same time angie does get herself into trouble because of lines like this she goes after fresh wolf

which i get you know it's been sitting on your shelves for a while it's an easy target but now you're bringing jack into it now we are towing the line of the kids i get going low to meet her where she's at sure but for whatever reason and this is like a talent of leases i don't know why. It's probably because Heather's going to be the one to defend her. Lisa goes low, and if you meet her at the same playing field and go low, you're the asshole Lisa's not. That is true. Yeah, and

Angie could have cut that off well before the C tier. Or it belongs in Walmart. Yeah. You could have cut it off. Walmart alone. And I knew where she was coming from, she just got out of hand. Very quickly. You could have just said, you're now looking at me, making fun of my business, making fun of my family as some sort

of, you know, extension of that. I'm going to do the same thing to you, but instead she could have worded it as, I don't understand why you're doing this because all I do is support your family. I have fresh wolf products on my shelf at the businesses that you're now making fun of. Even though they don't sell. Yeah, maybe, all right, sure. You can go a little further and go to that, but you could have cut it off right there.

The extra comments get you in trouble every single time with Lisa. Well, especially considering the implications there. We don't need the rest. You know, like we all understand it's Jack Barlow's company. Like, we all understand you're taking a shot at him and the whole family. it's almost redundant and it gets you in trouble. I think during COVID we got a box of that stuff. We did.

And it was like hand sanitizers and we're like, oh, this is actually kind of cool because we can't get this shit anywhere. I used it. Yeah, we, I finished the entire bottle of Fresh Wolf Hand sanitizer. Yep. I don't have a review for it, but we didn't have any dust on it. No dust in my house.

Used and thrown. Yeah, damn right. But anyway, Heather speaks up. And this is where she thrives. You know, she's the comedic relief. She is the voice of reason When she's not trying to get overly involved And she is able to get through to Lisa

More so than other people I don't mean she's like able to do it Because nobody really is She's able to do it better than other people Right So she just like lays the situation out Look You're unfairly attacked at camping

Agreed You're defending yourself Agreed But you go low as shit And then in return Angie goes low as well That being said Angie that was fucked up.

Lisa also fucked up. For Angie to then, like, try to chime in. I'm like, eh, just let Heather do her thing right here. And because of that, you get the best line of it all. I even wrote the whole thing down. You're a fearless, strong person, and when you're on someone's side, they feel invincible. But when you're against people, you feel completely vulnerable.

You don't allow yourself to be vulnerable. Then Lisa's like, I grew up differently than you guys, which I thought was going to be taken differently because it's like similar to like, my life's better than yours. Yeah, I thought that's what it was going to be. But no one went that route, which is good because we would have gotten stuck on a stupid comment that didn't really matter. And it leads to her going around the table saying really nice things and being like,

look, I love this group. I love all of you here. We love hard. We hate hard. All of those things. Ra, rah, speech. Everybody cheers. There's a little bit of tears.

Everyone's happy. We seem to have the resolution. We need even Bronwyn, who was holding on. As hard as she could to that resentment, you could tell she didn't want to give. She even cracked through

enough there to set up the meeting later. Yeah. But this was such an important scene to allow us to be like, all right, bang over three episodes now because if this carries over

another two, three, I'm irritated. Yeah. If it's more of leesage versus the entire group, if it's more of her just spiraling even further, it's not entertaining to watch.

Nobody ever wants to watch that. I don't care who it is, which housewife it is. We don't really want to watch it. But I thought that this started off and was going to go a completely different direction. I thought that Heather was just going to apologize for Lisa and say, you guys shouldn't be ganging up on it. I was surprised. And the way that she started it by bringing up the campsite again, I'm like, oh, God, Heather, really see both sides.

That's where you're good at. And she does. She did. So I have to applaud her for that. Yep. The Bronwyn thing was very funny. And again, I saw it going a different direction after this scene. But the Brahmin thing was very funny because she spent a good five minutes saying how much she loves Angie, gets the Bronwyn.

you and I have our things going on here. You know, we don't know if there's a lot of resentment. I don't know if we're ever going to be able to move forward, but at least we can just squash that. And I thought Bronwyn handled herself really well. She did. She's like, I take no pleasure in seeing those things. Correct.

And I think that was the best thing that you could say because it acknowledges, yeah, I went digging, but you were an asshole to me. And there's a lot of resentment there. And I take some of those things back. And we can have a further conversation about that as they do. But I take no pleasure in seeing that. I wasn't digging it up with a smile on my face. And I think that resonated with Lisa because she does dig things up with a smile on her face.

So to understand the other side of that and that you can do these things without enjoying it, probably settled in a little bit. And it allowed everybody just kind of decompress. Reset. And it was a very hectic start to the season. It was insane. But it seemed in this moment that we were moving on to a new chapter. And that's really all we need. Well, it also lands the plane.

It does. Yeah. You know, like now those previous three, I'm like, okay, cool. Those are all good where they could have been like, ah, that was a tough start. So, bravo everybody on the cast. Well done to all of these ladies. But I usually don't write down the cut scenes in between when we get to the next scene. But these were funny because I guess Meredith is opening up a speakeasy, a caviar speakeasy in the back of her store, which is for some reason, if you heard that, my daughter's climbing upstairs right now.

She wants to come in. No, she wants to come in. She was opening the door. She was trying to open the door. Oh, she's gone. She's gone. Meredith and Seth, that was a funny scene to me and the idea of the Speakeasy for Caviar.

I love how heavy she leans into the caviar thing. She really does. She's talking about she has caviar and her center console because it's like a refrigerated center console. Is it going to be like, it's in Utah. And what I think Speak Easy, I think very classy cocktails, maybe a cigar lounge. If you're going to throw caviar in a situation like that, I understand. that. I don't think that's what it is. So I do have some questions. I think it's going to be just

caviar. Just caviar and cocktails. No, I bet she has champagne and caviar. It'll be cocktars. I don't want to think about what that might be. Maybe it's just a phase you're going through. You'll get over it. I can't help you with that. The next appointment is in six months. You're not alone. Finding mental health support shouldn't leave you feeling more lost. At CAMH, we know how frustrating it can be trying to access care. We're working to build a future where the path to support is clear and every step forward

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Do you plan on stopping by something about her the next time you're in L.A.? Or want to nominate Kyle Richards as your MVP of the year? If so, tune into the podcast behind the Velvet Rope. for host David Yantif interviews all of your favorite real housewives and bravo liberties plus he dishes the dirt seven days a week that's behind the velvet robe on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts uh no let's just move on to heather and mary because heather's hung over his shit and mary we got a call back to saying that jen shaw smells like hospital because now tequila tastes like hospital and i tried to wrap my brain around it

you know i i don't see how that tracks i think vodka tastes more like a hospital to me because like rubbing alcohol yeah um do we try something i think there's something here maybe in a past life mary spent a lot of time in the hospital oh maybe she was sick for a little while and now she's just the way you go see where i say it is like oh maybe she was a nurse or a doctor in her past life oh no i don't i mary no no no no bedside matter well she'd give it to you straight she certainly should be a doctor Yeah, I guess. Yeah, so doctor maybe.

If she was a doctor, we would know it. Dr. Cosby. Yep, yep, that's something. But I kind of understood what she was talking about, at the very least. Tequila, no. That doesn't. It smells like Mexico. It smells like, or tastes like Mexico.

It tastes like Mexico. It tastes like, I don't even go down this road. Let's just keep going. Whitney and Justin. It tastes like a good time. Yeah, yeah. I always had. weird nights on tequila it's because it's an upper it's the only alcohol it's not a

depressant so that's why if you have a funny reaction to alcohol it's because it stimulates yeah that's what i was drinking the three times that i stripped to vanessa carlton's making my way downtown yeah oh no one was soco it feels house high school yeah soko soko makes you warm remember that we used to crush southern comfort like it makes for the herring neck of the end of that era was when they brought out the soko and lime yeah oh this is going to be good And it just tasted. It was trash. And then we were done with Soko.

Yeah, they ruined it. They just leave it alone. Yeah. We used to get like the double heavy proof one, too. It was like 50% alcohol. Mm, hundred proof. Good times. Good times.

Anyway, Whitney and Justin, I genuinely thought we were getting a body paint scene. Did you? I mean, it was definitely set up like that. You remember how to do this? Yeah, before they showed us and they obviously knew they were setting it up this way. Like, yeah, I think if you just rub on it, it'll grow. Okay. Yeah, I know what you guys are up to.

A lot of sexual innuendo. I have a funny take on this. Whitney's putting her stripper pole back in because she wants to distract Justin from the fact that they're flat broke. That would make sense why she's like, do I pick it up like this? And he's just got like a face full of us. Like, hey, we just paid out all of those employees from my MLM and investors. We don't have any money right now. We have to figure out a new way to make money.

But in the interim, I'm going to put the pole back up. And I'll show you some dance moves. Or is she teasing an only fan's? No. Not until she gets kicked off the show. Maybe at that point, but I can't imagine. She wouldn't be the first housewife with one. Yeah.

Is Denise technically a housewife right now? Well, Larsa's got one. Yeah, I always forget about Larson's only feet. Larsa bought a fucking man. Is hers only feet? I don't know. Somebody who was going to do, oh, Zach was going to do research on that. Did he ever do?

He did. I know he got it. Yeah. I think it was an only fan. But I don't know. That's kind of what I thought the route was. But instead, we get to just hear, you know, sex jokes back and forth and whatever. You know, as long as they're smiling through this mess that they've created for themselves, like, okay, cool.

I also love her disposition towards the rest of the Utah moms knowing that she had a stripper bowl in her house. I actually respect it. It was like, fuck it. Yeah. Yeah. Do your thing. Who cares. We're a fun house.

Yeah, live your life. Who gives a shit. Now we get to Bronwyn and Lisa at the Vita Tequila Lounge. And, well, it's premiere. This is where I don't think it's their venue. I think they have a lounge in this place, like the premiere or something, and it's the Vita to Kill. She's like a sponsor. And that's why she goes to all of these events.

She just has. Sponsored by. She uses the company funds to sponsor certain events and gets to show up. And then she acts like she was invited to the events and takes pictures of people. I think that's what's going on here. That's what I think, too. Yeah. Which I don't care.

I'm not judging you, but the setup. Don't put makeup on a pig. That's the thing. Like the setup for all of it. Even here she can't help herself when they sit down because she's like, you know, we have lots of parties here, lots of fun people on stage, and you know she was fishing for Bronwyn to be like, oh, like who?

And Bronwyn's like, yep, I know how you are anyway. Steve Carell. Yeah. Who else did we get? Anya Taylor Joy, I believe was one of the names dropped last week. I think so, yeah. Who, phenomenal actress. But anyway, I actually respect Lisa leading it off.

Look, I wanted to have a sit down with you away from the group. There's a lot of voices in there. Let's just hash this out one-on-one, finally. And they both have reasons to feel hurt. Yeah. I mean, if you want to go back and start to figure out who through the first stone, you could probably point at Lisa, but I don't think that's really important. I think that the biggest thing here, as Lisa said at the luncheon, it's like, I acknowledge

something in you. I think that they're, like, and this is going to sound weird, but bear with me here. I think they're similar in a lot of ways. I think Bronwyn's more buttoned up and quieter. And as she says later, like you get. loud, I cut. Yeah. I think that they, like, butt heads so much because they operate similar.

Yeah. But just in a different style. I think similar things bother them. Yeah. But their reaction to those things is different. Yes. I think that's probably what it is. So they do have the same quirks.

And then once push comes to shove, they're completely different people. But at the core, they're kind of the same. I did appreciate this conversation. And it was sort of like a continuance of Lisa being vulnerable at the end. of the luncheon talking about vulnerability. I did love it during that luncheon when she went through her whole spiel afterwards, had

to announce, this is me being vulnerable. Yeah, we know. We know. Like, you don't have to smack us in the face with it. She's working on it. She is working on it. And I truly do think that she might be working on it because she's found herself in a weird position where everybody's pointing out the exact same things. And I think maybe she

realizes, okay, I can't do that anymore. That's not what I think. No? I think she realizes that she shouldn't do it anymore, but she's still going to continue to do it. I think she's the same exact person, but realize there's no way out of this corner. Yeah, I'm not using the G word yet. Yeah, no, no. We'll see if she actually evolves into somebody better, but I truly believe she was backed into a corner. It was like, okay, this isn't working.

That's why it's interesting, too, because I thought this, her idea to pick off Bronwyn here, do a one-on-one, try to squash everything, try to at least get back to a neutral territory, was interesting because where it was going, and we saw this, Bronwyn walking around looking at all the different lawsuits, Whitney was just kind of following her around like a puppy. Whitney is Lisa's number one enemy. She will always go after Lisa.

Lisa will always go after Whitney or at least knock her down a couple of pegs. But it seems like once Bromwin got involved, then you've got Angie, a formidable foe. You've got Bromwin, who seems to be standing on her own right now. We're still, you know, jury's still out. We'll see if she has a similar crumble that she did last year. But right now she's standing on her own. Her and Angie are teaming up.

Whitney's now along with that. If you remove Bramwin from the situation, a center cog, if you will, the whole thing might just fall apart. And then you can at least... Exactly. Then you're just up against Angie and you know how to fight Angie. I don't think she knows how to fight Angie, Bromwin, and Whitney altogether. But if you remove one of them, it might be okay.

Whitney's noise. Yeah. Right? So you can't focus. Yep. Bronwyn's going to find things and Angie knows how to push her buttons the best. Yeah. And she knows what to say to Lisa to get a rise out of her.

Yeah, she knows the personal things that will really bother her. Yeah. Bromwin is more, and we saw this at the end of episode two, she's buttoned up and she's calm about it, which probably scares Lisa a little bit. So if you can remove that from the equation, you're in a much better situation to take on the other people that are bothering you in some way. I agree. And the way they go about it, they do not hash thing or rehash things, which I think is smart. I think Bronwyn's something like, let's not do this and go back and like, tit for tat, you did

this, I did that. Which is always an annoying scene, too. Yeah, I don't need to see, because we've seen it, obviously, and then we get cut scenes during this where we really see it. But, you know, the kids come up, and Brown was like, I never went after your kids. And it's like, true, but whatever. And they're able to come to some kind of agreement here where it feels new. Like, I think Bronwyn intentionally says, I want to get neutral, not I want to be friends again, just because she's being guarded, which is smart. But to wrap it up with, hey, you know, that one moment where we talked about Gwen. And it was an awkward position because you're friends with the family. You're saying these nice things. Meanwhile,

I'm dealing with a much different family, but it's the same people. Bronwyn acknowledging, I don't think it was your intent to throw stones there and try to hurt me, was big. Because now Lisa needs that to be able to return that and be like, I never intended to hurt you. Correct. She wouldn't have given that to her if she still said it was malicious. And also, I don't think Bronwyn believes what she's saying, but you don't have to in this situation because if she understands how Lisa operates, that's what you have to do. And that's not even really giving up a whole lot. It's just saying, essentially, I forgive you for doing that, but in a different way

that's going to make Lisa feel good about herself. And then she can at least say, that wasn't my intention. It's like it was absolutely your intention. Without a doubt. That's why you did it. But if Brahman's now saying that, then you guys can let it go. Then we're cool. Yeah.

Yeah. And they, you know, hug. Everything's cool for the time being. I imagine Lisa's probably the one that lets slip about the fraud and theft or whatever allegations against Bronwyn from the past. I have a bad feeling about that one. There's a mayor checking her correspondence. No, it's not Mary. I don't think Mary's going to go against Bronwyn.

Merr, Meredith. Oh, Meredith. Oh, sorry. I don't think it's Meredith either. I think it's Heather trying to make a splash. And that's going to piss me off. That's definitely it. That's absolutely.

It's really going to bother me because for whatever reason, Heather's got it out for Bronwyn, even if she's not actively doing anything right now, if she comes across it, there's always one time every season, and we always get pissed about it. Overstep. Completely not in your wheelhouse. Heather might do it. I know why. Why?

Lisa and Bronwyn are going to start to get close again. Heather's going to get irritated by that, feel threatened, and she's going to throw a little shot in there. Oh, man. I can't mark it. I just had a really bad feeling. And it started with Heather doing a really good job of the luncheon and me commending her for all of those things. Then I think back, what have you done in the past? Oh, yeah, you always try to make that big splash somewhere in the middle of the season.

Neverlands. It's always annoying. This one could go a little differently depending on where everybody is. But for whatever reason, when she initiates things, it doesn't work. It doesn't because she doesn't check her boxes. Yeah. You know, she leaves too many open doors and then it falls apart. And then instead of conceding, she doubles, triples, quadruples down and that gets pissed

off at everybody else and it's not fun TV because angry Heather's not fun. Heather is, we've already, we've said this a million times, comedic relief, uh, the voice of reason sometimes and just, the time party girl. Yeah, like we like that Heather a lot, but they're cool for the time being, which is good because we're able to move on from that as well. Hold on one. And I cannot tell you how excited I am that we're going back to church. I didn't realize the church was out of commission for a little while.

That meaning was the best thing I've ever seen. I wrote in my notes, we need that painting in this. We do need that painting. Even if we print it out from like a screenshot. I mean, I do want the painting in its original form, of course. But if somebody were to replace it with Mary instead of her grandma, Fine by me. I would prefer to have the OG painting.

Correct. But in that painting, we superimpose Mary's face like next to Jesus. That would be great. We need this photo. It's fantastic. If there's anybody that listens to us that does photos. I wish we could have met Mary's grandmom. Me too.

Yeah. And her mom after this scene. I don't know about her mom. I needed, bro. Imagine cameras. We're having a really hard time with moms on this show right now. I'm going to tear me. we need that one.

Oh, dude, Muzzy sucks. Muzzies. I know she's dealing with a lap, but wow, that was brutal. But no, I need that painting right here. It can replace us in our first live show. That's fine. It was a big night, but we can move that somewhere else. And I need it right now.

Not even our first one. No, that was New York with Batchel Boy. He's not in the picture. Not there yet, but no, that's, yeah. That's a good one, no. But anyway, I want that photo. So if anyone out there does photo printing and framing and things like that, and you think you can help us out with this one?

we'll pay you. We'll pay for it. Certainly will. So let us know in the DMs or email us. But anyway, this whole scene is about, and I'm shocked that we addressed it. And I think this is a big positive for Mary. I think we've really, last year was a great season, obviously, for so many reasons. It was an incredible strength season from her, Robert Jr.

She also was involved, like when it wasn't her talking about Robert, she was involved with the group. She actually cared. She chimed in. A lot of good stuff there. this is kind of that last hurdle that we needed from. Like, hey, you have a weird life. Go back to church. We need to know what's going on at church.

I want to know. I want you to acknowledge. Finding out that the church is being renovated and has been renovated over the last two years made me feel better. Same. Because it's not like she was actively avoiding it. Right. So that's what I thought it was. And now finding out that they've been renovating.

So they're going to open doors at some point this year. God, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I get those nails hammered out. Literally. But hearing the back. story of the church. I'm like, wow, could you imagine if we had cameras for that? So it's a whole

different show. It's wildly different because on one hand, I'm glad, because we haven't talked about the fact that she married her grandfather since she was on the show for like her first season. So I'm glad she acknowledges that. I'm really glad she acknowledges like, it's odd for everybody. I'm like, thank you for that. I don't think you know how much I needed that to just know that you think it's all so weird. But then because of that whole set up, so grandma, wow, my voice just cracked. so excited grandma uh grandma wanted mary to run the church mary's mother wanted to run the church so by mary marrying her grandfather she's next in in line mom doesn't like that so mom tries to throw a coup orchestrate a coup and brings a crew into the church to the point that they had to have police escort mom out of the church then mom goes on a press tour and tries to to smear her daughter in the paper to regain power. Are you fucking kidding me?

That's a movie. By the way, that happened in season one. I know. She was already filming and already part of the show when that all went down. We missed out on so much. We missed out on so much. We could have broken all of that down.

Instead, I'm okay with the afterthought here. This is fine. Let's just work through it. Let's hear some more. Let's get your cousin involved. What was the name, Big Lou? Big Joe.

I love Big Joe. I love Big Joe. I love Big Joe. I love that Mary goes to her confessional and says, yeah, he's still milking it. Part of the family, but milking it. It seems like a good dude. Seems solid.

Good on camera. He knew what he was doing. Too much. No. You know, he stayed cool. It was a good scene. It was a really good scene. And then we got to Angie Kay and Heather, which this is gold.

And this is why this show is so good, because Heather comes in to get her hair done from Angie, who clearly hasn't done it in 30 years because she snaps her in the eye with a hair curler. But she lets Heather. know. This is so fucking petty. I love it so much. At one point, Lisa's assistant shows up. Yep. Hey, I'm here to get all the fresh wolf. I also love that there were cameras here for this. Me too. So they knew Lisa told them, hey, I'm going to send my assistant over to go pick that up. Make sure you have cameras there. Angie probably thought, oh, this is actually kind of nice. I'm redoing, learning all of how the hair things operate. I got to do my whole salon over.

You guys are so nice for being here during this. That's not why they're there. Ambush. Ambush. I love that. It's so good. Lisa, text her, hey, Venmoji $600 for the products. If you need somebody to come in and clean, I can Venmo you as well or pay more because

for your dusty salon or whatever. I think the second comment hit Angie so much harder. I agree. I think this is, the first part is almost expected. You're almost anticipating. She's going to do something. I did mention the fresh wolf is here. I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to take it back or offer this or whatever.

That was completely par for the course. The second part saying, yeah, if I need to send my cleaners over and clean up all the dust that's over there, I will. Okay, now you're attacking my business again. Here we go. And I think that inadvertently she took a shot at herself, though, if you really want to look into it because the dust has accrued on the fresh wolf products. Yeah. But that's neither here nor there. And I love that Angie in that little cutscene picks up a fresh wolf product.

Did you see it goes? It blows the dust off. Nice job. But she tells Heather this. And I guess her response was actually pretty solid. It's like, well, at least I don't have to pay or take that $600 and pay back the people you owe. Yeah. I didn't understand Lisa's response where it's like, well, at least I don't have other people

pay for my vacations. Yeah, that was projecting. That's what I felt like. Yeah. Even Angie acknowledges that. I thought maybe it was the same thing that we saw. saw her do with Bronwyn talking about the Amex receipt and saying that she just blows Todd when she gets the Amex receipts. I don't know if maybe Angie at one point in time said,

oh yeah, yeah, Sean and I are going down to Cabo or whatever. I just put it, I got a lot of miles on my credit card and did this or whatever. And it was just like such a weird non-issue, not something to bring up ever. And Lisa probably thinks it's enough to at least ruffle her feathers. I don't know exactly what she was doing, but it worked. Yeah, I know. It really landed. The exact quote was, at least I don't have to borrow money to pay for vacations for borrowing cards or something. Yeah, it didn't make a whole lot of sense. No, and we haven't heard anything like that either, so it doesn't track. But it's enough for Angie, like, what the fuck happened?

Heather's like, what the fuck happened? And in real time, you watch, and I don't think she's out of line here. She's doing Heather's hair to start, you know, taking some shots at Lisa. And Lisa's like, or Heather's like, sorry, this is what I'm talking about. Because she starts talking about her hair and all that. It's like, well, what do you expect? Like, this was a petty move. She's being petty in return, but you're Lisa's keeper.

So now you have to defend Lisa Barlow. It's like... It's just when Heather's put into the middle of those things. She's always going to lean Lisa. I would like to see just some neutrality from her. If you're in a situation where Lisa's talking shit on Angie, I would like to see the exact same thing. It's not at least you're consistent. We don't really have an issue with consistency here.

But if you go and sit with Lisa and allow her to talk shit on Angie, then we're going to have a problem. A massive problem. Because you can't do that and put on. this face of, I just want to keep the group together. Angie, you got to stop. Lisa, you got to stop, but only do it to Angie. It doesn't make a ton of sense. And I agree with you. I don't think that Angie said anything really below

the belt. All she said was, yeah, and I don't think that that company's going to want her, what? Because her hair is really shiny. It looks like it's bowling, what does she say? Bowling ball black. And it's like, okay, it's not like mean. No, and Heather, I think the big thing is Heather knows this will be on

screen. And if she doesn't actively defend Lisa, at the reunion, she's going to have the answer. Correct. Exactly. I think that's exactly what it was. But it reignites conflict for something that we've discussed, but nothing that we've really dove into.

So it's similar but new. It's similar but new. And it's also very funny because at the luncheon, she said, I love you, Angie, and I want to just move on. Not really. Not really. And that goes to throw you off. That goes back to my point that she hasn't changed.

Just putting myself at Lisa's brain, I do wonder if she walked away from the luncheon and She's like, I shouldn't have just said, I'm sorry and said that I love Angie right away. She made fun of Fresh Wolf. She made fun of my son. So let me go after that. Yeah. Yeah. It might have even happened after she sat down with Bronwyn, and Browning's like, kids are off limits.

She's like, wait a minute, you're right. You're right. Kids are off limits. Angie took a shot at Jack's company. I'm going to take her down. Assistant. Could have been. Go pick up the Fresh Wolf.

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Yeah. What the fuck was this? This was, I wouldn't put any of the other housewives in this situation except for Whitney. Whitney actually handled it pretty well. Whitney handled it perfect. Yeah, I think she did a good job. She's the only one that might, I don't think she's going to get through to Brittany, but she's the only one that would be able to keep a straight face during that and handle it very seriously.

it was astounding so obviously Jared osman comes back up as he always does they broke off the engagement but as always they're back together in some regard remember they broke off the engagement because the kids weren't cool with it so they're working their way back to an engagement I had to write down the shit that she said because I was like I rewound it and I was like you didn't say that that would be rewound this one too so the daughter's request to be able to piece their relationship back together. As we know last season, they had just made like a big first step into potentially having any kind of relationship. Her request is for Brittany to be consistent to not pick men over her. Her response is,

but that would be super hard. Are you kidding? Jared's really good to me. No, he's not. No, he's not. He's in the brow girls. He's no how delusional she is. Whitney's handling of this was perfect.

It was. Stop her right in her tracks, look at her and say, Olivia said, don't do this. Would you be okay with not dating men for 30 days? Don't talk to them, don't date them, just show some consistency for 30 days. Don't have a relationship with your child. And you would have thought that Whitney, or that Whitney showed her like a calculus equation and said, can you solve this?

Yeah. She was so confused. She's going, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, sure? There's not a way around this? I'm like, what are you doing? And in her mind, you can see her wheel spinning, her one wheel spinning. She's trying to figure out a way out of it.

She's trying to figure out a way that she can have both. And you can't. You can't because she made it very clear. Mom, I want a relationship with you. You need to slow down on the dudes because it's fucking up our relationship. Yep. When she says that line, is it really that hard to stop for a short amount of time? Her response was, that's a big ask.

And Whitney, and I'm glad she said this. She can relate. She's like, look, I was. a strange for my mom for a long time. It was really difficult. We've worked through things. We're still working on things. But that's never been lost on me that my mom wasn't around. I still love my mom and going through what I've gone through losing my business. Like, I've really leaned on her heavy. So like, that's an important thing that you need to kind of take care of. She's leading her so slowly to water, trying to get her to take a sip. And she's still

not understanding because she's like, I want to be there for Olivia, but that's impossible because she doesn't make space for me. Why? Because you're with piece of shit dudes like Jared Osmond, and she doesn't want to be involved with that. These are your decisions that's estranging your daughter from you, and here you have a blueprint given to you, buy your child, do this, we'll be okay.

And she can't fathom saying Jared, fuck off her a little bit to repair that relationship. To the point, and Whitney... Not that Jared would care either. And that's the other, like, once you start going down that rabbit hole, you try to play out a scenario in your head that actually makes sense. Brittany could go to Jared, say, hey, I need to just reconcile with Olivia. I need to take a little space. Jared would probably be not okay with that.

Would keep hounding her. Brittany would give it immediately, so that doesn't work. Hey, fuck off. I just need to, like, get a little bit of space here. And then you could see Jared's reaction saying, well, if she's not okay with us, then should she be in your life, which is probably something he would say. Yeah. You would think a normal person would say, yeah, she's my daughter. Of course, I'm going to take her side.

Brittany would still take Jared's side. So no matter what, this is not going to work. It's just, it's insane. And Whitney, because she maintained her mellowness, if you will, is able to, like, she's like, you know, I'm going to be honest with you. I feel a type of way about this. Like, you really need to hear me. You really need to fix this.

I hope that Olivia sees this and cuts her mom. forever. I hope they never have a relationship because the fact that she had to sit here and go through the pros and cons of potentially not repairing a relationship with her child, you don't deserve to have a child. Here's a woman that has never actually stepped foot in Brittany's house and she's never stepped foot in Whitney's house explaining to your mom in the plainest of terms to do this and she's still probably not going to do it. She won't do it. That's why she kept saying yeah, yeah, yeah. This woman who doesn't know me has never met me. It doesn't even understand what our relationship is like, he's pleading with my mom to do it.

To hang out with you. Just to hang out with you and try to reconcile a relationship, she's not going to do it. No. That's crazy. Yeah. Don't let her back in your life. You deserve so much better than that, Olivia, and your mom is an awful person. This was brutal, and it leads us into another horrible mom scene.

We gave Muzzy, it's not Muffy, it's Muzzy. Muffy was funnier. But we gave her some slack last week because I, of everything that she's going through. That's out the window. Yeah, no slack. Zero. Slack left.

Gone. Because obviously she's moved into the house. We get a really funny scene, I thought, and any other mom that would have been there would have probably laughed along with Bronwyn. Because Logan, I guess his name is, is that right? Logan and Gwen, they said that they joined a bowling league on Wednesday nights. They don't actually bowl, I guess.

So Bronwyn's like, oh, you know, you rascals, like, where are you going? They're like bowling, bye. And she's trying to laugh with her mom. she is such an asshole and she is so stuck in these old fucked up Mormon ways of how things are supposed to be Bronwyn is trying and I also wanted to point out something earlier where she's in a confessional saying she's trying to be softer trying to acknowledge that she comes on a little harsh and wants to soften up because why she doesn't want to be like Muffy and I said that intentionally yeah no that's fair and she also said something to Lisa

about this relationship, which gave me a little bit of hope because she said that her mom explained, sometimes I just need to be a grandmother and not a mother. And it's like, okay. Steps. You're trying to remove yourself in the situation and just trying to be a grandmother. And we all know grandparents, they're not the parents of their grandchild. So they are completely hands off and basically let the kid do whatever they want. They're the fun people.

And then they chime in here and there or whatever. And it's fine. And that's a good relationship to have. So that gave me a little bit of hope. There's no hope left there for this one. No, she's miserable because she's trying to comment on Bronwyn's parenting style, which is so funny. Yeah.

Because you're coming from the stance, muzzie, of look what I was able to. That's how you parent. You did a bad job then. Yeah. If these are your stipulations of what it means to raise a child the correct way, I think Bronwyn, for all things considered, turned out pretty well. Gwen seems like she's got a good head on her shoulders, clearly a good mom. but you want to compare the two and say that's why because Bronwyn's like well it doesn't bother me

and she's like well that's why it doesn't bother her what doesn't bother hanging out with her boyfriend what does that even mean yeah muzzie that doesn't make any damn sense and then i'm glad Bronwyn enters with did the way that you parent work boom mic drop and she's like well yes because and it's like no because b y you said no sex you said no sex she's like i never once said that i just taught you not to drink or smoke or bang before marriage. How did that turn out, Muzi, you dumb ass, because it didn't work, because she did all of those things, got pregnant, and still managed to turn her life around, not even around. You're acting like having a kid, your grandchild who just left the house or you're supposed

to love, you're acting like that was a bad thing. This was at every turn, everything that she said was worse and worse. And that's the worst part because Bron was trying to show her like, hey, but this is good, right? and she's like, I do have a silver lining about all of that, and I'll do that after I get through all of the bullshit that Muzzy was spewing. Okay.

I mean, the worst line of all was, and you could see this, too. And this was something that we were somewhat ignoring last week. Again, we gave her a pass. First time we're meeting her, she's driving to North Carolina, or North California every day, trying to go unpack all this stuff with her husband with Alzheimer's.

Like, there's a lot of shit going on. Sure. Fine. We give her a little bit of a pass. But in this scene, the way she was reacting to everything, the problem was saying, She always had another thing to say, which was lower and lower and lower.

And I don't think Bronwyn was taking shots by any stretch of the imagination. All she was doing is defending herself and defending her child. Yep. That's all she was trying to do. From her mom. From her mom. That's all she was trying to do. And she was doing it in the most polite way possible, giving her mom as many passes as possible.

Again, we have a very good idea of what this relationship is like from last week and this week. But every time that Bronwyn said something, which was fine, she would go love. It's not like she's trying to get a rise out of Bromwin. She's trying to hurt her. Yes. And the foster house comment was the worst one. The fact that you dumped her off like daycare with me was, you know, you know what, what? And she even says like, what, mom, I was working to provide for my child.

It's like, yeah, but, you know, we weren't there. Like, God forbid she ended up in foster care and all, and you just needed to have her. She couldn't be adopted. It's like those were the two options where she has to be watched by her grandparents or she's going to go to foster care. No, Brownwin would figure it out. Bromwin wasn't an unfit parent. She was working.

She wasn't going to be like, oh, I need to keep this minimum wage job, and I have to get rid of my child. She would figure it out. She was scoffing at Bronwyn for the idea of you just had to keep this baby. Like, that's your grandchild who's going to watch this, by the way, which is not going to land well. I promise you that. She's not going to be stoked to watch Muzzy talking shit about her.

And it gets worse. We get this awful story because Bronwyn's sisters were pregnant at the same thing. time, which I think is a big, big point that we didn't get to hear before, they went to baby gap. Bronwyn was there. Bronwyn's pregnant. They go to the cashier and they're like, oh, you're buying for your granddaughters? And I'm just like, yes, I am.

Not for this one. Not buying her shit. Because I guess Bronwyn said it's, yeah, it's for my sisters. I'm not getting anything. And her mom said to a cashier, no, not for her. That's atrocious. And then the worst part other than the foster care comment, which is that's on par to me as the CPS comment made on O.C.

Yeah. Like, that's similar, like, same vibe. But Muzzy's trying to be the victim of this whole thing. And Bromwin's big sticking point was, like, you made sure that I never had a happy pregnancy. That's not my fault. It's... Yeah, it fucking is. Yeah.

Because you made sure that she wasn't happy. You're able to enjoy this process that landed her, her daughter, who she loves and who has given a good life to. And then you want to bring up daddy's job? What? At the Mormon church, which is the reason that this whole thing is fucked up in your eyes because, oh, God forbid.

It's just such loser behavior. She's like a step away from blaming the Alzheimer's on this. Honestly. I wouldn't be surprised. Like your dad probably would have been able to maintain his mental state if he wasn't worried about you. For the rest of his life, if it wasn't for this. I'm sure that's probably somewhere down the road.

But silver lining. What? We have seen, and we could juxtapose these two scenes from last week and this week, Bronwyn seems to be a little bit more comfortable with this and actually calling out her mom a little bit. So this might be therapeutic for Bronwyn being on this show and filming with this.

It still fucking sucks, but I think this is going to be good for Bronwyn because she'll be able to find her voice like she did with Todd last year. Okay. Last year in the beginning, we saw her with Todd. She was very meek, very meager, not really sure what she wanted to say, just kind of let Todd do the walking and the talking.

By the end of the season, she was actually bringing up things that bothered her. So it might be therapeutic for her, the other part of this, and this is the Todd wild card. Oh, the Todd card. Todd is incredibly defensive of Gwen. Oh, that's a good point.

What is he going to do with this? Ooh, that's a good point. If Bronwyn says, yeah, I'm having a really hard time with my mom. She did this, this, this, and this, and this about Gwen. Get the fuck out of my house. He's going to kick her the fuck out. Yeah. And look, I don't think that Todd's a great person.

I don't really like Todd in particular. But if we need to sick a wild card who has said some crazy shit about other housewives being mean to his, wife any sense of mean shit to his wife do you think that his wife's mom is off limits living in his house five years apart yeah like you're yeah that's a great point that is a silver line she that might happen it might get to that point i god i actually hope so that would be good retribution the scene ends with like like you said it gets lower and lower and lower i thought we were going to get her trying to at least be nice at the end yeah you were still hold down hope. No, just

not even for Muzzy, just for like humanity. Like for your, you're related to this person. This is your child. She's like, just because I don't, I'll go ahead. Big, big question here. Sure. What is religion all about? Love, like, what? Yeah, seriously. You know, taking care of each other.

This is your family? Yeah, it's all about family as well. It would be one of those situations where we could see this play out a little differently if she was this overbearing, loving grandmother to Gwen and Bromwin felt some type of way because she was never like that with her. That would actually make sense to me. A different story.

And that would be completely normal. Yeah. And it sucks that it's normal. But that is completely normal in the real world. This is wild. And I don't understand it. And I never understand it when people who are so involved with the church

and the church is their whole life, but they're mean to their own children and their grandchildren. That doesn't make any sense to me. It's the Jesus cloak. Yeah. We've talked about it. That's a great line.

Is that that, what it was, Jesus Clothes. Jesus Curtain. Jesus Curtain. It is the Jesus Curtain. You're hiding behind this. Not to be confused with the Jesus' painting. No, that's totally different.

Best thing I've ever seen. That's the greatest thing in the world. But it ends with this. And this was just, this can't be good for Bronwyn's mental health. Just because I don't say you're so amazing or wonderful, doesn't mean I don't think so. I'm just busy making sure you don't feel that way. Yeah. So you're actively trying to fuck up your daughter's mental state.

because of a decision she made when she was 18 years old in college that led to her having a child of whom she has a beautiful relationship with, has built this life around Gwen to try to make sure that Gwen has everything she needs to avoid the mistakes that she made herself. To me, that sounds like a great amazing parenting story, a great rags to riches story, of something that could have went totally left. And instead, she has this beautiful house. She's married to a guy that takes care of her, takes care of Gwen, who's taking care of you, you, Muffy, and you want to sit in that house and throw stones, you miserable asshole,

go back to Northern California. I don't care anymore. That was awful. And I can't imagine the mental toll it's taking on Bronwyn, the only other silver lining, other than hopefully Todd kicking Muffy out of the house, is maybe Bronwyn will be able to close this chapter and stop vying for approval from her mother. Yep. Do you think the mother and Gwen's dad's parents are friends?

And they probably talk shit about Bromwin. I thought that too. Nonstop. They probably run in the same circles, socialites. Awful. Amy's there. It was awful. Yeah, Amy, Socialite, Utah Socialite was there.

But the episode ends with another just amazing scene, which, thank God. This was a head scratcher. This was confusing. But, like, the setup I love because you get Meredith and Angie Kay sitting down. And I was surprised we even got to sit down. I don't think they really talked anymore. other than like in the group but they sit down

and Angie lets her in on what just happened with Lisa you know with the assistant coming with the fresh wolf whatever and she's like by the way just to let you know back when you and I were feuding and you and Lisa were still good

I was good with Lisa Lisa reached out to me and gave me some material she said hey you should do digging on this guy and this guy and that woman there's bank Cripsy. I believe there was theft in there. There was multiple allegations that Lisa was telling Angie to go find.

All you have to do is Google it. I believe that 1,000%. I mean, I believe it. The problem is, what can you prove? And we know Lisa, she likes to sit on the phone for hours. She's not texting this shit out. There's not going to be any. I don't think there's any proof whatsoever, and Lisa can deny this, and then immediately cast Angie out.

I disagree. All right. Here's why. I think it's going to fall flat. I think it's going to blow up in her face. And look, I have a different take on this than you do. Okay. With Angie, I'm worried with how active she is because I don't want her to start thinking that she's the center.

I know she's center. I know she's center. I do think she needs to get knocked down a little bit. And I think this is a good way to do it because I think this is going to blow up in her face. And everyone's going to be like, what the fuck is this? Do you want to know my take? Yeah, go for it. I think we're seeing the battle of the sense.

center snowflake. Okay. Who comes out on top? And here's why, one, I could totally see that happening. Like, that's a very plausible outcome to this, that she flounders and fails. The other side of it is, we've watched Angie turn into a pretty fantastic housewife. Yeah. Coming from hiding behind people's shoulders talking about the pit bull comment or whatever back in the day.

Chihuahua. Chihuahua. That's it. I'm stuck on pit bull from Miami. Dollar. Dalai? Pipple. Yeah.

Oh, Mr. 305. Where's the sound? You just said Pipple from Miami and you didn't expect a Dale? No, I was saying I was ROM and then I got stuck on that. That praise is just, it opens up so many doors. Amen.

But I think that, or I hope that, and I'm not 100% sold on this. I probably lean more towards where you think it's going, but I have hope that she's learned enough. throughout the years, especially if you're going to take on Lisa, and especially if you guys, that's what I think this is. And that's why I think this got rehashed.

I do think this is the battle for who is the HBIC. I think that Angie hopefully is smart enough now and is weathered enough now, where she's like, I'm not going to go at her unless I have receipts. Right. So I think she might have something. I mean, that would be cool just to see how it plays out. I just, I don't really think she has them. That's kind of where I am right now.

And I could be proven wrong. easily. Yeah. The gears, like I said, is super plausible. Like, if that happens, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I'm just hoping that we've learned enough that she is a season vet now where she's like, I'm not going to take a swing unless I know I've got this. That's fair.

So, but it sets up. It's a really good cliffhanger. That's it, yes. It's a very good cliffhanger for a very good show that gets us to the point that we don't really get to with a lot of these shows because we understand how things are usually going to play out. But the fact that we can sit here and debate what might happen next is great. That's so good.

What more did you ask for? It makes such better TV. And that doesn't, like usually, and I'm sure you guys at home can do the same thing, you could probably roadmap once you get to episode 10 or even eight of most franchise. You can probably roadmap the rest of the season. This one you can't. And that's why we love them. But let's get to some questions.

First one up here from CLL 1211. Do you feel like it's a pre-planned Lisa gang up? No, not anymore. I didn't think it was pre-planned before either. I think it was just boiling over. Like, we can't keep putting up with. the same shit over and over again. Mm-hmm.

From Tessa von Den Steinen. I'm sure I got that wrong. Pardon me? Yeah, Tessa von Den Steinen. Tessa. Tessa, maybe. I've never been more scared of a woman than Muffy and all of her judgments on Brownman.

Yeah. I'm not scared of her. I just, I despise her. From Steph Rossler, R.D. No question, but Muzzy would be in a nursing home after that conversation. Yeah. For sure. She might be.

Todd might come in. That would be even funny if he just like... Get the fuck out. No. Let's go for a drive. He just pulls up and see ya. Talk about my stepdaughter like that. Go fuck yourself.

From It's Sin, do you all think what Whitney told Brittany at the plant shop really got through her head? No. No, I don't think so at all. As Shooter said, she was trying her absolute best to mental gymnastics away. into being able to just be with Jared. Oh, this is actually really good. I forgot to bring this up because I was thinking the same thing.

From, I can't say this name. Can you guys just have better names on Instagram? And we can read. G.T. Giorolo? It's just tough. G.T. Jerulo. Yeah, we'll say that. Jason, Gerulo.

Mother off, Reba, Sutton's mom. Or Muzzy. Who do you pick? Reba. Reba, because there was a fucking resolution. at the end of all that. We had a lot of things to say about Riba during that, but it seemed the way that

that was going, it finally got to a point where she was going to be supportive of her daughter. I don't see Muzzy ever getting supportive of her daughter. You can also compare two very similar lines, but they ended differently. Riba said, just because I don't say I love you,

doesn't mean I don't love you. I love you. Muzzy, Muffy, who gives a shit? Well, I have to read it again. I don't say you're so amazing and wonderful doesn't mean I don't think so I'm just busy making sure you don't feel that way yeah different yeah uh next up here from Beck Gibbo the lack of apology to Whitney but one to Heather was the final straw between Lisa and Whitney happened like three years ago they they are irreconcilable the final straw between Lisa and Whitney happened when

Whitney said I heard you blow a guy for jazz tickets yeah that was it and honestly no coming back from that one probably before that even Lisa wrote her off a long time ago yeah we'll do one more in here a lot of muzzy content huh actually took her to task we'll do two more here from Stephanie Mews do you see

Angie stepping into a villain role I'm not reading the end of that because fuck the Dodgers it might be anti-hero perhaps I don't ever see a full villain I don't see a full villain on this show really at all no because everyone has like some form of redeemable quality

where you're not like, wow, she's awful. Like, we haven't seen a villain on this show since Jen Shaw. Even Monica Garcia wasn't like full-blown villain until you found out that she really was. Yeah. But during the season, she wasn't taking that stance. I think Jen Shaw was the last, like, villain

that we've seen here. Agreed. And last one here from Fush 78. Will Heather ever stop kissing Lisa's ass? Ever? No. No, I don't think it's going to happen. No. And like, you just see proof of it. Even in this episode where she has trying desperately to be neutral, she still can't help herself. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, that's it. Well, I mean, we're off to a great start. This show

rocks. I'm so happy it's back on our screens. Potomac is also back. If you haven't listened to that recap, go ahead and listen to that one now that you're done with this one. That's also off to a good start. We've got a lot of our non-housewife shows starting to trickle back in soon. It's a good time to be a Bravo fan, everybody. It's a really good time. We've had to put up with some shit to get here. So enjoy yourselves. But that's all I got. You got anything else?

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