Bros & Shows - LITIGATION BY LISA BARLOW feat. Poster Boards (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

What's up Bros? This show rocks. This episode is exactly why RHOSLC stands alone at the top. Lisa plans a lunch for Group D as she calls them, and its an ambush in an attempt to explain her lawsuits away. Angie and her dad have a wonderful scene together and we are fully on board with her leaning further into the Greek stuff. Bronwyn has a much different convo with both Todd and her mom. Granted, her mother is going through a LOT right now, but it still wasn't our favorite scene. At Blue Sky Lodge, group A goes skeet shooting. Group D arrives for lunch and a whole lot of Kinko's poster boards... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's episodes like this that remind me just how high above Roslick is than the other housewife franchises. This was cinema. This was phenomenal. The setup was perfect. It was one of those episodes where you knew there was going to be a huge payoff at the end. You could just get through everything because you wanted to know where everybody stays or where everybody's going to land. It was perfect. It's just a great episode of TV, great show, great cast, great season.

God, I don't know if this is the O.C. effect, but every time I say stuff like that, I just worry about the other side. I'm like, pros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. I got to have me my Bros and shows. I got to have me my Bros. and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Ross Lick-Megger. Goots. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. We've got our members here with us tonight. So exclusively, they will be asking us questions at the end, which usually goes pretty interestingly. And if you would like to do that, you could become a member today. Steele, tell them how to do it. Go to the link in our bio, hit that button, sign up, or go to the URL, the bros.memberful.com. It's $5 for the month, $50 for the year. I will be honest with both. our members here and with you guys,

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But we're not here to talk about that right now. We're here to talk about Roslick. And I had a really, like a really long day. And as you know, like I'm doing my cooking thing and at the gym and everything still, I had to, we got a one year old birthday on Saturday. So I got to make sure the lawn and everything is all fixed up looking prim and proper. And I'll be honest, it's kind of taken a back seat because my schedule's been so nuts. So I had a grueling day. All right.

I have not stopped working since I woke up this month. morning and I got to the end of it and I saved Roslick for the end and I was still excited. That's how good this show is. I had to go work. It did. It reinvigorated me, which is good because then I'm like, then I get to go talk to my friends, my members, my Magooter. It turned my whole day around.

As it usually does, honestly. And you know what I'm really worried about? This season's going fast. We're already three episodes in. What the hell? I know. Slow down. Jesus Christ.

I thought it was like. two months in when we got to episode three of OC, but we're at episode three of this and I feel like it just blinked. I know, that's the funny thing with the like the really good shows is they go so fast. I mean, I feel like Miami like came and went like that. We hit the finale like two weeks ago. That was, it's been two weeks. We don't have any Miami this week. Like, that's crazy. I guess it's been one week. But that's, that's my point. We don't have any Miami this week. I wait, now the reunion. Yeah, the reunion. Right. All right, right. Did you think it was over? I thought they were skipping a week and I didn't know. I had a long,

day, okay? Leave me alone. But let's jump into this episode and we start out immediately with LB at a Vita event. And it's her rearranging furniture to make it perpendicular as we always see her do. But I have a question before we really dive in. And I'm actually curious what our members have to say about this. Deal. What? Oh, you're calling on me. You had a question. Yeah. I got it now. Thanks. Anyway, my question is, Is production pissed off at Lisa because she big league the premiere because she seems like in her own little world, which is rapidly declining, by the way, that it's all about her. And we know that Lisa thinks this is her show. And in a lot of regards it is.

Like she is the star of this program and we all know that. But is she getting too big for her britches? Is she doing too much right now? I don't think she's doing too much that isn't asked of her. I think when they spend the entire first episode that she's not there talking about her and her lawsuits and basically just gearing up for her arrival, she does have to respond. You know what I mean? So I don't know exactly what you would expect. And yeah, I think there are certain things that she says here and there that she doesn't have to say.

But that's also what makes Lisa Barlow great. I do really think if we can like reopen what we were talking about last week, she's been dealing with people going after her for like. And it's been relentless for two, three seasons at this point, pretty much since Jen Shaw's been out, she's been the HBCIC, she's been the target, she's been the number one person to take down. And I think it's finally getting to her. And I think what we're seeing now is just sort of like the cracks in the statue that is Lisa Barlow, where now she's like kind of just losing it. And it's, look, it's entertaining. It's very fun to watch. But even with the end of this episode, when she's talking to J.B.

in the beginning of the episode, there are little things that she says here and there that you won't really see Lisa say. She doesn't really let on too much. She's always been flamboyant. She's always been the center of attention. But there's little things here and there that she's taking very personally and she's going after specific people instead of just kind of keeping it generalized. So I'm keeping an eye on that because I do think that she's probably a little fatigued. She's been trying to defend herself for a couple of years. I'm at the point now where it seems like she might need some help and I don't know where the help comes from. see I'm on the other side of it because to me it's like I totally get what you're saying and there obviously is some merit there but from the way I look at it she's been doing this bullshit for three years right like you know it's all about me I'll be this I'll be that and in previous seasons we've seen the cast kind of tiptoe around it not wanting to set her off or not knowing how to go into these arguments or altercations with her

What you're seeing from the cast now, and we saw it at the end of this episode a lot, they're mellow. Like, they're really not getting activated by her shit anymore. I think they're tired of it. And I think that's what we're seeing as well. It could be kind of a combo of both Lisa's tired and the group's tired. I think it's a combo of a lot of different things. And I think those are two pieces. I think what we're seeing is, I don't think it's that they're mellowed out because they're tired of her shit.

I think it's almost like practice makes perfect. I mean, like Whitney, she's going to be Whitney no matter what. But she has been going after Lisa for a long time. And it doesn't really matter that she sucks at going after people. She, like, her hits never land. But it is really tiring. So I don't really blame Lisa for just kind of being annoyed by Whitney at pretty much every turn. But it seems like Bromwin, at least for now, now I think that is going to change when the identity theft thing comes out in a couple of weeks, whenever that happens.

But right now it seems like Bromwin has a better head on her shoulders. Heather's kind of staying out and we see a little bit of a shift in there. I don't really have a whole lot of hope for that because I never do. She's still a kiss-ass. But right now, you're seeing the tides turn a little bit. Meredith being asleep for the entire season doesn't really help her at all. But I also don't think that Meredith has a big intention to show up for Lisa or really anybody that is Meredith or everybody in her family.

So I think what we're seeing is that Lisa's been doing this for years. She's tired of doing it. She's going a little loopy. but also I think the other women are starting to get a little bit more confident when they're going after her where they're not screaming and shouting and going nuts and I also don't think and I really had to like kind of analyze this I don't think that what the women are doing they're just kind of staying on point and that's really rattling Lisa which we haven't really seen her get this rattled this quickly this many times in a season before and we're in episode three that's the shocking part she was only here for

two episodes. I know, man. It's going to make for an interesting season. But back to Vita with Lisa. Steve Carell is going to be there, Jason Schwartzman, some other people. I don't care. I do think it's funny that she always name drops. I think she drops like five people. And her big thing that she keeps sounding off on, we've seen this from Lisa in the past, but it does seem elevated this season. Nobody understands when you do big things, you run a big business, you make big moves, you're going to get sued. Which I agree with that, actually. I do agree.

But she can say that in a totally different way, an absolutely different way. Correct. So, yes, I get where she's coming from. Yes, if you run a big company, a successful company, you're going to catch lawsuits. It happens. We see it all the time. So it's not anything shocking. I guess for me, the way that she's going about it, the way she's talking, even in solo scenes with J.B.

Husband boss and their crew setting up for this, I'm like, this seems defensive. It seems very defensive because you. keep pushing, and no one's even questioning you right now. You're at a party by yourself, and yet you're still defending. Everything that she seems to do in these first two episodes raises more questions. That's why it's a weird tactic where she's addressing a lot of the things as being dismissed, but once you do that, people are already digging. And I don't really care what the rest of the cast says.

They always accuse her of digging. Everybody digs. You're on a housewife show. They all dig. It's part of the, it's on all of your resumes. It's prerequisite to be a housewife. you have to be able to dig on social media and you have to be able to read court documents. That's really what you have to do at this point in this day and age in the housewife era.

I don't think that it's really that big of a deal. I think that she could easily brush it off and say, look, yeah, of course, we're tied up in different law proceedings. People are suing me for different things. That's what happens when you have a big company. Everybody wants to slice. Everybody wants to sue you for whatever the fuck they want. And it's going to go through everything. And eventually it's going to get dismissed.

If she took that same approach to everything, then, it would be fine. I really don't think it would be that much of an issue. But you could see when it gets to that certain lawsuit that we get to later, she stammers. She has a completely different excuse. She's got a different set of reasons. And it's weird because it should just be like you did where you put it out the poster boards. And when you're talking to people early in the episode, it should just be across the board. Look, I'm big. I'm going to get people suing me. There's going to be lawsuits associated with my name, with my company, they'll go through all of the court stuff and we'll see what happens. That's all you really have to do in this case. It's not closed.

It's not like there's any like big facts coming out. Just let it go and run its course. Yeah. And she lets on that there's going to be a skeet shooting slash lunch event, but only certain people are invited to the skeet shooting and then the other group's invited to the luncheon. So we'll get there eventually. It sets up that scene. But one thing that you said that that kind of sticks with me here is like because of everything that she's trying to force upon us because she's not taking the route that you did because she does seem so rattled it makes me question a lot okay are you as financially stable as you let on you know or are you trying to name drop with us because you're implying that to be in these circles you have to have X amount of

money I'm starting to think and that's the problem with with this approach that she's taking I'm not confident at all that she is who she says she is and in years past when this ship pops off I'm like that's Lisa who cares now I'm questioning Vita I'm questioning her I'm questioning JB husband boss I'm questioning these lawsuits

because like you said nothing that she does later is like cut and dry like see I told you so I don't wait to talk about that later but it makes me question Lisa Barlow it makes me question just that one lawsuit the rest of them I don't give a shit about it's a big company it's going to have lawsuits everybody has lawsuits fine whatever that one lawsuit just sticks

out like a sore thumb every time that it's brought up and the fact that she's getting so defensive about specifically that and the rest of them it almost seems like she's trying to look at the bigger picture like look at all these other lawsuits that were dismissed this one's totally going to get dismissed too but one thing is not like the other the other ones are like oh there's a loan out for vita there's some sort of issue there's a lien on this and there's some sort of judgment on this but it's all business related and we never really get into the specifics of those and I do think that and look this might be credit to the cast this might be credit to Bronwyn to I hate to say it but Whitney Angie they've all done their due diligence they're not even focusing on those they're just saying

hey as a whole you've got six open lawsuits and she's like hey five of them were dismissed and they're like good thank you for saying five of them are let's talk about that six one so they kind of led her there to see what her reaction is so maybe I should be giving credit to them and not focusing on Lisa spiraling. Maybe it's just that. Yeah, and like the last thing, then we'll move on. I realize we've been stuck on the first scene for almost 20 minutes now. That's all right.

Not a lot of happened in the scene except for Steve Carell. Yeah, that's a good point. But it wasn't there. Why did we see the event? Or are we going to see that? I imagine that there's probably, you know, some reason that Bravo's not allowed to air it if they're actually there or they're not there. Like that, again, I start to question things.

Like, I haven't seen a picture with you and Steve Correll. I haven't seen a picture with you and Jason Schwartzman. that I would think that if they're at your event, you would snap a photo with them in front of a step and repeat and post it to your story, posted to your Instagram. You haven't done that. So then I question things back to what you said,

though, about the lawsuits and her getting so up in arms about the digging. It's in the paper, bro. It's all over TikTok. It's all over Instagram. These ladies are being tagged in this shit. Of course it's going to come. Name one lawsuit across all franchises that has not been brought up on the show.

Yep. It doesn't have to do it. So why is this so rattling for her? That's what I want to know. But let's move on. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. So big news to share it, right?

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to Nightvale. Come for the insightful and hilarious commentary and stay for all of the weird and wild behind-the-scenes stories. Good morning, Nightfail, with new episodes every other Thursday. Get it wherever you get your podcasts. Yes, even there. To Bronwyn and Todd. And, you know, we obviously saw Todd at the reunion last year, somewhat copped to how he was speaking to Bromwell, which we were on all season. We didn't enjoy the way that he was talking to her. I appreciate that he somewhat took accountability for it. Bronwyn's claiming, and of course she's going to say this because she knows people are on Todd right now, that things are better around the house.

He's being more cognizant of how he's speaking to her, all of those different things. All in all, and I'm going to go episode to episode with this, okay, it may change next week. I'm not here saying Todd's the best. I thought Todd did fine in this scene. I thought he was fine. This is PR, Todd. This is absolutely. Well, 100%.

He does not change it at all. come on and look that's really all we expect from a husband who doesn't really want to be on the show but has to do it for certain scenes it might have to show up to the reunion just have good PR and don't like say anything negative to your wife so that we can sink our teeth into it there's still little glimmers of it here and there like the middle of this conversation he does something very quickly where he's he just says well i don't i don't care why would you want to do that that doesn't make any sense or why would you care about that. It's like, that makes me feel good, Todd, like maybe a little bit more. And he doesn't even think it's the first thing out of his mouth. But the rest of the stuff that he's saying, he's taking a second, he's pausing, he's thinking about what he wants to say. He's very cognizant of the camera. It's just every once in a while it pops out. So he'll get there. Maybe by the end of the season, he'll be better. But I don't think so. I think that this show like eats away at him. I think that he hates that Bromwin is out there hanging out with these people and putting her whole life

on on camera and doing all of these things for people that he's never going to going to meet and having to read comments in the comment section on Bronwyn's pictures. He probably deleted Instagram. He called it Facebook, but he probably deleted it. He probably had it for like a day. He probably calls it the Facebook still. I'm sure he absolutely does. And he calls it the Instagram, who nobody calls it that.

But he probably had it for a day, read the comments and just deleted it right away. He's like, I can't do this. Why are you going to let these people talk to you? Just don't do this. He's still the same guy. It's just, I don't know. If Brahman's okay with it, stay together. I don't give a shit.

But like, don't put him. on our screens. Don't make them film anymore, honestly, if I'm probably. He's going to be that grumpy. And like, you can tell from his body language. The body language is very telling because he's like, oh,

and like rolling his eyes and like kind of like sagging in his seat. But we do get to be friends with these ladies. Because it's part of the show, Todd. Yeah. That's what he will. There's always a disconnect through every conversation that they have. And it's like he just does not get it. No.

No. And that's kind of the basis of their. relationship is he just doesn't understand the premise of what being a real housewife is quite clearly but a lot of shit's been going on with these two so bronwyn's mom had a brain tumor bronwyn's dad has Alzheimer's it has progressed significantly he can no longer take care of himself so they moved both of them into the house the good news is mom got the tumor out she i don't know if they said cancer free but she's on the mend at the very least i don't want to say her speculating on that. But it's a lot. And Todd has taken on a lot of the financial responsibility, which

again, as she's trying to thank you for being like the night and shining armor here, don't be so dejected about having to spend more money to pay for your wife's family because that kind of came off weird. But at the end of the day, he is taking care of everybody, which is nice, but they get into the Meredith of it all. And I guess that Brahman had a nice conversation with Meredith, which I think is really smart. I think the way back to... He's moving very smartly. I know, but this is what happened last year.

I'm like, oh, she's great. And then she does something dumb. She might fizzle out again. We're going to hold out hope that she doesn't. But as we know what's going to happen at some point, it's hard to see a world in which she doesn't fizzle out after that drops. Yeah. I don't...

But unless that's why she took the time... Because that would be a... Not my favorite move because, look, you got to go through this shit on camera. Fortunately, it's part of the show. But at the same time, if you took a hiatus to get your shit together so you don't fizzle out again and she comes back as strong. Not my favorite move, but not a bad move. Not a bad move. Not a bad move at all.

Yeah, and that's where Todd, you know, is like, why even try? It's like, because we have to, Todd. We must. We must for John because she wants to be on the show for a while. And if she is 100% bashing heads against Lisa, I don't see her tenure on this show. lasting that long. She needs to find some kind of peace to be able to move forward because this is what happens. The end of the episode is what happens if you are permanently on Lisa's bad side.

Every scene will be like that because she simply can't help herself. Yeah. No, she really can't. I wonder if trying to align, you can't really even align herself with Meredith. She's just so checked out. She does you. She's phoning it in so hard. Her tagline is so good.

Oh, my God. What is that? You didn't see the tag lines? Uh-uh. Oh, my God. If something, oh, shit, I wish I could tell you exactly what it was. I'll look it up, actually, real quick. Look it up.

Look it up. While you drop lies, I'm dropping the beat. Maybe that's what it is. We've seen this with Kyle Cook, too. When these problem lebs, when they start their DJing careers, it seems like they take a step back from their actual jobs. Dude, she's tired. no she's just up late dj and then she has to probably fly to salt lake because i doubt that she

actually lives there anymore remember all the shit going was going on with her like renting a house and whatever she doesn't live there she did right the fucking rental agreement was posted so it's like five she's just renting a house so that she can film the show but at this point because her uh her DJ career is booming she's just flying in and out she's just taking constant red eyes back and forth it's great Ryan said that uh this will be married us last season. I don't think so. I just, I find it hard to believe that she's going to balance unless her DJ career for better or worse, I don't know how good of a DJ she is. It could be ironic. I don't know, but she's booking a lot of gigs like across the country. No, she really is. She's

going to be in Philly in December. I'm not even going to be here. Oh, yeah, I think I'm going to go to that. Yeah. Barry Cosby's tagline was, I'm just here to eat, drink, and be merry. That's perfect. Pretty, pretty solid, pretty perfect for her. I think her one last year, was, I love that I remember the ones from last year, even though I just watched this episode and saw them. But I think her one last year was like, God is my shepherd and you're all sheep. That was a good one too. Especially

because of the Colty Church. We haven't talked about that in a long time. I wish we'd get back to Max. We need to get back into the Colty Church. Wait, hold on. Wait, wait, we're getting too far out of here. That's what happens. Go back to Bronwyn and aligning herself, or at least trying to align herself. I think she's smart enough to

know that you can't really align yourself. It's not like Meredith's going to have your back. Meredith didn't even have Lisa's back as we talk about later. So if anything, it might just be more to, one, allow Meredith to potentially be a little bit more sympathetic. If you're going to be in touch and drop some feelings about what's going on and what's going on in your personal life, Meredith will always respond to that as long as she doesn't despise you, as long as you're not Brittany, too, because Brittany's personal life is uninteresting, according to Meredith. But I do think that it's a good way to do that because then if you do get caught in a corner with

Lisa, you can look to Meredith and say, when you and I sat down to lunch one-on-one, you said something differently. You can try to change the course of action here. So I do think it's smart and she might be learning different things. It's interesting that she went from Meredith right away. Obviously, Heather's on work. But sitting down with, say, Mary, sitting down, obviously Whitney's just going to kind of follow you around as long as she thinks that you have the hot end.

But sitting down with maybe a Mary could work or Angie K. If you go 101 with Angie K, that is a formidable force. you can go after Lisa but I think that they already have each other's back just based off the fact that they don't like Lisa that's kind of where they are right now but I think that they can align themselves a little bit better so it is interesting I do want to see how it plays out but it does look like Bronwyn's playing the game so I'll give her that and that's a really good point you made about you know them it feels like in the past the majority of the cast is pandering to get back in Lisa's good graces this season it feels like there's more against her than on

her team. It feels like Heather and Meredith are the only ones riding or dying for her. Brittany is an asterisk. That doesn't really matter to me. But like some of the corporate ladies invited to skate shooting. I thought there were girls. That was the funniest shit ever that she was involved with Group D after saying their sisters and after spilling the tea about what Angie K had said on the camping trip. Well, watch what happens live. The votes were between the two groups, which group would you rather be with or which group do you like more or whatever? Group D. Group D got chosen. It was like 90 to 10%. I do think you should flip Britney and

Mary Cosby. Mary. Yeah. That would have been that would have been perfect. And before we move on to Bronwyn and Muffy, Max V said that Bronwyn's father passed away shortly after filming. So that's sad. We didn't know that. So thank you for sharing that little tidbit there. But let's get to Bronwyn and Muffy, who is Bronwyn's mom. This was an interesting scene. Keeping in

mind, of course, and I think this is very important. One, she's recovering from a brain tumor removed and she's driving to and from Northern California every day. Exactly. And I think that's really important. She's already catching shit online. So I was like, let's keep this in perspective a little bit. I'm glad we're on the same page.

Because I saw that too, and I immediately was like, all right. This is the first time we're meeting this woman. I think what it is, I think it's the Todd effect. Todd is such a camaraderian that when you see other people in Brahman's life kind of be. a little bit stern. Oh, no, she was totally carmogeny. I'm not going to be able to out there. This is probably the first time that I've seen this because she did while talking to,

I guess she was talking to Meredith. I might have that wrong when Brahmin was sitting down talking about how she feels like she's not enough. Was she talking to Meredith? No, she was talking to Todd and then there was a sidebar with Meredith where she kind of said the same thing. I was like, all right, you know, we've seen this before. I'm not really sure I believe it.

Then she sat down with her mom and I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah, that's. absolutely what happens this completely there is a piece of that there's a piece of that in there but i do think people are being unfair about it's a muffie muffie yeah i think it's somewhere in the middle i i think we we see quite clearly in this scene where her need for approval comes from yeah because clearly this is not you know just a one-off because the way that she i'm keeping all of that in consideration but i'm still going to analyze the scene because that's our job because as they're talking about it. First and foremost, she brings her a soda and doesn't say thank you,

says it's not a cold one. She's like, no, it is. It is. It's, you know, I got it out of the fridge. Do you don't like this one? Okay. And as they're talking about everything going on, obviously we find out she's going back and forth to Northern California, going through all their stuff. She's talking about how emotional it is, going through their dad's or her husband's things. You know, these boxes haven't been open in 25 years. I don't know what to throw away because he's not there to tell me. Super sad stuff. And as they say, start to dive into it further, I think it's very important, again, that Bronwyn acknowledges what you and I just talked about. Bronwyn says, this has to be so much harder for her. This is

her husband going through these things. So again, let's keep it in perspective what Muffy's going through. That being said, we get to some really sad shit because in her dad's eyes, Bronwyn is Gwen. And Gwen is obviously her, I believe, 19, 20, 19, 20. Yeah. And he's reliving this whole BYU thing where she was a freshman or she was 18 at BYU.

I don't know if she was. She got pregnant. She came home, single pregnant. I think she dropped out of school. I'm not entirely sure. Don't quote me on that one. But it's reliving this whole thing that then causes Buffy, the mom, to rehash that stuff. And what I cannot take away just because.

because of what she's going through, is giving all credit to Todd. That's fucked because she was 18 years old and pregnant. She took care of her daughter amidst the Mormon church, all the backlash she got, all of the turned up noses, all the bullshit. She stepped up and she's a great mom and she raised her daughter. Todd wasn't there in the beginning. Todd came later. She did what she had to do with a very difficult situation.

So to take that and then give Todd the credit, like you couldn't have done this without money. She did do it without money. Obviously, her life looks the way it looks now because of Todd, sure. But don't take away the credit of her being a strong-ass mom and pulling herself out of that shit because that was her. And that's fucked up. I don't care what she's going through. I do care what she's going through. But that's not an excuse for her to take away the credit for what Brahman's been able to do with her life based on how it started at 18 years old. Yeah. No, I agree with that. I do think that like the dad's Bad situation aside, obviously that's sad, but he's got Alzheimer's.

So, you know, kind of walking through all of that doesn't really recuse the mom. And it goes back to what we talked about or what Brahman talked about where, you know, her dad had that position in the Mormon church. And obviously you can't have an 18 year old who's going to BYU, who's got a child or a child on the way. It's a bad luck. There's no father. There's not a lot going on there. And then she drops out of school. And there's a whole thing here.

It seems like her mom has never really moved on from that. Well, clearly not. Bigger. I didn't see. This is going to sound weird. It's not like there was a ton of affection towards Bronwyn, which was kind of expected. But there was no. She was ice cold.

Gwen. Like, usually when we see these situations, it's, yeah, I'm pretty ice cold towards my daughter or my son. But then when the grandchild gets introduced or brought into the conversation, there's a little bit of affection. There was no affection there at all. So I don't know what the fuck's going on with Muffy or Muzzy or whatever. Somebody commented there. Somebody said Muzzy. Maybe it's Muzzy. I think Muzzy is Bronwyn is from Adventure Time

and Bramwin's mom is named Muzzy. So maybe that's what it is. Okay. There you go. That might be where we got all of that, but that would be a kind of a weird ass backwards way to get a nickname to your mom. That's not where she got her nickname from. You think that she got her name from

Adventure Time? I hope so. Are they allowed to air that movie? No chance in hell. But that probably, how old is that show? Because now I'm doing, I'm backdating. Yeah, that's over a decades. I love the idea of her mom being in like her 50s. Like a closet adventure time, man.

There's a Bronwyn on this show. It's a cartoon. You're never going to watch her because you would absolutely hate it. But her mom's name is Muzzy. And I think I'm going to give you that nickname. Like, what if she got a nickname here 50s? Kind of cool. Kind of changes my whole disposition towards Muzzy.

My grandmother got a tattoo when she was 75. It's pretty rad. It was awesome. It's like this big on her back. And it's Bugs Bunny because we called my grandfather Doc. And it says, what's up, Doc? At that point, who the fuck cares? She started smoking cigarettes again after quitting for 50 years.

My grandmother, Gaggy, who is the shit. She's the coolest woman in the world. She started smoking cigs again at like 83 because her mom, my great grandmother, to live to 102 and my brother and I would legit go take her my great grandmother to lunch at friendlies up on cathedral road and we'd be like so gama like what's up like how are you she's like oh just tired of being here stuff like that and so my my grandmother's like I don't want to live till that so I'm smoking yeah I don't give a fun she's awesome she's a badass go it was yeah she's she's she's the best gaggy's awesome great take on life all right so

good dude i pull up to her house and she has this like beautiful garden out bag and she loves the garden uh and she always wears the the polos like with the collar short sleeve polos with the collar popped sleeves rolled up with garden gloves on just fucking rip in a heater it's the cool i want a picture of it so bad she's she's awesome uh model oh you know what dude that's not a terrible idea brook gaggy i might see if she wants to come on one time because she watches and listens to this, which she comments to me. Sometimes she tells me

I have a bad mouth. Or that I get my grammar wrong. She really doesn't like what I get my grammar wrong. So she'll text me like, you know better. I'm like, I'm so sorry. I guess you could take my spot for the week so I could go on vacation, but I don't

think my job would be here when I got. No. Nope. We would both be replaced. It would be a solo show and she would have way more listeners than we do. Anyway, back on track uh this scene wraps up again like you said there's just no affection and that

kind of bothered me i i am keeping in mind what she's going through for sure and i think that is also a big part of it and it's also we can't speculate on how the brain tumor affected her her emotions things like that so like i want to keep all that in mind but just the last thing i want to say is like we could speculate on it but it would be in poor taste it would be in poor taste uh but just just comments like, you know, oh, you feel unworthy. Brown's like, yes. She's like, huh. And then moves on.

I'm like, whoa, tell her she is worthy, dude. Like, give her something. It's like what she's going through is sort of just like a force field, but I feel like she's still the same person. She's just a little tired. And it's like, okay. It's like almost, it's almost as if she's talking and thinking a little slower, but the thoughts are the same.

And that's kind of what I got in this where I'm like, all right, we'll give her a break because she's got to be exhausted and she's been through a lot. Yes. emotionally, physically, everything across the board. But, you know, show some love. Just a little. Give her a hug.

I don't know. Yeah. Let's back pedal. Somebody should hug. Someone hug. Somebody hug, Brondwin. Anyway, let's jump back real quick because I missed. This is what happens when it's writing in my journal.

It's on my laptop. Angie with her dad, which was amazing. I loved this scene. And this is what happens when you have a good show. You care about these scenes. because there's a lot of other stuff happening so I want to dive in and honestly dude honestly dude

this made all of the Greek shit makes sense I'm like you know what I love the Greek stuff now lean further into being Greek because now I get it it did I loved absolutely adored her little clip with her daughter saying really

we're going that far with the Greek shit like ruthless it's like damn it's she It's so on brand. Yeah, it's so on brand. She's definitely sitting at home. She's a teenager, so she's probably just sitting at home, like, perusing different podcasts about the show, seeing what people are saying and everybody's making the same Greek jokes. Like, all right. At what point are the sunglasses going to be too big? At what point, is the Greek flag going to be too big? Right now, I'm with you. Never. Make it big after this story from her dad, honestly. I want more. I want more of him. He just seems like such a great guy. The way that, like, it's so funny when she first pulls up to his house, I'm like, I kind of expected him to be in a bigger house.

Yeah, what a humble home. To put him in like a bigger place. And then by the end of it, I'm like, he doesn't want a bigger place. This is perfect for him. He loves his place.

Yeah, dude, he doesn't need anything more because of his upbringing. Like, we've given him props time and time again for raising all of the girls and raising his family after his wife had passed away. But now you see where the strength came from. This dude lived in, like, war-torn Greece.

His village was burned to the ground by Nazis. And he and his family with nothing but the clothes on their back flew to the United States. And not only did he raise his whole family, all of his children, but they're successful. Like, it's such a cool story. And like when you hear that, he's talking about, oh, the pictures and everyone's got like a mean mugging. And she's like, oh, why? He's like, oh, there's nothing to smile about. I'm like, wow, that hit hard.

Nothing to smile about my life. That's, like, incredible. And by the way, as he's laughing, as he's smiling, I'm like, what a journey. What a journey. What an absolute journey. And by the way, what a setup. We're going to Greece this year because it's going to be hit so much harder. Now, I want Angie to be as Greek as possible over there.

Give me it all. Show me everything. I want every outfit to have a Greek flag on it. I don't know if that's in poor taste in Greece. It might be. But for us, it's not. For us, it's perfect taste. Right there. Melissa Gomez. Make the glasses bigger. Absolutely. Biggest glasses you can find. Lean into this shit heavy. It was a lovely scene. Angie. Angie Kay, man, from season one to now. What a transformation. Like, I know season one, she was trying to get her bearings, but like getting away from the, and we see this across the board, right? You get a new housewife coming in. Look at Katie in OC. I could continue to name a bunch. But,

We, especially these days, they come in so hot, so heavy, trying to make a, it's like going up to the biggest guy in the prison yard and trying to kick his ass on day one. But now that she's kind of let us into her actual life, like opened up emotionally, been more vulnerable. Like she is such a well-rounded housewife. She's so nice to people that she likes. She tries to be nice to people she doesn't like. Her family's awesome. Her parties rock. Her glasses are huge.

Like, I'm, she might be my favorite housewife right now. But that's a big claim. She's incredible. She has settled in so well. And I know there's, I think a lot of people are probably just tired of the Greek shtick. I think she brings a lot to the show. I don't think it gets noticed.

And I definitely hesitate at saying that she's underrated because I do think a lot of people have her pretty high up in their power rankings for this show in particular. And it's even tough to do a power rankings for a show like this because everybody's bringing it, especially right now. But I think that there's a lot of things that she does that just goes unrecognized or I agree. You know, she's like an unheralded hero in certain situations. And look, maybe she learned a thing or two.

I know it's an insult, but she was hanging out in the shadows behind Jen Shaw for years. So she did kind of learn a couple of things here and there. Maybe she saw her brow girl. I don't know. Who am I to say? Maybe it's the best brow girl in all of Salt Lake. Who am I to say? I don't know.

That's Brittany. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what after talking about it this episode, that brawl girl is going to be busy because everybody's going to be going there after getting that little name drop in here. But I love her. I think she's perfect for the show. I think she settled in absolutely perfectly. And she's an integral part.

And now we get to actually have scenes like this. Like, yeah, doing this right after the Bronwyn scenes back to back, where we get Todd, I can do without Todd scenes. Doing her mom scenes, fine. That's cool because we at least get like a peak line of garden. Doing her mom scenes? Can we, can we rephrase that? No, I don't want to rephrase it.

I don't want to rephrase. Damn it, I almost went Probably a little too far, actually I just say what I was going to say Yeah, obviously I was going to call her Muffy But that was her name I thought Which again, given the context now

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garb with plastic wrap all over the floor and everything. But no, she's not murdering Angie. She's repainting her room. Uh, this is going to be here at workspace. Honestly, I got to give her props that she built her, her wealth and businesses and wrote her books from her bed. Uh, as she says, some might call it clinical depression. I call it effectiveness.

Hey, whatever works. I'm a little concerned if I'm not. I'm not going to lie here. I don't think it's a great place to do all of your business. I think you should probably have a workspace. Not the part that I'm concerned about. She is cleaning out that house so quickly. She is so ready to be an empty nest.

I know. I have never seen somebody so excited to be an empty duster. And I'm a little concerned. I'm a little concerned. But I don't want to like every scene with her kids. I get it, I think. I think I understand. She loves her daughters.

I mean, she went to, her one daughter goes to Miami. She went to a tailgate with her and was like partying at the party. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, I hear you. I think it's more optics are poor. Yeah, I don't think that it's like. We haven't seen one like, I don't know.

Yeah, I guess, you know, the conversation that we had at the campsite where she said she's ready to move on to a different aspect of her life because it's just constant reminders of a failed marriage and whatever. Sure. I get all of that. But sort of like with Bronwyn's mom, I keep just going back to Muffy. show a little compassion maybe just like a little love I'm going to miss my daughter's father but I'm excited about this next chapter maybe that is if she said that in this scene look I'm going to miss

in a weird way I'm going to miss all the clutter in here because it'll remind me that my daughters are gone but at the same time I'm excited to move on and actually have this place for myself so that I can finally get to work and I've got a fifth book I would respect the hell out of that but she just kind of skips over that whole part Ryan thinks that she was to get

that house ready to get some d yeah yeah she kind of said that honestly more or less and look i think that she deserves it obviously she's been a single mom dad is a fucking deadbeat loser and has nothing to do with the kids never even had like they never stayed at his house overnight like fuck that guy and i respect the hell out of her her daughters are all great so she did a great job raising them again this is simply optics that's all like just throw in a little comment in there There to make us be like, oh, you, that's all. But I do understand where she's coming from and she's getting excited about this whole thing. But the most important thing, other than Angie Kay's daughter talking some shit, which was funny as hell, is that we're seeing some cracks in the Lisa Barlow Heather friendship, which is really important because we've seen this in the past, obviously.

And the difference to me is something she said in a confessional. And she's alluding to, I think I wrote it down. Yeah, I've worked hard in this friendship. I've worked hard to stay in her good grace, is this, that, the other. I think she's starting to recognize I shouldn't have to work hard to be friends with somebody. She literally lays out the issues with being friends with Lisa Barlow. You can't expect her to change. You can't ask her to change.

You've got to put up with her shit. And I'm not confident at all. all because we've seen this before but is she getting tired of it is it starting to wear her down no no i'm not buying i'm not buying any of it i think what we're seeing here is that she sees some cracks and she sees that there might be a bit of a tide change i don't think that tide change is ever really going to happen but i do think that heather's preparing for that because if we know one thing about heather she's always going to just flock to the strongest heather could very well if she had a good three seasons.

I weirdly have this kind of confidence in her because I do think she's a great personality. She doesn't have any personal storyline so it's really tough to do this. But I do think that she could be an HBIC if she really tried, if she shared a lot more, and if she did that,

because I think she has a great polarizing personality, and I think she can really hold her own in an argument and in a fight. She just doesn't really have that confidence in herself. She always feels like she needs to be that second fiddle. she went with Jen Shaw that didn't work out you got punched in the face no that was Lisa let's hope this doesn't end with a punch of the face or maybe it was that tree that was in the room that nobody talks about except for me I still think it was the tree I asked

Andy that on watch what happens live I brought up the fucking tree oh god but at the same time I think what she's doing and what we're learning about Heather I think she's not even really planting seeds but preparing for the worst okay okay This is what Lisa said, and she said that about me. Now I'm going to go to my confessional and say, I can't really expect her to change. Maybe I shouldn't be kissing ass. These are the types of things that are happening, but I don't think we're going to see any action. And I don't think that if it goes the way that I imagine it's going to go, which is, we'll have a couple of weeks of this.

Lisa will settle in. I think it's just early season jitters. Maybe she's just a little jet lag. She's a big life. She's doing a lot of things. She's all over the place. She's jet setting. What do you want her to do?

she's now home. Let her settle in for a couple of weeks. By that point, everything else is going to unravel. Lisa's still going to be in the middle and Heather's going to be right by her side. I just don't see her flip-flopping just because she said something to somebody at a lunch that Heather wasn't there for. She would have to do it to her face for there to be a real change. And I don't really see that happen either. I see that happening. I don't see it happening. I think the only way that could happen is if Lisa is rattled enough like we see in the end of this and Heather, it might not even be a negative comment but if Heather tries to chime in she might catch a stray from Lisa and that could push her over the edge what I don't think will ever happen is a full break. I think that you might see some some strained

relationship for a bit but then eventually she'll flock back and I agree like does she have the star power to be center snowflake? Yeah actually she does the personality's there right? It's just more so she gets in her own way when she gets the chance to do it. We saw her

with the beauty lab stuff, what, two years ago, I think. And they were highlighting her more. It was right before the departure of Jen Shaw. I think they were trying to prepare for it and shift focus a little bit. And if people remember, season three of Roslick was not great. Like they really hit their stride season four. One and two were good. Four was amazing.

Three was not. And she had a lot more screen time. So maybe it's timidness because the last time she really tried to step forward. It didn't go so well. She caught a lot of shit online. and we didn't enjoy it personally. So they could be that. I don't know.

I will say she's in a weird in-between state of, we kind of call housewives out a lot. We've been doing it a lot this year in particular for phoning it in and not doing their job, not being attentive like Meredith is being right now. She's going to have her funny quips, but it seems like every year there's less and less for Meredith, and she's just getting more and more checked out.

Heather's not really checked out. She's just kind of there, but she's in her role you know she exactly she's right in her role and it's funny too because I remember vividly you and I saying and basically yelling at her and shaking a imagination Heather Gay saying hey stay in your role every time you go out of your role you suck so stop doing that and now here we are we're like she could I don't don't get us wrong I don't want her to do it because it always is doing great she's she's doing fine yeah and she's got a good role and she's not going to go anywhere

as long as she stays exactly where she is. She's still going to get to do the recap in the first episode and she's still going to be able to play some shady game that the producers feed her at the end. That's all she does. Everything in between is whatever. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, we'll see how the story arc goes,

but she's perfect where she's at, but could there be more? I don't know. But they recap the party, right? We're still in that scene. And three possibilities are laid out for Lisa. option one we're in financial distress

option number two shit I lost it ready to go oh she's living a lie option number three is she's being attacked I believe at this juncture number two I don't believe her anymore oh I think she's being attacked

I know you've been on that that since episode one I it's weird because I have questions on both sides and it's all the same thing I don't give a shit about the Vita stuff. It's just that Amex one. And I think it's weird. I have questions on the one side with her.

She's being very weird about it. She's very, very triggered by even discussing it. And she doesn't have any good excuse that actually sets in. On the other side, is it bullshit? Is it something that somebody's making up? Did she actually, and I'm just throwing this out there, I have no validity to this. But was there an affair at some point in time?

and is this like some weird hush money at some point. There could be something weird in here that she really doesn't want to discuss that's now coming to light and it could be something along those lines but it might not be, I just have a hard time thinking that it would be financial duress.

Like I just don't see that being an option. I think she feels attacked. I think she's tired of being attacked. I think that there's something weird going on in the middle. I'm just not sure what it is yet. Well, I will say this to counter that a bit. not counter, but offer you a different way of looking at it.

Lisa would be the type of person. Well, first and foremost, somebody's going to clip what you just said without the prelude, and it's just going to say she's having an affair. So nice job there. But what I was saying is Lisa is the type of person that would continue to keep up with the Joneses until every penny was gone, just to not admit that she didn't have what she said she had. Yeah. That's all I'm going to say.

That's all I'm going to say. Anyway, oh, wait. No, I'm not getting into it, Brooke. I'm not going to say it out loud. We're going to get in trouble. Anyway, let's get to skeet shooting at Blue Sky, which is not much to talk about except for Lisa laying the groundwork for what's happening later. And this lunch has already been discussed in previous scenes.

It's pretty much an ambush. So we're waiting for what's going to happen. She has this group out. about skeet shooting. They didn't hit that many targets. I think it was a fake skeet and I think that the guy was pressing a button to explode them. I don't think. No, because here's the thing, dude. One, no. Two, that would be. And then by the way, follow up to that, Heather didn't get to hit one. We saw everybody else hit one. You're telling me. We didn't see anyone hit one. We saw them shoot and we saw a close up of a clay pigeon blowing up yeah but then why didn't they do the same thing for heather

somebody had the miss they expect one of us on the records brother like they expect one of us on the record's brother uh nice no i i think that they didn't want to seem like they couldn't hit it so like you got the guys there they're like two for two it's like then show the back angle of them launching it first of all then here's my qualm okay Lisa took i don't know 20 seconds to pull the trigger. One, the ski doesn't stay in the air that long, okay? Two, two, if you wait that long, the spread of your bullets, you're not going to hit it, okay? You're not going to hit it.

As somebody that grew up doing that, like, you're not going to hit it. Weirdly, the only one, and I was going to say, you're telling me that Mary was going to hit it. Actually, I think that Mary can probably handle herself with a shotgun very well. In a weird way, I just feel like that makes sense to me. Mary, I could believe Elpy, maybe, Amy, probably, because she's, you know, a social way. I don't care. I don't care. But I have to, I have to highlight this comment because it, this is the funniest shit I've read tonight.

That twink had me laughing. So that wasn't it. So it wasn't it? Nice job, dude. That's a funny. That's a really funny comment. Well done, sir. Who the fuck is Amy?

I don't care. this long because she just kept popping up randomly in this episode and last episode, who the fuck are you? Like enough. Enough with the social A thing. Last week, fine. You're having a party. All these other people are there. It's the who's who of Utah.

Fine. I don't care. Call her a social aide all goddamn night. Fine. Why are we still doing it? I know who Amy is. I don't really know. Of course, Ryan Stoneman wants to see. Why? What does she bring? What is she doing here? So, somebody commented earlier that she's supposed to be a friend of and apparently after her event

she she the drama is too much so she's just kind of in it sporadically i don't know we don't have enough info yet my point is to your point who are you why are you here what do you offer this show we haven't done anything other than go to your house and you didn't get involved there and i i don't i don't know they have tried to replace maylie it just doesn't work like no I forgot about Maley. Dude, I don't know how you got on. She disappeared. Yeah, that's so funny.

What a drop. What a name drop. Wasn't it the box game? Didn't she go to Milwaukee with them? Was she on the Milwaukee trip? I don't think she went on to the jazz box when they all went. Because that wasn't the Milwaukee game. They were down on the floor, weren't they with the big Greek flag and everything?

Then they were up in the box. afterwards. Oh, so maybe that was. So yes, it was the basketball game. I thought we went to two. Maybe we only went to the Bucks game. Dude, I don't know. She was at both, as far as I'm concerned.

She was in that whole season. She was there the whole time. Yeah, that's so funny. What a poll. I forgot about her. But let's get to group D arriving, or the D group. And that consists of Whitney, Angie, Brittany, and Brinwyn.

Brittany being left out of skeet shooting was so fucking funny to me because of how she's been moving and even even though you're sacrificing any relationship with anyone else in the group potentially you still don't make the cut but you guys are sisters get the hell out of here she is amazing for tv but my god spin zone i wouldn't trust brittany with a gun so that's a good point actually that's actually you know what and you know what i bet you she would talk the entire time jared makes me ski shooting all the time and nobody else yeah nobody wants to talk about she's better in group d she's actually she's group b she's just by her c just you know throw her in by herself

let her float around to things that don't involve you know that's kind of what she does anyway she's in her she's literally in her own world until something comes up that has to do with her or something she can jump does it during the luncheon i know we get proof of it very shortly but we walk into this fucking room. And there is, I brought my poster boards out. My daughter painted this for me and this one. So I had poster boards just because I thought it was funny.

So we're doing prop work. If you're not watching YouTube, you're really missing out. But we walk into this room that is, ow, come on now. There we go. We walk into this room that is plastered with poster board of lawsuits

with a big red, dismissed on them and there's one in particular that's my favorite one because it's not evidence to anything it says Lisa Barlow denies this Lisa Barlow denies that Lisa Barlow denies that Lisa Barlow to that that's denial that's not dismiss that's the by the way the only one in question so this is such an oversight it would do that and again if you're Lisa and and I genuinely believe that's the one that she's most concerned about. The other ones are very, very course of business-like type of lawsuits that you can just kind of dismiss and get rid of.

And they're actually dismissed as we get confirmation of a little bit later. Why is that what even in the room? I don't know. Does she think? And I get that you might think this after dealing with this, you know, this cast of women for the last four years, but you are really not dealing with four-year-olds. And Whitney acts like a four-year-old every once in a while. but she's not that stupid

and Bromwin has it and Angie has it these women are on your tail why would you even put that out there just put out the other ones to say dismissed maybe put a duplicate it's not like we can fucking read anything put a duplicate over there or put another picture of you and J.B. Husband boss

on a yacht like what why I don't understand why I love money first off I love that and the and the picture of them court side of jazz and then Bromwood court side comment Nope, that's actually not courtside. That's the road just above that.

Funny. Works really well. Picture of her and J.B. on the yacht. Fucking hilarious. Why? What was that to do with anything? I've got money.

Look at me and my husband on a yacht for maybe 10 years ago. I don't care. That shit cracked me up. But why is that lawsuit even there on a big post board where everybody can read it? It's so crazy to me. But the other part, like, I'm assuming they were dismissed. but you going to purchase and make these poster boards and you slapping it dismissed on it does not make that legally binding.

I don't know if that's real. You just put a big dismissed on it. I think Bromwin or Angie did confirm that those were dismissed though. That was the acknowledgement I needed. That made it. I was like, okay, fine. But initially, I'm like, what the fuck does this prove? I could go do this right now.

It would be the same exact result. And if anything, like you said, by highlighting the. deny deny deny thing and she even says that verbally look deny deny deny yeah bro what you're you're you're hurting your argument here had you left that one aside it still wouldn't have done much because it clearly brahmans clocked it and she's clocked it i'm sure mary knows more than she's letting on like the group knows so we get into this whole scene and you know she starts yelling this litigation by lisa it's all about me and i was like when is it not about you dude but the whole thing blows up in her face because as she's trying to explain away all these things she's so stuck on

the four dismissals right not the fifth one outstanding your competitors across the table are on number five not number one two three four and they're still asking you questions okay fine whatever they're just trying to get a word in and now you're proving their point again why you're so difficult to deal with because you don't listen and as they're saying that to you you're interrupting them and not listening and they're asking you questions that are pertinent questions. Okay, what about this 180K? What? What about the 400K?

What about the question? And then she just starts the name calling. So it was a spiral just like we saw last week. And apparently that's all it takes is stay calm, cool, and collected, and stay on task. And you'll rattle her. And it's crazy that it's taken this long to figure this out because we've seen Lisa go scorched earth on people, go the distance in her own words. And for whatever reason, it never occurred to anybody like, hey, just stay calm.

Just stay on that right path. Stay on one subject and see if she deviates, see what she does. And apparently this is what she does. And it's crazy to say, this was the least impactful poster board showing in Bravo this year. And we have the worst one of all time. You can go down to Atlanta for the worst poster board showing. This was somehow worse because it didn't prove anything and it actually made it worse for Lisa. at least the other one got kicked off the show but this this is crazy yeah i i couldn't wrap my

head around what was going on because as they start yelling back and forth angie multiple tries to reel this whole thing in okay fine i have some questions then i would like you to listen to me please first of all this all came out because you dug into bronwyn's shit on the reunion with the jeweler I don't dig. I never dig. That's not true. I'm not a digger. Lo and behold, not five seconds later,

she makes a comment about the jewelry thing. I'm like, you just contradicted yourself about digging. And you do it again three or four more times in regards to Whitney in regards to Angie Kaye in this same scene. So now not only are you tearing down your defense of this denial thing, you're also tearing down your defense of I'm not going to investigate my friends because we've watched you do it.

Again, to your point at the beginning of the episode, these things are expected of you guys. You are housewives. We know you're going to dig in. So now that it's coming to light, just lean into it. The evidence is out there. We all know it happened because we watched it last year at the reunion. All you have to say is, like, there's so many other ways that this could have been dealt with, I guess, and not for Lisa because I figured this would be the route that she went.

I didn't expect her to be as rattled as she was. But the minute she starts name calling in response to Angie's questioning, I'm like, oh, God, what's going on with this Amex? Who is this man? Because we can go through it. You got a credit card for a man. He paid the car off. He paid for a remodel. You owe him $118,000.

None of that's true. No. What? Talk. None of it's true. We deny all of it. Everything else, by the way, that you see in this room, dismissed. This, we deny all of it.

And it'll go through. like that's just you open the door up to yourself and it just seems so interesting for what was supposed to be a Lisa ambush by herself with her and her poster boards on the rest of the group it flipped so quickly like why like it all that does is point to there's a bigger issue somewhere in this room and it's in this room with us and it's on a big poster board right behind me actually front and center at least put that bitch in the corner throw that behind something. something else if you're going to have that behind you and J.B. husband boss. I don't care where you put it. Don't put it front and center where everybody can still read it. Uh, Brahman's sitting there looking across the table

pointing at specific things. She's like, what the hell? And Amy, bro, Amy trying to help, I don't think she realizes what she did. You just confirmed that man exists. Because, well, technically they were business partners. What does that mean? Shooter and I are business

partners. He's not going to pay to remodel my home. Like, that's not a good line, Amy. Are you there? However, suck you for jazz tickets. Let me pull up ticket master. No, but. Ticket master?

I don't know. Where do you buy jazz tickets at? NBA app? Yeah, there you go. You can probably get them both places. You're not concerned about the dick sucky. You're just concerned about where I purchase your tickets. No, I never am.

I might. oh boy where were we anyway i'll look into those jazz tickets but i don't think she recognizes and that's when i i figured out why amy's there amy's there because lisa is no longer tight with a lot of the women in this group amy's there as her support and this was amy's chance to step up for and amy just confirmed that this dude exists that this means that this amex exists that means that these bills exist. So for me, now I'm like, okay, we need to know a lot more. Yeah.

Who is this guy? Once we find out who this guy is, if they find out that he's got jazz tickets, I think it's over. There's nothing more that she can do. Oh, dude. Whoa, that would be. It's all it's really going to do. The Whitney blow up at the end was kind of funny.

But before we even get into the Whitney stuff, Bronwyn still on task, just trying to get more questions answered. Locked in. Angie still locked in, talking about how she had the brow lady. I'm having a hard time saying brow lady, apparently, going through all of these things and confirming things and talking about things. Everybody knows about this. That is when Brittany steps in, which was the funniest thing ever.

Is that the same brow lady that was talking about last year? Talking about Jared? What cares? Is no one concerned about this? No. I guess I'm the only one. Yeah, no one cared last year, Brittany. Why would we care now?

she but that's my point earlier she's the best you know like she doesn't engage until something like i think she's literally singing in her own head and then she hears one thing that she's like wait what and then she snaps out of it and goes what does that to do with jared it's like what what's what's wrong with you you're funny but my god anyway Ryan Brodman shouldn't throw stones What's the glass house That she allegedly

The fraud allegations from 20 years ago By the way That conversation that she had with her mom earlier Kind of puts that in a different light Sounds like she didn't have a penny to her name Until she met Todd Which was a very weird thing to say But she didn't have a penny to her name

So I wouldn't be surprised If she turned to a life of crime To support her daughter That's actually going to make it valid And I wouldn't support it crime's not good, but if she had to do what she had to do for her daughter, I'm for it. How about that?

Glass house. She can buy a glass house. That's how much money she has if she wanted to. Her and Todd, they could have multiple glass houses. Apologists, get out of here, dude. Go listen to two T's. Not really.

We love you. Let's get to Whitney because I feel bad for Whitney, genuinely. And I think that she was trying to take the... She made a good point. She made a great point. This is huge. This is huge for Whitney to make a good point.

Oh, yeah, I was just interjecting. Yeah, don't mind me. Oh, well, I have to scroll down and find the good point.

I was like, oh, yeah, good, good. No, she made a good point by saying to Lisa, how do you have no sympathy for me?

You should be supporting women who have failing businesses. I opened up about this. Yeah, Lisa wasn't there, but that's not Wendy's fault. Whitney did open up about it and no one's giving her any sympathy. A couple people did at the campsite, but Lisa's not.

Lisa's only concerned about. about herself if you're going to support women now obviously Lisa can just fall back on the yeah but I fucking hate you Whitney and you've been coming after me for three years that would have been fine but she couldn't even muscle that up like really you couldn't even get that up to just say yeah but you suck and you've been coming after me for years so why would I support you that would have landed instead it was just more stammering it was crazy it's more stammering a name calling she calls her a redneck I'm like that's fucked no she called her a redhead she called her a redneck that the captions were

on the screen. Yeah, but the captions of Bravo said redhead. The captions for peacocks said redneck. It was weird. No, dude. There's no way. Redhead's not an insult. I think she said redneck. I need to go back and watch it. We'll confirm it. You can confirm or the comments can confirm at the same time. Yeah, comments. Was it Redhead or Redneck? Let us know, please. Ryan said he was offended by the Red Head comments. So maybe it was Red Head. I thought it was Redneck, which I thought was really fucked up. But, you know, Whitney's trying her best to like stay composed and relay why she's upset and why this doesn't make sense and she brings up the business thing and anytime that for anybody that we revert to name

calling I'm like oh so you are full of shit because you can't answer any of these questions now you're attacking Whitney who's been forthcoming about the failure of her business right and she's trying to say like her response to her asking a question about the $400,000 because it's a valid question. When we see something pop up, Lisa, and we're tagged in it, by the way, that says you owe $400,000. What are we supposed to think? And that's the one time Meredith decides to jump in. Mary from the top ropes, like, you didn't fucking have her back at the campsite. Why are you doing it now? Which gets everyone to jump in and say, you didn't have her back at the camps. I say, why are you doing it now, which is great. I do think that she deserves

some credit for saying, let's wait until Lisa's here to talk about it. That got glossed over entirely. But she didn't defend her. And she could have defended her more. No, but you can tell where Lisa is because immediately she goes, I know you had my back, but we just saw a conversation that you had earlier this episode where you heard that apparently Meredith didn't have your back. So you're taking that information, but she's still, I think in this moment, seeing what's going on. Everybody's rallying against me. Meredith is speaking up here. I'm going to overlook what I heard earlier and say, you know what, I know you had my back. So it might end up just being Meredith, Lisa and Heather, which will probably end up being fine, but in this moment, it's not.

And I think in the hierarchy of you're full of shit, name calling is very, very low at the bottom. Everything up is bringing up things that you saw in past seasons on the reality TV show that you're on. We've seen that a bunch of times. We know you're full of shit when you pull that out of your bag. Bringing up articles that you saw, all right, you get a little bit more credibility, bringing up lawsuits. Okay, you've done your digging. You know what's going on. You're just trying to deflect. I get it. You might still be full of ship, but I kind of believe you, if you're name calling, you get nothing. You've got nothing and you are rattled. And it's a bad book. There's one thing worse than that. What's that? Repeating what was said to you. And

that's where it gets to. Because Whitney says, and she's right, this doesn't prove anything. Her response is, how are you unwinding your business? So she cops to the failure of the business and she's trying to say like we're paying back investors or doing this we're doing that because we have the money. Lisa is trying to put out there that they don't have the capital to pay back the investors that lost their money with them. Yep. She then alludes to having information on her phone about not only that, but also the Alibaba stuff. It's something that was unintelligible. I couldn't make out. They bleeped out part of it. We're past Alibaba by the way. I don't know what's the bell. No one cares. I don't care. Even if it's just low hanging fruit to get back at Whitney, just leave it alone.

We're all done with it. We did it all year last year. It's a great season still, but when I think about the Alibaba stuff, it was annoying. So don't bring that back up. No, there's no reason to. And as she's giving this whole thing, like Whitney's trying to defend herself, she throws out a little, oh, man, how do I forget the name of the movie? Jack Nicholson, Tom Cruise, you can't handle the truth.

Someone in the comments help me out. You good men? A few good men, yeah. He's the military lawyer. Thank you. I went to Pacino. That was a different one. That's where I went to.

And I got stuck on. Thank you. Yeah. Great minds think alike. Gotcha. But anyway, you are scared of the truth. Her response is, no, you are. It's like, oh, no.

Oh, no, Lisa. What's going on with this man that we don't know? What do you? Oh, how much did he spend on you and why? What's happening? I don't know, but that to me, again, compile this whole episode into one big old sandwich. I think it's a shit sandwich. I don't believe anything.

It's definitely a shit sandwich. Yeah, I don't really believe anything. I think she'll end up being fine. I actually, weirdly, didn't mind that Whitney walked out. Usually, I think if you walk out, you lose it. But I think that that was a good dramatic walkout. I don't think that it was really called for necessarily, but it kind of worked in that moment. So I'm going to give Whitney some props there.

Yeah. And I'm giving her props for- The first time I've done that in four seasons of covering this. It is. I will also give her props for, I think this is the right route. Just fully accept, yeah, my business failed. It sucks. I'm dealing with it.

It's a great move. And, yeah, it was a great walkout because Lisa showed throughout this whole scene. There's nothing you can do to get through to her. And, yeah, we can't miss this one. Elliot brought it up. I think a couple more people have. But Whitney's saying that Lisa is scared was brilliant. And that is what we're seeing.

Whitney's scared, or sorry, Lisa is scared. She's scared of something that has to do with this Deny, Deny, Deny, poster board, this MX card, this strange dude that we don't know. Could it lead back to the jazz tickets, possibly? Could that guy be the jazz guy? I don't know. But that's what happens when we don't get answers. Now we're going to speculate like nobody's business because, one,

unfortunately for you in this regard, Lisa, you're on the best franchise on Bravo right now. We're all watching. Now we all have questions. and we've all been watching and we're all wondering why you're so rattled, what the hell's going on? And you don't have any answers. All you have is name calling and repeating what was said to you. Bad defense.

Very bad defense. It is kind of interesting too because usually we don't like a pile-along. Usually we don't like multiple episodes of a gang up. For some reason, this feels different. I still have that in the back of my head where I don't really like it and I want her to have some defense. I think it makes for a better fight and a better argument, but because we don't know what the hell's going on,

we have to get answers first. If the pylon continues after we get answers, I might feel differently. I agree. So it's such a confusing situation without us knowing what's actually rattling her. We kind of have to get there first before I can feel bad. I agree with you, but I think a big difference as well is the fact that the pylon's not aggressive.

We're not name calling. We're not yelling. We're asking questions and get. no answer she's the one name calling she's the one escalating the other side of the tables like we have this list of questions we'd like to ask you and lisa's saying go fuck yourself pretty much yeah i did love it especially when uh they tried to get back to the original root issue and try to get some answers and Lisa's response was well all of these things are for you and uh the rest it's none of your fucking business other than why did you put it on poster boards that doesn't make a

whole lot of sense you wanted to be their business they made it their business you're now trying to give them answers by not giving them answers it didn't really none of it made sense which just confused me even more so i think that's why i'm like yeah you know what go after her get get some fucking answers because i'm kind of annoyed at her for not giving us anything and to rebecca goodwin's point here in the the members comments as well yeah meredith struck out this episode the only time she decided to try to chime in was on lisa's behalf and it looked pathetic it was a sad attempt to join in on what was going on. And the only time she really got involved is when Whitney was leaving because Meredith just hates Whitney.

And that just seems slimy to be like, oh, liars always lie. Like, throw your napkin and leave. It's like Whitney's not known for throwing things in the past, really. She does get animated. But sure, like that, it's just, I don't know, Meredith is striking out this season, not good, not enjoying it. Everybody else, including Lisa, even though it's, it's bizarre to watch. phenomenal TV. Phenomenal.

Hi from Australia. Hi. All right. You, Dan, I know it's a lot of. They're getting ornery over there. Pardon? Ornery. There's no h in honorary.

Ornery. Hornary. Let's get some questions. We are on a 10 second delay. So members, ask away. I want to hear what you guys got. This is a very good comment section tonight. Bravo, everybody.

Well done. Meredith is calling Whitney and Brittany shitney one and shitney two that's kind of funny that's a good one yeah i'll buy that all right here we go oh boy going out with a heater max v will jen shaw be mentioned again next episode we've gotten three in a row yeah i don't care for it yeah i'm doing a little too much we don't need the references you know it doesn't land really it's not like okay they go to the same row girl is she the best in salt lake city okay all the rich people go see her that makes sense to me yeah that's not that crazy rebecca goodwin do we think this was whitney's best showing it

might have been yeah yeah she seems it honestly is she seems emboldened by where bromwin is and how bromwin's going about it like even when they're walking around the room looking at the poster boards she was doing the like the tag along jokes and comments pretty much just backing up whatever brahm was saying so that might be part of it but not going to take away from it that was probably your best showing yeah yeah it was good and as ryan stoneman says whitney needed this yeah i think it was an important episode for her honestly i like this one from amy labadia not ross lick related but i have to know what your fantasy football team names are what's yours uh i decided to go full arrested development so i am

blue myself and i am uh in my other league i'm never nudes nice uh since i was a personal trainer for a long time mine is your mom's trainer and my team logo is borat in his swimsuit we have both won our league once we sure keep moving i love this from rebecca goodwin by the way you guys have me addicted to the birds and my kids say go birds when i I'm listening to you both. Hell, yeah. That's awesome. That's what we need. That's awesome. Supporting from Australia. Let's go. That's sick. Here we go from Elliot. Elliot might be top commenter this evening. Is Lisa believing Meredith the beginning of the rift between her and Heather since Heather denied that Meredith defended Lisa?

Good question. I do think it's just that Lisa needs all of the allies that she can get. That's what I thought too because she is for years obviously people have been going after her but she does need allies she's not quite in the position as we've seen in the last two episodes to be able to handle all of this on her own so i do wonder if it gets to that point where it's a little too much because it's just one person versus the rest of the group and i don't think she's really done that much to deserve it but i think it was really just that you know what i've known it i've no meredith for a long time i'm just going to let that slide because she's going to be able to support me here now that's kind of what i thought too yeah yeah yeah jordan myelotta we love him he's got the voice of an

angel uh and in response to that love it mine used to be multiple score gasms but needed something work appropriate now i am password is taco uh speaking of the league uh we may at some point have paul shear on uh we have on the same network we've been in discussion uh so that might have probably for what was that for traders i think he watches i think that was the one. I know you watch some Bravo stuff. But yeah, we talked to his rep for a little bit, and we're going to circle back in a few months to try to

find something we're all watching. So if you're a fan of the league, stay tuned. Brooke Quotney. We'll do a few more. Does Bronwyn intimidate Lisa because she can afford to take the tags off her clothes? Nice. I think there's something about

Bronwyn that gets under Lisa's skin, yeah. I think there's something about the wealth. I think the fact that, you know, Bronwyn, and this isn't a knock on Bronwyn, it's just her husband's got a ton of money. The fact that Lisa, she clearly wants to be this, this high society elite, tons of fucking money, hanging out with all these fancy rich people. Bronwyn's there and she married into it. And I think that pisses Lisa off a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Ryan, she had a baby, dude. And, uh, the baby and now they're filming forth.

Yeah, and then they started filming. So we can't. A lot of shows shut down interviews whilst filming, except for like a select one or two, like the vial files, get those and stuff like that. We will have Doty on again at some point. We're close with Doty and Luke.

Like we chat with them on Instagram somewhat frequently. So it will happen probably after they're done filming. Maybe we can try to get her on before the valley starts up. airing, but for now, because they're filming, we don't get access because they can't spill any tea, unfortunately. But it will happen, I promise. We're not, we're not blowing smoke here. We'll do one more good one, only if it's a good one. And if it's bad, I'm going to read it out loud and I'm going to boo you. I'm not going to do that. I might do that. I might do that. Just don't ask a bad question. I don't worry about it. Oh, here we go from Rebecca.

Oh, Rebecca asked one. Let's wait, see if one person, that hasn't asked and then if not then rebecca we will go to you this mike stand is really killing my vibe yeah you're good what there we go we'll give it 20 seconds tently i went to alcoholics anonymous a lot i'm comfortable in silence no all right rebecca good one do we think lisa will go low again and attack brahman for for Gwen's, yeah, absolutely. I think that's the next move. Yeah, I think that'll happen

and then that identity fraud thing will just drop into her lap. Yeah, and I don't think it's even intentional. And that's not like an excuse for gross behavior on Lisa's part, but I think that when she gets backed into a corner, mean shit comes out of her mouth almost intuitively. She's like, poop, mean shit.

So yeah, I think that'll come back up. but uh oh wow rebecca you're being very nice tonight thank you so much steal i spoke to you about your recovery podcast and you were fantastic well thank you so much that's right i remember talking to you so that always appreciate the support guys you guys are awesome and we will do this again next week probably we may do ral slick again i don't know this is really fun to talk about with the crew we try to change it up though from time to time yeah but this was a lot of fun we could Maybe do, we'll have to see what the Miami reunion or the other reunion goes.

If it sucks, then maybe not. But we will put it out there. If it sucks, then maybe we will just so we could make it more fun. That's a good point. But we will keep you posted. We will let you know what we're going to cover next week. And we will see you then.

And our community Zoom will probably be next week as well. Next week or the following. My daughter's birthdays this weekend. So that's number one. Dancing with the Stars would be a blast. Love is blind also as. getting in the way. Love is blind. Community Zoom, Melissa, next week

probably, 99% next week. And yeah, love is blind is so much fun to cover. It's chaotic as shit, but hopefully you guys are listening to that. And that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show.

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