Bros & Shows - Liz Off The Rails or Jo-Ellen's Master Game? (RHORI Full Recap S1E10)

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

What's up bros? Well we have ourselves a little dilemma here involving Jo-Ellen and Liz. We try to make sense of whether Liz is truly just going off the rails or if Jo-Ellen is playing a little game and working her up. Either way, it seems that Liz is truly losing the plot and popping off at any opportunity and while that might be her true feelings, it's not conveying super well to the audience. Meanwhile, Rulla pops up again for maybe the 5th time this season and we're still left questioning why she's on this show Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't know if they can keep it going, but all signs are pointing to yes, because this show has not skipped a beat. Yeah, I'm also getting a lot. a really good idea of where we're going to be with this cast moving forward. There's been a lot of rumors, a lot of, a lot of speculation on what we're going to be doing and who's going to take what role. But I feel like every week we get a little bit more from everybody. And we're starting to see some of those roles get solidified.

As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm karma. And yes. I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steel Russell. Join, as always, by the one and only Boston Magoutes. What's up, dude? I thought I was going to be Sinatra Magoots, but I guess I'll take it.

What'd you think about Rich's performance? We didn't get to see a whole lot of it, but would you think? It was fine. I was expecting more. I'm not saying he's not good. It's just we didn't get like a big banger like of him really getting into it. But again, everyone says he's great. So I'm just assuming he is.

I just wanted more. That's all. He didn't sound like Sinatra to me. I'm going to be a bit of a stickler. He didn't sound enough like Frank for me. Frank. Are you guys first name basis, huh? Yeah.

Yeah. You and Frankie. Okay. Yeah, me, make Frank. Big Frank. Yeah. It wasn't that big of a guy. It's kind of like a call it a big guy tiny.

I see. I see what you're saying. Anyway, this episode rocked. And again, it's interesting to watch, as you said, we're starting to see where people are falling into place within this group. Liz was kind of my wildcard. And this episode shows you why, because she could be the head figure, but she is so unpredictable that you don't. really know what she's going to do. And like this episode, I thought embodied that perfectly.

I think a lot of the speculation, a lot of the people online have been saying the rest of this group looks so good and they feel so comfortable in their element that Liz is the one who kind of stands out, that there could be a way that we move forward with this show. And Liz just says, you know what? I don't want to do it anymore. And I could see that happening. Up until this episode, I hadn't been able to see it happen. But this episode, I feel like kind of gave me a lot of clarity on where people are coming from and why they would think that.

Now, look, I don't want Liz to go anywhere. I think she's spectacular. I think this whole cast is really good. But I could see a way in which Liz coming away from this season, seeing Alicia be the darling, everybody's obsessed with Alicia, seeing Joe Ellen, who is very, very solid in her role and everybody seems to like her as well. She seems to be the head of the group or she's working her way into that spot. Yeah. Yeah, and whereas Liz at this point, at least at this juncture, it seems like she really only has Dolores and Kelsey.

That's kind of a tough spot to be in. If you're Liz, who started off the season with an absolute banger going into it halfway through the season, like, all right, I don't know where you fit in, actually. It's kind of a weird spot to be in for somebody like Liz. Yeah, agreed. And it's interesting to watch it kind of play out. And even Kelsey, you know, who's at odds with Rosie in a big way. But she's able to navigate back and forth between Liz and Joe. well she can't tell liz but she's able to move around in the group the only outlier would be rosy

with her so yeah i can see it i don't think she needs to go anywhere but you know you can argue that the new port mansion was like a microcosm of she just doesn't really fit the mold of this group because they're doing their thing and she's up in her room by herself we still have to figure out where the fuck rule if it's in all this to be honest i mean get out of here i don't care anymore It's such a it's like week to week with her. I mean, I have yet to see any sliver of hope when it comes to rule of being a permanent housewife on this show. I, I'm still looking forward like scenes from next week.

We get the Persian party. Maybe she'll be. I don't know. I have no hope for rule anymore. I'm still just very, very confused as to why she's second chair at the reunion. She hasn't done anything. We're now 10 episodes into the season or whatever it is. We're running out of time.

We are running out of time in a very, very, very. fast pace. So I don't really understand where she fits in. I don't know if you saw this, but this is this was pretty fucking stupid. Apparently, Rosie is also a DJ now. And she's going on a tour of her DJ skills. And she's calling it the slam pig USA tour. So. Yeah, big time, boo. I thought Rosie, we gave her a lot of kudos last week. She held her own. Seems like she was in a much better place. But if you're going to pull a stunt like that, right back out. Yeah. I don't like that. actually at all. I think that's

by the way, not to cut you off. The other thing that I saw while she was posting that, all of the comments and it just got up there. So it's not like she was able to go through all the comments to get rid of the negative ones. There were way too many people supporting this. Like, oh man, you're not coming to my city.

What the hell? Now I got to drive up to go see. Why are there so many people supporting this? I think it's a very stupid idea. It's the show, I think. I think any chance to be around this cast people are jumping on it because it is exciting. Rosie is a big part of it. I'll give her that.

But yeah, I don't, that, that seems lazy to call it that. I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I don't love it. But I understand why people want to go. I think they just want to be around this cast as a whole. But let's jump in to this episode. And last thing about Rula, it's either going to be the most monumental, like, holy shit moment.

Because for me, I'm done. I don't want to watch the scenes. It's borderline frustrating. frustrating when she's trying to talk about other people and talk shit. And she's like, oh, like, John's so quick to talk shit about, your husband's cheating on you. Yeah.

We know he's tracking your car. You don't really have any legs to stand on. No. And you have these scenes and you're making like quips and one liners. I'm like, he's cheating on you. What the fuck's going on? I honestly believe if up until this point she was able to be in every episode, She was able to mix it in with the group at some point and at least have a couple conversations about her husband cheating on her.

And I don't care where you go with that. If you just deny, flat out deny and then start attacking, I'm way better with that than I am with what you're doing currently, which is just avoiding the cameras, avoiding scenes at all costs and saying that you've been sick for weeks and that's why you can't film or whatever it might be. If you at least had addressed some of the rumors, then sure, go after Joe Allen. I don't care. You haven't even addressed any of the rumors. You're just turning a blind eye and then not filming. Now you're showing up and you're going to throw shade at Joe Ellen.

Like, no, you haven't deserved that. Agreed. That's perfectly said. But let's jump in and we're in Bastian. And the car arrives, Liz and Alicia and Joe Ellen. Now, obviously, tensions are really high as we go into Capo. And, you know, Alicia's, this was a fucking hysterical scene. Alicia's got tears streaming down her face.

She's like hiding behind her menu. you. Joe Ellen's trying to force some kind of, I don't know, peace between her and Liz. Liz is having absolutely none of it. And in that moment, Ashley arrives and she's like, what the hell's going on? But my thing with Liz and as it deescalates and devolves into much more, like, fucking take a breather, dude. like it doesn't need to be this tense and everything joellen says she's like oh yeah oh yeah really i'm

like oh it's not that serious and like also i can understand joel and i get where you're coming from where joelan was talking shit too but all joel is trying to do in the car is like alicia's crying and really upset and we're not getting anywhere with the homeless things like can we just squash this like that's what i got i'm fully there with you honestly i don't care what joel and set at that dinner. That doesn't mean that she's immediately going to be on your team to bombard Alicia the whole time.

I think the only funny move, the only good move that Liz can do at this point if you want to hold on to the homeless thing is turn around next week and say that you're sponsoring a gala for homeless people. That would be great. That's probably the only thing to do and then invite Alicia and be like,

here's actual homeless people. Do you resonate with those people? Just keep it going in that regard, but doing it this way makes no sense. I understand if you don't want to like apologize to, Alicia, you feel that strongly about the whole thing. Fine. But bringing Joe Ellen into it and then going to your confessional at every turn saying,

she should be right here. Like, she's so fake. She's absolutely so fake. She was talking a little bit of shit. You guys were all talking about it. The entire table was talking about it. It doesn't mean that she needs to gang up on her in a car. She doesn't have to gang up on her in a Frank Sinatra concert.

Come on. Yeah. Frank Sinatra concert. But yeah, like she's like, get your fucking hands off. I was like, whoa. Yeah. This is not that serious. And Ashley arriving and seeing this whole situation, she has allergies.

She has terrible allergies. Don't worry about this whole thing. We have to meet Monique, who random poll, Patrick Pass. Yeah. Who, do you remember when he got arrested? No, I allegedly. I remember something happens, but I couldn't remember what it was and I never looked it up.

You got a fight in a gym or something. I'm saying alleged assault. I don't know if the case went anywhere. But yeah. Yeah. I forgot that that was such a random poll. I was like, wait, I know that name. but yeah we get the performance and you know it was fine again i wanted more or maybe a different

song that could have highlighted the pipes a bit more maybe that's why he wasn't as sinatry in this moment i forget what he was he was accused of shoving an 82 year old at the gym oh my god accused of it doesn't say anything else allegedly that's why i dropped it allegedly there yeah uh there was a video of doing that and it was taking place in the court system and the outcome for pass was a diversion program approved by the courts last October. And this was back in 2026. Okay. So this happened somewhat recently, actually.

Interesting. Well, I thought it was 2024, but whatever. Liz goes outside to take a breather. You go have a cigarette. Joe Ellen goes like running after her. And she's still trying to be smooth with it. She's like, hey, I know how much you love Alicia. like you're a loving,

amazing person, blah, blah, blah, whatever. She's so stuck on. I said, I'm sorry.

It's like, we know you did. Like, that's not the argument here, but you seem to think that because you said, sorry, it absolves everything.

Like, you were still going out, Alicia. And I agree with you, Liz, 100%. And it irritates me, too.

You weren't fucking homeless, period. And I hate, I hate that it's being twisted into like, well, you don't understand my side. It's like,

no, you just simply were not. Like, that was not the case. And that would frustrate the shit out of me too, but not to this degree. And Joelle and, like, lays it out on the table. Liz gets in her face, in her face and mocks her, like right here.

And I was like, oh, if someone did that to me, I'd punch them. Like, you're getting all up in her personal space. And then she returns and she's just meeting you where you're at. She's returning the energy. And you're like, you all don't do. You get the fuck out of my fucking face. I was like, Jesus Christ. Like, this is crazy.

but props to Joe Ellen because she didn't back there. She goes running after her into the restaurant. She's like, fuck that. I'm going, I'm getting mine. Yeah. No, I absolutely love the way that Joe Ellen went about this because it could have easily turned into a,

look, I'm not trying to get in your face about this. I'm not trying to make this a personal issue. All I'm trying to do is get you to just take a fucking breather. And she could have done that by not going after Liz, of course, but we wouldn't have gotten that scene. So, you know, normal, normal things probably could have prevailed there, but either way, still a very good scene from Jo Ellen because she wasn't backing down. She was telling Liz exactly how she felt and it turned into something that it wasn't originally,

which was, which actually now that I'm thinking about it, Liz had a lot of smoke for Joellen. So she was thinking that at the time and obviously she talks about her in confessionals, but she was definitely thinking that at the time and she was pissed at Joellen for more than just not like standing up for me or more than getting in her face and talking about this situation. And trying to get her to calm down. she actually did have smoke for Joe Ellen. So this is a good look now in hindsight for Joe Ellen to actually stand up for Alicia, stand up for herself and just get right back at Liz.

Like, fuck you. No, you're not done your cigarette. Come on. Let me go after you. Yeah. And I think that it also shows, you know, where Liz is the big scary word in the group. It's like, well, at least Joe Ellen's not going to back down from her. So that was, it was encouraging to see.

But when we get inside and the, the concert's going on currently, and shit gets kind of fucking nuts because Liz is sitting there like, you want to fuck with me? Like, I'm down. Joel, I'm still trying to apologize. And is also saying,

like, you're one of my best friends. And all you do is be mean to everyone. Why are you such a nasty human? Again, Joellen's meeting Liz where she's at. Liz is in her fucking ear, pulling her hair,

shoving her chair. All of those things occurred, which is very important. for the scene we get at the end of this episode because I was like, oh, God, do you really, did you black out? Like, we're so mad you blacked out. Did you forget everything you did? Because you did put hands on her.

You were in her ear. You were trying so hard to provoke her to do something. And to Joe Ellen's credit. And I think it was Alicia across the table. Like, Joe Ellen, don't you, Joe Ellen, don't do. Do you want to crack her? Just fucking breathe, Jo Ellen. Joe Ellen sits there and she doesn't really react.

I was impressed. I was very impressed because I wouldn't have handled it that well at all. No, I definitely wouldn't have. And I agree with you. I think that Joe Allen was really just matching Liz's energy. I mean, again, she could have easily just facilitated the situation, tried to get Liz to just shut up at the point.

And instead, she just kept meeting her where she was. And that's the way to go about Liz. And this is the first time that we've seen Liz pop off like this and somebody actually meet her. I mean, we saw this and we referenced it in this episode, of course, with Kelsey.

Kelsey backed down immediately. She said, whoa, whoa, whoa, Liz, come on. Let's just relax here. Instead, it was, no, you know what? Fuck you. If you're going to do all this stuff, I'm going to say some things to you.

So I do think that maybe the nasty person line probably set her off even more, but I think it's all fair. I mean, it was a good seat. It was just kind of nuts. I didn't expect it to go that crazy. And Joellen bounces, Alicia, it's just kind of emotionless at the edge.

Just like staring off into the distance. Oh, cry now. crying and Ashley's crying of course because I saw Ashley cry too I'm happy you saw that too it's so funny like it's so predictable but you know what she has to I think she was using a cry angle too so I don't know oh wow the Candace Diller triangle the Candace Dillard special so I saw the cry angle come out and like oh god we had a we had Candace and Chris Bassett at a live show as a guest and we had a live how to with the cry of demonstration of our audience members. Yeah, it was awesome. But let's, uh, let's keep trucking to Alicia and Bill.

I, I, every, give me every scene with Alicia and her family always. Like, you could make your own show with these people. I would be thrilled. They're getting back from a dance competition. Their daughter, Selena is an incredible dancer. So she just won what is, uh, the national title or the title champion. She's missed title. It's a big deal. It's Miss America for the dance world. Okay. Yeah. That paints a picture. But, But there are Twin Oaks, which is like a mobster, like crooked cop bar from back in the day, whatever sets the seat even more. Selina, go over there.

You're like a stalker. Just get out of my face. Go sit over there. We're going to talk some shit real quick. Now, Alicia starts talking about her dad and this issue with Liz. And I get where she gets the homeless thing from because she's like, basically my father left me for homeless. And Liz said, like, you're not homeless. Mom, I feel so insulted.

Wait, time out. Time out. Guys, it's a really sad situation. And I don't think people are trying to gloss over it. And I think that that's what she's getting from it. It's like you guys aren't acknowledging how traumatic this was. They know and they want to be there, but everyone's getting stuck on the fact that you keep saying you were fucking homeless.

You were not. You had a home. You had a nice home, apparently. Yeah, sure, it wasn't your childhood home. That's super duper sad. Your dad's a piece of shit. I feel terrible. for you. And this situation does warrant some real sympathy. But you're stuck on the fucking homeless part.

Why do you have to get through to everyone that you didn't have a home? I thought it was very funny. This whole scene was very funny to me because I'm still operating under the guise of you weren't homeless. So watching other people now claim again that you were homeless, it just shows me that everybody in your family thinks that you guys were homeless. And they're now cracking jokes at Liz's expense. This was what I referenced this in our Atlanta episode. This is, just prime time housewifery. Let's get the family around, not give them all of the details,

and let them go off about Liz. Let them say things like, well, maybe she's sampling her own product. No, no, no. She doesn't use her own product. She says that she doesn't like to do that. So that wasn't it at all. All right, well, then maybe she's just a bitch.

Okay, I didn't say that, but you said it, mom. That's okay. We can go down. She's jealous. You have a perfect life. Oh, my life is far from perfect. Come on. You guys stop.

I mean, but I'm not married yet. I didn't like the way Billy proposed. It's like, holy shit. I love that. I love. And then flashing back to like three days ago talking about the proposal, which she thought was probably going to be like a main scene too. It's just a little one-off scene with her talking to Billy.

He's like, you mean, you're almost 50. What do you have a problem? I was like, oh, Bill. Come on, dude. We just started liking you again. Don't do that. Don't say shit like that. She still, she still deserves the pageantry of it.

Yeah. But great. I mean, yeah, great scene. And like, you know, it's paranoia from the medicine. And that's what it is. Yeah. So good. But we get to Kelsey, Liz, and Dolo.

And as you said, Liz is starting to kind of box herself into this trio. Like this is really all we're getting from her, which is a bummer because I do think she's a good housewife. But she's kind of getting in her own way right now. Yeah. But she's recapping Joelle and stuff. And again,

do I understand where she's coming from? Sort of. Yeah. Like I get that Joelle. said that at the dinner, but you're holding that, like, way too high. It's not that serious. And you're like, it feels offensive to me that Joe's taking the role of mediator, just to be in the middle of everything and blah, blah, blah.

Obviously, we didn't know Joe Ellen before the show. And Joellen could be trying to put on a different face for the show where she's not the Joellen of old that apparently she used to be, whatever, I don't know. All we've seen from Joellen, we've seen some rocky scenes where she checks people. and says some shit. But we've also seen her try to do what she did at the Sinatra thing. So when you're saying like this is who she is, she's phony and this and that and the other.

All I can say is this does not warrant this type of response. This is not that fucking serious. No, no. And it's off the back of Kelsey just saying like, hey, Joellen texted me and said pretty much what was going on. Like, I wish you were here. And that's set Liz back off. and clearly she's been thinking about it.

And I guess that's what Liz is just kind of using as the basis for all of her feelings towards Joe Ellen is just the fact that Jo Ellen also said things about Alicia. Now, again, it's not like Jo Ellen spoke up in that car and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, if she feels homeless that she was homeless or no, she was totally homeless and then going completely against what she had said like a couple nights prior, that's one thing. But she wasn't doing that. She was literally just mediating. She was just trying to make sure that you guys were okay.

because Alicia was crying and you continue to go in on her. That's all that happens. It doesn't matter what else she thinks. And that seems to be the only thing that's standing out for Liz, at least at the foundation, because the rest of it's just built off of whatever Joe Ellen was doing for the rest of the night, which again, it turned into something that it wasn't originally. It wasn't just that Joe Ellen was trying to get you to calm down the whole time and you were calling her fake.

It turned into a beef between the two of you. It became personal between the two of you. So Jo Ellen was acting how you were acting. That's all it was. but Liz seems to think that all of that was just a charade just because she's not who she says she is and she's fake and she's this and that and whatever and that's just not what it was. That's not how any of us took it anyway.

No, no, not at all. And it's turned into something that it didn't need to turn into. And the end of the episode just kind of puts a cherry on top of that. But there's a quick scene with Rosie, Rich, and her family. They're talking babies still, you know, whether or not they're going to have kids. Time will tell. Who knows. Rich wants 17 kids.

Rosie's not sure if she wants. once kids, blah, blah, blah. And we get to Audrey's. The biggest twist of the season for me is that I enjoy being at Audrey's down. Like, I have no issue with it. I'm like, okay, let's check in at Audrey's. And that's probably, that's a credit to Ashley, who I like her on this show. I like the role that she plays in this show.

She's not a mainstay. She's not in every scene, but I do appreciate what she brings to it. The crying thing is actually very funny to me when it's not even something involving her and she cries, but the lease on Audrey's is up soon. So they're trying to figure out, are we going to get the lease or renew the lease, or are we going to say goodbye to Audrey's? It does seem fairly obvious to me that you probably should have tried what you're about to try like when you opened.

You know, we should probably lean into the booze of it. I would. That's probably a good call. Is this the first time that we're making drinks and stuff? Like, is this the first time that we're like, hey, maybe we'll promote the cocktails because the price point is far higher than that of coffee. Yeah. You got to be careful.

You can't say booze and then I would lead into it. That's what I think for you to say. Sorry. I think I can pinpoint exactly what it is with Audrey's. We were worried that it was going to be this whole thing about Audrey's. Will we won't we? Will we won't we? Are we just going to talk about the fact.

that it's not making money. I mean, she even says that like here, like, yeah, we're breaking a little bit above even. So we're making some money. But there is progress. There are different facets to this. It's not just, uh, yeah, we're back at Audrey's and Jared spending too much time here and we're not making enough money. I don't really get it. I really want him to get pushed back into the influencer game, whatever it might have been.

If it was that the entire season, I would have been upset. But there's movement. There's actually different IDs being thrown out there. So I'm okay with it because it seems like we're getting to a point where obviously we're going to have a bit of a facelift for Audrey's. We're going to be able to figure out where to go from here. It's not just the run of the mill like, oh, yeah, we're back at Audrey's. It's, oh, yeah, what are they going to do with Audrey's?

So it just seems a little bit more interesting because there's movement, I think. That's a good point. I think you're right. It's not the same old song and dance every time. And I think the lack of pressure to keep it open is also making it entertaining because it's not like, oh, my God, if we lose this, we lose everything. It's more so like Ashley's saying, I kind of want it. to be gone. But for Jared's sake, like, let's, let's root for the Audrey's a little bit.

Well, let's see if we could do anything. So, yeah, I agree. But Joellen and Kelsey, we're doing a at home sip and paint and the Liz situation comes up. Now, I think Joellen explains it perfectly. She was just berating me and wouldn't stop. And I don't know why she's so mad at me. I agree with you. I don't understand why she's what I saw. And Kelsey has found herself and in her confessional, she says as much, this is, what I was worried about. Now I'm stuck in the middle of these two. She does a good job of kind of playing that middle role. She says to Jo Ellen, I understand where you're coming from. I somewhat agree with you. Now, the big part, the tough part, if Liz finds out about that, I think it's

going to be a fucking disaster for Kelsey. Yeah. And I think Kelsey knows that too. But to her credit, even though she knows that, she's still able to say to Joellen, I don't think he did anything wrong. I don't think there was any malice. Yeah, I'm happy she was able to say that because at least we get a real aspect of this, but I don't think that any of this is for the cameras

for either side. I think Kelsey is genuinely very afraid of Liz, of course, but I think she's also afraid of Joellen. So now she's in the middle of two people that she's afraid of, and Joellen does a very good job, especially in this scene, of making it seem like she's very appropriate. approachable and putting things out there

like a bit of a leading question like what did you think because the way that I saw it was this and she's not going to really let Kelsey disagree with her but it's also sort of entrapment because now you're getting Kelsey to say something that you know Kelsey doesn't want to say on camera which side are you want because the way that I'm talking about

it right now and I know you already talked to Liz I'm just trying to paint a picture for you I'm also painting a picture right now while we're drinking but I'm trying to paint a little bit of a theoretical picture what would you do if you were in this situation would you take not take Alicia's side, but would you try to get Liz to calm down? Okay, that's all I was doing.

So now she's agreeing with her. So Joellen, I don't know if this was a move. We'll find out, I'm sure, in an episode or two. But if this was a move, this is a good way to do it to somebody who's pretty impressionable at Kelsey. Exactly. And I will say, Kelsey's a phenomenal painter. That painting was awesome.

Yeah, it was how long that seemed it was. But it seemed like about 20 minutes. Yeah, that was a really good painting. And I don't, I like the slam pig painting. I think that needs to go up in. I know we just said like don't name the DJ tour slam pig, but in the world of the show, we're still close enough to slam pig to make slam pig jokes.

Yeah. I think we need the slam pig painting in, in Andy's clubhouse. I think it deserves to go in there. But yeah, this scene sets us up for an inevitable fallout or clash of Kelsey and Liz. Like that's where this is probably going to lead. And Joe Allen's like you said,

sets it up perfectly and doubles down on. Look, she's scary as fuck, but at the same time, I'm like, don't be a bitch and don't cow her down to her. She needs to know her behavior is inappropriate. I'm like, that is big on especially a new show, that we don't have somebody that can just kind of bully their way through it, that we have people that are like, I'm afraid of you, but at the same time, fuck you. Awesome.

No, I really appreciate that. But this is also where I got my, my projection for the future because I started doing that exact same thing. If Kelsey's in here and Liz says, fuck you to Kelsey for taking George. Joel inside, even though she's not firmly taking Joelle inside. But we just watch Liz just go crazy up in Boston. So she probably will. If she says fuck you to Kelsey,

who does Liz have left that she can have scenes with that she can sit down with? Just Dolores, that's not going to work. And Dolores is a friend of. And she's probably just a temporary friend of the way that this season's playing out. That's where I start to think like, all right, if somebody like Liz gets into a position where no one else really wants to fuck with her,

she's going to leave. She's just going to straight up leave. And I can actually see it now. I don't want her to leave. Neither do I. Neither do I. But that's the one thing that I think she's missing. I think everybody else in this show has at least shown their willingness to get to a better place or at least find a middle ground between people.

Liz has yet to show that. And I don't know if she has it in her, but if she can just learn to do that, she can be an easy mainstay on this show. Yeah, I could see that. But let's get to this scene. Rula and Liz, and this was like in a show that's just every scene hits, this one did not. I was like, what we're talking about Joellen, which is a softball for Rula because now she can be like, oh yeah, like she always wants to get involved. She always wants to play this role.

Like she wants to lash out at my husband. Brough, are you fucking joking? Like, we have damning evidence against your husband right now that Alicia is too afraid to show you. We saw damning evidence at the polo grounds. We saw the guys say, I got to go to the bathroom. Sorry, I had a work call. Like, the guy's fucking cheating on you.

You don't have any ammo. And you come into these scenes, pretending that you do. And in your confessionals talking to the audience, like, we're going to be like, oh, yeah, get her. It's not landing. It's just stupid. I'm like, I don't need her on this show. Like you said, we're reaching that point now. It's similar to Kay Michelle in.

in Atlanta where even if there is a payoff, like, I don't know if I'm going to give a shit. I think that Rula has a good housewife in her somewhere. But like I said, I said at episode two, it's not going to work because she's always going to be trying to defend her marriage and always sidestepping things and never addressing the issues. And these scenes are nothing. This is a nothing scene. Yeah.

Yeah. It's almost like I'm at a point now where I want Rula's contract to be, you can come back and be a housewife on this show or at least a friend of once you divorce bryan otherwise we're not going to waste our breath because that's what i'm getting right now is you're either too afraid to film because of what we've heard the rumors that brian's mistress is just going to show up whenever the hell she wants she's going to blow up your spot or you're too afraid to film because new people are going to find out what's going on with brian and then they're going to look at you weirdly i don't know what it is but it doesn't work it simply just doesn't work for the show i'm not even going to waste breath on

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Yeah. Come on your team. Tone it down. Come on. Usah, woo saw just a little bit. But her going at the end of this scene to a confessional, this is nothing. This gives me nothing. It's not a fucking, like, oh, my God, what's going on?

You know, because from what I've heard, Joe's not that loyal to her husband. I'm like, oh, yeah, get then evidence, something. You can't fucking throw that out there with nothing after we have everything on what's is nuts. Brian, this is like shoddy, shoddy work. I did not care for it. That's so like the low hanging fruit to just flip it with nothing. And that's what you're bringing to the show. It's just nothing.

Yep. Let's get to Kelsey and Bill. boy oh boy Kelsey and Bill this was an interesting scene because she doesn't think her situation's weird is what I know yeah I think it's normal she's almost like she kind of paints it in a way of this is the perfect scenario for me almost I've got a guy paying for me while I can just fully pursue a relationship with Bill and none of that's going to come crumbling down I want to more about the other side of it. I mean, this whole scene was really, it was funny at first because you've got the trainer in there. It's like, what's up with all the baby talk? What the hell's going on?

Are you, you guys exclusive? You guys official? Yeah, like, how much do you know about this trainer guy? You know way too much at this point for me. But talking about it, obviously, from Bill's perspective, which we'll dig into is great. But from the other side, if and when you make things official with Bill and you're moving forward with him and six months go by, will that guy say, all right, cool, you've got a new guy, I can pull the plug on all the fun day.

That's what I'm thinking. Now, obviously, Bill just kind of does a little bit more of where he's thinking, like, his standpoint and the whole thing, which I think makes total sense. I think it makes total sense. If you're going to be in a full-blown relationship with her, you can't be walking around town. You can't be doing all these things. I'm sure Rhode Island obviously is a very small place.

And people talk, how is that going to look? I mean, I'm sure it's already looked pretty weird for you. But now you're at a point where she's done with him and you guys can have a full-blown relationship, but she's still getting money from the X. So people are going to talk about that. Do you want to be in that position? Is that actually a worse position than where you were before? It might actually be.

So I understand where Bill's coming from totally here. But I agree with you. The way that Kelsey was going about this conversation was very bizarre to be. She's like, what do you mean? Like, isn't this like a dream scenario? Isn't this exactly where we should be? Like, we're official now. Isn't that all you've ever wanted?

No. Like yes, but no, not like this. Not like this. she's like we better be exclusive from getting back with my ex. Ha ha ha. Don't don't say those things. Nothing's going to land and him be like, ha ha. Love that.

Love hearing that. It's in the same world as saying like, oh, yeah, he gives me money. I just have to give him a BJ once a month. Like, no, don't say that either.

Stop. It's not fun for Bill. He's not having a good time with this whole thing. And, you know, the more we get into it, the more normal she's trying to make it seem. It's like,

Oh, it's definitely worth the way. He's like, it took a little long. Took a little to us, two years. You could tell that he's a little irritated by the whole thing. And her saying, I didn't get loyalty in my relationship. So I tested Bill to see if he was loyal. Oh, you did? You made sure he was celibate for a year while you were banging your boyfriend?

Yeah. This is fucked. This whole thing is fucked up. And Bill's starting to at least stand his ground. He's like, look, you have the apartment. You have the car. Oh, you don't want me to have any attachment to him. No, who the fuck?

No. What do you mean? Of course not. I'm so happy. He's like, no, of course not. Like, thank God. The way he was going about it before gave me a little bit of a little bit of a concern on Bill's part. I don't know how you feel about this.

I mean, I know how you feel about this. But you better stand up for yourself at some point for the love of God. And he did in this scene. So I'm thankful for that. But this is a housewife show. I'm supposed to be feeling good for Kelsey. You're doing everything that's making me feel bad for Bill. And I'm rooting for Bill, not for you right now.

You've got to switch this. Yeah, it was crazy because, like, her inability to understand why he's not like, this is a great situation. Because first of all, she casually drops you in a brain tumor. It's like, yeah, you know, right, I was blind. So my health insurance was super important. He was very adamant about me having good health insurance. And Bill respects that.

Why do you respect that? As we're going through every single thing. her going back to the confessioner going, why is this a bad thing? I'm not going to accept the gift because of Bill's ego. No, you're going to try to separate ties from this X out of respect for your current boyfriend. That's what it is. It's not an ego thing. You're cucking this man on TV, making him say things.

Say it with integrity. Oh, of course, baby. And then you're going to talk about how another man's paying for all your shit. And it's crazy to me that her solution is not, I'll get a job and make money. She's like, what, are you going to pay for me? I'm like, wait, there's another option. What about you? Dude, it's crazy.

And she ends it the worst way possible. I'm going to let it run its course. And then we're on to us. He's like, no, it's us. And that's it. You've put me through hell long enough. Like, come on. I don't know.

Being able to. like really push him to be official and then also saying, yeah, I got to let this thing run its course. And then we can move on to us. So what do you mean? You just said that we were official. I don't know. It's it's delusion.

It's very, very much to Lulu land. And it's entertaining as shit. Like these scenes are weirdly uncomfortable and fun to watch. Yeah. But at the same time, I'm like, your stance on this situation is borderline endearing that you see no issues and that you think Bill's the problem for not understanding.

I love that you really wanted to say delusion at its finest and then you realized this isn't the finest. I said it. I said it yesterday. I was I can't keep saying it. So I tried to pivot. That's totally fine. But yeah, I mean, it's not quite a point of my, please.

I want to get into a spot where I'm like, all right, you know that this is crazy when you're talking to Bill, don't you? I think I'm right now, right now I'm thinking that she doesn't. I think that where she is and her painting that whole like, yeah, he's going to pay for me and then when he's not anymore, then we can move on to our relationship. Weirdly enough,

it seems like Kelsey thinks that that's exactly what should happen. And it's wrong, definitely wrong. She might end up losing Bill and all of this, which I think would be a bad move for her. But I don't know, she's going to live and learn. It's wild.

It's wild to watch. But let's get to the end of the episode. we get Joe Ellen and Liz sitting down for lunch, and they both want an apology. I believe that Liz owes Joe Ellen an apology because she took it way too far. I think that all Joella needs to say is what she's already said to her, where it's like, dude, I was literally just trying to calm things down. She was getting berated, and she was sobbing, and it's Alicia,

so she's not going to put two and two together and see your side of things. And you kept going, I said, I'm sorry. you, yeah, whatever. So she sits down. I have no desire to fight with you. I'm not going to go back to the homeless thing and explain it, blah, blah, blah. I took offense to you positioning yourself as the peacemaker in that fight. Now, when we get to all you were saying was like your feelings are justified, your feelings are justified, which is true, by the way. I agree with you. I don't disagree. Pardon? Excuse me? So what are we fighting about? Why did you pull her hair and kick her chair. What's going on? But it gets more and more heated. And that's when we get

to the hair pulling and the chair kicking slash shoving. Liz, oh, you're going to do that. Okay. All right. If you're going to play it like that, there's something so fucked up about you. I was like, oh, my God. Do you really not remember? Like you, you 100% put hands on this woman. We watched it. It's on TV. Do you really not remember that? And now you're going to play like, wow, you evil, evil deranged person. You're going to try and paint me like I was trying to fight you. It seemed like you were. You're trying to get her to like make the first move is what I got from that. I think there is a very, very small chance here that Liz is actually right about Joe Ellen. And this is not the Joe Ellen that she's known for a long time. It could be for sure. I like there's just no way. And I know it's the first season. And I know we like to think that we know these women very well after 10, 11 episodes, wherever we are. But there is a chance.

that what Liz is saying isn't that crazy. And she is actually spiraling because Jo Ellen is being a different person. The problem is it doesn't convey over the TV. It just truly doesn't because everything that Jo Ellen has been saying, this whole episode and last episode, it seems like she hasn't taken one misstep, which is very hard to believe. But maybe Joellen is a bit of a mastermind. And maybe she is actually causing Liz the spiral.

And I don't know, but you have to be able to get your bearings. You have to figure it out because even in the beginning of the conversation, which should have been a resolution conversation, or at least try to provide some clarity to the situation. Liz came in agreeing in the most aggressive way possible, which I love and I really appreciate because it's very funny, but that's not the way to go about this because Jo Ellen has you exactly where she wants. If she is the mastermind,

you then balk, you then go after her and do exactly what she wants and you're playing into her hands. Again, if we're supposed to be agreeing with what Liz is saying, you came out of this looking awful. You came out of this looking wrong. And you were the one who perpetuated it. you even acknowledge that she was trying to be a peacemaker. So now you're trying to fight the peacemaker.

Like that's not a good look. And you can have your qualms. You can have your issues about the way that Joe Elm was going about it. You can even go back to that dinner and be like, all right, you're saying one thing, but then you're acting a completely different way in the heat of the moment. I had a problem with that. That would be fine. That's totally fine.

But when we get to the point of, well, once you started getting aggressive and putting your hands on me, then what do you want me to do? You can't react that way. that's the one thing that you can't do. I'm okay if you go into it thinking that you deserve an apology. Maybe you get to a point where you apologize to Joel and for being a little bit too crazy. Fine. But once you get to the point of you put your hands on me and you go,

ah, you're going to do that shit now. I see how this is going. You're paying me as a crazy person. She doesn't have to. We watched it. If anything, you should be trying to recover. And you're not trying to recover. You're not trying to get back to a point where you can at least have a conversation.

you just immediately pop off and leave and think that you won the battle. That's not going to play. No, and she goes to her confessional to end it. And she's like, the minute she said I put hands on her, I don't believe I put my hands on any kind of way. Yeah. You were in her ear literally, which would be enough for me. You were pulling her hair.

We saw it. And you shoved her chair. All of these things occurred in a clean shove. Real real. Yeah, she moved her pretty quick. quick, but those all happened. Like there, there's no question marks there. And like you said, and as I alluded to earlier, there, there's a very good chance that

Joe Ellen's putting on for the cameras. Yeah. But this is not how you combat that because you said, you're coming out of this looking like a crazy person because you're denying what actually occurred. You can keep it to the scene and still say like, I know what you're doing. but yeah, in this moment, but you're not doing that. You're assuming that we all know something about Joel and that we're going to watch your confession and be like, yeah, you're right, Liz.

That's not what I saw. I saw something totally different than I saw you apparently black out and not remember anything out of anger, which is alarming. And look, it's okay to be consistent too, because even in the earlier scene with Kelsey, when Kelsey asked her, like, do you ever feel like you're in the wrong? I was like, no, no, not usually. Almost never. Okay, that's fine.

I'm okay with that. But if you think and you have these suspicions that Joe Ellen is playing a game and she's doing this to try to make you look bad, you played into her hands during all of this. So if you want to look at it from a strategy standpoint, you shouldn't have done that. You should have come hat and hands and then had something prepared for Joe Ellen for later. Instead, you came in and more so exacerbated the situation

and made things worse for yourself. And once again, even after Boston, Joe Ellen's coming out of this looking even better. Yep. Joe Ellen is the clear winner of this altercation. But, oh, boy. I mean, great TV. It's just it does, as we've talked about,

it does bring up some questions of where does Liz fit in with the rest of the group moving forward. Yeah, I know. And I don't know. But let's see. Chris done. So Liz is scary, right? Yeah. yeah definitely uh from roads sarah does liz know she's being filmed or is she just pissed that she isn't

the number one girl in the girl group uh i don't know and that kind of goes yeah i think it's probably both to be honest um i don't know i really don't know i i think she's just sort of losing it a little bit and maybe she thought that the show was going to go differently with her being sort of the matriarch of the show and and kind of leading people in different directions and she didn't expect to be in this position. I don't know what it is. I really don't. We're going to need a couple more episodes to figure this one out. Agreed. Zoe could the palais is Liz the centerpiece of the show. If, sorry, if Liz is the centerpiece of the show, why is her edit so bad? There's no other way to edit that. That's what happens. There's no way to cut the film to make it look like she's in the right. Like,

she's losing her shit and it's evident. Yeah. I feel like for better or worse, the production company is actually giving us pretty much everything, like straightforward. Even rule as scenes. which we have dubbed as the worst because we don't care about them. They're still showing us pretty much everything. Like they're not, it doesn't seem like they're twisting it in a way to make us think one thing or another. They're just kind of showing us how it's playing out. And it's great.

I don't know how you could twist it. There's no way to twist anything that Liz has been doing. It's just only one way to see it. But, uh, Amanda Rocky's mom, I could be wrong, but I do understand Liz's read on Joell. Yes, that is true. Again, Joelle, or Liz is going about it the wrong way.

but she might be right, honestly. And I kind of believe it. She's just not doing enough to make us believe it at home. Agreed. J.B.A. the Hut, 713. Are you all frustrated with Rula barely participating in the show? Yeah. It's interesting.

Beyond. It's super frustrating on a show this good that we have to get like a weird pivot scene to her. And it's like this does nothing. You shouldn't be. Like the other ladies are doing, they're showing up to work with their hard hats. They are going to work.

work and they're doing a very good job and she's piggybacking off of them with these bullshit scenes and not acknowledging all this stuff and trying to take joellen down it's like dude until you talk about all the shit that has been brought up about you and your husband you have no room to talk about anybody about anything yeah uh from emma gordon where liz's emotions heightened because her fling with dino was about to go to prison maybe maybe perhaps something going on the background i'll talk about the ongoings Oh, don't you talk about those ongoingings. More ongoings, too, from Diane Scarano.

Why would Liz go on a reality show if she was, quote, unquote, allegedly involved in some shady stuff? The ongoing are always coming back to get you. Yep. Every time there's legal shit in a housewife show, we always ask why. Why would you come on national TV and put yourself in front of the camera for people to scrutinize your every move if you're doing shit. shady shit behind the scenes. Yep. From Illumiana.

What a mess. I kind of feel bad for Joe Ellen for just trying to de-escalate the situation. Again, yeah, I mean, you have to. If you're just looking at it at the surface level, yeah, you're going to feel bad for Joe Ellen. She was just trying to de-escalate. She wasn't trying to get involved in Liz went after her. But it could be a move. It really could.

You just got to have that in the back of your brain. Yep. Keep that in the back pocket. We'll do a couple more. It's all fairly the same question about. Liz. We can end on that one if you find another good one. Yeah, let me see.

I see a C word in here. Clean it up. Yeah, so I would drop a full C&X Tuesday in here. Yeah, at least put the stars in there. Give me some asterisk. No,

I don't have anything else because it's pretty much just Liz being scary and feeling bad for Joe Allen. So what do you got? From Rachel Nicholas, which cracker company should Alicia do an ad for first? there's got to be a cracker company out there that sounds funny in her accent and it's not writs stack a crackers that's a thing isn't it oh is it i don't know it's stackers or is that lays somebody has a knockoff pringle and i believe they're called stackers also that's the other funny thing is it actually

crackers or does she just refer to everything as crackers i think that she probably lumps a lot of non-crackers into crackers. It's a pretty wide birth, if you will. I think townhouse would be good in her accent. Townhouse. That would be solid. Yeah. Yeah.

We'll keep doing, we'll keep workshopping that. There's probably a lot of good ones out there. Not me Googling Cracker companies. I can't remember any. I mean, oyster crack is oyster crack is close nice. Yeah, that hits for sure.

Club, uh, Ritz, of course. saltines could work. Yeah, not really. Trisket, not really. Oh, chicken and a biscuit original crackers. I don't even know what this is, but go for it.

Those are good. Chicken and a biscuit. Yeah, that would work. Chicken and a biscuit. Toasted. Yeah. Yeah. Townhouse is still my front runner.

And house. Yeah. But you guys, you do your own research and send us some names of cracker companies that you would like her to say. But yeah, dude, I mean, just fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. No notes other than Rula doesn't need to be on this show. I cannot foresee anything that's going to like launch her back into

stardom, but second seat at the reunion, something's going to pop. It all has to center around Brian putting trackers. I think it's going to start. If it, if it doesn't hit next week, then it never. will because next week is a party at Rula's, Brian's there, Rosie tells Rula about the video. If nothing happens from that, then I really don't understand Rula. Agreed. But time will tell everybody. Time will tell. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Brow Bros are out of here.

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