Bros & Shows - Love Her or Hate Her, Danielle Remains a Traitor (The Traitors s03ep09)

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

What's up Bros? Quite the episode to recap today. Let's just say this, Danielle is a very frustrating player to watch. We will also say this, frustrating as she may be... it appears to be working. Now lets get to it. As the group sits down to breakfast they learn who was killed the night before. Speculation begins as the faithful are scrambling to come up with theories. Danielle and Britney are drawing the most scrutiny. Dylan begins to realize that his safety throughout the game might have to do with him getting unknowingly close with traitors. The Traitors have the opportunity to set up a chess game and Danielle attempts to put pieces in place to take down Carolyn. Carolyn is attempting to oust Danielle as well. However after the chess game, Carolyn opened herself up to a lot of scrutiny... At the roundtable a traitor is found and the theatrics following are... just wow. The episode ends with Britney being recruited which is widely discussed as simply the wrong move. But i guess we'll see? Who the hell knows, this season is off the rails. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, we'll talk about it. Yeah, I don't want to spoil. and shows i gotta have me my bros and shows good afternoon everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel rossel joined as always by the one and only shoot her my gutter how you doing i'm out i'm out i'm done i can't do it anymore i watched last night's episode live or about as live as you could i guess and at the end of it i said to myself i don't want to watch this anymore we have to there's only there is

one way that I will talk myself into it potentially being a really good end of the season and I'll get to that at the end. But right now, after what I watched, I'm done. You're all flustered? Done. I'm flustered as hell. I hate it. Angry little potato. I hated here. I hate it online too. As I said before, I typically will watch a show immediately go to Twitter or Reddit or something and watch through the theories. I hate everybody online too that their favorite person on this show is my least favorite person than I've ever watched on any reality show of all time. Daniel, I can't stand it here.

I just can't stand it here. I look, I'll save it because we can't spoil anything in the beginning of our episodes because we get yelled at. But I've got thoughts and feelings. I've got a lot of thoughts and feelings. We're going to talk about those. Very typical for a podcast host. It is.

That's usually why we have content to discuss is our thoughts and feelings. But I do. I have thoughts and feelings. Okay. okay put your camera down a little bit more well i just felt like there's too much space above my head i just i just did that yeah i thought yes we just we just did southern charm and i felt like there was too much dead space up here yeah secret of the industry we move we're not saying the joke went over our heads or anything but you know my head's up here a joke can't go over it

yeah now damn it but we start out in the turret and we still have our two remaining traders Daniel and Carolyn, and they're trying to decide what they want to do. Of course, Danielle wants to seduce and bring Brittany into the fold because that's her bestie. She is more important than anything else in this entire game, apparently. And obviously, Carolyn doesn't because Danielle has already tried to turn on her, I don't know, 30 times. And it's probably going to happen again if you bring your best friend into the fold. So I don't understand how Danielle is going to then act like she's made all of these concessions throughout this entire thing. because she hasn't. Carolyn's the one that's

the bite in her tongue because no one's listening to her. So she acts like she's this martyr and she's like, all right, you know what, that's what you want to do? I'll do it for you. I'll do it for you. And I think my biggest issue every time we're in the tour with these two, it seems so blatantly, and again, we're Monday morning

quarterbacking. I understand that. I understand we're playing with hindsight. Everything seems so blatantly obvious to me that she does that I don't understand that Carolyn didn't clock it in this moment. Yeah, I mean, and Carolyn's no stranger to gameplay. I mean, she's been on Survivor.

She said it a million times that she knows how to do this, how to do everything. We said that it was working to her advantage, the fact that her ideas weren't being heard in the turret, people weren't suspecting her because she was genuinely pissed off the next morning when people were murdered because she didn't get her, her say in the turret when it was Boston Rob and Danielle, and now that it's Danielle, she's getting steamrolled. So obviously, yes, I just, I have two problems. One, did you see Danielle's tweet two days before it aired? No.

Danielle tweeted out, to my fans, I'm so sorry. This next episode is crazy. Spoiler. Spoiler alert. You can't do that. She did that? Yes. She did it two days before the episode aired.

You just can't do that shit. I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to get people talking about you and then you can use this as a bridge to another show, of course, whatever. I just can't with her theatrics. That's my problem. every single time that she does something or something happens. It's always this over-the-top shit where she's like,

she's done. She's so sad. She's so upset. She was on the brink of tears because Carolyn wouldn't allow her to bring Brittany in. What person and Carolyn said this, how fucking crazy would I have to be to allow this to happen? I know what's going to happen. You're going to bring in Brittany and get rid of me immediately.

By the way, bringing on Britney is stupid. Everybody already suspects. How are you, you're this great game player. Everybody already suspects that the two of you have this bond. Clearly, they're going to think that you're traitors. And now that as the end of the episode plays out, they're going to be able to see, well, you know what? There was something going on here.

We kind of thought about Danielle. Who's she friends with? Let's go after those people. Why would you bring, or Brittany into all of that? It just doesn't make any sense. It's the same, it's the same dumb moves that they've made with all these murders. And look, the biggest problem with this show is that the traitors are in disarray. They're playing a shit game.

and the faithfuls outside of Dylan and Gabby are idiots. They are absolute morons. So it's working on them. So it's just not fun to watch at this point. It's just frustrating. There's a lot of frustrating things. And the counterpoint that I've heard to bringing on Britney is like, oh, well, then she can sacrifice her. It's like, yeah, but if they clock Britney as a traitor, let's say they do vote her out.

She says, I'm a traitor. They're going to look at who she's closest with. Who's her best friend? If it were to play out in a way that they bring in Brittany and instead of whatever reason, like they don't go after Carolyn or Danielle doesn't betray Carolyn and Brittany gets clocked and she goes home at a roundtable, I am already cringing in what Daniel's going to be doing. She's going to be laying on the floor face down, kicking and screaming and crying. Like, I just can't with this shit.

Let's keep moving. Because we get to breakfast the next morning and our first people in are Carolyn and Gabby. and they're just speculating this is what we do at breakfast we speculate as people file into the room and they're both in agreement gabby brings up daniel obviously caroline's going to run with it that's the correct move i think i don't think that there's any hope to salvage the turret you got to clean house and you got to get somebody in that you trust because but it's it's dwindling down in numbers so you do have to start thinking of yourself and yeah i agree early on and it's not like the trader's ever played this way. But early on, if somebody brings up a trader to a trader,

you should try to deflect and say, I don't really see that. I see this person. And then you try to turn it. That's how you should do it. That's not what they've done the entire year, which is part of the reason why this sucks. But yeah, I mean, if you're in Carolyn shoes, somebody brings up Danielle to you, you listen. You don't immediately put 10 toes down and say, absolutely, let's go after Danielle. But you do say, yeah, that is a little suspicious, the things that she's doing. Because then you can log it in the back of your brain like okay gabby's on to daniel so if i do need daniel out i know who to turn to and i know what things that or that gabby saying that daniel's been doing to let that spread like wildfire to the other people because it's numbers game at this point

and gabby speaks for i would hope all of us in saying i can't watch her breakdown again i can't watch that shit happen yeah dude that's my biggest question mark as i watch this show week to week I'm like, is nobody watching her react? If I was on this show and saw anybody have that kind of reaction every single time without fail, I would be looking at them the whole time. And that's what bothers me too. People have been, they've been speculating about Danielle multiple times, but there's never a follow-through. And I don't understand that.

Here's the other thing that pisses me off. We got stuck on the fucking coffin thing. for like, what, six days? Why has nobody brought up the fact that Danielle was in front during that trivia game and passed on her own picture three times? Apparently it got cut out again. There was like three or four different times where she picked Dolores or Derek over her own picture to save.

She did it four times. I don't know. She did it so many times that they had to cut it out. Like, how is no one we're still stuck on and we got rid of Sierra last week because of the stupid coffin thing? And I get it. Like you do want to run its course. because it's the only theory that you morons actually have.

So, yeah, let's just get this out of the way so we can try to look elsewhere. No one has thought about this. And everybody in their confessionals after that was like, this is fucking suss, dude. This is really weird. Why is she doing this? But now we're not going to talk about it at a roundtable. I just don't get them. They're so stupid.

But that's where I have to, it might be bizarre and it might not be like what we see as good gameplay. something she's doing is working. I can't discredit that. I cannot discredit the fact. You know what she is doing that's working? Did you hear about this? Did you see this? That she was telling people that she swears on her children's lives.

Her grandchildren. Apparently she said it to because Sierra did an interview afterwards or maybe it was in her like post show thing, which I still think they should put that at the end of the episodes. And Sierra said, I can't believe it's Danielle. She was swearing on her grandchildren that she's not a traitor. And then Chrisel went on a podcast this last week and said the same thing. and they're going to talk about it at the reunion, which, thank God, they get a reunion for the show because there's a lot that needs to be discussed. But she's been doing it to everybody, and I get it like the fucking,

the weird Danielle stands on Twitter are saying, that's just good gameplay. It's called the traitors. We're going to do this and that and whatever. And Bob the Drag Queen said he swears to God. It's like, yeah, but he also said at the end that he doesn't fucking care. Like, it's where God is their defense? Yeah, yeah.

Well, they're too serious. Dude, they're insufferable. It is bad. I know you're on like Doom Talk. I'm on like Danielle Reyes Twitter and I hate it here. Interesting. Maybe I have to do a little dip a toe over there. That sounds.

Don't do it. You're just going to get mad. Because Bob the drag queen swore to God and then also said, I don't believe in God. So that has no, that bears no weight. That's not the same thing as swearing on your grandchildren's lives. And that's what, yeah, I have heard that. And you could argue gameplay, but that's like a step. far that's a bit too far and i can see her doing it too and like the way that she's doing

these things hear it she's crying while she says i swear all my great kids i swear to god she's like shaking and her eyes are bulging out of her head like again just very suspect just yeah god i just can't do it well brittney and tom walk in and tom he's funny man and the dude the funniest thing is the comments in our videos people like no one's rooting for him no one's rude i'm like relax a lot of people are too fucking relax a lot of people that don't watch like Bravo shows that are

up to date on Scandalval there's plenty of people or they don't think it's that big of a deal like oh he cheated on his girlfriend whatever because they're not in tune with it so like there's plenty of them out there he just had dinner with that boyfriend I was talking about last week did you see that

no so that TikTok of that the girl explained to a girlfriend about Tom the guy who calls him Tommy. Tommy. So Sandoval reached out, and so let's make it happen. Like, ha, ha, they did. He went and had dinner with Sandoval.

He went and had dinner with Sandoval. Yeah. So, like, yeah, the dude's just come back. Everyone gets so, like, the reaction was so visceral in the comments. Like, no one's rooting for him. Fuck you guys. I'm like, well. Dude, at this point, I'm rooting for him.

You fucking kidding. It's hard not to like the guy. Like, he hides behind the door and jumps and goes, ha ha it's like oh tom's here no one thought you were going to die tom he always thinks he's going to die too it's just so good i know i know but what you can see because they're discussing no one's looking at caroline in this moment right no one's got their eye on caroline she's done a good job of staying under the radar we know that brittany's loyal to daniel we know that daniel is loyal to brittany and then you get this little scene with iver and daniel talking

to each other. And this, again, this is where I'm going to have to give credit. I will always give credit or credits. Dude, Daniel's aware that Carolyn's on to her, right? She's, and I don't think that's rocket science. I think based on the trader's game plan up until this point, the number one suspect is your fellow traders, because that's what everyone's been doing. Yeah. But she has the same game plan as Carolyn, obviously. So she's trying to set her pieces in motion, get everything figured out. I think it's really important. that Dolores is pretty much widely regarded as a faithful. Iver is in the same boat as her.

They are both safe from elimination from the night before. So I think that as far as gameplay would go, if we're playing the game, knowing those things moving forward, then I'll save it for later. Just keep that in your head, right? Dylan's safe. We find out that Sam got whacked.

I think he took a misstep last week in, being so smart with his approach out of nowhere i liked it i thought that it was like from him talking about the shoes and the outfit i'm like oh wow like this is impressive he's totally on to something here but i think because he was so quiet for so long and then all of a sudden started positing these pretty solid theories you know other than the coffin thing but i get where he was coming from he pretty much painted the target on his own back unfortunately so sam gets the boot and Alan just phenomenal

walks in he looks fantastic I thought he looked like Dr. Seuss character he looked like Cindy Louho with that the one little hair

with the little thing here yeah I thought he kind of looked like an oompa oh that works a really fashionable opa lupa like a

mupa I would want to dress like I could blow that off but he he felt again but it's been intriguing

to watch the journey of Dylan Ephron you know for so many reasons like mainly because he seems to be a fairly smart

game player. He does seem to figure out in this moment. He's like, you know, I think somebody's bringing me along at this point. He's like, I'm shocked to still be here. And you know what? I might be getting used by the traitors right now. Which is funny because as he's figuring these things out, he's

posited some decent theories along the way. He has been playing pretty well, but at the same time, all of his closest trends have been the traitors. Yeah. And Yel. Carolyn? I think that like it could be intentional or, you know, maybe it was unintentional at first, but now he kind of realizes that he can get to the end of the game if he just keeps these people

and he realizes that they are. And he, I mean, he's on Carolyn. He's on Danielle. And he's right. And he's been right pretty much the entire time. Anytime that he pivots somewhere else, it's at least in the right direction. Now, everybody's going to suspect Brittany at this point based off the last couple of roundtables, fine. But Danielle and Carolyn, Carolyn, especially at this point, the fact that he's,

thinking about it at all and he thinks about it a lot later is huge so he is on the right trail and i think right now he's playing a game within himself where he's thinking yeah the traders could be just kind of like wheeling me along here just keeping me till the end and then they'll try to kill me but if i get to them first that's fine so he's trying to come to terms of all of that so he's playing his own game he's not really listening to anybody he's not really taking it he's not going out on a limb at roundtables he's really just where he is and he realizes that's probably the safest place that you could be but i want to ask you something okay if we were playing this game wouldn't you realize at some point when you're sitting at breakfast the last couple of people to come in are the

supposed targets yep couldn't you base a theory off of that like okay the last people that like the last guy that came in was dylan so that's for the audience dylan is a surprise oh dylan's here sam's out great wouldn't you think like oh shit it was down to dylan and sam and now you start to think who would want to get rid of Dylan that would be a faithful we haven't seen a traitor come in at last just say we know for sure that it's not editing and sure that they're yeah correct it is full it is fully true yeah okay yeah see i would look at that i would look at that or i'd like the other thing is i love when uh tom did it again he just he did it again this is i don't even know if you caught this one remember last week when

he said do it quickly oh yeah with the with the chess moves yeah i mean did spit spot spit spot when i heard make moves i'm like chess chess game yeah yeah no spit spot yeah he can't help himself dude but he's great we get everyone speculating right everyone's doing their thing tom's talking to gabby points out red flags for dolores which just continues to show that well he is entertaining he is horrible at this game yeah gabby points out the traders if they haven't already, are probably going to turn on each other at this point. Good call,

except they've been turning on each other the whole time, but you're on to something there. Dolo and Danielle are talking. And now Daniel's like, I've been playing scared, like I'm not playing scared anymore, and she's thinking that Carolyn won't see her coming. That's her big game plan,

is that Carolyn's not going to see this one. We do know that she already is, but without saying it. And this is smart. in hindsight it makes sense though based off of what we see in the turret for the game that we're about to play that's why she has this confidence that's why she's coming in this strong is because she feels like the pieces are already set and that is a chess pun but she feels like the pieces are already in place for the takedown of caroline so that's why i think that she's going out on the limb here and they are they are it's undoubtedly that's caroline had a terrible episode yeah caroline had a really she buried herself this episode but i mean the way that she's She says it where she's like, she doesn't say a name. She goes, just wait for the roundtable. Wait for the round table.

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confident? Like, she called that. So, like, I love to a little bit. A wait. A wait. Oh, wait. Not good. I'll wait. Yeah, no spoilers. But like, again, the faithfuls are so dumb. They're just so dumb. There's so many fucking obvious red flags.

And I know it's easy for us to say watching at home, but like, come on. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like put myself there and, and give grace to understand that I'm sure it's infinitely harder when you're there. But you got Tom throwing out whoever he's got a feeling about with no actual evidence. Dolores. You got Dolores who, you know, at one point, she was. blocking people and now I don't know what she's doing entirely like I over is Ivers useless Iver is fucking useless because he will spin on a dime he was dead set on Danielle the whole time I'll wait I will wait I will wait this yourself come on Dylan and Gabby are talking

and Dylan brings up his theory about about being kept around and that does narrow it down who am I closest to and he starts thinking about Brittany okay Danielle and he's like I think it's Danielle. I'm really close to Daniel. It makes a lot of sense if she's protecting me to get through to this far. Okay. Dylan talks to Carolyn. And he brings up that theory to her. And I'm like, okay, we got movement on this because now there's, there's enough people left or not so little people left that you can do the math. If you're going through and lobbying for somebody to get canceled, canceled. Cancelled. Yeah, we're in 2020. For somebody to get canceled. then you can do the math and figure out what your odds are and if it's worth to bring it up so i like

what she's trying to do and she's trying to fear out when to pull the trigger i thought she needed to move a little bit more carefully but hey hindsight once again this this scene this was it for me yeah this was this was the one where i'm like i oh oh brittney's talking to daniel brittney gets like starts going into tears like i just don't know what i would do without you i just can't play this game without you. She's a faithful. Her emotions are like all over the map. Okay, fine. She found a, found an ally in an unlikely friend. Okay, fine. She's a little emotional. I don't understand. I do not understand. This is a game about getting people off of this show. It's a game of being the last one standing. I get it if you're putting on the theatrics in front

of people, but in a confessional, Daniels brought to tears about the fact that she has to betray potentially Brittany and that she's been lying to her this entire time. What are we doing? This was my least favorite scene of a lot of shows. It's just like, why are you crying? And that just goes like,

I agree with you fully. The fact that you can do it in front of other people, fine. You're trying to put on this whole like, traitorous facade. Fine, go for it. I don't care. Throw people off your scent by being crazy and over-emotional. Whatever. It's very cringy when you do it. But I get why you're

doing it. But like you said, in a confessional, you're sitting there by yourself. You have a trader tagline under your name. Everybody knows you're a traitor that's watching you. Fuck you crying for. She's a faithful. She can go back and watch it. She can go back and watch it. Probably. Oh my God. Brittany. Uh, I, Danielle's had my back the whole time. This really fucked her up. It's like, it's a game. You lose her. It's a game show. Dorks. You guys are six days. Yeah, man. It drives me insane. Like just play like, I agree. I, we get that too. And it's not like this is some crazy like psychological fuck up where everybody's just ruined for weeks after this game look at boston rob and west like they're still sitting there in their exit

interviews and they're like yeah you know i had a good time it was kind of fun i wish i lasted a little bit longer but i had a great time doing it it was a lot of fun how are you not like that like i can't imagine going into this game being like like i'd be serious that i lost i'd be furious that i lost because you miss out on the fame and the glory and the money and whatever but like crying Because you feel upset. You're betraying somebody. Oh, my God. It's called the traitors loser.

Like, shut up. She knows what she's signed up for if she loses this game. Such loser shit. I don't know. I don't understand it. But we get to the mission. And I was so excited. I was so excited.

Yeah. When the traitor chess piece moved like that. Because I wrote down, it's Harry Potter chess in my notebook. Not me. Not Hermione. You. You. I really wanted the trader to, like, pull out some fucking sword and just chop.

Yeah, like that last... I even know the music. That's actually perfect. I know. You're welcome. Nice. Yeah. I love Harry Potter.

That got me going. I got me bricked up. I'm not going to lie. Dude, it's on Peacock. I know through seven. It's on HBO, too. One through eight. Yep.

My bad. My bad. Hey, we're good. You got the music right. You're all right. My book. Whack, and then Ron goes flying off the horse. Anyway, let's get back to business here.

The traders were asked a series of questions, and they were to choose the player that they think most fits the description of the chess piece involved. I thought this game was unfair. I thought this is like the most unfair game that we've played a whole time. It's very subjective, no? Yeah. Very subjective.

Like, in terms of winning money, this is kind of bullshit. Because if you had good traders, that are trying to throw people off the scent. All of these questions are going to be wrong. Like, who's the voice that's like least heard or whatever? You throw it on like Dylan because like he's been leading the charge. Like throw it on top like anybody, like anyone at all. Like you could have just.

Don't give actual answers. You could have randomized all of this and just blew the game, threw it off and whatever. Instead you pick real answers. So like you have like a fucking ulterior motive to get money. But like you're going to show your hand. It's like, I just don't get it, ma'am. Well, that's, this was the first big misstep here because we got Kate Chastain and Parvety are returning to be the overseers.

I'm not even sure what their role was, actually, now that I think about it. The queens, they asked the queens. They were the queens. Yeah, they were they did ask the questions, yes. Okay, there you go. I was writing things down. So, let's get into it. The first one that represents the snake.

Who's slithering under the radar? Tom. would have been a good answer because that's so off but no it's brittany yes and then the group deliberates and they also agree that it's brittany and this is what i got excited because lo and behold it is a harry potter chessboard and that thing goes and gets to brittany they're right it's also and also i thought everybody was on the right thing like dylan even said it in his confessional whoever answers this they want us to win money so who's going to be the one that's answering correctly the most the first person who answered was daniel and this is where her pride gets in the way

because she came up with that she talked about it in the turret she said let's put this in there because they just said to brittany last week that she was the snake who's slithering around see i disagree no i think i think that i think that daniel's pride got in her way on this one because she was the first one to answer as well she's like oh it's it's a call back to the last round table think about it guys it's like you're not that smart like i think that i think hold on I think that if you, you're going to have to interject at some point. You can't be silent the entire time. I think this one is so glaringly obvious that this is the one that you do.

But they were answering wrong to start off with. Like she said Brittany and then everyone else. Well, Tom said himself, of course. But everybody else. For everyone. For every single one of them. You couldn't know it. That's the best.

By the way, if he was a traitor, that would be the best approach. Just say you for every single one of them. And just be full of yourself. like that is the right approach but no i i saw it a little differently i saw it as like brittany or daniel came up with it and like yes to your point it is glaringly obvious because we just talked about this yesterday somebody just accused brittany of being a snake but they weren't really on to it and daniel was really adamant like no it was just said yesterday guys come on let's do this it's like all right like i don't know man i think i think i think i think my despise for daniel in the way

that she's playing right now is is getting in my way yeah try to take the emotion out of it and see where that could have been a good move. Okay, fine, whatever. Skull, number two, biggest threat. Tom. Of course it's top. No, it's Brittany again, but I like this one. No, it was Tom.

No, it was. Oh, they chose Brittany. They chose, Tom is the one that the traders chose Brittany. Yeah. Group chose Tom. No. Yes.

They got this right. It was Tom. No, they did not. Oh, they didn't get it right. Wait, hold on, hold on. Now I'm confused. Are you sure about that? You can't choose this.

If Brittany won the first one, they wouldn't choose Britney again. Okay. We got to go back and look at this. No, you don't. We're going to go back. No, you don't. They did choose Tom for one of them.

They did choose Tom for one of them. It was not this one. Tom was the wolf. I don't know about that. Okay. I'm going to sit. We'll go on. No, we'll go on.

No, look forward. Move forward. I don't feel like going through. I need you to acknowledge me. I can't look it up. I don't need you to look it up. I'm telling you. I will say that you're right.

Fine. We'll go. I don't say it like that. Just say you're right. I want I want to get through this game. I'm not moving. I am immovable. Move.

What do you? No. Chesspiece? Yes. I'm the king. I only move one space when I feel like it. I don't feel like it. You haven't, you haven't checked me.

I always thought the king. I always thought the king was asleep. He's just sleeping the whole time. Yeah. No, no. I'm not. I'm waiting for you. you to just say

I'm right. You're so, you are right. You're so right. I know I'm right. And I can't wait for you to fucking know it. Feels, feels so good when you're right. Doesn't lie, dipshit. They choose Brittany. Tom votes for himself using evidence, by the way. That's his whole thing. He goes, you know, I just feel like

I, I, he says this to the group of people. Okay. We have watched Tom Sandoval throughout this entire game play solely based on emotion because he has a gut feeling about somebody and then he fabricates evidence that's not even evidence it's just feeling right his defense about why he's the skull the biggest threat is because he uses evidence for people it's because he got boston rob out

he didn't have any help yep let that charge nope and lo and behold it was brittany not tom so they got that one wrong all right daniel that was part of her game plan or part of that's why it's important that you know it's actually brittany because that was to protect her game. Yeah, that's what Daniel's doing at this point. She's just trying, which is again,

insane. I'm trying to protect my friend. Yeah. I agree. Protect the traitors. I agree. It's just so hard to say just because it's working.

You know what I mean? Like that's where it's hard to be like she's doing it wrong. I guess I'm not mad at her. I'm mad at everybody else. That's fine. And that I understand because there seems to me to be so, many things that are like, dude, look at that. Dude, look at that.

Like, how are you guys following? So maybe that's why. But we get to the wolf, the leader of the pack. And while they're discussing this, this is when they pick Tom because they say he's too arrogant to not say his name. As soon as they bring this one up, who's the leader of the pack? Tom goes, it's me. Team consensus is Dylan.

Carolyn doubles down on Tom. And this is where Carolyn shot herself in the foot. Yep. She should have stayed quiet here. they had already picked somebody it already picked someone but she wanted to win the money which still would point to her yeah and like who cares at this point about like this is a this is a type of game that you can throw i think this is a built-in game to throw if you're a traitor and you just can't get ahead of it like what who cares like you guys have grown

and like we keep thinking the way that these challenges go that you're throwing all the challenges but then they end up winning in the last like three seconds anyway you guys have done pretty good on the challenges. You haven't fucked up a challenge since the boat won in the first episode. Since then, you've pretty much hit every challenge. So this is one that you just burn. Just leave it. Yeah, dude. I think so too. But she she puts herself in the crosshairs with somebody that wasn't even looking at her really. Like he was speculating a little bit just because he's now thinking of the fact that everybody up and close to has been a traitor. So after this, Now, Dolores points out Carolyn.

She goes, whoa, whoa, we're not calling you a traitor. And she has a bad reaction to it. And now Dylan is honed in on Carolyn. And I'm like, no, no, Dylan, no. So bad. And Tom, Tom's always felt like a lone wolf. He's a one-man wolf pack. Oh, God.

He's going to get a wolf necklace now, isn't he? Probably. I already has one, but he's been, yeah. leaning into the leg is I bet he was so stoked that they called him a lone wolf that he was I guess they didn't actually they didn't yeah no they picked

Dylan or no they picked they did pick Tom they did no yeah the group picked yeah he is the lone wolf no the group did not the group pick the group pick Dylan the team pick Dylan yes the traders picked top yeah you're

I'm confused now mouse number four the mouse who's the most irrelevant at this point eyes are on you and yes you have been saying the whole time that you are never listened to that no one pays attention to you just so if you know that you if you were going to speak up from caroline standpoint if she was going to speak up at any point she should have stayed quiet until this point and made a joke or something like like the ironic it's very

ironic to be able to be like adamant that it's you in the one where nobody listens to you? Like now you're going to be loud about this? The irony is palpable. You wait, you say somebody else, you wait until somebody says you and then you laugh about it or you

get upset about it and say you know what? That is actually pretty much me. Nobody ever fucking listens to me. That's what you do. You don't now speak up. This is the worst time to speak up. I think after she talked to Dolo previously I think she was rattled now now I think she's playing oh shit mode and trying to do some damage control which is unfortunate because and I was I was actually confused that nobody clocked it until later we get confirmation that somebody did because somebody brings up the fact that Carolyn's the one that said Tom and she's like I never said that I never said that I was like oh yeah you did you totally did like why are you

saying that like oh fuck like that's that to me was the nail in the coffin but no one brought that Dolores then Dolores said look I'm not I'm not claiming that you're a traitor nobody's accusing you of being a traitor but you know it's okay she's like no no it's like she's so sloppy it was just incredible she's been so good up until this point it was I know but that's the other thing like if you were rattled like you said and you had that conversation with Dolow and you found out that you know people are throwing your name around there Danielle's talking about you and you get a little rattled why are you worried about being right and getting money you should be worried about your own ass getting them money's not going to do anything for you i think

she was trying to figure out the right time to insert herself so that she's not staying quiet the whole time and i think that she jumped the gun with the tom thing and i think that she doubling down in this moment was was her downfall right because she second guesses at herself and now dylan is completely locked in on her he's like I think it's I think it's Carolyn it's either Carolyn or it's Danielle yeah it's one of those two so we

get a little foreshadowing as the game ends Alan's like tomorrow the power of seeing could change the game forever yeah that's what we're looking forward to next week and they they do it in the like scenes from after it's like called the seer

I guess is another part of this game I don't know what that is but get the car ride home and dylan tells tom about caroline and he's he's to his credit he's trying to talk himself out of it which is unfortunate and he's like oh no i don't know he's second guessing everything and don't worry tom is tom's locked in on dolores so you don't have to worry about you're not going to get him on your team with this whole thing but you can watch in real time as they're driving back caroline's starting to realize that daniel has set her up that the whole thing in the turret, allowing her to pick and choose.

And again, I know emotions, cloud things. She set her up. And it worked. That one worked. Yeah, that one, I will say worked. It worked. And we get pre-round table and Carolyn's paranoid is shit. Iver is suspicious about Danielle.

Carolyn jumps in. And I think, again, now she's playing damage control. So she's doing a little bit too much at this point. And she keeps bringing up the lie. the lie the lie the lie i had forgotten what the lie was until we get to the roundtable later but even that it's not whatever the lie was it's not monumental enough of an event for other people to resonate and be like oh right i forgot that she did that yeah that seems to be our only defense which is unfortunate but i just i again and this is just us watching at home but like

there's just so many other things that you can point to so many other like weird things that daniel's done that you can point to that everybody else could be like oh skipping over the shield twice right it's getting over the shield apparently a bunch of times like why again nobody brought that up like that is hard good hard evidence that points to somebody who might be a traitor who's okay it doesn't feel like they're going to get murdered like why you're talking about a lie like and also like and i think this is just the way that caroline operates but i think that whole lie thing just kind of festered in her brain and she thinks it's a good idea but everybody else just kind of moved on from it nobody like brought it back up even caroline didn't bring it back up after she went after daniel at that

that roundtable, which was weird that, you know, Tom, Tom brought back up yesterday and talked about it in the garden, but nobody else is really thinking about it as much anymore because of where you are, because you are the mouse. Like, yeah, it's just, it's not working. So there's just, there's so many different things that you can point to, point to her emotions, point to anything else, but like, not that. Nobody cares about that. And when Iver, Iver, I was such a dick, bro. He asked Tom about Carolyn. He's like, I don't know. And he's like, she can't do that. Oh, if she can, she deserves an Oscar. I was like,

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fuck he's like you would i would you're right and she's like this is the story of my life but also that i thought that was a weird move though like if the other traitor told you this you would feel different about it no instead it's like yeah but he was a traitor so why are you bringing him up it's just tough it was sad i was it just made me sad but dolow and iver are talking and iver brings up daniel to daniel and dolow makes a face where i'm like oh was dolores on Danielle too because she's like whoa and like clocks i'm like dude what are you doing yeah dev pointed that one out to me i've rewound it till i was like oh shit yeah but if i don't know if the round table goes the way it does without this moment because i don't think iver votes the way

he does i don't think they have the votes yeah i mean even like when it was going through i'm like it could still break to a tie it could break this way i'm not really sure but i it was interesting too Because before they even did the challenge, they were counting numbers. There's eight people left. We only need four votes, really, because you have to imagine that somebody's going to do something weird, which they do. Two people do something weird, which is still funny. But you only need four votes, really. Like, that's really all you need.

And they were still scrambling. They're like, I don't know if we have the numbers. Like, you could have just locked that in. You had four. You had Carolyn, you had Dylan, you had Gabby, and you had Iver. That's all you need. Just hold standard with that. Like, don't do anything different.

instead they scrambled Carolyn scrambled and it just fucked everything up so yeah I think you're right I think this was the breaking moment where this was so like I think everybody is too I think all the faithfuls are like very flimsy right now because again they don't have anything to go off of there's no real theories feelings and vibes and and really just going to vote the way that the table votes so somebody comes in and you're dumb enough to say to somebody's face which I'm not going to say Dylan is dumb enough to say Carolyn I think he wanted to see how she would react I think that was trying to do some detective work. Yeah, he was doing detective work.

Yeah, he was doing detective work, which is fair, and that's fine. And you wanted to see what Carolyn was going to do. Iver, for whatever reason, brought up Danielle to her face, probably because he didn't feel strongly enough. And he wanted to be talked out of it. So like it, it was a weird move. I didn't like it, but it, I have the byproduct from it resulted in what it did at the roundtable. And that sucks. Yeah, it does.

And I also, I, it felt personal. Mm-hmm. Danielle, who's, you know, trying to be nice to people behind this. scenes, but, you know, the Colombo argument, she's like, she plays dumb. Like, she just acts dumb. I'm like, I didn't like that's dirty. And she's not acting dumb. She's being herself and she's just different.

It was tough when you put that side by side with the conversation with Dylan that Carolyn had where she feels like people think that she's dumb and they think that she's crazy and she's out there. And then Danielle says this and then says what she says in the roundtable, which we'll get into. But like, that felt personal. It was too much. It was.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a fuck. You can play the game without being an asshole Yeah, I don't know Like she caught a stray there But round table Silence

And soes for a while And then Iver jumps in Of course Yep We got two female traders left It's got to be women guys It has to be ladies He has said this at every single round table

Get these fucking women out of here I hate a ball This dude hates women But Carolyn At this point She's she's fighting up hill she brings up daniel again and she's stuck on this why would you lie if you're a faithful and i'm like i'm racking my brain i'm like what's this lie yeah nobody cares lie and then she brings

it up she's like saying brittany's name i'm like oh yeah i'm like oh no that's that's what we're using here that's the route we called it out and said like when did i tell the lie where was i when i told the lie because when she said that was in the turret and daniel can't say it was in the turret like yeah she can make something up but like she's going to fumble through it like i thought that daniel was actually very composed aside from being very mean but she was pretty composed during all of this she won this whole thing yeah she definitely won it she won this whole thing but again like it's just fucking mean because she's like you act silly and dumb and then she jumps in she goes you can ask dylan he watched my season that's who i am it's not he's like it's not an act that's

who she is she's all over the place in the best way and i was like that's really nice That's really nice to say after she just said you act silly and dumb. And that's just who she is as a person. But Daniel, let's like all be on Daniel's team. Like, fuck that, dude. No. I can't wait to look at this side of Twitter.

It's going to be a lot of fun. But like I said, Danielle did win the argument other than the silly and dumb things. I was just rude. But she used the chess game as her defense, which is a smart move. And I know because there's too many things there to ignore. There just is.

Like she spoke out here. There's too many faithfuls that have no idea what's going on. And they just, they'll vote with the table and you give them evidence. It's all recency bias. Nobody's thinking about anything that happened up until this point. I'm only thinking about today. So Daniel made the right moves here.

Yep. And as she's going through her last defense, she's, you know, Carolyn's talking about how she's been alone this entire time. And Tom jumps to her defense a little bit at the end there where there's evidence. But, you know, she did advocate for me against Boston or Rob.

and she tries one last effort to be like, I'm always ignored. This is just more of the same. I'm used to this. And we go to the vote. I wasn't very confident going in, but we get two votes for Danielle. It drives me up a fucking wall, bro,

that Dolores and Tom are just wasting votes. Just wasting fucking votes. I mean, I was pissed about it yesterday because, like, obviously, look, I think that Dolores probably would have gone to Carolyn if it came down to it. but Tom would have voted for Daniel. It still wouldn't have mattered, really.

But it's so funny that the two Bravo people left are just like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. What's your name, Tom? Fuck you, Tom. Fuck you, Tom. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Dolores, fuck you, Dolores. Yeah, fuck you, Dolo. And they just keep, like, stop wasting votes.

Somebody said, somebody said if Dolores gets the seer, she could go up to somebody, ask them if they're a traitor, get confirmation that they're a traitor, and still vote for Tom the next day. That would be, that would be funny. That would laugh at that. That would be dumb, but that would actually be funny. Because right now I'm not laughing. The way the season's going after what happens here, and as, you know, we just talked about the votes, go around. I was still hopeful going through all of this because I'm like, all right, Dolores goes for Tom. We could still have Tom.

We could still have Dylan, get Danielle out. Then Tom wastes his vote. Obviously, Brittany's going to vote for Carolyn because she's up Daniel's ass. They're both up each other's asses at this point. It's annoying. But I thought, you know, we could get a. tie in here we're still yet to see a tie i want to see what the tie breaker is i guess everybody has to vote for one or the other but now it's just dylan was in a tough spot and uh you know

that's the he's the final vote to banish carolin who is in shambles about the whole thing which is really sad but i'm sure you had the same reaction of watching daniel do what daniel did and I like she is on the ground shaking crying it looks like she's going to throw up I don't understand I hated it we have watched her do this over and over and she's swearing on her grandkids like come on one point do you look at the person

on the ground shaking and convulsing and saying this is kind of fucking weird she does this every time someone gets voted out guys it's kind of fucking weird maybe we should look at her after this round table after what's happened this whole episode if she's not voted out next this truly is the worst group of faithfuls

in the history of this show from now until the show's done filming forever it is so obvious at this point I agree I will say it she played a good game this episode it pains me to say but she did she set the pieces in motion she followed through with her plan

and she got people on her side and she got Carolyn out it worked you played the chess game very well this is too obvious after you just had caroline go after gabby has already said that the traders are probably starting to turn in each other at this point she was going after caroline caroline going after her understanding where the game is at this point then watching daniel's reactions to all of these things to me hindsight yes but to me there is too much evidence there and if they do not go after her next game i don't understand what

they're doing. Well, we have to talk about what happens. And obviously, we get back to the turret. After everybody has a little bit of time to decompress, Dylan feels like shit, of course, reasonably so. He's wearing his heart on his sleeve. He's had a tough decision to make, and he made the right decision, but at what cost is sanity. So he's gotten out there. He did make the right decision. He didn't make the right decision because he could have voted. He could have voted for Danielle. And he still would have gotten the same result. But in his mind, he at least got rid of a trader so that's good enough i guess whatever and yeah that's when gabby starts to clock yeah maybe the traders are turning on yeah do you think that's what's going on here

people are going to start talking about it fine daniel knew that she was going to get another opportunity to bring brittney on it's so just it's just so dumb you got to bring somebody on who's just completely on assuming somebody who ever everybody else is just yeah everybody else is clocking these people as definite faithfuls and yes we're going to come back out allan's going to talk about it say that it's not a fucking ultimatum who in their right mind was going to get offered to be a traitor and say no you know what i don't want an opportunity to get to the show and i'll get kicked off the show because i'm such a faithful no it's unless you're like in this weird psychosis where you're like this game's already hard enough as it is i can't be a traitor

at this point i'm going to lose my mind like nobody's going to do it they're going to stay on so she obviously asks brittany which is so just like whatever the even brittney he says it's dumb. She says if she taps me to be a traitor, that would be pretty dumb. Now, look, the only potential saving grace here is if it comes full circle because they already have a history together

where they were betrayed, Britney and Danielle. Was it Danielle that betrayed Britney and stabbed her in the back on Big Brother? Was it the other way around? I wanted to do it again. Do it again. Set Danielle up. Have people come in. Alan can come in, talk about how there's a new trader.

she was tapped somebody was tapped you got to figure out who it was the obvious thing is that it would be daniel and brittany if brittney turns on daniel the instant that she hears her name i'm so back so back that would be fair that's fair because i don't see it panning out the other way because like i said when the episode started even if her plan is to point the finger at brittany and get brittany out now you've had the Carolyn Danielle situation, which is already suss, and now you've got the person that's been closest to Danielle on this show for an extended period of time now, she's a traitor and she's out.

So all roads lead back to one person. And there's already enough there to speculate on that they seem to keep ignoring, which is why I'm giving her credit for playing a decent game as much as it pains me. But again, if you have her behind the scenes swearing on her grandchildren and children's lives, Like, it's a different kind of game, but it sure is. We'll see. Shooter's enjoyment of this show hinges on next week's episode.

Yeah, it sure does. That's pretty heavy. It's some heavy shit. That's some heavy shit. Let's get to some questions. From Michelangelo Archiga, was Carolyn playing a good game because she hadn't had a chance to actually play it? Yeah, I think that's pretty much what we've been saying the whole time.

I think she realized that at some point that it's probably better for her to just continue down this path. But based off of her exit interview, if you will, that was taking a toll on her. She didn't like being a trader. Yeah, I agree with you. From Gwen, AU 95, do you think Gabby or Tom can really figure Daniel out? Tom, no, Gabby, I have a lot of faith in. Yeah, I'm rooting for Gabby and Dylan at this point. Yeah, I think those two.

have a shot unless Dolo surprises us out of nowhere, which I've always had faith in Dolow because of who she is, but I will see. Oh, here you go, some support. Dirks 23 hated this episode. Danielle is so transparent, hope Britney flips on her. Does that make you feel better?

That makes me feel a lot better. I got some support out there. Yeah, I need that. Oh, from Mike Bros. Oh, I got to make an amendment. I got to amend something. When I said that Mike bros message me on steels meals about the steak in tokyo yeah it was another another bro that we like to say his name it was really big deals it was billy big deals so yeah because mike

mike tamed us and like it was a screenshot of steels meals message and it was blank yeah not in tokyo so mike i apologize and billy big deals was the one that i gave the steak advice do so I just wanted to correct that but I'll ask his question from Mike Bros did Danielle calling Carolyn dumb feel too personally motivated yes I don't know why she'd take a shot at her like that especially she's already insecure yeah I was fucking mean we'll do two more you see one in there you like I'm looking a lot of it's just stuff that we've already said where it's Corresponds, Daniel.

Who would you ever accrued this late in the game? Again, I think somebody unassuming. You go Ivor, Dolores, somebody who everybody is pegged as a full-on faithful that wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah, I agree with that. And then at the worst, they're a pawn. You just do whatever you want, especially if you're Danielle and you've wanted power this whole time. You're so excited to get rid of Boston Rob after Bob the Drag Queen was out. You've wanted power the whole time.

You finally got it. You're going to bring on somebody who you have a history with and Brittany, who everybody's already kind of like, looking at you and her together bring on somebody on assuming who's not going to question anything just leave them there and then you can give her at the end maybe she really is blinded by friendship that's going to be her downfall in this game blinded by friendship everyone's favorite uh last one i like this one because i can say this now alexlex wow no god you can't wow not the name question jesus christ Wait till I read it. It's even worse. Alex Nicole 32. Oh my God. I've been pretty good at names recently too.

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