Bros & Shows - Love Island: Bad Cast, Bad Production or Just a Bad Season? (L.I. ep 31+32 Full recap)

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Whats up Bros? In this episode we recap the baby challenge and then the recoupling that kicked the most real couple in the Villa. While this season has still been enjoyable, a lot of the issues arising bring up a lot of questions. Who is to blame for the strange turn this season has taken? You can obviously point to numerous mistakes by the cast, but a lot of the production choices are strange as well. We've enjoyed recapping this season immensely, dont get us wrong. But we have a lot of questions. Now in the final days of the Villa, we are left with multiple couples that we are not that invested in. Now if Amaya Papaya wins outright? We are fully on board. But we still have a couple questions about Bryan, and the other couples are sorta meh. Pepiris is intriguing but doesn't seem like that deep of a connection. Chelly and Ace have a lot of questions surrounding them and now with the Huda and Chris drama it's hard to know where they stand with the audience as a whole. This will be an interesting season as far as its impact on future seasons. We are enjoying it, but who is to blame for the different vibe this season? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Not soon enough. Look. It's over. No, it's... I'm going to get into, and I'll be brutally honest with it, but, like, I don't want to take the route of one week left, and now I was just shit on it. I'm going to try to find the happy stuff,

try to focus on important moments, and also where they could have done a better job. So you can take the high road. It leaves a lot of room for me on the low road. Yeah, that's where you live, so buckle up. Those and shows, pros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Brows and shows.

Those and shows. I got to have me my bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always, and not for much longer, Villa Goots. Welcome back. Yeah, a couple more instances of Villa Goots.

Three more? Four maybe? One more this week. Doing it, we'll have one more, no, this is the second one of the week. We'll only have two more Villa Goots after this. Yeah, there you go. Reunion Villa Goots. Hopefully we'll.

Reuny Goots. Reuny, everybody's favorite. Yeah, only a week left. It feels like we've accomplished nothing. I know. It feels like they took a big step backwards. I don't know. Obviously, we play the producer game a lot when it comes to Bravo shows.

I'm not even blaming the producers anymore. I just don't know if it's America. Like, if that was the actual vote, dude, that's the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Like, I share your sentiment here as far as, like, it took such a weird left turn. in these last couple of weeks. I know it was rocky throughout the whole season, but the decisions that they made

to send home who they did, I won't spoil it yet. I want to get yelled at in the comments, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me and you look around at the villa who is remaining now and it's like, meh, you know, there's two couples that I'm like,

all right, fuck yeah, and then the rest, I'm like, I don't really care. I don't even say fuck yeah about any of them, really. It's, I'm still, jury's still out on Amaya and Brian for me? Really?

Everybody else? I don't know. I think he might be, be playing it up a little bit? I don't think he's necessarily playing it up a little bit. It's just hard to gauge with somebody like a Maya and I love a Maya, but I've thought to myself a bunch of times, I love her watching her on TV. I think if I was in the villa, I'd be slightly annoyed by her.

I know you would. There's a lot going on. You would definitely be annoyed by her. But from afar, absolutely love her. Couldn't do more for her. But I just something, I'm not really sure if it's Maya or Brian, if the chemistry's there. and it's just so soon that it's like, yeah, you're probably my favorite. Sure.

But that's not really enough for me to be like, absolutely, I'm going to have to. I mean, I will probably end voting them to win just because I don't really want anybody else to win at this point. I could go for papyrus. Papyrus I'm on. I like them a lot. Papyrus has a different take. I think you see romanticism. They just seem so stable.

They seem, but that's what we're doing now, a stability. Right. But that's where we're at. Would you want Shelley and Ace? No. person hootah absolutely not everybody is just kind of forgotten

and i will never forget that shelly and ace were probably dating outside the villa like it's just they're cheating we say it all the time we say it all the time and it's i think the reason that i'm like it's this isn't ending soon enough for me is because i'm getting exhausted reading the comments because they do not make sense and i understand on shows like this you're going to pick your favorites it doesn't matter who the couple is

it doesn't matter what they've gone through it doesn't matter all the trial and error that we've seen clearly with Clark and Taylor, they went through it the most, and they don't get the love. Right. They were a genuine connection. Yeah, we're talking about doing things outside theville, talking about a wedding in this episode.

That was crazy. That was insane. Closing off this episode, that's not really a spoiler. And it's still like, okay, that's not enough. It just, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And I think that the reason is,

they're giving too much power to the people. Yeah. Now, I don't even think it's America's fault, really. It's just, they voted. That's why I think it's the, I think this is a cast problem. do think that they fucked up the cast.

I think it's a 100% of cast problem. And obviously, you know, you've got people out here saying slurs and being fucking terrible. And then it comes back to bite them in the ass and they get yanked out of the villa. The producers, yeah, they should have been able to see things like that. We talked about it before. But when it comes down to it, these couples, the people that are voting for these couples, Shelly and Ace have been there. They've been strong since number one.

First episode. They showed interest. They're still going strong. They're doing cute smores dates. Okay, I get it. Have they had any trial and error? not really Chris wasn't really he was a blip on the radar no but I don't even think when you go back to the Chris thing I don't even think that was a Chris trial and error thing that was more he was a part of it yeah but it really had nothing to do with him I feel like Shelley and Ace were headed towards a roadblock at some point and that's kind of just so happened to be in the form of Chris just seems inauthentic because we're being told by Shelley and Ace Ace probably would close off

Shelly was the one who wanted to explore And she keeps telling us that she wants to explore But we're not seeing her do anything with Chris So like why even keep it open Why haven't they closed off yet? I don't know And she puts the emphasis on like Chris not making the effort

We already talked about that obviously I don't know and that's I think it all goes back to You called it before we even really got into it It was like the first or second week of the season Alluding to the fact that a lot of these people are influencer wannabes that they want to take this platform and have it catapult them into stardom and social media.

And I understand that being a byproduct of the show. And I think that last season, that happened authentically. Yeah. Because a lot of those people from that, like I even knew about the snake trainer guy. Yeah. I didn't watch anything. He just did like an MTV Cribs thing that I saw on TikTok. He still lives in like a double wide trailer down in Alabama.

What's wrong with that? Nothing, but that's not a micro-influencer. He can still go do things, but he was wrangling snakes. That's pretty authentic. No, I agree. To be an influencer and do something that's authentic. What they did was they brought in these influencers who just want to be famous. Yes.

They don't really have any character to them. You can like certain people. There's certain times that, you know. The people that had the character are no longer on the show. Just completely gone. Somebody like Jeremiah, who, you know, we'll get into a little bit more when we go through the hood of Chris stuff. Give him another chance. Bring him back somehow.

Bring him back next year. That's what I mean, yeah. Yeah, a bombshell next year would be awesome. But I don't even know if he wants to come back. It was such a shitty experience for him. Whatever, he's got a million followers. He's going to be fine. He's got his book clubs, which just seems so great.

He's just such like a hot nerd. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. Yeah, he's a hot nerd. So, like, this is an easy show. We do go through a lot of shows where we just genuinely don't know how to fix it. That's the fix. That's simple.

Stop with the micro-influencers. Stop with the people going to Coachella. And I think that the other parts are like the votes. I like the fact that America can get involved The timing of the votes this season was dumb Because we had the one on the heels of the Taylor-A-Landria thing But we didn't have enough time to watch it shake out Because I think that if you did

The votes would have been a lot different Especially watching Taylor and Clark the last two or three episodes It's like, all right, we're going to kick these guys off the show For what? For Taylor playing the game the right way Just because he broke up with somebody that we all liked Now we're like, oh fuck this guy get him off the show But his explanation of it was flawless. He stumped Elandria.

I think the votes should have been, and this is in hindsight, but I think I may have even said it on Sunday night, like just kind of going through it. They need to stop doing the, who's your favorite couple in the house? Yeah, I agreed. If you're going to give us homework on one of these days and make us vote for the least to not, or, you know, the most to least, genuine person in the house. And we have to painstakingly go through every girl in the house and every guy in the house for a vote that doesn't matter because you're just popping balloons. why not do that for a thing that does matter? Because then the byproduct wouldn't be, oh, shit. Did we all vote for Amaya and Brian?

Did we all vote for Shelley and Ace? Are we going to lose somebody that genuinely has a connection because we just don't really care for them that much? We voted on an irrelevant topic. Yeah. And you know what? The result probably still would have been the same just because there's so many people.

Like, I live in the comments now. I'm not commenting. I really want to on my personal accounts. I would never put ourselves as well. it would still put us a jeopardy. But I really want to comment and be like, you're a fucking moron. Do it.

You're just a moron. The Nicholandria people are idiots. That's crazy. That's crazy. There's no chemistry there. And then they told us that there was no chemistry there. And people were like, round two, let's go. They're ready to go. Did you see the necklaces?

Alanjari had a double heart necklace. Now, they're playing the game. They want votes. They want to win. And then maybe they'll share it together. Unless we get some big heart-stopping moment at the end where a mom, I and Brian win, and Amaya just gets to take all the 100K because she's like, you know what, this doesn't feel like?

It's 100K. It's 100K that they're playing for. Yeah. I mean, I would wear a heart necklace and fake it for 100K. Yeah. Well, 50K if you split it. No, I understand. You choose to stay.

Thank you. They might throw another nuance in there where, like, if you choose to do it and you open up like a deal or no deal briefcase and there's nothing in there, like you suck. The other person wins. It's dealer don't, like deal or no deal island, which is a show. Which is a show. I don't know what it's about.

It's an easy fix, honestly, and I'm just at a point now where I'm just exhausted because it's no longer Love Island. Yeah, and it's hard to, since we have to keep track of it every single night, obviously when it starts to get a little bit dragging, it's harder to be excited for it. I think, and we talked about this last episode, but I think a big part of it comes down to

they had really good things last season. Like the top to bottom, from what I've heard, that was like the show stuff. stopper of a season. They had good things this season. There were good parts. They need to take the model from last season, use some of this season, and then cast a bunch of no-name random hot people.

And I think you're okay. Yeah. Although also, by the way, we're probably not getting a movie night. We're definitely not getting a tweet night. No, no way. With like six people, eight people. We're just moving away from the mainstays of this show because the producers don't know what to do.

I think they're also, to their credit, or not credit, but to give them a little sympathy, they're probably trying to scramble because now you got Sierra kicked, so rightfully so, don't get it wrong, but the movie night's not going to hit because movie night, we were all looking forward to the Alandria Nick kiss

and Sierra's reaction to it. But even going back further, we were looking forward to maybe a little bit of an earlier movie night, put it in the middle of the season, then you've got Jeremiah and Huda. If we allowed Jeremiah, and I think that they should have seen this coming, the seconds that they gave the Islander's power,

which they do every season. I'm not going to, like, knock that. But you give the Islander's power to save someone, and they make the wrong choice. Yeah. They make the choice for the safe couple, or they start spewing that bullshit about not finding a real connection

and not playing the game when none of them have. Yeah, I know. The producers do need to step in and be like, all right, we're going to put it up to America. Thank you. Yeah. This isn't going to work. You guys are just saving your friends

who aren't doing the same thing that you're doing and knocking somebody who's actually doing what you want them to do. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So they should have taken that power away right away. And we might still have Jeremiah in the villa. He might be with Andrina. There could have been another bombshell. I'm surprised we haven't gotten bombshells since Casa Moore. I think that makes no sense. That's crazy. I think the other part like you just said, like every decision has a trickle effect. Yeah. So by getting rid of Jeremiah, you inadvertently probably got rid of

Andrena down the road. All of these things have ramifications down the line. And the show got completely thrown off the rails by allowing the islanders to vote in moments where it was like, Like, all right, but this is biased. This isn't what's best for the show. If you give it to the audience, hey, and make them sit on it overnight, be like, okay, these two are going to get voted out. America, you get to save one and have them vote overnight and then save that person in the morning. Yeah.

Like, it just, from a audience perspective of a show that is 100% audience focused and you want us to interact and you want us to stay on board for fucking 37 episodes straight, you have to let us make the right decision because if you're, leave it up to these idiots, they're going to kick off the person that they're either threatened by, that rubbed them the wrong way. And that's exactly what we saw in Jeremiah. We saw him get kicked off from jealousy, but we all wanted him on the show. And that, in turn, caused so many different things to happen throughout the season. And now we're here looking at this final eight. And it's like, meh. Yeah. No, honestly, I mean, think about who the Islanders have voted off.

We had an, oh, shit moment because we ended up getting rid of Charlie and we didn't mean to. Yeah, I know. We were so focused on. breaking up Jeremiah and Huda, that we actually broke up a couple that was starting to blossom. Who I liked. I liked that. Then at least all of us were like, all right. Yeah, we got to think about this next thing. We got to, you know, don't do the funny thing all the time.

Start thinking about what we actually want to see. Correct. Fine. Good. We can move on collectively as a nation or, you know, as an audience, I guess. And then the next thing that steps up is an oh shit moment for the people sending Hannah home. Yeah. Then Hannah goes home and the islanders are like, yeah.

We have to get rid of Hannah because, you know, she's already, she's blessed. She's already found a couple of connections. It's like, what does that mean? It means nothing. It means absolutely nothing. So then the producers have to step in and be like, all right, you guys are idiots. Yeah. Can't do this anymore.

Give it back to America. If America fucks up again, then find out different games. They probably will. Like, yeah, and we will. Let's just start, like, raining it in, like trial and error. Let's just see what works and try to go from there. Instead, it was just, what, three straight votes where the islanders got to save or kick somebody? And they made the wrong decision every time.

And we're all pissed about it. about it. And now we're left with this. Yeah, exactly. Where there is no real connection left in the game. The best thing you said is the trial and error thing. It feels to me, and again, newcomer, but it feels to me like this whole

season was full of trial and error. Yeah. Like they're trying different things. Producers, yeah. Yeah, exactly. The producers are trying to It's supposed to be trial and error for relationships. Yeah, not for like trying things. I'm all for if you want to throw one new wrinkle in there and be like, oh, could this be fun? But when you change the format

of a beloved show, people are going to be pissed off, even if it's a good moment. People are going to be livid and they're going to talk about it until next season that there was no tweet night and no movie night. That's just how it goes. So don't change the fabric of what makes the show good. And don't do a whole season

of trial runs of, maybe this will work, maybe that'll work. We're doing so well that there's nothing we can do they won't like. That's the vibe I got. Last season was such a big, big hit that they thought now... It should have changed anything. I agree, but it feels like the producers were leaning on last year was so

massive that we can do whatever we want and everyone's going to love it. So let's do some wacky shit. Let's do some dumb votes. And there's no way people are going to get pissed off. And now we're left with this final eight. And I think that everybody watching, other than the random Nickelandria people and the even more random Shelley and Ace people are scratching their heads going, this is so anticlimactic. Yeah. Now it's truly just, and it's already turned into a popularity contest with these votes. You don't really care about their connections. Stop lying to yourself i care i don't there are connections out there who yeah yeah there were connections throughout the show that you really cared about no i mean i can see that remaining i still and it's not care i'm

i like papyrus as i've said and i'm with you as far as like i'm curious about brian and amaya but my curiosity couple should be four weeks ago absolutely not now yeah it shouldn't be now and the other part of it is the trial and error when you like refer back to last season there were so many times where people who almost won were in different couples than they started off with, or ended up with somebody else that you didn't see coming. There were twists and turns just based off of human error. Sure. And the whole thing that really goes back to it is, what the fuck were they doing with Casa Amor? Kasa Amor, they immediately say, everybody's coming back to the villa. You're all going to couple up. And then we're going to recouple right afterwards. It's so

convoluted and insane that everybody just immediately goes, okay, well, like, I'm going to go back to the villa, obviously, let me just latch onto this guy, see what happens. And if it doesn't work, which none of them really worked, I'm going to go back to my safe choice, which is what everybody ended up doing. So that was so dumb, you should have had the same thing because last year it was decide. Do you want to couple up with one of the boys from the villa? Or do you want to stand there alone, potentially be vulnerable? And if your guy who you were coupled up with comes back with a girl, you're a single. That sounds so much more exciting. There's so much more drama in that. there's so much more decision-making

that needs to be played and when there's idiots that are on the island which most of them are morons they're going to panic and they're going to couple up and it's going to create chaos. Most of the dudes last year came back with a couple

even though they were completely solid in their own couples and it threw everybody through a loop just fucking morons every single girl I think except for one last year decided to stay there single so now you've got five of the OGs single

and it was chaos and that's going to happen when you leave a decision up to a dumb man. Yeah. Instead, they're like, everybody couples up, everybody's safe until tomorrow night, and then you just go back to your normal couple.

It was just so dumb. They've done so many dumb things. But again, I'm going to play the percentages like Nick. Sure. This is 75% a cast issue, 25% producers. I'll go 6040. Yeah. 6040 cast to production.

Because I think production started to scramble and panic and be like, oh, shit, how are we going to reel this one? And we've lost two of our castmates to racism. And the rest is, just a convoluted mess, as you've said. But let's dive in. Not that we're not talking about these episodes, but we'll jump around with these two because they're kind of random.

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if you say that you're watching that you're lying to yourself um so it was just fun it was just fun to watch everybody interact go through something crazy and random I thought that everybody was funny in this episode except for one couple which Huda took it fucking, I don't, I've got no excuses for Huda anymore. I'm done with her. Here's the thing. Let's get this part out of the way. I can respect and understand that you haven't seen your child in a long time, and you probably feel a certain way about that every single day.

And by having this baby challenge, maybe it triggered some things that you were really thinking about your kids, so you reacted differently, all of those things. I can understand how that would put you in a weird place, okay? I think it's a two-part thing. That's where I'm not going to be like, all right, you're Scott-free because I don't think that she's got free by any means. It got so extra where it's like,

all right, dude, I get that you miss your kid, but for you to act like this to other people and to Chris specifically is nuts. And, I mean, it all culminates in that moment where the dudes are racing around with the babies and Hood has been kind of weird all day.

And all right, I can actually understand her getting a little pissed off about getting skipped over in the yoga thing where Chris just like completely dogs are by I do believe by accident yeah I could see that rubbing her the wrong way but it seemed like that was the first thing and watching her demeanor throughout that thing was kind of strange and then afterwards she's like can you put my mat away and he's like yeah no problem yeah it's the mat away when they sit down to talk about this whole thing I don't appreciate how she talked to him I thought Chris handled himself extremely well but the way that she's talking to him,

she's very patronizing and condescending to him. Like, pretty much saying you could end any one of her sentences and add dumbass to it and it would still flow. It would absolutely flow. That was kind of the vibe I got. And like, for example, when he's putting the shirt on her and she's like, you know, like you're tearing the shirt off. She's screaming at him as though this is an actual baby.

This is a doll. Okay, it's a doll. I don't like that color. Yes, I don't like that color. Shut up. And he said that in jest. He said it. in Jess, too. And she's like, don't tell me to shut up. And this is the moment I was like,

woof, you got to run, Chris, because she's like, don't tell me to shut up. And he's like, sorry. And she goes, mm-hmm. Like, that's right. It's like, oh, I don't like, I don't like this. And this is also going back to Jeremiah and Jeremiah saying, you treat me like a child. It's like, that's what she does to dudes. And that is not fun. It's not fun to watch either. Like, I felt icky and I felt like awkward for Chris. And even in that moment when Chris is sitting down when they're like trying to figure it out, like he's really good at asking. the right questions of like, why did this make you feel that way? I can understand that.

Like, okay. And not completely going, I agree with you. Everything's all right, whatever. He just kind of placates and then he goes talk to his boys about it to figure out what the fuck to do about it. But the way that she talks to him is absolutely not okay. Yeah. It's not okay. And I'm giving her no excuses.

I just think this is who she is. I think J.D. was actually right. Well, what if I, what if I meet you halfway? What if? You can meet me wherever you want. That was triggering. I'm not moving. That was triggering because I can see where that would upset her.

But by getting triggered, it caused the real huda to come out. Possibly. I'm not going to use the word trigger. I'm going to say she has gone from, I'm going to hide from everybody that I'm a mom to now I'm going to hold it over everybody's heads in a challenge. I'm the only one who's a mom here. I'm the only one who's ever done this. You guys don't even know what you're doing. Chris, you don't know what you're doing either.

Let me take over. super condescending, by the way, and she's not going to want to hear this, it's a challenge. Yes. There are no repercussions. There's no real babies here. So you're okay to throw your ass and ace's face and say it's a challenge. But if they're going to race around with the babies and put a t-shirt on a plastic baby, now all of a sudden it's not a challenge.

This is real. This is life or death. The second that we found out that they had sex when Chris sat down, I think he was talking to. Yeah, he was talking to Brian. He said, I fold. Brian about it, yeah. Once that happened, it's like, she's going to start changing a little bit. And she did.

That's what she did to Jeremiah. We didn't really know it at the time. We thought it was both of them. Jeremiah gets out of the villa and we realized what kind of person he is. And we're like, okay. Delightful nerd. Toxic individual. Delightful man.

I'm not, you know, taking the guy's side because I'm a guy. We're just calling it how we see it. You're seeing it happen again. Oh, we're still going to get shit for it. Don't worry. Absolutely. But now what we're seeing is, and she said this a lot, I've grown a lot. in the villa. You're not growing in a good way. You're learning from your mistakes,

but you're still doing the same thing. You're just being smarter about it. You're not being outwardly mean to him to everybody. It kind of showed a little bit in the baby challenge, but you're still shutting him down. You're still doing all the same things that you did Jeremiah, except you're not ending it with the crazy, now let me have a kiss. Yes. Hold me like you used to hold me. You're taking those things away from us. All of those little moments that were insane that Jeremiah fell for because he's like, what am I supposed to do? That's love bombing. That's how it works.

But now we've got Chris doing all the right things and saying all the right things. And she's still taking every opportunity to cut him off, tell him he's wrong. And he's just trying to get through to her and express his own feelings. But his feelings don't matter to her. She's an asshole. That's what we've got here. I'm not like. No, I meant, yeah, no.

Yeah. In general, I just get tired of people. You don't know what she's going through. It's like, I do. Well, the other part. She left her kid at home and went to Love Island. Like, fuck off. I know what she's going through.

what do you mean that's the other part of her people get like upset it's like she left her kid so she wasn't like gathered somewhere and like here you go we're going to love island you don't have any time to go do anything chose to do she chose to do it she interviewed she applied she interviewed she met up with other people she got all of her socials ready she's got somebody running like she took every step necessary to get famous that's what she wants yep that's what everybody wants on this show but she already has a kid so you are knowingly leaving your child for six weeks, and you want sympathy. I don't get it.

I don't understand it. And that's the thing. And, like, rest assured, we're going to get a lot of shit for that one and whatever. I don't care. Because everything you said is a valid statement. Yeah. Those are all valid points. And obviously, you guys know, I'm usually a little more sympathetic.

And I, like I said, I understand how that could be a triggering moment with all that shit, especially when she's, like, folding clothes. I was like, wow, she's completely lost her shit. but that's not an excuse for treating people like shit and we're watching it just kind of happen in a different way but similar thing because that is usually highlighted by the push pull thing like you push people away you're rude to them and then you turn on the sympathy and like oh no it's okay and you pull them back in push pull push pull we saw that with jeremiah we saw that literally in certain moments where she would like ream out and be like now hold me like

you used to hold me and then she would like kiss him and make it sexual then with chris she's not doing the sexual side of things in public. But as soon as they get to the bedroom, it's like, now I'm going to take care of you. That's a weird setup, a weird dynamic to have. And I'm shocked and proud of Chris for calling it out. He's like, when I asked you to kiss me in

public, you looked around. Yeah. And like, that's a big thing for him. He's a very emotional, sentimental guy. Yeah, he definitely is. Yeah. But watching that. He's at the very least aware of himself being on camera. Yes. We don't know him personally. No. There are obviously people that can turn it on and turn it off on

camera. I hope this is how he is. I don't know for sure. I haven't seen a misstep. I'm very aware of guys like that. Like, we've seen so many shows. We also had him sitting down with Pepe just kind of talking through the whole thing or Brian talking through the whole thing afterwards. And he's still got the same sentiment. And even with the Amaya conversation, which Amaya rocks. Maya is awesome. Absolutely rocks. She is what everybody in that villa thinks a girl's girl is, they're not. Amaya is. Yes. That's where we are. So like. Amaya is a girl's girl and a guy's girl. She's just a good person. She's just a good person. She's just a great person, and that's why I want to vote for her.

That's where we are. But with Huda, we watched her do all of that to Jeremiah, and it got to a point where we didn't really want to watch it anymore. No. It got incredibly uncomfortable. This with Chris happened in a span of two days, two or three days, between when they actually started, you know, just kind of completely coupling up with each other after the stand-all business challenge to now where we are.

It accelerated. she's doing it differently, but she's doing the same thing. The Islanders and the producers are at fault. I agree. The Islanders could have sent her home. You watched her do that with Jeremiah, and you said, we don't want to watch Jeremiah go lovebama girl again. You should have sent her to home.

That's insane. Yeah, especially because we had the first time was the right decision. We needed to see the backlash of the Jeremiah's shit. When you have another opportunity within 48 hours, that was the right time to let her go. And again, then we have a much different situation. Then we have a different show. Nick's the only one who's clocked it.

He's saving face by talking to her and being nice to her, but every time that he gets a chance to vote her out, he tries and tells her again. I'm still over here. I want you out. And I think that that would have made the show a lot different. And, you know, the conversation that Amaya has with both of them, like Chris is valid in his feeling, she says.

Then when she's talking to Huda, and I was trying to see it from her. perspective where it's like, you know, I'm trying to do this differently. That did with Jeremiah. And for a second, I'm like, okay, that makes a lot of sense to me because she has a little bit of a bad feeling from before when she would do PDA and people got upset with her. And Jeremiah was too much. It's too annoying. But when Chris brings up the fact, he's like, you're fine with it in bed. He's like, yeah, that's like a private moment. It's like, no, it's not. Not. It's actually worse. It's quiet. And there's people literally surrounding you. So it's no different than to me, that just

seems like you don't want to show affection in public. I'm with Chris where it's like, are you embarrassed? Like, what's the problem here? That should have been when Chris said, are you embarrassed? That should have been a wake-up call for Huda. Because it wasn't a wake-up call and she continued to just cut him off every time that he started speaking, you can tell what kind of person she is. And you also see him, like, slowly coming to terms where he's still trying to be. He's like, I'm not going to get through to her.

She's not listening to me. She's only being defensive. Amaya's standpoint is, you know, what does she do? She shut down and she got defensive. that could just be a result of other things that have happened to her. And of course, you know, that's the right approach to look at when you're there and trying to diffuse. But when

you're watching them actually talk, she is not shocked at all when he says, are you embarrassed? Like, she should have like an internal feeling of like, fuck, like, am I doing that? And she goes to her confessional, and she's like, am I going to fuck this up? Yes, you already did. She goes to Amaya and she's like, well, I just don't want to be the one to fuck it up.

You already did. There's nothing you can do now. You've already done it by being you. And you, like I said, you see inklings of him trying to like turn it in a different direction where you know he says like the throw up in my mouth thing which was disgusting yeah then she's like oh don't say that shit blah blah blah blah his reaction i'm like ooh it's getting tough because he's like don't tell me what to say and she like she's like i just did but that was really funny he's like no seriously like don't do that anymore yeah like he's trying to lay boundaries he's trying to do and if you go back and

watch what happened with jeremiah similar things happened it is Chris's fault too because he did get intimate with her does take two to that absolutely 100% so he knows that and just kind of based off of his conversations with her I think he knows that deep down I think he understands that and I think he's also probably kicking himself in the ass because those casa boys watched the show they knew what was going on he still got into it with hooda and everything seemed fine record they seemed really cute we've said they've been cute as shit for a while yeah it took us actually a couple of episodes to even come around with the idea of giving hooda a pass and saying, all right, clean slate, let's see how we're into it.

And right when we get to that point, right after the stand-all business challenge, then she goes overboard. It was these last two episodes, honestly. That's where it took this massive shift. But on a happier note, and then a sad note, because fuck everyone that voted this one. Yeah, let's get to the happy note. Clark and Taylor's picnic was adorable. It was adorable.

And I, everyone knows, Taylor Andrea for life. I can finally put that to bed simply because Taylor left the villa. so I can stop with that bit. But I started to be big on Clark and Taylor even back before. Like I was still doing the Taylor Andrea's shit, but like it made more sense to me. And I also, when he spoke up, I thought it should have been so cut and dry for people watching as well when he shut down Elandria in that stand-on business thing. Because he literally explains I'm doing what this show is for. But the reason that it's a problem with every.

watching with the people in the villa is because the precedent was set by the OGs in this group that we're going to couple up early. We're not going to branch out. It's ride or die with your first couple. And that's how it's going to be. And because of that, he got vilified for making a decision that was better for himself. And if you watch Clark and Taylor and anybody out there says Alanger is a better fit for Taylor, you're just lying to yourself and everybody you're talking to because you can see the chemistry with those two. Taylor is genuinely a lot of. a different person when he's with her like he's more he's more talkative he's bubbly he barely touched a lander he's all over clark clark seems to understand taylor really well they're able to have

conversations about after the villa and it's not just like i'll go wherever you want me to baby it's like here's my life can you fit into that life she's like oof i mean yeah i think i can make it work but like they're actually having conversations about the future how the long distance is going to work the country life versus where she lives like all of those things go to show you that that was like quintessential what we're looking for in this fucking show. But because of how this show was set up this season, they got thrown to the bottom of the list simply because people liked Alandria more. And I love Alandria.

Don't get me wrong. Taylor got shafted and Clark shafted by proxy for being with Taylor just because of the dynamics that this show had this season. And that's horseshit. I think it's important to note what you said in the beginning of that is. the OGs set a precedent. Yes. They said, let's couple up, no matter what, we'll stay together.

Why? Because you had like four extra days in the villa together. Maybe they could have a hundred grand. Yeah, and I get it. And I think Jenae actually said from last season in an interview recently that she would never be a CASA girl. She would never be, you know, maybe a bombshell. Because if you're an OG, it means that you're going to be able to be tested the most

and you're going to figure it out and you're going to go through a lot of shit. But if you're a CASA girl, you have to come in, you have to steal somebody. So, like, that precedent's already set through Love Island. But this cast in particular decided we're not going to let anybody come in between us. When you go back and look at Taylor and Elandria, I think, yeah, he obviously could have spoken up a lot more. Sure. But who was he going to couple up with? He wasn't going to stay on the show.

Like, do you want him to immediately just, like, leave himself vulnerable? Because Elandria's going to be fine. She'll couple up with somebody else. They'll do the same thing. It could be a friend like Nick is. It could just be another person that she finds somewhat interesting. thing. She'll get enough votes that I'll carry her through. Taylor really wouldn't. So if he were to just set those boundaries early with Alandria and say, I'm not really feeling

you. And I think that's a big thing. I want you to keep going. I just think that's a major point to point to point out is I'm not saying that Taylor handled it well. Like he handled the Langer thing like absolute dog shit. So that's on him. I don't even think it was dog shit. That's actually where I was going with it is that I don't think it was full dog shit. I think he could have spoken up more sure. That's what I mean. Could have communicated more sure. But, To be fair, what I remember from that and from the stand-on business thing, yeah, Alandre had to get that off her chest because that's how she felt, and that's what she felt like she was going for.

Watching it, she looked embarrassing. She looked downright embarrassing. He was never interested in her, and the flip, as soon as you see him with Clark, doing things that you guys never did, should, yeah, it'll piss you off and you want to get it off your chest, fine. But maybe you look a little inward and say, shit, he was never like that with me. Maybe he never liked me. Have those conversations with Shelly.

Have those conversations with Sierra before she gets kicked out for being racist. Do that. Do those due diligence things. And then kind of come to a conclusion. Instead, it was, fuck him. He played me. It's like, you guys all kind of played yourselves. I, I don't know.

I still think that he didn't handle it. He had a lot of opportunities. I think she was incredibly into him. I don't think that was, like, Elandria at least, was part of Friend Villa. but Friends Villa has been going on for so long. I agree for the majority, but I do think that he had so many opportunities to make it much more clear about how he felt,

even in the aftermath where he was like, I'm going to explore both of you. Like, he's a fault there because, like, you never had an intention of exploring a Landrieu. Once he saw Clark and once he felt that connection, he should have made it clear. That's my point.

That would have saved the bed. He'd still be gone. He would. He had no chance. There was no chance. Once that happened, you're gone. There's nothing you can. do. And the biggest tell-tale sign of all is that Clark gets voted the least genuine.

That's such bullshit. What did she do? Literally nothing. Literally nothing. She made a connection. They have a genuine connection. The only real genuine connection in the entire house at the moment. And she's the least genuine because she made a connection. Like, that's where America fucks up to. The whole thing is just completely screwed because of, again, who you had in the villa to start off with, all of these people that just decided, we're going to group up together. Nothing's going to come between us. and then Casa is stupidly designed, so that doesn't work out. They had so many duds in Casa.

They usually do have a lot of duds for Casa. I'm okay with a couple of duds, but the only two that are, and case in point, they're the only two still there were Brian and Chris. None of the other guys were interesting. Alon was fucking watching paint dry and had never one connection in the villa. Zach is the next one that you're going to go. But, well, Zach with the C, we don't even remember. Zach with a C is embarrassingly bad.

Zach with a K was manipulative and a easel just trying to stay on the show. He was on a TikTok live talking about somebody had asked, you know, what did the villa know about Sierra? Because it's a lot different than the Ulysset thing. They were there for one night, maybe two nights. She was there two nights. I think they showed up the first night, stayed over, and then that next day she was there all day and then she was gone the next morning.

She got the boot mid episode because, again, like you could see her, if I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure that it was a similar Sierra situation where if you watched the beginning of the episode, you can see her in the background. I think of Yalissa, the only person I can think of that would have been there that could have spoken on what everybody knew about Yolissa was Beldasha, and I don't think anybody ever asked her. At least I never saw a clip from it. But Zach goes, fucking, he's an idiot, starts off by saying he can't speak much.

on it and then proceeds to speak on it. He's that guy. He is that guy. So he says that they were all grouped up. Sierra was taken away by a producer and then sent home, told what happened. She was completely apologetic at first, trying to plead her

case, saying, you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever the fuck she wants to say. And they were like, we can't do anything about this. We have to send you home. They group up the rest of the villa and tell them she had to go home, not for personal reasons, but because she didn't abide by the guidelines and the policies put in place

for something that she had said before joining the show that has come to light. So they knew kind of what was going on and I wonder if they had context clues from Yulissa that they're like, oh, fuck, what did she say? So that's why we get like the little clips and obviously Nick can't really talk about it. So you had said the other day, you're like,

I wonder if they can't say her name. I don't know if they can't or can't, but Nick wasn't able to speak on it because he didn't know what she said. Then it's a matter of, fuck, I'm going to be sitting here for a day or two talking about Sierra back and forth, and then I'm going to get lumped into this. Yeah.

So that's why he moved on so quickly, and that's why the Elandre thing pops up, because he can move on so quickly and just doesn't have to think about it anymore. But Zach was like Nick was distraught because he didn't know what to say, and he couldn't say anything because he doesn't want to be lumped into it. Right. Like, all right, well, that makes sense. I like getting that confirmation. I do, too.

Those are the things I want to know. And another thing to point out, and I rebound it four times to make sure that I saw it correctly. I don't know what he's referencing. I don't know if he said Sierra's name. I don't know what the fuck happened. But if you watch Chris and Huda, and it's the conversation where, which one was it?

I think it's the throw-up in my mouth conversation. As he's getting up, the audio goes down and is silent. The microphones, and he can see his mouth moving. And there's no sound. And then it comes back up. You kind of see like the narrator starts to talk or something. It was weird.

I noticed it too. So I was like, what did he just say? What did we just miss? What are we not privy to in that moment? because something happened. It's like three seconds. He's like, I wish it was me instead of Sierra. I don't know.

Or like this is turning into Sierra. Like, I don't know what was said, but something was said that they muted and did not allow to air. Interesting. I don't know what it was. Who knows exactly what it was. There's all these different weird guidelines that they have to abide by in the villa. Yeah. But yeah, that is incredibly interesting.

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because if there are two or three favorite couples, the other couples just aren't going to get votes. so I'm actually surprised and I saw a lot of comments which made me a little happy at the time for Iris and Pepe because I know again you think that there is there's something there and they seem chill

and there's what it is I think that what they have is seems the most genuine of two people that just met in real life and they're like ooh this could be fun this could be something and you're seeing that's exactly what it is which is like okay

that's fine by me again I'm still and I'll die on this hill I'm still just skeptical of Shelley and Ace there's just too much evidence of them knowing each other and talking and doing all of this that it just seems like scammers. That's really all it is. I'm not buying any stock in Nicolandria.

They're just going to ride till the end because there's people online. There's even people online that have defected. Because early in the season, it's like, ooh, there's something here. We were even part of it. Like there could be something there. Maybe it'll do this.

Maybe it'll do that. You gave it to us. They told each other point blank. We don't really want to do this. Three days later. Three days later, it's we're supposed to take this seriously? Exactly.

It doesn't make any sense. They should not get any votes. And if you're going to vote for them, then I don't think you're allowed to watch next season. You're part of the problem. You're part of why this season sucks if you're voting that way. And when they come to the votes, this is just turned into a how can you fix the show show. I know. But when it comes to the votes, ask more specific things and like make it broader ranging as far as how many questions you ask.

What couple seems like they would be the most successful on the outside? which couple and then take those and apply those in whatever way you're doing it to figure out who's going home

but it can't like you said who's your favorite couple is such a dumb way to do this because then it also gives the producers

a lot of leeway yeah yeah we've seen a couple of different times and some of them you know there's people putting out altered screenshots but it's just

fucking annoying it's just click bait all of the like the stats and everything because you get the stats at some point the Love Island app will give you the stats

of who was voting for what there's a couple of fake ones where it's like how did this happened and it's like well that's not real I saw the real one it's completely different this one was a little odd and they were always word it differently where they're like who's going to leave the villain next in no specific order and then it gives you like higher percentages for higher likelihood that they're going to leave and blah blah blah blah so it just

doesn't make any sense the only two couples that I feel like and you can throw you know iris and pepe I would say like into that third slot it's a Maya and Brian and then it's shelley and ace because again like I'm not going to say I'm not voting for shelley and ace because I just don't trust it. You can vote for Shelley and Ace because they have been together since day one. I still think they should close off. I like them individually. I like them individually. It's really funny seeing

Ace did also did an MTV Cribs type of thing. His house is like a fucking Lego land. He's 22 years old and he's like a streamer. So he's got like the neon lights everywhere and this is my cool this is my cool little gaming pad and Shelley just seems so mature

and she's five years older than him that I feel like she'll take one step in there and be like am I dating a child? I didn't know he was a streamer. Yeah, he's like a, he's a streamer dancer. He's been on Twitch for years. He does all that shit. But, um, that actually makes sense.

He's, for better or worse, whether you love him or hate him, he's authentic. He's captivating. Yeah, he is captivating. I actually, again, I really liked him in the baby challenge.

Uh, I'd like his energy when he's getting happy for other people. It was kind of sad, even watching the three of them, even though like I'm kind of out on all of them, not even Taylor. Taylor came back for me. I'm kind of out on Nick and Ace when it comes to their couples.

I love when you see dudes get emotional like that. They're leaving. This was the best part. Taylor's leaving. They're like, I'm never going to forget you. Can't wait to see you again. You guys are out of there in like five days.

Yeah, and you're all going to meet up in L.A. There's going to be some fun little things going on with Jeremiah, I'm sure, because Jeremiah has been talking about things, Austin as well. So you're going to see each other in a couple of days. It was just really funny.

I love that they always think that, like they're going off to war. That is funny. You're going to the guillotine. That's where like the psychology of the show aspect comes into play. Because your whole world for over a month is just this villa, just these people. You have no connection to the outside world. So it is at least in the moment like you're losing somebody forever.

Yeah. And that's what's funny. And that's like we talked about it on The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, like being in that, that bubble has to be so bad for your mental health and your psyche and like what it must do

to like every single little part of your brain is probably rewired to just live in this little world and then all of a sudden you go back to the real world and I'm sure

for the majority of these contestants leaving is probably feels like your life is over and the minute that they get back like to the airport or back to LA they're like I can't imagine

the anxiety of like I'm opening my phone Checking my socials to see what everybody thinks about me is crazy. That would be hard. Let me just hold this off as long as possible. A fun little thing that could happen Thursday night's episode is that now the bill is like, what the fuck did America do getting rid of Taylor and Clark as if they're not at fault? Oh, yeah.

It's your fault that we did that. And like, we didn't do it. I didn't do shit. I mean, you and I didn't vote for Taylor and Clark as their favorite couple. That's partly produced. But again, you guys have set this precedence. Don't put it on us. No.

This is not our fault. No, not at all. And that's what's going to be funny to watch the fall out of this season. Because obviously, we're going to see the press tour at the end of everything. You're going to see the different podcasts people are doing. You're going to see events, I'm sure, where they get everybody back together. I'm actually so excited for the reunion of this show. I think that's going to be electric when you get all these people back in the room together.

I wonder, I guess there is a chance that they don't do it because they already have. two people kicked off. So now they're just... Oh, yeah, because I don't want to, like, talk about it. Yeah. Maybe... There's a chance that they wouldn't do it, and that would be why. That would be a bummer because I actually want to see that.

They didn't do reunions until last year. Okay. Well, I would like for them to do it this year. I just want to see, you know, updates. Are people still together? Like, that kind of shit. That's why I'm actually... I'm going to dive in when this is over.

I'm going to watch season six. Yeah. So that when we do beyond the villa, I actually have some context to it. Because I'm excited for that. If... starts on Friday. So good luck. I'm not going to, I'm going to watch a long, I'm going to watch along with it.

So I'm not completely clueless. But I think that it's like, there is something to this show where you feel, at least me personally, and it's kind of an interesting feeling where you feel like you're kind of part of this bubble because we watch it every single night. We talk about it two, three times a week. Like, I don't feel like I'm on the show, obviously, but you do feel some of that isolation of this villa. And you do develop weird emotional connections to these people on the show.

Yeah, you definitely do. Where you just kind of care about them or you want to know what's going on with them after the fact. So I think that a Beyond the Villa show is a great idea. I will say this. They should almost do it where you leave the villa and Beyond the Villa picks up so that you're instantly with the people that you just lost. Yeah. I mean, they are pretty much with all the people that they just lost like right away. I know.

Because they just naturally group up. They're like, hey, what's going on? How's it been? Like, hey, I. I don't, I mean, I don't know what they're going to do. With this cast in particular, I'm not really interested in the Beyond the Villa with them. With this crew, I don't. This crew, no.

And again, you caught lightning in a bottle last year. It worked out really well. You're still capitalizing on it. But now they're already doing, like, TikTok lives and different things from, like, the cast last year. Aaron and Rob are on a TikTok live, talking shit on Love Island producers, talking shit on, you know, why they didn't really want to do the show. Aaron's doing the show, but Rob isn't. Rob's going to be in traitors. So, like, it set up the rest of their lives for them, which is great.

But that doesn't mean it's going to happen every year. So I do think that because this season has been such a focal point for this is not the last season, this is not the right group of people. I don't think these people, like, they're going to have their own social media career. Sure. I don't think that NBC should provide them with anything because then all of a sudden you're creating a precedent that, oh, shit, if I get on Love Island, I can now do another show and another reality show and another thing. It's like, no, nope, no, I agree. I just need to go away. I agree with this season.

I'm saying if you don't tell people when the next season of Beyond the Villa is going to be, you just spontaneously make great crew roll into this season and just get them. It could very well depending on how Beyond the Villa goes this season. Yeah, I think them, which would, I'm assuming that if they have a good first season of Beyond the Villa, that cast will remain the same. And then you might have the opportunity to work in, you know, somebody from this season who lives in L.A. And then you have them on the show. And then you kind of have a almost a almost a valley situation where it's all people from

the past that are like, oh, and now they're back. Like I could see that. I'm really curious about Beyond the Villa. And I think that the biggest thing, again, as we talk about this show and we pretty much spend an hour talking about things that could have been done differently, we don't really talk about the show that much. But like these two episodes, there wasn't really much to talk about. The one thing I will point out, the the narrator Ian Sterling just filleted

Pepe and Chris which line this basketball game is going to be the most watched basketball game of their career. Oh, got brutal. Brutal. So true, but brutal. Yeah, that's actually true. Yeah. Because I don't know, unless you're

playing in like wow man, we're Serbia. Those Serbian basketball games look fucking. They look awesome. They're like lighting fires in the stands and shit. So cool. I know. If you're bored and want to go a rabbit hole, look up Serbian basketball games. Yep.

But let's see what you guys have to say. I'm actually really curious about these questions. First up from Jamie Gibbs, will Clark and Taylor last outside the villa? I think so for a while. It's going to come down to the distance thing, but as far as actual connection and potential, I do believe that there's something real there, yeah. From Addison Dushain.

Still not a fan of Nickelandria? Mark? No, are you? Just have an open mind. They really seem to like each other. As friends. They seem like they're great friends. Yeah.

Like, I'm not denying that. And I don't think that this, like, you're over Nick a little bit, which I get. I still like Nick and I love Elandria. They don't make sense to me. That's all. It just doesn't. And we have said, and we'll continue to say until this season ends, if there's a jaw-dropping moment, we're like, holy shit, they are into each other. We'll admit that.

I haven't seen that yet. So when you're kicking people off the show, where I do see a connection, i.e. Taylor and Clark, but you're force-feeding me Nickelandria, that makes me even more so, like, no, I'm not on this. Yeah. T.L. Jones, 1934, said Clark and Taylor are the most recent victims of being a real couple that was voted off. Yep. Oh, my God. Actually, we should make that chart. Real couples that didn't make it because of bad voting and bad production. Yeah, Hannah was in two. Hannah, Hannah was, seriously, Hannah and Charlie, we're great. Hannah and Pepe, we're great.

There was actually a really funny, T.J. and Iris. T.J. posted a TikTok of driving by, and he's like, I can't even drive around my own neighborhood. And he panned up to, like, a Cadillac dealership. And the name of the dealership was Pepe. Well done, Charlie. That's pretty good. Well done, Charlie. That's really good. No, that was T.J. Well done, T.J.

From Journey 7526, I think we kind of answered this as to where we stand. But why do you support couples that are clearly fake and forced? i.e. Nicolandria and Amaya. We don't stand for Nicolandria. I said that we support them. I think maybe, I don't know, maybe Journey was reading a couple of episodes ago. When have we ever shipped?

We were like, oh, well, you've always, Steele has always been Tailandria. Nick and Alandria, everybody was talking about weeks ago. Now it's not a real thing. When it came up weeks ago, I said that makes no sense to me. And for Amaya, both of us are borderline on it. We're not sure. We're going to see.

There's curiosity there. curious if it's real i'm supporting it's i'm supporting a maya yeah and if it's real which it it could be and i hope it is it's just i still have a couple of question marks i hope to get answered because brian seems like a really solid dude am i i'm happy with him i want it to be genuine i just have a couple of questions left that they could very well convince me in the next episode yeah uh from k looker woods hood is exhausting the best guy there i wonder if he will just send himself home at this point. He could be playing basketball overseas right now.

He could be playing basketball overseas. The look in his eyes after they didn't get voted off and Taylor Clark did. And then Huda looks up and smiles at him and says, hey, what do you think is going on right now? What do you think he feels like Huda? Oh, God. He looked defeated. He's staying and he looks like he's going home. And one last one here from Holly Tug.

Why are people voting for Ace and Shelley and Nicolandria? I don't understand. Ace and Shelley, I understand. I understand why they are. I'm not voting for them, but I understand. Nickelandria, I don't understand. And the answer to that question is, because this season is chaos and not good chaos.

I actually have a pretty solid theory about Nickelandria. Go for it. Just because of my history of Talandria, I do believe that because people were clamoring for it so much, much like I did with Talandria, that now that they got it and then they saw it fizzle out instantaneously

it's almost that shame of being like well we can't back down now Nicolandria for life I think it's really just Nick is fine and everybody loves Elandria so if they're doing it's sort of the same thing as the popularity contest the popularity contest

Amaya is going to win that contest agreed but Alandria would be in second and I get that but they are different because we're not The jury's still out on Brian. For Nick and Alandria, they're friends. They're clearly friends. We all know their friends. They've told each other that they're friends.

They've told us that they're friends. There's nothing else there. I would respect it more if people were out there just saying the same thing they're saying about Amaya. Give her the 100K. I'm okay with that. If you want to vote for Alandria because you want her to have the 100K, I fully support that. She could definitely deserve it. If she wins, I'd be like, okay, yeah, I'm on board with that.

Absolutely. But I think that, again, we got two wrapped up in the, the popularity contest of it all. And when you look at, here's the, here's the question for everybody out there that's trying to force feed us, Nicolandria. Do you really see these two outside of the villa dating? He was with Sierra for three weeks. And the minute that they closed off, he had to clarify that closed off does not mean dating

with her. Do you really think that the second he leaves after being with Elandria for three, four, five days that that relationship is actually going to blossom into something real? No. No. But I also, I love, you probably haven't seen this, I spent too much time in the comments. Then Nick is actually a Faye that cannot lie because he always just kind of beats around the bush. He never says, he always like changes words here and there.

Yeah, ever so slightly. Yeah. Yeah, he just kind of moves him around. And then what he also does is he allows the other person to answer first. And then he uses that answer to kind of spin a narrative similar, but leaving the door open. Yep. That's what I've noticed. And I think that's going to continue.

think also it's it just nick does not appear to want to settle down with anybody i think outside of the villa might be into elandria romantically but i don't think she is with him but i'm that sit down that we had where the two of them were talking and he said it first yeah you know i do think that we tested it it didn't work out that should go a long way but maybe there is something there to say like i can see she's just kind of like scanning through a brain right now trying to figure out of response, but she's not into it. I'm going to just rip the band-aid off and just make her feel better. But he could still be into her.

It's more, I don't think, that she's really into him. I have a question then. Yeah. We're going to fuck around and convince ourselves to be on team Nicolandria. No, I'm not. Here's my thing, genuinely. So when her and Taylor were together for an extended period of time, it also didn't seem like there was a lot of chemistry there,

but she quite clearly was very into him based on her reaction afterwards. right is this just a landria where it's like maybe to us it doesn't feel like chemistry or doesn't seem like she's flirting but in her world she is because with taylor that was pretty much it's not much different than watching her and nick together i think at least with taylor she spent a lot of the time asking questions trying to see where he was and trying to be cutie okay when her and nick are talking it's almost always about other people all right that's fair Like, if Sierra goes home, Sierra's in Casa, they're sitting there talking about, they're trying their connection, but really, how does Sierra feel about it?

How does Taylor, how is Taylor going to feel about it? Then they finally come back because Sierra gets kicked off. They spend some time, all right, yeah, I guess they have to move on. Sierra's not here anymore. I don't know really what to do. They team up because it's the obvious choice. They're still talking about Sierra, and then Taylor goes home. What's the first thing Landry does?

Well, you know what? I did start thinking about, like, life with Taylor, how it would be, I would never move there. And it's like, you guys are just talking about your friends. Yeah. You're not really ever talking about yourselves. And, like, the only thing that we got from that episode, this last episode was after the basketball game, Nick was talking about, like, making pink or waffles for Elandria. He was talking directly to Taylor, which was very odd. It was funny.

It was very funny. And Taylor's like, yeah, you got to do those little things. She loves those little things. I never did those little things. But I know she loves them. And Nick's like, yeah, you know, I could see myself just kind of falling. more and more and I'm like I'm not falling for I don't buy it I'm just not buying what they're talking about it too it's it doesn't feel like he's just falling head over no no I don't know

but no you're probably not going to get us on that team everybody I just I called it before when everyone began talking about it before Taylor and Elandre had even broken up I was like what do you mean it just doesn't yeah it doesn't seem to click for me I could see like honestly you know it would have been a really interesting couple Pepe and Elandria. I would have loved to have seen Elandria with somebody that made sense that I actually liked her.

Yeah, I agree. I think it would have been a different show. Yeah. And here we go. Again, yeah, exactly. That's where we are. But the one last thing I'll say about Nickelandria, obviously what Sierra did was terrible.

Taylor leaving Elandria and just, like, moving on that quickly, not great. All of these things have shaken out perfectly to set these two up. I know. And we still don't feel it. Yeah. And they keep saying, you know, it keeps coming back to you and I. It keeps coming back to you and I.

And you know me of all people. Signs from the universe. I love a good that and I love a good rom-com storyline. And in any other capacity, I'm like, yeah, this is the perfect rom-com storyline, no matter how hard you try. They have to think that, too. I guarantee you, and this is just the problem about people on the show, they do think about how they look. They think about how their appearances are being. I understand that, though, because you're trying to win.

Yeah, of course, you're still trying to win. So something must have clicked for one or both of them, where it's like, wow, all these things keep happening. It's a sign from the universe that Sierra's a racist. Here we go. They sent us back together again because of what Sierra did last year. Now we're back together again. This is crazy.

You're playing it up, and I get why you're playing it up. But, like, I just don't think there's any shot that they win. Yeah, look, and they're going to, these next couple episodes, I think they're really. really going to lay it on heavy, and I'm not going to fall for it. I'm open to feeling that moment where it's like, oh, fuck, that looked good. I don't think I have those moments left in me from this season. It's exhausting. I'm still going to go, like, I think the difference in me watching this versus, like,

so many others, I've never seen it before. Yeah. So for me, it's not wearing that thin because I still am entertained by the premise of everything. So I am going to hold out judgment and just be like, all right, if you guys, wow me in the next week. I will, and you know this. All of you listening know how we do it here. If I feel that, I will flip and be like, okay, I'll probably never be like gung ho about

it. But if I see something, anything, but that's the big thing. Throughout their time together, I've never once had like a, ooh, shit moment. And when you saw them make out and soul ties, you would think that would have been it. And it wasn't. It felt how they verbalized how it felt is what it looked like while we watched. Yeah. But then three days later, we're supposed to just be like, oh, my God, no.

Season finale is on Sunday, so. Yeah, so we got, what, four left? Three episodes left. Three? Thursday, Friday. Sunday. Are they still going to do half a Saturday? They shouldn't. That would be dumb.

That would be so dumb. Yeah, give us four more. Yeah. And just finish it out, and then we'll see where we're at. But it's a good episode. Yeah, for us. For us is what I mean. Yeah, I like when we go this route sometimes, change it up a little bit.

But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. That's our show. Bro's got to go. Hey, Michael. Hey, Tom. You want to tell him?

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