Bros & Shows - LOVE ISLAND S7 FINALE!! (Love Island Full Recap)

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

What's up Bros? We did it, we made it through the whole season. It had its ups and downs, it certainly wasn't perfect, but it was entertaining nonetheless. In this recap, we cover the last few episodes and how we feel about each couple. Chris and Huda is obviously the focal point of these episodes. Nicolandria still doesn't have us convinced despite the fact that individually they are both great. We just don't see the spark... Pepe and Iris seem to be a genuine connection but they just didn't do enough from an entertainment standpoint. Amaya Papaya deserved the W and we love the connection she and Brian shared. Chelley and Ace deserved to be in the final, Taylor and Clarke deserved to be in the final. Chris and Huda shouldve been gone awhile ago. The whole season shifted at points along the way and looking back their were some huge missteps that changed everything. All in all, it was entertaining, but they need to go back to the drawing board and hammer out some of the details before next season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. well shoots we did it we got to the end of love island USA season 7 and uh i got a lot i got a lot to say i have a lot we have been set free is the way that i'm going to go about this we have been fully set free our nights are now open uh i am not going to get lost in all of the comments that people keep posting that i just can't wrap my head around it might last another week it'll take a little bit it'll trickle in and out but i just feel so

much better i feel like a weight has been lifted off of me well it's just interesting it's like you know what we'll get there save for the pod i'm your co-hosts i got to have me my pros and shows bros and shows i got to have me my bros and shows good evening everybody and welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always one more time Villa Goots. What's up, dude? Well, it's not one more time. Oh, Reunion. They'll make an appearance in a month and a half.

Reunion. That's right. I love that they're like, yeah, we got to give these people like close to two months to recover from this, mentally, physically, you know, see their family, even though most of them just go straight to L.A. to hang out with each other still. And then we'll just pick it back up. But I am really excited that Andy's going to be part of it because I don't think he was part of that last year. So he'll ask, it'll get messy. He'll treat it like a housewives thing. Yeah, that's the right move to have him come in and do the whole thing. He knows he's well versed in it. Hopefully he doesn't.

And that's the other thing with this. He might not have favorites. I'm sure he's got like bias a little bit, but not like, you know, if we're watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills bias with Kyle Richards. Like we should see an even playing field, which I think we need with all of these idiots. But I'm excited. excited for the reunion. And I'm also curious now, here's the hard part for me, because as you said, you get so wrapped up in this show. It almost feels like you're as isolated as them. Like, it feels like you're on the show because you have to watch it every night. But what I'm curious about is the brand deals. Now I want to see who's doing what, who's signing with who, who's making money, who and more importantly, who flutters out and doesn't do shit.

yeah uh i mean you can tell from the people who were eliminated pretty early like a jd trying to get his rap career off by bringing out a song called dominant so i don't even know i don't remember jd jd was the guy who accused hood of wanting to be dominant oh yeah that guy he wasn't there a lot yeah the teeth guy which you know what i like i some part of me wants to commend him for at least using his 15 seconds of fame to try to do something so you know he'll he'll he'll make some money here and there but uh but yeah i mean you'll see a lot of that popping around so there's going to be you know a couple weeks from now somebody from casa or whatever like a cocoa might pop up and you'll be like oh yeah i remember cocoa how about that or uh vana she'll pop up

somewhere yeah people like that'll start popping up but the major brand deals will be reserved for the ogs will be reserved for the winner uh i imagine amaya is going to be swimming in cash more than just Spoiler alert. Oh, yeah, whatever. It's over. It's over. If you haven't watched it yet, like this isn't coming out until, what, Tuesday? If you haven't watched it yet and nobody spoiled it for you, I'm sorry.

It was me. I did it. But it's impossible. I mean, people were literally skipping to the end. They would start the episode and they didn't feel like doing the final dates, which they missed some pretty good gems in that episode. But they would skip to the end of the episode just to see what happened. but i kind of get that that episode was obnoxiously long two hours of that shit was not necessary

at all and that's part of my issue did you watch all the whole two hours yeah they did good for you i just forwarded some little parts not like i definitely fast forward some little parts but like there were certain people i wanted to check in with like i wanted to watch the entire hooda and Chris one. I wanted to watch all of, not Pepe and Iris, but all of Amai and Brian, because I'm still curious about Brian, not so much anymore. He's sold me. I think that he's legit.

But I, Pepe and Iris. Yeah, right? But was it four days of work for 50 grand? Like, nice job, Brian. But yeah, I wasn't, you know, as concern with Pepe and Iris. I love them. I voted for them, but I know where they're at. And like, their dynamic didn't change at all during that date.

So I was able to kind of bop through that one. And then why am I forgetting the last one? What are you? Oh, Calandria and Nick? Thank you. And then Nicolandria, I had to watch the entirety because I had to look for that spark, that moment where I'm like, ah, there it is. Guess what?

It didn't happen. And I really tried. Like, I really tried. I'm happy you tried. I was so against them, but I'm happy you gave them a fair chance. Here's what I'll say. Like, is it out of the realm of possibility that they become something? No, they are good friends.

And it didn't feel as awkward them kissing this time. I did feel like they were actually attracted to each other. That's a step forward. But I hadn't at any point, even during that final date, every time that they're talking to other people about their connection, It feels like they're not only trying to convince us, but they're trying to convince themselves. I think that's pretty much what their date was in a nutshell for me. I did watch a majority of their date, I will say.

I pretty much skipped through all of Iris and Pepe. I got this. There wasn't much to see. I got that down to like an hour and 15 minutes. There was a good 45 minute Chuck that I just see you later, brother. Look, you taught us how to cut a Chuck roast the other day, make some stakes. I'm going to teach everybody. how to get a good chuck out of the last episode of Love Island.

So if you haven't watched it yet, here's what you do. Here's the beginning part just to see how everybody feels after spoiler alert number two, Ace and Shelley go home on Friday. We're going to talk about all of it. I don't fucking know. I don't remember this show is just like a, God, I don't know. It's like a space outside of time. It's not like in, it's in like the metaverse, you know what I mean?

It's not even like a real place. but yeah you just kind of want to see what happens see the fallout which you know really it really wasn't any they didn't really care too much to be honest they're like okay we're the final problem not to take away from your teaching people how to chuck roast an episode but the problem with the finale was chris and hooda it made me lose interest in so much more of the show because they were still there and at no point in the last three episodes that I think there was even a chance that they were going to make it confirmed in the last fucking episode I had a fun thought though if they had one

that would have been good because somebody would have kept the money because somebody well and the way that it shakes out you either you can opt to keep the money but you don't know if you actually got the money so you don't know who actually has it so that would have actually been great TV but yeah no I I fully agree with you honestly with with the final four like as funny as it was that a and shelly went home just for the sheer like comedy and watching people spiral online that was really funny to me there's no ill will towards the two of them i don't really care in their fucking game show but it was just funny to watch everybody spiral once they left

though you're you're stuck with iris and pepe who you know we love pepe i think he's a great dude they were together for convenience sake and then they you know it might it might actually work into something they felt the realist they felt the realist they felt the I know. They could actually stay together for the long haul. I could see them and then I could see Taylor and Clark staying together. And then everybody else is like, yeah, in any year, you'll check back in and nobody will be together. But you're left with the two of them who, yeah, maybe they have something there, but they're boring. There's just nothing there for us to really sink our teeth into. And then Amaya and Brian, you know, we've got some questions about, but then

it's really just like you said, it's Chris and Huda. Like, how do we get here? And it's just because there's so many people online that are making so many excuses for Hoda and trying to use it as a teaching moment. But, you know, spoiler alert, Huda's not using it as a teaching moment. She hasn't learned shit this season, as we can tell. So it was just a really weird feel. It was very anticlimactic almost where that's what it was. You get to a point where you're like, all right, if Amaya and Brian don't win, I don't really get it unless it's Huda and Chris, then it's just funny. If Iris and Pepe walk away with it, it's like, what the fuck? If Nicolandria walks away with it, that's a producer.

producer plants, that's just not going to work. Like, nothing really had a good feel to it. It was just kind of like, all right, let's get this over with. Exactly. And I think here's what I'll say with Shelley Nase, because obviously we have a lot of skepticism about how long they knew each other. He even says it in his poem, and I'm like, that's weird that you mentioned the fact. Again, what I will say about them, I do think that they have a real connection.

I do think that they're genuinely into each other and might have a shot to make a run. at it had they not had all these question marks surrounding them outside of the villa yeah they are probably the strongest couple like they genuinely seem happy together but i don't think that was their downfall though i i think their down people didn't really like the way that ace was treating other people that's really what it was i don't even think it was necessarily what shelly did because obviously as people are coming out of the villa we're getting more and more stories about how it goes and for instance that stand-on business thing was seven and a half eight hours long. That's how long that fucking challenge was. I forgot who was that said it. I think it may

have been Taylor when he came out. They were talking about her Clark. And apparently what happened during that whole thing was that people were calling Huda out for lying and changing her words and trying to act like a girl's girl, but she really wasn't because she was just going to other people and telling them what they said, which that's a producing fault. They're doing this to make us feel like, oh, Hood is okay. You know, she's trying to change. She's doing better. Maybe these things that happened with Jeremiah, they're like, oh shit, we really don't want to lean too far into this.

This is just who this woman is. Let's try to pull some of these back. But the reason why it got so controversial and why it got so heated was because everyone was calling Huda out for being a terrible person. And she got heated and tried to fight people half the time. And they couldn't show that. Yeah. So it really,

show that shit. That's what I said. And I really don't understand. I mean, ratings wise, I don't understand how that works. Like, Do they have to make a TVMA if there's like actual fighting or whatever it might be?

I don't know. But how is it not TVMA with all the. It should be. I don't know. Streaming. We could do an entire podcast on that like streaming ratings, how that works. Because I fuck if I know child locks, who knows. But yeah.

So there's so many different things that we're learning from the people coming outside the villa and we're primed to learn a lot more whether you believe it or not. So it's just really interesting to me that that's what we got. We got an edit of Shelly and, you know, Sierra is a bad person, but Shelly, Sierra, and Alandria, being mean to Huda. And it's like, all right, we understand hood is not a great person, but do you really need to be doing all of this? And we were more mad that they weren't standing up for Amaya, to be honest. Yeah. But that's part of it.

And that's why a lot of people who were fans of Huda voted for, you know, Huda to continue to go. And that's what resulted in Aason Shelley going home. So that's really what happened. But I think Shelly's fine. I think she's a good person. I don't really don't have any issues. Ace, I think he handled the Amaya situation crazy, and anybody who's trying to tell anybody different is wild.

Are people saying different? Oh, yeah, people are saying different. He was just trying to get her to see the lights as she could like, shut the fuck up. Just, you know, mold better into the villa. He was just trying to control everything. So, like, the way that he handled the Amaya shit, he deserved to get people to hate on him online.

Sure. Whatever. So they ended up going home because of all the people that voted for Huda and Chris to continue, even though there was no connection. Iris and Pepe just kind of, I assume, snuck under. I'm like, all right, yeah, we'll vote for them. They're cool. So I think that's really what happens.

But it just kind of lost its way. I mean, it lost its way a long time ago, like two weeks ago. Yeah, but you really felt it. It seems like years ago. Yeah. In these last ones, sorry to interrupt. Like you really felt the shift, the dynamic shift. I was not nearly as excited as I should have been to finish this show off.

No, I do. wonder, though, because all of the great moments in Love Island, like when I'm even thinking back to last season, you kind of knew Cordell and Serena were going to win towards the end. And it was just sort of like a. Oh, yeah, all right. But all of the big moments happened in the middle of the season. And then towards the end, you just kind of get that fatigue. And you're like, all right, like, let's get this over with. They tried to keep you enthralled the whole time in season six. They had bombshells coming after Casa. Casa was a whole meltdown. There was so many different things. going on. It seems like for this season in particular, they just kind of gave up. Like, yeah, here's where we're going. People are getting kicked out for comments they made online years ago that people are digging up. The whole thing's a shit show. We don't know what's going on with Huda. We don't know if Ace and Shelley are actually dating in real life. This whole thing with Alandria and Taylor and Clark is just getting messy. All the votes online

are wild. People online are just fighting with each other. Like, let's just mail it in. That's kind of what it felt like to me. There was just no more, no more stir of the pot. There was no more spark after casa it sort of just went like straight downhill until we got to the finale it's like here you go all right thanks that was great a couple moments where like it spiked the needle and i'm like ooh but it just wasn't enough to maintain and again i'm not shitting on the show like i enjoyed it it was my first run through of it but from all i heard about last season especially i can see where it didn't have the same luster yeah i was aware of it i still enjoyed it and i can see why this show is so great.

I'm really excited for next season. Like, I'm actually looking forward to it. Right. But yeah, I do feel like we just kind of hit a point after CASA where people. There was nothing new. It was just like,

let's just have everybody in the house and in the bill of fight and try to figure it out. But they weren't throwing any wrinkles in there. And like, I don't care. Yeah, you can be creative if you want to with the challenges. The challenges are just like a little bit of like, it's just a vanity thing for an episode.

Like, all right, cool. We're going to put them in. bikinis that they wear all day, every day anyway, and we're going to have them make out, and it's going to get crazy. But at that point, everybody's just only making out with their own person because they don't really want to create any waves. So you have to force them to create waves with bombshells, with other challenges, with and they just stopped doing it.

So I really do think that the producers just kind of lost their way and just decided like, hey, you know, we've got this villa for another couple of weeks. Do we run it out to the survivor people? Or do we just finish this thing out? Just let them go. Just let it coast all the way. through. And that's sort of what it was. And I guess their big hidden trick up their sleeve

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Like, I know that there's a lot of people out there that are Nicolandria stands. Lord knows our DMs are flooded with them. I love both of them individually. I think Elandria is amazing. I think Nick is very funny. I guarantee you he's never going to have to get a real job again. Like, he won in that regard. He's going to be famous because of this show.

Alandria, going to do very well and be famous because of the show. I don't see the spark. People tried to, like, lay it out in, like, paragraphs in our DMs. And I read them. Like, all right, what do you see that I don't see? I didn't. I wanted to because I'm, well, I'm more curious than you. You get your mind made up and you're like, oh, fuck everything.

Why we all call you whiskers? Because I'm curious like a cat. That's why my friends call me whiskers. I can. If the moon made out of barbecue spare ribs, would you eat it then? I know I would wash it down with a tall, cool Budweiser. I can do that all night. No, but I just, they seem like best friends.

They seem like best friends, and it doesn't seem like anything more than that. I hope they proved me wrong. I would love, I would love in a year, two years, if there's a post and it's like Nick and Alangier getting married. That would be great. And I do think, I guess, in some ways I started here, and then I wanted. went on multiple tangents, but I'm coming back to the original point, which was their date to me was just solidifying the Nicolandria stuff online.

Here's a bunch of people, they didn't do this for anybody else. They didn't have a goddamn tweet night. They didn't have a movie night, but they've got messages in a bottle that are just the most supportive, lovely messages from people online. I'm sorry, but if I saw that first thing that they read where it was like a paragraph about how lovely they are together and how they look at each other, I would immediately comment on it

and be like, you're a loser. Like, you're lame. Why are you commenting about this, about a TV show? This is crazy that you're putting this on social media. And yet the producers were like, here, we need to keep giving them the nudge. It's the last episode.

Let's keep nudging them. It's just forced. And between that and like having Nick's dad right in and having, you know, the family's all coming. That was sweet. You can't tell me that the producers didn't say, hey, you know, we really need to drum this up and let them know how many people online are

rooting for them, like really push them to do this. It was forced. It was just forced in every direction and there was just no other way to look at it. It just felt weird. If it happened organically or at least they were better at acting, I might fall for it and I might support it. It's just every time that we were presented with more evidence, it's like, okay, like we know what you're doing. It's just kind of boring and trade at this point. That goes back to my original point that it feels like They were trying to convince us at home and themselves. Just every time they talked about it, I don't know how many times we heard we're going to get roasted for this

because there's a lot of Nicolandria stands out there. I don't care. Like I said, I love them both individually. They're great. I just don't get them together. Yeah. Kick rocks, nerd.

But what they did by trying to convince us, the tweets in a bottle, right? Their conversations with each other, their conversations with other people. I wish I kept a tracker of how many times I said, how do we miss the signs? How do we miss the signs? They were all there. It's always been you.

You've always been there. We missed the signs. Miss the signs. But you're also trying to convince me that I watched you to make out. There was no spark. You both acknowledged that there was no spark. And then two days later, you're trying to tell me that there is a spark because Sierra's racist. And now you have to have a spark.

That's what I get. And like everything after the fact. act. Hey, dad, convince America that these two love each other. Hey, who else wrote some tear jerky shit online? Let's convince everybody that these two are in love. I just don't see it, guys. I don't. And people are now going, because I said it, I checked the DMs and read paragraphs. People are going to type, like, essays trying to convince me about Nicolandria. They didn't win. They didn't win. They were gracious in defeat, as I knew they would be, because they're lovely people. They are really good people.

I'll give them that. And to your point, all of those comments were all about, and they were like very noticeably vague. Yeah. We can see the way that you guys are looking at each other. Then they have a conversation and it's like, internally, am I looking at you like that? I didn't even realize it.

No, you're not really looking at them like that. Editing is making it look like that. But you're now convincing yourself that you're looking at them like that. Oh, maybe this is the one that I wanted the whole time. Who cares about Taylor? Who cares about Sierra? we should have been together from day one because everybody's convincing us that we should have done that and if again if it just happened out of nowhere and you know sierra wasn't racist

and didn't get sent home early and you know taylor didn't pick clark because he never liked the landry to begin with those types of things if it just kind of like merged together and they ended up picking each other would have been cool because even even us in the beginning we saw it and you were still a tay landria guy but you could still see it and look and say all right yeah there might be something there. And then it was just shoved down our throats. And we're like, all right, we don't want this anymore. Like, enough. I didn't want it anymore. Yeah. Like I said, if we see that these two are getting hitched in a couple of years,

I'll be stoked. They would be great together, but they're just absolutely. But that's the other thing. Just to let people know, like, this isn't a hate train, they would be great together if they actually were attracted to one another. They would be good together. But they're not. You can't convince me otherwise. But I want talk about let's just roll through couples at this point then we'll get to the finale and we'll just kind of lump all the last few episodes together should we save chris and hoota for the end if you want yeah i feel like we should save them for the end yeah let's save them for the end yeah we're at the point now where i'm not really like jumping at the opportunity to start talking about

it because it's over yeah i'm like yeah we can save it for the end but at the same time i do want to talk about it. Yeah, and I think once you get going, it's going to get a little more enthusiastic. I'll save that for the end. I had a rant, which I did not check any comments to see if people yelled at me for attacking Huda, if you were. They weren't that bad. They weren't that bad. Yeah. People

got a good head on their shoulders. Let's see how today's episode goes. Yeah, good luck, fucker. I'm on this side. Which is your own. He's not supporting Huda. He's just, yeah, maybe we'll see. Switzerland. No, but let's talk about Brian

and am i because i did we both talked about i loved brian out of the out of the gate or as the uh the kids say off the rip and i had questions what did you love brian out of the gate no no no no when he got to the villa yeah okay i'm retracted amaya at the stand yeah that's when i was like oh this because originally i was out on all the casa guys yeah we didn't even know his name no and i was like way out i didn't like the casa guys So, yeah, I meant like when he had gotten and worked his way into the villa. I apologize. You are 100% correct.

I distinctly do remember in one of the CASA episodes when I brought up Brian for some reason. I don't know why. And you're like, who the fuck is Brian? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which, by the way, fair. And awesome for him that he went from where the, who the fuck is Brian to win. Fuck, yeah, Brian.

Great. Yeah. But we both had questions. because for me at least it was very quick right he did seem to understand am i they seemed to get along it wasn't until i learned what i think his demeanor is and like how he responds that's when i started to buy it it was actually kind of the last two episodes the last one specifically but i started to pick up on his mannerisms and stuff like that because originally there were moments where i'm like oh he seems like he's phoning it in he seems like he's kind

of just saying whatever. But then I saw him with his family and then I saw him with Amaya again. That's just how he talks. I was like, okay, cool. I can move on from the questioning Brian thing. But watching the journey of Amaya papaya was beautiful. From where she started to where she ended up with $50,000 and a beautiful man, that's like, that's love.

That's what Love Island's all about. Amaya is the epitome of Love Island. She went out there. She got knocked down. She cut her knees up. She pulled herself up. She said, fuck you, Ace. And she found her man.

And she got the bag. Hell yeah. Do you know what the best part is? She didn't even say, fuck you, Ace. She supported them until the very end. Because she's so sweet.

And she's already said that she's donating her $50,000 to charity. I hope Brian, she talked to Brian before saying that because Brian might be like, fuck. I kind of wanted that $5,000. Yeah. I mean, she really is a great person.

She had, she had Fenty Beauty in her DMs or on her comments, rather, saying, you know, hit us up when you're out with the villa. Like, she's going to have so. Oh, she's working with Riri? Yeah, she's going to work with Riri. But, yeah, I do hope that she consulted with Brian about that because he's going to look pretty bad, at least for like a week until people forget about it if he doesn't give up that money. But, but yeah, the way that I like to think about it in my fan fiction brain, if you will. And this is kind of how I rationalized liking Brian and believing in them as a couple. If they were, say they're OGs or say, you know, Brian was no G or my was no G.

And the other person came in as a bombshell. I could see them going the distance, starting from the beginning of the show until the very end. I could see them being that main core couple. You know, we had Ace and Shelley, but that was always like a will they won't they, you know, are they open or they not? Which I think that was a flaw of their own. I think if Shelley had closed off and didn't really try to discover anything with Chris or at least didn't say vocally that she was discovering things with Chris or exploring with Chris, they would have been better off. I think people would have not fallen for it, but, you know, believed in them as a couple.

Instead, it was like, all right, like, Ace is making a lot of sense right now asking why you're doing this and you're still doing it. And we're all confused. He's confused. And now you guys are closed off. It's like too little too late almost. You guys have been together since day one. You should have just closed off first, honestly. And that would have been so much better.

It would have been so much more authentic. So I do think that Amaya and Brian, if they were in the house at the same time in the beginning, they would have been there the whole time. And they would have been a core couple. They would have been completely unbroken, I feel like. I feel like they would have found each other after Kasa and all of that. I just, there's no other way for me to look at it. I feel like they had that kind of rapport.

And I agree with you. After watching him talk to his family, who was it? God, I can't remember. Was his dad and his brother and friends? This friend Brian. I believe so. His friend, Brian, his dad, for sure. And I think there was.

And then he talked to his mom on FaceTime, I think of it was, or got a message from or whatever it was. All of those things altogether, it's like, all right, now we get to see your real personality when your friends are there, when your family's there. Are you going to change up a little bit? He didn't really change up. He talked about her the entire time, which is cool. So, yeah, I fully believe that they were authentic and genuine.

And obviously, Amaya was authentic and genuine the whole time. with her journey. So they deserved it. They really deserved it. And yeah, maybe some people could say it's boring or whatever you want to do because you were a fan of Nicolandria because you fell for the dupe, fine, I don't care. But they deserve to win. They did. They absolutely deserved to win. I don't know how you vote any other way. I voted Pepe and Iris just because I fell in love with them when they fell in love with each other. Talk, yeah. You just said like 10 minutes ago that you voted for amaya and brian no i didn't i said i voted two 10 minutes ago i said no i didn't no i didn't run the tape back i said i voted for pepe and iris i hope somebody does this due

diligence because that's really funny no question did you even vote you one of those i did i voted for pepe and iris i'm papyrus was that your first virus even real question oh yeah yeah yeah because you didn't text me to remind me that's on you this is your fault it got to a point And this is just season fatigue, but there was a good two week stretch there where I could text you and Devin and say, hey, you guys watching and you guys be like, yeah, what the fuck this? And then it just turned into me and Devin texting and you were like, hey, shut up. Well, I would watch it later a lot of times because I was putting poppy to bed and we're

reading a book, you know, finishing Harry Potter. So I was like, hey, I'll start it later. Life finds a way, you know? How many times have we done that? I don't know. I just like it so much. A lot of you've done a lot of Jurassic Park references with Love Island. Jurassic Park and Mission Impossible.

That's what our podcast has become. Hell yeah. But I think these two deserve to win. I think if you think otherwise, you're wrong. And that's a fact. But I like, I like Damias' journey. I hope that she gets super rich from this whole thing because she deserves it. She deserves everything good that comes to her.

And Brian, I hope that they make it for a long time. I liked watching them with their families because, like you said, it's solidified. connection. They really seem to be into each other. And then when you watch the final episode with both of them, I don't know, man. That's, I think, when I really picked up on it. I was like, I think these two are like in love. I was waiting for someone to say, I love you at that point. Yeah. No, I kind of felt the same way when they were in Ian's, uh, grandmob's basement, which is exactly what that looked like. I don't know what the hell was going on. When we break down the settings of each of these dates, and we already kind of talked about Nicolandria, they just go to

a beach. They go to an island, which was really cool, by the way. Just a beach. They went to a private island. They're the only ones there and walked up a mountain and made out. You got to be careful at private islands down there. But when it comes to the two of them, oh, my God. Carry on. Yeah, but they, it's like their day was boring. They read messages in a bottle and took pictures at the top of an island. Like, whatever. Who cares? It's the setting. It's the setting.

I understand it's the setting. But we, if you're power ranking and you put the number one, which by the way is Huda and Chris's, which was, I think the yacht and snorkeling. The yacht and snorkeling, I feel like it felt perfect for Iris and Pepe. I can't really explain it. But Nick and O'Andrius was just, whatever, go walk around an island compared to the rest of them. The beautiful candle lit in a little bit of a like. a shallow end of a water base. No, that was crazy.

That was cool. With a private performance by someone singing in the middle. Like the content aside about what the hell was going on to those conversations. The timing was incredible. The timing was awesome. They definitely rushed her out there. Like, hey, get it. Get out there now.

But I think theirs was the most beautiful. Amaya and Brian's, I truly don't know what the hell that was. It was, here's a velvet couch. And I haven't seen a coffee table with like a linen liner on top of it since my grandparents' house. And I fully anticipate that there was plastic underneath of that because that's typically how those things work. What the hell was that? What was that setting? I don't get it.

The only redemption that they got was that they won. Because I was watching, I was like, if they lose and they watch this back, because you could say that the island was Gua, it was still a private island that they got to. traverse around and then they got to sit in like a beautiful little flower thing and have their final moments together there was on a valour couch with i'm assuming mothball scent and like i i felt like they were disrespected that shit i don't know until they won i'm like all right it doesn't matter they had the shitty date i agree that that chris and hudas was definitely the most romantic there's no denying that but pepe and iris it's so funny and I'm very excited to talk about them.

But papyrus from the jump, off the rip, they just seemed the realist. And I said that to you, I think last week, I was like they actually seemed like a couple that they just met and there's actually chemistry. And they're like, holy shit, like this could actually be something. And we're seeing the early stages of that.

I'm big on body language, as you know. Like the way that they lay with each other, and the way that they look at each other and just the way that they converse. I'm like, these two are really, really into it. That's why I hope

that they would have more of a vote. I didn't think they were going to win by any means, but I thought they get a little more support, but they just seem so genuine with each other. And I actually believe they're going to carry this on

outside of the villa. Like, I don't doubt that at all. And I don't know, bro. Like, the date on the boat was perfect. It was perfect. And they just seemed like falling in love on the boat.

It was really nice. And I kind of just thought when like the timing of them getting ready to leave with Nicodalandria coming back like are they really just going to hop on the same boat and go back to the same island are we going to have to watch four of the exact same dates because that's going to be awful but it wasn't and I'm thankful that it wasn't but I agree with you I think it was nice and they had like a little bit of a charcutory board or whatever on the yacht then they got a charcoot women check out the check out the local reef you know as it was but um

Iris and Pepe, I do think that the reason that they coupled up was, because we heard reports that Iris was trying to leave when T.J. got booted. So they wouldn't let her. So there's something to be said there. We'll have to try to confirm that when she gets out of the bill. But I think they were pretty much, they started being together for convenience sake because they knew each other. And it's like, okay, yeah, we'll stay on the show. And then it evolves into something else. They will either stay together for five years and get married and have kids.

and we will not really hear from them that much or they'll never talk to each other again after like two or three weeks or after the region. There's nothing in between for them, I don't think. It's just the way that both of them were able to, and Greckon aside, the way that both of them were able to just kind of slide on. Yeah, we forgot about Grecken.

He was distraught about Hannah and it ruined him. And then he goes to Iris and he's like, oh, okay, everything's fine. Iris was ruined when T.J. went home. and then she moves on to Pepe so quickly, who's to say that they don't get out of the villa and just move on from each other immediately because they're not there anymore. So who the hell knows what's going to go happen with them?

I think voting-wise, they just weren't that captivating. And obviously everybody in the villa pretty much, Nick and Landry included, got together in the last week. So there is no long-standing chemistry to go off of. There is no, oh, wow, you guys really went through all of it and you stayed together, good for you, you deserve the win type of situation. And it was really just, we really like a mine,

and she seems genuine, she wins. That's really all it was. That's all it was. It was just such a strange situation to have four couples up there. Not one of them had been together for that long. Nick and O'Landrie were best friends for the majority of it, and all of their connections went home. And then they're like, okay, we'll do this because the producers want us to.

So it was just a really weird feeling. There wasn't, you could have gotten behind anybody except for Huda and Chris, and I would have understood where you were coming from. So many people spoke out behind Huda. we're almost there i can't wait to talk about him but here and if you don't agree let me know the nicolandria set up how do we miss all the sides you've been there the whole time that rings true for pepe and iris it does not ring true for nicolandria pepe and iris i believe it because the way they look at each other smooch all of those things i'm like all right

they're actually into each other and they were best friends the whole time because they came in together they've been very close i believe it that should have been used for for them, not Nicolandria. Yeah, it was used for Nicolandria because they were both OGs. With Iris and Pepe, they didn't have, if we break it down from a strategy standpoint or from a coupling up standpoint, they didn't have the opportunity to actually couple up until they both came back from CASA because they came in as bombshells together. They have to couple up with somebody who's already in the house.

So that works against them, obviously, you know, Iris tries Jeremiah until Jeremiah goes home. And then T.J comes in and she ends up coupling up with T.J. Pepe's with Hannah for a while. He loves Hannah. He leaves. Gets crack in. T.J.'s gone. Then it's like, okay, yeah, I guess out of necessity, we have to do this.

So they didn't really have the opportunity to get back together or to get together in the first place until that moment. So I can't really hold that against them. You know what I mean? It's not like, you know, we can do that. We can still look from the outside looking in and say, yeah, all the signs were there. You guys should have probably been together. Now all of this, all the TikToks that peckons that. Pepe was putting up a bunch of TikTok saying, like,

I really love Latinas pretty much where he's like, he was like brunettes, eh, blondes, me, Latinas, hell yeah. He curved the only Latina that was really in the house that was available to him with Andrina, which I think there's probably more there that we didn't see on footage wise, but they weren't going to work. And he went after every blonde that was in the house. So it made sense, I guess from his standpoint, to get to Iris, who was the ultimate blonde in the house at that point.

So why not? I just don't know. It's just tough. I don't feel strongly about any of the couples. I never did. They all disappeared before you got really strong feelings. Well, that's a victim of poor voting. Yeah, we had to endure for the entire season.

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that the show is over. I'm not going to lie. I just became so routine. Like, there's part of me that's Like, oh, if I don't have to watch a show every single night, I can space it out. But I don't know, you get so enthralled with, like, the villa and the routine of it and the people on it. Like, I got genuinely sad when people left. I got genuinely happy when people pop back up. I'm like, oh, this is weirdly, I'm weirdly invested in these people, but I was thinking back on it. And, like, I saw this TikTok of this dude, and he was talking about how fucked up the setup of this show is. like you know when you really break it down now just think of that and thinking back there

was a moment and i meant to talk about it before we got caught up with other shit but it was when amaya and brian were going to the hideaway and just the scene that i watched was so ridiculous when you think about it from like a real life standpoint everyone points to those two it's got to be a my and bryan it's got to be a my and brian cue the music techno remix of i want to dance with somebody and everybody jumping up and high-fiving and chest bumping and psyching me part of it up because they're get to go have sex they're about to go boink and everyone's like hell yeah let's go who it's like oh eat that kitty in the hideaway i know but as this is all happening it's like oh i want to dance with somebody this is the most ridiculous setup of a show

ever like they're going to that closet to go bang right now let's all chant cheer high five and cue dance with somebody like that's what this show is very it's very uh seven minutes in heaven coded mm-hmm high schoolers all chanting and people to get in there yeah yeah except it's overnight it's adult seven minutes in heaven uh seven hours in heaven if you will but yeah i do agree with you i think it makes a lot of sense and if you do miss you know the the monotony of just having the same show every single night and changing it up and getting into the routine love island games was renewed for a season two i don't know what the hell that is it's it's uh so it keeps showing up are you going to look it up right now yeah uh so it kept

showing up after i would finish because you finish an episode and then peacock's like hey you want some more and i'm like no i'm going to bed but love island games daddy you want some yeah and it uses the same theme song so i was always really confusing I'm like, what the fuck is this? But, Ariana's hosting it, and she got the nod for that as well as coming back next season, as well as hosting the reunion with Andy. So she's getting a lot of things going on there. But from what I understand, it's sort of like an All-Stars, Love Island All-Stars,

where they'll pull people from the UK, from Australia, from the U.S., and they'll have them compete in different games within the villa. And it starts in September. It's not something. We can watch it. I don't think it's really something you can cover. cover, though, because I don't think it's like a drama-filled thing. I think it's literally like they play games to compete for prizes or something.

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It sounds like a normal season. Yeah, that sounds the same to me. I just, I don't think anybody in the U.S. is really going to watch it unless you bring back somebody who was big from either season six or season seven. They are definitely going to. There's no way to help. They're going to try. I don't think anybody from season six really wants to do it

because they're already doing Beyond the Villa. So this is going to be where, like, J.D., Zach with a C, those guys from Kasa are going to show up. And it's like, we don't care about those people. I'm curious if they can, if they can snagged the cast, we'll take a look at it. But it's not something we can commit to, that's for sure, because I don't know what the hell it is.

Yeah, we're already doing Beyond the Villa, right? Yeah. Yes, we are. I got to catch up on season six. uh yeah just watch like a i'm sure somebody on youtube has like a two hour breakdown of what happened yeah i'll watch that and then i'll dive into some episodes just to get the feel of everybody but yeah all right man let's do it let's rip off that bandaid because this shit started a long time ago a while back these two had no business still being with each other hooda had no business

being on the show anymore there were so many so many chances to send her off and obviously as we've discussed i'm a little more sympathetic to her but that doesn't take away from what i saw in the last couple of episodes what i saw with jeremiah and it just seemed like sure it was a little more mellowed out with chris because like i will give her the fact that she was trying to change the way she was doing things but the root of it all seemed like the very same person doing the things to jeremiah because with the patronizing the condescending talk talking down the you do what i want but i'm not going to do what you want and i'm going to get mad at you for not doing what i want but i'm not going to do anything you want like

that that that's not compromise but she's a nice break down well it's just frustrating because she gets on chris about all this shit and i'm like this man brought up to you and i'm glad that he brought it up when he talked to uh one of the i think he was talking to brian that heart to heart they dad. But her big thing is physical touch. I want to be obsessed with. I want you to grab me. She wants to be love bombed. She wants to be love bombed. But this man told you, I feel like you're dodging me in public and it makes me feel sad and like you're embarrassed of me that you're not all in on this. And the minute we get in bed, you want to be smoochy, smoochy, touchy, touchy. Yep. Did she adjust to that? Did she change anything there?

Did she try and say, hey, I hear you. I'm going to try and work on that so we can compromise it. No, she didn't. She stayed the same, moved the same because she's claiming she didn't want people to look at it the same way as she did with Jeremiah. But that's no different when you're making out and doing things in bed surrounded by people. It just simply is not. But then you want to get on him relentlessly because he's not a touchy-feely person. Make that make sense.

He's trying to touchy-feely in public. Smooch me here. You don't want to do it. And then you're mad at him for not doing it. And you don't, you count down. We're counting down at grown men. Any adult, not just men, any adult, if you three, two, one them, fuck you. That's crazy talk.

Now, Chris not wanting to cuddle in the middle of all of that when all that shit's going on because he values his sleep was incredibly relatable. Like, no, I just want to go to sleep. Don't, like, don't bother me. to anyone not even just a couple in bed that's it with sleepovers with your friends whatever it might be i'm going to bed leave me the fun alone let me get my sleep instead she's poking him in the back and just before this which was i think the funniest thing ever he has a little bit of fun you can see it it's the first little glimmer of hope and smiles that we've seen out of chris since he coupled up with hoda she has sucked the fun out of this man and it is brutal to watch somebody just

lose a shine and he has had countless serious conversations about what to do anyone online who's telling us or them or themselves or whatever that he didn't try is fully of themselves he tried it every turn he tried to have conversations with her conversations with amaya brian anyone who would listen to just lend me your ear and he didn't try to control the narrative which is what we see when hood it goes to those people she controls the narratives and spins things and says he says this but he doesn't want to do that she doesn't tell her part of it that's what she does he's looking inward and bringing up the things that he may have done or what he could potentially do differently it's crazy when you just put the two of those side by side and you can say he's trying she's

not she's trying to remain the same he's trying to be helpful and trying to grow and trying to change for her which you know changing for somebody else probably wouldn't be the right way to do it anyway but whatever it's love island who the fuck cares when he's having a little bit of fun and throws a pillow she has to go get a bandage for her nose and make the guy feel bad i'm sorry come on and it was it was so disheartening it was it was brutal and she's like uh if you don't turn around and cuddle me in three seconds you're going to have to pay for that tomorrow that's crazy that's manipulative that's mental warfare that's crazy speak and anyone who watched that and was like i can see why she would do something like that

she's doing this like you're the problem you're weirdos is so many toxic people online that are like she is not the problem did you see the way that he was doing that i'll give you one thing he did coerce her into saying i just want to be friends that definitely 100 a thousand percent coerced her into doing that he was pushing her in that direction by telling her a million times over you know what you want to do just do it you know what you want to do just do it i didn't think at that point that she actually wanted to do that she wants him to try to make more of an effort, even though he's already making an effort. That's what she wants.

She doesn't actually want to break up, but he forced her to go ahead, tried to force her to go ahead and do that. And then she finally does it. When he kept grabbing the champagne, I was dying. I was like cracking up. He was just like, yeah, whatever. And we're doing the same thing again. It started off the same way.

We're going to talk about the things that we've been trying to go through, they're trying to work through. She cuts them off. The second she cuts him off, he stops and he's like, whatever, I'm grabbing the champagne. I'm done. Like, it's just, he realized right that in there. It's not going to work. So what do you want the guy to do?

And then she breaks, she breaks up with him, which, you know, I'll put an a n asterisk on the narrative. Yeah. Yeah. That was the one thing where I'm like, all right, you don't get to go home and say that she broke things off with you. No, because you had a bigger hand in it than that. Yeah.

But after all of that, she wants you to carry her across the water? No. You just broke up with them, quote, unquote. Quote unquote. But no, still no. Like you're a grown woman. You can walk. You're fine.

I'll hold your hand and help you down. That's about it. Like, here's what I'll say. If we're going to break it down from, you know, their start to their inevitable finish at the end like that. But in the beginning, she was pleasant. He was pleasant. How much did we talk about that? Like, they seem really cute together.

It seems like he kind of centers her a little bit. Like, they seem to get along. She has toned it down. She seems like she learned from Jeremiah. We said all the things because we saw that. I do wonder, and it's impossible to do this now because of all of the things that she's done, I wonder if she was like that in the beginning with Jeremiah. Like if she was pleasant and she was nice and then it just ramped up immediately and then it got crazy.

She could have been exactly like that. It could have been a spitting image of a relationship that we watched between the two of them. And we just don't realize it. We're like, oh, wow, she's nice again. This is great. We probably forgot that she was also nice in the beginning because we didn't really know her. We weren't really paying that close attention the first. second third episode yeah i would imagine it was similar and it's just it's not to people trying

to vilify chris like even if you're a hood of stan like i don't know how you watch that and throw the blame on him watching that whole thing transpire like i said in the beginning he was very understanding even when shit would pop off like after we saw the baby thing he went to her and was trying to ask the right questions he's a very intelligent person like the way he articulates everything he does a really good job of describing exactly what he's feeling and thinking and he asked the right questions i was always impressed with the way he's able to articulate his feelings and like his emotional intelligence but if you watch it throughout there's a certain point where he starts to get short where he starts to turn a little bit where he's starting to point her with

his conversation he's not saying it that i want you to do this but he is alluding to to it such as i know what you want to do just do it that kind of talk started days before they actually broke up at the end yeah but at a certain point he hit a breaking point and then i thought that was before the family gets there then the family gets there mom and sis are all about hood i was like what that's what had they been that was the other thing everybody came in there was no drama at all in the family stuff is there usually i don't think so because this is the first time they've done in-person people coming from your family. Usually it's like, hey, you just won America's vote.

You get to go to the hideaway and you get to talk to your family. So last year, it was two couples that got to talk to their family. That was that. This year, everybody gets a family member. So like whatever. But there was nothing there. It seemed like everyone there was proud of their person, was happy that they were in the couple that they were in and rooting for them. So it gave them all false confidence.

And by all of them, I mean, Huda and Chris. because Chris was a wreck before that thinking, holy shit, what is my family going to think about me with Huda? Is my mom going to come in here and she's just going to rip me apart because I'm sitting here with this woman who's just making terrible decisions that everyone is mean to me. Who's mean to me and brings out a side of me that they probably don't like? Or are they going to like her?

And he's just completely racked up there, just freaking out. And then everything's fine. So I mean, I guess like, yeah, if you're a family member, you don't want to come in and immediately be mean or like not, talk or be standoffish because you haven't seen your kid in a while. I get it, whatever. And maybe one at the same time, it's like, that's actually more harmful that it was good to be because it

probably gave them another day or two of like, oh, this is great. And for somebody like Huda, it gave her a lot more confidence. Oh my God, your mom loves me. This is great. I'm going to be more of myself, which is worse. So it's, it probably I assume helped that situation or hurt that situation, depending on how you look at it, it was just bizarre.

It was bizarre. The whole thing was fucking hilarious, to be honest, watching them go through this breakup and a woman comes up to serenade them in the middle of their dinner. Beautiful setting. Meanwhile, they had just broken up. It's great. The timing was impeccable.

But if you break it down, if you lay this whole thing out, right? And I said that there was clearly that shifting point when he became short with her and all those different things. The biggest sticking point I have, you already brought up. every time that he's talking and he talked to a lot of people about this a lot of people and he also had a lot of very nice things to say about her early on yeah his conversations were constructive what's going on am i crazy what do i need to do differently do you see this he's

asking the right questions when she talks she changes what actually happened you don't get chris's side to the point that amaya's like that's bullshit like i can't believe in a Maya, who's very understanding of most people, and she didn't, like, pour it on thick. She still was, like, kind of neutral. But some of the other women, hearing what, what Huda had to say about Chris was like, well, that's not right. You told him what you need, blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, hold on.

We haven't heard from Chris about this topic. You're just taking what she says verbatim. This is the same person that apparently all of you skewered on stand on business night for being a bad person. And now it's like, oh, fuck, Chris. It's like, I don't think that's right. I don't think that's fair to try to point the finger at this dude, who, for all intents and purposes, I thought, genuinely tried. But he was waiting to see that shift. He was waiting to see that actual change in her where something pops off.

And that was the test, right? Something pops off how is she going to handle it? Yeah. It popped off and she didn't, she handled it the way she used to, right? She didn't yell. But at the same time, you're poking this man in the back. you're threatening him if he doesn't hold you so that's one emotional warfare two you're using sex as a weapon which is not a great place to start your relationship and three you're gaslighting

this guy and telling everybody that he's treating you horribly when we've watched him treat you very well for the majority was he kind of a dick sometimes yes he was yeah was she kind of a dick a lot of the time yes she was he acknowledged all the shit that he was trying to work through and look the other way on and it got to a point where you simply could no longer look the other way because it was all around and i don't think it's fair and i know that's the hoda stands it's the 2.5 million people that you got three million now is up to three yeah i just i i don't think it's fair even if you stand with huda i don't think it's fair to put chris off this island of fuck that guy he's the problem because chris he tried he definitely tried

yeah he absolutely tried but i mean it's the same thing i mean we saw the same look in jeremiah's eyes as we did chris's eyes the life just gets drained out of them at some point and they start questioning their insanity which you know isn't great he could be playing all overseas could be playing ball overseas probably should have honestly but you know hopefully you get some sort of endorsement out of this or at least some sort of notoriety making I'd make a living out of it, maybe get a house. That would be great. I think he will.

He's still, we don't really know where he lives. No, but he's a likable guy. He's a likable character. I think he's going to be fine. But yeah, it's, yeah, it put that side by side with the way that it ends. Because obviously we have a winner, but we have to break down everything. Who's in fourth place? I can't believe they sent them up, by the way.

I can't believe that Chris and Hoda had to even go. I thought they're going to be like, you guys can sit down. because this is absolutely no i think i thought it was funny again because once iris and pepe sat down i'm like could be really funny that would be the funniest thing is if it's not because oh if they won sure no no if they won it would be funny not that they couldn't stand up there for the vote reading the vows or whatever the fuck that was oh i i did i watched those but like i'm i'm not even analyzing them they're so stupid it's just they're meaningless words nobody gives a shit But how many times what did Nick say?

What was his, this highway we call life? He said that twice. Yeah, highway we call life. Let the sparks fly. Oh, boy. But Hooding, Chris, and this is what Hooda does, now she's okay with it, where it's her decision. She wrapped her head around it in a way of, yeah, it was my decision that we're just going to be friends. We're done.

It really wasn't. But, you know, you can say it was. How the hell are we even up here? We're not even together. Ha, ha, ha. It's like, eh, all right, yeah, I don't believe you. Go sit down. Go sit down next.

Actually, don't sit next to Iris and Pepe. Because when you do go sit down and Pepe gives Iris a kiss, Iris says, can you give one to Huda too? And Pepe looked fucking frightened. Like absolutely not. And I guarantee you, Huda would have been like, yeah, I'll take a kiss. Kiss me in the forehead. Tell me everything's going to be okay. No, absolutely not.

Stay away from me. So, as we've already spoiled 15 times, Amaya and Brian win. Yay. very very obvious they do not one of them does not try to take the money they both just split the money and that's the end of love island as we know it hopefully they don't hire micro influencers uh next year because as we find out from as and shelly in all of their post interview post game interviews if you will they all knew each other everybody knew each other yeah i know what things with alandria i've met nick i met taylor i knew this person when the casa people came

in i've seen them before what the fuck no just absolutely not strangers just yeah go back to strangers that's what they do in the other countries go back to strangers except for tommy fury he was not a stranger oh yeah you got to watch that that's wow uk uk season it's incredible um but uh but yeah i mean reunions a month and a half away i don't think it's going to be that explosive those types of reunions, it's going to be a lot like the Vaynerpumpville reunions. Yeah, but I'm excited for her to get back together. I think they're all moving

to L.A. That's kind of what they do now. They just move out the West Coast, start a new life for themselves, then they realize, holy shit, the money train is running out because I was not one of the cool people. That'll be fun to watch, though. I'm excited for that part. Final thoughts,

if you will, and this is something I wanted to point out earlier with Nicolandria, but As he's giving his speech, was it not shockingly similar to the exclusivity speech that he gave Sierra? Like, we'll get out, when we get out of here, he's not that bright. No, but like, he's like, when we get out of here, I don't know if we're going to be dating lovers or best friends, but it's like, you're giving yourself an out again. Like, the whole speech was like, we'll see what happens, but like, life's crazy out there, but this has been cool, I guess. so I don't that speech did not invoke any hope for these two outside of the villa which I wasn't on that that team anyway but now I really don't think they are and then the rest of my final thoughts as you guys know I enjoyed this season I can easily see where they fell short across the board what are you going to do it oh I mean look as you just said everyone moves

to LA right after these shows get done taylandre's got a shot because wasn't your l a final thought no but because you brought it up i will hammer it down there is it's never never say never you know never say never because love finds away guys love finds away and now i think taylor and uh clark make more sense yeah taylor and clark they know they'll But that's what pissed me off, dude. Genuine couple. And they're gone. Like, this is the thing.

And, like, here's my actual final thoughts. As far as the structure of this show goes, I think they tried a lot of things this year that did not work. Primarily the influencers, micro-influencers hiring them. Like, that's your biggest mistake. There was also a lot of pitfalls along the way. The biggest thing they need to change is how they vote, what we're voting for, who gets to vote, and when. Because too many things happened that changed the whole entire. dynamic of the villa. It changed the direction of the show because certain people left when they

shouldn't have. Other people remained when they shouldn't have. And I'm not saying that you have to protect people because obviously the shocking departure of somebody that everybody loves is a huge part of this show. I respect that. I get that. It happened too many times that we are left with connectionless couples as we're saying goodbye to people that actually make a lot of sense together and if that is the primary purpose of this show plus all the wacky shit that goes on there needs to be a better system in place to protect the people that will make the last week of this show exciting because what ended up happening was we have three couples that just got together one couple that hates each other and one couple that potentially dated on the outside of

this show that was our final five that's not good tv because there's too many question marks the end of it, when we get to this finale, it's like, well, yeah, they could win, I guess, but, like, Amaya and Brian are going to win because of Amaya. The rest of them were just not invested. They did a bad job of getting us invested all the way to the end. And I blame that entirely on the voting system and structure when America is allowed to vote and when the bill is allowed to vote people off. Like, I just think they need to really address that and address who they're hiring

for these roles. well letting America vote is always a dangerous game to play but they're going to have to figure something out at least be a little bit more specific with the votes like you said yeah i don't understand there were multiple votes where it was just pick your favorite couple okay that's how taylor and clark go home taylor and clark gave you a lot of good moments a lot of good drama you could argue keeping taylor and clark was way more important than keeping elandria elandria was great everybody loved elandria she didn't have a connection in the house so you force with Nick you keep Taylor and Clark you actually have a good couple then we're in the final

forum we've got I still think Ace and Shelley shouldn't have gone home as much as I thought it was funny at that final no reason that they should have not like Chris and Hoda should have gone home if we're being normal about this but we weren't if we're sitting there with a final four of Amaya and Brian everybody loves Amaya we're still like all right Brian are you really on board with this or are you just trying to win some money you've got Ace and Shelley who have been in the house the longest you've got Taylor and Clark who stood on fucking business and got through all of that and we're tested, which is what the game is supposed to be about. And then you've got Iris and Pepe who, you know, they're fine.

They're great. Then you have a real decision to make. Who am I going to? Am I voting for love or am I voting because I love Amaya? That's what we have to come down to. Or am I voting for Aes and Shelley because they've been together the longest. Like those are real decisions where a finale actually comes into play and we watch the whole thing to try to figure it out.

And then we're all just locked in at the end. Like, holy shit, this is crazy. Who's going to win? Instead, it's like Amaya. and Brian better win otherwise this is a scam this is stupid it dumb america should never be able to vote for this stuff again that's kind of where we were and thankfully of course you know my and brian did win so they they have a lot of things to figure out i don't give a shit like the challenges i already saw i was just looking through our question somebody was like what challenges

would you do differently i don't care about the challenges they're all the same thing it's just they're fun after like halfway through the season i don't care anymore like the beginning i think it's fun because like you see people don't really know each other making out I know that, but like it was funnier earlier because it's all randoms. And then I'm like, okay, and you can see people got scared to do too much in the challenges because because Huda did too much in a challenge and it was a huge thing. So I. Apparently that was a big deal, which is interesting.

A lot of yeah. Yeah. It was a lot. It was way way too much. So that which we kind of figured. Yeah, obviously, but. Well, yeah, let's see what our audience thinks here. no boy from Georgia Fuller would you have carried Huda please say yes or decorum is dead

decorum does not apply to Huda and I wouldn't have gone back Chris at least went back and was like what are you doing what's going on what's the plan here I wouldn't have for the second time I would love to say I wouldn't have but I probably would have you probably would have yeah yeah you know me I probably that's right decorum is 50% dead From Ryan Stoneman 83, am I the only one that found that the finale fell flat without Ace and Shelley? I mean, it wasn't only because of Ace and Shelley, but yes, it did fall flat. And we, I think we did a decent job of breaking down why we thought it fell flat. Yeah.

No, I think we did a good job with that. Good. Good. Oh, okay. From Leanna Palazzo, happy about Andy co-hosting the reunion. What do you think will be different with having him there? I see. If you did watch those like Hulu shows,

I didn't watch the Secret Lives and Mormon Wives reunion with Nick File because I didn't really care. Those Hulu shows that have like random people hosting, it just never really works. It's people talking over each other. It's like watching what a Bravo show tries to have somebody that's not Andy host. It just never really works. Remember Nikki Anage host of the one year?

Yeah. It's a Potomac. It was bad. It was awful. Like, if you don't have somebody there who knows how to do it, it doesn't work. So Andy does know how to do it. I think it'll be messy. I think he'll ask the questions that we really need him to ask.

I'm not going to even answer this one. I'll just name it. From Christine BV8. If the bed situation with Huda and Chris was reversed, how would the public react? Just leave that one there. Yep. There we have. Yeah.

from crystal taren why are we having a reunion over a month from now because they need time to recover mentally if i remember i didn't watch last season but the mental and emotional fallout from the show i did see like people were deactivating socials people were going into hiding i imagine they one it's probably a hectic time of people getting back and signing like brand deals and getting managers and shit like that and two probably to emotionally recover because I say it all the time the psychology of these shows and these kinds of setups are so fascinating to like what it does to your brain being in that situation for an extended period of time like reacclimating to regular life for the people that stayed the entire time has to be really hard yeah and that's the one thing I will I've meant to mention earlier with the family thing like it was sweet and like obviously they've been across the world from their family but you would have thought that these people got shipped off to war it's i know the emotion brian's been there for five days

and he's sobbing i'm like dude you you just got there it can't be that heart wrenching but anyway people asking if we would carry hooda i would have there's my answer i would have but begrudgingly yeah i wouldn't have i would have stepped really heavy so i kind of splashed her with water uh from she would have yelled at you for that uh from jamie gibbs What song would you have serenated Chris and Hoda with? Ooh. Oh, boy. I've got two.

What's yours? Bakey, breaky heart. And my heart will go on by Celine Dion. Billy Ray Cyrus came out. That would have been awesome. I like that. Oh, boy. Oh, fucking, was it Evan, M and Rihanna?

Just gonna stand never watch me, but. That's actually the perfect answer. That's what I would have done. Hold on, I got this one here. This has been driving me nuts that people bring this up. I'm not coming at you. Dream chasing B at all. But do you guys realize that Taylor was not hated for choosing Clark,

but for leading Ola on. Yes. Yeah. We know. Why he went home. Yeah. That's why Clark was also voted least genuine. She had nothing to do with it.

Yeah. That's the other part of it where you say it's only because it wasn't because Clark got caught up in the mix of it because he chose her. And we said multiple times, multiple times the way that Taylor handled it was not great. He should have told her flat out. So yes, we get that. But at the same time, he got vilified for also playing the game. game. So it's a two part of there. You can't say that one didn't happen. The other did. They both happened. Yeah, you had said, you would take the stance of, oh, yeah, he handled that poorly. And

then I tried to explain why he handled it the way that he did, but we were both on the side of he handled it poorly. Yeah. So, yeah, we're aware. We understand what that was. He shouldn't have gotten lateral damage. No. That's my thing. Because you watch these relationships, quote, unquote break down throughout the season there's people still there that did similar things or treated certain situations the same it's just it came down to a landria being a fan favorite and rightfully so i love alandria but i don't think that he should have gotten kicked off of the show when he had a genuine connection how he got there might not have been perfect but the point of this show is mess to find that connection that we want to root for that's what sucks

about the vote because when taylor and clark got the boot they were probably a top three couple in the house yeah for sure um last one here and this is a good one to end on from jacklin our what was your peak and pit of this season okay uh my peak was actually that moment i described earlier just because i really in that moment felt how fucking nuts this show is and that was when I wanted to dance with somebody, Techno remix came on and people were cheering and chanting to go boink in the hideaway.

It was just a funny moment to where I sat back and like, you know where you get like a reality check sometimes and you really think about like what you're doing and what you're like watching? Yeah. That was that moment for me where I'm like watching it. Like this is insane that we all get so sucked in

on this show. It's a great show. I'm not shitting on it. But like when you really think about it, Like, what am I watching right now? Like, that was, and that, that's like my funny peak. I'll think of another one while you go, like an actual peak. I've got my peak and pit.

My peak was, uh, Taylor during the stand-on business. I think it was just, that was the most excited that I got. And that felt like the most real thing that happens this whole season. My pit was Jeremiah going home because Ace wanted to push an agenda. That's my tip for that one. I think that changed the entire season. change the landscape of the entire season i agree uh my pit is that and when we had the chance to send huda home the second time when it made the most sense we saw the fallout from the jeremiah

thing we had a chance to give her the boot there that was the moment to do it that really changed the whole season's dynamic yeah right then and it's also funny when you watch all the way to the end And one, the moment where they're all in the pool and the fireworks are going off. And she's leaning on Nick's shoulder. Apparently when Iris jumped in, her entire dress came off. And they were like, Peacock, what are we doing here? She's basically naked in the pool at this point. And then, of course, my favorite about the jump in the pool was Pepe just had a perfect dive.

Oh, I. A1, perfect dive. It's so funny you brought that up because I was recapping. in my head the four dudes jumps you had pepe was flawless absolutely flawless nick looks very athletic he got some height there chris jumped over everybody yeah and then you had brian like a little bunny hop into the pool and he's not athletic all the other guys are very athletic well they were talking about that too when they were throwing the football around like wow our men are so athletic so holy shit how does chris catch the ball with one hand it's like

Chris's hand is massive. He's a professional basketball player. He can palm your head. He's not a regulation football. Come on. No. I could throw that ball over the mountains. They'll pick skin a quarter mile.

But the other moment, other than Hoodah, leaning on Nick, like, that's when the producer should have looked at the show and been like, wow, we fucked this one up. Like, one of your final four is leaning on another dude in a couple because these two can't get along. And then my final thing, and then I'll give my peak of the season is. Jesus, you're still going. Well, I didn't give a peek. I just don't want it to end. I don't want it to end.

When Hood is talking about the, I forget what the conversation was, but it was after her and Chris had broken up, and she's like, it's just so great. She's talking about Nicolandria. She's like, my best girlfriend and my best guy friend in the house are together. I love it so much. I'm like, he has tried to get you kicked off of this show four times. Yeah.

he's not your best friend that was an eye-opening moment for me and then my peak of the season was the whole season because it's my first foray into this show good season or not i thoroughly enjoyed it and i'm stoked to continue to dive into the love island world fair enough good job well well how can we do our our declarations of love to each other oh god i don't have the energy for it i'll write you one we'll do it we'll do it before the reunion. Yeah, I like that.

We'll do our declarations and love before. I don't want to think about it. Off the cuff. I want to time on it. I want to write an ace poem and draw a heart in the sand. Yeah. That's the last thing, actually.

Then I'm going to wrap this up. Genuine, it's going to take 30 seconds. Why the fuck are we getting exclusive on the last episode? What does that mean? That means jack shit. Okay, sick. They're like,

we're exclusive. It's like, dope. What? They should have gotten exclusive weeks ago, weeks ago, and they'd still be in it. Anyway, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. That's our show. Villa Goots has got to go.

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