Bros & Shows - Mary Cosby and Robert Jr. Save Lives by Addressing Addiction (Part 1 of 2) (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

What's up Bros? This episode of RHOSLC had a lot to discuss so we decided to break it up into a two parter. Namely one of the most powerful scenes that we have ever watched. In part one of our recap, a lot of the ladies are at odds with one another. Meredith is leaning heavy into the victim card as she invites Mary for a 1 on 1 chat at an art gallery. Mary, who is obviously preoccupied in worrying about Robert Jr, doesnt have time for Meredith or her nonsense. Mer is still holding on to the idea that Mary kicked her out of her house. Roll the tape, she said shut up or leave to you AND Angie. Lisa and Angie K. take a trip to the aquarium to squash their beef. Lisa feels like Angie has been a bad friend and unsupportive, while Angie feels that Lisa doesn't listen to her. We are team Angie here, we have seen Lisa be Lisa year after year, and it doesn't look like that's going to change, so its about time Angie put her foot down. But they settle things for now... Heather and Whitney are planning a camp day to try and bring the crew back together and settle some of the issues going on. The trip there is already littered with smack talk. Meredith continues to drag Mary and implies that there must be something going on with her thats deeper, and yet has not asked her about what could possibly be going on with her... Lisa blindly takes Meredith's side and Bronwyn sits back and listens and drops a little breadcrumb about Whitney talking smack about Heather. Meanwhile, Heather continues to question Bronwyn's authenticity despite making amends last week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Soon-to-be Broz and shows, trying to work it in there so we all get used to it, not just the listeners, but myself. as well. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only bros show me gross. Bros and shows, me gross. Gross. Well, how do I do that with shooter? I don't think it changes anything. That changes everything. It shouldn't change

anything. My name doesn't change. That's what rebrands are. You change everything. I suggested last week that we do a full rebrand of our personalities too. Okay. And you weren't on board with that. So why would you change my name? Well, what? To that point, let's dip into that briefly and then we'll get to Roslick because here's the thing. I need a little lightheartedness before we get into this one. So let's go with that. Talk to me about what would we rebrand personality-wise? Because this will also give me insight into what you think my personality is.

How would I rebrand my personality? Hmm. Less emotional? Yeah, less emotional all around. Just more of a robot. Talk to bottom. Yeah, you would just study for, you know, know, a good couple of months, how the guys, the husbands on Salt Lake do.

Okay. And become a robot. Hey, way to make it pertinent to what we're talking about. Nicely done. What we do here. Full circle. My new personality will be making things pertinent instead of driving us away from other things.

Okay. That's good. But you made what my new personality is. So I'm going to make yours. Okay. Fair not. Although, no, I guess I did say less emotional. So you just did the same exact thing I did.

Yep. Maybe less nitpicky for me as well. Uh, for you, shave your mustache. I feel like that is your personality. Yeah. I don't want you to do that That would change my whole life I don't think we'd be friends

My girlfriend would leave me My parents would probably unadopt me I would We should just start spitting false narratives About your past So nobody knows what's true And what's not That's what I was going for

Yeah And what his actual legal name is Maybe if you've heard what I've said in the past You don't know if that's true or not Paul Johnson Yep Randy Johnson That's his name But like I said

And we're here to talk about... J.T. Thomas. J.T. Oh, boy. Yeah, I get to go to the Southern Charm premiere on Thursday. Shooter will be in Europe, so he's not going to join me. I'm going solo. And I am hoping and praying that I see J.T. there. I will go up to him on your behalf.

Yep. I just say your biggest fan. Shooter says hi. Because J.T. knows who we are. J.T. had our video taken off of TikTok because he's a little... Videos, I think. Yeah, was it two? Well, it was the same video like six times. That's right.

He kept going back. it and I kept posting it. We ended up winning. Uh, it's still up there. And, uh, yeah, he's just a little bitch boy. So hopefully he's there. So I give him a big old handshake or like, you know, lean down and give him a hug. Yeah. Get down on one knee so I can get face to face with him. Yeah. So I'm excited for that. Well, I'll let you guys know. I'm going to bring, uh, my phone. I'll take videos and maybe talk to some people. I don't know. I've never done anything like this before. Neither of us have. So, and you're making me do it alone. It's fucking mean. So funny, too. It's like, if it was the night before, I'd be like, all right, I got to do it.

It's okay. My flight leaves, like, right when the party starts. Really? Yeah. So I figure, like, someone's got to be there. Like, Ryan Bailey, like, he's in New York now. Like, somebody's got to be there that I know, so I don't feel. I'm going to be really awkward.

Because I also can't do the thing where you, like, hang out and I'd just, like, get a buzz and, like, see what's up. I'll be stone cold, sober alone. Like, like, the new version of naked and afraid? Yeah. sober and alone is the new naked and afraid yeah when you're at a party and you don't have the buffer of alcohol yeah or friends or anybody or friends you're literally sober and alone starring steel russell that's what the next episode i'll have my own episode next week and it's just me with a video camera recapping the party called sober and alone yeah and we'll have all the recaps we've got it all planned out don't worry you don't have to worry about us i'm going to bring all my stuff to london to amsterdam wherever i am I'm going to pop on and make sure the baby birds are fed. Humble Brag. Yeah, don't worry, baby birds.

You are always at the top of our list of priorities, and we want to make sure you have content. So it's going to be an absolutely miserable week for us getting all of us done. I think we got like eight episodes in the next five days, but we wouldn't have it any other way. We're not taking a break because he's going to Gallivant in Europe. Did we take a break when I went to Italy? No.

Nope. I was editing in Rio Majure. Humble brag. Yeah, I had to do it too. I had been places. That's good, yeah. But like I said, we're here to talk about Ross Lick, and I'm glad we started off on a light note because this was one of the heaviest episodes of Bravo.

I think everyone's seen. I'm not going to lump it into just me because of my sobriety journey, but I think everyone that saw this had a big impact on them as well, which I think is really incredible. And I'm not going to talk about this scene until the end of the episode because I do have a lot to say about it. I thought it was incredible what Mary and Robert Jr. able to do and the strength and courage that it took. But the funny part of this episode as a whole, everything other than that scene was just comedy. I was laughing the whole episode. And then you get there and it took obviously a different turn. I'm glad it did. But this was a good

episode of TV. It really was. And there was a lot of foreshadowing around that scene at the end. They sort of led us into it. And I had the thought to myself, do I want to just get it out of the way just to start the episode with it? Or do I want to have my hand held all the way through and say, all right, we're gearing up for it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. And then you already know what happens because Andy last week at Fan Fest had already said that it's one of the heaviest scenes that he's ever seen on Bravo television or television as a whole.

I would agree it was devastating. It was all crazy, just silence watching it all the way through. But I would agree. The rest of the episode, you would have no idea that we were about to get hit like that. No. I mean, we knew it was coming otherwise, but during that episode, it was lighthearted. It was fun. They're just taking jabs at each other.

Loved it. It was insane. There's nothing too crazy heavy. Nobody's getting like kids and stuff involved. There's nothing heavy. It's all bullshit. It's just dumb bullshit, and they're all mad at each other, and I love it. It's like prime chaos when you get a group.

That's just, for whatever reason, because I can't point to one actual reason. For whatever reason, they're just not getting along. Some people don't want to get along. It's conflict of interest. It's people spinning stories. It's mainly that. It's mainly people going by their own account or truth, but that's not actually what happened. Yeah.

But let's jump in, and we start out with Heather and Whitney, and they're planning a little campfire gathering. Not one of my favorite themes that we've done thus far. No. I thought this was lazy. This was lazy. This was shoddy work at best. I didn't appreciate it just because they seemed to have Girl Scout sashes that could or could not be real. I don't know if they're there's a hold.

Maybe. Just costumes. But I thought we're going to just roast a couple of marshmallows and talk about it. You're at like one of those parks with a gazebo. It honestly looked like a rest stop. Yeah. Like they stopped on the side of the highway like this will do. It's lazy.

They didn't even do like an egg catch. They did a potato sack race, which apparently Trustfall. The Mormons, oh, that was more interactive the last year. Was that two years ago? That was last year, yeah. When they did the group building exercises, that was more interesting than this. I will say this, and we're not there yet, but just a comment on potato sack race as being invented by the Mormon.

Mormon, by the Mormon. By the Mormon. The Mormon. Joseph Smith. Oh, yeah, come on now. You want to get into this? Nope. Damn it.

That I believe. I definitely believe that they were sitting around like, what should we do? It's like, I have a potato sack race after we soak for a while. It would be pretty dope. So, makes sense. We'll get to, I'm, that we had a lot of soaking this episode. We've been talking about it for years. I know, I know.

We did have a lot of soaking. We got everybody involved in that conversation. And I was here for it. I learned, locked in. I learned something new, too. I didn't know. But we'll wait for that, too. Let's get back, back to business here.

And as Heather and Whitney point out, things are tense amongst a lot of the group. I will also say this, the way that Heather types is insane. Did you see that? Chaotic. It was one finger. I know. I know people do the one finger sometimes. She was typing a full paragraph with one finger. That's crazy. Use your thumbs. What are we doing? I don't know. I'm glad you noticed. Posedable thumbs. It drove me down. We have them. Thank you. But they're talking about Mary's house and what happened at her luncheon and the Whitney and Meredith thing. like how are we going to be in the same room together, alluding to her, grabbing her phone.

Things got a little tense there. And I forgot, I honestly forgot about that. Because I was like, oh, what are they feuding about? And I was like, oh, I guess just because she grabbed her phone. Was that the, what else was going on with those two? That's pretty much it. Right? From what I gather.

Okay. That's all I got. So again, a lot of tension amongst the group, but a lot of them are very trivial. And Whitney seems to think, and Heather agrees, that the reason that Meredith has all of these problems is because she didn't do arts and crafts as a kid. Yeah.

We can't say it's not... Macaroni art. We can't say it's not true. Because I did arts and crafts as a kid, and I don't have these problems. Did you? No. You didn't do arts and crafts?

Didn't have those problems. Oh, okay, cool. I was going to say, that explains a lot. No, I mean, it's just a classic Whitney line. You think that maybe she's going to spit something out that actually makes sense? No. Arts and crafts.

Never. It's arts and crafts. is a problem. But the big thing that comes out of this scene is Heather and Bronwyn still and regardless of the fact, or despite the fact that Heather and Bronwyn had made up at this party, or

seemingly so, and we knew it was kind of a half-assed apology and acceptance of an apology or whatever the fuck happened between these two. Heather still thinks that she's two-faced, still thinks that she's sneaky, doesn't really trust her, which is just ironic. And anytime that's the argument that any housewife has, especially on this show

where everyone's a hypocrite, that's my whole point. It's like, you're all doing this. You're all hypocrites. So why are you holding her to this double standard? I don't really get it, especially because Brom went earlier in the season called them out for doing that. And that's the first time that we have seen a housewife call everybody out for doing the same thing. And it's really just housewife behavior.

And at the end of the day, it's a classic apology for a housewife. Neither is actually sorry for their role in whatever they did. They both walked away from it thinking that the other one's two-faced. And that's kind of where we stand. I think what it boils down to is Heather definitely sees Bronman. as a threat. Definitely. Whereas Brahmin looks at Heather as, I don't really care what you do.

You know what? We have to be in the same room together. I don't want you just constantly pulling shit up on me, making comments about me. I'd rather just kind of let the animosity die. But at the end of the day, I really don't care about you. Heather is looking at Bronwyn saying, well, she's getting in with Lisa. She's getting in with everybody else. It seems like she's getting along.

She's rich. She's got a rich husband. Blah, blah, blah. Like, it just seems like Heather has taken up so much more real estate in her own mind about Bronwyn than Bronwyn has for her. So Bronwyn's taking up real estate in Heather's head. Yes. Heather's taking up my real estate in her head as brown.

I tried to twist the words to make it make sense, and it did, but I knew I was wrong as soon as I started. I just didn't feel like restarting, you know? I appreciate the effort. But we move on from there and we get Meredith. What I would give to live in the world that Meredith lives in, or to live in the world that Lisa Barlow lives in, where your truth is the truth, no matter what. Like, it doesn't matter what happened.

It will be spun to fit your narrative to make yourself feel better about whatever the hell happened. And she's talking about Mary's once again. And she's at the, which is a horrible name for a gallery, the relevant art gallery. Yeah. That sounds like. I thought it said Revenant. That would be better. I think it did say Revenant.

Is it Revenant? I don't know. What'd you write that? I thought it was relevant. I wrote Relevant. Revenant's better. Do we want to give them credit or? It's up to you.

I'm just going to go ahead and not. do my due diligence. Yeah, Relevant's lazy. Yeah, relevant is lazy. Revenant makes me think that it's all artwork based around Leonardo DiCaprio fighting a bear, which I'm cool with. Yeah. And it is in Utah.

Yeah. I don't know if the Revenant was, but it's in a mountain. No, they were in like Alaska. Okay, cool. Yeah. Mountains. Okay. Mountain.

It's fine. But Meredith's big sticking point with Mary is that she was kicked out of the house. She was no longer welcome there. She's implying that friends don't do what Mary does. did, and I was supportive of Mary when nobody else was. I'll give her that. Okay, that has nothing to do with anything else going on. You have been one of the few that has stood by Mary for the past three, four seasons,

even when she wasn't on the show, you guys still let her friendship. So I'll give you that. But that has nothing to do with what transpired at the house. So I kind of tend to think, first off, she did look directly at Meredith and say you can leave. She was clearly talking to both of them. She was just trying to get them to stop talking and shut up. She said, if you can't stop. But in my mind, she did pick Angie over Meredith in that scene.

No one got picked. She said, if you can't shut up, then leave. I think, yeah, but I do think that she looked directly at Meredith when she said leave. Who gives a shit? Not that, look, I do think that Meredith left because she saw an opportunity to get out of it, and she doesn't feel like doing with it anymore and be a victim. Correct. But she has some sort of standing here.

And you can spin it in a way of saying that she's picking Angie over me when I stuck by her for four years. Angie's a new friend. That's what she should do. If you, yes, okay, fine. If you want to be her and play the game, she's getting there. No, she's not. She's absolutely not, because she's just saying you kicked me out of your house. We run the tape later. Yeah, no, it wasn't like a full-blown, get the fuck out of my house. Like, you're not welcome here anymore. If you can't shut the fuck up, get the fuck out. Yeah, which is fine. Like that, if I heard that, I'd be like, I'm going to shut up and just sit down. Yeah. And they keep pointing out, everyone points out throughout the episode, she took the parting gift.

So you're clearly not that frazzled by this whole thing. If you're like, I'm just going to get my shit, my nice new handy-dandy notebook with my name on it, and I'm getting the hell out of here. Yeah, you probably want a merry parting gift. I would love a merry notebook. Are you shitting me? That would be awesome.

But Mary's supposed to meet her at this relevant, irrelevant art gallery at some point. Nice. And thank you. We cut over to Mary, and this is the first inkling of what's to come later, the first foreshadowing scene that we get. She's trying to find Robert Jr. She's knocking on his door, trying to talk to him.

He's not responding. It paints the picture that something's wrong. We've seen for weeks her alluding to Robert Jr. changing, not being able to communicate as well with him. We saw that scene. We've seen it multiple scenes, which now, after watching this episode, because we've talked about this a few times, where I was concerned that they were highlighting this too much if there wasn't. And I don't think anybody could have expected the scene that we got. But if there wasn't that kind of moment, then I thought that this could have been a dangerous thing to do.

But now, looking back, I'm glad they highlighted the stuff that they did. But this was another one of those moments. And she's just saying that she's choosing to ignore him or has been choosing to ignore him, which is important, especially for later, up until this point, but it's reaching a point now where the concern is too much. And she's getting worried. But overall, she's got some real shit going on, some very real shit. This is not trivial housewife stuff.

This is real life implications. So she's an hour late to go see Meredith. I do think that Meredith, and I'm not going to falter for bringing up the, oh, I guess you're an hour late. Because she doesn't know. I do think that when she watches these episodes, she's going to be like, fuck, that's why she was late.

I feel bad. Did you see the clip from the fan fest? No. So Andy had gone to the Salt Lake City girls who were there. There was Meredith, Heather, and Lisa. Heather had a pretty good answer. It was basically just, had you guys had

or did you guys have any idea what Mary was going through while you guys were filming while all this was going on they all said no Heather's response was probably the best out of them because how would you respond to something like that? No, I had no idea and you know I just wish the best for her

and I really hope that she can get through it. You're not going to make it about yourself, right? Absolutely not. Okay. Heather didn't. Heather said pretty much that. Then they moved to Meredith and she said I wish that she had reached out to me so that I could have helped her.

Like, eh, I know, it works. Not really. and Lisa's was even obviously more about herself. So still not a great position to be in, and they have seen these clips. They have seen the scene itself and then went on there and said that. It's like, come on, like,

just say you feel for her and you hope that she's doing better and you wish that you had known at the time because, you know, maybe you could have helped. You would have helped if you could have. You can phrase it so many different ways that doesn't make it about yourself. Yeah, and not, again, putting the onus on Mary.

Like, you should have reached out. It's like, you're at the bottom of her list. She's worried about her son, not what Meredith Marks thinks about it. That's a really good point. This episode is brought to you by Square. You're not just running a restaurant. You're building something big.

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Mary ends up showing up like 40 minutes after the fact. And what bugs me throughout the whole episode is it's right there. And they bring it up. Like multiple women bring it up. I don't agree with how Meredith got to this point of this is out of character. Something's wrong. I wonder if there's something bigger going on. She really had to do some shoddy work to get to.

that point by making it about herself, but you keep saying that. Like something, something's wrong. So, all right, you're aware of that. You call Brooks on the phone. Brooks reiterates that to you. Is everything okay? Are you sure? And then you lean back. You try not to get further into it rather than be like, hey, because Mary shows up and you say that. But it was in a way where it's like you're trying to throw shade out or you're like, you're not really yourself these days. Like, what's up? Instead of being a genuine friend, you brought it up too many times. And other people in the show bring it up too many times throughout this episode for nobody to be like time out shit guys is she good the only person that seems to understand it later is the last person i would

have thought and that's brittany who's like wait guys like is something up because up until that point people are speculating in a negative way where it's like something seems off with mary you all keep saying it but nobody's going to mary and be like yo yo let's take all the shit out of this and like what's up with you so mary ends up getting to the art gallery it's a very quick scene. One, I don't think Mary would have time for this shit anyway, even if Robert Jr. wasn't going through what he's going through. Because she doesn't do this. When he get into tit for tat, he said she said she's not going to buy into that whole thing. On top of the fact that Robert Jr. is going through what he's going through. She really hasn't. She's pulling no

punches because Meredith's like, you know, I was really upset the fact that she kicked me out of your house and she's just out of character. And she's like, out of character for me or you? Because you have severed our friendship. I was like, whoa, great. You guys are done? What the fuck? She left your house? Yeah, no, that's kind of what I thought at the same time, too. And going to what Mary's shown us in the past when she's in a good headspace, she either, one, wouldn't have gone, or two, gotten there and actually had it out instead of leaving immediately. And she probably wouldn't have used as, you know, serious conversation tones or, you know, crazy words or talking about severing a friendship. She would have made, you know,

like some sort of joke in there that only Mary would have gotten that would have actually dug at Meredith. I thought that Meredith it's interesting that she's going to play this victim card and then turn around and somehow put it on Mary. Like you can play the victim card and just kind of like take a step back and say, I was really hurt.

Why did you do that to me and try to be like a wounded animal? Sure. But then you try to turn it on Mary and say, you're doing all of these things to me. It's like, no. And then you still have the wherewithal to say something must be up. That's my whole point. So you keep pointing to there being an,

underlying issue that you're unaware of and yet you refuse to ask her about it other than to lead off the conversation to make her feel like she's not herself so you can then be like I've had your back you kicked me out of your house she's like I didn't I told you both to shut up or you could leave she's like well I didn't feel welcome and Meredith does this better than anybody she is the victim of her own novel always she will always be the victim everyone's against Meredith we see it later with the hearing aids comment yeah which I'll save that for later for the hearing it's comment but she has this uncanny ability to to really dig into being the victim and i think she thinks it's playing much more victimy is that a word sure is now

victimy because the way that she talks it's like you'd think that mary grabbed her by the collar and dragged her out and threw her and said get the fuck out of here instead of talking to two people whether you say she's looking at Meredith or not, I do not care. This is not that big of a deal. You decided to leave because you saw an opening. You wanted to be the victim. Now you're pouring it on too thick. I don't, it got to the point for me where I was irritated by it, honestly.

Yeah, and honestly, how many times do we want to just yell at these people and say, when you think that there's something going on and they're acting out of character, you should understand that there's probably something going on and you should ask about it. I'm going to keep harping on it. Instead of playing the victim and saying, wow, you were really. mean to me, I'm going to play the victim now. You should say, wow, you were really mean to me. That was a little out of character.

Do you want to talk about, like, what's going on in your life? No, because they see an opportunity to strike and they say, whoa, you're acting out of character. Maybe I can play this up a little bit more and get a rise out of you. And then people are going to feel bad for me. Yeah, but that's what happens all the time. Mary has no time for it. She's like, you know what, fuck this.

I'm out of here because she is. She's dealing with something real. And you took two steps towards it and ten steps away from it, Meredith, but whatever. We get Lisa and Henry and Angie Kay and Electra at the aquarium, which is nice. I like a little aquarium visit. When's the last time you've been doing an aquarium? I went to the Camden Aquarium not too long ago. How was the Camden Aquarium?

Not as good as I remembered. Didn't hold up, huh? Nope, didn't hold up. I used to go to the Inner Harbor one all the time on off days because we weren't our mightily. Well, that one's good. The one down in Baltimore? Solid. Yeah, that one's solid.

Plus, you could go to, like, Hard Rock or Crabby Dix? No, there was a fucking, there was an ESPN restaurant across the street, too. Well, there used to be the hard rock with all the games in it. Yeah. Then it turned into the ESPN bar. Yeah, now it's the cable boxers. No, it's Hard Rock again. They took the games out.

Oh, shit. The big guitar has always been there for Red Rock. But I remember that, but I would go get hammered at, I think it was Craby Dix. And that was the place where they put the hat on you that says, like, mean names. Craby dicks. Cravy dicks. You get it? We would go there.

It would be like I got crabs or crabby dicks. Ha ha. But I get hammered there and then go to the aquarium. If you haven't been to an aquarium drunk, let me tell you. I know this is probably not the appropriate episode for this. Maybe not. Good time. It's a good time.

Okay? Just saying. That's all leave it there. Maybe not. Nah, maybe not. But I'm just saying it's good time. But anyway. I think you should go to Hard Rock restaurants and get me a couple of glasses.

Like get a hard rock glass. from each one and bring it back for me. Is this the Todd Starbucks thing, but I'm going to do it at Hard Rock? I actively avoid Hard Rock cafes and chain restaurants like that. Yeah, I'm like Heather Dubrow and Tamara in London. Like, I don't do this tourist do shit.

Only with Hard Rock Cafe is foresty. Hard Rocks and cheesecake factories. But they all the same in every single city, too. Never understood that. I don't either. But people go to them. Like, I'll never understand being in a city like Philly with a great food scene and tourists go to Hard Rock Cafe.

You go to the convention center first. That's weird. Go to a restaurant. Whatever. This is a whole different rant. But I love these two when they have scenes together just because of their confessions. It just shows you the world that Lisa lives in. And I'm not saying that Angie doesn't have her own spin on things, but she's much more in touch with how word the audience are seeing it.

At least I like to think so because in Lisa's confessional, she's like, you know, I miss her as a friend. Like, I would take all of her calls throughout the day. I'm like, she didn't call you. And I get confirmation because Angie's confession, she's like, I would answer 100 phone calls a day. I was her confidant. I'm sure she misses me. I'm like, hell yeah. You literally just said everything she was trying to say, but put it on you.

And I believe Angie over Lisa. Absolutely, because we've been saying that since the jump of this season, pretty much. As soon as there was a rift between the two of them and it came up, the first thing out of our mouths was, yeah, it's probably really fucking exhausting. being a friend of Lisa Barlow, because she probably calls you 100 times a day. And the phone call probably takes an hour each time. Yeah, no, I do think that we're starting to see, because I did say every episode, I felt like we were taking a step back from Angie B and Center Snowflake. This was the first time this whole season that I've been like, okay, Angie's doing something.

She's learning. She's moving towards the middle. She's not quite there yet, but she's moving towards the middle. Look, pal, you don't earn Center Snowflake in the first half of the season. You earn Center Snowflake in the set. It's not how you start. It's how you finish. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's a condescending, mm.

We'll see. I don't like that at all. I just don't know. I think it's still a goof. Take the bitch out of your voice when you talk to me. No. Slap that mustache off your face. You're going to go to Amsterdam mustacheless.

Oh, no. No, you can't go to Europe like that. No. I wouldn't do that. But anyway, we get the one-on-one conversation between the two of them, and they both recognize that they're off track. They both recognize that there's a big rift in their friendship. The problem is, and you knew at some point,

Angie was going to have to cave a little bit for this friendship to be able to move forward. But Lisa keeps saying that she's hurt and she doesn't know if she can get back to where they were and she's upset with Angie. And this is all over the bad mom comment, quote unquote, bad mom. If you go back, no, Angie shouldn't have said, like, she just sticks her kids in front of video games. Like, it does allude to her being a neglectful parent. We've seen Lisa Barlow. I can say lots of things about her. I don't think she's a neglectful parent.

I think she cares about her kids. and I don't think that Angie Kay thinks that she's a bad mom. I think she was venting to Heather. We've talked about this a million times now. She was venting to Heather. She went off a little bit. Heather was trying to cover her own ass because she knew it was on camera, told Lisa preemptively,

which is probably a smart move because it's probably easier to make up with Angie than it is to make up with Lisa. So I understand where Heather's coming from. The fact that it is drug on for this long is irritating to me. I'm glad that they could have moved on from this whole thing. but it's just so funny to watch Lisa's narrative on things. I defended you, I had your back, I need that from you. We've watched Angie defend you for years.

We've watched her unapologetically, unconditionally have your back. Time after time. The one time she decides to stand up for herself, not be in your shadow, be her own person, check you for your bullshit. You get upset because she's not falling in line. and she even explained to you what's going on. I will no longer be your bitch. That's what she said, not verbatim, but that's what she alluded to.

We know where she stands. With Angie saying flat out to her, I need you to hear me and you're not listening. And Lisa still doesn't listen and still doesn't get what she means by that. But they reach this like, I don't know, they come together because they both miss each other. And they say sorry in Greek, which means fish, which is. Sorry. Sorry. I don't know if that's...

And look, here's the thing that Angie is going to be able to do a lot better than Lisa. She's able to share a part of her life, a little bit of her background, to explain how she feels and what goes on. Everything that she's said in this story about her mom and everything and how she felt neglected and how she's seeing some of that in a lot of, you know, her friendships growing up, that all made sense. And that's all you have to do for a viewer. is just make a little bit of sense. We'll go, oh, that makes a lot of sense. I understand where you're coming from. It can even be like half sense, but we'll find our way there.

We will rationalize. And if you guys don't do it, we'll figure it out because we overthink these things. So sitting there, I'm like, oh, yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Lisa finally stopped talking. You got her to listen. You told her a story, explained how you feel the way that you feel and why you're doing this and you're trying to learn from it and make sure that you can make amends in certain friendships. But the most important thing is here, we need to redefine our friendship.

Now, obviously, all of that is for not, because as we see on social media right now, they are not friends. They're not doing well. They are not doing very well. But right now, it's nice. It's nice for now, sure. Not really. I don't care for when they're friends. Because for me, it's Angie taking a step back.

Yeah. You think she's taking more steps towards Center Snowflake? I just need to know, and this is, we don't get a lot of context when we have, like, real-time fights, and we're watching things from, like, six to eight months ago. We don't really know what the straw to break the camel's back was. We don't really know how it came to pass. We don't know if Angie's getting support from people like Bronwyn. You know, we can kind of make our assumptions based on the after show and the things that we see online. But the majority of it is just Meredith and Lisa going after Angie constantly and her returning fire.

Yeah. So we don't know who's on each other side. We don't know where the rest of the cast lies because no one else is really talking. That's annoying to me. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot track side. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a life. time. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events

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I agree with that actually. It's not enjoyable because it's just it's false truths back and forth. They're both like, yep, you're right. Well, you're right. I didn't really like them against each other either, though. So what does that say? Just don't talk to each other Just stay away

Just don't talk to each other Somebody has to go to a different show Yeah Let's send Lisa to No, I don't want anybody to change Lisa in Salt Lake No, keep them there I want Meredith there too

See, I don't know what to do I don't either That's a real conundrum we got Because it was really annoying When they were going against each other It was irritating a shit Neither of them would listen to each other Or anybody else

They just talk over each other Nothing changed And then suddenly everything changed That was annoying to me Yeah Them being friends It's also getting kind of annoying Yeah, they're annoying.

I don't know what to do. I don't either. I was going to keep talking about probably. Yeah, all right. Quick check in with Mary once again. More foreshadowing for what's to come later. She's saying that she hasn't talked to Robert Jr. in days and that this is not normal behavior.

He used to come into a room, sit in the chair while she's getting ready, whatever. Their chit chat about their day. So she's been noticing more and more the changes in behavior, which is important to note for everybody out there that are potentially going through this is that's the first thing you'll notice. It just changes in behavior, but she just wants her baby back, and I'm already watching this, like getting choked up. I'm like, fuck. Yep. Like, I'm going to get crushed later. But we get to camp day. I just drop my pen. Camp day. Camp day. Let's have some fun real quick, right? Let's have some fun at camp day. And I did not know, and I feel like I missed out. Maybe this is why I wasn't

like a high-powered businessman. I never went to sleep away camp. Nope. So I didn't make those business connections at a young age. Correct. Yeah. I would love. to know, and I'm sure like for like super wealthy people this is probably true because you're going to camp with like Bill Gates' kids or like whoever. I would love to know like some random sleepaway camp. What's the one

that everyone went to or Phil worked? Ticomsa. Oh, yeah. I would love to know like two randos at Ticomsa that now run like Fortune 500 companies. They're like, oh, it's my old camp friend. We shared a bunk together. Yeah, I mean, when Lisa says it, I just don't believe it. I don't either. But there's no way that you have any business connects from this. She didn't go to sleepaway camp.

Yeah, but, you know, she's still going to say she did. She didn't. But she's still going to say that she made business connections from a same. No, she's saying I felt like I missed out culturally because I didn't go. So I missed out. Oh, I see. That's where people make friends and business connections. I think I'm just so used to hearing her lie that I heard something completely different.

That I, here's the thing. Let me put on my psychology hat, which is apparently just my hat like this. You're missing some great prop work on YouTube. If you don't follow us, subscribe. Like, there's a plug. Prop it up. Yep. Prop it up.

What? What? Okay. I don't think that Lisa ever thinks she's lying. I think that when she's speaking, she believes whatever she's saying is her, like that's the truth. Not just her truth.

That's the truth. I think she literally spins everything that she's never wrong and truly believes it because the people closest to her, as we've seen with J.B. Husband boss, he's only going to talk for so long because she's ignoring him. So she has nobody to, there's no checks and balances in Lisa Barlow's life. And if there is,

i.e. Angie K, she removes them. She's like, well, you're not, you're such a bad friend to me. No, she's trying to actually be a good friend in the past episodes and tell you, this is how you behave, I'm fucking sick of it, I'm done with it. Other people have said this. Multiple people have said this to Lisa Barlow, and never not once has she taken a quick second to be like, hmm, if this is the general consensus amongst a lot of people, maybe, just maybe I should look inward. Yeah, or just understand that other people have feelings, too, and thoughts. Oh, well, that's, that's never going to. You think that's, like, the 110th step?

That's the most wishful thinking, I think, I've ever. Yeah, I just, yeah, she needs to start somewhere, though. Well, don't. Or don't. No, just keep feeling, Lisa. You know what, you're a TV character. Just keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, it's working.

But there's people are on the way there, and we get Angie and Mary, and I know Mary's going through it, but her shade, when she's on, dude, it's just, it's just funny because she's talking about being late to go see Meredith and she's like, well, she'd stop renting in Park City and started renting closer to me. She's throwing rent jokes out there, not being a homeowner. She highlights the fact that she took the parting gift when she left or Angie does regardless,

which I still think is really funny and also points to you clearly weren't that upset if you had time to grab your gift. Flash over to Meredith Marks. She's like, look, the self-righteousness is just, it hurts my brain. She's like, you know, I felt like I should be the bigger person and reach out to Mary.

Mary doesn't think she did anything wrong. I don't think Mary did anything wrong. You think that she got thrown out of the house, but you know you didn't. You saw an opportunity to play the victim. You're going to play it up because that's what you do. And you have somebody in the car. And this is when it got irritating to me, these two going back and forth. Because you got Lisa in there.

She's like, oh, my God. What? She was an hour late. That's so rude. She doesn't care about you at all. You got kicked out. I felt so bad for you. I cannot with these two, I'm glad Bronwyn's in there who's just kind of like taking it in and I know what she does.

She's just logging it for later. She takes it in. She plays the middle. She asks a few questions just to get a bigger story on what's going on and how they feel. And then she pulls out little nuggets of information. She never really takes aside. No, she's in the middle of them or the scene that they call back to in a little bit when she's with Angie and Whitney talking about Lisa. She's always just kind of there.

She stands up for the people that she thinks are her friends. so she can throw that out there. She's very aware that the camera's there, unlike Heather. And she just kind of takes what she gets, you know, and then moves on. And then she uses moments like this to sprinkle a little bit out there. This is why she's playing very well. She's playing the game. I don't really think that what she did at the camp.

While it was funny to watch, I don't think it was a good move. It's too soon. Way too soon. At the campground. At the campground. This moment I didn't mind. Oh, here I was fine with. Because she goes, I'm surprised that.

I was invited by Heather. I'm also surprised that Whitney and Heather are hosting this event because Whitney had some not nice things to say about Heather. That's all you need to say, and you're right, if she had bit her tongue later on, let that fester, because you don't have to do much. That has been a recurring theme. Whitney talking shit about Heather, Heather not taking it well.

You could have just said that and waited. That would have blown up eventually, but I do think that when we get to it later, because it's Bronwyn at the helm, no matter what Whitney said, Heather was going to be like, oh, no, we're fine. Yeah.

Because she's not... It happens all the time. We're good. Yeah. Exactly. But had it come out organically or somebody else brought that up, and I guess Lisa is the one that forested,

she's like, Bronwyn, what did she say? But if that had come up a different time, that could have caused a big rift between Heather and Whitney. Because it's only a matter of time before the two of them already create their own rift. Absolutely. Through their own actions, which we see at least once a season. and it's inevitable it's going to happen in the next couple of weeks for sure if that information

came out then yes for sure i don't think it needed to come out right now i think it's just like oh that's kind of interesting i agree i agree i didn't mind this frankly i don't have to say i think what she probably should have done is don't say because we saw a little bit later lisa as soon as she gets brought into it just throws shit out there oh yeah that just you know deflecting all over the tizzy and then just starts pointing fingers yeah and it creates chaos which is really fun to watch on tv but for brumwin's play here all you have to say is oh i didn't really think that Heather and Whitney were that close? And then just leave it there. Just let it go, let people think about it. And then later you can bring up that Whitney's saying things about

Heather or Heather saying things about Whitney, whatever way you want to go, whatever works better. Then you do it later when they're already kind of on edge. And don't say what she said. Just be like, look, I'm not getting involved. I just, I was surprised that you guys are hosting something together, given what Whitney said about you. And then walk away. Yeah. Like that bomb and walk away. She points out the hypocrisy once more. It's weird that there's this double standard with Bronwyn compared to the rest of the group. Everyone does this. We're watching this episode. People spin truths. People spin their own narratives.

People do shit to other people that has been done to them in the past. That's arguably this group is one of the most hypocritical groups and housewives, which is saying a lot because housewives in general are fairly hypocritic. So it's, I like that she continues to point it out. And I think maybe that has something to do with it because Heather's one of the biggest hypocrites of them. I love Heather. not great this season.

I'm usually a Heather fan. But she does this all the time. She plays all different sides and she gets lost along the way and then ends up putting her foot in her mouth and not looking great as we're watching literally happen this season. So I think that's probably the root

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