Bros & Shows - Mary Farted and Heather Calls Out Lisa Barlow (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

What's up Bros? What an episode. Angie attempts to bridge the gap between her and Mary. Heather takes it upon herself to call LB out. Meredith is trying to stay neutral. Brittani sits down with her daughter Olivia. Kudos to Olivia, she was awesome. Heather plans a trip to Nevis but is concerned that the rift between LB and the group is going to cause an issue. Lisa and JB Husband Boss have a discussion about communication and it seems like everyone has an issue with Lisa, but according to Lisa, its not her fault... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, it appears we may have some disagreements on this one, but we had a big episode from Heather, whether you liked it or not. It was a big episode out of Heather. There's a neutral statement for us. How about that? That's a very neutral statement. It was a big action-packed episode for Heather. We'll go there. Shows, Brows and shows.

I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Rose and shows. I got to have me my Brows and shows. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another. episode of Bros and Shows, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Ross Lick McGee. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot. We've got our members here tonight. That

won't distract us at all. These people interjecting with their comments and jokes, definitely won't take my eye off the ball tonight. But we've got just another outstanding episode of Salt Lake City. It's just, it's so consistent. It's so much better than every other franchise. And I'm even saying it's better than Miami. And Miami is probably second best, but it is a distant second best. This is just great TV. And I feel like this was, we've had a lot of arguments. We've had a lot of voice phrasing.

This was such a good, complete episode with everybody involved. And that's what you want to see from a show like this. And I think it highlights the fact that this group actually cares about one another. So you get all of these scenes that are cohesive, that they are communicating how they're feeling. People are listening to how they're feeling. It's changing relationships. It's remembering and calling back to the fact that our relationship was different prior. We're getting a lot of in-depth analysis out of these ladies, a lot of good conversations,

and a lot of stuff that we just do not get on other shows anymore. This is bringing us back to some of the glory days of Housewives. And this is what these shows were back in the day, and they were consistently this. So to have this going on right now, I'm going to say every week, I think, let's enjoy this time that we are in right now everybody because we may not get this again ever and just to be clear this is episode five i don't know because the damn actually you know what wait i think i figured it's episode dead yeah go ahead divided by two yes that that's all of the episodes see but that's that's going to fuck me up to because you would think episode number

one would be episode number one but episode 10 is actually episode five it's very confusing it's just pissing me off still. I'm going to talk about it every day until peacock gets rid of that feature. It's so annoying. But that being said, it feels like we're at a good point in the season. It's still early. They should put all of their eggs in this basket. And we should actually get a good 18, 19 episode season. Like, don't do that shit with OC. Don't do that shit with Beverly Hills. Nobody wants that. Absolutely nobody wants that. There's one person in our audience that's listening right now that does want that he doesn't count everybody else it counts for them we don't want that we don't want to be sitting here for six months talking about beverly hills and oc i do want to

sit here and talk for six months about salt lake i would talk about salt lake for a year easily and yeah no more no more privacy just cameras all the time for these people yeah 24 seven we demand it but they need to do a new system in which if a season sucks whack it it 15 done no matter what's going on you could be the middle of a storyline cut it just accelerate it i mean we even saw that with miami at the end of miami season it seems like everybody was pretty much done we felt like there was more or like there was another event that should have happened but instead i remember the the season finale we have like three events in one episode they just accelerated it because everybody was kind of checked out they need to do that for other shows

when we just get completely disinterested or, you know, you have an OC situation where, yeah, we've agreed. Well, actually, we didn't really agree. I thought the last episode of OC was a little bit better and it was just kind of a good filler episode. You didn't think so at all. But that being said, it's been a little bit better than what it was in the beginning of the season.

Agreed. At that point, we're just kind of waiting for the reunion. Just accelerate it. Like one episode in Amsterdam is enough for me. I don't need any more. Just make it action-packed. Make it 54 minutes like you usually do for those important episodes. just do that for me and then just get me to the reunion at that point.

And the funny thing is, like, this is what happens when shows are as bad as O.C. We talk about it on every single show that we do now. Yeah. Everyone, because we can't get away from it. And we apologize to you for having to listen to it. But this is our payback because you guys make us watch it. So now we're making you listen to more of it. How about that?

Yeah. And then we get bad reviews because people can't really fathom why we're still watching it. But they don't understand that when we put out an episode and we look at the metrics within the first 48 hours, it's doing better than most of our other shows. Because people tune in to listen to us, hate watch it. And most of those people aren't even watching it anymore. They just want to hear us recap it so they know what's going on. And they can go tell their friends or they can go look at things on Twitter and understand the context. But here we are just doing the job that nobody wants to do.

We're the sewage guys. That's what we are. We used to be men of the night. You remember when we were men of the night? Oh, yeah. That was the best. The first couple of weeks that we started, we just recorded at like 9 p.m. 10 p.m. every night because we thought that it was super important that we did that. We thought the time was.

Yeah. Now we're like, look it. OC aired on Thursday. Let's just record on Tuesday. Well, that's because it falls on the weekend and we have other things to get to before that. So that's why OC gets pushed and it's also because we don't like it. But yeah, uh, anyway, we're here to talk about Salt Lake. And one thing quickly, uh, Ryan said, well,

someone's watching OC because the ratings are good people watch Beverly Hills the ratings are great and everyone shits on it except like five people so that's not indicative of a good show it's old people that aren't on social media that have a T-vode that's what it has to be probably just the download count yep yeah yep but we're not here to talk about OC anymore we're here to talk about Salt Lake this was better than last week I think and last week was exceptional and I think they're too different kinds of episodes, but it shows you the range that this crew has, which is awesome. So you just want to jump right in because I'm curious about your Heather take now. Yeah, let's get right into this. All right. So we start out with Angie and Heather, and they're doing a little FaceTime. Love that Heather's using whipped cream. Every time I have whipped cream at home, I never use it enough.

Is it whipped cream or is it that cold foam? Oh, I don't know. I thought it was whipped cream. Who was it one of the housewives? She sprayed it out of a bottle. Yeah, I know, but they do spray it out of the bottle, the cold foam especially. They have it. It's, I don't know if it's Nestley or Nest Cafe.

No, go, you know what it was? It was Love Island. When we were watching Love Island, it was sponsored by, I think it was Ness Cafe. And it was, remember they all had like the cold foam and everything? Yeah. They just kind of kept showing it like product placement. That's what it is. My big problem with this.

And this isn't my problem with Heather, because this would be really funny if it was. did you see where she keeps her fucking K-cups? What the hell is that? No, I was writing. First off, oh, okay, so first off, when you're rich and I see a curing in your house, I get pissed off immediately. Yeah, I'm upset as well. Really? Are you fucking kidding me? How many coffee scenes do we see in these shows where you guys are getting coffee dates?

And you're always getting something fun, like a steamer or something later that Brittany refers to, which is we'll get to that. Heather has a basic model, Kehrig problem for me right away. she opens her top drawer which is usually reserved for you know some dish towels or something it is just a mess of cake cups it is just a full on like she opened the box and just dumped it into the drawer and shut the door it really irritated me it was very messy and i don't like it i agree with the cake up thing because in my head it's like at least get it in espresso you know yes at the very least an espresso steps it up a little bit if you're not like a coffee person or you're just like you're okay with whatever and you just kind of want something quick you should still get an espresso over a fucking here you're I think, yeah, Nespresso. It's a little bit, a little bit fancier. Nothing crazy. And if you're really rich, you get a Jura. Those are the greatest.

I had a private dinner last Thursday. And the, they're everywhere. Any rich persons else I go into, they all have them. I was so excited. I was like, do you want anything to drink? And I was like, is that a Jura? He's like, it is. I was like, I'm going to have eight cups of coffee tonight.

I'm going to drink you out of house and home because I'm so excited for the Jera. But Angie and Heather are FaceTiming. And Angie's upset about how things went down with Mary, and she feels bad for going after a little bit. And she also explains this situation. I think it's important just to lay out the foundation of like the Lisa Barlow thing. And I think Heather does a good job as well. The history of everything. Like we forget this route that we've taken to get to this point because so much is happening.

But I think it's important to note that she's like, I was so close with Lisa. Like we were sisters, this, that, the other. I'm like that with Mary now. And with Lisa, I spend so much, like the self-awareness of Angie is always great. She's like I spend so much time worried about this Lisa thing. Meanwhile, what I do actually care about is my friendship with Mary, and that's falling at the wayside. So I like this analysis. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought that this was a very big prove the haters wrong episode for Angie and Mary's friendship. Because a lot of us, it was a bit of a head scratcher when it started. We didn't really see it coming. Honestly, Mary getting close to anybody was really tough. to digest in the first place. It's getting easier now.

Yeah, and watching the two of them become friends, it was a little weird and uncomfortable. I didn't know what to think of it. Then we just kind of got used to it. Now watching an actual issue between the two of them and them sit down and talk it out, this was just real friendship. That's what this was. There was nothing played up here. Mary, I don't think can play anything up.

I think she just is who she is. But Angie was very real about it. And the way that she was talking to Heather about it, she really wanted to repair the friendship. She didn't want things to go by the wayside. Yeah, exactly. And I like that Heather is talking about Lisa and not talking about her in a way where it's like, oh, you know, Lisa's going to be Lisa. It's saying that I need Lisa to acknowledge her part in all of these issues that we're having.

Because if you look around the group right now, especially, most people have an issue with Lisa. And now it's also rehashing the issues they've had in the past. The only one that's standing firm at this point is Meredith. And I guess Brittany, but she's, you know, off on her own little island. It's your sister. Come on. Yeah.

Yeah, whatever. That's, I always forget she said that. Oh, my God. Yeah, sister from another mister. Come on. But I was impressed that Heather brought this up, like right out of the gate, because we've wanted Heather to check Lisa for a while. We've wanted her to acknowledge that there's this crazy double standard throughout

the group when it comes to Lisa Barlow. She never holds her to the same level as anybody else. Yeah. I mean, we've seen a couple of people try to kind of nip at the heat. of Lisa while she's going through this. And it's usually all under the same guise of we just want her to be accountable and hold herself accountable, take some responsibility, maybe actually apologize and not just talk over us while we're apologizing and then assume that everything's good and we can move

forward, but she's not really good. She's just going to hold on to that and use it against me in the future. That's what we've seen for years. And usually I'm not for a gang up, but I think if they do it in the right way, it's going to feel a lot different than a gang up, like maybe we're watching on Potomac towards Stacey or that we've seen on another house by franchises in the past. This is almost like a, I want to call it like a realization wake up call for Lisa, where if everybody kind of says the same thing and they're on the same page, including

her husband, then maybe, maybe she'll start to listen. You know what I mean? And Heather even says that in this scene where she's talking to Angie. Deep down, she feels like Lisa Barlow can take accountability. She feels like she can realize that maybe she is the problem in some regard, but she's never seen it. None of us have ever seen it either. She's never done it on this show once. But deep down, maybe it's there.

So this is maybe, I don't want to call it a last ditch effort, but this is at least an approach that we can kind of get behind that, yeah, it's going to be in the form of gang up, which we don't like. But if the end result is fine, I'll take some responsibility and accountability and try to move forward and actually repair some friendships, that's great for the show. So if that's what we need to do, which it seems like we do, because it is. sort of a last-ditch effort in that regard, then go for it. Why not? Yeah, I think that, again, the gang-ups aren't ever fun. We don't like those. This is different just because of the sheer stubbornness of Lisa Barlow and inability to see what other people see. Like, it's actually fascinating to a certain extent that she's just completely blind to all of this. So yeah, I chalk it up to like a reality check. Like, this is a reality check that we need, honestly, to be able to get Lisa

reacclimated with the group because where they stand now, the majority of the group is not going to be okay brushing this one and she needs to be able to take some accountability to reenter the group so we can have fun scenes because Lisa Barlow and she's fun is a blast and we need those scenes for this show to be at its best. So yeah, just I chalk it up to a much needed reality check. Yeah, it's almost like the bridges are currently burning, but maybe we can put out the fires to at least a couple of them to get Lisa back into the fold. Because if she's on the outs looking in and every scene with the group is like this, it's going to be tough to move forward and it's going to get old very quickly. Agreed. Yeah, I agree. And one thing that I want to

note here, thanks to our amazing members, Deirdre pointed out that she was Mormon, right? So didn't drink coffee for a while. So maybe she's just getting into the coffee game, which is why the curing is so basic so it's like a learner's permit sure yeah we'll go with that it doesn't make you feel any better but it's it's a yeah it makes sense yeah it makes sense we're still you know you're rich so buy an espresso machine then learn how to use it but yeah no i hear you come out let's get to todwin as i'm calling them now uh an ice cream date huh yeah todwin in an ice cream date oh and this is why i said i'm going to go week to week on old todrick because Because I'm going to see the scene with Todd.

Yeah, maybe, maybe seen, maybe like camera cut to camera cut because Jesus, dude, this was so hard to watch to see Bronwyn trying everything to just have like a cute fun ice cream date, like talking about what the party was like, talking about the sidekick, like just trying to get anything out, an emotional response of any, any nature. And he's like, mm, yep, uh, he's so disinterested, he's irritated at the premise of having an ice cream date with Bronwyn. He's clearly thinking about a million phone calls he could be making for his business or something. And he's more or less like rolling her, rolling his eyes at her every time that she opens her mouth. And she's just trying to be excited and cute. Yeah.

Um, I mean, these scenes with the two of them are always very tough to get through. They've been tough to get through since we met Todd. it's tough too because I know what it is. He doesn't want her on the show. He doesn't understand why she's still in the show. I'm going to save a longer explanation for that for the end of the episode. But for this scene in particular, it started off very weird for me because Brahman does this. And look, this is probably just her anxiety.

And it's probably just how she's been treated by her mother, as we saw already, her entire life and probably how she's been treated with Todd. But it seemed incredibly played up and incredibly fabricated. where she was almost like rehearsing lines and trying to talk to Todd and it's like, you guys don't talk like this. Just be normal. And I don't think she can. And I don't really think that's her fault.

I think that's the dynamic that we're in right now with the cameras there, with how Todd's going to be, that she's just incredibly nervous to even talk to her husband on camera because he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to be films, but he's there because he's your husband.

And this is your cute little project as he put it last year. Now, that being said, the whole scene changed immediately. And it started when he took her fucking cherry. What a dick back. What a complete bag of dicks. She just said, I hate it when you take my cherry.

I want to save it until the end and eat my cherry. He takes it right away. What a bag of dicks. As soon as that happens, she dropped the whole, hey, let's just talk about my day. Let's just talk about this. You guys don't talk like that. It dropped immediately. She got hurt right away and then goes right into it.

He could not care less. And this was a very tough tant scene. Yeah. And the cherry thing, it seems annoying and innocuous. But I think it has a. much deeper meaning. I think it shows, like, I don't really give a shit what you're saying. I don't, I'm not invested enough to even hear you when you say, don't eat my cherry or I hate when you eat the cherry. I really think that it doesn't register in his head, especially when he

eats the cherry, she calls him out and he goes, literally. Yeah. Like, dude, you dick. I get it when she's when she's recapping the party and she goes into the the psychotherapist or whatever the fuck he was. What was he? Was he a, uh, I don't know, like coach, he was a psychic. I think she I think she, I think she said

he was a psychic. Yeah, Terrence. Terence was a media. Yeah. And she said he was a psychic. I get that. I mean, how many times do I have this discussion on this show about how I don't believe in any of that? I still think it was highly entertaining last week and more entertaining than most of the weird scenes that we see with these people.

mostly life coaches but them and Angie's horse did get hurt and Angie's horse did get hurt no no no no her real horse got hurt oh did it really yep yeah that's kind of a shot in the dark no horse is going to hurt all the time oh come on anyway so like I but like what I'm saying is foundationally I get it of course you don't believe in that you're a numbers guy cold and calculated that's how you made your money you don't give a fuck what a psychic's going to say I understand, but at least act like you're somewhat interested in what your wife is saying. If you're going to take the time out of your day to go to a fucking ice cream parlor and sit down with her, talk to her. It's not like she just busted into your office with a bunch of cameras and

you're in the middle of a fucking meeting. And she's like, hey, I got to tell you about the psychic I met the other day. Yeah, sure, sure away. This is how you're making money. You want to pay for the Amex card. Get the fuck out of my office. I get that. In the ice cream parlor, when you guys are on a date, she can't even talk to you. What are we doing here? I don't know. I don't know, it was so, it was so upsetting to watch. Like, I was just bummed out for her. And it was uncomfortable. The played upness of it, I don't think is her trying to, like, do something for us at home.

Or it's like, oh, I'm going to, I do think it's played up. And she practiced her lines, but I think that was a two-parter. I think, one, she's trying her best to change the perception of Todd. She's trying to give him softballs to hit out of the park here. And he's whiffing every time. And two, I think she wants that. that to be their dynamic. I think she just wants him to humor me at the very least, like just lean in a little bit. And you can tell after the cherry thing and then after everything

falls apart and she really gets into it where she's like, I'm excited. And all I want is like acceptance. I just want you to accept that I'm excited about this. I know you don't like the psychic thing, but just again, humor me. Be my husband. Be a supportive husband, not an unsupportive bag of dicks as you've said already so i think that she's this is a lot because i think it's on camera for the show and i think it also goes much deeper than that and we're watching a very interesting marriage have you seen the uh the theory that's circulating on twitter about these two no that brahmun only did this show in the first place so that she could get taught on camera then make it uncomfortable so that he could divorce him yeah i did see that one it's look i mean

It is a wild theory that somebody might do that, that Bromwood would be that calculated. But every week and every scene that these two have together, it does kind of seem like it. Look, if he's going to be that big of a dick, I'm cool with it. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with it.

No issues here. Even if there is a pre-up involved, there's probably something in there. There's loop holes. Yeah, there's something in there. He probably just want to settle it so he can make it go away. He doesn't want this. I bet by buying.

By buying that house in Utah, there's probably something that he's unaware of, that Bronwyn knew. In Utah, there's no way there's laws in Utah for the women. That's what I'm, oh, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, never mind. Mm-mm. I'm sure if she screwed herself with that one.

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tough scene again. Tough scene because you're watching You know what this was? This was the extended version of the scene that we had last year where he was talking to her and she just went right back to her phone. This was like, if you told me that this was filmed immediately after that, I'd be like,

yeah, of course it was. Like, he's referencing that. It was so funny, but not funny. Like, it's sad. Yeah, but it's also like you're watching two people talk about two different things. Like, they're talking about the same thing, but with totally different perspectives on the entire matter because...

Well, what a spin, though? Because she starts talking about the psychic just like Bromwin did, and obviously her husband didn't engage. J.B. took it a whole different way. He spun it back around and he's like, no, I can kind of see what the psychic is talking about. And Lisa's like, what the fuck? What are we doing here? What do you mean?

Like, oh, you think it is? Like, the communication and they're discussing it back and forth, like, where this all falls apart. As she's talking via confessional and laying this whole thing out, I'm like, that's not what's going on. And from what we've seen, because her whole thing is, and this is valid in a of ways where it's like I'm working a ton my schedule's crazy it's the two ships passing in the night kind of thing she feels like she's taken for granted and that jb husband boss doesn't listen

all we've ever seen from lisa barlow is her ignored everybody not just jb husband boss but it goes back to that exact senior referencing she asked him a question he responds to the question and during his response, she's texting someone else to the point that she says, what? You asked him a question. So from what we've gotten is you don't pay any attention to him. And when you do want something from him, you ask him something and you don't wait long enough for the answer.

From what I've seen, anything that he's tried to communicate to you, Lisa, you have not paid attention to whatsoever. So this communication breakdown from the evidence that we've gotten is on you, to the point that we get another little question. clip of the apartment thing with Jack and she's like wait you you wanted him to move into that apartment it's like Jesus guys like you should know where your son wants to live like collectively as a family unit and I don't think that it was jb husband boss's lack of inquiry or lack of bringing up the topic that's that's not why you don't know what's going on it probably was discussed and

you probably didn't listen yeah this is one of the rare scenes where we're actually on the side of the husband on one of these shows I know and it's all based on what we've seen. And I get that it's kind of unfair for us to have a picture painted in our brains about what their marriage is like. But we've seen so much of the two of them communicate. And if we're just going to look at the communication, we know what we're talking about because we've seen enough. We have enough evidence on camera over the last six seasons to show us, yeah, that's what you do. You don't listen. So I'm going to assume that when John's talking about what's going on with the kids or Jack moving.

out and getting an apartment, you're probably not listening. And again, John even says, you have this whole thing in your brain where when I'm talking, you've already decided that you're right. So in your head, you're right. And I'm completely wrong. So I'm the only one who's ever wrong, but you're always right. And he just kind of doubles and triples down on that. I think it did strike a court with Lisa, which is good. I mean, she didn't pick up her phone and start texting immediately, which was a good sign. She was actually actively listening. Maybe the psychic did hear in a good way and push her in a good direction to communicate with her husband. And it's just, it's like ass backwards.

I don't know what to think the fact that we're siding with a husband. And again, I know. I don't think that Lisa is a bad person. But if we're just talking about the communication and their relationship, yeah, I'm on John's side. It's hard not to be on John's side. And the things that he's saying in this moment all correlate to what we've already seen. Like you said, you don't want to hear what I have to say because in your head you're already right. The other day, and she references this.

And that was even more shocking. She's like, the other day you said, if you listen to me, it'll make me feel like what I have to say matters. And he says, like, and I think you're on to something there. But like, it goes both ways. It's like, no. Like, no, dude, you had it for a second. And then you flip it back on yourself. And then you go to a confession and you say, treat me like glass because I'm fragile.

If you want to be treated a certain way, treat your husband a certain way. Give him the time of day. They don't do that in Mormonism. Treat your neighbor like yourself. No. Oh, you're right. Yeah. You're right.

By bad. Yeah. I just. Okay. It's on glass references and more minutes. It was glass only. It was just crazy. And like the cherry on top, Todd, is the scene ends.

Hey, you don't give that cherry to Todd. No, don't even point out the charity to Todd. Rodwin. That's your cherry. Damn. Damn. Well, like I was saying, the scene ends with Lisa going. And this is the biggest dagger, I think, and the biggest indicator that there's way more here.

And J.B. husband boss is not happy with where they're at. Yeah. Nobody's perfect. But he's not that he's not happy. It's that he's fucking hurt. And that's what made it sad. Like, it's very sad to watch. It's not even like, we've seen a lot of arguments between housewives and their husbands.

And again, most of the time we're on the housewives side. This one, it was really sad to watch him, like, break it down and talk about and reference discussions that you've had. where he says, if you just listen to me every once in a while, it makes me feel really good. Makes me feel like I matter. Like, damn. It's brutal. It is.

And nobody's perfect at the end from her. And he says, you are. It's just me that's not. I was like, this man is hurt. Yeah. This man is hurt. Hurt people hurt people. And he's getting there.

He's going to hurt. Yeah. He's going to go scorched earth on somebody. But I think the craziest thing to watch them, we'll move on to Angie and Mary. is watching her rationalize it throughout, whether it be confessional or in real time. It's like none of this is landing on you.

Not one of the things he's saying is resonating like, oh, maybe I'm the problem, ever. That's kind of scary. Anyway, let's get to Angie and Mary for one of my favorite scenes ever, I think, just the roller coaster that we went on with this. Mary arrives. Obviously, they have a lot to discuss. There's a lot of tension that needs to be hopefully clear.

up, and you can tell immediately that Angie is walking on all of the eggshells, not even eggshells. She's walking on full eggs, trying not to... Do you think it smells like eggs in there? I think I just, am I that stupid? Hold on. So in my head, walking on eggshells, the eggs are cracked and you're walking on the shell of the egg, and they're fragile.

Is walking on egg shells walking on an uncracked egg, but you're walking on the shell and you don't want to break it? I always thought this is a deep discussion. I always thought it was something is unbothered over here, like a sleeping giant, and you're walking on eggshells trying not to break the eggshells to wake up the sleeping giant so that you would disrupt him. So it's like you're trying not to disrupt the other person. That's why you're walking on eggshells, but you're trying not to make noises.

That's what it is, I think. Okay, I'm going to need the members to, I know it's a 10 second delay. to do your thing and let us know. Yeah, you guys let us know. We'll keep going. But Angie's walking on all the eggshells. She gets Mary her favorite drink, which looked like a C4 or something,

which was really funny. I'm not sure what it actually was, but it wasn't the sugar-free version. And she doesn't do that. It's like seven cups of sugar in there. And you don't drink it either, Angie. You know what it was probably like a bang energy or something? That's what I thought, like a C-4.

Same thing. Ghost. Yeah. I don't know. I don't drink any of those things. I've just gotten on a ghost kick lately. Oh, boy. A ghost kick and a fucking value meal?

You're right? I'm going off the rails, dude. Things are getting crazy over here. But Angie starts to get into it. And she acknowledges the most important thing, which is, look, I know you're trying to help, and I'm sorry that I went after you. It wasn't my intention. Things got so crazy.

And I don't want to allow anybody to full. me and Mary cuts her off pretty quickly and it's like well you're turning into the bully you're becoming all of these things that you're against and this is a tough one because Mary's right in a lot of ways but I see where Angie's coming from I think what sums it up the best is they eventually get to after the great line of you're my sister she's like I still I should find another one K love that line but it eventually gets to because you're so focused on Lisa because this fight has become so polarizing in your brain

you're not even thinking or hearing me on the side you're allowing this person to affect our friendship which to Mary is a huge deal because as she says like when I love somebody I really love them I believe her I believe she's all in so this has now left Lisa versus Angie and she's

allowing it to affect them and Mary doesn't fuck with that no Mary doesn't fuck with that I thought that she chose her words incredibly well I don't even want to say carefully because I don't think Mary does a lot of things carefully but she is always poignant when she's getting to some sort of issue or some sort of situation and a lot of times when we see her have an issue with another woman in the group she just kind of moves forward so the fact that she's willing to come over to angie's

house and hash it out i think angie even realized like okay that means i still have a chance here it means i'm not closed out and obviously you know the trailer leading into it showed just what mary said find another sister and it's like fuck is that how we end like are you guys going to be on the outs for a while because that would actually kind of bother me but instead we keep going of course. I do think that it's very interesting, though, with Mary, the way that she's talking about the way that Angie is approaching Lisa, it's a lot more similar to what we just talked about yesterday the day before with Gretchen and Tamara. Now, obviously, this is on a much better level, a much more entertaining level. And Angie and Mary both have friends and the other two

don't have real friends. So, you know, this one actually matters. The other one doesn't matter. But it's fighting fire with fire. And when you're fighting fire, with fire and trying to stoop down to that level. And you can even throw what Todd says at the end of this episode in there as well. You're getting down in the sewage. You're getting down in the slime. Do you really want to be down there? Because somebody like Mary's not going to stoop that low and your friends aren't going to

stoop that low. And then you're going to be stuck there by yourself. And are you going to feel good about that? And I think that that's exactly what Angie needed to hear. And I think for us, too, at home, that's what she needed to hear. Because I don't really want to watch the two of them just go back and forth. Last week was entertaining. If it happened again next week or the week after, which it very well,

could, it's probably going to get a little irritating because nothing gets accomplished when you're just screaming at each other. Lisa already does that so well. We don't need another Lisa on this show. We need somebody else to counteract it. And that's what Angie could be if she was just calm the fuck down and just listen to what Lisa is saying. And we said it last week, either one of them could have stopped and won. And neither of them could stop. That's all you really have to do it. If this is what Mary needs to do for Angie to realize, hey, you keep doing this. I'm not going to be your friend anymore. That might be enough of a wake up call for Angie to stop doing that shit and just sit there and let it happen and then at least some of it would dissolve

and then maybe we can kind of move on to other things yeah i think that if anyone has a chance to break through it's mary and i do think watching angie over the past few years i do think that she's going to hear her and i do think she's going to try her best to implement this which solves pretty much everything because what lisa's going to end up doing is shooting herself in the foot because it goes back to last week had you stopped you would have won. So if you now are able to control yourself, let LB go off the rails, you're going to come out smelling like flowers. You're going to be just fine.

And you're also going to be able to maintain your friendship with Mary, which I think I speak for everyone. We all need you guys to be friends. We love this friendship that you do have. I don't want that to go away. I was really thinking on this. I don't even think that it matters that Angie's that person. I think it's just anybody on the show being close friends with Mary is very interesting to me. Yeah, I agree.

And you could interchange it with anybody. I think it would be wackiest if Whitney was the one closest to her. That'd be fun. We're getting a little closer. So we're close to that one. But Angie being that person for the stand-in, we want her to be friends. Because I do think that Mary's the type of person, if this friendship were to go wayward, she probably wouldn't trust anybody else in the group again. And I don't want that to happen because we've seen that with Mary where she isolates.

She just kind of goes and does her own thing. Everybody goes to these group-building activities and then she goes to McDonald's. And I don't want to see that again. That was funny while it lasted. But I don't want to get back to that, Mary. This Mary is engaged in the group. She's got a lot going on. And she's sharing a personal side of her life.

That's perfect. And she's very interesting and she's very good for the show. And I think this is one of those cruxes that's just going to hold her up there. I agree. And they really start getting into it. You know, Ange has been acting differently lately. You know, you're throwing tantrums. It feels like you're going backwards.

I don't know who you are. And you've been a little mean. Angie? Yeah. You've been a little mean to me. Oh, God. like I'm sorry for yelling at you that no no when I farted I laughed so hard I was I was crying laughing did you just say far this exactly and it went on for five full minutes and it was

exhilarating it was so funny I loved every second of it I couldn't believe it the longer it went the funnier it God I was like well no because in the beginning I was like uh anybody else would be kidding i was like mary's probably serious then she gets into like the details which i was thrilled about i was like please keep going as long as you can i know and she was like first of all the dog farted and i was like well you just said you farted she's like but the dog farted and it smelled and then you blamed me and you go through the whole scene and it's like i think there was three fart comments made by angie which i think is within reason right i see i thought it was a little much i thought she was going over to i thought two should have

been fine but I think she went three or four even and that was way too much I think the two comments were good you and I if we just kept going back and forth I think we could get to like five or six before one of us would be like shut the fuck up yeah but those two I could see it you know once or twice fine funny whatever let's move on Angie was milking that for all it's worth and that's another thing again we praise the producers on this show what a creative decision to not use that scene where they're sitting at Angie's house at all. Just don't use it at all and just cherry pick these little fart comments because that was perfect.

And I don't care what else happened. Something else groundbreaking could have happened in that scene. There's no point in playing that because I just want to see the little flashback while Mary's telling this whole story. Yeah, the comedic value is far surpassing any drama that could have happened there. Yeah. She's like, and you should know that the dog farted that time because my farts don't smell. you've been around my farts.

I eat really healthy. You know that my farts don't smell. By the way, let's just throw this one out there. The people who eat the healthiest have the most rank farts. They are the worst smelling farts, so that's wrong. Yep, that's actually factual because of all the fiber, you know, broccoli, protein shakes. My God. Sorry to anyone in my vicinity most days.

But it was great. It was really great. She's like, you don't even know if I've smelled your fart. It's like, and Angie, sweet Angie is trying her best because she knows that Mary's being serious to not laugh. I know, and she was holding it together so well. She really did a good job not laughing. I don't, 99.9% of the population does not get through that conversation without a giggle. Not at all.

Not a lot. She maintained. But don't worry. We get through it. Everybody hugs. We're fine. We are able to move forward, which I'm happy about. especially because Mary was going into that conversation,

pretty much just tell her off and leave from what she says at the end. So nice work, Angie. I'm glad Mary talked some sense into her, hopefully. I think that was really important because Angie has the potential to be a top-tier housewife. And I think with this little nugget of information here, an important one, it will allow her to take that next step rather than get bogged down with the shit that she's doing with Lisa.

So it's just, it's as simple as pick and choose your battles. You don't have to go 100% every single time that you butt heads with Lisa. You can go 50%. You can go 0% if you want to. Just take a step back. And it'll still have the same effect. And I think if that gets through to Angie with anybody, honestly, and she's going to have drama with other people on the cast, that's what's holding her back.

Because I agree with you. I think she's quirky enough. She's rich enough. And she has enough going on. And she's got a good personality where she can be somebody who stays around for years and years and years, but it's not going to work that well if you're doing this. If what we saw last week is something that you're

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I was like, are you going to be able to follow through with this? Yeah. Buckle under the pressure. You're going to be able to reel it in and do the job that we all need you to do. They're shopping together. And Elby's super excited because it's a luxury trip. They're going to a super yacht. And it's this.

That's all the things. she covets in life and immediately she takes a little shot at angie it'll be cool for angie she's never been to anything like this so like it'll be really cool for her to have the first time in a luxury trip i didn't even mention the fact that earlier she's like it's only for three days i'm used to seven or ten i no longer believe that i no longer believe that i don't but like at the same time even if it is we get it like i i know we know you don't have to talk about it do you think that it's running but it's the same energy you know what this This is what confused me.

In the same breath, she says, I'm used to more like a seven to eight, 10 day trip. And then she also says, oh, we get to use our passport. That seems like somebody who never leaves the country that's like, wow, I'm so excited to use my passport. Right. Then she says I'm used to a seven to 10 day trip. Like, that's just weird. And it's not like quirky fun. Like, I'm really excited to go on the trip with everybody.

It's still got that air of I'm used to so much more elegance. And this is going to be fun, but it's not going to be what I did with Ben. It's like, all right, enough, we get it. Like, it's just, it's more of the same from her, which is kind of getting annoying. It's very stagnant from LB, and I don't really like that. And she hasn't been stagnant before. So I'm going to give her a bit of a pass and just see how she gets through this one. But I don't know.

I've got a lot of questions after this scene from LB with that. And having that wad of a hundreds, that was just to show off like, this is, see, I pay with cash. I don't pay with credit cards or borrow somebody's credit card. I use cash. It's like, okay, all right, enough. We get it. Most of us could go get a lot of cash out and make it look like we have money. Just don't fucking want to.

Yeah, that seems stupid and flashy. And it actually points to the opposite. If I see a lot of hundreds and you're claiming to be super wealthy and this is a question mark now, I'm going to go the other way. I'm not going to be like, that's confirmation right there. She's got cash. Yeah. It was actually direct, it was directly attacking you from last week because you said that you believe that Angie's more liquid.

she's like watch this steal up get cashed come on you want to see some liquidity here's a stack of hundreds to go clothes shopping with i don't know i don't know but heather immediately checks the the shit talking which i was i was like okay we're off on the right start she's like i'm not going to sit here and haze angie she's like look i'm just sick of her attacks i think she takes joy in it heather checks her again she's like no she seems pretty upset actually by all of this and you can watch her in real time at no point did it look like she was enjoying all of that it just looked like she had hit her limit pretty broken yeah exactly broken's a good word if she's yelling at mary she's lost all self-control and not having a good time what i was

certainly not expecting was this line because lb goes well why is she crying because she's a mean bitch it's like well if she's a mean bitch then you're a mean bitch and i was like whoa didn't expect Heather to drop that bomb. And Lisa brings it back to what she keeps bringing it back to. Well, she went after my son's brand. Like, that's so gross. I wouldn't do that. That happened.

And then you guys made up immediately thereafter at the poster board luncheon. That was a one-off and it was done. You rehashed it. You started it up again. Angie apologized almost instantly for bringing up your kid. so when you say that people don't take accountability when you say i need her to take accountability which is a big part of this conversation she did and you accepted it and then you decided to throw it back at her and start this over again further proving heather's

point but it's completely lost on i mean like right over her head yeah it's right over her head it's going to be more of the same and i do like that the root principle here is everybody's somewhat getting on board and obviously you know we'll talk about meredith in a second but the rest of the cast is getting on board with hold her accountable she needs to understand what she's doing and it seems like they're all on the same page which is good and that is what i want and again i love lb but if she's held accountable it brings her back down to earth she's getting a little too high and it's like it's an inauthentic high she's higher than everybody else in the cast but it's built on lies and it's built on bullshit it's a house of cards

it's a house of cards it needs to tumble and i'm not saying she needs to tumble all the way back and then start groveling and do all that. I just want her back to the same level, or at least close to everybody else. She wants to outgrow them. She wants to get so much further than them and then hold them down low and say, look, look how high I am.

Look who I'm hanging out with. And it just doesn't play that well. It's just kind of annoying. And they're like, yeah, a one-off comment here and there is fun. Flunt your wealth here and there. That's what we want to see. But not every second of every day.

Here's my problem with the Heather thing. I didn't expect it either. I didn't expect it either. The way that she's been talking, for the last couple of weeks. We kind of wrote it off, not really fully wrote it off, but we did say, let's see what she does when she goes face to face with her. Let's see what she does in a group setting. Let's see what she does when she's one-on-one with LB. This was the prove it. This was the show it. And she did. She actually came through and showed

it. One thing that stuck out to me, it seemed a little bit like she's been waiting for this. And it seems like something that she's been kind of putting in the back of her minds like, all right, maybe at some point I'll check her. Maybe at some point I'll check her. The other piece of this is every time and I need I if I'm the only person who's going to do it that I'm going to do it every time that Heather gets involved something bad goes wrong every single time that she steps up a little bit too much and we say oh fuck Heather that was really good good job something goes horribly wrong and then the season goes to shit so that's what I'm worried about and I'm look I'm not telling you to do it I'll take the accountability here I will do it I'll be the guy who's

going to say, all right, let's pump our breaks a little bit. You guys want to get really excited because Heather stepped up and did something good? Perfect. I think that she has. And the problem is two, three seasons ago, I was calling for this. I wanted her to do this. I wanted her to get involved. And then when she did get involved, it all fell apart.

And then it was annoying. So I don't want that to happen again. If this is just the first step where she's the one who's holding Lisa accountable, then we get to a group setting next week. And everybody's holding her accountable. and it's not just Heather leaving charge, good. Completely fine with that because that's a group setting and that's a pile on that's probably necessary at this point.

But if it's just Heather and she continues to do this and goes overboard, it's not going to look good. That's my only, that's my only quam. It's my only reservation. That's fine, actually. That makes me feel better because in the beginning, I was like, what could you possibly have seen that was wrong with that? Just past experiences with her.

Yeah, we've had those moments. I think why I have a little more optimism with this one than people in the comments over here have mentioned it. This was different as far as how she went about it. Like she was actually coming to her as a friend. Like she was not trying to stir the pot. She was definitely waiting for this moment. Like you said, this was definitely whether it needed to build up the courage or it's just the right time or for the camera.

I don't know. All three are acceptable answers. But you are right. when she's gotten involved in the past, it's been a bit of a shit show after she drops the bomb. She can't clean up afterwards. This was her desperately trying to reach her friend and say, I think the reason no one goes hard for you is because they've all been burned by you.

And of course, Lisa's like, oh my God, like how could you even say that? Every single person on the show has a history with you of going low. And she lists them off. And that's the funny thing. You can just say the whole group.

Like we keep trying to say, like we did it to Meredith, you did it to Whitney. You did it to all of them. They all have a bone to pick with you. It's just you've been Lisa Barlow and they've been overstepping it because they're like, I don't want to deal with it or I want to be friends with her, whatever. Now that Heather set the table as a friend, you know, you don't listen.

What else does she say? She acknowledges that Angie was right. She said, she's not wrong. We've all been bullied by you and we're all sick of being bullied by you. I was like, whoa, she's saying all the right things. But there is like an air of, she doesn't feel. good saying it. Like this is a fun time for Heather. And it's not like she's uncomfortable or scared to say it. It's that she really doesn't want to be put in this position, but it's gotten

to the point where there's, we're at the point of no return. If you keep going down this path, we're just going to completely ditch you. And again, that's also not good for the show. And that's why we need something like this. And if Heather's the person to do it, then that's fine. Again, I don't want her to fully leave the charge. I just want her to be the person to do it. But I did get that sense of, I don't really want to do this, but like, you've kind of given me no choice at this point because you're not part of the group anymore. And we as a group, you can go up to the camping site. They had fun. And they talked about a lot of shit. And yeah, they talked about Lisa, a good amount of that. But aside from that, they still had a good time. And they were

able to be a cohesive group. Every episode since then, when we're in a group setting and Lisa's there, she's got a problem with everybody. And everybody is coming out of the woodwork. She doesn't really had an active problem with Whitney, but her and Whitney don't get along. If somebody else has a problem with her, Whitney's going to tag along. So now you have the whole group kind of against you. Heather did this from a, I've got one foot with the rest of the group and the other foot somewhere in the middle. And it can get to your side if you just take some responsibility.

Then I could see, all right, if Lisa takes responsibility, Heather might come over to her side and be like, all right, guys, she's taking responsibility. Let her fucking talk. That could be good. That would work. And then again, that would give us the same byproduct that we've won. but I just don't know if Lisa is going to be able to see it that way. She's just going to see that everybody's out to get her

and she's going to storm off like three or four more times the season. Yeah, I think that's probably what's going to happen. I'm really hoping that she's able to reel it in at least a little bit because she is. Like you are a risky fucking friend, Lisa Barlow. And for you to sit there and hear that and say, I don't think I am and I'm sick of being labeled that way, if every single person on this cast has told you this at some point your husband is telling you this

in so many words at what point do you look in the mirror and say maybe i'm the problem hey it's me hi i'm the problem it's me like i just it gets to a point with me where it's it's frustrating to watch it's like are you that thick-headed that you can't just say like oh my bad one time the only time we've ever heard Lisa apologizes is somebody else apologizes first or if the matter's already been resolved in years past and she then will say like oh yeah sorry about that that's it like you fucked up dude just the only the other part of this is they enabled her for so fucking long yeah like yes this has been a long time coming but It didn't start like this.

Like, yes, after Lisa and Meredith had their falling out, that's when LB became LB. And then she started soaring a little bit. That's the villain origin story. Yeah, it's her villain origin story, slept with half in New York. She then started getting better and better, and she started doing all of these things. She started talking over people. She started doing fake apologies, talking over your apologies, not listening, not taking accountability.

And they let her get away with this for so long. And yes, again, I already referenced earlier, there were a couple people. who were nipping at her heels, mostly Whitney, but that doesn't mean anything because she can just stomp Whitney out immediately. The fact that you guys and Heather is a main priority here allowed her to get away with this for so long. Yes, Heather, now you're doing the right thing

and you're stepping up and telling her what's up. But you did allow her to do this for a while. So she is sort of the monster that you guys created. And rein her back in. And if it doesn't work, you only really have yourselves to blame. Like, yes, Lisa can be to blame. She's a human too. But you guys allowed her to do this for seasons.

And yeah, and you wonder why she got, at this point. You gave her every fucking excuse in the book for year after year and let her get away with it. So it's only you guys that you can blame yourselves. It's a good point. Janice says in the comments, I hate to say it, LB starting to be Tamara. Is there validity to that statement? No, not yet. Okay. I'm not willing to go that for you. That's fine. I just wanted to bring attention to it. I thought it was an interesting point. So let's get to the worst mom in the world. Brittany and Olivia, we get to meet Olivia, her 19-year-old daughter, who was brave enough to agree to film this scene with her mom.

And a confessional. And a confessional, which I thought she handled herself great in both. Oh, my God, yeah. This was astounding. And I've talked about it relentlessly how horrible of a mom I think she is and how gross it is to watch all of this. And somebody mentioned something last week or two weeks ago. in regards like the Mormon religion and what that means when it comes to like you prioritize your husband this that whatever

I don't care because this conversation is crazy and props to Olivia for being so strong with everything but to go into a confessional and say oh man that psychic was prophetic because all of a sudden I realized like I got to stop prioritizing men and focus on my kids it took a fucking psychic to tell you Whitney was shaking you telling you and also your instinct as a mother and just a human being at some point should have said oh maybe I'm fucking up my kids right now by not paying any attention to them by not even knowing them in the slightest and we get a horrible story from Olivia it's like well you remember the last time we tried to do this Britney doesn't even remember if I'm the daughter I'm walking I was like wow you don't even remember the last time you saw her

because that's embarrassing she tells a story you agreed to meet up with me it was in between work so i had to rush i came to your house with 30 minutes to spare jared fucking osmond walks in at the same time and you proceed to make out with him in front of me don't even notice me and i left what yeah um i mean this scene was it was uncomfortable i commend olivia for what she was able to talk. She was talking so, so well, so eloquently, just getting her point across immediately at no cost at all for whatever the fuck Britney was going through. The problem lies, obviously on Brittany's side, it made me uncomfortable because it wasn't just, what the fuck are you doing? Like, I need to shake you and just try to snap you into it. There's more at work here. And that's kind

of what the realization was here. It's not just, like, I'm not even going to bash Britney right now because I think there's something way deep rooted, way more something that affected her from her past. There's got to be something here because she didn't even fucking realize what was going on. The way that she was talking was unbelievably ignorant and so twisted that there's got to be something else here. This was stupidity, which I do think that Brittany is unbelievably stupid, but it's stupidity mixed with either some sort of conditional behavior, some sort of, I'm not going to say anything else because I don't want to speculate, but there's got to be something in there that's got

her to this point because it doesn't make any sense. And again, Olivia is telling stories about how, you know, when you were my mom and you guys were together in the beginning, everything was fine. Like you were a hands-on mom. You were the person that I would come to. And then all of a sudden, you got with this other guy and your next husband, and it was just completely different. So that's where when we start painting a timeline and she starts to change a little bit, there's something in there that probably happens that, again, I'm not going to speculate on. But it's way more than just you're a piece of shit. There's something wrong here

with her mentally. And that's where I'm like, I kind of feel bad and I don't know what it is because she's not saying it and we don't know what it is. But there has to be something else here. I fail to realize and I fail to believe that this is just you're a piece of shit. There's got to be something else here. I

can bite a little bit. Like I get, yeah, obviously there's some sort of... We've seen a lot of pieces of shit on these pieces of shits on these shows. Sorry, pluralizing shits and stuff we've seen a lot of those people on these shows i don't know is it like sheep yeah i guess like there's a big pile of shit but pieces of shit doesn't yeah whatever pieces of shit we'll call it that i eat pieces of shit for breakfast okay there we go um yeah we've

seen a lot of those people we've seen a lot of people that just have no morality left on these shows and you can tell right away like oh you just fucking blow you suck i don't get that feeling with Brittany there's something else going on here i i can see that it's just for me watching this transpire it's like fine and you know if there's some trauma in there i know that's the word you're trying to avoid but if there is some trauma in there that you need to to address to move forward with this like yeah i can respect that to a certain extent but at the same time you're sitting there talking to your child like you're a child because she's like you know So I always pick men first because I have kids.

I don't get to see. It's like, how fucking dare you? How dare you say that to your daughter? And she says it for us. She was so mature, dude. She's like, you can't put that on us. You can't put that us. She's like, well, I'm trying to get to know you now.

And given your epiphany, like it does make more sense that there's more here rather than her being like a heartless monster. It's like a psychological issue that we've heard about a million times. You've referred back to wherever it was that you got hurt. And the fact that you just said, it's like a child. talking to another child tells me there's got to be something there psychological yeah yeah and you know Olivia gets deeper into it where she's like I try to put myself in your shoes like I would never do that and I need you she lays out exactly what she needs from her here's what I need

I need you to stop prioritizing men over me I need to not be concerned that if I do try to do this again you're not going to Jared Osman me and leave me sitting on a couch watching you make out with some stranger that you decide to date and then not date and then date at my expense the fact that she's even willing to sit there and have a conversation with her i will give your point credit because there's clearly somebody in brittany that olivia recognizes from when she was good now by the way because i just saw a tic-tok the other day of brittany and olivia kind of hanging out and she was doing some sort of tic-tok trend to brittany and she was just right over her head Didn't realize what the hell was going on.

But it seemed like they were in good spirits. So I'm hoping that that was not just somebody reposting from like months and months ago and now they're back to being bad. But hopefully it worked and hopefully something's working and maybe she got something out of this whole experience. I don't know. But again, I just can't shake the feeling that there's something else going on here. And it's not just the Britney sucks. Yeah, I can get on board with that. It still, it was just, it was tough.

It was tough to watch. For Olivia's sake, I hope that they figure it out. And I hope that everything is cool. I don't want to have estranged parents. It was just a really tough scene to watch. But let's keep going. We get to Meredith and Heather, and Meredith chipped a tooth and then kicked her shower, causing a purple toe to which my only question is, you know, we've seen Meredith at night.

Sometimes what's going on? Yeah. Was that just, you know. I also like the idea that like she gets applauded for driving, she drove like 45 minutes to go hang out. with Heather and like walk around for well i think that's that you know why because of the car accident yeah yeah no i know that part of it but i'm saying more it's funny to me that they keep saying oh yeah you live here it's like she lives in new york enough of this shit oh right yeah yeah we know flying in and out to film come on and we don't care either no it doesn't matter you can live in

in a different country as long as you show up and that's the best part she flies into film it doesn't do shit she just sits there collects a paycheck anything this season yeah even this was like let's get a little bit more like she probably filmed all of her confessionals in like two days she just stayed at the park city house and just hung out for a little bit did all of her confessionals at the end of the season and then went right back to new york but even like you said in the scene she's not doing anything she's just kind of voicing what she's thinking in her confessions like heather's just trying to get through to her heather's trying to trying to create the crusade.

Like, we need to just talk about the problem that is Lisa Barlow. I do believe what Angie's talking about. You believe it, too, Meredith. And Meredith does that little, like, the side of the neck cock, like, hey? Is this, uh, I don't know. I'm not really sure. And she's not really like making eye contact. She's just looking at the grounds.

Oh, you just crack your neck. He's got a stinger. No. Oh, no. Oh, no, that sucks. But you can tell that Meredith's, like, either A, not hearing a word that you're saying or B has already made up her mind and you're not going to be able to do anything to change that that's probably somewhere in the middle somewhere in the middle I would imagine

because when they get into it Heather points out you know the other day at lunch like you had her she was caught and she references that time that her and Lisa had the falling out and she's like you know Lisa apologized to me for years and Heather's like yeah because you caught her when she's caught she doesn't know what to do then she will be apologetic you had her caught again and you let her off the hook and you could tell by looking at her that she got caught and then merriss like what if she didn't do this stuff you know like what if she didn't do it's like bro you know she know she did what are we doing that's the thing is like and we talk about this a little bit at the end of the episode too and we talk about this a little bit at the end of the episode too you're all digging

things up i mean meredith talked about how she has to catch up on her dms you're all doing the same thing. It's just how you react to it when people call you out for it is very different. And the way Lisa does it is wrong. And it's been wrong for years. Now we're finally addressing this. Everybody else reacts in a very different way. Usually it ends up with screaming.

But Meredith just kind of hopes it goes away. Like she uses her ammo and then hopes that it goes away and a lot of times it works out for her. It usually does. We move onto a different subject. Or there's a different villain showing their face and she's like, oh, cool. I can just go right back and just kind of conk out

over here and fall asleep. Have some caviar and take a snooze. You have some caviar and take a snooze. But yeah, again, this is just Heather's on to something. And when Heather's on to something, she's a dog with a bone. She's just kind of putting it together over the last couple of episodes. And I think this was the episode where now she's, one, rallying the troops, but she's also dead set on a couple of things.

And that's the best way to do it. Get dead set on two facts. She always does this when she's caught. And she's always digging up on. people. And if you think that she's not, you're wrong because we've caught her in the act a bunch of times and she always reacts the same way. We know that it's right. So it's crazy for you to sit here and say, Angie came to me and told me that she was telling me to dig up things on your family, but Angie never used it against you because she didn't want to use your family. Is that not crazy to think that Lisa would have given her that information? No, I, you know, me and Angie, we had problems. Me and Lisa have been good for longer. so I'm going to believe Lisa like okay whatever you're out that that's all it said to me was Heather's trying to get her on her side she's not really complying at all you're out see you later I agree completely because the reasoning in which you're taking Lisa's side over Angie's side

doesn't make any sense no because you've had interactions with both of them so you could chalk it up to that I would use what you said Angie had ammo Lisa told her to get ammo she didn't use it on you yep so she's clearing it around and using it on lisa which her and lisa were cool now they're not cool and she's using it on lisa that looks like a normal housewife moved to me you would think i don't know i don't know i think that you're right i think maris like i don't care yeah yeah it's more of an i don't really care and i'm not getting involved yeah exactly there's a quick scene with mary whitney and ang where it's just mentioning Dom Paranian,

2003, four different times. Egyptian cotton, it's what they're taking or what they want to be provided on the super yacht. Tea and Egyptian cotton. I think I got all of it. Western omelets for Heather. Maybe a couple of donuts.

That was way more in line with what I was thinking about. But yeah, Don Perriyan, 2003. Oh, and by the way, did you guys see what it came out about Bronner? She definitely said tea because you wanted to say that line. Yeah, I know. You still want tea, Mary? Oh, you do?

Well, how about this tea? And we get the tea. The Bronwyn, I didn't even steep this tea? The tea that is dropped is the identity theft tea. We've been waiting for this. Hand out forgot about it immediately. I did too. We just talked about it last week.

Yeah. When we started talking about tea, I was like, what tea are they talking? Oh, fuck, right? We're already getting to that. I genuinely thought this wasn't going to come out until midseason. So I was so surprised that we're already getting into this. I'm excited for it, honestly, because where everybody is in the group, the dynamics, I'm so pumped that this is coming out right now because it's going to be chaos for a little while.

Well, because you know all fingers will point at Lisa and the whole group. And that's different too because she has no support right now. I could see Meredith completely bending the knee and being like going to her side because she's out on an island. I could see that happening. But she's going to have to take this one head on. And I think she's the one that did it.

I think most people think she's the one that did it. I do too, but, and this is spilling over a little bit into Todd and Bronwyn's conversation. It's also just housewives get this shit all the time. And yes, a lot of times it's another housewife digging it up. But this could also just be as simple as you're a housewife on the most successful franchise currently airing. We're just going to drop this bomb about you. It could have been somebody completely unrelated.

I still do think I'm probably about 6040 that it was Lisa. But that other 40% is a huge number to just ignore. I do think that once you do this, and that goes sort of the Todd's point, when you're on a show like this, people are going to fucking blast shit out there when they find stuff out about you because it's going to get clicks and it's going to get a ton of. of attention and they're going to get paid for it. And that's how it works. That's just how the world works. That's how Bravo works. So that is what you open yourself up to when you're on a show like this. In the timing of the show and what they're dealing with currently, yes, Lisa is going to get every single finger pointed at her except for Meredith's because Meredith's going to be facing the wrong direction pointing out to the ocean. Everybody else is going to be pointing at Lisa.

And that's, it's fair. I will say it's fair because of what we've been dealing with. But again, I do think that there's a really good chance that this is a completely unrelated issue. I'm probably more like 80-20. That's fair. Because, I mean, we get, I'll just go to the Toddwin scene of her talking to Todd about this news dropping.

Because of the basis in which this case, whatever it is, we can't know about, it was 10 years ago, according to her, it was dismissed and sealed. So that's where I'm like, all right, so if somebody was going to dig this up, like you really have to put in some effort and probably know somebody. And that's still not counting out the Bravoverse as a whole. Like there's a lot of people that watch these shows that go way too far into it

and would do something like that if they had an in. So I'm not putting it past them, but because of the sealed document, because the case was dismissed entirely. I do believe Lisa Barlow would know enough people. I do believe Meredith Marks would know enough people. I believe there's people within their realm. I find it hard to believe that just a normie like us would be able to dig up a sealed case file to drop this bomb.

No, I fully agree with you. I do think that there's, most likely, yes, it is somebody from Bravo. I can't even say the 60% of Lisa, because you're right. It could be Meredith. It could be anybody else that she's got beef with. It could be somebody who's on a podcast that just, you know, was on Bravo, knows a couple of people, blah, blah, blah, who the fuck knows what's going on there? Jen Shaw.

It could have been Jen Shaw, honestly. Could you imagine? That would be wild. That's actually pretty plausible now that you just kind of throw that out into the wild. But going back to Todd and Brahmin when discussing, this is why we go scene by scene with Todd, because I think this was the most realistic approach from a husband who makes a shit-fucking ton of money, who doesn't want his wife on this show because it's polar. rising and it's putting them under a microscope.

And this is now going to affect his life. Yeah, okay, you go do your little thing on Bravo. It's going to be a little annoying for a while. But once this comes out, yes, this is actually going to affect my life. And he's pissed off. And I fully understand that. And he's still talking down or whatever. But this is the real side of these shows that we don't ever really talk about.

You do have to be a certain brand of crazy to sign up to be on a show like this because you're opening yourself up to the world. And if it's not somebody like Lisa Barlow or Meredith Mark, digging and finding out lawsuits and finding out identity theft things and sealed documents from the courts, it's somebody else. It's a fucking hungry blogger. It's somebody on Twitter that has connections. It's always somebody who's out to get you because they want the clicks and they want

the attention. And that's what you open yourself up to as soon as you get on a show like this. And not only that, now you have to answer to it on camera in front of all of these other hungry housewives who are going to rip you apart, at least in Todd's mind, he doesn't understand what the fuck's going on with Lisa, where everybody's just going to blame Lisa. but it does open you up to all of those sort of things. So I get where he's coming from, where he's like, why the fuck? He says, why would you want to go on a trip with these women, knowing what's going to happen?

What he's really saying is, why the fuck are you on the show? Like, why are we doing this? This is brutal. I agree. Now, with that being said, it is annoying that he can't understand why she needs to go on this trip because it's the show. And also, didn't care for the, you're on your own speech. because it's like, dude, let's really lay out what happened today. This just got dropped to the press, like her identity theft thing and whatever the fuck happened.

She's already going through it. Your last sit down with her was not great. Like, I get where he's coming from to a certain extent. Yeah, it's like fucking with his business and all that. But she's going to go on the trip. Just fucking, I don't know, fake it. Be supportive for one second. This one I'm okay with him not.

I'm not. No, no, no, I'm not talking about that. With the ice cream parlor, fine. Like,

like absolutely oblige her just fucking let her get through her conversation, act like you're somewhat interested. This one is, this one is real. This one's not, he's not her dad, dude.

But he already knew about this. It was very clear that he already knew about this. They've already had a discussion about it. He didn't want this shit to get out because now it reflects poorly upon him, more than her just being on the show. Now it's you're a convict and everybody fucking knows it because somebody went and got dismissed. Okay, but there's still priors and there's a whole past involved that he probably didn't want to get out and it does actually affect real world stuff.

This was this was a fourth wall break by a husband and in a way of we're crossing over to real shit now. This isn't just, oh yeah, you're going to look stupid on your show on Bravo or on reality TV. This is fuck. Now everybody's going to look at me when I'm doing deals and say, oh yeah, aren't you married to that girl who had an identity theft issue before? I'm going to think twice about this. it's real world implications that's all I understand that I'm just saying don't talk down to her like that no I'm not even saying he talks down to her all the time I that that's going to happen regardless I'm saying for the trip I understand where the fuck he's coming from why the hell would you want to go on this trip they're going to because you're thinking in terms of the show no I'm not I am I would never talk to be subjected to that you want your wife to be subjected to that you want your wife to be subjected to that I would say dude why are you going on this trip if you know what's going to happen but I wouldn't ever say well you're on your own you're on your own then I'm not yeah I'm not going to excuse that part of it but understanding why he's oh okay all right understanding why he's pissed off that she's going on the trip i know i get the questioning of like why are you going to get you know

more of this from the ladies i was specifically saying on once we get to that point like you know she's going don't drop it well you're on your own you don't deal with it yourself like especially given the day she's just been through hurtling through a divorce they are going that direction oh i know he's probably going to initiate it at some point because i think he's just going to be done with it but yeah when he's sitting there saying don't come back and i don't want to hear you complain about lisa barlo that you go down there and you start getting into an argument with lisa barlo you're on your own i'm not dealing with this shit anymore he's fed up he's he is done we said it a million times last year he had no idea what she was doing he was like yeah go for

it now he knows and he already went through a whole season he actually went to the reunion which was bizarre he knows what's going on now and he's just done he is fed up and done that that that marriages and shambles at this point. No, I agree with that. Yeah, my point there was simply about that part, the end of it. It's like, you're on your own. It's like, all right, dickhead. She's still your wife.

I'll respect to be nice. But, yeah, it was, I mean, it literally had everything. It was top to bottom, phenomenal episode. That's two bangers in a row. Enjoy it while we're here, everybody. Please, because it's fleeting. It's ever so fleeting. But let's get to some questions from our members, our favorite.

in 10 seconds. Oh yeah, 10 second delay. I love the argument in the comment section right now, who the worst has been in Bravo history is. Lenny Brooks and Simon Barney are the Unholy Trinity. Todd's right after that. That's a good list. Ryan Stoneman, who do you think hired the PI?

Is Lisa or Meredith? Yeah, it's one of the two. I don't see anybody else doing it. And you would think it'd be like 80, 20, Lisa to Meredith? 60, 40. This is a Meredith move. Or is it a Heather move? No.

Heather's the one who's always had it out for Bronwyn. Like more so than everybody else. What if she's been working on this for a little while? Well, that's how it blows up because all of her shit that she said to Lisa goes out the window because you just dug. Yeah. So that's where the shit falls apart a little bit to your point earlier. not actually no that would be kind of entertaining no that would be ironic that would be great that's interesting that you're welcome i don't know what i did from uh janice frillman when is meredith going to have

a storyline i think she's done with storylines you're watching it i'm going to have one anymore we got close to having a set meredith is their divorce or is their divorce coming does set have a whole other family in ohio once that popped off and we didn't really get anywhere with that we're done we're where there's no more left yeah she's she's DJing now yeah that's her storyline she's on the show in spirit barely come on get them in we'll do a few more if there's a few good ones all right another one from Ryan should Brittany hold a snowflake and Meredith be a friend I'm cool with that uh not yeah I think after this season you can make that argument um because Meredith could just be one of those housewives that

we all know we all loved at one point in time who just kind of checks in for like an episode or two and then that's kind of what you get for a couple seasons until they actually threatened emotion yeah yeah and i also i somewhat fear brittany with the power of a snowflake yeah i don't i don't know if i want to face that reality up yeah that could that could get ugly in a hurry yeah oh also uh dear johannan said that leads to more jared That's a good point, too. Yeah, no, we don't want any more of that. That leads to family scenes with Jared.

Yeah. From PJ Lee, does Brittany have it in her to be a Marlowe level friend of, Marlowe from Atlanta? Very different people, but I think, yeah, I think that she will get to a point where she affects the rest of the group as much as Marlowe did. I just don't know if she has any friendships in the group, so that might be a little weird.

Yeah. I don't know if it's Marlowe level. I don't know. Yeah, it's definitely too soon to say that, but I don't know. We'll keep an eye on it. Janice Frillman, once again, are we going to see Heather's dating life? I probably not. I doubt it.

I would love to. That would be interesting. From EMAA, sorry if I said that wrong, but I feel like Heather's going to read the audience and plan for a Meredith to take down next season think that she would slash could that's all going to depend on how this one goes if she's successful and it actually lands when she's talking to lisa gets maybe some behavioral changes from lisa out of this then yeah she probably will yeah i think it yeah it all hinges on what happens with this whole thing her success rate has to go up because her success rate is zero right now

yeah she's never been able to successfully carry out an attack plan uh her contingency plan is always really shitty and then she gets caught up in it and then it it usually just goes away because it gets so confoluted and hectic that it's just like there is no response yeah um i don't know i don't know i would love to see like the two that we've talked about for a while is lisa and meredith we don't know why meredith always gets off the hook i would have preferred a meredith take down before a lisa take down but i will take what we're getting um but yeah interesting we have not from christine age did you watch housewife swap not yet not yet we might they did uh they were supposed to air um wendy's episode this week and they ended up it's on sunday

yeah they are airing it on sunday and she's also uh i i don't know if she's sued or if she is planning on there's a lot of love going on it was an illegal arrest she was illegally arrested fraud yeah of course did you see the um kelly's ex-husband from atlanta his lawsuit 200 million dollars to bravo for defamation because they allowed kelly to talk about and somewhat allude to abuse and he never did that it's like where are you getting these numbers from these ex-husbands suing bravo do that so they try to settle yeah my last one this is good amy laba di um uh huh uh uh Rank your top three housewives this season. Angie, Heather, Mary.

Not in any order. In an order, Mary Angie, Heather. I'm going Angie, Mary Heather. Okay. Yeah, but I think they're interchangeable. But, yeah, to our amazing members, thank you for coming out. Thanks for hanging with us. Great questions.

Great comments tonight. You guys are on. You're on fire. Appreciate that. Really? All one. And we'll see where the season goes. I don't know.

There's a lot of potential. This is the difference with like a show like this. I'm not worried about the potential pitfalls. I'm just curious where we're going to go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're not at that point. Yeah, we're worried. Well, I'm worried about the Heather pitfall, but otherwise.

Yeah, but that's a grander one. You know, that's like, that's an overshadowing cloud potential. potentially but the rest of it yeah it's just it's gold man this is gold so revel in it everybody i'll keep reminding you revel in this shit but other than that that's all i got you got anything else nope all that's okay october is halloween month which yes is a thing and on the vulgar history podcast it's also mary shelley's season mary shelley wrote frankenstein the book when she was a teen mom on the run with her boyfriend her sister and her sister's boyfriend she got the idea to write Frankenstein, when her sister's boyfriend, Lord Byron, dared them all to write a ghost story one

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