Bros & Shows - Matt Claps Back, Slade Stays Home (RHOC Reunion pt 2 Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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comment on it. We're getting dinged for covering a show that nobody else watches because they want to listen to us and you're going to ding us in a review. We're trying out of you. O.C. is screwing us in the front and in the back. We are getting a hog roasted.

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shows good afternoon everybody welcome back to another episode of pros and shows i'm your co-host you're russle joined as always for the second to last time rosy goots what's up dude this show can't be over early enough i i don't know what to do it's i want to go back in time to like six seven weeks ago where all we were doing was just getting to the reunion because we were here so many things about Tamara and Katie teaming up. Are Gina and Emily going to be able to handle the heat? What's going to happen? Or we're going to finally get to the bottom of this.

Why the fuck do we even do this to ourselves? It's going to alter my chemistry to the point where I may never do that again for something that we genuinely should be excited for. That's what this show is doing to me at this point because I want to go back in time and just shake myself and say, you're an idiot. What are you thinking? Why would you believe any of this? we tried to be optimistic we really did because we came into this season on the heels of last season being decent so we're like oh you know what maybe and even halfway through we are trying to avoid the hate watch as much as we could desperately tried to convince ourselves that there are any redeemable qualities about this show and or it's cast this episode is the proof that you need that this is just a terrible show there is things to talk about they could be

doing a lot more here. They're not. They're not. They're skirting around certain things. We're talking over people. Andy is moving right along before we get into the nuts and bolts of certain issues. It has simply become Tamara and Gretchen don't like each other and other stuff happened to. That's what we're watching right now. I guess, honestly. The way that this episode went in particular, I figured it was going to be mostly Tamara Gretchen, which, I I already knew we were never going to get anywhere. Those two, they obviously don't like each other. They haven't liked each other for a long time.

But they're not able to even have a conversation about the things that happened or try to give either one of their sides because they just talk over each other. And no one else jumps in, Andy can't do anything. I think Andy is very aware that this is a hot mess, that this is just a burning pile of garbage. That's why he's not asking more questions. And I don't really blame them. I mean, obviously at the end of the day, it is his job to,

force them to answer questions to force them to talk about things but none of them are answering questions like you can go down the line for anybody on this cast we ask them a simple question they give a very long-winded answer it gets to the point where someone else is offended by something that they said and then they start talking over each other and we don't get back to the original question that's pretty much the theme of this reunion and i don't blame andy for just not having the energy to pursue anything like what's the point at that at the end of the day so i in my mind this, and this is not how it's going to go. But this recap could easily be, let's just fast forward to when that gets on stage

because the rest of it is so useless. Like the idea that they think, and again, we had, what, an 18 episode, 17 episode season, the idea that they think that we give a fuck about any other topic aside from, can we just talk to Katie and just try to figure this whole thing out? This should be a maybe a two-part reunion and Katie should be sitting right in the front and we should just be asking her questions and then feeding off of that to other people to see what they think

and then getting into arguments about it because that's the only thing that really matters. We don't give a shit anymore and I don't care if you're a Tamara hater. I don't care if you love Tamara. I don't care if you hate Gretchen. It doesn't really matter to me. Everybody should be on the right side of

nothing is going to get accomplished. We're not going to further anything. We're not going to get any answers. So why are we doing this? We're just filling screen time with no answers and nothing to really talk about. I don't really understand why they're doing this to us. Because life is miserable.

That's why. No. Yeah. I don't actually even believe that. It's just, it's, it's frustrating because there, there are multiple things brought up throughout that you could dig your teeth into, right? When we get to the Matt and Katie stuff, well, I got, I've got call logs. I've got texts. Great.

Let's see them. yeah why are we not seeing the receipts like why are we not seeing the evidence for those things so that's one part that i'm irritated at the other part that i'm irritated at we're seemingly not latching on to a topic we'll start talking about something then we go across the room to somebody else for a totally unrelated issue then they're going to comment and they they sidestep away from what we were discussing not that i really care but there's no fluidity there's no there's no fuck what's the word trying to draw

yeah sure cohesiveness like trying to draw connections from this topic to that topic to that coherency I don't think there's nothing it's just impossible any of the good C words there's no good C words involved in oh there's one good C word involved in this whole thing

that I can apply to all of them but there's no other good C words that are really coming to mind right now can you clarify because that makes it sound like you're calling them C words maybe I am who knows No, I was going to say cucks.

But the whole issue here is that like you said, we never get into anything and we never will get into anything. And we know that we're not going to get into anything. So it's pointless in even paying attention or trying to do those things because anytime that someone else gets involved, and I'll use Emily as an example, it's just hypocrisy across the board. Someone else will chime in and you'll think it's a nice moment. and Emily's good for one of these, a reunion, talking about the fatty photo, which is somewhat in the beginning anyway, not that, you know, it really fucking matters when we're recapping this reunion, but talking about the fatty photo, Emily goes off, which could be endearing, which could help to lend an ear to the story and lend some feelings to the whole situation about how she

looked back on the season and she's like, wow, I really looked like shit. Wow, I didn't really like the way that I looked right there. I really want to work on this and that and this. And they have a nice exchange about how you need to look back at those moments and say, wow, I'm proud of you for getting to where I am now because you started somewhere. That's a really nice moment. Oh, wait a minute. I forgot. When we were in Amsterdam, you were ridiculing Shannon for putting spanks on and calling her a packed sausage. Yep. What? So you're allowed to go back and be like, you know what, Jen, I really get it because this is what happens, what people are just trying to better themselves and look better and trying to work on their bodies. You have those moments where

you look back. Well, it's even more sentimental than that because it's not just that. It's also being proud of yourself because in that moment in that that time in Jen's life, she was being a mother. She was focused on her children. So the body reflection is a reflection of the hard work she's applying to her family. It is a great way to look at it. And it's the correct way to look at it. That's what was going on in your life. So you look a certain way. That's beautiful. Emily resonates with that, looking back on the season. Well, you know, Luke was going through X, Y, and Z. So obviously I was, I was concerned about that.

So I think back to that moment with Jen. This is a great moment. It should be a great moment. Should be. Yeah. But again, one, it is so out of left field as far as what we're discussing. We're trying to, we didn't even get into the fatty photo. We got into it for two seconds and allowed Heather.

That was the deviating. That's a great example of how we're not getting into things. Yes. Is the fatty photo because that is such an easy thing, an easy topic. to discuss. Tamara even acknowledged the fact that it was shady. There was no further comment on it. She had to talk over three other people talking about it just to acknowledge that, yeah, that was shady. I was being shady in that moment. And she tried to spin a story about how, you know, there was a lot of things. And Heather helped out where it was a longer conversation. So in the

grand scheme of things, it wasn't one of those situations where I could look at Tamara and say, hey, Tamara, that's not right to do that. There was a longer conversation in there. No. first off absolutely that doesn't make fucking any sense how communication works no like oh yeah we had a three a three hour long conversation while sitting in bed and that came up and that was just one of the topics but because we were talking about this this and this it seems like an okay place to talk about that so i wasn't going to tell her no i wasn't going to smack her on the wrist and be like hey don't do that why did we not ask a follow-up question like okay but that seems like it should be a standalone moment if she says something so what you're saying to me heather and i'm going to use the extreme on

if you guys are having a three hour long conversation in bed and Tamara says something overtly racist you're not going to tell her hey that's wrong well that wasn't the point of the conversation I was going to use an example too like if you and I are talking about the birds and I go oh and by the way your mom's a bitch but anyway back to the birds I don't gloss you know we were talking about the birds I mean what am I supposed to do I can't I can't go back after them we're talking about the Eagles and there was no follow up to it and there's nothing and like I said we're going back and forth and it is just utter nonsense and no one's asking any follow-up questions Tamara has to actually scream over other people to say yeah it was a shady fucking moment

I wanted to do it to be shady thank you tamer for acknowledging that that's great is there a follow-up to that no no and that only came out because Shannon's like well in tomecula you said it was shady she's like yeah I did okay anyway let's talk about cock rings now like what are we doing here. This is just, it's shambles. We're in absolute shambles. I don't understand what our goal. What's the intent? There you go. Because that's a question that was asked. What is the intent of the picture? That she changed. Go fuck yourself. That's not the intent. You don't show that picture because you think she changed. Heather, you're a very smart woman, extraordinarily intelligent. How on earth do you look at this and go, well, that wasn't her being shady?

in what world do you pull out a photo of somebody where in your opinion they don't look their best and show it to somebody as they look how much she's changed. Well, she's talking about the fact that she wants to look like Tamara. What do you mean? Because then we go down that whole fucking rabbit hole

of these weird things like the extensions, which I said the very first time you heard about that. I was like, bet me she put them in at the salon and was like, ha, ha, look at me and took them out. Lo and behold, that's what happened. So we go through this list of, of Jen wanting to be Tamara, Jen defends herself.

And Tamara goes, yeah, you're right. My bad. And that's it. We're done. And they seem to be fine. Yeah, they seem to be fine. And honestly, again, I'm at the point now where I'm not even blaming Tamara for this, because you can have a really good housewife and you can have a shit cast.

And if she just constantly gets away with things, I think it's even deeper than that. I think not only does she get away with things all the time and we've seen that in the last couple of the seasons. She never has questions. She never has follow-ups. People don't actually hold her to the fire. She's used to doing that. That's fine. The other part of this is Tamara understands what good TV is. Even if she responds, she's not going to get good TV out of this because the other people are such idiots. So it doesn't really matter. So I'm not even going to blame Tamara at that point. But we talked about it at length about the hair extensions, all of these things. what you're telling me is

Jen lost weight to be more like Tamara that doesn't make a whole lot of sense That's the implication We already said Tamara is a housewife of Orange County And I'm sorry But when I think of Orange County

Yes I think about blonde Big Boobes perfect white teeth Tamara started that Andy says it Sure yeah So what the fuck is the issue Like yeah you have something there But it's not something worth digging into

And it's not something worth talking about At a goddamn reunion Well the way it's attempted to be framed is that Jen is obsessed with Tamara, which is quite clearly not the case. No. Everybody draws inspiration of their own look from other people and other things. They're like, ooh, I like that look.

Maybe I'll try that out. If anything, be flattered. Stop trying to drum up this storyline of she's obsessed with you. And then because you don't have to, there's no defense because you're just like, yeah, you're right, whatever. And they're like, okay, cool. Let's move on and talk about. Ryan and now we all co-sign Ryan which is great sure fine I'm glad they're all on board

but I just don't like it's nothing it's a big old nothing burger and then we have to go through the list of like you know talk about the over sexualization which yeah that's an important thing to address because you want to make sure that Ryan's not going to dip in like 10 years or whatever sure and then we have to listen to Emily go Shane can't keep his hands off me okay yeah that was very apparent during the one Life swap. Yeah, and the real thing is here, when we do those deviations, when we go into different things, it's that we simply don't care if this is a better show, if we were actually

emotionally invested or on an entertainment basis invested in this show and the people on this show, if Jen was sitting there and she's a fan favorite and everybody loves her and this was such a great season for Jen and she's sitting there talking about Ryan, we want to know those things you can put this up against any other show if there's some weird marital dispute if there's something going on and we're like wow i'm really rooting for you because i'm invested in you yeah i want to hear those things yeah i want to hear that brian and will had a good sit down which first off i don't really believe that he actually said that i think she's lying but i don't i kind of i do believe jett i don't she's a lot of things i i think she's a liar by forgetting

yeah it's not even a mission it's just forgetting just forgetting i and that drives me up a fucking wall too because she won't even acknowledge it but like we that should also be a sticking point that should be something that we discussed that should be a question that Andy has hey Jen we had about seven to nine instances in which your response was I don't remember that happening but you were there and people turned to you for further clarification and you don't remember it are you good like are you hanging out with Meredith too much yeah like are you just completely checked out like why do people keep looking at you and I already know answer to that so maybe that's why they didn't ask it she would probably say i don't really know

i don't really remember because i don't remember those things i think people are looking to me because i was there but you know what maybe i didn't hear it the same way that's how that question would go but that should at least be something because that was a theme of the entire season and pretty much what katie's trying to say at the end is like i i look to you for help and if you had just even once said oh yeah that did happen even if it wasn't the exact same way that i said it happened it could have further the story and it could have gotten me in a better place. But instead, you just completely wiped your hands of the situation. You're like, I don't remember. That didn't fucking happen. And then if somebody gives you more information, you're like, oh, absolutely. That's what

happens. It doesn't make any sense. There's so many inconsistencies there. There's way more inconsistencies with Jen being places and not remembering and then suddenly remembering when another person gives her information, then Katie lying. That's where we are right now. But Katie gets banned for that. It doesn't make sense. is brought to you by Peloton. Break through the busiest time of year with the brand new Peloton Cross Training Tread Plus, powered by Peloton IQ.

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miscommunication everything katie did was vindictive and wrong but that was a miscommunication I don't know what happened. You don't know what happened. And we're not going to sit here and claim 100% anything until we get more information. The point is we're going to now look at the inconsistencies on both sides. On this side, what you're saying doesn't fully add up, Katie and Matt. But you have kept the stories the same the entire time you have shown us the phone logs that Gretchen's trying to deny now. We saw them on TV.

I don't know what that is. We've seen the text messages that Gretchen's trying to deny now. I don't know what that is, but all of these things have been the same since they started defending themselves. The only person that is apparently telling you something different, Gretchen, is Slade, who didn't have the balls to show up at the reunion and face Matt because he knew Matt was going to be there. Don't get it twisted.

He's not, he's not avoiding the reunion because he doesn't want to be chalked up to the guy that wants the screen time, the guy that wants to go outside. He's avoiding the reunion because he knows Matt's going to be there and call him out on all of his shit. he didn't want to be embarrassed on quote unquote his show so he avoided the situation but then we go over to frick and frack on the other couch trying to put this story together as why katy is such a bad person it doesn't make any sense because you guys have five things that have come and gone and then you changed your story and a big part of your argument is the lie detector that we continue

to go back to as though we all believe that we all saw that the guy that did that was a fucking actor. So anytime you go back to scenes, even a quick montage of the lie detector to try to prove a point that's being set on stage, I instantly check out because I don't believe two actors looking at a polygraph. So again, on this side, inconsistent with Katie and Matt, ever so slightly, we're missing some pieces for sure. It doesn't fully track. On this side, Gretchen, Jan, and the rest, none of it tracks. It's been five different fucking stories. So of course, going to lean towards the less inconsistent of the two, but the hypocrisy of trying to fucking kick her off is crazy.

It's not only that. I'm going to lean towards the you seem like a pretty normal person. Matt defending his wife in a good way. And yeah, I would say, he made me fucking laugh. He made me laugh too. I get the backlash. He's defending his wife. And I understand both sides.

I get both sides. I get both sides. I don't really give a fuck about him cutting off Gretchen because Gretchen was trying to lie through her teeth. Jen, on the other hand, she genuinely doesn't. remember she's got amnesia apparently so frustrating she didn't really deserve to be cut off right away but slate isn't there it was still funny slate isn't there because he and i'm telling you if the situation was different and it was tamra versus gretchen and slade and he didn't have to worry

about another husband coming in because eddie's probably not going to show up if he had to go toe to toe to with tamara he's all in he's going to show up there because that guy likes to get in fights with women. When there's another man there, another husband defending his wife, he suddenly can't show up because I don't really want to be on there. There's too many people online claiming that I want to be a housewife. I don't want to do any of these things. Sure, buddy. Yeah, that's exactly what you've been doing your whole life. That's what we want to believe. But I'm leaning towards Matt because Matt is doing normal things. He's speaking normally. He's asking questions. He's following up. He showed his phone. He's willing to show his phone on stage.

yeah he was a little nervous he was shaking he doesn't really do this type of thing he's on the golf channel it's very chill over there he gets to talk about who's leading the round and who had a good round who had a bad round it's very simple you're out in nature you're having a great time you're on stage with and a bunch of women that just want to talk over you because this is what they do yeah i'm going to be a little bit fucking nervous but i believe him because he seems like a normal dude slade seems like a dirt bag and he seems like an asshole and he's a fucking weirdo so i'm not going to believe him Ryan doesn't show up because Ryan is too polarizing of a figure and he's got too much shit going on with his buddy who got in trouble for gambling.

I'm not going to say Ryan got in trouble for it, but he doesn't want to do this. And that makes total sense to me that Ryan's not there. I don't really care about Ryan not being there because Jen's already forgetful enough. And Ryan could get her into hot water, but mostly he would get himself in the hot water and he'd open himself up to all those things that he doesn't want to be open to. I'm okay with Ryan not being there.

Slade not being there doesn't make a goddamn sense. No, not at all. And look, Nicole, who is the wife of whatever the fuck his name is, the dude that's in jail for the show, Hey, Otani stuff. Thank you. I don't know, Nicole. I don't know if she's lying. I also know that you're not going to convince me of you telling the truth by using Ryan's gambling buddy and his wife, the wife of a felon, is not going to then convince me otherwise of what happened this season. She's like, well, Ryan called me and what's his nuts, his wife called?

And I was like, ah, okay. This is still the same. And like, I'm still going to grill Katie for this. Stop fucking talking to people, man. Like, seriously, stop asking questions, stop doing things. You need a clean slate. And if you play your cards right and you get into a bit of a Tiff on reunion and they bring Gretchen back and they've got Jen and you and Jen, because it seems like Andy's

somewhat invested in Jen and Katie's friendship because he didn't really want to see it in that way. So you do have a. going your way where you can come back, but you need to stop doing all this shit. And the fact that we hear that story, it is believable that she goes over. I think it's obviously in a different tone. I think it's, you know, how are you guys doing? We met a couple of times. I just want to check in. Is everything okay? I saw some things online that maybe Ryan was involved. Are you guys good? Like, I don't want anything to happen to my friend Jen. That's probably how the question was posed. And I get that it might seem, you know, you're concerned for your friend or whatever. But

But in this, under a microscope, it's going to seem like you're digging and you already are being accused of digging. So this is just going to pile on. So you need to stop doing this shit. Please, with the love of God, or you're never going to be on this show again. And I think that she deserves a fair shot. I think that she can. And if she doesn't perform, then yeah, go away.

That's fine. But I think that she's putting herself at Matt and bad situations by doing these things. Stop fucking asking questions. Enough. Just live your fucking life. You don't need to know the gossip going on around town. You're in a bad spot. Nobody's going to tell you gossip.

And if they do, everybody else is going to hear that you now know gossip. So you're in a bad spot. Just recuse yourself from all of these situations, please. Yes. And I know that everyone else does it. I know that they're all currently doing it. Tamara, after defending herself, then puts herself in the same exact position by saying, well, I heard about Jen's alleged second affair.

So, yeah, it's occurring all around you. But... microscope you need to just do nothing for a year just hang out and show up like that you're a fan favorite now because of everybody watching you get literally shoved off the show you got a lot of support online just show up hang out defend yourself when needed but don't defend yourself via other people stop going to other people that was that was the other thing that was maddening to me when she starts talking about how jenn fucked with her paycheck and we're going back and forth now about this. We all know what she means. You guys got to a point where I was getting no

support and you wouldn't film with me. So I was taken off of the show for an extended period of time, which then fucked with my paycheck. And if Jen had backed her up in any way, had some sort of a spine and at least tried to hear her out because Jen just fell under the spell, which has got to be a fucking shitty backwater spell done by Gretchen to get her under a transfer. Oh, I believe Gretchen now. That could have helped Katie. And at least it would have been some somewhat watchable in the interim instead it was just nonsense and we're all sitting here like how the fuck did all these castmates just get this woman kicked off the show that doesn't make a ton of sense they deny it Emily and Jen vehemently deny it what do you think we have that much power

you do actually have that much power because if all of you show up and say yeah I don't feel comfortable filming with Katie they will remove her from the show because there will be no show they can't just force her to hang out there are limits to that we do point out those forced hangouts a lot in a lot of shows but there is a limit if you guys refuse to film with someone they're not going to put her on the show which will then fuck with their paycheck the fact that again we're looking at andy we're looking at the way that the reunion is shaking out we're not asking follow-up questions on that we're just leaving that where it is it's just it's so useless like this reunion has gotten to a point where it is so goddamn useless and there's no good information

there's nothing to talk about there's no new information coming to light we're just playing podcast clips, which I don't fucking care about. Like, yeah, of course, Tamara and Teddy are going to ask her about these things and say that Sheena Shea's involved. Of course, Shea Shea's fucking involved. These things are going so haywire that I would be pressed to find

anyone out there that's like, wow, this is a really good reunion. We're getting some good information here. We're not. We're just not. It's a Reddit thread. We're watching the live action version of a Reddit thread. Yeah. Well, did you hear about this? Whoa. What about this? Here's my, here's my

evidence. Oh, yeah? Well, here's my evidence that I got from like, it's just It's a Reddit thread where somebody is typing their reply and doesn't see the reply right above them because they're too busy typing their own reply. Correct. And I don't know what the goal is to get through because clearly we're not trying to uncover information because there are no press. For example, like you just said, the paycheck thing. Okay, we know that Housewives get paid episode to episode. They're like athletes. They get paid. game to game. All right, fine.

She called a producer. She says that she called a producer to try to get on the show, a show that she's cast on. Okay? So clearly, even if it wasn't the other ladies physically going to production and saying, I'm not comfortable with her, they saw enough on camera from everybody else to say and make the decision to pull her from the rest of the season. That is a reflection of the cast, whether it was. was said verbally or implied nonverbally.

It was very clear that those scenes after Jen, Jen was the final lifeline in that coffee date where she gives her evidence that apparently is not worth anything. It's evidence that says this man that gave the polygraph and his assistant both have an IMDB page. Not only that, they've been on Bravo before and have been outed for doing the same thing. That's good evidence.

That is something to take into account. She hands with a minnow envelope. It's treated as though she fabricated the IMDB page. No. And all you had to do there was say, I'm not sure where I stand. I'm still confused. I need more information, but I'm willing to hear you out. You're not taken aside there.

You're just saying, I'm not going to bail on you entirely because that would be fucked up since we have a real friendship. Instead, somebody that you DMD-M'd Tamara S-O-S-WS with the intention of teaming up with and going after Tamara for treating you like shit in Gretchen, who is known to lie, who is known to be with a dude that fabricates more than most housewives. You just met this woman, and you're like, I believe Gretchen.

That would be another one. I feel like what we're doing now is we're unpacking how the reunion probably should have gone. And don't get it wrong, I don't think that this reunion ever would have gone well. There was no way for... The season was so trash and this cast fucking sucks. But going back to Jen DMing Gretchen, did that happen before or after she was announced? Because Andy is holding on to, hey, we agreed that we wanted Gretchen back because she was on Housewives trip.

And we wanted to see what she looked like because we all missed her. And we thought, wow, this is a great thing. No. And I would have liked maybe Tamara to step in a little bit and just say, you came back to press meet. You came back to come after me. That was your goal. It was very clear from day one. as you showed up. That was what you wanted to do. Instead, we don't even get that, which we all

know is why she came back, because for whatever reason, Bravo refuses to address the elephant in the room. And I don't understand why. You're a very messy network. We understand that you're messy, and we love that you're messy. You brought her back to do this. You didn't bring her back because you looked at her and you're like, wow, Gretchen's so much fun. We would love to have her back on our screens. No one thought that, but we all thought she's got beef with Tamara. She was able to go toe to toe with her for a couple of years there. There's enough that we can uncover here. And we need somebody to stand up tall against Tamara.

That's going to make a good season of OC. That's why we brought her back. Just fucking admit it. I don't know what they're doing dancing around the topic like this. It makes no sense. I just truly don't understand how we can do this right after hearing. Oh, yeah, Jen, you sent SOS Tamara. That's the same fucking thing as Katie contacting somebody else being like, hey, Emily just

came after my kids at a reunion. What do you have on Emily? That's the exact same thing in my eyes. No, it's not. Yeah, I know. Because they said it's different. It's different. So it's not the same.

Like, and that's the funny thing. Like, we've said this multiple weeks in a row. I don't know if Katie's a good housewife. I don't know if she's going to step up to the plate and contribute to this show. Because she's had no opportunity to do that. All I know is that I've watched the whole cast ice her out for a whole season. A cast that we don't like, a cast that. the majority of viewers don't like, watch them push somebody out, who could have, I don't

know, probably not done shit with this season. So all we're capable of doing with the season we were presented with is trying to look at all of the evidence, quote unquote, hard quotes, evidence that we've gathered throughout the season and try to surmise what actually happened and what team we should be on what's the right side of history. The only possible thing this reunion could have done successfully is bridge that gap for us, or so slightly so we could just simply take aside and move the fuck on. But in the moments where you have the opportunity to actually pull out a little bit

more, somebody else interjects and we don't go back to it, or we simply nod our heads and move on from it. So we're not really trying to get to the bottom of. We're not trying to actually press anybody. So what's the point? What are we doing here? Other than waiting, we're simply waiting for Andy to question Gretchen about being a huge homophobic.

That's all we're waiting for. And that's all we're going to do for next episode. That's the entire next episode. And really the bulk of this episode, or at least the bulk of what we can talk about, is while Matt was out there. And that was already failed before it started because he needed, and I know Katie can't really say a whole lot, but he's just being overspoken by Jen, by Gretchen. Gretchen heard what he had to say.

We couldn't really get into what he was saying. He couldn't get his phone out to show all the phone logs. We just ended up arguing with semantics because that's how Gretchen, wanted the conversation to go. Andy needed to step in there way, way, way, way more because Katie can't help out and no one else on the cast is going to help out. And if you've got a seasoned housewife like Gretchen going against Matt, who's just simply trying to defend his wife, it's not going to work. She's going to be able to steer the conversation. She's just going to talk over them and, again, argue about semantics and then lie her way through it. And we don't have Slade there

to have an actual conversation about what was discussed on the phone calls. We just hear, which again, press harder, we just hear Gretchen say over and over again, well, Slade debriefed me. Slade told me what happened on that phone call. What does that mean to me? So now it's just Slade's word, but from a third party now coming to the reunion against the guy who was actually on the phone call, I'm going to believe the guy who was actually on the phone call. I'm going to believe the guy who willingly showed his call logs that showed my spicy Asian, his wife, and then Slade, Gretchen, Slade, Gretchen, Slade, Gretchen, Slade, Gretchen, back and forth, until we get to that looked like about 15 phone calls he showed his fucking call logs where are your call logs from

Verizon you looked it all up you're really going to do all of that but you're innocent that doesn't and you're not going to bring it with you yeah like oh nor are we even going to ask for it so like what's the point in bravo and andy bringing matt out there allowing him to come out if we're not going to look further into what he's saying if we're not going to say all right you've got your call logs right here yeah i've seen andy look on people's phones a million times grab Matt's phone look at it here we go slade slate slate slate slate slate here's the text messages hold the line why are we not doing that like at least do that otherwise what's the point and i don't fucking care because jen abandoned katie so yeah he's got an axe to grind when it comes to jen and gretchen sucks

and gretchen's lying and gretchen's lying about his wife so of course he's going to cut her off and he did it in a couple of funny ways the jem one was a little bit more rude but still deserved because Jen immediately threw Katie under the bus so that she could be in with the quote unquote cool kids which is really just I'm going to play the numbers game here seems like everybody seems to be leaning towards Gretchen I don't really care what Tamara's doing but I've got beef with her but we've got Emily over here we've got Gina over here

Heather seems to be checked out and Gretchen's here that's like three or four housewives versus one I'm going to pick that side which is what we've been saying about Jen since she went through the gauntlet coming onto the season two seasons ago when Tamara threw her under the bus immediately. She had a rough start, and since then, she's just been trying to play the numbers game. Let me be friends with these people. Oh, one of my good, close friends, an actual friend who I could maybe hang out with, do double date, might have my back in the future. She's standing alone

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For alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. responsibly product availability varies by region see app for details it's just frustrating because when i look at it like how could we what is an effective method with what we have to shift to the bullshit okay at the very least we can compare lies right so you're claiming 11 minutes fine matt's claiming 42 43 whatever pull out your phones yep you're claiming he only called that's what we're going to do then yeah pull up your phone Right. And so then at the point we're going to talk about, show it. Yeah. And then we can at least say, okay, it was 40 minutes long. There's one point for them. Or it was only four phone calls. One point for Gretchen and Slate. Add up the fucking points and we can pick aside. But you're not doing any of that. We refuse to get further into this stuff. I don't know if it's because they're like, all right, Katie didn't work. Let's just get through this reunion and she's done. And we're going to try to think something else. I don't know what the thought process is behind the lack of digging into any.

anything because that's what this is for there's nothing else to talk about nothing else happened this season we've gotten through all of that and you're forcing it through like if i go through this reunion and read because i number every topic in reunions like we're jumping from one thing to the next scene after scene because there's nothing to sink our teeth into like we go to will and ryan then as soon as that's done we go to heather doing comedy then we talk about gen lifting we talk about emily getting dry humped and then that leads us to matt and katie Like those are not What are we fucking doing?

Again, that's what I'm saying. And usually a second episode or of a reunion, that's a pretty good house wave show. Obviously, we've been spoiled recently with the Salt Lakes and Miami's of the world. But if you have a pretty good season, Potomac's doing well. We'll have to see how that goes.

But that middle of the pack where it's an enjoyable season, yeah, the second episode of a three-part reunion, we get into the weird shit that happens, the weird little storylines that, yeah, we can't really talk a whole lot about. but we need updates on them. We want to see how the families are doing. We want to see how your journey is going for whatever you're going through.

That's the second episode of a reunion. And then at the end of it, we get kick off something that's going to start the third episode in a big way. That's how those go. And they're following the same format. The difference is we don't give a fuck. We just simply don't care about these women enough to learn more about what their journey is, to learn more about how Emily's life is going. I don't care.

It's just noise. And then we get into it. And it's like, all right, here we go. Let's see what we have. And it's a dud. And we're flat on her face again. It's just, it's bad. There's not a lot more to say, honestly.

It's just a bad product. Yeah. And when it comes to the mat stuff, I think we both get it. I get it. Yes, it's a shitty look to be on TV, cutting off women and yelling at them. Yes, I agree with that. I know that it came off harsh. I know it could have been done differently.

But I also understand this is not your wheelhouse. You're out on stage. You've seen the fallout from what this did to your wife in first person. So you know exactly how emotional this is. You know how invested you personally are in this. So yeah, there's some emotionality involved when you get out on stage, not condoning it. Just saying I understand where he was coming from. And again, the overall message of it was just trying to defend his wife while Gretchen is talking over him and trying to spit.

And this should, I hope. At least some of you, yeah, this should be a glimpse into what their defense is on the Gretchen and Slade side because they try to use something against Matt where they said, well, yeah, you want to talk about it? Let's talk about it. You said that Eddie was gay. The minute I met Eddie, he was gay. Why did she?

Why? I know why. Because she tried to say it out there because you let off with some story about Eddie walking in with a guy that he was allegedly hooking up with, to which Matt replied the minute I met him. I thought he was gay. That's what happened. I know that's what happened. So now you're picking and choosing which part of the story to tell to say that they're talking shit, but you instigated this shit. Or more than likely, and 99.9% sure this is what happened, Slade can't fucking help himself, who has called Eddie Gay in the past, brought it back up to try to

do this, this exact thing. This is going to come out in one way, shape, or form. I Either it's going to be beneficial and we can back up Katie or it's going to look like shit and we can use it against Katie. It's fucking sloppy, clumsy house wifery. If you just simply listen through the over-talking, you can clearly see what happened. It's stupid. And anybody, again, I don't know what happened. I'm not saying I believe Katie and Matt outright.

But if you're taking the side of Gretchen, who just this season has been caught. in multiple lie after lie. We call her out of the reunion about quote unquote miss speaking. Okay, why do we brush that one off? Why is she miss speaking? But in other instances, we hold people to the fire for semantics. This whole episode is a semantical argument. Well, that was the miss speaking thing was insane too, because other people got involved

too. Even Emily said, no, somebody calling Shane Sean is misspeaking. Great point. But then we didn't go any further. It doesn't make any sense. Like we're talking about whether or not you said, yeah, I went to the hospital or I should have gone to the hospital. And she's like, you know what? When you've been through a traumatic event and you're trying to remember what's going on and now people are bringing it back up,

you misspeak a little bit. That is not misspeaking. That's misremembering. That's now saying something that didn't happen or saying something that actually did happen. And then either way, you're lying about one of the two because years ago, 15 years ago, and that's your case is, If I did go to the hospital and I got a toxicology report, that would have been much bigger news. I agree. It would have. No shit. That's not the point.

I'm assuming you didn't get a toxicology report, but you're talking about how you may have done that, how you may have gone to the hospital. You're doing that now and you're telling other people that now. You started this whole thing because you brought it up. And yeah, it was 15 years ago, but you didn't have to bring it up. And a little more, I guess, you. didn't have to lie and say, I did go to the hospital while you were in the car with everybody else. That's not misspeaking. That's lying or telling the truth. I don't know which it is and I don't really care anymore, but one of them is a lot. And that's not ever further discussed. We don't go

further into it because I, again, I think Tamara's done. I think Tamara recognizes all of the things that I tried and just tried to poke and prod and do all these things, little little things here and there. I realized right away, the reaction sucked and it's not good TV. So I'm just going to take a step back. So now that we're getting into all of those things that Tamara tried to do all season that tried to further the show and further a storyline that we could sink our teeth into, she's done. She's checked out. She's not going to ask more questions because she knows what she's going to get. And I don't blame Tamara for doing that. I don't either.

And then looking at that whole situation with the lying or the not lying, just fabricating this story, like you said, for whatever reason, Andy as well, is hyper fixated on, well, if that had happened. and we yeah dude we know we all would have heard about it would have been massive news that's not not we're fucking saying we're saying there is no like you are proving her point you're proving katie's point with this and no one even realizes it we're saying exactly that if this had happened there would have been a lot of shit about it there isn't and yet she's saying on fucking camera on mother fucking camera she is saying i went to the hospital but that doesn't count because in just that moment, just this moment, we have a group of housewives that put their foot in their mouth pretty much every episode. They can't fucking help themselves. And for this one instance,

this has never worked in any other scene of a miss speaking. But in this instance, this is the time that we're going to believe it outright. Oh, okay. That clears everything up. Well, yeah. Let's, let's dig into the records. Was it there? Oh, wow. She's completely recused. She's exonerated. because she didn't get a toxicology report. Then why did she say? Why are the words toxicology report even floating around if she didn't get one? Because she's lying, because she didn't know what to do. Her number one task was to go after Tamara.

All of it fell apart. This was her hell merry. Maybe if I just insinuate here or there, it was probably Slade's idea that I did actually get a toxicology report. Maybe I put a little, plant a little seed here and there with Katie and Jen. Jen doesn't fucking remember. Katie remembers. Katie then goes and talks to Kiki Monique, which she's. shouldn't have done in the first place, but she did anyway, it doesn't go further than that

because they refuse. And now we're refusing as Bravo to talk about it even more and to talk about the fact that you're lying about this actively as a way to get back at Tamara. And it didn't work. And now we've got a lot more questions. And if you're proven as a liar, then this whole thing goes away and Katie's exonerated. The problem is Katie gets exonerated. They're just going to find some other reason to not like her. They're going to find some other reason to keep her away. we talked more about whether or not Slade had called Matt a million times than we did about Jen and Gretchen posting an Asian hate video like what and then Jen getting mad at Katie about it because Katie that tells you everything understandably so took offense to the video

she also clarified I didn't raise the alarm and text you and go oh my God you're racist towards me specifically yep she was insulted by the video because it's offensive as shit because you guys have the brains of a pee and she had a reaction to it for you to say how dare you how dare you call me race she didn't she's alluding to the racist video that you made

because you're stupid and the only thing we get from it is Andy saying why did you post that video well I did and I took it down right away you know it just it just happened it just happened but then she jumps back at Katie and goes how dare you it's like you're missing the point you did something dumb. Her reaction to it is her reaction to it.

As is anybody else that was offended by that video, you don't get to pick and choose because you know me and you know I'm not racist. That's irrelevant. Because you're white women that live in California. You can do nothing wrong. That's what I'm getting. You're white women in OC of all places doing a video

making outlandish quote unquote like karate noises and other hurtful things. And then you get called out for it, not by Katie. Not by Katie. Just Katie. By the community to tell it. Yeah. Katie's acknowledging, as an Asian woman, yes, this is extremely offensive to Asian people.

And Jen going, how dare, no, dude, it doesn't matter what her reaction is. My favorite part about that exchange was Katie saying verbatim, you texted me and said, how dare you think that I'm racist? And Jen going, no, I didn't. I didn't text you that. And then follows it right up with a how dare you. And it's like, so you do talk like that. The irony.

That is your vernacular. Okay. And you don't remember anything. So why would I believe your side of it? Like in that moment, just because you're mad at Katie, just shut up and be like, yeah, that all that should have been said was I really didn't think that one through. I am mortified at the result. And I will never do that again. Katie, as an Asian person, if that offended you too, I'm really sorry.

Not how dare you think I'm racist. Gretchen's, Gretchen's apology to Katie, which obviously was accepted, was nicer than what Jen was doing. yes and it's like wait a minute how the fuck did we get here i didn't expect gretchen to actually genuinely apologize say you know what that was a bad idea for the chat gpt thing she was trying to overstep because she didn't like try to clean it up anymore yeah it was it clearly was they put it through the i thing which is fairly ridiculously accurate it's full proof yeah yeah there's no way to like the fact that gretchen gets i would have loved it but uh so much more if after andy asked like do you accept their apologies if she looked at gretchen it was like

Yeah, I accept yours. Fuck you. Fuck you, Jen. Like, just, you know what? That bridge is burned. And I do think that maybe Katie thinks, like, all right, maybe we can get through this because I do like Jen as a friend. The bridge is burnt.

Just move on and just go after her. Like, be mean to her. Why not? I don't think she has an error at this point. I don't think she does. Yeah. And maybe, you know, that's Matt had to come out to defend. But like, I just don't know what we're doing.

I don't know. Like you said, we're going to get into the homophobic and transphobic things that Gretchen liked in the next episode. I'm assuming that's going to take a. a bulk. I don't expect any spillover from this into the next episode. We're probably just going to wrap this up pretty quickly in the next episode. And then we'll get into all of the Gretchen stuff. They'll probably try to do some cutesy bullshit like, and the ladies went to Amsterdam and had a great time. Shannon, what was it like taking mushrooms in Amsterdam? Did you think the

O.C. theme song was playing? Yeah, that's a thousand percent what we're going to get into. Then we'll get into the Gretchen stuff. And then at the end, we'll just do a wrap up where everybody seems like they're cool and then we'll probably get some dressing room shut the ship where katie's like i don't think i can trust any of these women maybe a little get together with tamar and katie i think i just wrote the third episode for us so we don't actually yeah you guys listening at home maybe maybe you don't watch it we just recapped it that was the recap and then yeah uh and then we don't have to watch it guys guys i'm sure i already saw a couple of our questions come through in the first couple we're like yeah you guys don't have to watch this shit anymore if there's enough in there maybe we

won't it's just like again it's so funny because the overall message if you listen to these episodes is like we're the biggest katy stands on the planet and yeah it's not even that it's just this is such a ridiculous take down where there's so many holes that could have been rectified if we had just addressed and followed through on questions this episode we have that out there we can get to the bottom of this but we're not doing that Our standpoint is not that we're huge Katie stands. Our standpoint is let her fucking talk. Let Matt talk.

So at least we can talk about something. The way that it's going, we're not talking about anything. No. And by the way, the biggest thing that I wish they understood on that stage, we don't trust any of you at all. Like even remotely, Shannon is the most trustworthy and Heather, probably. other than that you guys all lie through your teeth constantly so we're not listening when you're trying to defend we're looking for evidence and receipts that you allegedly have in all of your phones yeah but we're not going to pull it up yep i hate you i hate the show i hate the show too and and we're going to have to do the next one actually because the first question i see here is uh christine d philippus no questions but cannot wait to hear your thoughts on this wreck so that means

I have to do it again. Let's get to an actual question, though. From Lizelad, did you think that Gresham was chiving in so much to stop Matt from speaking, guilty? Yes, that's exactly what she was doing. She was using her powers as a housewife that she's gained to just overtalk and just try to get as loud as possible, try to steer it in a different direction, throw a couple of deflections out there just so he couldn't talk. And it worked, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, from Jennifer Tate, 26.

why is it acceptable for Gretchen to keep mentioning Eddie is gay? That's the other thing that gets glossed over. One bringing this up frequently is Gretchen and Slade. No, Matt shouldn't have said that, but he was clearly teed up for it by Gretchen and Slate. Like, that's so obvious that it's like annoying that anyone else has any other take on. Also, people that are offended because Matt looked at Gretchen and was like, what is the Slade's third housewife? Like, fourth housewife? There's nothing about.

And she goes, no, it's a third. It's like, that's a fair game. And then people are like, oh, that's too much. Like, no, it's not. That's a fact. It's just a fact about Slate. B. Alejandra Deeks. Can barely sit through it.

Get Gretchen and Emily out of here. Please take Gino with you. Joanne Beach. I'm not sure what you're referencing, but it applies to everything. I'm so confused. This story and explanation make no sense, question mark,

exclamation point? Yeah. Agreed. Katie Quinn 88. Why are people not concerned that Katie ran to the press with her friend's story? Because nobody. gives the shit we agree she needs to stop talking to people but i just don't care there's bigger fish to fry that we're never going to fry yep rachel michaelus said there's so much

complaining with oc and news episode it makes me nervous we'll be through it soon but we're not going to change who we are to get through no that's the thing like what do you to the people out there that do listen to these episodes and you're really enjoying oc i'm happy for you She said that she's not enjoying it, by the way. That was a clarification. I just don't know exactly what you want from us. Like, we are authentic. Like, we're not going to just fucking.

This is how we do with it. Get on her knees for Bravo. If we're not enjoying an episode or we're not enjoying a season or a franchise, we're going to tell you. Listen to Salt Lake or Potomac right now. We're very cheerful about those shows. Oh, yeah. And like a lot of our news recaps are about people we don't like getting added to.

good shows that we like, so we get frustrated at potential editions on those shows. We don't like to be negative, Rachel. It's not our favorite thing, but this is how we cope with tough seasons is by being negative with each other. This is a great point. And maybe it's our last one, but from Zoe Cudlopole, I miss when Housewives didn't need the paycheck. So do we, because it made things so much better.

They didn't care about stepping on toes. And I know that we've gotten to a point where, you know, it's kind of a fine line where we want them to be friends. We want them to at least be around each other a lot. But we also want them to not give a shit about the things that they're saying and doing because it makes for such a better show. But they need to be friends first. And I get that. And there's so many casts out there and OC is a good one where they're not really friends. They don't hang out off screen, which is why you need to bring a Vicky back because the friendships are tumultuous.

They go back and forth. Like that makes for a good show. but on a show like this and a cast like this like I don't care about Gina and Emily's friendship Heather just kind of floats around Tamara doesn't care about any of them

like it doesn't really work so they're going to step on toes and do shit but it doesn't really matter in the long run I got one more okay from if I say this incorrectly I apologize but from Pugia out of Sara Patel

why that is all yeah that sums it off perfectly we don't know is the answer we don't know uh but we got one more if you are enjoying the hate watch then you'll have no issue with this if you are bothered by us being negative just know there's only one more episode and then we'll probably reference this season for another like two or three weeks in some other shows sparingly and then we'll probably say years yeah we'll see but the hate watch

is almost over everybody so sure hang in there we're getting through it and if you're enjoying it, then thanks for putting us through this misery. Yeah. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. Bro's got to go.

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