Bros & Shows - Meredith Makes Amends? (RHOSLC Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 30, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOSLC keeps truckin and this was a bit of a filler episode, BUT, it was still very enjoyable. The bulk of the episode surrounds the ladies confronting Meredith and Lisa. Meredith refuses to take acocuntability at the table. Mary voices her concerns. Whitney takes it a step too far when she draws comparisons to her father who suffers from addiction. Meredith sits down with Brittani in an attempt to clear the air... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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the most important thing is that i think we can move on from it after this episode i think we can move on to it and we can see what the end game looks like and look everything's starting to form exactly how i wanted it to shows bros and shows i gotta have me my pros and shows bros and shows I got to have me my bros and shows Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros and shows. I'm your co-host, Steel Russell,

joined as always by the one and only Shooter Mick Gobbler. What's up, dude? Just gobbling everything over here, gobbling anything I can get my hands on. Gop-gobble, if you will. Yeah, happy Turkey Day. I don't know.

When are we releasing this? Tonight, tomorrow? Yeah, probably. Happy Turkey Day. Happy Turkey Day. buddy. I hope he had some turkey. Yeah. At the very least. Me too. Happy

death to my ancestors day. You know? You gotta go there? Every year. Yeah, because the premise of Thanksgiving is horseshit. That's not what really happened. But hey, as long as we can all come together, I go to Thanksgiving under the guise of, like, not the historical significance of Thanksgiving. You're like, think of the atrocities. I don't. I have to think of it like. oh, it's just a nice time for family to gather,

and I'm excited for that. I do not subscribe to the bullshit whitewashed version of what actually happened back in the olden days. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can say the same thing about Christmas, huh? Probably. Santa committed a lot of atrocities. Santa was a monster.

He breaks into people's houses. Like, if we're celebrating that, okay, great. Unbelievable. Anyway, now that I've set your Thanksgiving day off on the right foot with that little tirade. We're here to talk about Salt Lake. And like I said in the cold opening, we got

some answers, kind of all we got, what we really got is movement. And that's what we needed from this. We got movement. We got I think some intentions are a lot more clear now. I feel like we're never going to get

the full answer as to what happened on that plane. Because either someone's neglecting accountability or someone's making things up or exacerbating. We're never going to get the full answer. We're never going to get the full story. So let's move on. And I understand how these shows work.

We're going to have to talk about it. If it was even remotely as bad as people are saying, we've got to talk about it for a few episodes, but they have to realize if we're not getting any new information and nothing's coming of this, we can use this as a foundation and build on it. And then you guys can keep kind of dipping back in here and there. but you need to figure out where you stand because some teams are being divided and you need to figure out which side

the divide that you're on. Yeah, and I think that with this one in particular, it's somewhere in the middle of all the reasons you just said. I do think it's being exacerbated in some regards. I do think that the lack of accountability is still shocking and we kind of land somewhere in the middle of we're never going to figure this out. But I think I've gleaned a pretty good understanding

of what happened on that airplane given the past couple of episodes. I think that I think Meredith was really fucking mean. I don't know how loud she was to the point where people in the back of the plane were hearing her. I think she was really fucking mean. I think she was a little too loud. And I think

that Brittany probably got a little more upset than was probably warranted. But I do think that Meredith was really fucking mean. I think Lisa might have gotten slightly riled up. I don't think she was as culpable or nearly as culpable as Meredith was,

but I do think that she was a little riled up and just doing what Lisa does. So Brittany might have read that as, oh, you're attacking me too. And I think the biggest takeaway for me with all of that is Meredith needs to get her shit together in a lot of different ways.

And it's not just the mean stuff. Like I have a lot of bones to pick with Meredith. Okay. But I was watching that, and I was under the guise of you're going to have an issue with the way the things were talked about, especially with Whitney and how she was talking about Meredith.

I feel like you're going to have an issue with that. Am I wrong? I have an issue with making blanket statements on substances when we don't know what's going on. So yeah, I think that outing it in that regard is never a good way to go about it. That means...

I just like, it's actually kind of funny, because I said that I was re-watching Salt Lake and I was in season one. And I think season one is the last time that we saw Whitney's dad and Whitney's siblings at all. She doesn't even talk about her family anymore. They all went to Mary's church.

He was having a great time. He's got that crazy toupee. So, yeah, I mean, seeing that in the last couple of weeks and then Whitney bringing it back up finally was kind of interesting for me because I'm thinking to myself, she doesn't even talk about her family anymore. We don't hear anything about our siblings.

We don't hear anything about her dad. We have no idea where anybody is, really. And watching that in the last couple of weeks and then her bringing it up seemed fortuitous for me because I was clear of mind that it was very clear in my minds that. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't do that. What's not making parisans? But I will say we are right on schedule for what I thought was going to happen. This is the time of year. It's the time of the season where Heather and Whitney have a full head of steam.

But they're starting to fizzle out. And you can see the cracks. And we've done this so many times where we can see right through everything and see right where the fault is. All Lisa and Meredith really have to do is pretty much what they did in this episode. And they're going to be fine. And Whitney and Heather are going to build themselves or rather dig themselves a grave. They're going to be on the wrong side of history once again.

They do this every time. And like, we're not surprised. Sometimes we hope for better outcomes here and there depending on the situation. But for this, it was just like the writing was on the wall. I knew that this was coming. It was really just the wild cards of the group. Where are they going to stand? Mary's kind of her own entity at this point.

She has a clear conscience when it comes to what Meredith was doing. She doesn't really care about anything else. She still has the same disdain towards Brittany. She's not going to invite Brittany to things, fine. But she just wants to clear a path for Meredith to move forward and hope that she can come out on the other side. That's what she really wants because I think she loves Meredith. So she's not going to see it from the other perspective. if she's not going to say, well, you know, I got to go to a different team.

That's just not Mary's vibe. But Bromwin, this is what we talked about a couple of weeks ago. Where's she going to fall? And I think she's going to get pushed to Meredith and Lisa. And that's what I wanted anyway. So I'm happy with the outcome. I don't know about that one. I think that you're right in regards to where they're headed right now.

What I need Heather and Whitney to do, which would show a lot of growth, now that Brittany and Meredith have seemingly squashed this, they need to also squash this. Okay, the two people that are involved in this are going to move forward. I need you guys to not do what you do. You actually see it happening? No, because we've watched it, what, four years in a row? I agree with you.

I fully agree with you. Yeah, if they do, though, like that is a different perspective that we haven't seen. And I'm cool. Like, I don't mind, this is what's so funny about their play that they do all the time. I don't mind the buildup. I don't mind that they're going after them right now because we still don't really know what happened on that plane. We're still in the midst of it where it's like, if you guys want to raise some hell right now and poke people and see what we can get out of them, fine. I don't give a shit.

This is the time to do it. Once it has been squashed amongst the people that are involved, we must then move forward to new things. We cannot sit here for the rest of the season, Whitney and Heather, okay? Because that's what you do, and that's when you lose all of us. it is really funny too because this happens like i said we're right on schedule for when this happens and it's always heather leading the charge sometimes whitney's with her sometimes whitney's not with her when whitney is with her they do what you just said they go overboard everything is done settled squash we need to move on to something else there's no shortage of

things that we can move on to there's always something going on especially on this show yeah yeah and yet they'll hold on to that and they'll try to look at it from different angles to try to achieve the same thing that they wanted, which was to take down of Lisa Barlow, or at the very least, just getting her to be accountable. I don't even think they really care about Meredith. This was a means to an end to get after Lisa. That's all I'm seeing this as. But when it's Whitney and Heather together in these situations, they take it too far.

And then they lose us the audience. If it's just Heather, she falls short. So Whitney is like that extra power that kind of pushes things through. I'd actually rather than- She's that voice in the back of her head that's convincing her. No, no, you're doing the right thing. Keep doing. Yeah, exactly.

or they'll have a moment for the two of them will disagree and then fall apart and then we're going to do the whole thing over again. So it's very funny to just keep an eye on that one. But again, this show has so many good things going for it. There's so many good characters on this show that even that going on in the background will not take away from the main story.

No, I won't derail things. It's just going to take it down a notch of where we've currently been for fucking eight weeks now. I don't want to step back. a full two seasons and eight weeks yeah yeah so like i don't want to go back to that because this has the same makings of the black eye where it's like we don't know right we're not going to get anymore that's what this episode did for me that's why i wasn't irritated at this episode because it's like we've now reached the threshold of knowledge that we're going to gain from this interaction

and let's just jump in i mean we're already in it but as they're at this like post-sermon lunch they're all trying to get to Meredith and get through to Meredith. And I'm not listening to anybody at the table except for Mary. And Mary confirms to me that this was bad. She also confirms to me that this was not end of the world bad, but this was bad enough to where she is concerned about Meredith. She does not acknowledge Lisa, therefore it's somewhat exonerated Lisa for me. I'm like, okay, Lisa may have been.

been party to somewhat, but it wasn't bad enough, because if it was bad enough, Mary would have no issues calling her out in front of everybody right now. So that cleaned that up for me. As far as Meredith goes, I think the route that they're trying to get to how Mary's doing it the correct way. Whitney's doing it the incorrect way. You are 100% correct. Drawing comparisons to your addict father to Meredith is wild and incorrect. It was insane. And damage. And it was coming from so far away and you could see it as soon as she started talking about drinking at the airport. It's like, oh, God, I know where you're going. At least just keep it on drinking. If you want to just keep it on drinking, I'm okay with that because we've seen that before.

And that's fine. If you want to, if you want to claim that she was just pissed off and she was angry drinking and then she got a little too drunk, maybe even blacked out, which is a problem within itself for an international flight. But if she got to that point and then she was berating Brittany, then yeah, okay, I understand that. Keep it on task. But to suggest that there's some other drugs involved, that there's some illicit substances involved, don't just don't. Like, I know what you're doing. You're trying to be shady, but like there is a level where you don't bring those things into it. You're already being sufficiently shady by suggesting that she was drinking too much before the flight, that she was drinking on the flight and it was just

fueling her rage towards Brittany. That's something that I think is well within the realm. When you start suggesting other things outside of it, that's where I get a problem with it. because, again, we can't substantiate that. And I know that next week it looks like in their revolutionary gear, which I got excited because I was like, holy shit, did they go to Philadelphia? But I think we would have known that. I was so pissed if they came to Philly and we did not know that.

Furious, because one, Heather didn't tell us that they were coming. And we've been talking to Heather for like three years now. Yeah. So that would have sucked. But anyway, when it comes to Mary and I'm with you, I'm only listening to Mary at this table. I also do think the way that this is going, Mary and Meredith love each other in a weird way.

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she's around all the time. If Brittany was doing this, she'd be like, Britney, you were fucking insane. I'd, like, I want nothing to do with this. But I feel like we're getting lost in this because everybody else is shouting over each other that it was really bad and it was so bad and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we've talked about this for a long time. But I feel like with Mary, this is one of her close friends. This is somebody that she respects. This is somebody that she knows. They wouldn't want their image posted out there like this. So, hey, let's nip this in the butt. It's not a, let's raise all the alarms. All the things are sounding off. let's go ahead and try to get into like a psych ward and try to figure out what the hell is going

on. It's nothing like that. It's not that bad. It's just unpleasant behavior in public. And I feel like that's where Mary's threshold is pretty low. But it was enough for her to at least look over and be like, I'm a little concerned about what the hell's going on back here. Everyone else, I don't care about what they're saying. I think Brahman did a good job. Brahman did a good job in this scene talking about what she talked to Whitney about. Now, if we remember that scene, that was very uncomfortable. So I don't really remember what Whitney and Bramman talked about before their weird little open marriage, open relationship conversation that they had after that. But I do feel like somewhere in there, we're seeing where everybody kind of lies. And the fact that Bramwin is bringing it up, and I think that's what makes this show great, you're just bringing up all the information that you have.

And we have one person who was not there. So they are sitting there trying to get unbiased takes on what happened. And the fact that Bramwin's like, okay, I don't really like how this is going, but let's talk about. what Whitney and I talked about. I think that's important. Yeah, and I think that her acknowledging that Meredith, given all of the information, Meredith, third party outside looking in, I think you're wrong. Mary confirms that you're wrong. Mary seems to have the best handle on this whole situation.

And what Mary, in my opinion, is trying to do, given her background with Robert Jr., she is hinting at things to Meredith. She's saying, I'm concerned. we know what she's implying right you don't remember this that's concerning what's the reasons behind you not remembering the implications are the same thing that whitney's implying but you don't say it flat out because then you draw comparisons and what you do to an addict or somebody just that potentially struggling at the moment right i'm not calling her an addict by any means somebody struggling with something like that if you whitney go about it that way then

she is actually struggling with certain things she is now going to try to prove you wrong and what an addict or somebody going through a difficult time with substances involved gets to the point where it goes i'm going to prove you wrong things go south fast so if that's never what you you don't want to push her towards it right now whereas mary is going hey i love you this is not normal behavior, I'm concerned about you, and if there's anything else going on, I'm noticing things. It's just raising a flag and going, hey, I see things aren't great. I'm concerned about the reasoning.

So. Yeah. And that could be enough for Meredith to go, I need to look inward and go, e, you've got to clean it up. Now, knowing Meredith and her personality, I feel like in a group setting, it's probably not going to be conducive to her turning and saying, you know what, Mary, you're right. I do need to at least address this, try to talk my way through it, figure things out, whatever they might have.

She would never. She would never in a group setting. One-on-one, it's about 50-50. I think the chances are a little bit better with Mary in the picture. If it's just Mary and Meredith sitting down, you might get an honest answer out of her. But in a group setting, it's never going to work. I thought that she handled this pretty well. But obviously, I mean, Crazy Rich Azen is a great movie.

So I get it. I understand why maybe you weren't paying a whole lot of attention to what's going on around you when you're doing that. maybe she did fall asleep. It's not for me to say. But I don't really care for how quickly they're like, okay, yeah, we're done with Meredith. Let's move on to Lisa. Now, Brittany says that you're just as culpable as the rest of them. Brittany says that you're just as culpable as Meredith is. That's fucking atrocious. That makes no sense to me. That is so stupid that you're going to just go from this, which I do think is a good point to raise for Meredith in saying, hey, your behavior was unacceptable. That was pretty fucking nuts. Everybody's telling you that you were

yelling on the plane. There is some level of you shouldn't have done that. So take some accountability. Fine. See if you can push her to do that. Great. Turning over to Lisa and saying Brittany thinks that you're just as culpable as Meredith is, that's ridiculous. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And that's where the witch hunt comes in. And that's where I'm like, all right, Heather and Whitney and not, we can't do this. This isn't the way to do it. You guys had had her on the yacht. You had her in a good place. If she's screaming and crying and calling J.B. and sitting on the dock, that's where you actually want her to be, because if she starts to feel alienated, she'll come back up. But if you're going to come at her with this bullshit, she's not

going to address it. She's just going to go back into release a Barlow hole, and you're not going to get her to be accountable to anything. So it's stupid. I agree. And I think you saw a couple of moments where it kind of slips, the defense kind of slips from Heather's standpoint because she goes, well, because we're trying to keep it on the plane, right? But, Then she brings up that moment where, what did she say exactly? Oh, the ultimatum. Yeah. That was given.

It's either her or me. It's like, well, that was before the plane. And now you're using that to like to codify your argument on the plane. That doesn't make sense. So now you're pulling other things. So that tells me maybe it didn't get to the level that you're saying on the plane. Now, all of that being said, I think Meredith handled it like shit because after all of that all you have to say is you know what you're all telling me this maybe maybe i drank

too much maybe i was asleep i'm sorry if it got out of hand that wasn't my intention trying to die on the hill of i shouldn't have to apologize for venting to my friend is a really bad place to be because it's like i can vent to you shooter and say a bunch of deplorable horrible things about a person. Just because it's under the realm of venting doesn't mean. You do it on the podcast every week for Jeremiah and Alex Baskin. Right. But if they were to hear that and get upset about it, I would understand why they would be

upset. And like, if it wasn't somebody I loathed like Alex Baskin and Jeremiah Jermaine and maybe it's just an acquaintance that I was having a tiff with and then I fucking shredded them to you and said some horrible things and they found out, I would. would still owe them an apology for saying horrible things. You know, it's not like, that's where I'm like, Meredith, you know what you're saying, right, but just

just because you're venting doesn't, it's like saying no offense, but go fuck yourself. She had her over the headphones on now. That was the whole thing. That's that doesn't help her either because it's like, well, she still heard you, which implies that you were loud. So that's actually against your defense.

Something that just occurred to me, if this was such a big deal and you've got Heather and Whitney that are a couple of rows ahead that are turning around like what the hell is going on have you thought about switching your seats with brittany so she doesn't have to deal with that if you're so concerned about what brittany's going through back there and you had to hear about it the whole flight i'm not even putting this on mary because mary seems to be the most astute person that was paying attention sure brittany and mary aren't going to switch seats but heather and whitney if you see this happening and you're going to be able to sit here at this lunch table and say i watched it the whole time you were berating her but you didn't get up to go switch with her. If I'm in that position and you see a friend and acquaintance, somebody who now you're claiming didn't deserve any of that and shouldn't have gone through that,

I would have gotten up and switched. Hey, hold on. We're not doing this shit on the plane right now. It's just switch with me. I'll sit back here. Meredith, go watch your movie, take a nap. I don't care what you do. Brittany, go sit up there where you're away from them.

That's all you have to do. So now you're coming at a point of, I was concerned for Brittany's well-being. You were berating her the whole time, but you didn't do anything to stop it. You just sat there after the plane ride and said, wow, that was crazy and sent a bunch of text messages. So I don't really understand the motive. I feel like that kind of makes things a little bit murkier as far as why you're doing the things that you're doing and why you're going after Lisa and why you're going after Meredith.

But still, it's a little weird. Yeah. It just, there's too many irons in the fire. It got too big. You know, if you had kept it to just trying to get Meredith to take accountability, you would have came out of that. smelling great, but instead it gets murky because you throw too many things in there. You try to flip it on to Lisa, which again, we're deferring to Mary. Mary didn't say anything to Lisa.

That tells me that it wasn't that bad on Lisa's end. By the way, you know what? A good gateway? Hey, Meredith, you're doing what Lisa does. You're not taking accountability for your actions. That's a good way to lump Lisa into it and say, why do you guys do this? You don't have to say, well, you were just as accountable for the things that happened on the plane because you didn't stop her. I can't imagine, and imagine that Meredith is drunk and just rambling and going after Brittany

the whole time, that's got to be a bore of a task to try to get her to stop. So I think Lisa probably tried to get her to stop a couple of times, but like, what do you want to do? She shouldn't be really involved in this. That's a much better way to at least keep her on your radar and say, hey, Meredith, it seems like you're doing the things that we were just calling out Lisa for. That way, you're still talking about Lisa taking accountability, but you're also doing it in a way of Meredith, you also need to take accountability.

Otherwise, you're just going to push them together, and I don't think the rest of this group can handle a Meredith Lisa really good, good friends tandem. And if you throw anybody else in there, I don't think that they're going to come out and smelling like roses. That's also assuming that Meredith kicks herself in the ass and starts showing up to work because that's the other part of this whole thing that I'm watching. I hope so because I'm watching and it still doesn't feel like she's activated to me.

It still feels phoned dead. It still feels like, I just don't deal with this. for the end of the episode. But yeah, right now, I agree. That's good. I just, I want her to be back into this show. And I haven't felt that from her in a while. Now, the last thing I'll say about the lunch, then we can move on,

even though that, I mean, that's the majority of what happened this episode. But, um, the last thing, actresses. Yeah, what the fuck was that? But the last thing I'll say to, to wrap this up just as far as, like, finding clues and trying to map out what happened.

to finalize my exoneration of Lisa Barlow, the arguments being made against Meredith from everybody, including Mary, which is why I believe that there's some truth to most of it. I just think it did get slightly exacerbated on some ends, but they're all dying on the hill of, dude, we saw it, we watched you. Yep.

That was a disaster. I just cop to it, please. And I'm still fucking so annoyed that she couldn't just say, I'm sorry, that was too much, whatever. No one says that to Lisa, not Mary, not anybody. And when Heather's trying to say to her, well, she said you're just as culpable, she's asking Lisa, like, are you? Well, you're going after Meredith saying you were there, you saw it, you heard it.

So if I'm going to believe the Lisa rumors, you were there, you saw it, you heard it. Asking her, if she was, tells me that you don't have the evidence that you are saying you have against Lisa. therefore or meredith well with meredith i do like there's enough there when mary hear it if she was raising her voice yeah like because mary says in her confessional we're all saying this so she's acknowledging what the other ladies are saying so the acknowledgment of what they're saying combining that with a mary saying that tells me that there's at least a semblance of truth to everybody around the table like i said i think that with heather and whitney in particular it's getting ramped up a little bit.

Yeah. But I do think it was bad enough that Mary co-signs the Meredith rumors, not the Lisa rumors. Yeah. And that's really the only important thing, honestly. Yeah. We know what's going on with Lisa. We understand what the group is trying to do, or at least Heather and Whitney. We know what you're doing.

We don't like it. Just stop it. Find a different slant because there are a lot of different openings that Lisa will get herself into that will open her back up to what you want her to do ultimately, which is just take accountability but not now you're like you're forcing her to one she's going to get more confidence because she's sitting here like that's why that's why am i involved in any of this if this is what you guys are going to do and she's going to notice the witch hunt then she's just going to shut down and all of the work that you've done is negated it's gone because you made a bit dumb

move you tried to lump her into this you shouldn't know so i don't really understand but yeah i agree with you this was the bulk of the episode i'm happy with the bulk of the episode for that That was good, yeah. And we'll move on to, what is it? Is the next scene the mattress scene? Now, the next scene immediately after is, that's the end. The next scene is Bronwyn with Muzzy Muffy Mom, just talking about being a dual citizen of Brazil and the UK and now working on her U.S. citizenship.

What's the third citizen called? So you got dual citizenship, try? Tri-citizen, yeah. See, I always, I don't know, I always. A trip sit. Only trips it. Tripset sounds sick. I think you can be like multi.

I didn't, yeah, I always thought that it was dual and only dual. I didn't know if you could do more. You're going to look it up? We're crunch for time and now I have to know. Relax. What's the maximum amount of countries you're allowed to be a citizen of at one time? Hey, no problem. I'll chill out a bit.

So the number of citizenship you can hold at once kind of depends on the country. involved. There's no universal global limit. No, no. Hey, hey, just answer fast. Sure, I got you. In short, there's no set universal maximum. It really depends on each country's laws. Some allow you to have several citizenships at once, well, others might not.

Okay, cool. Thanks. Bye. Who the fuck was that? That's chat GPT guy. I don't like that guy. I don't care for him. I'm working on it. I'm working on his responses. I'm trying to get him to be like way more chills. just getting like a sexy Australian voice.

You just have some... They have other voices on chat, GPT, but I don't know which ones yet. I asked... Like the GPS, the handheld GPS that everybody had cars. Oh, yeah, you get Darth Vader on that. You can do like... Yeah, you can have sick voices, and you chose that. I didn't choose that.

I asked him to chill out, and it changed the voice to that, which isn't chill. I legit, I was like, hey, like, I was talking to it. I was like, hey, can you just, like, calm the fuck down and, like, get to the point faster and he's like sure man no problem and then that voice came out if you sarcasm love it dude I would prefer that I want him to be

more normal so I'm working on shaping my chat GPT guy so there you go so you can be a citizen of as many countries as you want to oh yeah that was the point we're crunched for time and that's what we're doing we're talking about that Heather Heather and her girls are at her house

And you just get a quick scan of the empty nest and it looks great. I'm pretty sure, like 99% sure this is a Wayfair commercial. Yeah, it was a bit Wayfair. She says, I ordered this all from Wayfair. I was like, oh, you're getting paid. It's also like a bit like early 2000s porn coded. Like, oh, let me use these binoculars and look at the pool boys. Like, oh, yeah, that's, oh, you mean the bird goggles?

Yeah, bird. Do you use those bird goggles, uh, binoculars? Yeah. with binoculars. What the fuck are we is? Yeah, I do love because it's just like this was a good episode and it was enjoyable to watch.

But it really was just that lunch, everything spills over. We finally have the whole group talking about everything that happened on the plane. And then it's just a bunch of like cut together little scenes like this where it's like, what the fuck are we doing? Why?

I guess this is just like checking in. Yeah, just like a little space out between like important scenes, I guess. Yeah. They're just trying to fill this one. This is a bit of a filler app after that first one. And after that, we get to Lisa and Meredith and they're recapping while getting manny's and patties talking about the lunch.

And now Meredith is more focused on Whitney because Whitney decided to bring all that shit to her attention, which again was a weird thing to do with the way that she did it. I also think it's weird when she is trying to defend bringing it up. And it goes with the, well, it's triggering for me. It's like, that's fine. I understand that things can be triggering. But what you're asking for in that regard is people being courteous of your trigger. Yep.

Flip that around. If she's dealing with a substance abuse problem or having a difficult time with substances currently, that could be triggering for her. I'll play the same game. Yeah, you can play the same game until you die, honestly. It's just a trigger cycle, especially with something. like Brittany, but, or, uh, like Whitney. And Britney, but, and Brittany, honestly.

Brittany's a little funnier at least, um, although that, the scene with the therapist after this isn't great, but, um, yeah, um, but with these two, one, the main takeaway I had from the scene was what I said earlier, it's pushing Lisa and Meredith closer together, which I'm okay with because it's been a while since we've had a good team up with Lisa and Meredith. They've always been like, you know, pretty much since the, you slept with everybody in New York thing in the second season. and it's just been, yeah, we're friends.

Yeah, we'll talk about this and that and do whatever. Lisa's been a rising star. She's just trying to take charge of the group. That's not working anymore. So it feels like we're kind of back to where we started, which I'm happy about. I always love when we do stuff like that. But this is when I got my idea that what Meredith is doing is rather than focusing on the Brittany thing, she's shifted her focus over to Whitney, which it's been a while since

Whitney's done something dumb to either Lisa or Meredith. So this is more par for the court. Whitney says something dumb, they take offense to it, they team up and they take her down. And I don't think that Whitney needs to be taken down right now. I don't think she's really high up enough to be taken down, but they're still going to set their sights on her. So that's what I'm expecting moving forward. Well, again, for me, the reunite king, reunitization. Reunion?

I like reunitization better. The reunitization of, I wonder if that's actually a word, Lisa and Meredith. Again, for me, the only thing I want from that is Lisa to get Meredith involved. Like, if that's what it takes, like you two being friends again and now we get some actual Meredith Mark scenes, not her. Think about that, like this season. How many scenes have we gotten with just Meredith for an extended period of time? None.

Zero. Zero. She doesn't live there. I understand all of that. And, like, I know. And I know that she has been checking. out more and more each season. But it's starting to really become noticeable because of how well everyone's doing on this cast. Even Whitney, who yeah, she's going to do Whitney things. Even Heather

is going to do Heather things. Brittany is outperforming Meredith. Like everyone's doing a great job. And because of that, it's not as obvious that Meredith's not doing shit, but it's starting to become very obvious that Meredith's not doing shit, in my opinion. Yeah, it would be okay in my mind if you were to downgrade her to a friend of. That would make more sense, honestly. Brittany can be that main friend of that's always around, but she's not a full-time housewife because I don't want her to go home-wife. Yeah, she's the Marisol.

And then just leave the group as it is. Like, Meredith can pop in and out as she's already doing. And then we won't really be honing in on that. Because I was thinking of the same thing. We don't really get alone Meredith scenes. We haven't seen Seth the entire season. We haven't seen her kids. He's with his other family in Columbus.

He's with his other family in Columbus, allegedly. but yeah no i agree with you but i think that that's kind of what we have to do to move forward now again i still do after the end of this episode feel like and kind of going into what this scene is that's what meredith's going to do for a little while is she's going to be somewhat awakened just to go after whitney for what she said at that lunch and then once that comes to fruition and once we finish that up she'll go back into what she wants yeah and that's kind of what we expect from her but i'm okay with it now and the more honestly the more time that passes. I convince myself that I'm okay with it. I don't really need Meredith to be a full-time

housewife because she's not giving full-time housewife. I agree. I think she actually lands very well as a friend of and would probably be more excited to join in on the show if she was doing it in that capacity rather than feeling like she has to show up and do all this shit. Because even when we get to her scene at the end in a minute, I'm still kind of like it just seems like you're not present for this. So we'll talk about that when we get there. But we got a quick scene with Whitney and Heather. Again, none of this is important.

They just make about 15 sperm jokes in regards to the mattress. This was just like hijinks. This is Housewave hijinks. This is like Shadden of the door coated bullshit pulling up in a U-Haul, which this doesn't make any sense to me because like you don't even have to be rich to get this service. When you buy a new mattress, they take your old mattress. Like, it's not, you know.

They needed a wacky fun scene. Or maybe were they donating it. Maybe they were donating it. A sperm-filled mattress? No, she said it wasn't sperm-filled. She said there's not one sperm, half been laid. Yeah, not one. After the third or fourth sperm joke, I was like, all right, I don't care.

Yeah, no, which I, yeah, I think that's the limit for everybody. But the only thing in this scene is her bringing up the comparison of her dad, which just because you have something going on in your life does not mean that you get to compare it to somebody on TV because now as Meredith says in regards to this whole thing now she has questions now she has to answer to things because of you and it may not have been a thing but again if she is going through something the scrutiny and the questions that are going to come from this

can result in negative effects thereafter and that's stuff that people don't think about especially for for Whitney to try to do that because she I know she's trying to be shady but she's doing it under the guise of mental health and addiction and substance abuse it's like you don't get to just throw shit against the wall sometimes because you got an inkling it's just not how it goes and you should know that she should know that given her experience with her dad so I hope that this one comes back and I hope that she has to answer for this answer for it she will and tell Meredith like I was upset that triggered me i went too far i'm sorry for saying that and even in that sentence you could

then ask her like because that's the other part with me if this is like how you feel that's a much different conversation and you should know that you can you should take meritor to the side and go look i know you're fucking mad at me right now i'm i'm really worried about you because i'm seeing things that are similar to my dad that's a private convo that's more than more than appropriate to have in the right setting, the U-Haul with Heather's not even remotely the right setting. No, it's not. And again, this is one of those things that Whitney just puts her foot in her mouth. She just goes too far.

You just don't have to, especially after that performance at lunch. I feel like it can be somewhat excused. Now, obviously, Meredith's not going to let it go as we see in her scene with Lisa, but furthering it and doubling down and then using specific examples of where she's going with it, it's just too much. It is because we don't know. the situation. You don't know the situation. You could find out about it before you speculate on TV, but you didn't do that. Goodbye, Kyle. Did the sound of those words call to you like Pavlov's

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So let's keep trying. We get to Brittany and Olivia for a quick reminder of what a horrible mom, Brittany is. And what a great girl and young woman, Olivia is. I can't believe she turned out as well as she did. It's one of my favorite things on Bravo. Anytime that we go to like an 18, 19, 20 year old girl guy, whoever it may be, they're always so well put together. And then they pan over to the housewife or pan over to whoever they're talking to.

And it's like, the fuck did you come from this train wreck? you see literally in this seat up she looks like a fucking disaster she does look like a disaster but also i just answered my own question because brittany is such a disaster that she wasn't there for olivia most of her life and moved on and preferred to be around the stepkids because her whole life was just all about her new husband that she didn't care about her old kids heartbreaking to hear but that is probably why olivia is as mature as she is because she had to move on without having her mom there because her mom wasn't really caring about her And I can appreciate Brittany taking the time to do this.

I think that her words are so fucking hollow and until we see things actually pan out, I don't buy anything that she's saying. But going through her journey to get to that point and listening to Olivia talk about it was really impressive and very eye-opening to get her perspective on this whole thing because she's the one that talks about the fact that, you know, everything was normal, got divorced, got married really fast, and it was that moment. where I felt abandoned. For seven plus years, I felt abandoned because, as you just said, she was trying to hang out with the stepkids more to appease the man. Now, this ties back into the Mormon church because somebody had a comment to share with us where it's like, you guys are too hard on Brittany because this is how the Mormon church, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Religion's not an excuse to be a shitty person. And we have on this multiple times. Definitely not a shitty parent. No, if your religion's telling you to. negate your child to appease your new husband, you should have the wherewithal to look at your religion and go, that doesn't seem correct. So no, that's not an out. That doesn't, that doesn't exonerates you from shit, actually. So anyone commenting that to us, save your strength. Okay, because I'm not going to read it. Yeah. This is case and point. She sits down with Olivia to go

into therapy. Right. And all she's thinking about is, you know, that plane ride, that trip, all the things that I went through. That's like the sixth worst thing that happened in my life. Admittedly, very funny comments make. But that's where your head is and that's where you go. And you're like, you know what? She says that with Meredith later. She says that with Meredith later. Yeah. But she did say all of the things that happened to me recently. It was a wake-up call that I do need to work on this. It's like, how? I hope so. I don't really care how you get to that point that you have a wake-up call. But how are these two things connected? That doesn't make any sense. The argument that you had with Jared in the park, which was very bizarre, that That could have been a wake-up call for you. Like, holy shit, am I really about to do this again? Fine, great. These two things are not connected, but you're still thinking about that while going in with Olivia. And I don't think that she really hears everything that Olivia is saying.

I think she's just like, nothing. Like, there's just nothing really going on. Yeah, but convenient times. I think what I will chalk it up to, because I think I've been probably the most hard on brittany for this parenting thing if you listen to uh other podcasts i call her a horrible mother every podcast but yeah well i'm a big flavor i think so yeah yeah oh yeah i was called you doesn't really believe any victims huh what was that in regards to again am i fucking wrong about this like come on it's oh with it was the merited thing right yeah that's what it was about

yeah i told you a lot of people came to your defense saying it's not that serious but with this what I will say I don't believe her at all right no there's no reason to because actions are going to speak louder than words here I will say hearing things such as I don't because at first I'm like oh you're just trying to pull the fucking sympathy card self-loathing where she's like

I don't deserve it I don't deserve it I was like it could be that or you could acknowledge possibly have a brief moment of clarity where you really don't feel deserved me because you don't deserve it. Hopefully your daughter gets to a place because of your actions where you may be able to progress this relationship. I don't want this to go down the drain for Olivia's sake.

I don't really give a fuck if Brittany gets to have a relationship with her daughter or not. I care if her daughter wants that relationship and are able to have a good relationship together. That's what's important. Olivia. So she said a lot of the right things, right? I do agree. I think there's things that definitely went in one ear and out the other.

But I will say this, we have to give people room to change. I get really frustrated when somebody makes a step and everybody just shits on it. So I have shat on it slightly. And I will say, action speak louder than words. You got a fucking mountain to climb, Brittany, before I believe any of this shit. But it's a decent first step. Then we get to the bonsai trees with Bronwyn, Muffy, and Gwen. It is Muzzy, right?

it is muzzy yeah but muff is much funnier yeah i'm gonna keep calling her muffie uh i also have to do this because of my food account i've gotten so many comments it's worcestershire sauce okay guys i know how to say worcestershire i say it funny because i think it's funny wish i werechestershire i do stuff like i really wish you just fucking pronounce it right worst ashire okay there winchester winchester winchester fieldville iowa yeah yeah i got you anyway big red door swing in the front yep dr uh bud rad these apple tree yeah there we go yeah oh god that old guy who who oh god this this scene was just simply muzzie was a little bit more tolerable at least It seems like Bronwyn just doesn't want to give up space.

Gwen wants to go to Portland. I was a little confused about that one. Is she going to Portland because she wants her chameleon to mate? No, I think that was just said right after. I had the same thought. I was like, you found another chameleon in Portland. I think she wants to go to school in Portland. Like maybe University of Oregon or something to get away from Utah, which, yes, do that, run.

Because every single housewife on this show. has horror stories and like trauma from growing up and staying in the church and going to be why you so like let's get away and yeah like you said it's it's kind of interesting honestly to see it from mother to child mother to child like this generational thing of they're experiencing similar moments in life but you're spaced out three generations I thought it was kind of fascinating to hear everybody talk muzzie muffie was slightly more tolerable Bronwyn is a mess because she doesn't want either of them to leave, which I can't imagine, especially when she's like, you know, I've never been alone.

I'm like, you really haven't. That's, that's tough. You're, you're in for it. But hopefully they continue to progress. Like, there's nothing much from this scene. You can say that musy much. I think that also Bromwin is forgetting in this moment, but, you know, maybe it'll further her friendship with the women.

Like, if she can get closer to Heather, who's having the time of her life being an empty duster, She'll probably feel a lot better when Gwen moves on, when Muzzy moves on and Todd's on, you know, a three week long business trip in Thailand. I imagine he goes to wherever the fuck he goes, yeah. Yeah. He's a big Bangkok guy. Big Bangkok guy. Yeah. When all of that happens, you can get a little closer to the women who are doing the same thing and maybe makes friends.

And maybe that'll be good for her. But I still thought this was funny. I thought it was a good scene with three of them. And again, Muzzy was a little bit more tolerable. even in the first scene that she was in. Maybe we caught her on a bad day. Who knows? Yeah, not fire all so knows.

I think she still sucks probably, but yeah, no, who knows? Oh, yeah. I'm firmly anti-Muffy, but it was a better showing. It was a better showing. And that finishes us off with Brittany and Meredith finally sitting down to chat. Meredith takes the reins and just flat out apologizes. And it actually was an apology. if I heard real apology alert it was a real apology which you don't get from Meredith very often so like that was where I got nervous I'm like you need to accept this because we're not going to get any better yep I think it's hysterical that she leads off and I try to treat people with kindness and respect but she says and like I got nervous because she leads it off with sorry you heard me talking to Lisa on the plane I was like oh no but then she gets into like if I hurt your feelings and then she just flat out says and I'm very

sorry. And I was like, that's good. That's fine. Okay. This was a well-rounded apology. It started off how we didn't want it to start off. She got that out of the way. And she moved into the nitty-gritty. Hey, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said those things. I feel bad that I hurt your feelings. That's all you have to really say. That's about as good as an apology as you're going to get. There's motive here, though, for me. This is a, let's squash this. I know that I have the upper hand. And we talked about it a couple of weeks ago. If Lisa slash Meredith apologized to Brittany, she's going to excuse it right away. This is recruiting Brittany.

They're recruiting Brittany a little bit. I don't know if she does a whole lot for your team, but it's still good. I do think that she's going to accept any apology that comes her way, to be honest, because it's gratification. It's some sort of justification for, hey, I still want to be around you, at least be civil or whatever. I took it as Brittany went to therapy. She feels better now. She knows how to navigate her feelings. This is what we're doing here.

It's a tabber judge. But Meredith, again, Meredith has set her sights back on Whitney. And in order to do that freely, you do have to squash this. You have to get past it because you're going to be able to talk from a point of you can't bring that up. Brittany and I sat down together and talked about it. When Heather and Whitney inevitably chime in and start talking about that again, she can sit with Mary and say, look, my actions were inexcusable.

I sat down with Brittany. I squashed it. It's okay. Mary will feel better, too. Now you can set your sights on Whitney, and I think that's what she's trying to do. But either way, she's still got an apology out there. I think it's what you're saying and what I'm saying with the recruitment tool because of what that does to her argument. This is all motive-based because, yes, again, it allows her to set her sights on Whitney.

Yeah. But it's even better because now you have the ammo of, and you don't even mention it to Whitney, by the way. You just go in on Whitney. And when she brings up Brittany, you just go, oh, we're going. good. I talk to Brittany. We're fine. I apologize to her. Anyway, and now you have Brittany who's going to, by the way, if you invite her to a dinner, Meredith and Lisa, like if you invite her one on one with those two, she is going to be elated. She's going to, she's going to think that you guys are actually sisters. And then when you go in on Whitney, not only will you, she not have

the defense of Britney, she's going to have to defend herself against Britney. Because Britney will 100% going on her. She's the best pawn on the chessboard. Like she will fall on the sword. She will do anything that she can to be friends with you. And you know that. She's just the easiest person to do with this with. And I think that that's going to work, honestly.

And the other side of things is Brittany apologized, which I thought was huge. I thought this was massive. I don't even think that Brittany really needed to apologize because of how bad things got. But she sits down and says, look, I did come to you with that TikTok because I thought it was shady. I wanted to do something shady. And I shouldn't have done that. And Meredith eloquently says, the thing that was the trigger for me, which this was actually a very good use of trigger,

the thing that was the trigger for me was that you did that. I knew it was shady. You knew it was shady, but you did it under the guise of I'm here to help. And I don't like that. And that's completely fair. Brittany accepted that. She said, I did exactly that and I feel bad about it. And I'm sorry.

It was a good. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was awesome. I agree. I think that it puts us. in a really good spot moving forward i think the only downfall that we will run into and it will affect the rest of the show is if heather and whitney can't move the fuck on yeah if they are

stuck on this then we can't move on and that's going to hamper the show i like you said i do think we'll be fine it's still going to be entertaining it's still going to be a good show it's great cast but that has the stench of the black eye to you from two years ago. And we don't want that, or three years ago, sorry. No. And we don't want to do that again.

We can't see the footage, guys. All right. Those two have squashed it. I'm not going to speculate for a whole fucking season again on what did or did not happen. It's not good TV. Don't do that. Let's get to some questions. First one up here from Madwob.

What's the sixth worst thing that's ever happened to you off the dome? Do you have one? Oh, I got one. When I was 10 or 11 years old, I was swimming in, you know, on 1st Street in Wildwood, North Wildwood, how sometimes the water will pool up near the rocks. Yeah. So I was swimming in that pool, which was a cesspool, and it was gross,

and it was warm, but I was 11 years old, so who knows. And then I went to go climb on those rocks to get back up so that I could jump back in. There were barnacles all over it, so I cut up the bottom of the feet, and then I had to walk back to my house that was on Furr Street at the time. I had to walk back barefoot to go get cleaned up. That sucks. So six hours. Okay. I'll go aquatic themed then.

Yeah. When I was in Aruba, my sister lost her hat off the dock, and we were about to get on the boat to go back to where we were staying. And it was like this little island and they had like a bar and stuff out there, whatever. I was a little lit, but her hat fell in the water and the dock was like six feet off the water. Of course I jumped in to get that. there was coral everywhere. So I landed, yeah, on the coral and fucked my foot up. Something, I don't know if it was a combination of booze, sun, and dehydration, or if there

was something on that coral reef, but I was sicker than a motherfucker for like 20 hours. Like fever, it was bad. Yeah, that's my sixth. Can't that happen with the sea urchin? if you get I think so but I don't I think they can also

kill you they can certain ones yeah so I don't know I stepped on something wow

it really hurt but I was also hammered and dehydrated and sunburn so maybe it was a combo of the two I don't really know

I'll never know I did get the hat though I did get that goddamn hat you damn right I did you saw the mission out that's what we like from you

and that same day again I was a little drunk but there was like you could rent snorkel gear and just go off the beach or after the hat this is before the hat this is before the hat uh and like 150 yards out it was probably 12 feet deep and on the bottom was like one of those milk crates you get from like wawa you know you know what i'm talking about it was full of cement but it also kind of looked like there was treasure yeah and so i tried and successfully did it took me like 45 minutes of like you almost drown yeah uh jumping down and moving this thing towards the shore and yes i was like

right to where i was about to be above water so i could breathe and just carry it and i was out of breath and i was like oh you just got to push through and i legit i've never done this before but like the first step of drowning is like inhaling water i inhaled a lung full of water threw up i got it out though it was just concrete next up here from Jay Bay the Hut 713 should Lisa do movie reviews absolutely I would tune in every time that was a great movie review

and she clearly watched that movie it was a relatable movie review because like there's a couple in there you're like I think that happened it's like uh close close yeah I actually really enjoyed that uh Britney 1117 Meredith was not genuine without apology Britney needs to wake the fuck up

Brittany needs to wake the fuck up about a lot of things. This is very low on the list of things. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think that this is a housewife moment where we need to take an apology and just simply move on. Yeah. From Daria PNG, hot take is Bronwyn, the problematic needy one in the relationships with her family. I don't think so.

That's not the vibe again. Not problematic. I mean, she's definitely needy, fine. Yeah, but she's self. aware of that. Like she's not like the whole scene you watch with her and Muffy in regards to like leaving the house. She's very aware of what she's saying. She's like, look, I know that this is a me problem. But when you hear her say things like she's looking forward to the best days of her life, I'm recognizing that those days are now behind me because she's leaving. Yeah. At the same time,

it's important for her to get out. Yeah. She's just doing like a typical I love you from like a mom perspective where it's like, I don't want you to leave, but she's still letting Gwen go to Portland or wherever she's going to go to school. She's just voicing, I don't really want you to leave. I'm going to be alone. I'm going to be sad. And then maybe once Gwen leaves, and again, she finds out the rest of her life, she can do all this and that and whatever, and she can move away from Todd, whatever those things might entail. She'll figure all of that out. But I agree to do. I think that she's just self-aware and she's just speaking on it. the other part of that darya is i have seen and witnessed both muffie and todd and they're

assholes yeah so i haven't seen that at a bronwyn no yeah so i don't want to blame her for todd cheating on her that seems yeah for sure that seems wrong anyway uh great season great show as per us and i'm i'm very curious because you know how i am so now i'm entering that phase of like all right this next one is a big episode this will kind of dictate how the next three or four are going to go are we going to keep harping this is a gateway episode are we going to keep harping heather and whitney are we going to acknowledge that brittany and meredith seem to be fine now can we just please move on please i think it'll probably and i'm okay with this too because it's from a different angle it might be lisa

and meredith pushing back fighting i'm okay with that and i'm okay with that because If we can do that and then maybe we get back to some sort of even area, then we can move on with the season. Exactly. These are all potentials. We will see what happens. But to all of you, happy turkey day, happy Thanksgiving, all that good shit, enjoy yourself, eat lots of food, and take a good nap and watch some football.

That sounds like a great day. Gobble whatever you want. Yeah. Well, that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Oh, that's our show, bro. has got to go. Go birds, Friday. Bears. Yeah.

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