Bros & Shows - Mia and Inc Cause a Stink (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

What's up Bros? It's Potomac time and we have a Super Bowl party to attend. In this episode, Ashley is talking about her life after Michael and her concern over her mom's health. Karen continues to take no accountability for what happens and meets with her cousin to discuss what she's going through. She continues to lean on 'the truth will prevail' and honestly its getting a bit exhausting. Kierna and Mia squash their beef for now but it seems like a loose apology from Mia at best. Gizelle plays mediator between Karen and Mia over the opiods comment and it is yet another example of Karen's deflections as she tries to point the finger everywhere else except at herself. Stacey and TJ have a "date" and we are trying our best to understand this bizarre relationship... Jassi's Super Bowl party goes off without a hitch. Then we get to dive deeper into the Mia, Gordon and Inc scenario. This seems to us like something that should not only be handled off screen, but Inc's involvement in the coparenting conversation seems out of place. Gordon (who admittedly is not our favorite) refuses to film with Inc, and we continue to question why he is involved in these conversations as we are still under the impression that Jeremiah is Gordon's son. Its an absolute trainwreck that we cannot take our eyes off of. Should we be privy to this information? No. Is it captivating? Absolutely. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the Immaculate Magoutes. What's up? Oh, I really like that one.

I figured you would. Yeah, let's lean into that a little bit more. Let's get nice around here. Because we, look, this episode of Potomac that we're about to get into, to, they did something that I think is very funny. They made it very family-oriented. We got a ton of family scenes. A lot of parents, a lot of this and that, and some feel-good scenes mixed in there.

Oh, it was just lovely to see everything going on. And then they gave us something that we probably shouldn't be able to see. But I can't look away. It's the biggest train wreck I've ever watched. And no, I can't look away. And I have so many issues with it. I am uncomfortable, but I need to see it. I need to see it played out all the way to fruition.

Who's the father? Are Gordon ain't going to be okay? Is Gordon okay? This poor man is like just the oldest cuck in the world. Like he's standing in the kitchen just getting cucked. I don't know how I feel about it. I think that's probably the funniest part about this. I do not know.

I can't go through my feelings of where I'm aligned in any of this. So I'm hoping by talking about it, I'll figure it out. That's a good way to put it because I don't necessarily have like sympathy for Gordon because he's not like a great dude from what we've seen but these scenes are tough especially considering for all intents and purposes those are his children as far as we know so this I don't know we'll save it as he knows as far we'll save it for the end but my lord you're like that's so funny when you when you paint it that way that it is like this dichotomy of lovely family scenes.

Horribly broken family scene at the end. Yeah. Yeah, cool. All right, great. Well, let's not waste any time then. Let's talk about this week's Potomac episode. And I think it's really important that they started out with seven days till Karen's court date. Because for whatever reason, she still can't acknowledge anything.

This episode actually got me heated watching her scene with her cousin because I'll save a lot of stuff. We're saving things for later, guys. So make sure you keep listening because that's where the good stuff comes in. But, yeah, it was a little heated watching this, but we start out with Stacey and T.J. at the crash pad. Yep. We're at the crash pad in D.C. The funny thing is when you think of Crashpad or Bachelorpad or, like,

you're a little hideaway, you think you're going there to bink and stuff. Yeah. Not at all. No, not at all. Honestly, the first thing I thought of was, what was that show? Do you remember that show? I think it was on Showtime with Leah of Shriver, where he was a fixer in Hollywood. Um, shit, that was a great show.

He had a bachelor pad in downtown LA that he got trouble for. Right. And that's what I thought of right away. Yeah, this is not what that is. It could not be further from that. This is more like a friend hangout spot is what I gather from this. It's like a tree house. Yeah.

That's exactly what this is. It's the DC Treehouse. And I don't like watching these two alone together. It makes me uncomfortable. It makes me sad for Stacy. And she's trying very hard to, it's not even, sex. It's just intimacy at this point. And there's nothing wrong

with being intimate. Even if you're not going to boink and cross that line, I respect people's religious views. If you don't want to point till marriage, don't point till marriage. The complete lack of affection and intimacy altogether is a huge red flag. Whether you like, T.J.

could be a good dude. I don't know T.J. It gives me kind of a weird vibe. I'm not going to lie. But at the same time, just because he's holding on to his values, I'm not going to shit on him for that. no but you have to give her something because she comes in here with this this fun thing we're gonna paint each other and the winner gets something and you know what she's implying she's trying to make it a little sexy and he's like well what do you want she's like well if

i win i want to give you and i'm like here comes something she goes a spa day and that even that is her trying to not a reward no stacey not really but it's like an intimate thing i guess Look, if you look at it this way, it's a little different than going to the zoo. So maybe they just need to differentiate. They went to the zoo. I know. I was so excited that they did that. But, yeah, that's the thing with this.

I don't know. Like, I feel bad for Stacey because she just keeps putting herself out there. And she even has to explain that she's flirting with him. He's like, I know. He's just not taking any bites, nothing at all. But at the same time, if that's what he's doing and that's what he's been doing, I almost don't feel bad for Stacey because you're seeing this happen. And you might like them a lot, but if you do want more and he's not willing to do it because of those values that you already know about, then you got to go.

But that's not values to flirt. No, I know that. But if he's been doing that the whole time, you can't change his makeup. I agree with that. If that's what he has been doing, and it seems like he has been, and what I would say is she's probably been hanging out with the women on the show a lot more, learning more perspectives, if you will. And they're getting in her head. and now she's trying to push the envelope a little bit more than she probably did before. She should.

Maybe. But again, if this is who he is and this is who you wanted to choose to hang out with, why are you trying to change the guy? Well, push the envelope to see if there is any way forward. And if not, get the hell out of there. Because not, that's where I think she is right now. I think she should just go. I think she should go, too. But it's not, it's to the point now where he has to hammer at home to her.

Like, really let her know. We will not have sex. And we can bring it up, but I'm going to shoot it down every time. It's not funny, and it's mean. I don't think it's mean. I think it's who he is. She knows who he is, and she's still trying. I disagree.

Just give her something. Like, if he had, like, a shellfish allergy, and she just kept saying, here, you need to eat these muscles, you need to eat these oysters, that would be annoying. So he's allergic to sex. He's allergic to sex. That's the vibe I'm getting. Until he gets his shot in the arm during marriage. I said this on, we did a episode with Ryan Bailey yesterday, and if you haven't listened, go ahead and give that a list. did like the state of the union kind of just addressing every show on bravo right now but i did

say like when they were painting all i wanted was for stacey to turn her thing around and it was just her drawing a picture of tj's dick because i think that would give you every answer you need how he reacted to that would have told you is there any possible way forward because i'm under the impression now that even if they're married they're not going to boink like i there's so many questions I have. Like, if you have the complete inability, and this is, and we'll move on from this because there's not a whole lot there, but if you have the complete inability to even be affectionate or intimate with somebody, whether you're going to have sex or not, or even cross any boundaries,

I think that's a huge red flag for any relationship. There has to be intimacy, and he literally refuses. It's a friendship, this is a friendship. That's the whole thing, too. She thinks it's a relationship. I know, and that's sad for Stacey. but instead they just choose to do drawings of the woman that kind of looks like Karen. Yeah, that's what I thought too.

And the best part is like as this scene ends, she's telling him, you know, the ladies in the group, don't think that you're not sexually active and teasing you and stuff like that. And he's like, they're not making fun of you and me. And he thought this landed so hard. And I was, oh, God. And he's like, they're making fun of God. Come on. And I was like, oh, no.

I'm the right show for that. Oh, no. TJ, just fuck off. Like, I'm sorry. He probably doesn't even cuss. No, definitely not. He's a weaner. But sorry.

And again, he's just trying to be himself, but it just comes off. Not great. But let's get to Giselle and Ashley. And they're talking about Karen. And they're concerned about her. Obviously, I think anybody on this show would be concerned. I think people at home are concerned with. And it's getting to the point for me where I'm not concerned.

I'm just irritated because of the immense lack of accountability. With impending charges, she's going to court in seven days. It's one week away, and she has yet to acknowledge that she did anything wrong in this whole thing, and she's trying to maintain her innocence or something like that. It's not really up for debate for anybody watching the show, but whatever. Again, save that for later. But we're talking about an olive oil and lemon drink, because Ashley's trying to help her mom get her health on tracks. You have a little heart problem, so Evo, extra virgin olive oil.

And lemon, all I do know is, and she alludes to it, if you drink something like that, you will shit. Oh, yeah. Any oil, if you drink a lot of oil, it could be any kind of oil. I promise you, it will not turn out well. Don't ask me how I know. You might feel better after. Maybe. Maybe.

It depends on the amount you're consuming. And that's why I wanted later, I thought they were going to make it. And I was like, okay, I need to see the amount of oil being drank because it will. It will just go right out. Yeah. I don't know. I think we're getting dangerously too close to, like, Shannon in London getting an enema. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah, it's not uncharted. Yeah, it's not uncharted, but every time it pops up, I'm like, yeah, yeah, we don't need to. No. Yeah, no. But Karen arrives, and she's disappointed with Mia and Jacqueline because of them implying that she came to them about getting help with alcohol and the rehab thing. And she brings up the opioids thing again. And there is a YouTube video of Mia discussing her opioid problem that is not for Karen to discuss with anybody, especially to use it as a deflection from your own problems. Because all that tells me is you do have a problem and you're trying to point people in a different direction because that's what I used to do.

And that's coming from experience. That's easy. You think I have a problem? Well, she got addicted to opiates and went to rehab, so she's grosser than I am. And again, it paints a picture of negativity towards the recovery community. Didn't care for that as well. But Giselle even, and this is what's so strange with Giselle this season overall, is in the past, we probably would have seen her either jump on that wagon or save it for later or throw some shade.

Instead, she goes to a confessional and says, oh, now we're just going to point fingers at everybody and lash out because we don't want to deal with their own problems. Just deflection after deflection. That's all she's doing. And I think the, that's the pit of the problem here with Karen is, It's one thing to just hold on to, I can't talk about it because it's ongoing. I can talk to you guys about it after my trial, after my court hearing, whatever it might be in seven days. She's doing that, but then she's also deflecting all over the place. Yes.

So it's getting everybody else involved, which is then pissing everybody else off and pissing the viewers off. And again, we both agree you can talk about it. I don't understand why you can't talk about it. Take some responsibility at all, and it would go a very long way. But she's not taking any responsibility. She's acting like she can't talk about it because it's a legal problem And then she's just trying to pass the buck Yes

So there's just too much going on there And it's really getting irritating Obviously we can't do this forever I think by next episode we'll have a little bit more there Will at least be able to talk about the court case maybe No no no yeah no next episode is I guess them in their prayer circle Before she goes into court So maybe the episode after that

Well she just got denied for whatever she that motion she's so that was recent Yeah. So I imagine this carries over, so no, I don't think we're going to get any answers for it. And to your point of the deflection after deflection, as this is brought up, and she's like, I can't talk about it, I can't talk about it. She goes, uh, Giselle goes, I'm here for you, Karen. Like, I want you to know I'm here for you. She goes, well, I'm here for you too.

I saw Jamal got engaged. Don't do that. Media. Because we've seen Jamal on TV this season. You don't think Jizel knows that he's getting engaged. You don't think she's fine with it. Their relationship seems okay. They're co-parenting.

They're happy for their kids. This isn't the deflection you think it is. Giselle's fine. For all, we can see, Giselle's flourishing. This is the best we've seen her. It's the most level-headed we've seen her. She's playing the game the right way.

She's not getting too messy too quickly. This is a great Giselle, and we're still getting the good family scene. So this is a well-balanced, well-rounded, Giselle that a lot of people could root for. So this deflection's terrible, especially considering we just saw Jamal. Yeah.

They're fine. Well, the way she's deflecting, too, is dependent on who she's with. Yeah. If she's with somebody who she's cool with, she'll deflect it a way that it's, hey, why don't you talk about yourself so we can stop talking about this.

If it's around Mia, it's let's talk about how bad you are. Yes. But she calls serving back, service, back and forth, whatever. Return service. Returning serves, yeah. No, returning service.

Service. Is it a service or service? I thought she was referencing tennis. Oh. I think she's referenced. That would make more sense. Oh, God, damn it. service.

I was thinking like a Turn down service. That's what I was thinking like a rest. After you get out of a hotel. Not even that. I was thinking like a restaurant. Send it back. That makes sense.

There's compliments to the chef and then they're send it back. Return service. That's what Karen's doing. So yeah, it does depend on who she's talking to. And she's really just actively avoiding any sort of conversation that she can have with certain people that she knows will continue to ask. And for somebody like Stacey, she can throw out whatever she wants and it's going to confuse the hell out.

of Stacey and Stacey's just going to move on. Yep. Too much information. Way too much. And she even tries to play matchmaker with Giselle, which I think is so disrespectful to imply. Like, I just want to see you happy. You just need a man. It's like, Giselle's doing just fine.

She's having fun. She had that fling with what's his nuts for a little while. Oh, yeah. Jason, who was just pining for more TV time. But she had a little fun with a younger dude. That's great. Awesome. She doesn't need a man to be happy.

Correct. And she doesn't need Karen of all people telling her that. And again, it's just a deflection. But we get to Wendy and this family lunch. The kids are graduating. all three graduated something. I think the two boys are going to middle school. The youngest is...

I think the most Wendy thing of all time. Very Wendy thing. They all graduated at the same time. They all got some sort of degree. Yes. At the same time. Yeah, they're all masters. I mean, she did kind of make it about herself.

I got the master's degree. I was probably she didn't say, like, those are also my degrees. Like, I've got seven now. I think, look, Wendy's had a great, even this scene. She definitely has, yeah. She's delightful to watch right now. Oh, yeah. And her mom chiming in, like,

whereas my allowance was really funny. And the confirmation, because I was like, ooh, this would be a fun one between her and her mom because she's throwing a, this is baffling. And I can't imagine that people, like, people do this a lot. Do Wendy's credit, she has always been the biggest birthday celebration person. Okay, fair. But imagine spending 50 or 60K on a party.

Can't. That's wild. And not your wedding, but just a party. And her mom gets $500 of allowance? Is that what it is? Yeah, she put it into her phone. I don't know why they show that. How often do you think that is?

I don't know, every two weeks. $1,000 a month? It's not bad. Eh. She's probably living with her and stuff, too. Okay, that's fair. Groceries. I wonder what our expenses are.

That fish. The fish in the freezer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Witchcraft. Witchcraft items, which are expensive. That shit's expensive. Even up for a cauldron.

It's expensive. But I was impressed at the children's palate. They're a crushing S cargo. Very elevated palette. Love to see that. I thought it was, hysterical that the ultimatum to get their inheritance is a master's degree.

Yeah. That's probably real. Oh, that's a thousand. That's definitely real. Absolutely real. Yeah, that's what I thought, too. But, I mean, all in all, we're just highlighting these scenes because it makes the final scene that much better.

But we move on to another familial scene. We get Ashley and her mom and this health journey that she's on, and it's nice to see Ashley drives us nuts. I think she drives everybody nuts in one way or another. But she has been on a journey over the past four years. I think it's cool to see her come into her own as a single mother, being able to take care of the kids. We saw her last year with Uncle Bump, who we haven't seen yet this year, by the way, and I need to see more Bump. Yeah, I need him.

I definitely need more of him. And I was sad to see that her mom still dating that Bum. Yeah, that loser. That dude sucks. I don't know who he is, but he's a fucking loser. He's a fucking loser, but there is a really, there's a funny Twitter account that every Sunday night tweets out. I can't believe Ashley's still on my screen. that's a good level of hate.

Every, that's all they tweet? Every Sunday. Well, I don't know. I didn't ever click on the profile, but every Sunday I see it pop up. So, yeah, so the account just tweets that out all the time. I just love that level of hating. I would much prefer if it was, they didn't tweet ever. Anything else.

If the whole profile was just dedicated to that, and then they would take a year off in the off season, that would be awesome. They would have a lot of followers. But, again, we love these nice family scenes because it looks like Ashley's just trying to help her mom get to the next stage of her life. Make sure that she's nice and healthy, has a couple of interjections here and there about the guy that she's dating, who's not providing for her. But, you know, you can't tell her what to do. He's a loser.

He's a loser. And she just seems like a good concerned daughter. And she gets, I'm not even going to talk about the update that we got on the, what Ashley's up to. Allegedly a month away. That's all I'm going to say. Sure. That's all I'm saying. This was in the past.

I haven't heard anything since then. Oh, fuck. You're right. Immediately, I'm like, I haven't heard anything since then, so probably not. But, yeah, just another lovely family scene. Just a family moment. Great family moments. It's a family show right now.

It sure is. Because everyone cares about each other, and they wouldn't do anything detrimental. It's a lot of kids. They're taking care of their kids. Oh, yeah. Looking after their well-being and their futures and lack of therapy they're going to need because you have normal parents. I'm here for Bet Rivers Online Casinole and Sportsbook with poker icon Phil Helmuth. Thanks to Bet Rivers, I'm also a slots icon.

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He did play in the Super Bowl. Oh, did he? He did. He even got one tackle. All right. Special teams? I didn't go that deep. I'm assuming, yes.

I'm assuming. The 49th are Super Bowl? No, no, no, no. the one that we shall not speak of, that Super Bowl. No fucking way. Yeah. Oh, well, fuck him. Yeah, no, totally.

Yeah. But I did want to, like, at least say he wasn't just on the field, not dressing out. He did play in the Super Bowl. Okay. And he's got three Super Bowl rigs, not just two. This one should have been for... You know this one that says. How long ago did they film this?

Oh, no. This is last year. Yeah, it's got to be the Niners, yeah. This is the Niners one. I'm saying, but I know. I know, okay. Did he play in the Niners one? I didn't...

That's the picture they keep showing, I think. I would imagine. a picture where he's celebrated in the conference championship. And I'm like, well, that's not the Super Bowl. No, no, when he's kissed the trophy. I'm just hating, which is fine because fuck the Chiefs. Forever and ever. If nothing against him personally, I don't like the Chiefs.

I can't stand that you. I hate them top to bottom. This will be a whole different podcast. We keep going on this road. Josh Allen. Yeah, yeah, yes. We can agree there. And the Lions, America's team.

Anyway, go Burtz. We're at Jazzy's party for Darius, and we get to see DJ Apple Box, which I will refer to him as from here on out because this man is little. It is. Look, Karen's throwing some real zingers out there. That's a good one. That's a really good one.

It's a really good one because he walks in with Mia. And look, I don't have, he's not high standing for me right now, especially watching this last scene. I don't like what he's doing. Didn't care for who got lumped in in the short king status. Neither did I. And I was pissed off. Fucking jazzy.

You leave Greg out of this. You fucking leave Greg alone. He's coming in. He's wearing that nice sweater or whatever the fuck that was. Is that what it was? The Gucci polo. It's a little goofy look. But Greg looks great because it's Greg.

Okay? I don't know. Here's the thing about the dress code for that party. Put my fashion hat on. It was a party in a hotel, it looked like, some sort of ballroom of a hotel. It was a ballroom. Yeah. And it was in D.C.

And it was after the White House, Super Bowl speech, whatever. Great. What do you wear to that? Like, it didn't, I'm sure it didn't say it on the invitation. I think you should. walking around with polos and slacks and whatever. I would imagine it's, I thought that Darius was dressed appropriately.

Whatever that is, it's like suit. It's the same day? Yeah. No. Yeah, his teammate came too. Prince. Yeah, I know him. Yeah.

But, okay, I thought, I didn't know it was the same day. It's back to back. They came from the White House. So they still smell. Jazzie walked over and said, I didn't see you before you left this morning. You looked so good. How was it?

Oh. And then they said, I got to hear by this. So they still smell of the oval. office. Wow, that's cool. That's cool. Giselle asks questions to ink, and this is where I start to take issue, because I don't really know him yet. We haven't seen much of him yet. I understand that Mia's getting divorced, and a new man will enter the picture eventually. I don't have a problem with that. This I had a problem with, and it carries over into the final scene, but he gets on this soapbox

or Applebox and says, it's all about the kids. As long as the kids are happy, and as long as it's all love, like that's the most important thing, implying that Gordon is not putting the kids first. However, that's completely disregarding the fact that you committed adultery with the mother of the children. And now you're inserting yourself into their lives while they're trying to figure this whole thing out. If you truly cared about the kids,

you would take a step back until this whole thing was sorted out. If you truly cared about the kids, you wouldn't be getting involved with altercations with their father on TV with the kids in the other room. So for him to sit there and say and pretty much villainize Gordon, and again, I don't love Gordon, but to villainize Gordon

that he's not prioritizing the children because he's not on board for this weird transition of power that's currently going on amidst the family, and he still takes issue with the fact that his wife cheated on him. That's pretty fucking normal to me. And for him to use this as,

well, it's all love for me and Mia, but we got this third party being an asshole. It's like, well, yeah, dude, you cheated on him. Sorry. Well, yeah, dude. Mia cheated on him with you. So for you to not even acknowledge that part is disrespectful to the entire situation

and shows me your lack of actual empathy. You just want to paint Gordon as the villain. You're the savior coming in to save the family and your potential kid. But that's not what the situation is. So I immediately, I'm like, ooh, I don't like ink right now. Like I didn't have, I had no opinion about him up until this point. Now immediately, I'm like, I don't like you. That's slimy.

Yeah. And I do think that, because Mia keeps. harping on and on and on about co-parenting and how important the co-parenting is. The problem there is, and I know that her and ink have a long history, and then you throw in the adultery, not great. I think that they're lumping ink in with the co-parenting, which is not how that works. No. It is eventually, if you guys go on to get married and you keep doing things.

Or if Jeremiah is your kid. Or if Jeremiah is your kid. Well, then it's no co-parenting anymore. Well, there's another one. There's juju. Yeah. Look, here's the thing. He is not part of it right now.

He shouldn't be part of it. He shouldn't be in that conversation later. That should be a conversation between me and Gordon. It could go the exact same way. Maybe Ink wouldn't be there, so maybe it wouldn't have gotten as aggressive. But still, Ink is not part of the co-parenting situation here. And he's taking it on as if he's 50-50 with Mia and then Gordon's a different 50. You know what I mean?

You're not a whole part of this. No. Just butt out. Let Mia and Gordon figure it out. And then you kind of just go along with whatever your role is. Yes. He thinks that his role is cheramized. dad and that's the problem but that's why we need this test we need to get this test quickly and

we all we need mori we've been we've been clamoring for him ever since we found out that he came back from the dead that's just pretty cool so yeah let's get mori on here real quick this is where jazzy you are not dead yeah mori you are not deceased yay but this is when jazzy shits on gregg and i just wrote it down and i just wrote hell no nope absolutely yeah not cool but Kearna and Mia squash it, the drug dealer comment. And again, Giselle, she's like, do you understand how this detrimental to that man over there because you didn't clarify what boyfriend you were talking about? Mia apologizes.

Kearna accepts it. I think it's a loose apology and a loose acceptance. It was. Let's squash this for now and something else will probably pop up. Mia is still insinuating that her ex-boyfriend was a drug dealer. But you know what? Kiarna's not taking any of that right now. Just leave Greg out of it.

Yeah, just leave Greg. Leave Greg alone. Let's not do that. Yeah, there's no need for Greg to be able. Also, I didn't care for the shade of, oh, I know he, I can tell he's a social worker. Yeah. I didn't like that either. I didn't like that either, especially because, you know what?

Also, Greg runs a social work company. Yep. Okay, that's different. All right. He's a CEO. I'm like you. What's some fucking respect on Greg's name. All right?

That's our platform now. I also, because I just read it, okay, I thought ink at the very least was like incorporated. Right. Yeah, that would make sense to me. You know what really fucking dumb? if it stood for incognito. And his thing was to wear shades. Yeah.

That's stupid. Dumb. It's really dumb. And wearing shades, you're a radio personality. They don't see you. That makes no sense. You're incognito because you're on the radio. They can't see you.

So what's the need for the shades? Well, now most radio stations have, like, cameras. Shut up. Shut up. Don't do that. Don't you fucking do that. I'm just saying, it's dumb. He's dumb.

I don't like him. But anyway, TJ arrives. and he's exactly what everyone thought. No surprise to anybody. Wendy's comment was my favorite. She's like, that is a man that is not sexually active. That's probably what everybody could say about it.

And you could argue that his energy comes from potentially being so pent up. He looks like a big brother in Christ guy. Yeah. My brother in Christ. Yeah, he's that dude. You don't know what I'm up to. Yeah. Oh.

Not me personally. I'm just saying, you know. Yeah, he's definitely that guy. but they're even I mean Eddie's trying happy Eddie's trying he's like yeah you know a lot of great relationships start with good friendships and this line I was floored that was blown away and if I'm Stacy I would feel so dumb he's like he goes yeah I mean that's what it's all about because like once you get physical it's just boring I'm like oh my god yeah oh my god yeah that was when I made my decision she's got to go he's got to go and she's got a run what do you mean you use that

bachelor's app pad and you use it well use it for a from TJ yeah Make, turn it into what it's supposed to be. Yep. Okay, not a tree house. Mm-hmm. Okay. Do fun things. You deserve it.

You're just getting out of a marriage. Like, you're going through it. This is not the rebound. No. This is not a fun rebound. Put T.J. on the back burner. Come back.

But do some fun shit. You deserve it. Stacey's the best. Go have some fun. Go live your life. Don't wait for goddamn T.J. Because God damn T.J. Might not even be ready once you're married.

This dude is a dud. He just said that getting physical with you, Stacey, getting physical with you and she's objectively gorgeous. She is a awesome person and he literally just told the whole room that the idea of getting physical with you is boring.

You know what really gets my blood pumping. Going to the zoo. He said the zoo. I know. He fucking said the zoo. What were you guys up to that if you were there? I'll tell you what we did. We went to the zoo.

Boo! Boo! It's a bit. It's got to be a bit. It's got to be a bit. I hope maybe they are. Maybe they're banging all the time, and this is just the facade they're putting on, and they just call it going to the zoo. Euphemism is the zoo.

Yeah, and that's the euphemism for sex, because he's lit, and he's so proud when he says it. We went to the zoo, because that's fun. You know, it's not fun, sex. Ew. It's just crazy. Stacey, you deserve better. But you get to meet Darius and Prince. They're both members of the Kansas State Chiefs.

And it is funny to me that a lot of the women who gave jazzy shit before. both C and feel Darius's arm. Yep. And like, we get it. We get it. Yeah, you know, we understand now. The whole thing with the baby and the timelines, don't remember. It doesn't matter anymore because, God damn, that man's bicep.

Yeah, that's fine. We're all on the same page here, but me and Karen sit down together. And Giselle told, and I love this too, because Giselle can still get messy. Mediator. Yep, but she also incites the violence. She starts it, and then she mediates. That's a great role for her. And this is the thing.

What Karen said was a not. on its own that you didn't need to embellish. You didn't need to put any stank on it. You just sit down and say exactly what it is. You guys are going to talk tomorrow and I'll be there. Yes, but for somebody with two DUIs under their belt to speak on rehab like this was upsetting to me because she's like, well, I heard about the opioids thing. And, you know, Mia's honest enough to share that it wasn't rehab.

I actually OD'd and then she found therapy via chiropracting fine. Sure. Different strokes or different folks. if that works for you, great. But she's like, well, you know, you could imagine it's not a far leap. It's like, that's so disrespectful to assume that you know what's going on. And again, it paints this picture of I'm better than because you OD, because you went to rehab potentially. Karen, you got two DUIs, dude.

You got two DUIs and apparently you're still drinking in the morning and making phone calls, according to Jacqueline. And you're completely denying everything and not taking any responsibility for it. Yeah. So Mia, who I hate, I'm on her team. because this is fucking stupid. And I didn't care for it at all, but... I did think that the end of it was kind of funny.

This is the problem. The back and forth. But this is the thing is, I know that Mia is not affected by any of that. As long as you don't really bring the kids into it, which you probably will turn the end of the season. That'll get there. As long as you don't do that,

Mia can handle anything. She is going to laugh off anything that gets thrown her way. Public barrels. Karen's getting a little worked up over there, a little worked up, and Mia knows that she is. So I liked that little back and forth

because Mia was enjoying it and Karen was not. No, it was a good back and forth. I thought it was interesting, though, that you get, like, Karen's crew rallying, like slowly migrating behind her as this is going down. But, no, Mia held her own even during the, yeah, you've danced on a lot of balls, a lot of public balls. That was your profession.

And Mia just brushes it off. And I think what that tells me is Mia's got more in the bag. She's got something that she knows or something she's saving for later where she's like, ah, not right now. She knows that, look, Mia is, she's pretty, quick with it. She has good intelligence when it comes to, let's call it battle strategy.

She can handle that. And I think that she knows what's on the horizon for her with the ink and cordon situation and she knows that Karen and a couple of the other women are probably going to have their two cents and when she needs to, she'll pull that ammunition out. There doesn't need to do it right now. Yeah, yeah. It would be. Especially in a party

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But this is the scene I was referring to. This scene pissed me off to no end. We get Karen with her cousin David, and Karen's talking about what she's been going through. And I was really hoping what I was going to see from this is a scene in which she takes some accountability for what happened. We even find out that she was on the phone with David while this happened. So David probably knows way more than anybody.

does but he's also being a supportive family member hearing her out and she literally just takes that time to try to spin this web of why she got in an accident without any outside influence she's like well you know the taxes thing with ray got to me and then i had to sell the house and then my parents were passing and it was all it was 2018 2020 and 22 yeah four years 24 right so this is a six year thing we're not going to deny that things do get bottled up and then come out in different ways, for sure, but you still are not taking responsibility for what happened. You're not going into it.

You're talking to the person that was on the phone with you when it happens, and you're still not saying on camera, I shouldn't have gotten behind the wheel. No. You're still not saying on camera, I drank and I, or I did whatever, and I should have not gotten behind the wheel. I should have been smarter. I made a huge mistake. I made a huge mistake.

Nothing. There's just no culpability. No, all she does is just try to sidestep, deflect, and not. address what actually happened. And then she has the balls to say, you know, I'm focused on my court appearance and things happen for a reason. Maybe this happened so you would wake the fuck up. Maybe this happened so you would stop getting DUIs.

Maybe this happened so you would address your relationship with alcohol or your relationship with substances. Maybe that's why this happened. But instead, you're acting like you're on this quest given to you by God to get vindicated for something that you did wrong that could have resulted in your death. It could have resulted in the death of another family. And that's where it really bugs me, especially somebody in the recovery community where this stuff is so fucking serious. And it's getting treated like a joke now and has been for the entirety of the season.

And it's starting to piss me off because no one's pressing her about it. I don't expect David to press her about it. He's the cousin. But no one else on this show is really going after about it. I need me to step up. I need somebody to step up. Giselle, question her more. And she's going to push back.

But who gives a shit? This should not be allowed to continue where she gets to sit there and act like she's victim when she is the problem. And it's disrespectful to those that have had to deal with DUIs or the ramifications of a DUI or being on the other side of it if something goes horribly wrong. And she's acting like it's not a problem. And she's acting like because it's a court date and a trial date that she can't discuss it. You made a mistake. You made the biggest mistake of your life for the second time, which tells me you don't learn either. I would have much more grace if it's a situation like Shannon where it's like it's your first DUI and then we

watched you take accountability for a season. This is your second DUI, and you're acting like it wasn't your fault because of what you were going through. There's never an excuse to get behind the wheel of a car drunk. What you can do is take accountability and try to rebuild trust with people around you by being honest, vulnerable, and open. Instead of pointing fingers at trees and deer and saying, God has a plan for me, I'm just going to believe in God and follow through, and everything will work out.

Take some goddamn accountability and stop this nonsense because it's so disrespectful. it's just stupid. It's just simply dumb. No, it really is. And I think that the biggest telltale sign at the end of this is David starts crying. Because he was on the phone. Yeah. And she wasn't. She came over and gave him a hug. She was comforting him

going through all of this. Which is insane to me. And it tells me that either one, which would be very unhealthy for her, she's just bottling it back up again and not addressing it, which means it could come back up. If we're to believe that all of these things came back up and resulted in that, then this is

just going to happen again in a different way. Maybe not a DUI, maybe whatever. It'll rear its head somehow. If you keep doing that. So that's one, not healthy, not good for you. Or two, you will have convinced yourself that you are fine and clean and everything and nobody should be judging you. So you're not going to allow yourself to get emotional about it. You're not going to allow yourself to do the responsible thing and just say, hey, I made a fucking mistake.

So, yeah. Yeah, it's upsetting. It's stupid. And it's fully pushed me off the Karen train. I'm not a fan of hers anymore. I think this is great. gross. I think it's, again, like I said, it's just flat out disrespectful to people that have had to deal with the fallout of being the victim of somebody that was driving a car drunk because you can't just acknowledge the fact that you fucked up at the very least. I have a court date coming up, but I made a huge mistake and I'm going to go get it figured out. That's all

you have to say. That's not talking about your trial. That's admitting, oops, DUI number two, like Jesus Christ, but back to the family show. This is a family show. Family show. Okay, and nothing says family, like, ink with the kids in the apartment. And he's loading them up with sugar, and Gordon arrives. And I think it's very funny that Mia's like, you know, it's just tough because there's no boundaries. You live in the same building as the husband, or sorry, the father of your children. So no, you made it clear that boundaries are loose.

Literally, the boundaries are not. Yep. You're in the same place. So this immediately... I got a bad feeling. I'm like, I don't like this at all. And, you know, they're like, go watch TV in the other room. It's an apartment.

We're in an apartment. All right? Even if you're in the room, like, you're going to hear what's going on. And they start to get into it. It's tense as hell the minute that Gordon walks in. And here's the thing. And we'll separate the, like, our feelings about Gordon overall and just be objective about this. For Gordon to say, I'm not going to film with you.

Make sense to me. He's reasonable to me. Yep. You and my wife. cheated on me i'm not going to film with you unless we're with the kids because i'll always keep it cordial at the very least at least he's able to say that and maintain that but i don't think it's an unreasonable request for him to say i don't want to film with you adulterer great that's fine makes sense to me but they keep getting deeper and deeper into it and this is when

mea thinks that she i don't know what she thinks we're watching because she seems to think She has the audience's support here. She's like, look, we're trying our best here. And, you know, Gordon's not okay with the relationship. And I'm just trying to co-parent. And it's like now you're doing what Ink did earlier. You're trying to use the kids to garner sympathy and support and say, look, Ink and I are trying. Gordon won't get on board.

Yeah. Because you haven't addressed the elephant in the room that you guys fucked while you were married to Gordon. No, and then there's a thing coming around right now or, like, circulating that there was a hall pass involved with Ink at one point in time. But Gordon even says, It was multiple times, and he's disputing the parentage, and he's doing a lot of other things, and he's just acting like essentially they're his kids. He's hanging out with them.

They're going on Airbnb trips so they can all hang out together as a family, and Gordon is left at the apartment. So, yeah, he doesn't want to do this. He is, I'm sure he's obligated to go in there and have this conversation at least once. I don't know if we're going to see it again. But Inc. getting involved at all is dumb. You have to sit there and be quiet.

Absolutely. This was a normal circumstance, This was just me as new boyfriend. They didn't know each other. And there was like a little bit of overlap. Maybe we're not really sure. Then, yeah, if Gordon kind of exploded like this, it'd be like, all right, you know,

the kids are in the other room. Let's not do this. But I understand where Gordon comes from. There's a whole history here. Inc. is talking over you. No, no, he's talking up to him. He's talking up to him, yeah. Acting like he has the kids' best interest in mind.

And Gordon doesn't because Gordon is cursing in the kitchen while the kids are around the corner. Inc was gaslighting him the entire time. Why are you there? This should just be a conversation between me and Gordon about what to do with the kids around Ink. And Gordon would probably still not be supportive of it. But he even says and breaks the fourth wall multiple times

by looking at the camera. I'm not doing this on camera. You guys are doing all of these things. I'm not promoting your relationship. This is insane to me. I'm here for the kids. Yeah. That makes sense to me, Gordon.

Ink, shut up. Mia, stop trying to make him feel bad. Stop trying to make ink look like a good guy. You want them to get along after you cheated on your husband for years for this guy? Yeah, and look, like, we understand that there was underlying issues amidst the relationship with Gordon. Okay? And yeah, there's a certain level of you feel like you had to do what you had to do, whatever. I don't want to.

I had to leave the, I wanted to leave the relationship because of what you were putting me through. But then, you know, you went through all of your stuff and I had to stay. It's like, that doesn't sound true. No. And like, look, I will never be okay with infidelity. I'll never, like, none of us are going to watch this and go, yeah, you should have cheated on them. It's like, no. And again, I'm not trying to take away from your experience. It could have been very traumatic for you and you wanted to get out of there. Fine. I can believe that. But the way that they're going about this is baffling to me because you guys are trying to claim that the kid's best interest are at heart. You're having this conversation with them in the other room. Have somebody come pick the kids up and do this. If you want this on camera, which you so clearly do, then at least have a, a prepared situation where there's not children in the house. And then Gordon gets upset, understandably so, leaves. And now, Inc. gets to go, then he's cussing around the kids. Like, we can't have that.

That's not good for them. It's like, then get the fuck out, Inc. You're the problem here. And if you turn out to be Jeremiah's dad, it's a different conversation entirely that still should just be amongst adults. There needs to be a conversation at some point. Inc, you're the outside factor here. If you had any respect for the family as a whole, because Gordon's going to be around, whether

you like it or not. If this was a real situation, you would call Gordon off camera and go, look, dude, I'm Jeremiah's father, if that's proven to be true. We need to sit down and figure out how we can make this work, how we can be cordial, we don't have to like each other, I'll respect your boundaries, you respect mine. That's how this should be handled. It does not need to be handled in an apartment with cameras where you bring Gordon in, Inc gets to act like he's a good guy.

Mia gets to act like she has the kid's best interest at heart, although she's putting this shit on camera. And now Gordon's left out to dry. And again, not a Gordon fan. But if I'm looking at this objectively, who's in the wrong, Mia and Inc., shut the fuck up. What did you expect to happen here?

And then you're going to act like Gordon's the bad guys he's walking out because he's upset that he just had to stand in the kitchen and defend himself to the guy that his wife cheated on him with. Yeah. Who potentially fathered one of his children. What am I saying right now? Like, what are we talking about?

It is insanity. And again, this was something that we never should have seen. Gordon should not have been in that conversation with the two of them there. Maybe it's a conversation that just me and Gordon have, and we get to see that. Sure, all for that. Mia says my mind is blown. Yeah. Throwing ink in that, it's just the whole thing was a mess, but I couldn't look away.

No, I could need to see it. It was yucky, but I could not stop watching. I had to see it. But, yeah, let's get to some family-oriented questions. What do you say? Oh, yeah. from Simplione I personally feel like

T.J. won't be intimate with Stacey because she's still legally married. Nope. I don't think so. Nope. That's not true. Yeah, there's another one in here. Do you feel like T.J. is waiting for Sacey to be legally divorced before intimate? No.

No. Jasanae asked, who was the most dressed down at this function? I think it was T.J. and his sneakers? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're going to go with that. Any T.J. Shade, I'm for it. I don't like, I don't like. like them uh from christie jedlicky does it feel like mea's storyline is its own show separate from

the rest of the yes sometimes yes with that that last scene specifically yes yeah it really does and we're here for it oh yeah unfortunately i feel dirty i feel dirty but i can't still watching and uh last one here from mary had a little this isn't a question this is just a shot of karen karen is overrated and thinks she is so much hotter and badder than she is take that karen That, Karen. Yeah. Let her know. From our audience to you.

How's that feel? Not very good, I expect. But yeah, what a family episode. Just a great time. Just a great time. Good time. Good season. Good app.

And yeah, no notes. No notes. It just, I mean, notes for Mia on how she's handling the whole thing. But, God damn it, I can't stop watching it. I'll tell you that much. But we got a packed week, pack sketch. So we are wrapping this up right now because we've got to start doing a little Beverly Hills action. Sure do.

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