Bros & Shows - Mia Drops a Bomb and TJ Can Go Away (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

What's up Bros? Its Potomac time and we are thoroughly enjoying this season. It feels like we can comfortably say that Potomac is back. In this episode, Mia gets ready for her 40th birthday party. Ashley talks with Uncle Lump about her divorce and her journey over the past few years. Gizelle and Ashley host a GnA event as they continue their rebrand into... we're not entirely sure what the rebrand is yet but we will keep you updated. Mia brings up Gordon and Inc. and lets the ladies know some very personal info regarding the love triangle. The group is taken aback but overly supportive to Mia. That is until they get to the party later and bring up the family photoshoot at the pool not 24 hours after the fact, in which Gordon and Inc can be seen having a drink together for some family time. The whole situation is messy to say the least but it is impossible to look away from. Karen has her court date but it gets postponed until September. While she says in a confessional she just wishes it was over... in real time her attorney says that the postponement was their goal. So conflicting information there... At Wendy's party (and Ashley's actual birthday) we get to see a whole different side to TJ and it is a horrible look. The way he talks to Stacey is all of the red flags on the planet. Wendy and Eddie are making up with Eddie's siblings which is nice to see. But the party takes a left turn when the group addresses Mia and the photoshoot after Mia lets slip (intentionally) that she needs the FATHERS of her children to get along... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody.

Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host. Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Jutes, magoots. What's up, dude? Holiday weeks don't count. So we're just here to goof around.

We're going to have fun, silly fun time. A little silly funny, silly fun, goose time. What's up, goose? Goose time. Yeah, see, that's what's happening. I would like to just say happy Sequan Day, everybody, to all those who celebrate. If you didn't watch or if you live under a rock, sayquan barkley just shoved it up the ram's ass last night birds victory monday as well phenomenal

game to watch except bg's out for the season but we don't have to talk about that because we have the best running back in the history of football and uh yeah thank you thank you to all of our all of our listeners who are giants fans for treating saquan so poorly for so long that you just gave him to us for nothing it's so nice of you and now we're just we're reaping the benefits and you're all crying, and it's just music to my ears. It feeds my soul. I just want to get up out of the way. We're just having a good time over here.

That's what life's all about, you know? No stress, just enjoying our time. I think that's just because the Eagles are good, because this could be a totally different podcast right now. But anyway. But yeah, I mean, it's Thanksgiving week. There's only like a couple of days here. Nobody actually works during this week anyway, so who cares?

I always wonder if your bosses listen because you disparage your workplace frequently. They do not. And if they did, who cares? Case in point, right there. But we're here to talk about Potomac on this holiday week before we all celebrate with turkey and stuffing and gravy. We celebrate the murder of my ancestors. It's always a good time.

So why don't we, what did I make the vibe down? Why are you face? Silly fun time. It's supposed to be silly fun time. That was a silly fun joke. you're not that that was funny sorry i'd be historically accurate but let's talk about some potomac that's what we're here to discuss and uh look it continues to be a solid season it's fairly light even though the the drama itself is serious but the way that it's being presented to us makes

it all seem comical can you agree with that yeah i mean the ink has yet to dry if you know what i mean but yeah that's a good way to put it but it's uh yeah it's something about it it's either the way that the cast is handling certain things or in mea's regard it's how she's handling it and how she really handles like everything that comes her way it always seems like it's either a lie or a joke or it's downplayed with some sort of humor so we're not going to take it seriously if she's not going to take it seriously and it makes for a good fun time yeah between that and the way that Karen's handling her, uh, DUI. Again, like I said, we're talking like paternity tests, alleged, uh, how?

Like, how is it alleged? Just because she's claiming innocence. Again, we found out, because her court date got moved to September. So we found out when we started watching Potomac because that was what, seven weeks ago now, eight weeks ago? Yeah, it was two months ago was the start. So when we started recording, are there a first or second episode, you found out that her motion to drop the case was denied.

So clearly there's wrongdoing there because they didn't just drop everything or take the criminal charges out of it. There was something along those lines. We don't need to get into it right now. I think she was hoping that the deer wasn't going to show up as a witness and then like a dramatic entrance towards the end of her trial. The deer came in with like a little like neck roll and some neck brace.

Some crutches and just walked in like, big black eye i've had a really rough couple of weeks because of her oh dear silly goose fun time it was a real deer in the headlights kind of thing you know what i mean yeah really uh really caught her off guard i got nothing else i was going to try to think something with antlers but i'm out but let's jump into this week's potomac episode and uh we'll break it down a little bit further and we start out with the gna event and i'm glad that cast members share the confusion that i have for what this is. So it started out as an a athleisure brand, correct?

Correct. They're now branching out into health and wellness. So I guess my confusion is that's similar. No, like if you're in that leisure wear, aren't you in health and wellness to begin with? So is this really a rebrand or are they now just like it's

tangible in the fact that you can go to events and stuff like that? I think what they're doing is using their platform and their recognizable names. to do things like, because of what was it, it was the American Cancer Society, or it was the National Tumor Society or whatever. Yeah, they're raising, doing a fundraiser.

Yeah, so, I mean, that's, look, I don't care what they do, but if they're going to do that, that's good. I think that's great. Go ahead. But, you know, explain it to the ladies what the hell's going on here, because nobody seems to know what's going on. You can just have fundraising events and raise money for good causes, and that's great.

Go ahead and do that. Don't try to mask it as an athleisure brand, as scented candles or whatever the hell. else is going on over there well that's my point like what's the goal what are we what are we going towards we like trying to build a gna facility i think it's a non-profit okay still like what are selling we're selling at leisure wear and what else like what i don't know i think i'm thinking too deep into vibes okay cool that's enough for me i'll take that but tj and stacey arrive and uh i am not going to pull any punches anymore when it comes to tj i'm going full throttle on this moron and

shows up wearing fucking yoga pants this dude's wearing yoga pants you can try to tell them if they're tight joggers but they're not that's yoga pants and he comes he's got that bubbly stupid ass attitude it's not endearing anymore because like he lives a different lifestyle i'm no longer buying into this stick he's just an asshole and he masks it behind christianity and being like i'm a good guy and that came out much later but it bothered the shit out of me but i will say it's a solid turnout for these ladies so for whatever they're doing it seems to be working and it could just be their names it could be the allure of ashley's dropping a new single at the party yeah maybe it is yeah you still gonna stick by that and say that she's a good singer or what

no yeah i am very tired of doing this with you i've been doing it for years i've been telling you she is not a good she can't hate a goddamn note no dude she's good everybody uses auto tune it's okay you heard her raw and she sucks is this why you're grumpy today she should not subject people to that. Like, you're going to lose money in the fundraiser. People are going to start pulling their funds. Like, I didn't sign up for this. You get one of those, like, big boards up there that shows you, like, it's a tracker

of how much money's going in. And it just starts dropping drastically as she's singing. Like this, like up, up. She starts singing a plateau. She hits the chorus, and it just goes, pew. Yeah, no. And the funny part is, as I'm watching this and taking notes, and she starts singing, I'm like, oh, man, he's going to have a field

day with this, because she's not good. She is not good. But here's my thing. No, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I do want to say one thing before you go into your spiel about Ashley's singing, TJ, we talked about Jared Osmond yesterday using religion to get ass. Yeah. TJ is using religion to not get ass. So I don't know what I'd like to go away from ass. What's the plan? I have no idea. Is there a plan? I'm so confused. No, I don't know. I have no idea what his end game is. He's very strange. He's a strange person. But back to Ashley. Here's my thing. Okay. And no, I'm not.

going to defend her singing acumen if you will what i will say is this i don't like to make fun of people for doing things they're passionate about and that's the softy in me i just can't bring myself to do it i will give you just this no she's not good the song itself is not good the performance seemed like she hadn't practiced at all which seems like a misstep if you're going to unveil your song on tv maybe put in a little more effort the music wasn't loud enough so your voice stood out way too much at least drown it out with the music uh yeah so it was not i mean it's like a two out of 10 if we're being real but again i don't like to criticize people for pursuing their passions because you should be allowed to do what you want realistically it's a

zero out of 10 i don't know where you're getting the two points from because look if it was one of those things i was just hoping while she was going through it that the lyrics weren't even good and they weren't they were very clunky it was like full-ass sentences that didn't really make any sense. She strung them together. Then she's singing on top of it horribly. There was just nothing good about that performance. Where the hell did you get two points?

Because she's doing something she loves. Grow up. I can't help. Count Chocula, Peter Pan. Anyway, I can talk about this all day. But Mia pulls the ladies aside and has like a heart to heart with them. And anytime she does this, I'm always skeptical to begin with because of the history of and the history of everything.

Every time she talks? Yeah, honestly. I can never, we talked about it last week. Every time she opens her mouth, I'm skeptical. Yeah, but we literally discussed this last week where it's like, I never know what's true. I never know what to believe. I feel like we get half-truths, full lies.

It makes it all very convoluted and hard to follow. But she pulls them to the side to have this discussion about Gordon and says that Gordon's in a mania right now. And that's what makes this so delicate is we've confirmed, because I saw the clip, because I didn't watch last season, as you know, we bowed out, but the clip of Gordon confirming his bipolar one diagnosis. So it's a real thing. And that's where it gets tough because I do believe he experiences these episodes,

but I also could see Mia using that to her advantage when he's not, like, vibing with her to be like, he's going through an episode right now. And it's hard to trust her at that. And then when she brings up what's going on, she's like, you know, him and ink guy. into it the other day and then he has the nerve to say that you know he had an abortion by you he called him an adulterer like this this and that then i don't feel comfortable with him speaking on my body like that okay fine like i understand that little part of it i guess but at the same time by committing adultery and cheating on him that's fair game he's allowed to say those things and granted we don't know

the whole situation when you guys were together we don't know how bad it was i'm not going to speak on that. But for you to get mad at him for throwing this back at you, like, it seems counterintuitive. You don't think that he felt some type of way when he found out that he got cheated on and that you got pregnant by another man whilst married to him? So why would you, what the fuck? I don't. That is honestly, that is the overlying question. What the fuck? What are we doing here? I don't know. You can't just claim that he's manic whenever you disagree with him, whenever he challenges you for whatever the fuck's going on.

I think he was loud and clear last week saying, I'm not going to be on camera with the two of you acting like everything's good and promoting your relationship. You cheated on me with this guy right here who's trying to talk to me and act like he's a good guy and he's helping raise the kids and it's a co-parenting situation. I'm not doing any of that because it makes me look weak. It makes me look like I'm not standing up for my family. I'm allowing this adulterer to come into our family and raise the kids with us.

Like, it's insane that I would even want to do that, let alone put it on camera. So I excuse the behavior afterwards because everything that he said was, yes, I am going to be copesthetic. Yes, in front of the children, I'm going to be cool and act like everything's okay. But this is not one of those situations. It's just the three of us sitting here as adults. You're forcing me to be on camera. I told you before I don't want to film these scenes. So yes, I'm going to lash out at you.

That wasn't manic to me. That was Gordon putting his fucking foot down and saying this is weird. This is bizarre. everybody watching at home is uncomfortable watching it, but we need to continue to watch it because it's like a train wreck, and we have to continue to watch it because we need to know what happens. We have to see how everybody feels about it. And Mia playing it off like using his mental illness or disorder against him

and saying that this is what he's doing is Zick, to begin with. Don't do that. And also, you fucking cheated on him. So stop acting like you're this good person that's taking care of Gordon and making sure that he's okay and you stood by him for so long. he could have been a terror to live with and gone through these episodes and it might have been really difficult but you cheated on him dumbass so don't do that no and it's even i feel vindicated because as she's dropping this knowledge on the group everyone there's having the same reaction as

we are i'm like i'm watching jazelle just be like whoa we don't and it's what we've been saying for weeks like we should not be privy to this information people on the cast are saying that that's when you know this is fucked up when joselle is getting some like pretty pretty deep info and she's like i don't want this info that's when you know you've gone too far when josell and ashley are questioning your motives that's a big problem because they'll get in the dirt with anybody so it gets confusing every time and it bugs the shit out of me when she frames it like this where she's like you know ink has agreed to take a step back for the sake of gordon because he might be a trigger for Gordon. It's like, yeah, no shit, he's a trigger. And also, he's not some righteous fella

because he's stepping back from this fucked up situation. You're dragging your kids on screen to film with their dad and potential other father that they don't know about that Jeremiah thinks is your friend. And you're letting us watch this whole thing transpire. And you're going to say that ink is being a good dude by stepping away. If ink gave a shit, he wouldn't have agreed to do any of these scenes but he wants the limelight too clearly and so the only one that i can see in this scenario that does have some kind of reasoning that i can agree with is gordon because he got cheated on again he might have been a fucking monster i'm not taking that away but when facts are laid out and we're supposed to trust mea on her word the only facts i know for sure you cheated on him

with this guy who is potentially Jeremiah's dad and now you're bringing him around to co-parent or quote unquote blended family this whole thing and that seems problematic to me especially if you're going to parade it around on television correct that is the correct response that's what I felt I felt good saying that but whatever she even says we're taking a pause from being a blended family

it's like that's probably for the best to you know who the fucking father of your child is but whatever who the fuck am I But we get an update on Karen, and Tuesday is her court case, and it goes right into Karen's scene. They show the fucking deer. They're taking this so unsuriously. From the reenactment in the beginning of the season to this edit, it's so unsurious for a very serious thing. And that's why this season's like serious stuff, but silly. It's hard to track.

I don't know why. I don't know how they're doing it, but I audibly laughed when I saw the deer. Me too. I did too. It's like, we're going to keep doing this. This is great. Just lean into it at this point. Just keep going.

At this point, you kind of have to, but she's the way she describes the whole thing. I'm fearful of the accusations leveled against me. You mean you crashing your car into a tree because you're under the influence? Who's accusing her, by the way? That's what I need to. The state of Maryland? The state versus Hugar? Is that what?

Based on a car wreck, based on your blood alcohol levels? Like, there's a lot of accusations being thrown around. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on either, but Ray would rather be on the golf course. Love that. Me too. Me too, Ray.

I love how he tries the back pedal. Well, you'd like to be on the golf course too right now. She's like, no, I'd actually like to get this whole thing done. But I like the edit. Potomac does a good job with editing where,

like she's pulling up to the courthouse, and it looks like the middle of like a law and order episode. Dick Wolf shout out. Keep getting him in week every week. Got to get him going. Both references. But I do like that edit. You can get protein at home or a protein latte at Tim's.

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Oh, we should FaceTime, Karen. She's not answering. She just went to court. She's probably fucking tired. Like, it's been a long day. She said she hasn't been sleeping. We're going to all get together. We're going to think about Karen while we have a couple of drinks and talk about me as

weird blended family. That's what we're going to do, guys. It's a thoughts and prayers party is what this is, which means absolutely nothing. Like, you can tell Karen, like, hey, we all got together in support of you. It's like, sick. Thanks. This is a filming day because Karen's court cases today, so we have to go together and we have to go all sit together and talk about it. That's what we have to do.

But lots and prayers. Yeah, T's and P's to KH, but we find out. And this is where Karen continues to lose credibility with me. And it happens week after week. She says something like, hmm, that doesn't track. She gets back from her court date and Kiarna has the news, but she's waiting for the whole group to get together. And we find out that the court date was postponed to September. Now, in a confessional, Karen says, I wish this was wrapped up today.

From her attorney, Troy, this was the outcome that we wanted. This is what we were pushing for, successful day. So you wanted to postpone this because you don't have a defense ready. And yet you're framing it like, I wish we'd wrap this up today. That tells me that there's a lot more to this story and you're leaning on this, quote, unquote, innocence thing and it's so strange and you're she's lost all credibility with me i'm just assuming the worst happened with this whole thing and that's what we talk about with multiple shows right when you leave the door open to speculation when you refuse to talk about things especially lawsuits

because we get this answer all the time can't talk about it's an ongoing lawsuit when you do that if you don't give us anything we will speculate and we will nitpick how you're talking such as I wish it was done today. Successful day. It got postponed. High five, everybody. That's two very different things. I don't really understand that at all.

The way that Karen was going into it, she couldn't sleep, she couldn't get through anything, she couldn't talk about it. Did you plan on just doing this forever? Like, is her plan, I'm going to do this the entire season and just not talk about it so I can get out of it and say that it's an ongoing thing? Maybe it is because of filming because she doesn't want to divulge any actual information, even though we all know what happened. Like I just don't understand that part of it From a legal standpoint, we're not lawyers So I don't understand why you would want to run it another couple of months Again, yeah, makes sense if you don't have a defense

But if you don't have a defense now for that Are you going to have one in two months? They're still trying to find the deer Maybe they're tracking that down Maybe they're doing like forensic analysis on the asphalt nearby the tree Just to see you know what They're waiting for hunting season Someone kills that deer that deer can't get on the stand

That's what's going on. That's a good point. When is deer hunting season? In September, September, October, November, and then it takes a break. Maryland's a little different. But yeah, there you go. Look, this is what we have to do at this point because we're getting no information in Karen we'll talk about it.

So Steele and I have to speculate on deer hunting season to take out that deer. They're going to goodfellism. Somebody get the piano wire ready and we're ready to roll. They're going to goodfellism and then a godfather. They're going to cut the deer's head off and put it in Karen's bed. Wow. Two mob movies. Yep.

That's what we do here. We go deep, deep cuts with the bros. But what I do get from this whole thing, other than, and this is what's going to happen with Karen as well, because now Wendy's talking and saying, you know, the guilty, if she is guilty, that changes our dynamic of the friendship, which in my eyes, I'm like, all right, well, she's taking full accountability and turns out to be guilty. That's one thing. You can move forward that friendship.

Look at Shannon Bedour. Okay. If she is clinging on to this and turns out to be found guilty, you are going to lose friends i.e. Wendy and probably multiple women in the group are going to be like this was shady as shit you didn't talk about it and now you are guilty so now we're not going to be friends dude I don't think Karen realizes the ramifications nor does she care about them she just wants her image to be upheld that she's not a two-time DUI get her yeah but we're not going to keep speculating on it we'll wait and see what comes out all we can do so yeah so the one thing

I'd really like from this scene is Stacy's starting to get into it a little bit and we see more it later with confessional stuff like that we saw it earlier with ashley's song where she's like i really appreciate the effort that ashley put into hitting those notes she put a lot of ever she's starting to get a little shady in her own way and it's it's such a stacy way to do it's very classy very very demure you know yep it's dixnery dot com's word of the year yeah demure is it's yeah remember that whole thing but i like that she's getting involved now and we get more of it here where me is like well if karen doesn't drink then i'm celibate and stacy's like oh that means that karen's a drunk and i thought it was funny but what stacy doesn't realize is that comment

right there will come back at the reunion and that's going to bite her in the ass with her friendship with karen which it shouldn't because it's very clearly a joke it is and stacey's learning how to say and tell jokes like let her go she needs to figure out how to do this whole humor thing She needs to be able to have sarcasm. She needs to be able to move forward with this group of girls. That's the only way she's going to be able to do it. She didn't mean anything by it. I didn't really care because Wendy also kind of like went like this.

And Chazelle also did that. Like what did she say? Karen's a drunk. It's like, no, like you guys are missing the point. It's just a goof. It is just a goof. But you know for a fact that's coming back. And it's going to bother me when it comes back to.

Me too, because it was just a funny. She's trying to mix it up. She's going to feel so bad and like apologize profusely at the reunion. It's going to be like, Yeah, it's going to be nauseating. But I did want to make a note of that. But we move on to Ashley, and I'm going to start saying this when I have birthdays. I'm seeing my 36th year.

That's a cool way to say, happy birthday. Is it? Happy G day, King. That's kind of like that. There we know. That's good. Yeah, happy G day. Seeing my 36 year, I didn't really care for.

So don't say that. It makes you sound much older. I'm seeing my 35th year next year, shoot. I'm very excited. That's this year. No, it's next year. I can't do calendars. Is your birthday and deer hunting season?

It's actually right before. Deer hunting season is usually the end of September. There's early season, then there's youth season, and then you get like October's full swing. Youth season? There's youth seasons usually before, yeah, if you're at the age of 18. If you're at the age of 18, you can hunt like a week. Oh, oh, okay.

I was thinking the deer is the youth in that. Oh, God. If anyone's shooting a baby deer, you're just an asshole. Okay, all right, good. Yeah, no, that's not a thing. Thank God. I got worried for a second. Yeah, no, youth seasons for the people doing the hunting guy.

But the youths? The youths. But the only reason I'm bringing this scene up, because we said we are not going to discuss mediation. We will not discuss Michael Lump was there. That's exactly why. You get to see Uncle Lump, finally. We get to see Uncle Lump. He's a personal favorite of ours.

He's the no bullshit guy that we need on this show. He should honestly be a friend of. And he should be present for certain situations. Like when Mia is doing this whole thing, if Lump was there everyone would see like the light. There'd be so much more reason

involved if Lump was there. We need more lump. We need Lump and Karen to have a sit-down lunch. We'll get to the bottom of it. Absolutely. No, you can. I think that would be so disrespectful. And he'd call you out on it right away.

Hold on. Yeah, I'm not falling for this bullshit. But let's keep going. We get to Mia and... I love that we just completely gloss over the entire fucking scene. to talk about there's still to this day it finally came out last week that it's looking like by next week maybe the papers will be signed it's always next week current time exactly no so we're not

doing this every time yes ashley you've done very well for yourself as a single mother you got on your feet it is awesome like jokes but we're done talking about it until there's something to talk about because this will come up again we will have the same conversation again lump will probably be there and we'll do this whole thing we'll say you yay lump by Ashley let's move on. So we get to Mia who's going to the airport to pick up Inc after their two-day pause. I don't know how the fuck they did

it. How they got through this rough patch but they made it on the other end of things and she picks up DJ Apple Box from the airport. I thought he's going to pick them up into the air, honestly. Me too. I thought she's going to like creole. We have a lot of airport talk and a lot of airplane talk on this podcast.

If you're the asshole, if you're the asshole that's going to sit there in the fucking road, park your car, put your hazards on to get out and give each other a hug because it's been two days go away go away you take ubers you don't get the pickup anymore you lose all your pickup privileges unless it comes off the plane and she picks them up like an actual toddler then i'm a did you have a good plane rod did they give you snacks i'm surprised he didn't have an unaccompanied minor badge they gave me this badge and it has a star on it me yeah they gave me wings look it's pilot

I wasn't allowed to get off the plane without the flight attendant, so that's the vibe I got. But no, she's legit parked two lanes over. If she was at the Philly airport, you know how crazy those cops are there? They flagged her down immediately. They probably would have towed her car. Get out of them. If you're going to be that person, pull off to the side at the very least. Don't park in the middle of the road.

Plus it takes like 35 seconds for him to change the seat setting so that he can move up close to the pedals. That's a good point. Even if it's pre-programmed, you got to click. the button it's got to go to the full upsetting and she's got to put the pillow and the phone book down so he can see over the steering wheel that's a lot to do yeah come on it's like be be a little bit more efficient with it but they're talking about gordon and this was nuts so this is 24 hours after what we saw in the kitchen and maybe this points to the mania i don't know and this could be

more of an argument for that but there's clips and videos of g and ink on the roof like having a drink the kids are jumping in the pool with ink so this whole thing's just fucking weird and we should not be watching it we should not be seeing this but god damn it if it's not so interesting like when i want to watch that whole day at the pool i want to see the interaction between ink and gordon like what are their conversations when it's not like neck and neck like that or are budding heads like what are they talking they seem fine they were legit sharing a drink next to each other. Yeah. And it was like a definitely like a sneaky little recording too. And that's Mia's doing, of course, because she needs everybody on her socials to know, hey, look at this. We've got a

blended family. This is great. It's like, yeah, we just watched on camera that Gordon is very uncomfortable with all this. And look, again, it's just, I don't believe anything that Mia says. And what Gordon said last week was, I don't want to film with you. So this is probably how it is all the time. This is more than likely what it's like. But putting it on camera is a different animal that Mia doesn't understand because this is her job. I mean, I know she's a CEO of, you know, nothing, but she's going to go ahead and get on this TV show and she's going to show everything. And Gordon doesn't want to do that.

He wants to stick to that. He wants to be around the kids and be nice. That's all he wants to do. I think that is what he's doing. He just doesn't want to promote their relationship on TV and I don't blame them. I don't either. And if you're Mia and you're looking at this situation from like a life standpoint of I don't want to fuck my kids up, if you know that they vibe off camera, maybe don't

force them on to camera together like maybe leave them out of it so you can have this copacetic relationship off camera yeah but no because she knows it's going to make good tv because you know we're all idiots from like manja manja give me more but i just it makes me feel bad once again for the kids and like jeremiah because you know he's going to there's no way especially if ink turns out to actually be his father there is no way he doesn't go back and watch this season i know i would me is going to make them are you kidding oh god don't say that That's mean. It's his 18th and me is going to be like,

all right, now we're going to find out, we actually have it on film when we found out that Inc was your real daddy. Here you go, and it's the fucking reunion. Ever heard of how I met your mother?

Well, here's how I met your father. Play the season. But I do have a question. Because Ink tries to tough guy talk at the end, which I'm surprised it took this long for it to come out. Could he beat up Gordon?

No. He said he couldn't beat him up now, let alone 25 years ago. Yeah, no, Gordon would whoop his ass, right? Yeah. All he has to do is, like, hold his arm out. Exactly. Or just pick him up by, like, by the collar and be like, all right, guy, settle down.

Like, even Gordon's like 72. And I think, yeah, choose box. I legit think that Gordon would just like open palm bitch slap him and be like, fuck off kid. Like, get out of here. I love that he tried a tough talk. It's insane. Tough talking.

A 72 year old man is insane. Yeah. And then backing it up with like, step back grandpa. It's like, oh. you got him you're talking about a also like Gordon wasn't trying to fight you Gordon was saying I don't want to be around you because you fucking my wife cheated on me with you that is not insane he's not tough talking you he's just saying facts so the fact that you're getting mad about that says everything that we didn't know about you ink that's why we have no problem calling you small

no I have no issue shitting on ink like zero actually because of this whole bizarre situation because he talks like that again yeah you just threatened a 72 year old old bipolar man. That's what you've done. And you're in your 30s probably. Like sick. Like baby four. I don't know.

I don't fucking care. It's not a good look. It's just stupid. But whatever. We get to Wendy's birthday party. And again, I will never understand these. I guess that's why they're on housewives and we are not.

This is a bash. This is a big old birthday bash. It is $60,000 for that, though. I was surprised too. Yeah. Maybe it's the accoutrement. Maybe the food. No.

It's inflation's fault, yeah. Oh, okay. All right, that's fine. Yeah, because I didn't see that either, but you know, you get the happy Eddie stand there and it does look nice and it's a nice venue. That boat was ridiculous, but Karen arrives and proclames are innocence once again. And Mia, I'll give her credit here as somewhat the voice of reason where she does say, if you just, like, we're a little bit more up front.

If you let us in a little bit, took a little bit of accountability, what you would have. have is a group of women that were no longer questioning you and instead rallying behind you to get you through this whole thing. Very true. Because again, we have evidence of that. Look at Shannon on OC. She took full accountability. She had the troops rally around her, including the fan base.

Some of them, yeah. Some of them. Some have tried to make her. If Mia is the one saying it, Mia would be the one on this cast that I would see kind of standing on the other side still giving her shit for it. And if me is sitting there saying, we would just support you at that point, then, yeah, you would get all of the girls support. If you just took some responsibility, that's all you have to do. And she's refusing to do that.

And she might not do it the entire season. So we're going to get to the same point that we are with Ashley and Michael with Karen. We're just going to like, all right, well, we're not finding anything else out because she's not talking about it. So why are we talking about it? Correct. But as we go through this whole party, Ashley's butt hurt because it's her birthday. I don't agree with that. Yeah.

That sucks because they did celebrate Wendy's birthday in Charlotte. And now on your actual birthday, you're celebrating Wendy's birthday again. I don't even know if Wendy said happy birthday to you. I don't think she did. Did she celebrate her birthday in Charlotte or was that Mia's party? Because that was Mia's party. That wasn't an Ashley party. Was it?

Did they toast to Ashley? It was the Wendy party either. It was a Mia party. Yeah. Yeah. No, Ashley's getting no respect as far as the birthday goes. So I did feel for her there. but it's very telling it's very telling that tj is viving with ray yep okay that the fact that they are

clicking over the commodore 64 that gordon was programming on back in 1974 and tj's like fuck yeah the commodore i know exactly what you were doing that's a red flag this guy is a wet blanket he's a fucking noodle like i don't he has i don't i don't understand the allure. I don't understand the pull. I don't know why she's attracted to this guy. I'm going to get way more into it here in a minute because we got to talk about this fucking boat.

We need to talk about this boat. I saw one of these boats when I was down in Florida last weekend, though. Like the car boat boat? Yeah, it was like a Lamborghini or something and it was going fast. It was looking. You got to have, go fast. You're going to have a lamb boat. Lamb boat.

Nice. Yeah, I came out of there. Hey, oh. I'm surprised you didn't keep going with that. Lambeaukini, it's just, it's Michael King. It's Michael Kane in Dark Night. The Lamborghini then. Don't forget about a Lamborghinis.

I can do a whole episode of quoting Michael Kane from Batman. Lambokini then, sir. I forget about a Lamborghinis. Oh, what about the Lamborghinis? Oh, much more subtle. Oh, failed you. Trust him, you know, if you haven't watched the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, you don't know what we're talking about.

And do yourself a favor, because you can also do Bain. You do, oh, I was bored in the dark, murdered by it. See, you could get us off on a tangent here, but we're going to rein it back in. We're at the lamp out. And one quick thing, I know we said we're going to stop talking about Karen, but again, I will point out damning evidence because Ray's about the last something slip which means you can talk about something because ray's like well you can say and she's like no you can't what what is he going to say like let him talk like what the fuck but it is at

the same time i thought about this i had the same sentiment that you did clearly we can talk about this but when ray starts talking i start wondering what ray is actually going to say because it is still ray if it's anybody else yeah you might get some information i don't know what ray's going to say He might say something completely off the cuff that has nothing to do with anything and now there's something else on our radar. So I kind of wanted him to keep talking because I don't even think it was going to be about the DUI.

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But we sit down at the table and TJ takes a seat next to Stacey. We're all adults. This is a birthday party for a 40-year-old. You're over there. You're over there talking to Ray, right? Yeah. You're fine. He sits down next to Stacey.

She's like, oh, hey, there you are. He's like, oh, yeah, now you notice me. Huh. You're talking to everybody. You're hanging out with everybody. but me what the fuck like i'm warning you you've been warned i'm i the more he said the more uncomfortable that i got he's like get it together man what's wrong with you get your hand off me i'm like dude fuck you you you self-righteous bible thumping dickhead how are you gonna sit next to this

woman who brought you to a party who can assume that as a grown man you can at least go talk and mingle while she talks and mingles amongst her own friends and you come over here and berate her in front of people, by the way. It's always the people that proclaim their Christianity. I'm a good guy. I love God, this, that, and the other thing. It's always them that turn into the biggest shitheads because how are you going to talk to this woman like that in front of other people? She puts her hand on you to like make a mens like, get your hand off me. Shut the fuck up, guy. You are such a weirdo. And this is all respect or any reservations I had about their relationship, about who TJ was or out the window. This guy sucks,

And he leans on Christianity to pretend like he's a good dude, like he's looking after their relationship. You're not. I don't know what your end goal is at this point. I really truly don't. I don't know what you want out of this. I don't know what you're getting out of this. I do know that Stacy is gorgeous.

She's intelligent. She's successful. She's way better than this fucking guy. And she's just getting out of this divorce. And she needs to go and have some fun with some smoking hot, like 20-something-year-old dude in a club and get sweaty and gross and go to Miami and fuck around for a while and then come home and find somebody normal and post all of it in tag tj so he can see what a fucking dink he is and what a loser he is for sitting down and talking to you like this how the fuck is he talking

to stacey like this he's the biggest loser we've ever seen and that's not counting like sketchy behavior he's just a fucking dork like what the how can you look at stacey t j and talk to her like that when you're such a fucking nerd like fuck him seriously i hate dj i hate him more than i've hated a bravo dude in such a long time and it's probably because of the self-righteous go-fuck yourself attitude that he has but this was just baffling i was mind bottled mind boggled and just blown away what um what's a dink a dink uh look at t j t j's a dink That's a really good answer. Yeah, look, I'm going to preface this by saying,

it is not girly to appreciate flowers, buddy. Yeah. That's my point. Like, what the fuck? How do you like the flowers? That's a girl question. Are you five? I love flowers, by the way.

Flowers are beautiful. You get some fresh flowers, put them around. That makes your apartment look great. Makes every event look beautiful. Seals got flowers tattooed on them. Oh, my tattoos, girly? Are these a girly thing? Also, by the way, we've seen.

the way that you dress. Like, what? Flowers are girly? You're wearing a see-through sequin shirt on watch what happens live and you're going to say that flowers are a girl question? What the fuck are you talking about?

And I never go after people for what they want to wear. You express yourself however you feel necessary. That's not my fucking business. But if you're going to shit on flowers, you're too... TJ of all people is too masculine for flowers. Like, what are you talking about? You wore yoga pants to an event, and you're going to tell me that flowers are girly?

You're doing a weird shoulder bop while you're sitting at this fucking GNA event, but flowers are too girly. You are not masculine, sir, at all. In any way, shape, or form, you're the opposite, actually. So for you, of all people, to comment on flowers, fuck you. Flowers are great. What are we doing here? Who is this guy? I have to apologize to everybody who's listening

into their car right now because that is definitely the loudest we've ever got. Oh, yeah. That's like low. And then we also talk low most of the time. So when we get ramp it up. I'm going to, I, it is a safe space. I need to say something, Mel. Okay.

We love Greg. Absolutely love Greg. Great guy. Yep. You need to fucking get a better wardrobe, though, buddy. I know. He wears the little blows. He wore a t-shirt.

It was a white t-shirt. It was like a good product, but like it's still. you can't have ink the child showing up wearing an all white suit and you have a t-shirt on can't just can't do that it's tough look i mean you could you say it's endearing in a way it's like the dad look yeah i suppose criticism for him i just want to look you know because i know he can so i want him to look his best i agree with that i think that he needs to present himself better because he's he is better right he's better than these other dudes so let's let's look look the part gregg you're getting upstage by by fucking tj at this moment who wears see-through shirts

I'll watch what happens live, but it says the flowers are girly. Did you see scenes from next week? It looks like him and Keorna have a scene together. Do not let us down, Greg. I know. We have been Thrust in Greg. Thrust in Justin, Justin, Thrustin, Justin. No, no.

We've been. I'll think of something better, but Thruston Gregory is not. Thrust of Justin lives in Salt Lake and he will remain there. Well, pound that asses. I want to pound your ass. Yeah, that's all I, we definitely just crushed T.J. appropriately. Go away, T.J. Stacey's way too good for you. We don't need you anymore. And, uh, yeah, I mean, that's, that's, hopefully that's all she wrote for T.J. Move on. It's not. She was just on watch what happens live with the guy a week ago. I just mean, I just don't want to see him anymore. But he, uh, look, Stacy just told you last week that all of these women had questions about you and their relationship. Do you really think it's a good move to start doing those things at a, party around all of those women no have some fucking self-awareness it was weird to begin with don't do it in public either no even if he wasn't a total piece of shit because of this scene

it's such a major red flag for me if he can't be apart from her at a party for i don't know 30 months to an hour you can't go mingle yeah jesus christ like settle down guy or just fuck off honestly just fuck off we don't like you anymore you don't have sex well said yeah beautiful beautifully that was poetic honestly but the whole group gets together and joselle brings up the ink and g stuff because she sat down and listened to this sob story from mea this bizarreo sob story and yeah she said she wanted to hear up at the same time like they were there listening and they were trying to comfort her and be there for her and support her and then she's like okay what the fuck the next day you're posting these images it's like a photo shoot of ink with gordon the kids with gordon the kids with gordon

and ink. It's very strange because you're telling us one thing and then turning around and doing something totally different. And it just shows you that the whole cast feels how we do. We can't trust anything she says. Ashley, of all people is pointing out like, oh, we can't really trust everything she says because you get like different versions of different stories. Giselle, different versions of different stories. What changed in 24 hours? What's going on? And she, I saw a meme earlier, and I'm not sure what I count it's from. And I'm sorry for that for not giving any of your props, but it was like, it said Mia's storylines and comments are like clickbait.

And that's exactly what it is because she knows what she's doing. And she's like, I want the fathers of my kids to get along. The fathers of my children and everybody there. Do you think that was a Freudian slip or do you think that she actually said that? She knew exactly what she was doing. She does a better job than anybody else on these shows of even when she misspeaks, she stands where she stood. She owns it.

She owns it immediately and acts like she meant to say that. So I can't tell anymore when she's misspeaking, which is really good by her, honestly, because it keeps me in. I can argue it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Because either authority and slipper, she meant to say it, neither way she's going to own it, either way she meant it. I think she knows, like, I do think that she knows what she's doing and what she's presenting

and how she's presenting it. We saw that on the trip to Charlotte at Lake Norman when she sets herself up with the girls that she invites over the house say a funny story about me and that was all just so she got to Karen like she she does set things up in advance so i do think that she meant to say that i do think it's walking clickbait intentionally i also think that it weirdly works not for the reasons that she thinks because it's not this big cliffhanger of holy shit who's the dad it's more like wow you're nuts you're fucking nuts i need to see how this ends it's the whole thing is bizarre the whole show i mean it's great it's so

so good, but for so many different reasons that I'm used to Potomac being good. Like, it's taking such a different path this year with the Stacey of it all, who's night and day from pretty much any housewife we've ever seen on any show. And then you get near with the kids thing, which we never thought this would be a sticking point on a Bravo show, because they're usually somewhat, I say that very lightly with an asterisk, somewhat gentle with the kids. So we weren't expecting that.

the Karen somehow making a DUI light and entertaining is fucking weird. The whole thing is kind of weird, but in a really good way. Yeah, that's where we don't, we don't feel like it's too dark, you know? Yeah, it's light, but it's serious shit. I don't know how they're doing it. Yeah.

Maybe it could simply be Stacy, but I will also say what we've gotten out of Kearna, she's great, Jazzy's been great. Like it's been a solid run for the entire cast. I just, it's strange sometimes. It's very strange. But let's get to some questions.

This is great. From Bridget J. Would you rather attend a GNA fitness class, Adorobics class, or pickleball game with Randall? I'm not playing pickleball with Randall because I'll probably end up hitting with the paddle or something. Or catching a charge by just being near him. Oof. You know what?

I'd probably do the, probably derobics, honestly, just because it's iconic, just the iconic level of it. G&A, I feel like, would be a nice little sweat in the morning. That'd be fun, you know? Yeah. But, yeah, I don't think you can ever say no if you get invited to a derobics class. You got to go. I'll save that one for the end, because that's fun.

From literature lad, does TJ straight up hate Stacy or what? I think he hates himself. I do too. I think that's what we're saying. seeing he's a self-hater from christie jeddlick he can bravo create a show for uncle lump to dispense advice to bravo levities yes that would be great uncle uh what would you call it uh uncle lump knowledge dump that's not bad yeah they can do better i don't like to put dump next to his name no we'll figure it out but yes that would be a great show'd be really funny even if it's like a one-off

Uncle Lump on the bump Uncle Lump on the bump He's a pitcher Yeah, I get it. Thanks I was explaining to the audience Okay I'll do two more from It's Sin If you can remove one houseway from this cast

Who would it be? Ashley We don't need Ashley She doesn't She serves no purpose honestly Yeah there's just something about her being on this show I don't know I can't take her off As of right now I'd go with Jazzy

I like Jazzy but I think that you could live without her i'm not going to pick any of the new ones just because i don't you know i'm going to get doing a good job yeah can't remove mea can't remove giselle can't remove karen that's it's actually christie's got a gun to my head all right i'm just trying to answer as fast as i can't that's why i said jazzy last one because it's a good throwback we haven't done this in a while from shana draper 27 i'd love a housewife's franchise power raking favorite franchise to rony because we all know what's last uh all of them are just the ones that are on right now ones on right now uh salt lake oc potomac beverly hills roney okay i'm going to go salt lake potomac

beverly hills but they're all very close like there's not a big gap i can't go I don't know far down. You have Beverly Hills mother to see? No, I don't. I don't. Let's go. Fuck. Salt Lake, O.C., Potomac,

Beverly Hills, Roney. Okay. But again, like the gap between two and four are like, I mean, this big because they're, they're great. All the shows on right now, other than Roney, are great. And Southern Charms coming back soon. And so next week. Yeah, but I did see Andy came out and said,

Roni's here to stay. So hopefully they figure this out. Hopefully they're listening. That's the best, not just the us, but just reading the comments and all the people that are going after that show right now. Hopefully they take this into account and make adjustments next year.

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