Bros & Shows - M.I.A. on the Bay- (RHOPS07EP06, RHOSLCS03EP08, WinterHouseS02EP06)

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

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And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros. for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only, Shooter McGee. What's up, dude? Shooter McGee. I like that one. It's a new one. All right. We'll go with that. I'm doing all right. You know, it's pissing me off that it gets super dark at like 5 p.m. now. I just like fucking day wasted. I have good news. This is the last year of daylight savings. All right, cool. Did you know that? Yeah, because what? There's no more farmers? So actually, you want a little history lesson? So that is why daylight savings began. It's also the saving. conserve energy. It's now been shown that daylight savings loses more energy than it saves, so they're getting rid of it. So we only have to deal with like the depressing, crushing darkness for one more year. If we can get through this, we'll be fine. That's a tall order.

It'll be fine. It'll be a long year. I'm also bummed. Sorry to start out with like the bummer podcast. Yeah. The birds are eight and one. We lost one. And it's okay. It was a tough game. I do need to comment on it though. Oh, do you? I feel like you've said enough. I do. I was going to say Should we just get it out of the way now? Yeah, just get it out of the way now. Go ahead. All right. So those of you who listen to us religiously, one, we love you.

Love you. Two, you know that a couple weeks ago, the Phillies got no hit in the World Series. I was on the end of a lot of criticism from Steele over here. Yep. Because I posted a story beforehand saying we're primed for a blowout. Obviously, I was wrong. It was in the opposite direction. All good, whatever.

Birds are losing. We're getting a lot of commanders fans in our DMs, ripping us apart. calling our team trash. Steele text me and I immediately look at my fiancé and I go, I hope he doesn't say anything back. Just leave it alone until the end of the game. And then when we win, then you talk some shit. If we lose, you don't have to say anything. I know, but I didn't realize.

So as I was saying that, Colleen goes, did you look at the Instagram? No, I didn't. Steele's up there not only just saying like, don't worry about it. It's just the first half, whatever. He's talking a little bit of shit too. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is going to blow back on us. But I think you handled yourself. Look, the end of it was good, the follow-up post with the hat on the ground, and then Robert De Niro, very sad in his Eagles jersey.

That worked and that played pretty well, and I hope that people enjoyed that. Well, so here's the thing. This is the funny part of the whole exchange. I understand what I did wrong. Okay. I did give you shit for doing the same exact thing. While I do think they're very different because you claimed blowout before the game had even started and I was just defending our honor, I was standing up for you and I. But I do understand where I messed up.

Okay, I shouldn't have said anything, and I jinxed us, and that loss is on me. We're 8 in 1 because of Steele Russell, and I will take full acceptance of that. However, to our fans out there, to our listeners out there, and our commanders fans, some people took umbrage with me, like, talking smack. It's all in good fun. I'm not actually, like, challenging anybody. I'm just trying to, like, razz a little bit. Who's taking umbrage with that?

What did they say? Oh, some people, like, DMed and were like, one person said, I liked you guys. I just started listening, but you seem really angry, and it's not a good look, just saying. Clearly, they know nothing about Philadelphia sports. No, no, look, we're passionate fans. We're passionate people. That's what we do in Philly. We ride or die.

We talk a little shit. We expect it back, by the way. I didn't take the video down. I left it up. I knew what I was going to get, and the next day I got nothing but commanders fans, Broncos fans, you name it. Do it, everybody across the board. But I will say the Broncos fans. made me laugh because they're like you have one loss our team is a disaster like get over it

i mean that is how it is like we get one loss we still have the best record in the NFL and you and i were calling for firings of different coaches bringing in different players which they did thankfully but that's just how we are i mean we don't look at it even when we're winning and we're 8 no we're still nitpicking we're still angry we're always going to be so just you know get with the program yeah get with the program but we we will accept any and all trash talk we love it we will give it back to you just always remember it's in good fun we're not trying to attack you personally it's just funny good shit talk is funny always that's why we watch these shows but there is one thing we got to point out and if you see any of our tic docs this week you'll see us both wearing some pretty fashionable henlies

and this is not an official ad by any means but there is a company that's actually philly based which i love called steggies that reached out to us and asked if we wanted to try out some of their henlies which are super comfortable oh yeah glad we got them and if you like them as well there is a Checkout co-brose 10. You get 10% off of a Staggy's order. I know this sounds like an ad, but we genuinely like like these shirts a lot. I love supporting local businesses,

so it's Philly-based. It's actually the CEO of the company, her kids went to CHA in Springside. There we go. Fellow, alma mater. Look, good, feel good. Love them. Look, feel good, pod good.

That's what we believe here. That's how we do it. And then we can't announce anything officially yet, but just be on the lookout for something huge coming on Monday. It's probably the biggest thing we've ever announced we're both super excited about it we put a lot of work into it already we're going to continue to put a lot of work into it until another date that you will find out in just a few days so might be holiday themed it might be who knows what we got cooking up in these brains of ours

but stay tuned because santa's coming to town that's all i can say and then the last order of business is to get this out of the way the bros are on cameo now we've actually gotten a few of these requests they've been a lot of fun so if you want us to shout you out a little happy birthday talk some smack about bravo or convince your significant other to become a bra bro himself reach out to us on cameo we'll do the job for you yeah we love doing it i mean engaging with you guys is a lot of fun it's probably the best part of this whole thing yeah i mean you can pretty much request whatever you want us to do to an extent yeah careful with that but we will do it I mean, you know how it goes?

I would say what they're 98% of the requests will do. Yeah. I'll leave like a soft 2% where we may be too much unless, you know, the money's there. We're, you know, we're not above bribery. We've talked about that before. Yeah. We're high-end cameo escorts. With all that being said, let's get into our Rosenthorn.

Let's get that out of the way. My new favorite segment. There was a lot of really good ones this week. There was a lot of chatter on Twitter. a lot more Twitter traction now. Oh, yeah. Which is interesting because, as we've mentioned before, Twitter's a much meaner place. It's not as gentle when it comes to the razzing.

I think Twitter's so much funnier. It is really funny. People really do just speak their mind out there. Like, TikTok is always kind of in the middle. Instagram seems to be super supportive at all times. There's really never anybody talking shit on there. But Twitter is you get what people are thinking at all times. And I always appreciate that because that gives us a good, like, barometer of,

what we're doing usually it's kind of just going against what we're saying which i'm fine with you can have your own opinion sure that's that's what we want but i really enjoy it i do too and it's funny here's what i've kind of broken it down to all right so they say like instagram's like your highlight real right so no one's going to go like too far in on instagram for the most part that seems to be our like most gentle platform ticot gets a little bit if you're just because there's a lot of accounts that have no posts like not everyone's posting on ticot twitter is just a war's zone because people have burner accounts they have three accounts they have whatever and they say anything that comes that's their true part like your true self is your twitter self yeah your

instagram's your highlight real that's what i've come to yeah but anyway with that let's go rosent thorpe what do you got for me all right so i'm going to start off this is this made me laugh a lot i don't really understand it but start that over and talk right because last week you did that and like oh okay yeah um yeah so this first one that i have here my rose actually no This will be my thorn. As much as it made me laugh, it's my thorn, because it's a thorn for you. Oh, no. So the first one that I have here, and I'm going to put this one out.

I know which one this is. Well, I'm going to put this one out there because it's a funny username. This username is El Farto Grande. I love that one. And this guy says, does left side guy have his shoes on the wrong feet? I saw, I knew you were going to say that one. What a ridiculous statement. But there were people that backed it up, and they're like, yeah,

There was one person. That's enough. That's not, look. One more, one more, maybe it's his burner, I don't know. But one more different person saying that, it adds a little credibility. It does, look, their boots, okay? They don't have as much of a shoe shape to them. But who the hell thinks I'm sitting on camera with my shoes on the wrong feet?

Well, I think this goes to show you that people are looking at our feet. When we go back to the first or second episode when we started talking about feet picks. Oh, yeah, people did one feet picks. People wanted us to do the podcast without socks on. weird, but people are looking and they're noticing. Well, so we'll leave it at that. No, not leave it at that. No, I don't put my shoes on the wrong fucking feet.

Okay, I'm not leaving it at anything. I know what shoes to put my feet in. Okay. You did not need to say that. This is getting so much worse for you than it really needed to be. Let's just move on. We'll move on to my rows. This one's good for both of us, and it's very nice.

This one comes from Tina M. Ricker. I feel like I should read these users. You're much better than I am. I take a second to look before I just start reading. No, I just go right after it. Yeah, I know. She says, I love you too. I bet your mothers are proud.

As a mother, I'm proud. Sniff, sniff, clapping hands, heart emoji. I love that. You know, my mother is proud. Steal's mother. Very proud. Very proud. So thank you.

That was really nice. And there we go. Wow, I feel good. Yeah, see, I make fun of your feet and then I make you feel nice and warm. That's what you get with me. It's fun. My grandmother's also proud. She listens to every episode.

Yeah. funny thing is she loves to comment on my grammar. Oh, yeah, you said this before, yeah. She'll say, yeah, he cracks me up. She'll send it, like, pretty much saying, steal. You're not that stupid that you think the word is that. So, Gaggy, love you, keep it up. My Rosenthorn this week.

So I'm going to start out with a rose. This is just a rose for me. This has nothing to do with you. From Robert A. Wills, 1975. This one's on Twitter. I don't pay attention to what's being said. I simply wait patiently for the camera to get to the dude in the black shirt, then stare intently, fire emoji.

Somebody also commented on that one and said, same here. I'm like, all right? Give me that kind of love. I want that support. Don't tell him my shoes on my fucking feet. Staring intently. If it's just like, I like when he's on the screen, that would be fine. Staring intently.

Look, it's flattering. I appreciate it. You might want to close your windows at night. Just put, make sure you draw the curtains. Yeah. I put the lines down. But I thought that was a nice rose. My thorn, and this one's getting a little deeper.

I know we like to get too deep with the Rosent Thorn, but I've noticed a lot of these comments and different ways, shapes, and forms. I just wanted to talk about it real quick. I'm not overly sensitive to it. It's not like the end of the world. But this one says, and this one is from TikTok, Who breaks glass and then says, I'm not cleaning it up?

Alcoholic behavior. Call him out for what he is. So I just want to talk about this because there's a lot of comments where people throw like AA out there, they throw alcoholic out there, and as a recovering alcoholic, it's not the coolest thing to read. just because it's a little insensitive.

And again, not the end of the world. I'm not like up in arms about it. Like, I understand what they're saying. But to someone that actually is an alcoholic, myself, like, there's way more to it than having a really bad night. And like, yeah, there are some warning signs that we see on these shows. There's some red flags that pop up. But to use that as ammo to throw it out there, like, it's a stigma or it's a negative

thing. Like, that's the whole problem with getting people to be more open about talking about this shit. And as you know, like I'm very open with my sobriety. I'd like to talk about it. I'd like to kind of get it out there in an effort to erase the stigma that comes with it. So when I see shit like that, like, again, I'm not seeing it in like texting shooter like, oh, you're not going to believe this.

Like, it doesn't crush me. It's just, it's a little irritating just because this stigma that comes with this disease and that comes with addiction overall, it's really hard to shake to begin with. So when people just throw that shit against the wall, like, oh, he's an alcoholic, gross. like it kind of sucks so I would hope that people you know just think about it a little bit more like occasionally if I see one like whatever again I'm never going to cause a stir but it is it struck me as a moment where I could at least like discuss it in like a constructive way just to let you know like there's more to it it's not great to read that so just just putting that out in the

world it's a good point and I think that kind of builds off of what we were talking about last week where nowadays people will throw therapy right at you like an argument because people think that they're more comfortable talking about therapy. It's more widely accepted, things like that. So I feel like it could open this sort of Pandora's box where you can just throw all of these accusations, name calling, whatever you want to call it around and not really feel any sort of remorse. So yeah, I think that is pretty tough. And for you, yeah, I understand that's very tough to see. And for me, it's tough to see because it's just like, all right, like, come on. We're watching these shows for entertainment. You really, like, yeah, we dig deep into relationships and things that we

see for an entertainment purpose, but we're not really, aside from Mia, attacking somebody's character like that. Correct. So let's just, let's keep it light and funny. What do you say? Keep it light and funny. That takes us to the Bravo news. We got some more dirt about the Gerardi-Keese shit. And I want to get your take on it because I want to know if you think think this helps to exonerate Erica or if this just does not have any bearing on what she's going through. So it came out that one of the partners at Gerardi Keese was accused of wire fraud and like a whole slew of accusations in which I don't know. Does this help to kind of make Erica seem innocent or she did not know? Like if there's more people in the actual firm that were kind of behind

all of this? Like doesn't that kind of take the spotlight off of her a little bit? I really don't think so. and this is kind of how I look at it, at least from like a legal point of view, they're going to go after the big fish first, right? They want to make sure that they nail the CFO, the CEO, whoever might have their hands in it, whoever may have taken the most amount of money or was guilty of the biggest, I guess, discretion. They're going to go after them first.

They want to make sure that they get them in handcuffs, so to speak, and move forward. I feel like Erica is pretty low down on the totem pole. That's fair. I don't think there's a whole lot of money that came to her in the grand scheme of things. Like, oh, if we're talking $30 million houses or whatever the fuck you bought, then yeah. Exactly, yeah. So obviously the CFO was charged.

But something interesting popped up. And it looks like the top FBI official in L.A. Or I guess he lives in L.A. He was connected to Gerardy through his mother. Apparently, his mother used to date Gerardy. She was a secretary. And Gerardy either gave her a ton of money or gifted her essentially a house that he co-owns with his mom now. They're staying silent.

obviously. But it is kind of weird. And there are a lot of people out there that will trace the money around. And that's the best way to kind of get to the bottom of what's going on. It's just crazy how many hands are in this pot. I know. And how like they have to go through and figure out, is this money dirty? Was this money, you know, rightfully owned or earned by this person and so on and so forth? So it's going to take forever to do this. I wouldn't be surprised if Eric is just sitting with all of these judgments and civil lawsuits and everything for like 15, 20 years. It's going to take. a long time. Yeah, because like you said, it's got to be bottom of the total point. I can't imagine that that takes precedent. But we are talking federal versus civil suits, so it's a totally different court system. So it might go a little bit faster. But, yeah, I mean, to know that this goes all the way up to the FBI, like this guy's the top, or like the assistant to the top of the field office in L.A. So assistant to the regional manager.

Yeah, assistant to the regional manager of the FBI in L.A. And he, like, the fact that there's ties to the FBI now, like, it's just out. many layers are there to this fucking thing like who's covering up for who when's the documentary coming out yes it's on hulu like i just it every time it seems like it's starting to blow over they drop another gerardi kisbaum and i i don't know i want to see it tied up i want to see how far it goes but it is definitely interesting it's gone on much longer than i thought it would yeah and to sort of answer your question again erika will absolutely use this as good news for herself i think Even though it has really nothing to do with her face at all.

Yeah, okay. Like, I don't think, I think this is completely aside. But next season we'll probably see her talking about, oh, did you see, you know, they charged him with this or they're doing this with this guy. Like, not me. I'm not part of this. Like, all right, you've got to wait. Like, give it another year.

We'll see if you're involved. That's fair. Just do your own thing. I don't really care. Let's move on because we're done with Beverly Hills. We are. You're right. You're right.

But I got to take us back real quick because something happened. And hopefully this is from a returning cast member because I want to see her back. But Denise Richards and her husband, Aaron, got in a little road rage incident where the back of his truck was shot. Somebody actually shot it with a gun. And where my head immediately goes, I don't know how much you watched with Denise and Aaron on the show. Oh, yeah. Oh, you watched it. So you know, like, the Big Farm is after him.

Yeah. Was this an assassination attempt by Big Farber to take out Aaron and Denise? That's pretty much. That's what social media was yesterday and the day before was. trying to connect the dots to Big Pharma going after Aaron. And obviously, Denise kind of stayed silent. She came after a couple of people that said very, very mean things on Twitter to her, talking about her role in that, saying that maybe she was the reason for the road rage and so on and so.

Let's go ahead and get this out there. We are not victim blaming. I'm glad they're safe. I'm glad they're okay. I don't think this was an assassination attempt by Big Pharma. But do we think that it was Big Pharma? No, I think it was just some asshole. I mean, how many times you hear about Road Rage and things,

going wrong. It's just people are assholes out there. I feel like recently it's been a lot. In old city, in downtown right by glory. That woman was shot at like two in the afternoon. There's a road rage incident. Yeah, it's just people get their angriest on the road, usually in traffic. We're glad that she's okay.

Hopefully she comes back. I want her back. I'd like to see her come back there, but no, I don't think Big Farm is after Aaron. Pfizer's on the prowl. Yeah. But that takes us to Stowe, Vermont, we're back with the Winterhouse crew with a kind of erratic episode. There was so much going.

So I like number my notes per like scene and I'll write like where we are, who's in the scene and then I'll take notes underneath. I have like, usually it's like 10, right? I have like 10 different scenes. I think I had 22. I know how you feel. I'm sure you don't even want to talk about Austin and Sierra, but we have to discuss it. So get over yourself.

When you're watching these two, like up until this point. This is pretty clear now, but in the first few episodes, did you think that there were still feelings there on either side? Yeah, both sides. But they wouldn't talk about it. I felt the same way. Why? Because it's so annoying. They're just talking back and forth and then bringing up things that happened months ago.

In this timeline, Austin is fully talking to Olivia to the point where he's FaceTiming her while she's in Vegas and begging her to come. Whatever. I'm just so tired of the Austin and Sierra thing because neither will acknowledge their role in. in the issues that they've had in the good times that they've had, they're just, like, so toxic that they're almost, like, allergic to each other unless they're talking about their problems. It's so weird to watch and it's so annoying. And I'm, like, just enough.

I'm fucking done with it. I will say it's really annoying to me that, like, when they're one-on-one with other people, like, Sierra's talking to Page. And, like, the way that she's talking to Paige is she's saying, like, I'm over him. Like, I'm going to leave. I don't want to be here anymore. But then they get one-on-one together, Austin and Sierra. and she's cool, calm, and collected, and you can tell that she's, like, feeling feelings for this guy.

Like, it's not, it's no longer, fuck him, I'm out. It's then, like, they have a very calm conversation about Austin saying, I was going to bring Olivia, and she says, no, that's not cool. And he immediately was like, yeah, no, you're right. Like, I should have even, like, brought it up. Like, that's my bad. Amanda even agrees, like, Sierra walks around, like, she's over it. She talks about it, like, she's over it.

We're just friends now, like, things are settling down, blah, blah, blah. If that's the case, first off. No, I would never be like, Olivia, coming to this house. The last person I slept with, by the way, was Sierra. She's in the other room. The fact that he even thought that was a good idea is crazy to me. But at the same time, if you want to show this dude that you are actually over him, play it cool, man. Be cool with it.

Be like, you know what? That's cool. She's your girl now. I get it. Yeah, I mean, I guess so. It's just, if Sierra didn't feel strongly about him or didn't feel feelings for him, then she wouldn't be like, fuck that. I'm leaving. I want to get out of this house.

else. Correct. Obviously, you still have feelings. So whatever, that's fine. Austin on the other side, he has feelings for Olivia, but obviously seeing Sierra brings up past feelings, whatever, get over it. It's fucking done. If you're clearly happy with Olivia to the point that you are begging her to leave

Las Vegas to come to Stowe, Vermont when she says that she doesn't like the cold weather, then you're clearly in love with or at least have very strong feelings towards Olivia and you want it to work. Stop talking to fucking Sierra. So it's just, it's so dumb to me. And I do kind of get Austin, because he did say, like, sometimes I'm just so oblivious. Like, all right, yeah, in that moment, I kind of did believe him that he was oblivious. Because why would he want Olivia and Sierra in the same room?

It's so awkward. And you're the person that has to deal with the most awkwardness. So don't put yourself in that position. Don't put your new girlfriend in that position. Don't put your ex fling in that position. It's just stupid to me. But Sierra sitting there saying, well, yeah, when you said, when I heard that from Amanda, I just said, well, this guy clearly doesn't give a fuck.

Clearly, you have fucking feelings. So just address them. I have theories on this. I don't think we even need to get into the theories because it's so dumb. You're such a bummer. I don't want it. Like, it's just so stupid. All I will say, all I will say is this, Austin's move to bring Olivia is not because he wants Olivia in that house.

Austin, to his credit, recognizes his behavior up until this point has not been. very great. He's been flirty as shit. He's checking her out. He's talking to his friends about checking her out. What this does for him, it shuts it down. It gets him to stop being an idiot, to stop

flirting. This is his move to be like, I need to focus. And like, good for him for recognizing like, hey, you're towing the line here, bud, like you need to rein it in a little bit because one, you're on TV. Olivia's going to see this. Two, people are noticing. Everyone in there.

Craig even says it to Page and he says it to Sierra. He says he followed you around like a puppy dog. If people are noticing you need to stop immediately, the only way that he can like certify that he will not do something dumb is by being like, fuck it, I'm bringing her here. I'll be a good boyfriend. If she's here, I won't be a fuck boy. I won't mess around. While he has not been great up until this point as far as like not being flirty, that is a move

to try to get back on the right track. I get that. Let me just say something about the over. appeal of this show at this point for me. Tom and Tom are great. I love Tom. I told you. Then they left.

I know. Why are they there for two days? I don't know. By the way, dude, I realized, I don't know how many episodes this we have because somebody said we've been here for four days. No fucking money. They said it is something within like a five to six day span so far. We have not gone that long yet.

And they're there for two and a half weeks apparently. Yeah. And that was episode five. There were only five episodes last year. I told you. I fucking knew it. I knew this one would be longer. I enjoy it for the most part.

Here's where I am with this. One, why do they always act like they're so surprised by the theme parties? You have fucking costumes. I know. You brought shit. So don't walk in and be like, wait, what's this theme? So what are we supposed to do? You have an Adam and Eve costume somewhere in your room.

You know what the theme is. Shut up. It's not doing anything for the viewer. I get it. Two, it's just an ongoing party. And there's just people coming in and coming out. I mean, I'm excited for Carl. and Lindsay to come in because they'll add a new dynamic and there's obviously Austin

the things that he feels with Lindsay and his past relationships with her but aside from Tom and Tom being a nice reprieve it just seems to be more of the same and over and over and like I don't really care about seeing the dynamic and we can lead into the next thing the dynamic between Corey and Jess because these are two people that aren't on shows so I really don't care anymore I'm kind of over both of them Jess annoys the shit out of me at this point so I'm like whatever I'm kind of over the show already I'm gonna tread lightly with this because because I don't want people to come after me. Was she in a cult?

Oh, no. So, well, she was homeschooled? She was homeschooled, like, super Baptist. Which explains a lot that she was homeschooled. I know, I agree. But, like, the whole thing with her this episode was just so asinine to me. It really drove me crazy because her big issue is that she's not getting complimented. Yeah, that.

Like, what are you talking about? Like, I hate that. You can't expect a compliment every time you walk in the room just because you're used to it. By the way, I think Paige said it perfectly, and you, can see it play out with Rachel. Rachel makes the effort. She goes into their room. She starts conversations. Like, yes, is this a clicky group? Somewhat for sure. Like, they've known each other for a long time. You need to make the effort if you want to crack into it. Page says, have you ever checked it on me? No. Well, I've checked in on you. So I'm making more of an effort than you

are. If you want to play like Bambi in the corner where I need to make the effort 24-7, 365, like these people aren't going to do that. They are in their own right, celebrities. Like, they have been on television, they're not going to go out of their way to cultivate a friendship with a new person if they're not making the effort in return. So I understand where the girls are coming from and I don't think they've been mean girls. I don't think they've been that bitchy, especially compared to what we've seen some of the shit in the past. So Jess is just irritating and I can't wait. I'm actually excited. The dynamic between her and Corey is going to get so weird only because I know my man was only playing the game up until the point they finally hook up in one of the

most like annoying hookup scenes I've seen on TV because she's like oh my godding every five seconds she says that she like squirted all over the room and yeah she got super graphic he's got like a 30 inch penis or something like honestly like that scene reminded me of like the early seasons of real world oh it's like oh yeah the towel over the camera all this shit and it's like we're going to get as close to the action as possible like I don't like crimey like late 90s early 2000s like softcore porn yeah it's like I guess the charm of everything like I liked Corey. I didn't really mind Jess originally. I still like Rachel. The charm

of like the new people coming in and the parties and everything has kind of worn off. And maybe it was just this episode. So maybe moving forward, it'll be a little bit better. But I'm just like, all right, I feel like I'm watching the same episode every week. It's kind of annoying. I do too. I do too. But I am excited for Lindsay to show up because then you'll have Lindsay

and Jess right next to each other and people will be like, oh, twins. And then it'll piss both of them off and then they'll probably get into a fight. Well, the bombshell that is going to get dropped, Austin before they get there, is that at Amanda and Kyle's wedding, Lindsay was, like, putting her hand on his dick. Like, how are you going to drop that right before she gets there with Carl?

Like, dude, just bite your tongue. Like, don't, that's, it's just a bad. Unless he's just been holding on to it for a long time. But why? I don't know. I mean, I think that he knows who he's talking to because Amanda and Page aren't really Lindsay friends. If you think about it, like in the past seasons of Summerhouse,

they've been at each other's necks a lot. So he's talking to the right audience. You give page that sort of information, though. She's going to tell everybody that she can. Like, we've seen it before. I know. She's going to whisper to everyone and then it's going to get back to Carl and we'll see how that goes. But leave Carl alone.

He hasn't started any shit since he's gotten sober. Like, my man is pretty on the up and up. Like, leave him out of it. He's coming to the house with his new girlfriend, now fiancee. Like, things are looking up for my guy. Don't fucking throw a curveball in there because Austin wants to stir up some shit because he's frustrated that the Sierra thing's not going the way that he wanted to. to whatever the way that is.

Oh, is that how you think it's going there? I don't know, dude. There's something. There's so much more there. I think that Austin's just been sitting with this for a while and he's like, he doesn't know what to do and he just has to tell somebody. And he's so nervous. But he's probably so nervous.

Maybe he did. But he's probably so nervous with Lindsay walking in. I mean, we see that. And now we're talking about scenes from next week instead of the actual show because this episode was so boring. But you see him and he's like, I'm not going to be the first one on the welcome wagon. Like, all right, he really is like nervous to see Lindsay. He doesn't want to be there.

I get it. Maybe she lied to Carl and, We're going to get a whole thing. I just hope it's a little more exciting because I've just kind of gone through the same episode over and over. I'm like, all right, I'm kind of over this right now. No, that's fair. But I think that's why it was five episodes last year because it was the same shit. But I think, like you said, Lindsay's going to add a new dynamic.

The one thing, getting back to, like, Corey, what I was getting to, I think that Jess is going to be all over him. And I think that now that the hookup has happened, I don't, at some point, I think he's going to be like, ah, like, he says it in the scenes from next week. I've never lived with the girl that I've known for a week and, like, hooked up with. I'm like, now I kind of am. And I can, I don't think it's going to sit well. I don't think he's going to do well with it. I think it's going to cause some shit. He's going to start flirting with somebody else.

Jess is going to get pissed. That I will definitely sit down a lot. Who is Jeff? I can't remember. Whose friend is she? Jason? She's Jason's Instagram. Oh, right.

And by the way, and then we can move on and get into Salt Lake. Jason, I want to shake him. I love him. I think he's a great guy. Like, he's a fellow chef. Like he throws down in the kitchen, even though the chicken palm didn't look great, but it's okay, I bet it tasted good. It's got to be hard to cook dinner after drinking all day and like a seven-day bender.

I'll give him benefit of the doubt because the other stuff he's made looks great. Dude, make a move. Like, please, I can't sit by and watch anymore as he like tiptoes around Rachel who is just waiting for him to make a move. And it's not even like he needs to be like overly aggressive or anything. Like it's a sweet relationship. We're watching like an actual relationship. It's like start to blossom. but if you don't pull the trigger

at some point you're going to get friends owned rightfully so she needs to know yes or no in her out like she's got to make moves I don't want her to get let on because I like Rachel

I think it's kind of sweet I like it I hate you no but it's it's juxtaposed to the Corey Jess thing like I don't want to see that like that kind of grosses me out I agree actually

I'm not this isn't why I'm watching this so this over here it's like a blossoming friendship relationship where she even said she's like honestly I thought like I wanted him to be more aggressive

and he's just been so sweet to me that like nobody's ever done that before in my life. And I usually root for Jason because he's had issues in the past. I know you do. I know. I'm not accusing you. It's okay. Okay. I'll settle down.

But no, I mean, I root for him and I really want this to work out for him. And I hope it is still going on, but who knows. And I like Rachel a lot. I feel like she came into the house with the right attitude. She didn't know anybody just like Jess didn't know anybody. She's not making it a big thing. She's just enjoying her time or not enjoying her time. And that's fine.

You're whatever you want to do. I root for it. I hope that it works out. And I don't really mind watching it. That's sweet. What a sweet sentiment. Hey, I'm in a good mood tonight.

But that takes us back to Salt Lake. This was also somewhat of an uneventful episode. I think the scenes from next week look like it's about to get kind of lit. So I'm excited. And I love Salt Lake. So I will ride it out no matter what. It wasn't a bad episode. Just kind of slow.

But. I guess we can start off with Heather's choir practice. Well, she signs everybody up to the choir, and I thought it was interesting. I'm like, look, for all intents and purposes, Whitney's not having a bad showing. She's doing okay. And I think it's interesting because the Whitney that we've seen in the past was very much a people pleaser. She was very agreeable. Like she just wanted to kind of go with the flow.

She would rock the boat sometimes because she put her foot in her mouth. She would kind of just sit in the background until it blew over and like would just kind of nod her head and go along. She is actually putting her money where her mouth is. Like, she's standing up for herself. She's not being overly aggressive with these conversations at all. She's just giving her stance. We see when Heather starts to call people to invite them to the choir, hey, you made it.

She calls Whitney, and Whitney's first reactions, like, the last time I saw you, you were physically kind of pushing me towards your door. Let me make sure I phrased that correctly. She wasn't shoving her. It wasn't an aggressive push. She was just kind of guiding her out of her own house, slammed her door shut and, like, told Whitney to get the fuck out pretty much. We see a quick cutscene later, and Heather's like, oh, I totally forgot that even happened,

which we also see with Lisa. So now we're starting to hear the I don't remember thing. You know that grinds my gears. It doesn't sit well because I know you remember. And with Heather, we've seen it over and over. I think every single episode, she's had an I don't remember moment. Heather is slowly moving down my chart here. She is losing me, and it sucks because she's fun.

Heather's fun, but Heather's being an asshole. yeah she really is and she has after episode one when i said that she was my favorite right away i think that what's going on with her now is she's so used to i guess not being the villain if you will or the person that people are at odds with she's usually the one that kind of brings everybody together and overlooks things and says whatever who cares about what's going on let's go do this and now people are calling her out on her shit yeah and she's not used to that so she's just happy go lucky the next day doesn't remember that it happened oh i completely forgot about that why don't we do this. The whole choir thing we talked about it last week, she's just adding more to her

plate and adding more to her plate. And when she's talking to Lisa at the choir practice, she's like, this is so important to me. Why? Like, what are you doing? Shouldn't the book be important to you? Like, that pissed me off. Here's what I think. Okay. I think with everything going on, I think that you were right last week. When you said that this is all focused around the book, like either trying to avoid the book or not wanting to dive in fully to the book. Like, the book is the root of the issue, all right? Because she has lost faith in the Mormon church, all right, she seems to have lost that guiding light in her life, whatever that may have been, whether she was fully invested in the church or not, she seems to be searching for that. So I think that

the choir was her way to reconnect with the church, to kind of give her that support to get through all of this shit. I think she recognizes that she has so much on her plate. She got a new place opening up that's way behind schedule. She has missed every single deadline on her book. Shit's kind of getting unmanageable. And when she gets unmanageable, you look for some kind of guiding floor, some guiding light. I think that the choir for her is God. I think that's her way to like, okay, here is my spiritual awakening to where I can kind of have some guidance to get through this shit. But it's just interesting because you fill that choir with people that you're at odds with. Yeah, and I think you're right. And she, I mean, she has the conversation with Lisa,

and I do like the way that Lisa handles the conversation. She's just, she's not trying to talk over her. she's just trying to have the conversation with her. Heather doesn't, I would imagine that she probably doesn't remember that she used her dad's obituary and Lisa texting her during that whole thing as a talking point on the reunion. She was pretty butt-heard about it. Lisa's just trying to prove her innocence, if you will, because after that reunion, everybody came after Lisa and was like, what the fuck?

Like, you're a terrible person. Why would you do this? And Lisa's just trying to clear her own name. And Heather's still looking at it as she looked before. and she's like, we didn't even have to talk about this. You're, you called me a liar. Like, yeah, what do you want Lisa to do? You put her in this position that people are coming after her.

And I get it. Like, she is probably on like three or four different burners and like covering her own ass and defending herself all the time, whatever. But Heather physically put her in this position because of the reunion. Heather probably doesn't remember that. So Lisa is just trying to defend herself and that's fine. And at the end of it, she just asked her plainly because she asked her last week. Who doesn't like Lisa Barlow? Raise your hand.

Heather raised her hand. She asked her right to her face. You called me into the choir practice. Like, Lisa's by no means a star singer. So, hold on. We have to talk about that because they showed a clip of her singing last week. And again, the judges were enamored. They're like, you were one of the best.

When Heather calls her, she says you were one of the best singers there. Is this one of those things? I've noticed that when you're live and hearing people sing, sometimes it sounds better than when you hear it like over a TV or like, on the radio like I'm just saying you might is she a star maybe she has a star maybe she deserves a Grammy who knows but she calls her back into this despite what's going on so clearly all right fine the choir is more important to you than fixing the friendship whatever there's an opportunity to just be like look yes I do like you clearly we've got to get over it but she stands her ground

and more and then she invites Whitney in to talk about it and Whitney this is where I do actually like Whitney because yes she's speaking her mind yes she's actually sticking up for herself but she didn't put herself in that conversation as I imagine that she would like usually she'd look over see Heather and Lisa talking be like oh I'm gonna go interject myself over there she stayed out of it and then when she was called over she's like oh lord I guess I got to go do this goes over stands up for herself stands up for herself didn't go the way yeah handle it Heather's got got two people that are logically speaking calling her on her shit and she's like I just I can't I got to go and she just walks away once again

Can't do that. The funniest part of that whole scene is Lisa is like, I need to talk to you. They're warming up in the back like, ah. Oh, yeah. It's just, they're like quietly arguing back and forth. It is like a, that's like a prime housewife. That was so good. I love that scene.

Throw these people in the middle of public and then watch everybody's reaction. During a choir practice with the choir director and the handlebar mustache man are two of my favorite people on Bravo right now. That duo is hysterical. I love those guys. But I had a thought during that that maybe. it didn't happen during the humming and they just edited. That's what I thought too. I thought that. I think I wrote

it down. Yeah, I wrote right here produced in parentheses. Because I was looking over Heather's shoulder and I didn't see people standing over there and then when they would pan around it looked like she was a lot closer to everyone else, but you couldn't see Lisa and Heather talking. So I'm like did they do this? But I'm going to believe that they did this right during

the humming scene. Yeah, I just regardless. Yeah, it's funnier that way. And I agree. Whether it happened or not, we're under the impression it did and you can't change our minds. But to watch Whitney logically break this down to Heather. This is why I'm upset. I stood up for Lisa only to say, like, this is how she's feeling. This is what she's trying to tell you. And with Lisa saying it, look, what Lisa did, is it in bad taste? For sure. It wasn't great to throw that shit out there on the internet, but she felt

backed into her corner where she's like, look, everyone's calling me a liar, everyone's saying that I don't care about Heather or her father. Like, look, I did. I fucking texted her. I let her know that I was thinking about her and she keeps throwing me under the bus. You need to be mad at her for being. You need to be mad at her for being insensitive, you cannot be mad at her for not caring about you or your dad because she did. But Heather seems to talk

like Lisa didn't give a fuck and that's just not true. So like I feel for her on that one. Then it's a shame. But I think Heather needs to get out of her own way and listen to what these people are saying because things are not blowing over like they used to in the past

and she has to come to terms with that. But somebody says at some point like I've never heard Heather talk like this. This is out of character for her. So they're starting to recognize like something's going on with Heather and I think that maybe the group's going to rally around maybe and like try to get to the bottom of it whether it's a blow up argument or just a conversation or a punch

to the face or a punch to the face like we'll find out soon but it's starting to catch up so like you can only carry this shit around for so long before it blows up so we're about to see that but I will say this scene was a roller coaster for me and this was the husbands oh yeah okay so we get all of the dudes and they're all hanging out having barbecue like dudes do that's what we do we hang out have barbecue i love that what was the tagline the best bring the south to your mouth or something was that it i think so good because set came in and said something to the chef and he's like i saw that on the door and i just loved it that's great that's a great i didn't see that it's a great tagline but i love that jen like comes to the room and

coach shaw's like oh no no you need to leave yeah this is dudes only let's jump right to like the main part of this oh well we actually got a request on twitter i saw it yesterday uh Before I watch the episode, I totally can't wait to hear Brabros take on Seth and John's super awkward, manly confrontation from tonight. That's what I was going to say. Oh, yeah. If it came to blows, who do you think would win? Oh, I didn't see that part. I think John would smoke him.

J.B. Smoke, Seth. J.B. No, no, no. It's J.B. Husband boss. You get his name right. You know what I'm thinking of there was a wrestler called like J.T. Boss man. Oh, was it really?

Yes, I'm going J.B. Husband boss is a great wrestler name, I think. But I think J.B. Husband boss smokes Seth. But this conversation. was so forced that it's clearly produced. Like, the producers were definitely like, you guys need to hash this out on camera. Here's your shining moment. Here's your chance to, like, elevate yourselves

into being cool house husbands. They both sucked. This was the most awkward back and forth where they're both so afraid to, like, really ruffle feathers that they're just kind of like, yeah, no, no, no, I know. But like, she said this. And he's like, yeah, no, I know. But what would you do if your wife had said this about me?

I thought Seth made a good point there. It's not about the points being made. It seemed to me like both of them were like trying to be tough and like trying to stand up for themselves and their wives and just have no idea how to do it. Oh, I see. I took that a little differently. I took it that they're so afraid of their wives that they didn't want

because they know that this is on footage and they don't want it to come out later and be like, what the hell? Why did you stand up for me more? So obviously a stalemate would be better. I mean, they're still going to get shit for it. Let's be honest. When that aired last night, you know the two of them were in the doghouse because they didn't do enough.

They didn't say the right thing. At the bar with each other, not at home to make sure. They were boys before because Lisa and Meredith were tight. So the two of them were boys, and then they can't be friends anymore. And it's not even like one of those situations where you could see them like at coaches party. I almost said Jen Shaw's party because she made such a big entrance at coach's birthday party. When the two of them were like across the room at each other, they weren't looking at each other like, longingly being like, oh man, we got to be boys again. What are we supposed to do with our wives?

Like, no, they were just, They were just, exactly. They just stick so plainly, like, right behind their wives, not even next to their wives, behind their wives. That I think that both of them were so afraid that they were going to say something or be, like, jolly towards each other and then get shit for it later. So we get nowhere with it. It was absolutely, nothing got accomplished. I fully agree that they were both trying to protect their own ass and not agree with the other one or else their wives are going to crucify them. Like, that I agree with.

But this to me was like, like, if you program two AIs to. to fight one another in human form. That's what this was. It was two guys that were trying to tread lightly, get their point across, not roughly each other's feathers too much. But, like, one of them needs to say, yo, that was fucked up. Like, what's your wife said's fucked up. I don't want it to ruin our relationship.

I need you to take some accountability here because that's not cool. Like, if that happened, if this was reversed, I'd be fucking pissed. And they need to hash it out instead of, well, well, your wife said this. Well, well, what would you do if your wife said this? then they just stare it's like they don't know what to say to each other instead of being like let's figure this shit out let's get it out there let's move on from this we'll give each other up we'll high five we'll hug we'll go inside and crush some barbecue instead they stand there awkwardly it's like the most unmanly conversation ever they're how awkward do you think a high five

between the two of them would be oh my god it would be like it would be like dumb and dumber when they like get the vespita drive to the rest of the way and they're like totally whiff like that's what i would think and they get back in the house and coach is like are we good which, by the way, I love that he's the captain of the husbands. Oh, absolutely. He's like, we go, boys? They're like, they don't say anything. They just awkwardly sit there once again.

He's like, are we better than when we got here? And they're both like, oh, yeah. Oh, totally, yeah. Like, fuck you both. And then we get this super touching scene from coach. Coach needs his own talk show or something because this man. He's inspirational. My God.

Yeah. If he started a church, if he started a church, I would consider it. Like, he's just very rational. and puts all of his faith in a higher power. He's going through all this shit with his wife. He says, like, I'm not rattled. What next? I was like, damn, he just tough talk God.

He did. He's like, give me stronger battles. We don't really need to touch on Angie H too much. Like, she's just there. She is a nightmare. She's not fun for TV. I need her off the screen immediately. Both Harringtons can kick rocks.

But Jen, at the end of this says, like, if he just publicly apologizes, I'll move on. Like, what the fuck? How? This guy created a burner account under your name to talk shit about Lisa Barlow, who you're friends with. How is that all it takes? If somebody did this to me, I would be like, you're, we're not friends anymore.

This is one of those moments where it's tough to, like, I'm not rooting for Jen, but I'm like, all right, like, that's, that's pretty big of you to just kind of move past this. She's not, I guess Chris is not using. Shaw exposed to talk shit on Jen. He's using it to talk shit on Lisa. I think maybe she kind of, she also has coach in her corner, so he speaks logically. So that's all she has to do. And you're like, all right, like, just do that.

And Angie's like, oh, yeah, he will. Like, no, we fucking won't. There's no chance in hell that guy's going to do that. He might come to your house and say it in front of you and coach, but he's going to be so scared to say that in front of coach. I would love to see coach's reaction to Chris walking in the door, just like frown. Oh, Harrington would crumble. He would fall to his knees.

He would be sweating. His face would be so red. Because coach is a confident, assertive person. And he's not going to, like, he is slighted by you. So he's going to stand up for himself, his wife, his family, because that's who he is. Harrington is scum who creates burner accounts to talk shit about people like he's a 15-year-old. I still don't understand. Like his wife, this goes back to just sort of like Seth and John.

His wife doesn't even say like, yeah, it was a pretty shitty move for him to do that. Like, you can throw him under the bus a little bit. For sure. Unless she's complicit in this. Maybe she had him start it. Who the hell knows? She probably did. She stinks.

But the good thing is, and I do have good news about Harrington, the Harrington's. The mid-season trailer, not one scene with Angie Harrington. Oh, good. So she might be off the screen. The other hand she's much better anyway. Angie K I'm warming up to. And then we can drop the K. She can just be Angie.

She can be Angie. She can give her to Harrington altogether. Makes our lives a lot easier. I do like when Jen's doing everybody else, when they're, They're doing their confessionals, talk about the Angie's. They always say Angie K, Angie H. I hate it so much I talked about before. Jen at least says Angie Harrington, like full name.

That does make it easier for me. It makes it a lot easier. But get rid of her. I don't want to deal with it. Bring one Angie in. Just leave the other one out. This leads to one last conversation. It's going to like get a little bit deeper because we need to get to the bottom of this.

But Dana is talking shit about how Jen handled that whole thing at the choir tryouts, right? She's like, I don't like how she was bullied. and like this and that and I'm sitting here like what the fuck if anybody did that to me I would have done the same exact thing now this is where I questioned myself because I'm like but she is about to be a convicted felon that rob people of a lot of money all the time right so I spent the entire season doing this and we're going to talk about it right now okay okay we're going to talk about it now and we're going to put this on TikTok because I want to hear what other people have to say all right breaking the fourth wall breaking the fourth wall via

podcast. Let's get this out of the way immediately. Jen Shaw is a guilty person. She pled guilty. She's going to jail. We do not stand with her. She sucks. But she is a good housewife for TV. She's fucking funny. And she's like keeps it light. And I think that she's putting more of a focus on keeping it light. And this is what I was afraid of, giving her a platform to try to get in our good graces before we are like, oh, wait, she's going to jail next month. Like that's going to happen. eventually, right? So I think this is what I was scared of. We're giving her too much grace to kind of build her way back up because she's having a good season. How do you feel about it? I feel the same

way. I mean, I find myself rooting for her in situations because I hate Angie Harrington. I hate Chris Harrington. I hate that she, like, I love coach so much. It's a whole complex issue with me because I will root for her and then immediately stop. They're like, oh, right. I feel dirty. But, like, I loved it. Like, when she was in the pool talking about San Diego, and obviously she can't leave the country, she was excited to go to San Diego because I don't want this to be a healing trip, making fun of Whitney's healing trip. I know. I don't want this to be a platform for everybody just kind of like air their agreements is. I just want to go somewhere and have some fun, which makes sense because she's going to jail.

She won't have some fun before she does it. Like, I like that and I enjoy seeing that. And I like that when Dana gets on the screen when they FaceTime Meredith, Meredith goes over to Dan. Like, look who I'm with. clearly has no idea what's going on. I know. That was really funny. And Dana, you know what?

Give her a little bit of credit. She stands firm in what she said. She said, I just don't like the way that you talk to people. She either has no idea what's going on or has no idea what Angie Harrington said or has done with her and her husband. But to sit there and be like, I just don't like the way that you talk to people. Jen is obviously going to pop off on you. Like, just take it and be like, oh, yeah, okay, whatever. Don't talk shit to Angie Kay because you know Angie Kay.

is going to go tell Jen, she spends the most time with Jen at this point. It's just stupid. It's a bad move. And I hate that I root for Jen because we know what happens to her. Yes. And this is where it's hard. And like, again, not on her team. Let's get that clear.

It's just I have this ongoing battle internally. It's a dilemma. It's crazy that a fucking housewife show can bring us to the point where we're questioning our own moral compass. Well, I think it's honestly, it's because the rest of the people, the rest of the cast members have had. had a lot of issues this season where I'm like, ah, God, like, stop doing that. Don't do that.

Don't talk to her like that. Whatever. Stop fighting about this dumb shit. And then Jen's over there, having a good season. So it makes her so much better. And then you're like, fuck, I can't root for her. Because she's gross and she fucking robbed a lot of people out of money. Did you see that footage was released about her, like, arguing with her whole family?

Yeah. Yeah. She was like outside of a restaurant or something, like screaming at all of them. Like, tough look. It's a tough look. And she's not a cool. We have to keep reminding ourselves. You know what might work if we just convince ourselves that she's doing this whole housewife show and she's playing a character and that's not actually who she is.

And behind closed doors, she's a piece of shit. No, she is a piece of shit. I know, but like aside from like scamming old people out of money, she's also just a piece of shit. Oh, just brushed out to the son. Oh, I see what you're doing. Let's just say like she's an asshole all over the place. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Maybe it'll make it a little easier to watch these.

All right. I mean, I'll try it. Whatever I can do to make myself feel better about. myself because I feel gross. And last but not least, my favorite, we're back in Potomac with my favorite cast. How do you feel about it? I still like it. I'm still on board. You're still on board. You're not like, are you like? I'm not like in love with it. Okay. I think that certain, I mean, the Mia thing kind of threw

me off. And I, let's just start off with this. Oh, yeah. We need to, we need to address something. We addressed, we addressed Mia talking about how she stole her husband from his ex, wife, however you want to put it, and pretty much, like, glorified it. That's terrible behavior. There were so many people standing up for her. It was unbelievable. I couldn't believe it when I read through Twitter and how many people were like, oh, like, get off her back. Like, he shouldn't have been stepping out. First and foremost, we're not defending her husband. No, but he's not a housewife on the show. He's not bragging about it. But like, yeah, obviously he shouldn't have stepped out on his wife. No shit. I thought that went without saying. I didn't

know we had to say that. I guess it does. We dragged her because she's on TV mocking his ex-wife saying like, oh, she wasn't good enough. I stole your man. That is gross. Like, that's what we were talking about. And the fact that people could like twist our words to say like, oh, get off of her back. Like she's just doing her. Go after Daddy G. We didn't think we had to. I thought that was like implied. No. And this is one of the cool parts about like actually have a, having a following and like loyal fan base is once somebody tweets something like that

or comments something like that a lot of our fans will just go after that person and be like what do they get off it like what the hell are you talking about leave them alone you know what they were saying don't twist their words

like we're so many different comments of you know our loyal listeners and we love that or just people that have fucking brains yeah that's all you know they could just be that

yeah let's logically look at this for a second anybody who commented on our TikTok Instagram Twitter whatever and had something to say about us either not saying something about Daddy G

or defending Mia for some fucking reason go somewhere else. But we're back like at the burn sesh, they're wrapping things up at the vineyard and this is where we get the full play out of like, well, Michael Darby's sucking dick and we learn who this guy allegedly is. So this man, I guess, is a high-end escort.

We're not going to ask why Candace knows who high-end escort is. No, there's nothing to do with it. But that means that he's going to this man's house. paying him money to perform moral sex on him. There are so many things when you're married to somebody else. It doesn't have to do with the fact that it's a dude. It has nothing to do with that. The fact that you're stepping out on your wife with anybody and paying to do so is a big red

flag. Yeah. And the fact, here's what I like about Candace and especially this season. If you're going to come with these kinds of allegations, if you're going to throw shit like this out there, like they're still, still trying to drag Chris and they're throwing out random shit at this point, well, he DM somebody else. else. And then Giselle gets in the van and she's like, well, he was groping that girl at the bar and he was talking to her all flirty. Like, what the fuck? Are we just going to now say whatever the

fuck we want to say to push this narrative further? Not to mention, Giselle is standing by the fact even though she said, let's go back to my room. She said those words earlier in the season because she thought her glam team was there. Now her story's changed. Chris invited me to go back to my room. Chris wanted to go talk in my room. It just, it's all so convoluted. It's making no sense. And then you have Ashley backing up the whole thing with zero evidence. If you're going to say this shit, bring names. Candice brought a name. She's been holding on to this, Robin says, for years.

What's credit to her. She could have dragged her a long time ago. She saved it. At this point, you need to use this as ammo because they won't leave Chris the fuck alone. And she brings a name, boom, says it and stops. She says it and lets it sink in and moves on from it and just says Ashley's like vile, Whatever. Ashley keeps trying to throw shit against the wall. And it's really, really annoying. She's having a horrible season. She makes no sense. Her arguments are invalid. Giselle tries to back it up. She has no evidence either. It's all just like that whole thing's such a mess that I can't even keep track of like what's actually true. No, you're right. It is really tough to keep track of everything that's going on and all the allegations. But if Giselle could just, you know, be a normal human being and just tell Candace, hey, it just made me feel uncomfortable. That's all. That's it. You know, what?

whatever. I'm entitled to my opinion. I'm entitled to my feelings. And that's fair. I didn't want to be in a room with a married man. So I just wanted to let you know that that happened. But whatever. Like it doesn't affect me still. Just leave it at that. We're good. Like, Candace would probably even be like, all right, whatever. Like, not a big deal as long as you're not going to try to make this a storyline, which it looks like they're still try to do. Ashley, on the other hand, to be invited to someone's home and then the very next day disrespect them like that is so fucked. I mean, she's just like, we talk. about her and Luke and whatever, I don't care for Ashley. Maybe she's been through so much

with Michael and apparently her dad or whatever that she is a little fucked up and her judgment is a little all over the place. Fine. But don't throw other people's spouses under the bus just because you want to try to make yourself feel better or you want to make your relationship look a little bit better. I'm not the only one that has issues with their spouse. Like, yeah, you are. And she makes it really clear that it's vindictive behavior and that's what's behind this because she goes the pendulum swings the other way. Not really. Chris Bassett's not out there sucking some dude's dick on the side and not telling anybody about it. He's not out there getting caught in hotel rooms with other women when they're taking pictures of his ass and

underwear. You're claiming that he checked this girl out at the bar. We have camera footage that he's not doing that. You claim that he was flirting and groping some chick at the bar. There's camera footage of him not doing it. Not even being near her. No. So like it's not even close to the same thing. But I think- Well, wait, did you see what Mia said on Watch What Happens Live? No. She said that she felt that Chris was looking at her because she looked unwell. What? So she is leaning.

Dude, she is leading. Don't get me started on M-I-A. Like, I cannot. She is leaning on the fact that, you know, she was feeling under the weather. She was sick. Maybe with the whole biopsy thing that was going on there, the other storyline that didn't really make any sense. She's saying that he was looking at her and she felt like he was looking at her because she didn't look that good. She doesn't even make any sense.

He didn't even look at her. I'm well aware. Like that at least is more in line with what I think me as character is. I think she was just like so self-absorbed that she felt like she didn't look that great that day. So everybody was looking at her because she didn't look that good. That's a good call. Just enough. Like whatever.

Just fucking move on. Well, she fucking drags every single person on the show. She has no loyalty whatsoever. Cherise, who I thought she was like ride or die for, she goes in confessional and says, I love her. don't give a fuck attitude, which in the beginning, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's cool. Like, she doesn't give a fuck about what anybody thinks. That, that is a good trait to have.

Then she goes, her eyelashes are always drooping to the side and, like, all this, like, falling off of her face. Like, mean shit. I'm like, I thought you were, like, on her team. That's fucking mean. That's a mean thing to say about somebody. Like, she has no loyalties. I don't even think she knows episode to episode where she stands or, like, what her goals are. I think she forgets and, like, goes after somebody new.

I really think that she read like a book, like how to be a housewife for dummies. And that's what she's doing. She's just like spitting this shit out, trying to be iconic, trying to be like a mainstay, and just missing every single time. And I am tired of it. Stay in Miami. Don't come back. It's not even South Beach.

That's the best part. They're on the bay. And I love that they had the arrow point to South Beach, like across the bay. Yeah. No, Bravo production has just been off the charts. They've had a good showing. They've done a great job. and they're making the stupid people look stupider,

and they're making the smart people look a lot smarter. Before we get fully into Miami, though, I did want to talk about just because it made me laugh. When Giselle, Ashley, and Robin are all in that store together, and they're talking about the allegations against Michael, and they go, well, he looked like Juan Dixon because we get the, and again, like, I wish you'd seen previous season, so you knew all of the creepy shit that Michael has done,

that Michael has said. Michael was accused of grabbing a cameraman's ass during filming, and the cameraman was like, don't do that. I guess he was walking by, and this was the weird part to me. He was allegedly talking to Ashley when he said this, and he said to her walking by Robin, I would suck Juan Dixon's thick. That's what he said to his spouse.

So then it creates this whole different scenario where I'm like, what does she know, what was going on in their relationship? Like, is all of this common knowledge between the two of them, but she plays dumb for his sake? If you look at it like when Candace brings that up, Ashley doesn't really seem phased by it She's not like blown away by anything

She dropped, Candace dropped a name And she didn't even bad at eye That should be earth shattering So I think she knows And she probably knew about that She probably knows what Michael likes and what he does And maybe that's like part of what was going on Behind closed doors with them

We always just said Oh yeah, they're swingers You know they invite people into the relationship Whatever Ashley probably knows a lot more than we even knew Because I mean we were watching the show But behind those closed doors Whatever happened

clearly Ashley's not phased by any of these allegations that are going on. So she's not surprised by that. She probably remembers what he said that he would suck Juan Dixon's dick. I don't know. You don't forget something like that. You don't forget somebody saying that. Yeah, I just don't know really what to think about Ashley and Michael, and it's just brutal. I'm glad you brought it up like that because a lot of people are saying,

Danny Pellegrino said it on his podcast, Deves been saying it since the first episode this season. Is Ashley playing dumb all across the board? Does she know way more than we're getting? giving your credit for like we see a scene with her and her attorney and they're talking about the LLC the LLC has not been founded yet by the way that was a lie yeah caught in a lie there she's talking to an attorney now who's like yeah that would be a really bad idea to sign a house with them like probably not the best call she still is able to kind of like reword what she's

saying in her own head to make no it's fine like everybody and their dog has told me to not do this but like i think it'll be okay is she dragging this out is this all intentional to get as much out of Michael Darby as she possibly can't. Like, is she playing the game in a way that we're not accustomed to where we think that she's just like a mess and everything's crazy and she has no direction? And she's actually cool, calm, and collected in her own head and just playing the game really well. No, I don't think so.

Just a hard know. I just don't think that, like, she doesn't strike me as somebody that that, that is that intelligent to go through this and have a full strategy in place. she strikes me for kind of what we see on screen where people will tell her okay that's not a good idea that's not a good idea and then she'll go to a lawyer and by the way I don't think she's like hiring this lawyer to do anything I think she just wanted to tell people hey I talked to a lawyer yeah like yeah she wanted to tell her family she wanted to tell her friends yeah I talked to a lawyer it didn't seem she was on retainer no I think she just wanted to appease them because so many people have told her to

go talk to a lawyer and then the lawyer tells her what everybody else is telling her and she goes that sounds so much like everybody's been telling me but like coming from you it makes so much more sense and reading google doesn't really compare to talking to the actual thing like yeah fucking duh it's a lawyer that's there in person that's hearing your story you can't type that into google and get a real answer so no and i love that the attorney responds with i didn't get my degree on google yeah that was great that was hysterical like don't disrespect me in my office and like throw google out there because you're a google attorney but she's not going to do anything i think that, if anything, she probably won't even tell Michael that she talked to a lawyer.

She'll probably just let it go. And her plan is, if I feel like he's bamboozling me with the money that he's going to offer me and the assets he's going to offer me, then I'll get the lawyer. But is that playing the game? Is it going to be she gets an offer? And she's like, no, you had your chance. Now I'm taking you down. I don't think so.

I just can't see it. I mean, it's going to play out one way or another. And nothing really pops off in Miami yet. We get scenes from next week where a lot's about to happen. the things I do want to touch on just real quick, I don't like Cherise. I don't care for Sherees. I thought that the whole

she was like not cool at the house like she's, look, I get it. At a certain point in your life, especially if you are accustomed to a certain lifestyle, you don't want to stay with other people in the same room, you want to your own bathroom, whatever. I get that to a certain extent. But if somebody

even Mia brings you on a trip, rents a house, you have your own room, like just bite the bullet and stay there instead she's like i'm foregoing dinner i'm doing this i'm doing that it's just so selfish and like i don't it makes a lot of sense as to why she's not really on the show that much yeah she doesn't do much and it just seems like she's over everybody she doesn't really give a shit about what's going on she's already like taking herself out of dinner which appears to be an electric dinner next week i just i'm i'm good i'm good without her i don't need her on the show yeah like i don't usually

take that stance i usually give most people i do just want to see some sort of resolution to her and Karen. I mean, we do get that one scene where Karen says, hi-door, and then she turns around and you say, Cherise's face like, ugh, jeez. But, I mean, if you think about it, like, Karen really does have the worst room in the house. She's down where everybody's going to be in the living room. She doesn't

have a bathroom in there. She's got a sliding glass door, a sliding screen door, if you will, into her room. Charisse does have a pretty good room. She just doesn't want to share the bathroom. That's, like, what her straw is, whatever. Go, if you don't want to be there, then we don't really want to see you on the screen if you don't want to engage. That's what I'm saying. Then

go to your hotel room pop in and out you can be a friend up right just get off it doesn't seem like you're a friend of anybody but you can be a friend of sure go for it now i do disagree with it's just me i mean i get it like her whole persona is just like i'm so luxurious all the time and five star everything first class all the way baby and then she gets like a five bedroom house she gets a five bedroom house for nine people in miami like and look i get it like you're you're also sharing a room so you're going to be like, all right, well, like, I'm sharing a room so it's not that big of a deal. The room you're sharing has a huge king-sized bed with its own bathroom, its own, like, tub, and then you get the view of everything else. You're going to stick Robin and Giselle over here because

in the past they've had a good time sleeping together in the same room. Okay, no grown person ever wants to share a room with somebody on a trip. Except for the Tom's. Yeah. You couldn't, look, if you got a five, six bedroom house and you want to have somebody like stay in the same room together at least put it in south beach don't put it on the other side of the fucking harbor and make them have to take a 30 35 minute uber over to south beach to go to dinner like they're legit in like a residential neighborhood where she says like somebody's grandmother's across the street like no legit like they're in like my neighborhood like in just a bigger house she just looked for the cheapest option it's just i hate when people are like oh yeah absolutely first class all

the way and then they go for like the cheaper option yeah no if you're going first class all the way I need, and this is part of the allure of housewife shows. Like, I want big, fancy, glamorous on South Beach. Separate villas and, like, whatever. They even said in the car, like, do we get, like, smaller houses? Like, they're used to that. So, like, do that. And I just thought to, like, finish it off.

For her to stick Wendy and Candace in the same room, like, it's not fun. Like, that's, you know what you're doing. It's not like a- No, Candace is going to show up and be like I'm getting a hotel room. 100%. Like, this is not. it's not sneaky it's not like a cool funny move to like stir the pot it's just fucking annoying it's just really annoying and like i'm sure we'll get something there it looks like

wendy and mea come to blows almost next week so like that'll be exciting to watch but but like why do we think that's going to happen like is mea so connected to peter that she feels like she needs to go after wendy for that like i don't really get it i mean i guess we'll find out And it seems like it's going to be entertaining. I mean, overall, it's been, like I said, I've been really enjoying this season. I think that if we get a big climax next week, they paste themselves well. We've had some slower episodes when they were appropriate. Like they're ramping it up at the right time.

And it's drama that I didn't really expect. I didn't expect to see Wendy and Mia come to blows. And I'm assuming it's over this restaurant because Peter says he has beef with her. So I'm guessing that after Eddie said you have too much on your plate, I'm assuming she pulled out. Which is fine. It's totally fine. I didn't think it was a good business deal to begin with.

I didn't either. I thought that it was a much better choice to be like, okay, you've got 50 different things going on. You're a doctor. You're a professor. And she went to go get her hair looked at and her hair was falling out. Yeah, because she's so stressed she's got. So like take a play off.

Like you're doing a lot. It is super impressive. Like 100%, but you've got enough. You know what I mean? Like maybe in the future, this is something to do like as you're slowing down and you want a new endeavor. But don't just throw it out there. And this is coming from a person that's,

like very opportunistic as well when it comes to like business opportunities and like when people say like hey do you want to do this i'm like yeah let's do it without really thinking like oh i already am doing 50 other things so now one thing i did actually see Colleen pointed out to me was when eddie and her were talking Eddie said this would put a lot of financial stress on you yeah yeah yeah yeah they're like separate money like what's going on like i would imagine right yeah but look if if she is like super successful and she is like making a ton of money i would assume that they both have accounts where if they want to do like their own investments like if she wanted to invest in a restaurant or if he wanted to invest in a company like I don't think

that that's crazy yeah it was just I was like oh whoa what's going on there but I think it's also making a statement saying like look if you're doing this like I don't agree with it I'm not supporting this because you have too much for your plate yeah like you're going to take this risk it's on you and I think that's totally fair because it reflects on their home life it reflects on their marriage reflects on like being there for their kids like there's a lot more that goes into it other than like she did pull out if she did pull out of it after getting advice from her husband then that's a good relationship that's a great relationship and it's also like you know understanding that yeah maybe you don't need to do a restaurant on top of all this other ship

that takes us to the questions and we've got a bunch so we're going to comb through them we'll do what we can but up first from Cynthia Hatami what are your thoughts on Joe this is so appropriate I'd even read it yet what are your thoughts on jensha not being a part of the show after this season she is the show we've discussed it okay but it is i'm glad that they brought it up because other people noticed too what are your thoughts it's it's gonna be tough because it looks like what they're doing right now i mean much like heather's having tryouts for her choir they're having tryouts for housewives in this show angie k is good but she i don't know if she's going to be able to carry

anything on her own angi h sucks so i don't know what they're going to do like this This show might be borderline unwatchable without Jen. And that's funny to say because she's going to prison. She's going to prison. We do not stand by Jen the person. No. Jen is entertaining on this season of Salt Lake, but we understand she is going to be a convicted felon that robbed a lot of money from people.

So we're okay with her being off the show. From a show success standpoint, will it be as good without her? I don't know. I don't think so. Unfortunately. From Pay Hodges, number one stand housewives of both. of you. We haven't addressed this one in a while. We've gotten this a bunch of times. Where do you stand now? Who's your number one? Oh, I thought she was asking, like, who we stand by no matter

what? I think she's saying, like, who's your number one? Who's your top housewife? I don't know, because this changes a lot. It does shift. Because we have shifting loyalties. When we see shitty things, we tend to not be on that person's side anymore. I think, I mean, I find myself supporting Garcel the most, so I'm going to say Garcel for now. But, I mean, to address what But I think the question would be, we don't really stand anybody. Like, we will, we talk about this all the time. We'll just watch and see what happens. And then we change our allegiances.

It's not even really allegiances. We just say what happens in that moment and who we think is right. I don't even think I need to say anything. I fully agree. Like, we shift only because we're presented with new info and then we comment on it. All right. Well, power ranking, though. Who's your number one now?

Power ranking, Karen. Okay. Yeah, Karen, just because she's always a joy to watch. but we're taking a quick break real quick. This popped up on my phone as I was looking for questions. Jen Shaw's sentencing is December 15th, so we will know for sure her fate in a few weeks. Let's go.

Let's go. I'm excited. No, no, I mean like, let's go. Oh, you want to go to the sentencing? Yeah. You paying for my ticket to Salt Lake? Oh, it's in Salt Lake? I thought it was in New York.

Oh, my God. Can we go? Is it open to the public? Let's go bring big signs. You want, what's your sign? That's a good question. What would your sign say? uh jen shaw the character is greater than jen shaw the person you're going to write all of that that's not a really catching sign well it wouldn't be is greater that it would be the sign oh math yeah we do math a lot on here what would be your sign my sign would be

jen shot her pants all right jen shot her pants we should see if that instagram's available we should make a jen shot her pants yeah that would be kind of funny I don't know, though. I don't want to get in the ranks of Harringtons. No, but we'll support Jen. No. That would be the fun thing. That's not fun. It's the burner.

Ew. I don't like this version of you. Let's go back to not liking Jen Shaw. No, I just meant like it would be funny if it was like Jen Shaw. Yeah, Jen Shaw exposed, but every one of our tweets or comments is supporting Jen Shaw. Yeah. I don't think we're going to get a lot of support for this. No, probably not.

This is a trolling moment, by the way. We're not actually standing by Jen Shaw. From the scene, Lily, do you feel like Potomac? is more scripted than the other shows. No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. I haven't gotten that vibe. I think that there's definitely some produced moments,

but I think, honestly, it's more candid than the other ones. I think people feel that way now because we actually saw Candace Break the Fourth Wall. Yeah, that's fair. But I feel like at any moment, any housewife could go to a producer and be like, we're not doing that this year. No, for sure. And you would have the same reaction.

Yeah, no, I agree with that. And I think that just because Giselle is pushing us, storyline so hard and Ashley's trying to support it. I don't know if that's a producer thing. Like, hey, this is what we're doing this year. And it could be. But I think that it's more they're trying to push a storyline to be more relevant and they're falling short. I don't necessarily think that that is production saying, hey, we're going with Chris Bassett this season. But that break of the fourth wall does call that into question a little bit because that's what it was about. I don't know. My reaction was that this probably happens in every show. But that's all

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