Bros & Shows - Mini Golf, Banh Mi and Bullies (RHONY Full Recap, Southern Charm Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Whats up Bros?! It is still Red October in Philly and the Bro's are working overtime. Between Phillies baseball, Eagles football and Bravo, our schedules are packed and we wouldn't have it any other way. This episode, we cover RHONY and Sai's getting real old real quick. Her and Erin team up against Jessel and we simply cannot seem to move past the fact that Pavit is flying to Vietnam. The group goes mini golfing together at Swingers (interesting name considering Abe and Erins potential future) and once again Sai and Erin force the issue of Vietnam and Jessel's sex life in front of the whole group. Sai has had a tough season and her and Erin's treatment of Jessel is simply bullying at this point and its really not a good look nor is it fun to watch. Thank god for Jenna Lyons and her compassion for Jessel because she's able to understand that Jessel means well, she's just a little clunky in her delivery. But all in all Sai and Erin need to get a hobby and maybe instead of worrying about Pavit and Jessel, because they seem like the realest couple on the show, maybe worry about your own husbands who can't stop talking about sex. Not to mention a rumor has come out regarding Sai and her current husband and how they may have begun their relationship... Then off to Southern Charm and this episode centers around one thing, Taylor and Austen and what has or hasn't happened between them. It takes place largely at Taylor's day chaser event and after diving into the whole situation we have come up with this. This is not a Shep vs Taylor issue, this is a Shep vs Austen issue AND it is a Taylor vs Olivia issue. Both respective parties need to have these convos but we feel as though Shep and Taylor are done, Olivia and Austen are done, this is a breach of friendship conversation more so than a breach of relationship in our opinion due to the timing. The group is all on board that should Austen and Taylor hook up, or if they have previously then it is abhorrent behavior (totes agree) but will the truth ever come out? will we get the whole story? Will JT stop forcing the issue constantly because he has a massive crush on Taylor even though she will literally never give you a shot pal? Who knows! TIme Stamps: RHONY (10:10) Southern Charm (44:46) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, Joined as always by the one and only Scooter McDudor. What's up, dude?

Well, Steele, thank you for asking. I am tired. I'm exhausted. Me too. We are in the midst of a playoff run, eagle season, Bravo, guest appearances all over the fucking map. Yes, sir. Yeah, boy is tired. Well, that is Red October in a nutshell.

A lot of people don't know that Red October has a green aspect to it as well. That's the birds every Sunday. So look, being a full-time Philadelphia sports fan, a full-time Bravo, Bravo Night. A full-time Bravo night, having jobs on top of all of that? A lot going on. There's a lot of shit going on. It's so funny because, like, at the start of every week, which is, you know, Sunday night, Monday morning, whatever it might be, you try to map out your week. Oh, yeah, good luck.

It's a fucking nightmare. Yeah, good luck. Eagle Sunday afternoon, Monday night, Phillies, Tuesday filming guest spot, which, or, you try to map. plug we're going to be on the pink shade podcast Thursday. It's Mary Payne Gilbert. We had a absolute blast. Yeah. So if you don't follow her on Instagram, she's trying to get her Numbies up. Go ahead and follow Pink Shade Podcast. She was fantastic. It was so much

fun. Episode drops Thursday. Really excited for you guys to listen. Yeah, it's going to be a great time. And Steele and I will be at the game tonight. We are listening in the morning. Oh, yeah. Yep. So we will be at the Phillies game tonight. So please leave us the fuck alone. No, come on up. If you're watching on YouTube, I will be wearing these overalls. Shooters try not to, he don't want to give me credit.

I know that you weren't going to say anything, but I'll say it. If you're listening and not watching, I'm wearing Phillies overalls right now. I look fantastic. With no shirt on underneath, and he just told me he's going to wear this to the game tomorrow night, to which I said, please, I do not want to have a boner of the entire game. I guess I don't want to distract our hitters. Yeah, no. It would distract me, honestly.

I've got to be the one cheering out there. But yeah, so we've got that, and then Steele's going to Texas on Thursday. We're going to have to do a little bit of a remote podcast recording going on there for Friday's episode. And then Friday, you know what I'm doing? Sleeping. Fucking nothing. Yeah, that sounds like nothing. I'm going to go to work, go home, maybe do a little light shopping, and then I'm sleeping.

I think that sounds like a really nice day, a nice little Friday for yourself. Could be a nice Friday. I don't know if I'm going to have time to do everything I want to do, you know? Yeah, I don't know if there's enough time. Well, I'll be down in Texas with Pop. I'm super excited. We're going to have an awesome weekend. And I get to go, she's been doing cheerleading camp and she loves it.

And on Fridays, the whole camp, they go to an actual football game and she's actually going to be a cheerleader at the game. So I get to actually see her cheer at a football game on Friday. And I'm so excited to see that. I think it's going to be so cute. Are six-year-old football games? I guess it's pounders? Well, they have, like, pee-wee.

I don't know. I'm not sure if it's a pee-wee football game or if it's just a football game because it's It's a small Texas town. Yeah. So I would imagine they might just have a program. The whole town comes out much. Yeah. You're going to go cheer at the high school game.

Like here comes the whatever cheerleaders for like the first quarter. It's only the first quarter. Then she's done. Good. Short attention is. That helps. So point being, I'm really excited to go watch. Yeah.

That's going to be an absolute bless. That sounds like a nice little Friday for this. Yeah, I'm excited. Look at this. We've already looking forward. We've got a little busy week. We're already looking forward to our enjoyable Fridays. Yes.

Well, look, it's just, it's the best time to be a Philly sports fan, without a doubt, like, but I don't think that people understand the adrenaline come down. Like last night was soul crushing, and we were so stoked during the game in the last inning, don't want to talk about it. Let's just say we're soul crushed. And like the highs and lows of this time of year, it's exhausting. And on top of that, I'm too emotionally connected to Bravo TV shows. So I'm just, I'm a wreck. A hot little potato. I'm a hot little potato right now, and you know what?

I love it. I fucking love her in October. And that's the thing is I always look back to, and you get to the point where, you know, it's like March. The Super Bowl's over, football season's over. You're still months away. And, you know, the beginning of baseball season's exciting. But then you get into the dog days and it's like, all right, this is the only sport on. You look back and you say, I wish I could have done more in October.

Yeah, you know. That's what pushes me through because there are days where I just want to sit home and not, you know, go to the bar, not do this and that and whatever. and then I realize I'm going to be regretting it. You will. In a couple of months, I'm going to look back and say that was a really fun night, and I don't care that I was tired and or hung over the next day at work. Yeah, at least I don't have to do with hangovers. Sorry, work if you're listening to this.

Yeah, sorry, work. Too, too. Sorry, job. But let's get started. You already gave the plug for pink shade. Again, that's on Thursday. I'm going to do another plug. Plug it up.

November 19th at the bourbon room in L.A. It's a Friendsgiving. Zach Peter, there's going to be, like I like the word, I'm going to keep using a plethora of content creators. We have Bravo personalities coming out as well. It's going to be a really great time. It's not the same format as the shows that you've been to with us in the past if you've been to our shows. But if you're out in L.A., you haven't been to our show. So you don't know what to expect. Point is, unless you're a really great fan and you came to the East Coast and either New York or Philly. That would be really cool. But regardless, go get your tickets at

nofilterlive.com. Come hang out with us and Zach and a lot of other guests. It's going to be a great time. We're super excited to take the bros out to the West Coast. I'm throwing up the West Coast W right now on the YouTube. But yeah, go get your tickets for that. And that's the only plugs I have. That's it. That's a front plug. I don't like that implication at all. But let's start out with first and foremost. Do you have any current events for us today? No. No, I do not. I'm fine with that. No, I do not. There's too many other things going on. I have no current events. However, I did want to take a little spin on the rankings for Tuesday show, Wednesday show, whatever.

Instead of doing, because I feel like, you know, they change sometimes. Let's rank the Roney Housewives. Oh, okay. Because there's been a huge mix-up going on. Huge shake-up over the last couple of weeks. I was thinking about it. It is funny to look back in the beginning of the season at who, we had at the top versus the bottom and who we have now. Okay. Do you want me to go first?

I would like you to go first. My idea you go. My idea you go? My idea you go. That's the new segment. My idea you go. All right. I got, look, I stand by her.

Jenna, number one. Number two, Jessel. Okay. Number three. Oh. Uba and Bryn. They could both be three.

Okay. uh so i'll do i'll do uba three brin 3.5 for now and that could shift for aaron five sigh yeah i think that works is that you too no that's not where i am um i've got brin number one okay just because she has gotten through some i mean like some of the harder scenes she always comes out smiling and having a good time which is what you want in a show and she's starting to bring a little bit more substance which i appreciate i've got jenna at two because she seems to be the only fucking person on this show

that thinks logically which is just insane to say that there's five people here one person thinks logically that's insane three I have Jessel four I've got Uber

Uba Uba is not back from phone gate Oh she's not fully back She is still down from phone gate And then I've got I've got Aaron at five There have been times that I liked Aaron but just enough to put her above Sye and Sye, I've got her packing her bags

and not coming back next season. I think that I am done with Sye. A lot of people are voicing that same opinion. It's been interesting to watch since it's a first season of a show to watch the roller coaster that was Sai because she came on the scene a little hot but people liked it.

But then she never took her foot off the gas. You know how much you have to do to not get a second season back? And you're actively a participant in most of these things. She's in all of them. Which is what you want from a housewife. You want them involved in things, but...

Not that way. She is not doing it the right way, and she's rubbing people the wrong way, and I'm happy to see that most people feel this way. And they're not sitting there saying, well, she's entertaining. No, it's not entertaining. She's bullying people. And anytime you question anything that she does, she flips out. It's like, no, nobody needs to see that on TV.

So I've got her not even at number six. I've just got her not coming back. Interesting. I don't disagree with it. I think I'm going to keep her at six. I'm going to hold out hope because, look, Across the board, right, if you look at all of the housewives, I think that we've seen some take some pretty big 180s and turn it around.

So I'm not saying it's out of the cards because it's her first season. She's a rookie. All right. Rookie numbers are not indicative of your whole career. I just don't see her looking back this season watching these episodes and thinking, wow, I came on a little strong there. Oh, no. She has no self-awareness. I don't, I 100% agree, whereas we watch some.

of these seasons and we're like, oh, when she watches this back, she's going to hate how she looks. We even see some housewives speak out and say, yeah, I didn't love that. Yeah. Could have done better here. Even if she thinks that she could have done better, I genuinely think that size and make, no, I stand by everything I did. Everything I said, how mean I was to people, I 100% stand by.

That's a really good point. But that takes us right into Roney. And how did you feel about this episode? Because the last couple have been a little clunky. I'm going to put my feelings of the subject matter aside and say that at least it was better. Yeah, okay. As much as I didn't enjoy what they were talking about the entire fucking episode, you still got everybody involved, everybody mixed it up and shared their opinions. We got Jessel taking a step forward.

We got the level-headed side of the room with Bryn and Jenna towards the end, and then we also got the non-level-headed side of the room at Swingers. Yeah. The aptly named Minigal. Yeah, we're going to get there. Any golf bar sounds sick, though. Not going to lie. There's one downtown called. I'm in.

Fuck, what's it called? You're going to take me on a date? I'm in. Don't threaten me with a good time. Hey, now. But let's jump right in. We start out with, it's kind of a juxtapose scene. We have Cy and Aaron FaceTime with each other,

and at the same time, you have Jenna and Jessel talking. And it's all about the same topic, and it's the lunch recap between Jessel and Sye. And the talk on the phone, this FaceTime conversation, is the meanest, shit I've ever heard. Cy comments on the fact that Jessel, who shared with Cy about the night at the Ritz Carlton,

her and Pavett finally had sex again. I can't imagine, and we saw how awkward they were just with the lingerie, that had to be such an awkward moment for them to try to work past that. It's been a year and a half, all right? There's a gigantic elephant in the room.

It's like, okay, we haven't been able to work past this. We know tonight's the night. There has to be so much pressure on both parties. She says it took me a long time to warm up. It took like 25 minutes. Sai shits on her for that.

Like what a shitty thing to do. Like to sit there and giggle with your friend on the phone. Like, can you believe that? Like, oh my God. Like you couldn't even get warmed up. They took 25 minutes. Like, that's such a mean thing to say. They finally did it.

You guys have been hounding them nonstop about this shit. They finally do it. And now you have a problem with how they did it. Yeah. It was just fucking deplorable behavior. And I hate watching that. And it pisses me off that sigh. Somebody who's got the backstory of someone that you would think would have some perspective has no perspective on how this might work and how other people might feel.

She immediately just puts herself in there and goes, well, you know, David and I, like, wouldn't be able to have sex. Like, we have to have sex every single day. Like, I can't keep him off of me. Okay, that's you and David. Thank you. There are different things. And it's just wild that she goes through this whole thing. And Aaron's just like pushing her along and pushing her along and laughing because her kids walk into the room.

She's like, I don't want to talk about this in front of my kids. Why are you talking about the intricacies of someone else's sexual relationship on the phone, not only on the phone, in front of cameras that are now going to show this episode to not only Jessel and Pabit to other people in the group and fucking millions around the world that are watching this show. It's such bully behavior. It's such bullshit. And I hated it from the moment that Sye starts off and goes, well, first off, she was like 35, 40 minutes late. sigh you were 20 minutes late you failed to mention that part

didn't say that part the lunch started at 11 you walked in at 1120 she happened to be 25 minutes later than that that's on you she played the same card that sigh did she just played it better yeah and it's just fucking hilarious to see that like she is pissed off that one she wasn't the one who showed up late because i don't really care and i didn't want to do this anyway sucks you sat there for 25 minutes and i think about it yeah stood over it that's fucking funny yep because you wanted to do something and she did it better than did you got what you deserved and to see you sit here and talk to Aaron about this is like

fuck you dude like you are terrible and I said it be I said at the beginning of the show I just want sigh off the show and I feel bad because it's the first season you want to give people time to grow we've given sigh enough time to grow and she's grown in her worst way season and there's been no shift at all and that is not a good formula if you look across the board right look at Jenna her big issue is not being open not talking about stuff right she was very walled off closed off we've seen her come out of her shell a little bit and brin was a help to that like she kind of guided her along and got her to be more expressive and more talkative with the group great uba who we thought was like just sweet all the time we saw a different side of her and maybe it wasn't the best side of her but still there's more dynamic there we also saw her come back from that and be cool uba again like we've seen journeys right and the journeys right and the journey doesn't have to necessarily be like them becoming this great person, but we have to see a shift at some point you have to acknowledge how you've been acting. Sy refuses to do so after 12 episodes. It's been 12 weeks. Like if you can't look at some of your behavior and be like,

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You don't know anything else. And you're going to sit there and speculate that him going to Vietnam on a mileage run is him going to Vietnam to cheat on his wife. And you guys are actively talking about it, laughing about it, and relentless about it. And I'm so glad that the scene that was juxtaposed to this was Jenna and Jessel talking about it because Jenna brings such a calm demeanor and calming presence to this and an understanding presence in which she's like, look, clearly there was an emotional wall between the two of you, like you and Pavitt. There was something that you had to work through. It's okay that it took a year and a half because you guys got there.

You guys figured it out. Good for you. At the same time, you know what? To bring up the uncle was a little insensitive. It's not the same as the mom. But I can see what, like, she said what we said last week. We said, Jessel's just trying to relate. She's trying to find a connection.

She's not trying to be mean. She just struggles. Yeah, she's clumsy with it. And, like, that's, it's fine. Like, if you can do it in a way that actually shows. And this is, it doesn't even go to say what Si might even take it as. Because we watch it and we've only seen, what, how many episodes, 11 episodes, 12 episodes at this point? So we're watching now for the 12th week.

trying to figure out whatever whatever trying to figure out who jessel is and we've come to the conclusion that she's a little clumsy and yeah maybe she shouldn't be trying to relate to somebody because it's just too much to ask for and sye is right in the sense that we just want to know who jessel is just talk about yourself we get it stop trying to relate stop trying to match energy stop trying to do all this bullshit i think that we say it like that yeah say it how you just said it that calm hey just be you yeah that's different then we just want you to be you and then don't back track and say that you weren't being that serious about it like that would I agree with Jessel that reaction on the boat warrants a sit down for lunch clearly you feel pretty strong about it if you're going to be screaming there are sea turtles over there that are swimming around all right you're going to you're going to bother them a little bit swam away and I think that look I think we're a little bit to blame because we talked about this early in the season they go over things pretty quickly and there's a resolution and they're not going to stumble over some dumb bullshit

like flying to Vietnam and here we are. And we are just stuck on it. You know what? I think it's our fault because we put that out there. I was really enjoying it and now we're eating our words. We jinged it, but I will say

I wrote this down because it was a great quote. People want from people that won't give gentle lions. And I think that's a great quote. I think that paints the perfect picture of what Jessel is trying to accomplish with Cy. and who Sye is as well.

Jessel just wants acceptance, and Sye is incapable of giving that to her. Yeah, that doesn't work the other way around, though, because Sye, I don't think Sye wants any, I don't know what Sye wants to Jek the way around. Like, you can get all of this information out of Jessel, and Sye's still going to be upset. She just says, I don't care.

I hate, you either, you can't say you don't care. Dismiss it and scream your head off on a boat. You can't say you don't care, and then poke holes in somebody's marriage. It's just, like, stupid. I just hate when people use that. I think that's so dismissive when somebody's trying to be genuine with you

and trying to be nice to you and trying to work through whatever has happened to be just, I don't care. I do not care. Like, don't do that. Like, she's not, she made a mistake, right? She overstepped trying to relate. It's not the end of the fucking world.

You can work past this, but to just dismiss her and say, I don't care, is it? It's so goddamn rude. But I loved the scene with Uber at the lunch meeting where they're doing the collab with Beatnik. By the way, the food.

I knew. I was just going to give you some space to just talk about the food. Fuego. Fuego. That's the first official Fuego on the podcast. It just looks like that place, I would eat at that place. Yeah, I liked that too. And the way that the guys were all talking about the food and just like really getting into it and pairing it off with her different sauces.

So fucking, I'm hungry as shit right now. I am starving. See, I'm going to give you space and you just went into it. Yeah. Exactly. Hungry boy over here. You need to get some Uber hot. We do need to get some hot.

We do need to get some hot. I would love. to do like a recipe video with uba hot i think that'd be so much fun that'd be fuego that would be fuego looks pretty fuego just saying but moving on from there this is an interesting scene because we get sigh with her aunt and they're making dinner or whatever and david made a book of all of size mom's paintings and the paintings are beautiful like absolutely gorgeous paintings and we get to see a side of sigh because I was literally wondering because the ant breaks down starts crying and I was like I wonder if sigh's going to cry and she does she actually

has some tears a little bit and it was just interesting like I wish that she had had more scenes like this like where she's emotional where she's actually feeling things and being able to express those feelings even if it's ever so slightly because she really still doesn't get into it but just showing emotion that you're not made out of rock do you know it's funny i think that sye only we're starting to see she really only cares about her family yeah we see that emotional like the emotions come out when she's with her aunt the emotions come out when she's with her kids or when she's talking about her husband in a weird emotional way that way whatever the fuck that was last week but in the beginning of the season we thought sigh just kind of like grouped

up with brin and she wanted to go out and do the fun things and do do something with the cool person in the group and now she's grouping up with Aaron who she had an issue with in the first couple episodes but there's no real like friendship there there's no emotional relationship between the two friends I think size just using everybody in the group well can we take a sidebar real quick and a side bar a side bar that oh wow yeah fuck I missed that nice said side to side I know I said side bar I still didn't get it just keep doing it side bar let's take a side bar talk about the rumors surrounding side right now Okay.

So apparently, her husband, David, was the owner of the bar that she worked at in New York. And apparently was married at the time, right? They had something go on there. She got pregnant and now they're married. There's also a rumor of an older child involved in this somehow, that like an older son, and I haven't corroborated any of this, but that is now all over the place. Okay. So if any of this turns out to be true,

the fact that she can comment on anybody else's relationship across the board, she would 100% have to pack her bags because she has no ground to stand on. I actually disagree. I want her back for second season. I want to see her feet to the fire. Okay.

I can see that person. If that starts breaking out and there is some story there, then yeah. I mean, you're going to tell your whole story about your family and how rough it was for you growing up and leave that out? That's a pretty major... Talk about it.

We get into this a little bit later about what do you love the most about your relationship or your husband or your wife or whatever. Honesty. Honesty. Honesty. What that man says. Look, I mean, I think if we're taking everything for face value and not the rumors, Sai has been brutally honest.

To a fault. Yeah, very much to a fault. Much to the chagrin of us watching at home. A nice word. Thank you. But, yeah, if those things pop off a little bit, we get to see a little bit more in there and there's some turmoil bring her back all right i want to see it okay i'm on board we get a quick little cut with jenna shopping with becket and highlighting this only because i just i'm always curious to to see scenes with jena and like

how she discusses her past and says you know i really like becket and that's a sweet thing to hear she's like i really like becket because my mom did not like me and it was very apparent and And that's, that's so tough. And it could go so many different ways as a, as a parent, like, growing up like that, then for her to recognize it and instead do the exact opposite, right? Yeah, she looks at it like a do-over. Right. And she even saw it was so nice.

And it's such a, like, a cool way instead of, like, harboring anger and, like, we've heard her talk about how she's processed her mom. And her mom struggled with mental illness, so it was a really difficult childhood. She said the house was always quiet. Her mother didn't show any affection to her. So that could have really fucked up, not only Jenna, but how she parents and also how she talks about her mother, but she doesn't talk about her mom with any disdain, really. She kind of understands that, yeah, it was just a unique scenario, and it was a tough upbringing, but because of that, I'm going to do everything I can to make sure Beckett knows, not only do I love you, but I really, really like you. I really like hanging out with you, and it's just, it's really sweet.

but now we get to swingers and it couldn't be a better name and I mentioned this on pink shade and I'm just going to say it right now because the name's out there it's interesting to me that they take sigh and David to swingers and they being Aaron and Jessel fuck and they being Aaron and and they being Aaron and Abe because the more I'm seeing okay and bear with me here the first conversation they have is about how abe just got some right and they dive in a little bit more and he's like i just gave him a blowjob ha ha ha and they're like oh did you get something and abe's like oh she got something and the whole group laughs so i am pretty

convinced like 99.9% convinced that abe and aaron are screening Sy and David to swing with them. Yeah, I imagine if that is the case, it's all Abe's doing. He's definitely the one who brought it up last week. He's the one who first said I'd be fucking somebody else. David, at least to that reaction, said the relationship would be over, which is better than what Abe said. Is it, though? It's kind of a little bit.

Yeah, no, you're right. It's better, but it's not the fact that sigh, after that I can go, that's the right answer. It's like, no, it's not. It's a better answer, but it's not. It's like one of those things where it's like, yeah, there's a better version of everything out there. Sure. There is a worst. Abe's response was the worst.

That was the worst. And his is a half a step up. So that being said, I- The worst would be Angie from Salt Lake response and saying, I'd put a hit out on my life if we didn't have sex for a year and a half. That would probably be the first. You pulled an Angie and said, T-shirt or hit on family. Anyway, continue. Different ends of the spectrum there, Anj.

But no. I think I can definitely see it. I mean, they tried to run this, which I fucking hate. New York is not some, like, fucking metropolis, new, like, futuristic sex party. No. Where they're better than everybody, and they're so much more in touch with, like, their sexual emotions than everyone else. And this is just how we do it in New York. It's like, no, it's not how people work.

How many people do you know in New York? We have mutual friends. I have a lot of friends in New York, and nobody acts like that. Not one of them swing, to my knowledge. Well, look, I'm not even knocking swingers. I'm just saying. baby yeah who knows they're not listening shout out to my dads

people don't understand that reference but um no it's i i just hate that trope it's like you this is new york anything goes up here it's like no it's just another fucking city with cockroaches but no okay whatever bedbugs now oh yeah that should have been my current events oh yeah the paris fashion show bringing back the bedbugs um but no it's just so weird to watch and i fully agree

i think they could easily be screening who do you think's into it though you know i think i think i think all four would be party to it i think all four would be party to i think david and abe would be the driving forces i think sye would see i think sye would do it to prove that she's so cool i think erin would go along because she doesn't want to upset abe and i think david's a scumbag yeah that's my which is so funny because they're the ones who are pointing things out and asking questions to uh pavit about his trip to vietnam like why do you give a fuck just leave the guy alone Like, stop making these weird, like, sexual passes talking about how he's going to be there for 24 hours.

And, you know, well, it stays a Vietnam. And then you put him in the spot. And he's like, ha, yeah. Like, he's just awkward. He doesn't know what to say. And then it goes to his confession. He's like, I don't know what's happening. Like, what the fuck?

Such weird dudes for guys that started off the season is like, oh, yeah, these guys seem cool. We like them. It seems like they're level-headed. They might have maybe some logic in their brains. It's like, no, they're just scumbags. No, they're just total dirtbags. but Cy and Aaron, like, put it on their husbands. Like, you got to get the dirt from Pavit.

Like, they don't really know Pavett that well. Like, I wouldn't try to get the dirt from people I know well. I wouldn't start talking about that shit to try to, like, dig up that dirt. But they're putting these two on the case and, like, dumb and dumber to go talk to Pavet, who doesn't hang out with them, to try to talk about his sex life and talk about what he's actually doing in Vietnam. Like, they're the fucking CIA. And it's so dumb. But Jessel finally gets there. And I did like this line.

Cy just doesn't like me because I dress better. like boom love that but everyone's sitting around the table and this is when vietnam comes up in front of the group which is crazy like you guys are this obsessed with being and like you pointed out multiple times this is now just bullying yep this is straight up bullying which is never fun to watch in real life or on tv i don't want to see people get put in uncomfortable situations i don't want to see people get put in uncomfortable situations for the pleasure of other people i think it's horrible yeah and it's one it's just not an interesting topic once he says oh yeah i'm doing it because i was able to get like extra miles out of it and

usually something that's you know five grand round trip no 15 grand round trip is now 665 well i've got my numbers all wrong it doesn't matter i'm in the ballpark he's now going to do this like it makes sense the first time that we saw that comment when we talked about it a few weeks ago, you and I looked at each other, were like, eh, I don't really understand that, but it makes sense, I guess, if you're just thinking about it that way. Whatever. Sure, whatever. Apparently, he does it a couple times a year. That's what it is. Who the fuck

cares? Exactly. Whatever. It doesn't fucking matter. It is not interesting enough for Sy to stop the entire conversation and say, tell me about what's going on with Vietnam. We don't need to know anymore. The only reason that you want to bring it up is so that you can try to poke holes in it and prove

to jessel that it's fucking weird. And while I agree that it is a little weird, I just don't understand it. I don't think that there's any more going on there. They do just seems pretty simple. He does. He seems pretty easy to read. Genuinely seems like he wants a fucking Bond Me sandwich.

He wants a real Bond Me sandwich. He's not going to settle for the cart on fucking Fourth Avenue. So he's going to go to Vietnam and have himself a Bond Me sandwich. I don't know. By the way, he's going to get 180,000 miles over three trips that he can then take his wife and kids on a really fun vacation for free. Right. It seems very cut and dry. it's not very interesting why are we talking about this except for you guys to just try to make fun of them or poke holes in it or insinuate that he's cheating on jessel in front of jessel it's a weird fucking move and it's got to be either bullying behavior or it's just idiotic and i don't care for either it's just to me it's like oh our marriages are so great let's shit on a marriage that we don't understand because they must be worse than us and meanwhile the scenes with pavit and jessel seem the most genuine

I'm like, these two like each other. These two love each other. These two get it. And you know what happened over the last couple of episodes? She doesn't like rip them apart anymore. She doesn't do any of that. She razzes them a bit. But you know what?

We remember they were friends first. They were best friends. They had kids, got married. I'm not sure the order of those things. But they got married and had kids. And now they're together and they're best friends still. So they're going to razz each other up a little bit. And we kind of got over that.

But obviously it's not as apparent as it was the last couple episodes. If anybody has issues within your marriage, How about the way that your husband's responded last week? That's it, right? Look yourself in the mirror. Clearly, there's something wrong going on there. What happens if you have another kid and you don't want to have sex for a year? Now you got to worry that your husband's going to go out and fuck somebody else.

Or divorce you. He might be flying to Vietnam. You better have that same energy. Exactly. If he's flying to Vietnam to get those miles, you better have that same energy and say, what do you do it? Only he's spending two days there, and he hasn't mentioned a Bonnese sandwich once. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

But the boys go golf, and I hate... fucking hated this. Like, the two cool guys, Abe and David, because they have all the sex and David just got, or sorry, Abe just got a blowjob. Like, nice, dude. Point to the blue ball and go, Pavitt gets the blue ball. No.

And Pavitt goes, no, no, I'm good now. That's a joke that, like, Shep and Austin would make to Greg. If Craig was like, yeah, I haven't seen Paige in a while, I'm like, I'm really missing her and I want to have sex. And they're like, wow, you haven't had sex a couple weeks. Here's the blue ball for Craig. And you know what? That would have been funny because I'm not even,

questioning Craig and Page's relationship when it comes to that. Nope. They're going to go up to New York and they'll be fine anyway. Yeah. This is it's a touchy subject. Why is everybody making fun of it? And you guys do not know him. You guys do not know him and not only that, the women, the wives in this relationship, met

each other probably less than a year ago. Yeah. Do they need to be talking about something that's very personal? Nah. Stop talking about Pavett's balls. It's uncomfortable for us to watch. It's uncomfortable for Pavit. I feel bad. I feel bad for Pavit too. Meanwhile, back at the table. jessel and aaron are talking about the lunch a little bit and then sigh jumps in and that's when she starts getting rude as fuck and she's like it could have been a phone call it's like jessel was trying to do you the courtesy of like squashing this shit in person face to face that's the respectful thing to do and she keeps saying like well we left anguilla so it was no longer an issue it's like you yelled at her on the boat to the point that you're clapping your hands at her like clearly it's still a problem and clearly it rubbed you the wrong way so for jessel to go out of her way and be like

like, hey, can we sit down and have a lunch together? Shows that she's trying, and you do not care. You just don't care. And then she lays into Jessel. And she's like, we just want you to be real, be real, and just talk. And literally, as I'm writing, you don't let her talk. Jessel says, you don't let me finish ever. And that's true.

Every time they start to get into these conversations, Jessel attempts to defend herself or explain herself. and sigh goes off the rails, yells at her, says really mean things, and then says, you know what, I don't care. How the fuck are you supposed to respond to that? How do you come back in any way, shape, or form to somebody that has checked out entirely after tearing you apart? No, at some point, and I think we're starting to see it, Jessel just needs to remove herself from the situation. Or I even talk to Cy at all. Oh, I totally agree with that, but I loved, I was not expecting this.

Jess was like, well, I try to talk, but then your pet parrot over here. I was like, ooh, fuck yeah. Go after both of them. I love that. Because you know what? Aaron does that. She'll just team up. She's so fucking shell-shocked because every time that Aaron opened her mouth from the beginning of the season, she got ripped apart.

Now she teams up with the person who is making fun of her the most because she's afraid of getting ripped apart. Hey, if I play really close to Sai, Cy's not going to turn on me. I'll just team up with her. That's it. Uber's the only one who's sitting there actually laughing. genuinely, Aaron is painfully laughing. Like, how did I get brought into this? It's like, you brought yourself into this.

You're the one who sat on the phone and was making fun of Jessel. Jekyll doesn't even know that that happened, but she knows enough to know what kind of person you are, Aaron. You're going to sit there and just echo everything that Sai says. Cy, at least when she speaks, she's speaking from her heart. That's truly who Sye is.

You're just echoing what she says because you're a fucking sheep. And her, no, she's a parrot. And her reactions are... I just wanted to do a bad. Oh, I'm sorry. It's okay. I did it anyway. I know.

I'm not bad. I should have read the room. But I was genuinely uncomfortable with Aaron's reactions. Like when she's like rolling on the couch, like fake laughing, I'm like, you are playing this up so much. Nothing that Sai is saying is hitting. She's not landing any actual punches. She's saying the same shit that she has said over and over again.

Everyone's tired of hearing it except Aaron, like you said, does, she's so excited to be on Cy's team now that she's just like playing it up the most. and Uba is like an innocent bystander just like kind of laughing slash just like eating and like I don't really know what's going on like can we just move on from all this shit but I'm glad Jessel stood up for but I'm glad Jessel stood up for herself finally

I'm glad that she took a jab and then says you know what I'm done and hopefully she is and side does the worst thing you could possibly do and she goes and like crashes the boys time and she's like oh I'm going to come over and play and all the guys like oh this is ruined it's like get out of here

Yeah. Like, go, don't do that. Like, don't come over here because you're upset with the girls and, like, come over to the guys who are also picking on Pavit so that you can come over there and start questioning Vietnam again. Because then David brings it out, he goes, well, if I went to Vietnam, what would you say? And she's like, who are you fucking?

It's like, why, dude? Leave this couple alone. The weirdest part to me, and this is like when I was, and I have been out on David, but this was like the nail on the coffin. When they all get back over to the table, we already saw his interaction. with uba and i was like that's kind of weird he keeps calling her hot and stuff like bizarre gives her a big hug says god you're so beautiful and you're so smart and blah blah blah and then starts commenting on her relationship status none of your fucking business one two why are you complimenting

her so so much and her looks in front of your wife and why is sigh who is questioning like here it is here's the breakdown sigh's questioning why pavit is flying to vietnam for miles for 24 hours and flying back. She has no issue with the man who said, I'm going to divorce you if we don't have sex for a year and a half. And now is calling my friend who is objectively gorgeous, so attractive, so pretty, all of these nice things. And like, yeah, great, he's complimenting her, but it's creepy and it's weird in front of your wife. Why are you not concerned about that? Why are you not concerned about your husband, your marriage, which is built on infidelity, apparently, and you have an issue with sweet pavit going to eat a fucking sandwich? Yeah.

Yeah. Like, God damn. We keep repeating it, but it's just crazy to me that that's your problem. Instead of looking inward, Aaron, look inward at your creepy husband that goes to a confession and goes, I just need it all the time. I feel so bad because I just need it. I need it all the time. Uncomfortable. Yeah, bro. Like, settle the fuck. Yeah, it went from like us being very uncomfortable because they're talking about Jessel and Pavett's sex life and or lack thereof for the longest time. We're like, all right, enough. Like, this is really weird. You guys are commenting on things that you.

You do not need to comment on. I do not want to watch this anymore. Now we went to the other side of the spectrum. And they are talking so openly about their sex lives to the point where it's like, enough. Like, we get it. There's a line that you've crossed. And that line is, you guys have a healthy sex life. Great for you.

That's nice. It's fun. If you can make jokes about it here and there, fine. That's cool. Sex joke here and there is funny. Do not cross that line and have your husband. Go to the confessional and do exactly what you just said. I just need it.

Just fucking need it. I need it like water. I need to, like, the air that I breathe, it better be inside of air. And it's like, what the fuck, dude? Yeah. It's just enough. Like, it's creepy. It's weird.

And then if you're going to comment on somebody else's sex life, don't push that shit elsewhere. Leave it alone. Quit shoving it down our throats. Oh, yeah. Please. Hey, oh. Hey, now.

But the last scene is at Jenna's house, and they're just doing a recap of the night. Brynn is there. Jessel's there. they have a much better conversation about the Vietnam trip because another thing is the timeline is now messed up and that's reason for aside to say that Jessel lies about everything because the flight's at a different time. Like are you kidding?

When we go back, she says, yeah, he's got a flight to Vietnam in like a couple of weeks. It's vague as shit, right? No, it was next week. It was next week. No. Okay? That's a lie.

It was next week. It's a vague one-off where Jessel's like, yeah, he's going to Vietnam in a couple weeks. Like, whatever, I get a staycation. It's so simple. and it's not a lie. It's not a fucking, like, unearthing of her being a huge liar. No.

You did not just do some detective work. You got your facts wrong from a throwaway comment three weeks ago in a shoe store, and you're going to stand on that as your soapbox for saying that that's why she's lying. How dumb. Bring up other things. I'm sure if we were to roll back the tape, I'm sure Jessel has lied about other things, and we can look at those things. They all do.

That's the thing that you're going to hone in on is you said that this trip was next week. Apparently it's not for a couple of weeks. It's not even planned. Well, it opens up in a couple of weeks, and that's what I'm going to book it. So that's when it's going to happen. Period. I didn't hear that because Aaron was cackling over here. Your parrot was chirping in the corner.

So weird. And they get to the, and we missed this, but I'm glad I'm bringing it back up. The why do you love your wife, right? And these two guys, like, David spins this ridiculous story. I didn't believe a word he was saying. That's when he was talking about the honesty thing. And I fully expected both of them just to be like, because the sex is great. Yeah.

And Abe has to mention my. She loves sex. Like, you don't have to say that part. Just, like, say what's nice about it. The funniest shit is Pavitt literally echoes pretty much exactly what Abe said. I want to be with somebody that loves life that wants to keep it interesting. Travel, do all these great things together that puts up with my shit. Yep.

Pavit literally says the same. Let me do the weird things that I'm going to go do, like go get a Bond Me sandwich of Vietnam and go on a mileage run. And also says she also puts up with my shit. He says does those things with me. Yep. Lives life and wants to do things with me and puts up with my shit. Identical. And then Cy says to everybody after the fact, and Aaron echoes the same thing, Parrott, and says,

Pavett said that he just wanted to go be with Jessel because she lets him do whatever he wants. No, he absolutely didn't say that at all. Meanwhile, the only cool wife, by the way, is. is Jessel because she's like, I don't give a shit what he does. Like, yeah, I trust him implicitly. If he wants to go to a strip club with his boys, sometimes I go with him. If he wants to go get a fucking bond me, we're best friends. I trust him. That's what marriage is. You trust your partner implicitly. You're not questioning they're doing shady shit. The only reason you have a reason to question your significant other is if you think they are capable of doing

shady shit. And that comes about if you get together with them through infidelity, if they talk about sex incessantly if they tell you they're going to leave you in a year and a half if you don't fuck them and if they tell you they're going to divorce you if you don't fuck them for a year and a half that's when you get shady that's when you question your fucking marriage not when the wife is like go do you boo boo because i fucking trust you that came out of nowhere you need to settle down over there overalls i don't know where that came from what just happened you got very angry usually no one rants are coming anybody got like one of those little balls you can just squeeze

a guy's stress ball a blue ball yeah oh god bring it back around I actually just remember too Abe had a moment where they were talking about I think it was during the FaceTime call they were talking about Matt Pabbett's mileage run and Abe goes that doesn't sound so bad he's going on a mileage run

and he gets to get away from the kids for a little bit and just have peace and quiet and sit in the first class it doesn't sound too bad at all and then Aaron gave him a look and he stopped and just walked away he agreed you're your glowing husbands who can't stop having sex, which, by the way, if he can't stop having sex, there's chances are that he's probably having sex elsewhere.

Oh, I didn't say it. I'm just saying it. Just throw it out there. He agreed with Pavit, and you gave him a look, so he stopped agreeing with Pavit. That doesn't sound so healthy to me. No, and you know what? Usually I'd have an issue with, like, what you just said, but if they're going to point fingers, like, oh, Pavett's probably stepping out.

Yeah, fuck that. You know what? They're all stepping out. Yeah, fuck that shit. Ooh. Pineapples upside down me. Yeah, the pineapples. I don't know.

Yeah. That's what swingers do. you ever see a pineapple yeah i have yeah i've seen a pineapple not a real pineapple but like a pineapple dormant swingers live there really how do you know that you didn't know that i thought that's like common knowledge sound off chat sound off chat chat i've said in the dms sound off the dms comment on uh youtube broad bros podcast at broad bros underscore let us know about the upside down pineapples let us know about swingers but apparently shooter is uh you've been to my apartment I haven't.

I'm not swinging with that either. You've got to have a partner to be swinging, you know. Okay, all right, cool. Single guy showing up to a swingers party. That's sad. I have so many questions. No, no, no, we're not going to do this. We're not going to do this.

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What a charming show this has been. I've enjoyed this season. And it's good, too. It works out really well because there was only one thing discussed this entire episode. Yeah. We could just kind of like roll through this one. Yeah, we're just going to roll straight through it. And like the main focus of this episode, as we were expecting, is Taylor dropped a bomb on Olivia and said, you know, there's been obviously speculation of what is the relationship between Austin and Taylor.

and I still don't agree with how Taylor went about it. I get that she was trying to be honest, but she did not need to add in he talked to his sister, I talked to my brother to try to figure out whether or now we should take this to the next level in date, right? And the biggest issue for me, once again, and we talked about it last week, is the timeline because of when they had this conversation

that is congruent with when Austin and Olivia were trying to work things out, apparently. And then all of a sudden, after a week, he's like, no, I can't do this. Now, those could have been two separate things. He could have been leading both of them on. I don't really know, though, because I was thinking back to the reunion last year. And during the reunion, Austin was not with Olivia. And Olivia did not have kind words for Austin.

No, but after that. You remember that. I know. But after that, they said they tried for a week after the reunion to figure it out. They were still in New York when they tried, though. That's where the timelines are all over the place. Whenever anybody in any show across the franchises says they were, references New York in any way, it's the reunion.

It's always the reunion. So when they're talking about it, Olivia says after, or when we were in New York, he was texting me and like after, or after I left New York, I went to L.A. or whatever, or Vegas maybe, and he was texting me, talking me through all of this. She fucking hated him during the reunion. She was ripping him apart, calling him a boy, saying that he never knows what he's doing. He's fucking around, blah, blah, blah. Like, all these things were going on.

And obviously, the Shep and Taylor kind of overshadows all of. that. Yeah. But you're telling me that Olivia and Austin, who dated for three months, Taylor actually hit the nail on the head. Did they date? I don't really know. I really do not know if they actually dated.

You brought that up, too, and like, here's my thing. That might be a valid argument. Probably the worst thing that Taylor could say in a confessional. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, really not your place to say. Now you're downplaying it, but it is a confessional, so we don't know what happens in the next couple of weeks. Obviously, her and Olivia do not talk anymore because you don't see anything on social

media. But that being said, you're telling me that Taylor and Austin hung back in New York had this whole conversation. Olivia left New York and went to Vegas. And then that's when Austin and Olivia are talking about maybe trying and figuring it out. After that whole fucking reunion, it's just none of it adds up. Really, none of the timeline adds up for me. We need a flow chart. Look, I don't even think we need a flow chart. I think that the Austin Olivia thing is being blown way out of proportion. But here's the thing. I think that One, because of Charleston, right? It's a smaller town.

They hit us over the head with that. Two, because they're castmates, I think the emotional part of it is elevated significantly. It's not so, I think a little fling, even if it's three months when you are in a cast with these people, carries a lot more weight because it throws off the dynamic of the entire group. And it's awkward for people that have to see each other. And Olivia had a lot more feelings for Austin than Austin did for Olivia. Olivia. That was apparent. And I think that because of that and because Olivia and Taylor were then, quote, unquote, sisters after all this happened, I think that's where the betrayal comes in. It's not so much the duration of the relationship. It's the fact that for three months prior, or sorry, three months post, they were palling around together every single day. And at no point did Taylor say anything. I think that's where it becomes a fucked up. Yeah, and I think that if we find out that, and we don't really know because of the cliffhanger,

but if we find out that they didn't actually hook up, which I kind of speculate that right now, I think that cliffhanger at the end tells me everything that I need to know. I don't think they hooked up. I still think they did. Deep down, I think they do, but I don't think that they actually hooked up, and I think that makes it a lot funnier.

I think I'm really looking forward to that because we've been led to believe this this entire time. I think really what we're seeing in this episode specifically is Olivia is not grieving the Austin of it all. I think she's just grieving Taylor because she found a really good friend in Taylor. She's just moved back to Charleston. Now she's all alone in Charleston.

Her parents left, and she really found a sister. Look, we talk about the brother-sister thing. I don't know how I feel about sister-sister things. But no, no, I'm not. I'm just kidding. Just goofing. Come on, throwing a little joke out there. It doesn't have to be serious all the time.

But no, I think that really she's just grieving the friendship that she found with Taylor. and that's going to be the crux of everything. I'm throwing out the whole Austin of it all, really. It's just about friends losing what they had. I agree. But on the opposite side of it, the Shep thing, that's bucked up. Well, yeah, yeah.

Again, that calls to the friendship thing. Different dynamic, and we'll get to that in a minute because I want to do a quick JT check-in because he's your favorite. But we get a scene with J.T. and Rod at the event space, it's just weird to me. You know, and I will stand by. I think J.T. is great for the show.

But it's so weird to me that he takes it upon himself at every avenue to bring up Austin. And this whole Austin and Taylor thing, and he says to Rod, like, can you believe that? I just don't get what his infatuation is. And, like, buddy, she hooked up with your friend on your trip. You're not getting in there, pal. Like, get over it. JT's the kind of guy that falls in love in, like, one conversation. Oh, yeah.

For sure. He had one conversation with Taylor, maybe bought her a coffee. She walked away. he was in love with her. She hooked up with his friend in Paris or London or wherever the fuck they were going to his parents' houses, not his houses. No, shit.

That's an important point. And he's still in love with her, and now he takes every opportunity to talk about that. Or he was tasked with the, I guess, the storyline of, you're going to push this whole Austin Taylor thing. And this is how we're going to do it.

And he is very simple-minded and can't get past that. I'm glad that Rod at least brought up the fact that Austin tried to throw it in his face that Olivia made out with somebody else in the bar and Rod, who's an adult seemingly was like, yeah, she's single, like it was such a weird move. It was like slut-shaming her essentially and what a

child. Like how the fuck are you going to bring that up? Like it's going to, oh, thanks, bro. It's funny when an adult guy comes into this group. It's like, whoa, what the hell are you doing here? Exactly. Like, hey, too much logic, buddy. Like, settle down. They go for their adult advice. They go over to Whitney. And Whitney is not an adult.

No, he's the biggest man-child of him all. but Shep calls Austin and they're having an my only issue and it's not even a bad issue it's just like every scene is so painstakingly awkward it's so goddamn awkward

Shep calls Austin and to Shep's credit once again he's trying so hard to give Austin the benefit of the doubt and Austin's like well I'm not going to the event and of course Shep's like well why like that's weird it's weird that you're not going

why are you going in that conversation I know but still like Like, he tells Shep about the conversation and emphasizes that nothing happened. And Shep, I still think, is like holding on to hope that nothing happened. But at the same time, dude, for the Austin and Shep side of it, and I understand that Shep stepped out on Taylor and, like, that's a whole different dynamic of this thing. But just straight up BroCode. We're going to talk brocode here.

Brocode, man. BroCode. Shep should be living at Austin, period. Like, there's no wiggle room here. The fact that he's still trying to bridge this gap is not necessary. Like, he overstepped. He overstepped with your ex, period. The sleepover, not okay.

Everything that happened after you guys broke up with Austin. How about Austin going into his phone, zooming in on the picture? It was weird. On the camera? I know. Like, what are you trying? Are you trying to bury yourself, you idiot? Like, what the fuck?

I was trying to wrap my head around that. I'm like, what is he doing? Like, he knows there's a camera behind him over his shoulder, looking at his text messages and you're zooming in on her face I don't know the next I mean it all leads to this like day chaser event and uh it's still the worst name for a mixed can cocktail confused feel like it's going to hydrate me it's not it's not going to hydrate you it is not liquid iv but during this scene we get multiple conversations all centered around the same thing right what I want to highlight is Olivia and Shep's phone call and I'm starting to think and like this

This is a crazy, crazy speculation. I don't think there's any merit to it. Tinfoil hat. Big time conspiracy tinfoil hat theory right here. She's like, do you want Uber together since we live so close? She's, oh, it's a great idea. Is there going to be a grief hookup in their future where they're both, look, it's not going to be an extended thing.

Happen with Austin and Taylor. You know what I mean? Here, like, let's say everything comes to light. Let's say they did hook up Austin and Taylor. They did hook up. Shepp and Olivia live close. comes over, they start crushing whiskey or something, they're getting, like, bourbon drunk

and they wake out that fessent. You know what I mean? And they wake up in Taylor's, or sorry, and they wake up in Olivia's parents' bed, and they're like, oh, fuck, what happened? Because it's her parents' house. And it's a... She's sleeping in the parents' bed? It's a bourbon night, you know, you know what I'm saying? This is how crazy the night gets. I'm trying to paint a picture for you. Pretty good painting. All right. Thank you. Wait, the painting of them having sex?

Sure. Okay. Is that The craziest tinfoil conspiracy, or is there some merit there, like, out of... I think there's some merit there. However, I am now picturing you as, like, Bob Ross painting a picture of Shep and Olivia. We got a little happy little butt cheek over here. We're going to put a very sad cloud up here because Austin's very upset. Oops, and I made a mistake, but that's just a freckle now, because there are no mistakes.

A little freckle on Shep's spot. Yeah, that's kind of where my brain went. That's a happy freckle. This is your brain on Red October. Hey, go birds, go Phil's. Yeah, I think there's some merit there. We talked about it last week or the week before because we didn't realize, I kind of lost over the fact that Shep lives so close, but him coming over from hunting with the pheasant, it seemed very, like, happy and whatever.

I think what we're getting, I know. What the fuck is that? There's something in my throat, whatever. I think what we're getting is it's just more of Olivia is alone, living alone. and her parents are gone. She doesn't know a whole lot of people. We're kind of giving her a little bit more credit for being on the show.

She's dating. She's doing this and that and whatever. For what Shep actually is, obviously, he cheats on his girlfriends and whatever. He's a pretty good friend. He's a pretty good friend. Look, I said that last year, and I hated him. Whether it's a girl or a guy.

No, he does treat everybody pretty well. He's an asshole. He makes asshole comments. He buries himself all the time. But as far as other people that he's friends with, he doesn't really bury them. No, and he's respectful to Taylor at her event. He's like, I don't want to do this here.

I'm sorry. And, like, leaves. I got to say also, Olivia carries herself so well. Oh, yeah. She is going through it, and she still puts on a face and says, I'm here to support you. Taylor, I'm here to support you. Like, she, the way she handles this. Then you get that juxtaposed to Austin, whose punk bitch move is, I just, I can't show up.

Yeah, you pussy. I can't face that. Like, you're such a little baby. You are. You're a giant baby. A big old giant man baby. but his response is I'm going to go over to Whitney's

and just get some advice from Whitney Hold on I do have to say like the Whitney scene It's funny now It's funny Now that you understand what Whitney and Patricia are I do But here's the other part of it

Okay And we've all been there You did something stupid All right And it could be in a relationship It could just be in life You're kind of at a weird place And you call your boy

And you're like yo dude Are you busy and like now come on over and you guys just get ridiculously drunk together and have, like, deep what you think are meaningful conversations, but it's just nonsense back and forth. You drink to like four in the morning and pass out. That brought back memories. In your parents' bed.

In your parents' bed. I genuinely bought back memories where I was like, oh, I've had those nights. That is what that was. It was 100%. And then it crosses a bit when he's reaching out to Craig and inviting Craig over and bring Madison. Of course, bring Madison.

That was so weird. Why not bring Madison? Let's just get everybody in there. What the fuck was that? Why is Madison cool? But then Vanita's like, oh, it's in an open invitation. She's like, no, no, no, only Madison. Yeah, Vanita.

You're, no. You need to show a little bit more on this show before you can get invited. That was so weird. Like, why you and Madison aren't cool? But then Madison was very, like, accepting of the invite. She's like, yeah, absolutely. Like, I'm going over there. And shits on them.

That's what she wanted to do. I know. Yeah. And then the last thing about the party that I want to touch on before we get to the drunken Aftermath at Whitney's. Apparently, Apre Ski is the new theme this year. I know. I've landed on that.

We're doing Apre Ski. It was Roaring 20s last year. Okay right now. I'm okay with it. It's going to get old. We get to Beverly Hills. They're going to go to Aspen because they're going to go to Kyle's house. So we went from Roaring 20s, sound baths.

Now we're at Apreyski. I'm just curious that that's going to ring true for the rest of these shows. But at the Apre Ski party, JT has some professional courtesy. Do you know what that means? Do you want me to explain that a little bit further? Dude, it's one, it's not a thing. Two, it's very self-explanatory. Yeah, we got it.

Quit mansplaining. You should have just said bro-code, dumbass. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. You made up a word that is very self-explanatory and then asked if you needed to explain that. You were mansplaining? People looked at you with a blank stare because you're a fucking moron. Yeah, but he's still talking about the sleepover.

Like, dude, you're not dating her. Well, he was talking about it to people. that hadn't heard it well I mean they've definitely heard it by now but they hadn't heard it from anybody close why is he bringing it up I'm telling you he was tasked with being the person to spill the beans on this

yeah maybe so he is taking his character way too seriously maybe so I gotta give a shout out to our boy Joey Bottles Joe Bradley was on there we saw Brad Bradley was there Brad was there yeah we got to see our friends from southern hospitality what's up guys if you're listening but we get to the bro down

over at Whitney's house and uh Craig and Shep have a little conversation before going over there and I like Craig again Craig on this show is much better he says the chef he's like look man come with me like go over there right now and confront them like have this conversation right now ship's like can you give me 10 minutes and he's like if you come with me yeah which is funny that he emphasized that because like it could have been like after 10 minutes

chef's like I'm just going to stay yeah but Shep does have a little conversation with Taylor and this this one's hard for me genuinely because look what she did is wrong with Austin I agree however what Shep did was wrong with Taylor I did like that Shep pointed out

you know you got on me for two months afterwards I was in Texas having sex with somebody else meanwhile less than two months you're having a conversation with Austin one of my closest friends about potentially dating yeah that's the same thing Taylor's credit, she says, you're right. But the hardest part of all of this,

because Taylor is wrong, this is wrong. Shep did cheat on her incessantly. That's wrong. So it's this weird middle ground where they're both wrong, but Taylor is the most recent wrong one. Yeah, it is sort of like that, but I feel like there is a line being crossed

when you bring in somebody like Austin, and that's who you're talking to so quickly. Yeah, years down the line, it kind of muddies. it a bit and it says, okay, you know, you don't get to have an opinion on who I'm going to date. Years. Yes. Yeah, years. You don't get an opinion on who I'm going to date

because when we were together, you cheated on me incessantly and we're both adults, so this is what's going to happen. When it's two, less than two months after you guys break up, you were together four and a half years. Two and a half I think it was closer. Four, I don't know, whatever. It was too long to be dating his

friend. Yes, exactly. And to do that, like, yeah, to bring it up, but I feel like what Shep's should have probably done in that situation is look you're going to do what you're going to do the issue is not really with taylor it's with austin i agree with you do not like you have lost this relationship with taylor right then and they like well before that that's over you still want to be buddy buddy with her again the fucking charleston thing or it's just shepp wanting to build bridges and do this and that and whatever but at the end of the day it's not the issue does not lie

entirely on Taylor. It's like 15% on her, maybe. The other 85 is fully on Austin. I agree. And what you should have done in that situation is said, look, I obviously don't approve of this. It hurt to hear that. That really fucking sucks. I'm angry about that. I'm pissed about that. I'm

angry at you, but we don't really have anything here. No. This is over. Whatever we have in between us is completely over. I am going to be pissed at this other person, Austin, who's supposedly one of my closest friends. I'm going to go after him. I'm going over there to have a conversation with him right now to try to straighten this out yeah that's what you say to lay it out here's where

the issue is actually like as you just said the issue is between shepp and austin the other part of it is taylor and olivia yep right there there should not be crossing going on because i don't like you said taylor and shep it's over i think that they both get a chance to kind of voice their feelings sure no no sure but like this should be the end of those two trying to get to the bottom i would agree with that it might be honestly it might be this conversation for what it was could have been way worse. Oh, infinitely worse. It could have been so much worse.

It's funny that he was drinking Estella and she was like, she got mad at that. It's like, all right, like, pick your battles. Nobody wants to fucking drink those day chasters all day. Like, get over it. But no, it could have been way worse. I think that Shep handled himself pretty well. Taylor took accountability. She handled herself pretty well.

It didn't boil over. He's going to have to go have a really tough conversation with Austin, his best friend, who betrayed him. Yep. That's a bigger issue. This is not the bigger issue here. So there it goes. I mean, that's pretty much. I do need to comment when they're going over to Whitney's.

I just love this term when they get in the Uber or whatever. He's like, that was a heady-ass encounter. I was like, what the fuck is a heady-ass encounter? An encounter that keeps you in your head, I guess? I don't know. But it was really funny. And they get over there, and the only thing worth noting is the cliffhanger. And it's, you took it one way, right?

It's, Shep sits down with Austin and finally just says, tell me what happened was there something there like a lot more is coming out you're always so vague just fucking tell me right what do you say Vino and Veritas or something

and Austin this can be taken two ways and it clearly was because he says define hookup when I hear that I'm like oh something happened when you hear that you think it's a cliffhanger

to shift the focus all right so I'm curious we'll see what happens next week this week whatever Right, October. Yeah. But that takes us to the questions,

and let's start out with some rony ones up first from Jazz and I. Not a question, just go birds and love the pod. Great start. Sorry, it's Rock, I had to do that. From Osnap 21, do you think if Jessel wasn't so liked, people would still feel the same way about Sye? No, because I don't think that Jessel is well-liked.

Jessel is definitely well-liked now. And yes, I think people still would feel the same way about this. He's an asshole regardless. Yeah, I think they would. But I argue with the fact that Jessel's well-liked. I feel like Jessel is recently well-liked. I don't think that she's been well-liked the whole season. If she was-in-lawyons in Jassel's shoes, everybody would be going after Sye.

Yeah, I agree. I think you misread the question or misheard it. No. Do you think people would feel differently about Scy's? Oh, it would feel the same way about Sye. Yes, they would. You said, no, they wouldn't. Would people still feel the same way about Sye

if people didn't like Jessel now? Yes, they still would. Yes. You said, no. I got focused on the wrong aspect. Yeah, I know. Give me a break. You're an idiot.

Red October. Long day. Red October. Ooh, hell yeah. Great question from Led Roxella. If I said that right. Can we get a guest appearance, by Steele's wife.

We would love a Dev appearance. Yeah, she's, we've offered a couple times. She's a tough cookie to crack. Dev, if you're listening and I know you are, I told you that people want it. Come on the show, damn it. I'm going to start putting you on blast now. From C-Marc 87, a lot of Bravo drama is fueled by alcohol.

Being in recovery, does that bother you? No, it does not. I appreciate the question, but, no, I can separate the two. I enjoy the shows. sometimes it's alarming and I notice things that maybe other people don't but I talk about them on here and I feel like that's a good space for me so no but thank you for asking up next from Tracy A Gallagher

do you guys think the whole story will ever come out about Austin and Taylor no no chance I don't think so either I don't think we get the whole story of any fucking thing that comes out on any of these shows No, that's a really good point. And for this one, I think it's going to be vague for the entire season. I think we're going to hit with a cliffhanger, and I think they're going to pick up the cameras after the fact. They better not.

I really hope they don't. Oh, here you go. From McCarthy, CB. Shoots Magoutes, Magoutes. I love you. Thanks, McCarthy, CB. Let's do one more. Oh, interesting.

From Daria PNG. How is Whitney hooking up with Neal? me different from Austin Taylor's situation. Whitney is not a core friend. Yeah, he's an outlier. He's an outlier and people don't hold him accountable for anything.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. There was one more I want to end on it. Oh, what is this? A video one? We get video ones? That's so good. Jazz and A. There you go.

I make sure I say it right. Somebody said a video to tell me how to pronounce their name, Jazz Zenday. Thank you so much. There you go. More people need to do that. So I don't get,

I don't butcher your names because I always feel like an assop. But, uh, that'll do it for us here at the Brav Bros. Remember to follow us on Instagram at Brav underscore Bros. Subscribe to our YouTube channel at Brov Bros. Podcast. Buy your tickets for the bourbon room in L.A., November 19th. You got anything else?

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