Bros & Shows - Murder at the Banquet, Infighting in the Turret... (Traitors Recap w Bran Flakezz)

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

What's up Bros? Alas, Steel has still not returned from his mysterious sabbatical but have no fear, our friend Bran Flakezz is here to recap The Traitors. Rob R. flips the script as he sets his sights on Rinna. Colton continues to Colton his way through the castle, rubbing everyone the wrong way. Natalie makes a couple of missteps causing some suspicions. At the banquet, a faithful is killed in plain sight BUT during their departure they offer some more information... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Brab Bros. Your favorite show from the Bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Shooter McGueter, Steel, M.I. But don't worry because we've got a very special guest here. It's Bran Flakes. What's going on, Brand? Hi, Shooter.

Thanks for having me back. Absolutely. I can't imagine doing traders with anyone else. We've had you on, I think this is your third or fourth time doing this. And you've done multiple episodes with us at different sittings. It's always great to have you on here because I know you really appreciate this. And you can bring a little gamer expertise to this, whereas I will bring gamer hate. And we're almost out of gamer.

So I don't know what's going to happen. but this was a chaotic episode from the jump. We knew this is what was going to play out. Alan was on, I think the Today Show last week, talking about episode seven, how much carnage actually played out. I imagine there's more there that they didn't put out there, and I hope that they release some sort of extended episode.

But how did this episode strike you? Yeah. I don't want to be negative, but like, listen, it was a good episode. It was a good episode. Had me on the edge of my seat for sure. I have some qualms. I didn't think, like, the banquet quite lived up to the hype that, like, Alan had been, like, telling us about. I was kind of hoping for more of, like, I don't know, like, people going at each other.

I was expecting some more out of it. I loved the theatrics of it. I loved the outfits. I think it was iconic for sure. But I wanted a little more out of it. Yeah, I understand that. And I do think that any time you get hype, especially in reality TV, especially in game shows, when they hype it up beforehand, it almost never lives up to the expectations. I mean, we see that all the time throughout Bravo, Netflix, any show you want to talk about where all the producers, the showrunners, everybody's talking about this specific episode.

It's almost like just let us kind of get through it. We kind of expected some sort of carnage, which is why I'm kind of letting on that there might be more here. but he may have just been referring to what happened at the end of this dinner just because it hasn't happened before, which we'll get into it a little bit. But I do have to start, who do you think was the best dressed at this banquet? Oh, Mara. I loved Mara's look. Mara's look with the metallic over with the huge hat.

That was such a crazy good look. I thought Kristen Kish actually showed up wearing red to this. For those of you that don't know if you're a Game of Thrones fan, the black dinner is also the inspiration of the red wedding. So that's a nice little tidbit to just tie in there from Allen. But at the same time, we have to talk about the fucking worst thing I've ever seen. And that's Colton walking in there. Who the hell designs this for this man?

I have the theory that whoever is giving him his outfits or giving him things to wear. If he's not doing it by himself, they're trying to make him look like a goof. I hated it. I just like, I can't even look at him anymore. He's so smug I'm just like I can't But yeah the outfit really did not help him at all No the outfit was absolutely terrible

Putting him in a TR was a incredibly funny choice But I think he's gotten to the point Where he's infuriating fans too much now And I do think now going back Even the last week Tuesday they were supposed to have him on Watch What Happens Live And they ended up replacing him with Rappaport Which is very funny because that just goes to show you

Where their allegiance is But getting rid of him And then not having any sort of press statement or any sort of update on why this happened and him being quiet and his camp being quiet is very interesting. So I do wonder how much longer he's going to last. I actually do think, did you watch Love Island? I did. So I really love the idea of if this were done in live time and if they were filming it and reviewing it and editing it and getting it out, he would have a Yalissa cut right now where we would just drop in the next day and you would hear Allen's voice come over

the whole castle. Colton has left the building. Colton has left the castle and they just go and wake this man up and yank him out because they obviously didn't do their due diligence, much like Love Island didn't. But that's not going to happen. So we might have to endure him for a little further. Now, as we know, Lisa's walking around with an amulet. She has a lot of a lot of bravado going into this, which I was excited about because she was setting her sights on Colton. She ended up switching tactics a little bit and she got her shortlist down to Jam Jam, Kristen and Natalie, which the way it played out was absolutely perfect. I didn't see any of this happening.

And I love that they didn't really show you exactly who it was to touch the amulet. Yeah, I like the way it was added to. And I think this was a perfect task for Lisa. I think she did a great job. I kind of knew that that was going to be semi-easy for her. I think the amulet was easier, in my opinion, than doing the shallace or anything else. Because you could have been like, oh, look at this.

It's actually like real metal or something. Give it a rub or something. I think there was ways where she could do it. But she did it perfectly with the, oh, can you help me adjust this? It was great. Unfortunately, we'll get to it, but did end up working out in her favor. But I liked it. No, I mean, it's very interesting when she's the one who has to, if she puts the onus on herself, we see that in the turret.

I don't know if there was a further discussion. But as far as we know, she decided to volunteer. She takes the amulet. But it does make sense because it's not like Rob's going to be walking through with an amulet like that. I know he does try to take some risks here and there when it comes to fashion. I think that's a bridge too far for him. Candace, it would work well with. But when it's Rina, there's already so much heat on her.

So if they do get burnt and this is, you know, a murder and plain sight, there's a lot of risk to be taken here. People already kind of think that she's a traitor. People are going to vote her out regardless. If she gets caught in the act, it's not the end of the world. If Candace gets caught in the act, they're going to go after Candace. and then they'll turn their sites back to rid it, and that's really bad for the trader. So it does make a lot of sense.

Now, when she's going around doing this, it seems like she's got a pretty clear cut plan. I think it's funny that production ends up putting, you know, the set of cards with their faces on it, just to try to throw them off. That was an afterthought because as we sit down and Alan announces what just happened, and he announces that he's going to be telling everybody what happened.

Not only that, we've got two antidotes. So if you think that you were a target for a murder in plain sight, you have two opportunities here to potentially block that. There might be another thing out there that's going on, and you could still go home, discuss amongst yourselves. The theories that were getting thrown around were that shit. It was wild. It took them like four or five different nuances to even get to the cards,

which I thought was such a layup, and obviously it's a throwaway by production, but they didn't bring it up until I think it was Johnny that pointed out that Stephen told him, hey, turn that card over. It's like, well, we all ended up touching the card. so it wasn't me. Or it was carving the turkey or it was handing somebody a plate.

The things that are just like the mental gymnastics going on were so funny to watch. And I just could not get enough of that. I completely agree. I was like hoping that maybe someone would have been murdered and would have pointed the fingers back to Stephen because it seemed like he was the potential culprit in a lot of their crazy theories. And I love Stephen, but I just wanted more of Renna. I really wanted more of Rina and I'm going to be upset moving forward if she's not around a little bit more. But with Stephen in particular, he almost kind of strikes you the same as anybody else.

As soon as his name pops in your mind, you could do the same thing that Colton was just doing to Rina. Well, he hasn't really been speaking up. He's really good in the missions, but he doesn't do a whole lot. And once you start going down that path, there's four or five different people that are very good choices. Steven's there, but Rob is also at the end of that road. So once that door gets opened, it could lead down. to rob as well. So that's a big possibility moving forward. Now, the fight breaks out for these antidotes. And boy, oh boy, was this funny as everyone's trying to rationalize why they need it.

In my mind, there was maybe two people that really had a fighting chance here. I think Johnny absolutely should have taken it. And then when you get down to Kristen, I'm sorry, when you get back down to Tara, who's looking at Dorinda saying, you gave me this, you gave me this. Jam Jams on the other side whispering that Lisa kissed him. If he goes home, Lisa kissed him. Very bizarre. And I don't really understand what his thinking was there, but neither here nor there. A fight just breaks out.

Natalie, Kristen, Johnny, Tara, everybody's up in arms about who's going to get this antidote. We end up getting up to a point where Natalie just takes it for herself, yanks it out of Tara's hands. Johnny ends up reaching across and giving it back over to Kristen. Kristen doesn't really want it. And it's just a complete free-for-all. The funny thing is, the people that ended up. up being the prime suspects, if you will, that one of the antidotes are the three that

Rina picked. So that ended up being very weird for very different reasons. Jam Jam's the only one that's kind of onto it where he's like, yeah, Lisa did something weird. We already think that she's a traitor. The other two were blaming Stephen. They were blaming Johnny. They were blaming Dorinda.

So it was really bizarre to see how this all played out where you could have had a free-for-all with the other faithfuls that didn't really do anything. Yeah. I know. It was such a sin. I was like, we were so close. but Natalie like she pissed me off so bad and I like Natalie from Survivor but I was like she was doing the absolute most in that situation and really did herself no favors no yeah Natalie was doing

so much she was just very much me me me which again when you're going for an antidote or you're going for a shield I get it a lot of them have said that if you're a faithful you just kind of have to play for the shield at all times unless there's an alliance break out this was a weird one to be going after an antidote and trying to reason for why you think when someone else down the table is saying no the same thing happened to me Stephen also had to be a plate and they just said you can't target multiple people for murder which was my big question if rinn is walking around and someone touches the amulet and then two seconds later another person touches the amulet what happens there i was thinking maybe they would break it down to a

short list it's always weird when this show in particular when you come up with a theory like that or you're thinking, how does the gameplay work when they're very clear in the rules, it almost never plays out the other way. It's almost like there's never a mistake. So it's almost weird in the sense of like it has to be an intention like, oh, yeah, Jam Jam, come touch my amulet, come fix the pin that's poking me. But if two seconds later, Tara Lipinski walks over and she's like, wow, I love this and strokes it, she's not actually up for murder.

And of course, they're not going to show that. So that was very interesting. But Jam Jam gets singled out after all the antidotes go away. And this was bizarre. I got to get your take on this. He's screaming. And it's very funny. The visuals of him getting yanked out of the chair were incredibly funny by a couple of henchmen,

just pulling him across the floor. But he's screaming. It's Lisa. Would you do this if you're a faithful that just got eliminated? I kind of don't think it's fair that they allowed him to do this. Right. I didn't love that. And I saw a lot of people online agreeing.

I think that was annoying from. from a production standpoint. Yeah, I guess since he had already said prior to the reveal, Oh, Lisa Kiss Me, I'm not like, I don't hold any ill will against him, but I wish the scenario had been different. And I think this is what I was expecting with the banquet. Like, it was very funny with the henchmen pulling him away and we had that moment. I kind of wish they'd like, turn the lights off or something and like grab Jam Jam,

and then like almost like put him on the table or like done something really. dramatic and then you would have not been able to get that moment and then we still could have had Natalie running around been like jam jam said Lisa kissed him and I think that would have made more I don't know more spice but yeah I'm a little bit annoyed with how that shook out yeah I agree with I don't think that they should be able to do that it's sort of like getting voted out at the round table and immediately putting some stink on someone else and there are very very clear rules when it comes to that. You can skirt around it.

I believe one of the UK trader seasons, someone was able to do that pretty masterfully and put the stink on an actual trader when there were traders infighting. But for something like this, it just seems bizarre. It almost seems like an oversight. Like, of course,

he's going to yell something. He's going to have some final words. And it's going to go against what everybody says. So I feel like it has to be clear and cut. You can't actually accuse anybody of doing anything after you've been announced to be murdered. Or it's almost like, have the henchmen come over

and put something over his mouth. Like I know it's theatrical and it's crazy, but like you said, throw him on the table, act like you're stabbing him in front of everybody. That could also be funny. A trap door would have been really funny. Any of those things probably would have worked out really well.

The way they ended up doing it, and it's not like he was able to flip it and put some stink on Candace, who doesn't really have anything on her. That would have sucked. At least he was going after someone who was already kind of public enemy number one and people were already suspecting Brina.

I think that either way she was going to go home, it was just a matter of time. But to do this and then obviously have that be the focal point, I'm surprised it played out the way that it did because at this point, we're split. He's yelling at Lisa. We already kind of have some suspicions of Lisa, but now we have to talk about Natalie.

And that seems like what everybody's talking about as we get to breakfast the next morning. I love that they start off breakfast with a trader meeting because it makes so much sense. They didn't get to meet in the turret to discuss anything. They went right from the round table where Rob actually voted for Lisa. into that where now Lisa's being blamed for the kiss, which she didn't do. I wish they would have revealed it was actually touching the amulet because I would have all of them to realize how fucking stupid they were. But instead, whatever.

But we do get a good traders meeting here. And this is the beginning. And this is what I don't want. And I think that I remember you saying this too, watching the traders invite, it just doesn't work. It's this early. I know it's like kind of the middle of the game, but it's still too early for this. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm disappointed with, you know, what happens. towards the end of this episode and kind of just the distrust because they had such a good foundation. And they were doing such a good job just like sticking all together. And it's getting

to the point now where they're almost, it almost seems like it's like a divided house where it's like Rob and his team of like the Coltons and the Erics and the Christens and then you have Candace with Tara and Johnny.

It almost seems like it's like getting a divide. now and I'm just like, oh, guys just stick together for like at least like one more roundtable. Yeah, I mean, that would be nice too. The scorebed app here with trusted stats and real-time sports news. Yeah, hey, who should I take in the Boston game? Well, statistically speaking. Nah, no more statistically speaking. I want hot takes. I want knee-jerk reactions. That's not really what I do.

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Comex Ontario.ca. But it's almost like this is a game within a game. And obviously, if you're going to be on a show like this and it's going to be more polarizing, I think later when they have the general public on, which I think is going to be airing next year, when they have the general public on, like a good rule of thumb, stick near people who are popular. And Rob's not doing that. he's actually just completely, he's committing double jeopardy.

He's going against the traitors and then he's actually sticking to public enemy for the audience, number one. Everybody hates Colton. Nobody wants to watch him anymore. And we have to watch Rob not only do the thing that we don't want him to do, which is betray Rina and Candace and then team up with the worst person in the castle. Like, he couldn't have made more wrong moves in my opinion. I thought maybe he would have had the fear of God as we go to his confessional,

just kind of talking about how hard it is to have. two storied housewives just bearing down on him. I thought maybe he'd be like, all right, yep, I get it. I'm going to take a step back. I'm not going to do anything. I'm going to be quiet, which Rina pleading for them to try to help. She understands that they can't outwardly help, especially with how much of the, of the focuses on her, but they can still do a couple of things here, throw some smoke bombs out there,

go after other people, suggest a couple other suspicious activities. It's just interesting to me the way that plays out. And of course, Colton, when everybody else comes back in, is saying in his confessional and in the group, I'm not going to say anything. I'm not taking any activities tonight. Of course he fucking does. Of course he does. You're coming off of a performance where you went after Rappaport. And yes, of course, Rappaport was an asshole while they were going back and forth.

He gets out. He's still a faithful. Like, let's not forget about that. You got a couple. You got Tiffany out. She was a faithful. All of the focus should be on him. He's whipping up votes.

you still have the Christens of the castle that are still kind of suspicious of them. But it is interesting to watch him just kind of like internally think, you know what? I've got a lot going on. There's a lot of heat on me. I'm going to back off. And then immediately just does the same shit that he's been doing. I cannot like people originally were kind of focusing on him like Sandoval. Sandival was fun.

Sandoval was a fucking idiot and he was goofy and he was enjoyable. I mean, we'll never get another moment like him doing reverse nursery rhymes at that weird cabin. It's just never going to happen again. I can't tell you one moment where it's like, oh, yeah, Colton actually had a good moment there. He's been playing a shit game and he's an absolute asshole. So I just, I need to get him off my screen. Yeah, no, I'm so glad you said that because I thought the same thing. The whole episode, I was like, I thought Colton was supposed to shut up.

Like, he's just being so, oh, my God, I can't stand him. He's absolutely brutal. But they find out that they've got themselves another mission. And before they get to the mission, you can see lines being drawn to the sand. they're talking about Lisa, they're talking about Natalie, and you see some groups starting to form up. The mission was kind of interesting. I thought that it was a little bit, I guess the way that it ends where you can kind of,

like, choose who you're going to give all of your gold to kind of works out. But I think it's a little weird to have a mission like this that's so heavily physical, running up a mountain with a weight. And you've got people in there like Dorinda, Candice, Lisa Rina, who are just not going to do it. Like Johnny Weir and Tyra Lipinski, yes, they are Olympic athletes. But we watch Johnny Weir just run around in a swamp looking for skulls for about 35 minutes and didn't find them. So it just seems like a little bit unbalanced. But it still kind of works out.

And this is where Rob is really starting to get on my nerves because he's going from confessional to running on the trail with Colton. They're so buddy, buddy. I get if you're trying to do the Boston Rob thing last year with Dylan Efron, I'm just going to keep him alone. He's a good faithful. He takes a lot of the slack. I'm going to bring him until the end with me. That's okay. If he went to his confessional and said,

I'm intending on bringing him to the end so I can burn him, fine, completely cool. But instead he's going to his confessional. He's like, this is my best friend. Like, we're boys now. Like, we're going to hang out in Alabama. Like, what are we doing here? Yeah.

No, I completely agree. And I think that was just like what was so fascinating to me. It's like, if Rob had to vote for Lisa, because, you know, that was just where the votes are going, fine. But he like really targeted Lisa. And it almost like I don't want to make it seem like it was personal, but like they had a good report going. You know, they killed Rob C. together.

And it just seemed so outwardly aggressive in a way of like he was Lisa's number one up in this whole, honestly last episode in this episode. Like he was going to do anything he could to get rid of Lisa. And I just don't really get it. I don't, it seemed like there was already natural heat on her and he could have continued to play as slick under the radar game without totally having to get rid of her. I think it was obviously going to happen naturally on its own. And it was weird to me.

I didn't understand it. No, I fully agree with you. I feel like even if you look at it just from a gameplay semantics, he's been playing this behind the scenes, very quiet, calm, cool, and collected guy. Sure, you might be buddy, buddy, with the Coltons of the house, whatever. but for him to one set his sights on Lisa, traitor infighting, bad, and then also double down and be aggressive, much like Colton's been this whole season,

it's going to put more on you. Like this is very weird for you to just turn in the middle of the season and say, I have to go after Lisa. It's almost like, if you just keep doing the same thing and you say things like, well, you know, I'll kind of vote with the house because I'm kind of torn,

I don't really know who's a traitor, but I'm going to see and I'm going to listen to everything and just through all that bullshit. That's fine. but for him to be on this trail walking with Colton and saying like, I need to get that dagger because I can't have somebody with two votes in this house that's an idiot and they're not going to vote for Lisa. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Like to turn, like I understand if you want to just sacrifice a traitor because there's too much heat on her. I get that. I do. I understand that I don't think there's so much heat on Lisa that she's absolutely going to go and tear everything down with her. I don't think you need to burn her that quickly. You can keep her going and just keep the focus on the round table.

on and on and on until it's a split vote. Like you can have a split vote where you've got Natalie going out tonight and Lisa loses by a vote. That buys you another day of roundtable access. Like it doesn't it's so stupid. The way he's playing the game now is so stupid. It's not just because he's friends with Colton, but that certainly doesn't help. Yeah. No, I completely agree.

I it's really like bothering me a lot. Yeah. So hopefully we, uh, we get a good end to that one. But at the end of the mission, we get to the top of the hill, as I said before, we've got a bunch of people just kind of putting all their gold in other people's pots. And Colton's got his eye on Lisa. Like, why would Lisa give her gold to see? Shut up.

That means nothing. It absolutely means nothing. Everyone else is doing it. All the other women and the people who are in the back, they're all kind of like doubling up. They're dumping their gold in other people's buckets to try to get their votes, to try to sway their opinion. That's how this game works. Don't keep your eye on Lisa, you weirdo.

But anyway, we get to the end. And I like this. I think it was a cool little twist where Rob has the most gold and he gets to look the other five in the eye and ask them if they have the dagger on their little chalkboard in front of them just to try to be a human lie detector, as he says. I love his approach because it is very much like I watched Law and Order SVU like two or three times so I can tell who's lying. What's your favorite color? Where are you from? Do you have the dagger? Like I can see the little ticks in your faces you're going.

You can't see shit. He ends up getting it right because Natalie had the dagger. And it's more just he's Natalie's tell was very obvious. I mean, if you're sitting at home, you can tell immediately just based on how everybody was answering. I mean, Stephen was shaking his head the whole time. No, no, nope, nope, nope. You get to Natalie and she's got a smile on her face. It's like, okay, that was pretty obvious.

And she probably wants Rob to have the dagger, so that's okay too. But he gets to use this dagger at any of the next four roundtables. When he's talking after this, I am just like screaming at the TV. I thought he was going to use it on Lisa tonight. Like that is ridiculous if you do that. That's the stupidest move that you could possibly do. He doesn't do it, thank God. But we get back to the castle and more lines are being formed as we see alliances being

formed in the kitchen and in the study. And the first alliance that we hear is Candace, trying to just throw some things out there. Let's focus on Natalie. If we get seven people, we should be able to get. get her out and then at least we'll know her behavior last night was very weird i think it's a good approach because it's not going after someone random you're not looking like who's blending into the shadows who's doing this or that they're not really talking about anything else like the murder in

plain sight really which is bizarre like maybe try to talk more about what lisa did instead of focusing on did she kiss him did she not kiss him i think that was kind of stupid like maybe open it up for a discussion like what else did you guys see now that we're a day later what else did you guys see at the table let's talk about the cards let's talk about the meat let's talk about the seating arrangements like anything and instead you can see them they're just so single-minded like we got to focus on this kiss and we got to focus on natalie lashing out to get that antidote i think it's really stupid to play that way yeah what did you think about rob revealing to every the the group that he had the dagger do you think that was smart i think it was smart uh now obviously the six of them

do know exactly who has the dagger. I think it's not much different than getting a shield and hiding it. Like I think it was the second mission that they did with the chariots. If you get a shield, you don't have to tell anybody that you have a shield, whatever. Those are the types of things that kind of just go into gameplay. I'm okay with him forming his own alliance.

Yeah. But he's only doing that because he knows that the traitors are going to come after him because he's going after a traitor. So I get the gameplay. I think it's the smartest move that he could make in that moment for his own self-preservation. but again, you should be in the back of your mind going to your confessional at the very least. It's almost like he flipped his gameplay. He should be going to the confessional saying, when I meet up with Rine and Candace later,

obviously I'm going to tell them I have the dagger so we can use that to our advantage to save someone because we want to make sure that all three of us are around. But instead, he's just immediately flipped into, well, it's just me against everybody. And I don't really care for that. Yeah, I don't, I can't remember if he said this in the actual show or if it was in like a press interview. I think it was the show where he's like actually kind of playing as a faithful. Like he it's almost like he's gaslit himself into thinking he's a faithful. Like he really has no allegiance right now to the traders at all.

It's like a faithful like Stockholm syndrome. Like yeah, he's completely he's got he's got Munchausens but for faithfuls. Like he's convinced fully that he's a faithful because he's been role playing it for so long. Look, I applaud that kind of effort. That's that type of that acting that we love that Daniel Day Lewis would be proud of But at the same time, you can't just hurt on the traitors because you think you're a faithful. That's just stupid. Yeah, it is.

Like the way, and I also never understand this, but if you're going to go on a game show, like maybe watch a season and understand what's going on. We haven't seen a whole lot of that pretty much since Rob C called out the murder in plain sight during the Congo line. Everything else is like, you know that they're going to add another traitor at some point, right? and you're going to be able to choose who's going to have, like you would just imagine there would be some planning ahead, but there's not really much planning ahead going on there. And he's grouping people up.

And him and Colton, Colton's not doing a ton of talking. He's mostly grouping people up to go after Lisa. Yeah. Why he's deciding to do this now, we already talked about very stupid. But you can see that there's two factions being formed. It really just comes down to who's going to handle themselves the best of the roundtable.

And that's pretty much what we get into right away, because we're sitting at that roundtable. and we're discussing Lisa immediately. Well, we got to talk about you, Lisa. Jam, jam called you out. What's going on? And the way we move around this table is crazy because it's between Lisa and Natalie.

And you have some people who have designated that they're going to vote for Natalie. And you have a lot of people that have designated they're going to vote for Lisa. The big sway once again was Robb speaking up for the first time. He has only spoken up when he corrected Michael on his grammar. That's the only time he's spoken

at the round table, but to then sit there and go fully after Lisa is crazy to me. Yeah, I was so upset. I was like, damn, he really just jammed the nail in her coffin. I mean, I also have to say, like, I personally didn't think Lisa was doing the best job, um, unfortunately lying. I think she could have just continued to have been like, okay, let's say I, let's, I don't understand why she was so hard on defending that she didn't kiss him. I think she could have, it would have been better if she'd been like, yeah, I did kiss him.

That doesn't mean that I killed him. I kissed a bunch of you. And I think that would have been a better play. Instead, it was just denied, deny, deny. And it was not really, I don't know. I wish, but she was kind of, she was backed up into a corner for sure. But yeah, Rob really sealed her fate. Yeah, Rob, Rob,

her fate pretty quickly there. But I agree with you. I think that this is a moment where, and it's very easy to say this from the outside looking in, I mean, all of us think that we'd be great traders or great faithfuls if we were on this show. That's just kind of, it comes up the territory. But watching Lisa just kind of frantically focus, and they're all focused on the kiss, which again, is very stupid. But for Lisa to then just say, like, you're not going to get anywhere. You're not going to move anybody by saying, well, I kissed all of you, or I didn't kiss him or I Eric kissed him. Like, it's just all very weird.

And no one's able to really corroborate your story because no one was really watching except for Mara who chimes in and says, well, I saw you actually kiss him. And I said, well, thank God. I hope she doesn't come over and kiss me because I don't want her makeup on me. Okay, fine, Mara, whatever. But at the same time, if you're Lisa, you should be doing the, why are we so focused on the kiss when it could have been anything? We had a very small discussion about serving meat.

We had a small discussion about the seating arrangements, the cards. Why are we not looking further into that? Why are you guys just so hellbent on going after me? Because Jam Jam was yelling me. He didn't know that I did anything. He didn't know anything. He was just screening that from the top of his lungs. He could have been wrong.

And what? You're going to get a faithful out because some guy who got eliminated is going to be wrong. It doesn't make a ton of sense. Yeah. And she could have also pushed the narrative that Natalie was sitting next to Jam Jam at the dinner. And it would have been really easy for her to do something. We don't see it all. But yeah, I was bummed that.

One, her defense wasn't that great, but that two, Rob just capitalized and just completely finished her off. Yeah. And I don't even think that Rob needed to do that. It's again, he's not thinking that far ahead. Even if you get Lisa out, how are you going to handle with Candace? Like, you have to get Candace out now. Like, that's the only option unless you're able to really explain away what you

haven't been able to do so far, even when you voted for Lisa, what it didn't really matter. You're not going to be able to explain to Candace why it was important to get Lisa out. Like, it doesn't make any sense. There's no connection between you and Lisa, Candace and Lisa. You're still protecting the traders by not saying anything. Like you can vote for anyone at this point. And instead, he decides to double and triple down to really make sure that she gets out of here. And I don't get it.

It's not like Lisa ever showed any sort of idea that maybe she'd be going after Rob because he voted for her. Like she was just trying to get him to understand why that's a bad idea. So was Candace. And then we can move forward from there. But instead, it's almost like, again, self-preservation. And he's like, I don't know what to do. I, she's going to come after me. And I got to get her out of it.

Like, why is he thinking like that? I don't understand it. I had this thought before we started recording too. At this point, Rob has kind of cemented himself as such a trophy faithful between being really great of challenges and now speaking up and defending Colin with the rapaport thing. I would start wondering, why hasn't he been murdered yet? Like he's such a clear person in my eyes, if I'm a faithful, being like, all right, well, Rob is definitely 100% faithful. Why wouldn't the traders just kill him?

It's an easy person. I don't know if anyone's thinking like that, but that's what I would start to be thinking at this point. Yeah, and they're thinking that about like Kristen and Johnny and Tara, the people who aren't speaking up a whole lot. I love the Durinda's part of this. Dorinda is becoming the new Dolores where she's voting just because she doesn't agree with someone and as we go around the round table. With Amex Platinum, $400 in annual credits for travel and dining means you not only satisfy your travel bug, but your taste buds too.

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So that's at least a smart move by him because that would have been very stupid. And she, I don't even want to say Natalie or Rob were really able to sway the votes. It seemed like everybody's reasoning for voting for Lisa was her defense. Like you didn't really defend yourself that well. You didn't bring any new evidence. You were just kind of pointing the finger back at Natalie. it's not going to fly around here. And as we go around the table, we get to Dorinda, who voted for Mara for no reason,

which was incredible to me. And her reasoning was, well, I just feel like you speak up and talk about someone else every time that we're at a round table. And it made no sense to me at all. But that's just kind of where Durinda found herself. I don't think she expected to get this far, especially after last year. The question I have for you is, what do you make of Candace just outwardly voting for Rob? I understand she wanted to send a message to Rob like, hey,

don't fucking do this. I see what you're doing over there and I will come for you. But to do it in front of everybody when no one's voting for Rob, it was kind of interesting to me. It almost wants other people to make it pass

or take a look at Candace over there in the corner. Yeah, I think it was a bad move. I think Candice did two bad things. It was one, she was really defending Lisa. And then two, doing this vote. I think both just, made her look really suspicious.

If she was gonna choose to not vote out Lisa, regardless, I think she should have done it from more of a Derinda angle of just voting for someone like an Eric, a Kristen and Johnny. Like, there's honestly so many options and just being like, I'm not gonna vote for a housewife and I don't think you're a traitor. Or at that point, just double down.

You see Tara still voted for Natalie. Her and Candace are buddy-buddy. She could have. I don't really understand it. I think it would have been smarter for her not to directly go after Rob and try to see if she could be fake with Rob and be like, you know, Rob, you did what you had to do. And then kind of secretly plant seeds behind his back. I think it was very outwardly like, okay, I'm going to come after you right now. And I don't know if she has the footing to do that. I don't know if she has enough people behind her that she's going to be able to sway for him. I think she should have waited a little longer, but we'll see how it plays out.

Yeah, I fully agree with that. I think it was a silly move to just outwardly vote for him. I don't know with this crew. We haven't really seen them pick up on the little things that are happening around the castle. They're not focused on anything. It seems like walking out. We're not getting any chatter. Why did you vote for Rob?

Like somebody made a joke. Like, why did you vote for Rob? But it's like, I didn't know who to vote for. I knew he wasn't getting any votes. He kind of threw me off. And I don't like him going after Housewives. So now we've got Candace kind of doubling down on the Housewives, don't vote for housewives thing, which is smart.

But you should have voted for Natalie probably at the same time, especially since you were the ringleader going for that. Nobody would expect anything. It's almost like she's asking for it just so she can send a message to Rob in that moment, which maybe it'll work. Maybe it won't work. But that's kind of where we leave things walking around the castle after that vote. We've got a very, very contentious turret meeting coming up.

And you've got Candace and Rob just kind of putting seeds out there. Like, no, I got an eye on Candace. I'm just talking to other people. Will Rob and Colton be able to go after Candice now? We've got Colton sitting down. I forget exactly who Colton was talking to. I try not to pay attention to him when he's on screen. He sat down with one-on-one with someone at the end talking about who he thinks he's going to go after.

I think it was Stephen that he wanted to go after. Yes. And then like him in the bar being like, I took down Lisa Renna. Like, shut the fuck up. No, you didn't. Like, you literally did not. Like, Rob took down Lisa Rina. And what happened to you taking a step back?

Like, he's just so arrogant and obnoxious. I'm just, I can't stand him. No, I absolutely can't stand him. I do not want to see any more of his outfits. I do not find them funny anymore. I like to laugh at him, not with him. That's for damn sure. But I don't know where that's going to stand.

I really do hope for enjoyability reasons, he's out very quickly. Because if we're still in this damn thing, there's only like five or six people left. and he's still in it, I'm going to be furious. And this is not a rewatchable season as long as you don't have to watch him. Yeah. I'm nervous that something's going to happen where Rob recruits him. I really hope not.

But I've been seeing that online a little bit, too, of like this idea that him and Rob are going to be traitors together and make it to the end. And I sure is how I hope not. I, that would be the dumbest move possible, I think, because he's such. and outwardly spoken faithful, Colton is, that if you tried to bring him in, people are going to focus on him. And he's not smart enough to be able to handle that. He would not be able to switch roles that quickly.

All of a sudden, he would take a back seat or he would keep doing what he's doing, but he would times it by 10. And that would even, it would just be even more apparent of what he's doing. So hopefully that's not what he does, but that really only plays out if Rob is able to get Candace out and then recruit. Then he can do whatever the hell he wants.

If he's in that turret with Candace trying to, recruit someone. We're going to have a similar situation that we had last year with Danielle in Boston Rob where we're looking at people who we can add to the mix. And immediately you've got them just kind of infighting. Like, all right, well, I have to get him out first and then I can focus on who I'm going to recruit. That's kind of what we're coming into, which I guess if you're a gamer or if you're a fan of the gamers, this is probably the best case scenario for you because they tried something different. They threw the reality TV stars in there and just decided maybe we won't have traitor infighting this year. Nope. It's going to have

regardless of what happened. So I don't know, but I'll tell you one thing. We're going to have Bran on again and again for the rest of the season because he's just such a delight and it's always great to have you on, Bram. Thanks, Shooter. I'm excited to see how the rest of this plays out. Absolutely. Well, thanks guys for listening. Brob Bros are out here. Have a great weekend. From the darkest corners of our imagination comes a game show that's more ridiculous than terrifying. Welcome to Tickled to Death, the horror comedy game show where nothing is sacred, everything's a little unhinged, and the only thing more cursed than the questions are the jokes. I'm Roz Hernandez, your fearless host, and each week I'll be leading a brave group of guests through twisted horror trivia, improv games, and enough sarcastic banter to make you question all your life.

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