Bros & Shows - No Robe For Stacey, No Love For Angel, No Patience For Keiarna (RHOP Full Recap)

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

What's up Bros? The ladies of RHOP are headed to Nevis, but not before hitting up the Preakness. Kei gets into it with Jassi at Preakness. Angel is complaining that the ladies arent doing enough to get to know her. Gizelle continues to be hyper critical of Stacey and it's not her fault shes a star. In Nevis, things get interesting when Stacey gets shaded by Gizelle, and Jassi is a surprise guest on the trip... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, I feel like you dressed up for the occasion, dressing as Angel's luggage today. That was very smart of you. Make sure that you do not go to the same islands because you won't be allowed there. Or you'll go to jail. Bros and shows. I got to have me my Bros and shows.

Bros and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my Bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Neve Shooter Skooter. Sure. We'll go with that. I like it. Well, I mean, as you mentioned in the beginning, you've got some notes. I feel like I had some notes last week. Very similar notes I would gather,

as we tend to think the same things on the same wavelength. The funny thing is, I've moved off of my notes. So I'm happy that you're able to just fill that position that I left behind, fill the void, if you will. And I'm just going to give you the floor. What are your notes? Well, I was going to, you know, lay them out as we went. No, it's okay. No, I want to hear your notes right now. You're putting me on the spot. This is uncomfortable.

You have a notebook in your hand. Am I putting you on the spot? Well, then I start reading all of my notes and I'm like, well, is that the one I want to talk about? Or is this one? God, I'm panicking. I'm going to throw out. No. My notes are just this.

I think that overall, I like what we're seeing. There's a lot of positive here. There's a lot of good things happening with some of the newcomers. I think that a lot of the cast is doing their job well. I think that we are trying to produce too many dramatic moments. And I think that there's one culprit behind that who is Kiarna. I'll just say that there. And then on top of that, this gang up bullying that we're seeing on Stacy needs to stop.

That is, that is tired. It is tired. I do think, and I watch, watch what happens live afterwards, just to see what Stacey said, because I think Stacey's a star. She's a great sport, too, and she takes all the shit in stride. She really does. She just lets it roll off because it is childish at the end of the day. There's nothing really that deep, and they keep trying to press her for it as if it's a really deep conversation. It's not even as deep as the bullshit that we saw in O.C. with Katie.

Like, it's not even remotely as close to that. It's about her own private life, her own personal life. Are there some inconsistency, sure. There's inconsistencies with all of you across the board, and you don't have the same energy. So why would you think that this is going to be more entertaining for us to watch? Instead, what they're doing is they're bullying Stacey into being a fan favorite. That's what we're seeing right now. We all are now backing Stacey because we think it's bullshit.

My problems have moved on to more specific problems after this episode. We now have a better idea of our newbies, which is great. I think Tia is incredible. I think they completely missed the mark with Angel. And I don't know if that's an Angel problem or a Potomac. problem. Not really sure who to blame yet, but I'll figure that one out over the next couple of episodes. And I think that they should have put Jazzy as the main person instead of Kiara. And I know why they did it. They did it for Kearna. It's almost just like penance for

putting her through what she had to go through with Ashley's friend. Now here you go. Here's your flute fun. I get it. I understand it, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense because if we're doing a whole trip and one of the main components of this trip is to celebrate Jazzy and have a Bachelorette party for her, but she's a friend of and not even like an announced friend of, just a friend of surprise friend of. Yeah, like what are we doing here? It feels like the women on the show kind of understood that she should be in that place and she's still got a good spot on the show.

And she does a really good job of kind of just clapping back, just kind of taking what's given to her from the rest of the ladies and being able to clap back with something a little bit more interesting, further in the topic. Kiarne is forcing everything. And I said this last week. she's going to obviously get some sort of benefit of the doubt, which I don't think she deserves because of what Wendy's doing right now. If this didn't come out about Wendy, everybody would still be sitting here like, what are we doing?

Instead, you're going to get at least like 20, 25% of the people that are watching saying Kearnah was right the whole time. She wasn't. She was forcing an issue on Wendy for no reason. She doesn't even really have an issue with Wendy. She's just fabricating the whole thing. So it's just really stupid. but with Angel she's just her personality doesn't work for this show you can tell right away

we don't really see a newbie get rattled that quickly and she just seems like she doesn't even know how to be in a group of women be on a girl's trip like we didn't see that before I haven't been on a girl's trip before I'm really excited to go on this trip bam right over the head but they come back I don't see Angel coming back it seems like she's so out of her comfort zone that it's not going to be good to watch and then she's going to just I don't know try to overcompensate with something else it's not going to hit yeah and i i think you're right about angel at least from what we've seen thus far it's still early but we're seeing things out of angel that you don't really see out of newcomers or housewives in general and there's there's a cause for pause if you will now with the

kiana stuff i agree with you she is trying to force everything and i think a really good point you made is that we're not getting into like serious shit across the board though that's not just Kearna like yeah every single sit down that we have somebody is forcing something out to talk about and a lot of the times it's like why are we wasting time on this and it feels like we're trying to one up the other person now everyone's bringing something to the table and it's like whoa whoa whoa we don't need everybody to have a problem with everybody and we don't need to do this every time that the groups together yeah but it does it feels almost like we're trying to And again, I'm enjoying the season for the most part.

These are just my notes. But it feels like we're trying to get too clicky. It feels like if you're not part of a certain group, then you're just getting not just made fun of, but it's very condescending. Like if you're outside of that core crew right now, the tone in which the women are talking, like Wendy obviously is incredibly condescending.

That's kind of always been her thing. It's always been her MO, yeah. Right. Like as soon as she gets pressed about something, goes to the doctor wendy talk and it's like oh well let me just purport this to you i'm going to purport this to you and then with ashley you're getting the ashley and joselle it's like the you're laughing while saying something but you're not actually laughing the laugh is more condescending than if you're just a dick about it so those things i don't love because especially with potomac in

general when potomac got clicky it got really fucking bad we saw that three years ago four years ago the green-eyed bandits of it all, you know, it was a disaster. That season, we didn't finish the nexus season. Like, we didn't finish that season. So again, I think we're fine. This is not a reason to like panic and abandon ship yet. But we do need to start neutralizing some of this bullshit. Because if it continues like this, it's going to get very tiring very quickly.

It definitely is. And I do think that the saving grace right now, is Stacy. I don't really think there's much more to look at. And I do Jazzy honestly. Jazzie honestly stepped in somewhat big. I who saw that one coming. I do, I agree with you. I think that Giselle is who Giselle has always been. And I think that last year was an anomaly. I think that she stepped into the Karen role and she really liked it. But what she feels most comfortable doing is teaming up with somebody else and going after somebody for absolutely no reason. Like the fact that her and Ashley are still on the Stacey thing is

beyond me. And all I can really come up with is you guys aren't main characters. You guys are those good second tier housewives that always have some sort of issue with another housewife. But it's okay because there's enough going on with the main housewives. Now that you're stepping into that role and they think that they belong in that role, they're still doing the same shit. Like you do have to evolve past that. You can't be part of the green eyed bandits. And actually, you can't stand on anything and tell people what to do about a divorce or say that they're lying about anything. You're just one, you're not that interesting. And two, where are you coming from with all of this?

We had to watch you go through 10 years of a divorce. So enough. Just try to find a new niche, try to find a new space for yourself when it comes to Ashley, where, yeah, you can be messy. The first couple of seasons that she was on, she was incredibly messy and she did a good job. And I'm not even just talking about her crazy ex-husband.

I'm talking about how she handled things. Now it seems like she just has this air about her where she just feels like she's better than everybody else. And I don't know if it's because of the money that she got or because she's just been on the show for so long, that she feels like she can do that. Or if it's just being empowered by Giselle, because Giselle's the only person that's really, like, sticking by her. And the only click that's really here right now is Giselle and Ashley.

And I'm worried that it's going to turn into a, well, if we're not good with Giselle and Ashley, then we're going to be on the outs with everybody. And I hope that other people can step up. Stacey clearly doesn't give a shit about that. I'm hoping Tia can step into that role. I know it's a lot to ask of a newbie, but I could see her doing it. And then Kiorna just needs to back off. Like, she's just sitting there looking at anybody. And if you make eye contact with her, she has a problem.

with you and it's getting really old really fast yep and i mean that's what i was alluding to with the clickiness so you see it as well i think that next episode is going to be a big one just to see where we're going next and i think hopefully we're set up to clear a lot of things up because they decided to bring up everything this episode yeah so if we can make some amends get some cordiality with some of these ladies they don't have to be friends but we need to start moving forward to other things because we're just we're spinning our wheels right now but anyway let's get into it we start out in the sprinter van picking up from everywhere last week and stacy's a star she's a star even in this scene in her confessional because kiarna is doing

the thing now where it's like you're just near me so now i'm annoyed by you and she's like oh like i hate the way you breathe like that kind of shit and literally pretty much yeah what did she actually says you're trying yeah you're trying to put your hair on me but it wasn't like a I'm annoyed with you type of way. It was a you're trying to be nice to me by putting your hair on me. What does that even mean? Like even she doesn't. Oh, I thought it was her being like, stop touching me with your hair.

Stop touching me with your hair. It was. But then she said, oh, yeah, you think that we're all buddy, buddy now. Like, we're not. It's like she, I feel like it would be disrespectful if she was putting her hair on you, not buddy, buddy, but I don't know. You don't really know what you're saying anymore. I think you're just angry at everybody. And a great example is when they get to the preekness, she's handing out 20s to everybody.

And she's like, and you get less, Stacy. And I'm like, that. it's too much there's just too much happening that she's trying to be impressive to jazelle and ashley that's what i'm getting from it yeah that's that's a good way to put it and then wendy and josell are talking and she says to josell you know say my name to angel she'll talk about me for seven minutes now we do know that they got into it a little bit at the uh the pre preakness party but then wendy pulls something out and we knew that she had it in there every time that she says like Oh, I don't know her.

We just went to school. Or if they're somehow acquaintances in any way, shape, or form, there's going to be a little something in there that she's going to pull out. And she does. She's like, well, I heard she didn't graduate. Something transpired and she left. We didn't get any more information. I'm hoping we do get more information.

But the one interesting thing that doesn't tell me like, oh, God, she didn't graduate college. Jiselle said, well, I thought she graduated online. So that would still be in keep. with Wendy's story because she says she left. Maybe she completed her degree at a later date on the computer. I don't really know. But this was the first thing that was brought up. And there's a lot more stuff that is brought up throughout this episode where I'm like,

okay, we can't just list every single issue you've had, even if it's something as small as somebody looked at you a weird way. But this is kind of what sets the table for that. It's got to be organic at this point. Like you can't just start listing out things that you've noticed about someone. one. And that seems to be what they're doing. It's just a very boring way to bring up things. Like, I don't think that any of these are really an issue. I mean, to be honest, I think that the whole Temple University thing is complete bullshit to begin with. Wendy graduated in 06, Angel graduated

in 09. That tells me there's a three year difference. Why would they know each other? How many people go to Temple? Like, 10,000 a class? Like, are we being serious at this point? 10,000 a class? No way. 40,000? There's probably close to 40,000. I would say, 23. Total for all four, fine, whatever. Even still, even that number. Like, it's still like, what, 6,500 a class for undergrad. Do I know anybody that I went to college with that was three years younger than me,

other than maybe looking at their LinkedIn and being like, oh, wow, they went to the same school as me? Fuck no. I have no idea. Greek life, fine. I kind of understand, but it's just such a non-issue. And I, one, I don't really like that Giselle keeps painting it like, oh, yeah, you guys went to school together. They didn't. They were three years apart. They didn't go to school together.

So enough of that. Yeah, Jeffrey Dahmer went to Ohio State. I didn't go to school with Jeffrey Dahmer. You said that, not me. I didn't bring that one up. But the rumor is they walled his dorm room off. Sorry, I interrupted you. I think mostly like the overview is, I think it's really stupid. It is just not, it's not a storyline. It's nothing at all. It was potentially maybe, and now that we know more about Angel, it was potentially a footnote that they could have. had a conversation like oh my god do you know this person do you know that like think about how normal people operate oh you went to temple two what years you graduate cool do you know this person you were involved in greek life do you know this person oh my god that's so much fun it's a very

boring three minute conversation talking about people that you don't actually hang out with anymore and then you move on and that's about it why are we trying to make this more than what it is it's just very stupid and again with angel now knowing what i know about angel yeah we were never going to get there. We were never going to have a normal conversation because she's incapable of having a normal conversation with somebody. It's wild. It's incredibly fascinating to watch. No matter what the premise is or the setup to the conversation, there's always an issue with the conversation. We'll talk more about that later. Let's get to lunch because Ashley gets a gentleman's number at the bar and we have some questions about Josh. And she already talked about

this a little bit. They're not exclusive or anything like that. They're quote unquote figuring things out. Josh would like to be exclusive. Josh would definitely want to be exclusive. He wants to be exclusive more than that. He might even cut his hair just to be exclusive. That's how much he cares. That guy.

But this is a good example of bringing something up organically. And who does it? Stacey, our MVP thus far. Because this was a setup to get to Giselle so that she could ask her about her man that she allegedly has this ex-NFL player. And she's like, what about you? You know, you got a boyfriend? And she's like, oh, no, I'm single.

Why are you asking? She's like, oh, I just have never asked you about your love life before. I was like, okay, you're playing the game. I like to see it. She's playing the game and she's also pointing it out to the audience because we know that. Jazele doesn't talk about her love life anymore since pretty much we saw, what the fuck was his name? It was on Winterhouse, Jason.

Oh, Jason. We've got nothing. I mean, Love Hotel doesn't count. But we've got nothing on Jaze's love life. And here she is going on dates all along. And she's talking to, who is she talking to? Kearnah about her whole love life and she's got four guys on her roster. We don't really hear anything about that.

It's very private. And look, that's your prerogative. You're on a show in which you're supposed to show everything. But you've been on this show long enough. I'll give you a bit of a pass. But it shouldn't be that weird of a question if somebody on the show is asking you about your love life. I mean, that goes to show you how much she doesn't talk about it. The fact that she's still taken aback by, like, well, whoa, you don't ask me that.

We don't talk about that here. You don't ask me any questions, to be honest, that's what I'm going to. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's even funnier that they're able to, like, completely portray, okay, so he's bald, yes, chocolate, yes. Both of her exes are both bald and chocolate. So clearly she has a type. Yep. And I know I said that Wendy teed up the, okay, we're just going to bring up stupid shit.

It gets much worse because then Ashley brings up the fact that Tia called her rude. I'm like, oh, when did this happen? And in what context? They were all shopping together. Jiselle picked up the phone. It was Ashley on speaker. And if you're on camera, you know the phone's on speaker. So you know that everybody's there.

And she invites Wendy and Giselle to come over and hang out with her to go shopping or do something while Tia standing there, which is rude. That is rude. So Tia says very one off real quick. That was rude. No problem. No issues. I agree. You're right. You know what she's doing. This is intentional. She wanted you to hear that. And she explains what tongue in cheek means. It means it's not that serious. Nobody needed to explain that. That is one of those phrases where I think anybody would, it would look like you were having a hard time explaining it. But I think that everybody would be so taken aback while trying to explain it. Like really, you don't know what this means. What the fuck are we doing here? And I thought that her recovery to that was, incredible. It was impeccable because Ashley is bewildered by what tongue and cheek means because she wants it to be messy. She wants it to be like, oh, you were talking shit. You were being shady. Why don't you just say it like chin checked? No, yeah, she wants it to be like chin checked. I think

that might actually be the motif for this season. Everybody wants to match the same energy of getting chin checked, which I don't really understand why we wouldn't just move on from that, but here we are. And instead, T is able to just explain it in a different way. I don't really understand what you're getting here. She understands where Ashley's, where Ashley's attitude is coming from. Her behavior is starting to change. She feels like she has Tia, which is insane to me that she feels like she's got her. And now she's going to start like blubbering around and like not understand what's going on. Maybe she's been dealing with Angel a little bit too much. But instead, Tia responds with, what do you mean you don't understand that? Keep up. Keep up, I thought was so

fucking funny. And it was such a good like bop in the head. And Ashley didn't know how to react to that. And instead of just backing off and being like, you know what? Me saying keep up was rude. She goes right back at her. And she goes, I've already spoken about this. I don't know what you're struggling with. And now it's just completely in Ashley's court, which I think is so funny. And that's what I want more of.

Ashley is not that conniving. Ashley is not that smart. We've seen her do a bunch of dumb shit and not understand what's going on. She's found this little hole where she's able to just kind of like crawl into. She can make shady comments. Jizel has her back. But Jaze doesn't really have her back. right now. She kind of wants to assess. And if we know Giselle, she's sitting here watching a newbie

saying, all right, let's see what you're capable of. Let's see what kind of formidable opponent you might be in the future. You can go ahead, have that Ashley. She bopped her again. That was incredible. It was so good. And the way that she does it is it's not enough to like really rile Ashley up. But at the same time, that's all you have to do with Ashley is have a good solid counterpoint and then just give the ball back to her. Make her do something with it. The only thing she could come up with is to mock your accent, which is, didn't land at all. No, it never lands. That's always the last stage effort that just never lands.

Correct. And that's when she drops the struggling line and explains, and this is Ashley's biggest problem, honestly, is when she gets stuck on something, if she doesn't get the reaction she wants, then she asks again, or she rephrases how she's saying it, because she just brings up, well, you try to throw shade at me and say that. She's like, dude, I apologized, okay? I meant the apology. If you want to accept the apology, great.

Or you can just keep digging like you're doing, but I'm not going to get down and play dirty with you. I was like, that's exceptional work. And I believe you. I don't think that you're going to keep reacting to anything she's saying. And the best thing that she did, this is masterful work,

is then diffuses because she's like, you know what, I am actually, though, upset with you because I didn't get like one butt pinch or anything like that. And Giselle said, you were going to fancy me. What that does is not,

wipe the slate clean. It just tables the fact that you guys have a little bit of an issue, but now you have the power back. You took the ball from Ashley and then you ended the game. It was exceptional. Saying what I was saying about Giselle just kind of sitting there just watching, just being a spectator just to see what you got here with Tia. By doing that, it changes the complete, the direction of the show, the direction of the episode, because it could have gotten a lot messier. And we've seen that before when things don't diffuse that quickly, and this was a non-issue. This wasn't something that we should have really dealt to deep into. Most of this shit are non-issues. Perfect. Yeah, pretty much none of this shit is a not issue or all of this

shit is not issue rather. But this is one of those situations where this was the perfect way to diffuse it. Do a little bit of lighthearted humor, a little bit of fun. Like, you know what? I do actually have a problem with you. Oh, fuck. Are we getting deeper? No, actually, I just thought that you were going to fancy me and I didn't even get a butt pinch. Perfect. Everybody laughs. Everybody now understands like, cool, we can move on. And it's not going to be something that we're just going to weigh on. Maybe it weighs on Ashley. Maybe Ashley's not thinking twice before she speaks. That's fine.

That's exactly what I wanted last week. This week, she responds or recovers from that. But Tia, that was a great job. Master, master class, honestly. It was very well done. And then jazzy joins. Now, the jazzy I remember was not this jazzy. And it's almost like, obviously, we put a lot of emphasis on the offseason,

especially for newcomers. It's time to, you know, train, watch tape, get better, figure out what you're going to do next year because the sophomore season is always usually the most difficult one. We get a lot of sophomore slumps with newcomers. It's almost like Jazzy and Kiarna went two completely different directions on what to do next season. Kiarna is like, I'm going to ramp it up, I'm going to get involved, I'm going to bring shit to the table, I'm going to start some feuds, I'm going to show them that I can stand on my own two feet and I'm not going to take any shit jazzy she went watched the tape and said you know what I'm bringing the energy I'm gonna be fun as shit I'm gonna get everyone to like me I'm gonna be upbeat I'm gonna be a good time and that's my angle because I have to counter or

sorry come back from the darius shit from last season which bogged her down a little bit because it's just easy ammo for the rest of the ladies but she came in with a really good vibe and everyone's fucking with her I was too it was like I was jazz he's great I do think that obviously there is a certain sense of security and insurance once you get engaged. Like now we can kind of put a lot of those to bed. Kiarna is still going to, you know, nitpick here and there. And of course, if you want to get down low and dirty with her, she'll bring some things up. But I do think that she had that error about her where she's secure.

She's good. And you know what? She's not really trying that hard because she realized I tried really hard last year and it didn't come across it. I got bopped. Kiarna, you tried really hard last year, but you got rewarded. Now, I just got to kind of lay and wait and see what's going to happen because if we know one thing about this show, nothing lasts for that long. And if you're not really going to perform, they will bop you right back down and they'll put you right into a friend of Slap. Yep, yep.

You got to put up or shut up. And as you said, she's engaged. We're getting ready for the wedding. They're in counseling, which is a good thing. There's getting prepped for the wedding, I believe. But as we know, Angel is married to Bobby Massey. So we have some NFL ties here. for her to say yeah he was a 10 year starter i was like what a weird thing to say to somebody like

there's no way and i know if you want to look at it from the other side where it's just like a statement of fact that's one thing you know damn well that her husband's not a starter and you know damn well you said that shit intentionally yeah i she shot herself into the foot immediately because if this was a standalone statement i would have been fine with it like okay you're proud of your husband love that we want to see more of that but you already kind of showed your hands by addressing her as a fellow wag you know who she is and you know who she's getting married to you've done your research everybody at the table now knows you know exactly who she is so saying starter is completely unnecessary i was of the thinking that and this is pre you know angel just having a

meltdown and not being able to be social i thought that she could have explained her way out of this at some point pretty easily. It really wasn't that hard to get out of, but she has no idea what she's doing. It is so noticeable almost immediately. Like her reaction to anybody even just bringing up a comment, like, oh, start her, oh, no, you can see it on her face. Like, first it's joy because she's happy and proud, I guess.

And then it kind of sets in like, fuck, they realize that I was being shady. Now I'm going to get called out, how am I going to handle this? And she's got every scenario in her head, except for the scenario that eventually plays out this episode. And I will give Wendy credit because the binoculars were funny. She's like, I caught that. Her using props is always good, but those binoculars, that's great prop work. Yeah, it was very, very good prop work.

Let's get to the race itself. Oh, I have a funny story for you, actually, recently. So. Pimlico story? No. But race-centric. So it was going to be a dog track race? No, no, no, no.

But it is in regards to the dog track. So I told that story however many weeks ago, probably last week we were talking about the freakness. And somebody messaged us and said, I was really upset to hear that you supported a dog track, implying, you know, animal cruelty, this, that the other. And I messaged her this back, but please understand that I was. having vodka for breakfast and was going to the dog track to bet $2 while drinking a 50 cent pitcher of beer. Okay. So let's not, let's not hold me accountable for those decisions that I made.

Okay. Leave me alone. I was literally drinking vodka at 6 a.m. The dog track was probably the least of the worries there. It was the least problematic thing I was doing at the time. All right. Everybody, get off your high horse. Anyway, let's get to the race.

thing is that you know what's wrong. Yeah. Will I still venture to a dog track at some point? I don't know, okay? Probably not, but maybe. No, probably not. I think my track days are over. But let's get to the race.

And Ashley brings up our Kearnah and Jazzy okay, because apparently Jazzy's been talking some shit, according to Kearnah. This all got really confusing, actually, because... Yeah, they were talking over each other, too. A lot, which was really... difficult to keep up with no and then like the my least favorite thing because i always have subtitles on when the show put subtitles on too and then the subtitles cross over the other

subtitles and i can't read when they're cross yeah that gets difficult but wendy gets called out because apparently wendy said that jazzy and kiarna have an issue because jazzy apparently told wendy that they had an issue now i'm going to go ahead and say there was probably some light-hearted discussion going on about the two of them. It probably had something to do with the full-time friend-of conversation, perhaps. I don't really know, but Jazzy's taken aback. She's like, well, I didn't really talk shit. This to me sounds like Jazzy said something that was pretty inconsequential and

Wendy took that and now Wendy's throwing her hat into the ring because everyone's bringing up a problem that they have. And here's Wendy's. Just I the way that I was reading into this was pretty much what you said. Like there was probably something said along the lines or maybe something felt along the lines of you got picked to be a full time housewife and I didn't. So yeah, of course there's I even feel bad saying resentment, but there is probably some resentment there or at least some jealousy or maybe even just some questioning. Like how the fuck did she get picked over me? That doesn't make a ton of sense.

But when we really break into it and we hear what she said, it wasn't that big of a deal. this is very similar. You think that there's more here because I feel like this is very similar. Oh, no, no, no. I'm so sorry. That's what she said. Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, sorry.

Didn't realize you were going verbatim. But it's very similar to Tia saying that that was rude of Ashley. Like, it's incredibly similar. It's very self-explanatory. There's not a lot there, but Wendy's reading into it for some reason. And I don't know why because this isn't, I don't want to say that this is like a typical Wendy move because it's really not. This is something that I would expect from Ashley, where she can just kind of do that and then take a step back and watch the fallout. I don't really see Wendy doing this.

So I thought there was more there, honestly, but there really wasn't. Again, this is just like kind of the symbolism for this season so far, breeding into situations that just simply aren't there. And yes, 98% of it is Kearnah just kind of making up things. But this one was another one. It just didn't make any sense to me. And I don't know. Was Kearnah saying anything at this point other than like defending herself? because what Jazzy said is like this is how I need things brought up because this was funny

in a sad way she's like look I know you're going through a tough time right now with Greg but don't take it out on me and I was like well I don't think she really said a whole lot right now but that was a good line but I didn't think that Kearna was was like trying to start up with her I could be wrong maybe I missed that because I was writing things down it may have been like a it may have been like a some sort of like pre-strike like i know the yarn is going to get really antsy about this and then she's going to come after me so why don't i just get her right now let me just say something right now just to set her off because i know it's coming regardless and i'd rather have a control on it by being able to be the first person to strike rather than waiting for her to strike

back of me because if we do know one thing about kiara she's probably going to strike at some point she just needs to get her bearings and then what she does we're not really going to understand where it's coming from or where it's even intended, but she's going to do something. Yeah, but it also opens the door to Darius comments. And I was like, well, I mean, that's an easy one. And is it too far? I don't know. Because obviously, Kiarna brings up the fact that Darius had two children, not just one

child, but two children, well, he was apparently with Jazzy. Like the whole thing, we never really got. not clarification as to what happened, but that seems to be what happened. It seems to be what. That's one of my favorite prepositional phrases, too, is he had two kids on you. Yeah, me too. I love that phrase. It is a great phrase.

I love that one. But this is why Jazzy is a little bit different because she's ready right away. Like she knows where she's going. And maybe it just depends on who your opponent is. Like she probably feels and kind of going back to that first comment, she feels like her and Kearn are on the same level. So maybe she's not really, you know, threatened by her necessarily. But her response to all of this is incredible by saying, what was it?

I actually wrote it down. I would be angry, too, if I was in a little-ass condo that that man didn't even pay for talking about Greg. That's funny. That's incredible. And that's also coming from the sense of security that you have, we get that ring on your finger. You get that ring on your finger. You start acting a little different. You're a little more confident.

That's the right move because we also have questions about Greg. Stacey has questions about Greg as we find out later. But we do want to find out what's going on here. And it does seem like the whole Greg issue going back to a reunion last year. Like, yeah, we're not together. He doesn't like being on TV. Whoops, never mind. We're back together.

We're trying. He's got his own house over there that he bought for both of us, but I've got my own condo. There's a lot of unanswered questions. So if I'm Kear and I might be a little careful or at least try to make sure I have all my ducks in a row. Maybe don't go poking at Stacey or at Jazzy because Jesse's going to come back and she's got some ammo. Well, she doesn't have contingency plans. no uh sorry kiana kiana and that's that's the thing and neither and it's a good thing to say for angel too we don't have contingency plans if if we know anything in any housewife spat or just

throughout the season in general you always have to have either a response ready or a backup plan and then a backup to the backup plan because things are going to go south and you need to be able to to figure your way out of it and these two don't have that i don't know if they're going to be able to attain that. But that's the biggest thing that Angel and Kianna are both missing. And you see that in this scene. We haven't really gotten into Angel yet. We're going to. Don't worry. Because now we're at the airport. And it's Angel's first girls trip post baby. That's an important note. It's not her first girl's trip ever, just the first one post baby. And we learned that Jazzy was a late invite. So that's fun. I wanted her to come on this trip after seeing her in that one scene.

Yeah. I was too. And then I was. was, but I was excited about it. So I think that she brings an energy to the group that we don't really have there right now where it just seems to be like, ooh, let's have fun kind of vibe. So I'm down to be Ashley until Ashley got too big for her bridges. That's kind of the role that she used to play, especially when Karen was on the show. That's what Ashley was. Ashley would wake up in the morning. She'd do her workout and then she'd grab a Corona. And that's what she would make sure that way everybody knew. I'm grabbing a Corona. We're having a fun. Getting a beer. Getting a beer. Anybody want a beer? So if we need that energy from somebody else, why not bring

Jazzy. And I also like to see that too because I'm not fully out on Giselle being the central figure on the show. I think that she, like I'm really over analyzing and I know that, but I am really looking at what she does in certain situations. Sometimes she piles on. I want her to get away from that. Sometimes she just sits back and watches and then she has good interjections. And that's what I want to see too. But adding Jazzy to this as a last minute is, and I don't think that Giselle intended this, but it's incredibly funny because one, she doesn't get a first class ticket. She has to sit in the back of the plane, hilarious. And two, it brings the energy.

Yeah, it does. I will say this. And I'm team jazzy for the time being. But the champs may taste the same, but you got to pay for it in economy. That's an important distinction. But you know what? She didn't have to pay for the first class ticket. So she'd probably save money in the long run.

Yeah. So it balances out, you know. You stay rich, yeah. Exactly. Sit in economy and pay for the champagne and spend $600 less than the first class free champagne. Yeah. Let's get to Nevis, or I guess they're in St.

Kitty, St. Kit. St. Kitts? I always thought it was St. Kitts. St. Kitts. It probably is.

I'm probably saying it wrong. And you have to take a boat from St. Kitts to get over to Nevis. So they land in St. Kitts. Jazzy takes about 30 minutes to get off the plane, but they're all waiting for it in the Sprinter van. And then we go to the hub for the yacht.

I don't know what this little interim building was. The interim building to me was. customs and it but it was like a first class customs because it did say they did pay back and forth where they said customs um but it's like a lounge sort of so it's i took it as it's a first class customs it's a full lounge where you can hang out you can have a little bit of food have a drink while you wait and we'll check your passports and make sure that you're not blacklisted agreed that makes a lot of sense to me so as they're sitting there they're chatting about whatever and goals come up where are our goals for the trip ladies and angel she jumps up first

and she's like i and this is a it's a good move i think because obviously the target's on your back for not getting to know everybody you're not talking to other people other than kiarna so i don't mind getting ahead of it and saying my goal is to get to know everybody better that's what i really want to do it's like all right that that's fine kind of qualm the group or quell the group a little bit, then Stacy, and this is important because I don't think this is a Stacy thing. I think this is an angel thing. Stacey reached out to her because she didn't like the lukewarm welcome that she had into

the group. She wanted to give Angel something she didn't have. So she takes upon herself to call her and be like, hey, I'm Stacy, what's up? Like excited, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, and I got a very lukewarm response from Angel, which after seeing this episode i fully believe that it was the it was barely even warm it was probably room temperature at that point and that's why like the the later questions about are you on this show to make friends with the rest of the women in the group or are you just support for kearna like that's a

valid question because if i'm stacey and i've got a problem with kearna that i don't really understand but kearnas coming after me for some reason and i call your friends who's new to the group to give her something that i never had and you're going to do that you're going to do that to me. That just tells me right away. Oh, yeah, Stacey called me. But, you know, I talked to Kiarna. She told me to be weary of you. I'm just going to go ahead and move forward. I'm waiting for that call from Giselle. I'm waiting for that call from Ashley, Dr. Wendy. Then we'll actually get into it. But, you know, Stacy, you know, thanks for the call. That's enough from you. Which isn't, look, she's a full timer. You know? I know. And did you see her season last year?

She deserves the respect. Damn it. She did her job. And she's doing her job again this year, even better than last year, which is astounding to say, but she's just a star. You can't deny it, anybody. She's so fun to watch. Did you watch the watch what happens live with her? Yeah, it's great. She's great. Andy fucking loves her.

He was tackling the whole time. It is hard not to, but to watch him because he usually has weird issues with some housewives and we never really get our thumb on it. But this one is like, it's so obvious. He's obsessed with Stacey. Well, she's nice. That's the other part. It's like she catches all this shit, but she's not out there throwing shit.

No, and she's not lying about anybody on the cast. She's only lying about herself. So who cares? I don't, yeah, the whole, this whole episode was strange when it comes to her. And hearing Tia say in a proper British accent, I reserve the right to suck a ball or two was probably the highlight of the episode. That shit made me laugh out loud. Now, as they're going towards the yachts, find out the yachts ready. our customs are finished customing you into the country.

That's the official term, by the way. Yep. These comments are what I'm talking about. Stacey asks a pretty reasonable question about the boat. Do we need life jackets? Whatever you want, Stacey. Why are we so condescending about anything that comes out of this woman's mouth? I have no idea.

I'm very tired of it, though. I'll tell you that much. We're not even at the end of this episode yet. And there's a lot more to come. So let's get to the yacht. This scene in particular is where I formulated my theory of we're just throwing anything out there because it becomes like a tit for tat of who can bring up something else. Giselle starts it off. And we didn't see this out of her last year.

And I know she had to step into the Karen role. Maybe Karen on the horizon getting out of jail coming back to the show is looming over. So she's like, I don't have to do this anymore. yeah but this was just this is green eyed bandits jazel because out of nowhere she's like well you know jazzy's here but there's some people that may or may not have wanted you to come it's it's like okay let's get into it i guess yeah sure why not strange timing forced but i guess we'll get into this whole thing and she drops kearnan and angel's name implying that they didn't want you to come on this trip angel shows why she's unequipped to be on this show at least for now

because she's like, whoa, whoa, I don't even remember saying that. I said that I wanted Charisse to come instead because I'm friends with Sharia. I don't know if I said all that. Giselle's a lot of things that she does force this stuff when she's in green-eyed bandits mode. She doesn't lie usually. Like, you can usually trust what she's saying. So I do believe that you referenced it. He says words here and there and puts emphasis on some other things that don't really exist.

But it's enough to usually what she just wants. And she knows what she's doing, obviously. I mean, she's been doing it for so long. She just wants to provoke a little bit, just to see where it goes. And if you're able to do what Stacey does, which is funny and just let it roll off, fine. We'll move on and then I'll have another issue with you later. But it's more just like a poke and a prod. Like, all right, I'll produce a little bit right now.

Is this a test? I think it's a test. And maybe I'm just, I might just be in that mode right now where I do think that is testing, at least the newbies and the people who are doing the show. She definitely does that. So I think that this is more of a test, like, all right, this is not really that big of a problem. But I'm going to throw it out there just to see how you react. And you know what?

Good byproduct. Maybe the two of you old buttheads for a little bit. And it could be fun. Okay. Well, that lightens it up a little bit then. This is a pointed move. To me, it was just, why are we doing this? But if she's trying to evaluate Angel a little bit and see how she responds, because what I imagine happened was something as simple as, oh, Jazzy's coming.

oh don't invite her you should invite chriese instead it was i think we saw the comment too because it was at the end of the preekness when we were talking right after kiarnah and jazzy just got into it jazelle was talking about who was coming and i thought it was tia but i guess it was angel that walked over and said oh is chriese coming because i really enjoy chris and josell didn't really have an answer for her she's like i'm still putting everything together and figuring out who's going to come so it was a surprise that jazzy ended up coming but that was it i don't think there was any more and I can't really see Angel and Giselle talking on the phone or

you know off the camera or something about who's coming. So I really think that was it. And if she said Jazzy shouldn't come, I would imagine it's just because she wanted Charisse in lieu of Jazzy. I don't think that she has anything against Jazzy. But

she has a fatal flaw here because in trying to explain that part of it, she doesn't do a good enough job and she does not neutralize. the situation for herself because now it looks like you don't like Jazzy because you're just fumbling your words and saying things that don't really correlate to the situation. You look like you got caught red-handed, not liking Jazzy

and sure, or rather, Giselle is just shining a light on that. And that's not what happens because you didn't say it. Like I, that's the funny thing with Angel. I firmly believe that you did not say that and you could easily just dispel it and be like, I never said that. I just said that I wish that Charisse was coming.

If you think that that meant I don't want Jazzy to come, then that's on you. me that's a good response i just made that up off the top of my head right now and there's more responses for later which he's talking about her instagram photos that she could easily do but she doesn't do it she always goes for the long-winded answer like oh shit oh i didn't expect to have to talk right now what's my line oh fuck yeah let me think of something and uh i'm still talking out loud aren't i oh my god i'm way too deep in for this one uh shiris yes uh jazzy no wait no i do want you to come. Wait, no, I have no problem with you, Jazzy. It's like, what are you doing?

What the fuck are you doing? Just respond to Giselle and move on. And then look at Jazzy and be like, yeah, I'm excited to get to know you. Boom, done. That should be enough. That's not what happened at all. That was a clumsy attempt to try to combat this. And then Kearno wants to get involved to defend herself. As we've seen multiple times, we're going from zero to a thousand. Yeah. And even the line that She drops in the intro, she's like, I'm not phony. I don't want to be fake. Why lead off with that? Because the implication is that Jazzy is phony or fake.

And so Jazzy, who came prepared, she's very prepared for this. He goes, all right, well, what did you say about Wendy if you're not phony? I'm like, damn, that's good. That's also how I want to see these things coming out. Give me organic moments. Jazzy, dropping that one in there was great. And it was like six months ago when they were cool, apparently. And now we have an issue that we don't get to find out what it is and that now Wendy gets involved and Wendy's trying to overanalyze the situation.

And from an initial good drop from Jazzy, this turns into a cluster fuck that we don't get any, any kind of description of. Like, I don't know what happened. I don't know if Wendy's pissed off at her because Wendy doesn't know what she said, but Wendy's pissed off because she was just talking shit. Wendy claims they were cool. Jazzy says they weren't, or sorry, Kearna says they weren't. What I imagine happened once again was a similar situation to the NWACP awards or any of the recent events between Wendy and Kearna, where it might have been something small that turned into Kearna being upset that Wendy didn't acknowledge her. Maybe Wendy was being condescending. All of those things are very possible.

And maybe she vented to Jazzy about it. Possibly. I don't fucking know, because all I'm getting. from all of this is if we could just get you guys to formulate some sort of thought, something coherent that we can understand what's going on here, we would probably have all the context that we need from the NAACP Awards, which is what we've been talking about since episode one. Now I've just been kind of praying that it goes to the wayside

because I know we're not getting any answers, but you're bringing Jazzy into this who seems to know more about what's going on there. and now Kiarna has been talking about it as well and Wendy's involved. If we could just get them to explain in a way that we can understand, we'll have all the contacts that we need. And then maybe it'll bail out Kiarna because as it stands right now, I still have no idea what her problem is with Stacey, no idea what her problem is with Wendy.

She's not doing a good job of formulating. And we're over here on this side of things trying to explain to our listeners, hey, this is what we think's going on here, but we don't fucking know because they can't actually explain it. And it's just, it's very frustrating. And like you said, it just devolves into just madness. And we don't know, we don't know what the hell's going on. It's a cluster puck.

Yep. I have no idea what happened between them. I just know that they're not cool and Jazzy and Kearna aren't cool. And then Wendy, because she got dragged in, now she has to throw shade to get the spotlight off of that topic. I don't, I don't know. This just became mayhem because she's like, well, I want to talk about the fact. that when jazzy walked in and i thought she was going to bring up the fact that kiarna made a face

but she didn't she went the other way and said an angel the starter comment which was that that's worth bringing up yeah i think so maybe it's just this scene felt just so back to back to back to back to back drama drama that i'm like uh but like this comment i wanted to come back up so I guess the timing isn't really that important. Now, you knew she was a wag, as you said, and that's a very important point. You knew all of this. So why do that? Then she, her response is, you got to be fucking kidding me.

It's like, no, this is what happens. If you say something that could be conceived as shady or perceived as shady, we're going to question you about it. It's like, this is very normal. And the response can't be, you got to be fucking kidding. kidding me like are you you have to answer for it because yeah even us at home that's a shady comment he made a shady comment yeah yeah it's definitely a shady comment but like I don't know usually I'm a big proponent of throw the newbies to the fire see what happens and maybe we'll

get something out of it angel can't handle the fire this isn't even fire this is like a plate that just came out of the microwave that's a little hot that's what we're dealing with right now and she can't handle herself but to have that kind of reaction to something that got brought up again This is what happens on these shows. People just take a mental note. Oh, you said something that was a little shady, but we were in a big setting. There was a lot going on. We're not really going to get into it.

But let's bring it back up now because it seems like it could actually correlate to something that we're talking about. So we're going to throw you back in. See how you handle it. She doesn't handle it well. She just, I just don't understand. Like she befuddles me because she'll go from just completely explaining away something that doesn't make any sense.

And then she'll go into, are you fucking kidding me? It's like, you didn't even answer the first question. What do you mean? Of course, we're going to ask you a follow-up. No, we're not fucking kidding you. Explain, please. And I think a big problem that both her and Keanu are going to run into because they're leaning on each other and because both of them are making similar mistakes right now,

they're going to go into their villa by themselves and feed into each other that they're right, that what they're doing is right, that they're not in the wrong in any way, shape, or form. The other ladies in the group need to get on board with what they're doing. It's their job to make the effort to get a friendship, whatever it might be. They're just going to go back and forth and convince themselves that they're on the right side of this whole thing and not make any adjustments, not make any changes, which they're going to need to if they have any shot of coming back next season. Because I've also seen socials.

They're not doing well at all. So they need to get something. But the emergence of Jazzy as a friend of? No. That's the worst thing they could have happened to Kiarna. Yep. Now, as we arrive to Nevis, we get a quick picture on the screen, and it's a side-by-side picture of Tia and Angel. And Giselle points out that Angel has clearly photoshopped or filtered this picture. It does not look a whole lot like the angel that we saw. That's important for later.

So everyone put that in your pocket so we can discuss it later. I didn't love the discourse later, and I'll talk about that later as well. But anyway, let's get to the rooms themselves. everyone in their room has a letter written by Giselle saying nice things. They have a robe that's monogram. They have a dop kit that's monogramed or a bathroom bag, whatever you want to call it. Everyone's got that. This might have been her biggest swing and a miss ever because this just seemed cruel. Yeah.

Stacey gets to her room and she's standing there watching. She's watching, I believe it's Jazzy. I can't remember who she's like in the room with. But she's watched, oh, it's Wendy. It's Wendy. It's Wendy, yeah. And she's watching Wendy read her letter. She's watching Wendy open her shit. She's like, oh, they've got this big smile on her face.

Like, wow. And then she goes to her shit. And she's like, oh, no monogram, no note, actually a blank card. And we go to Giselle's confessional. I thought this was awful. Like, not even like a mean way, just like a, this isn't landing at all. She's like, well, I'm not sure who or what she is. I'm like, what, that's not good enough.

This isn't a good explanation just because she shifted a little bit from who she was last season. She was a first timer on Real Housewives. She was getting her bearings. Now she's in her second season. She's performing better than anybody else on this show right now. She's not answering the questions that you guys want in the way that you want her to, but she's answering your questions. Your big issue with Stacey is that she's not actually divorced.

Lo and behold, she is actually divorced. So that's your big snag. And instead of just letting her operate in her own weird Stacey world, you have this big issue with her. And that would be one thing if you kept it to yourself or if you brought it up to Stacey and you guys hash something out. But instead, you're going to shade her without giving her a monogrammed robe.

You're making her feel excluded from the group entirely. She already feels that way. She's just such a good sport that she's able to just kind of soldier on. She doesn't ever let anything bogger down, which is one of her best traits. But this is brutal. Like everyone else has a fucking jazzie's got a robe. she just got invited to the trip what are we doing jazelle thought that this was going to be an iconic moment yes it was it was a full swing and a miss it was it was mean girl behavior that's what it was

and it's almost like hey i didn't want to invite you but i had to invite you because of the show but i can control what i can control and i don't believe for a second that she didn't instruct them to leave a blank card there she does she does say later oh i didn't even you weren't even supposed to have a card at all but i don't believe that at all i think that in the moment jazelle realized yeah, that may have been a little too far. You already went way too far, but yeah, maybe the card, the blank card sitting on your bureau

to make you think like I wrote you something, was a little mean? You definitely told them to put a blank card there to really hammer home your statement that you don't even know who Stacy is and talk about it later. It could have been okay if she made like some sort of joke out of it.

It would have been awesome, I think, if you made a joke out of it, but you really had a backup where you had her name and engraved on there. You had the dop kit because the top kit wasn't even the same color. And I can't tell colors apart, but I can tell shades. It wasn't the same shade of pink.

So that was already wrong. If you had backups that you just came in and you're like, I'm just fucking with you. Here you go. I just wanted to see what you would do. Cool. That would have been great. That would have been iconic. Instead, you do this and it bridges over to mean girl behavior, which we don't want to see.

And like you said, Stacey's been such a good sport. She's answering your questions. She's not hiding. She's not running away and just not addressing anything that you guys are bringing up. She's giving you answers. You just don't like the answers. That's the problem. So now you're taking it upon yourself to go ahead and wipe her name off the monograms towel or the monograms bathrobe.

You're taking her name off of the Dobkit. Why? Just so everybody else can talk about it. And that's the worst part, I think. People aren't stepping up to defend Stacey. I get it if you have some questions. If you're Ashley and you want to keep talking about her bad breath and the divorce that may or may not have gone through, whatever, I don't give a fuck what Ashley's doing. But Wendy's sitting there, Jazzy's sitting there.

They're all talking about it. later when we talk about it, nobody's coming to a defense. Why? What's the point? I don't know. And I think it's bullshit because we don't like to see gangups ever. That's not like our favorite thing. Sometimes it's necessary for like one scene of an episode,

but it's never something that we root for. So watching it happen here and especially maybe it's jealousy. Maybe these ladies are jealous of Stacey because of all the fanfare. Did you ever do it to Mia? Let's just talk about that. Did you ever do it to Mia? No, you didn't do it to Mia. the biggest liar probably in Housewives history, you know, aside from faking cancer.

You know, that's kind of what Mia is going to be doing at this point. She's just lying about everything, but she never had to face this kind of scrutiny. She was always invited to the trips and she was always tolerated. What is Stacy bringing that's so much different than what Mia is doing, if not being way better of a version than Mia? Because they don't like Stacy. I think they're just jealous of Stacy. I think that she is gorgeous. I think that she's younger than them.

And I think that they don't like that. And I think that because she's not rattled by this group, I think that gets under their skin so much that they're trying to poke and prod. And them, I mean, Giselle and Ashley mainly, they're trying to poke and prod and get under Stacey's skin to try to rattle her. But she's unrattelable, which is shocking, considering everything they're putting her through, especially this season with the monogramd robe and all of that shit.

But she is an absolute star. And you can't keep a star dimmed. and that shows you that she's going to be a star because she's not rattled by the mainstays because she's not backing down because she's putting on such an incredible housewife's performance that it completely completely squashes any kind of shade you're throwing at her we're watching at home going that's really fucking mean you leave stacey alone because we love stacey and just because you can't handle her quirkiness that's a reason to go after mea lied to you guys over and over and over and over and over again and even she was given some passes but stacey can't do shit she

can't even date somebody without you guys acting like it's the end of the damn world sorry she's a star guys i'm sorry that she is such a star stacey's reaction all of this is just to be more quirky to lean into it to let it roll off and i i think it's getting under joselle and ashley's skin i think it's really bothering them and what it's giving to me is jazelle and ashley feeling like they're the head of this group, they don't like what Stacey's bringing. They don't like her corkiness. So they're trying to control her behavior. They're trying to push her into a box that she doesn't want to go into.

And now they're pissed off that she's not going into that box. And they don't realize that the byproduct of that is all of us loving Stacey. So it's working against you. If you leave her alone and do what you did last year, like I'd be fine if Jiselle was who she was last year where she would lean into it and joke a little bit. I know a couple people online are talking about how they actually think that Chazelle really like Stacey because of what she's doing and she's just acting like she doesn't just to see what kind of play up she can get. I don't really think so. I think last year was what

that was. I think when she would play into it and jab her a little bit and come back with some jokes and be like, all right, Stacey, yeah, we're not rooming together ever again. I can't do this anymore. You're doing too much. That's funny because at least you're still addressing it. When Stacey does her quirky behavior, you guys just write her off immediately, that's not fun. That's not what we want to see. So I don't really, I just don't understand it that you can be that tone deaf to what's going on. I think by saying I'm unsure about who or what you are, I think that's a true statement. I do think that she can't figure her out. And I think that pisses her off. And I think more so than that, she hates that she can't get to Stacey. Like you said, like that's the

underlying thing here. And the fact that she is able to soldier on. And still I rise. Damn right you do, Stacey, because you cannot be kept down. And we all at home, we have your back. Because what you're doing right now on this show might be the only reason I'm saying this is a pretty good season so far because we take Stacy out what are we doing now we're all just trying to bring up things to yell at each other about we're trying to rehash old things it's it's not landing Stacy is the comedic relief right now she's the sense of stability we need in a show and she's not she's just not faltering when you guys are trying to poke and prod so leave the star of the show alone

Yep. Now we get to an interesting conversation with Angel and Kiarna, because as the other ladies are discussing those two, because we've got everybody over here, and then we've got Kiana and Angel over here. And you've seen that. You've seen it throughout the season. So they're not wrong in that regard,

but then you get these two, and this is what I was talking about earlier, where they're going to sit in this villa together and feed into each other and be like, oh, you're right, no, you're right, no, you're right. No, we're both right. And the best example of that is the fact that she's claiming, angels claiming, that she got the cold shoulder from everybody at the airport.

I walked in, no one said, hi, nobody greeted me. Roll the tape. Everybody did, every single person, including Wendy, who you are trying to go after, they all said hi, they all gave you hugs. So these are the kinds of things. And maybe it's the first season jitters like that one I can chalk up to first season because you're not fully aware, everything's filmed. I think she's hitting, she's like hitching her wagon and taking notes from Kearnah.

That's what I'm getting from us. Like we've been friends for a long time. Give me the skinny. Give me the whole breakdown of how this works, what I have to do, how I'm going to be able to drum up some support for myself, how I'm going to be able to stand toe to with these women. And you're asking the wrong person because Keirta doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And when she gets involved in things, it just delves into chaos.

it doesn't make a ton of sense and she doesn't get support from anybody else because it doesn't matter nothing kiarna's talking about really ends up mattering and i guess angel might be taking some notes from that because what are we doing here one who gives a fuck if nobody came over and said hi to you if they did you bring it up later you don't talk about it with kiarna you don't sit in your in your uh what's the word i'm blanking on everything tonight you don't sit in your villa thank you You don't sit in your villa alone with Chiarna and discuss it. You bring it up at dinner and then they can clap back immediately and say, we did say hi to you.

And then the producers pop in. The fact that the producers are popping in right now, while you guys are just having a private conversation is wild. Like, grow a backbone. Be able to stand up and formulate a sentence. I completely agree. So let's get to nighttime. The Tia conversation with her kids was funny.

Because, you know, her one son, Nathaniel, is like, I want to be adopted. I hate this family. She's like, the way that she's so calm, cool, and collected about pretty much everything thus far is one of my favorite things about her.

But she's like, okay, why would you like to be adopted? What's going on? And he had to clean up on his birthday. I felt him on that one. It's like, he shouldn't have to clean up on his birthday.

Well, it was her daughter's birthday. So I assume what happened there was the daughter was able to just walk away from dinner without cleaning up. And then the son had to clean up. And he's like, this is bullshit.

I had to clean up on my birthday. Why is she not cleaning up? So then he calls his mom and says he wants to be adopted. Hilarious. It's incredible from a 11-year-old. And he didn't get to have like some relaxed time. He didn't get to chill out. Like that would piss me off too, Nate.

I feel you, dude. I'm with you. These issues all make sense to me. I get it. I get it. But I think my favorite line is, you know, Rob, her husband's from south side of Chicago. And she is Nigerian royalty that grew up with like Rolls Royces, this and that.

And he says the kids are too soft. that dichotomy of those two upbringings is so funny. I would love to hear the conversations that those two have in parenting decisions just because it's so different walks of life that I would like to be a fly on the wall for those.

But let's get to dinner. I don't know how you're a pescatarian and you don't know what Wahoo is. That was astounding. Love Stacy, but doesn't know that Wahoo's a fish, whatever. And this is one thing that we have been waiting for Stacy to

to be able to do and it's not from lack of attempts last year she did try to talk about stuff every now and then she tried to bring things up it was very frequently brushed under the rug people didn't really give her the time of day when she was inquisiting about anything so she brings up gregg and why i love this so much is she's trying to walk us towards something here and i think that this was her first attempt to try to turn the conversation to jazelle and ask her about the football player a lot happens in between before we get that drop but i think that that was her goal here if i talked to you about this now we're talking about boyfriends or husbands or whatever yeah and i can get to the football player i knew what she was doing as soon as she did it as soon as she

started but again we're privy to a lot more than anybody on the cast is so i knew what she was getting to and i i had a hard time with it at first i'm like all right stacey maybe a little too much but i think it landed really well i think it worked well because it seemed to work it was seamless, I guess, in the eyes of everybody sitting at that table. But for me, I'm like, I know what you're doing immediately. But it worked really well because it's very funny that Stacey's asking Kiana about Greg. And I love that it just goes right back into, well, we had a good chit chat on the plane. I honestly thought that it was going to end at, you asked me for some gum.

So did I. I gave you some gum. I was like, well, there you go. You guys are best friends again. There we go. But here they had a full conversation about how angels assimilating into the group. I was completely perplexed that Angel took offense to that. Well, if you want to find out how I'm doing, come to me and ask, well, I came to you

before and tried to introduce you to the group and you did not give me a warm welcome. So I'm asking your best friend. That, again, there's a sense of normalcy, and I know Stacey's incredibly quirky, but when somebody like Stacey, when somebody like Tia is talking and they're being just normal about how they're approaching situations, it resonates with me every single time. And this happens on every housewife show. If you're going to sit there and just have a normal conversation like, yeah, you know what? I don't really know how we're doing.

Me and Kiarna aren't doing super well, but I'm going to take what she's giving me. And we had a nice conversation about how you're doing. Even Kiarna agreed with that one. She's like, yeah, it was actually pretty amicable. You know, it wasn't that deep. She gets pissed. Like she's genuinely upset. She's like, you can come to me and talk.

I think she, after Kiarna was like, oh, it was actually a nice conversation. She's like, ah, yeah. She kind of like pulls the reins back a little. little bit but that's how she's approaching every single conversation interaction relationship on this show is by getting pissed off about that and her big thing that she keeps going back to all the time is you know i'm not good with new people i'm quiet but i'm trying to do this i'm trying to do that no one's approaching me go talk to them you're on their show you're new here okay and yes i understand that you want there to be a warm welcome this is not the warm welcome cast

okay it's just not ask stacey ask any newcomer that's come on the show they will extend all of branches and as we've seen with joselle they'll have after the fact yeah yeah they're gonna test you first they're gonna poke you to try to see how you handle it that's what's happening right now but at the same time this group also gets irritated with people that come into the group and doesn't take it upon themselves to make the effort. And that's true on most Housewives shows. If you're new to the group, they're waiting for you to make the effort. That's what they all had to do.

So now they want you to do the same. So to get Ben out of shape every time and pretty much blame them for your lack of a relationship with any of them, that's on you. It's a two-way street. Go and try. And then when a housewife calls you on the phone via Stacey, don't be a dick to her. And maybe you'd have a friend. And even after the fact, Stacey still tried through Kiana to be nice to you.

And you got pissed at her again. So Stacey's, ah, she's probably never out. You're not exactly like laying out the red carpet for yourself. Or the pink carpet. I mean, in the pink carpet, yeah. I mean, at this point, we've had more discussions about how you're having a hard time getting into the group. What makes you think that people are going to be like, oh, all right, Angel. I'll come over and sit down with you.

and we'll just talk about how the show works at this point. Like, no, they're done. Like, they are so quick to move on and then realize that you are a low light, you're not going to work, we're not going to see much more of you, unless you try to ingratiate yourself into the group in some way, shape, or form after all of this, you're going to be left out. And that's kind of where she is right now. And it's crazy, too, because we're only five episodes in.

You're so early into the season and you're already having such a negative impact on the rest of the group. They're not going to want anything to do with you. and it's all of your own making and it's all because you're weird and jealous that no one's coming to you and no one's talking to you. How are they supposed to know that you're weird? How are they supposed to know that you get social anxiety and you have a hard time getting into a girl group and you don't really know what to do? You can do it now, but you're doing it with so much animosity and you're almost blaming them for not coming to you and realizing that you were like this, which just makes no sense. And then we're just in this endless cycle within Angel's head,

which I don't want to be in. And she's not making any sense to anybody else, but more so than anything, you're just kind of pushing them away further. Like, they're not going to come to you now. No. Why would they try to bridge the gap when every time anything's brought up, you get upset with them? It's not like a great hallmark for the start

of a good friendship. I love Tia's move here, though. She's like, yeah, I noticed that you two don't talk at all and points out Wendy and Angel. I'm like, ooh, nice work, Tia. I like that little drop in there. Again, that one felt more smooth. It didn't feel like, oh, I got one.

but yeah and that's all you need to do especially with wendy because now wendy goes into her academic speech and the voice drops you can always tell she talks at this like same tone and it's just so condescending dude like it really is it worked it really worked this time because i was getting so annoyed with kiana and angel going back and forth sure that usually I'm completely turned off by Wendy dropping her voice to that tone and just kind of teaching them like here is a teachable moment for you don't come for me it worked this time I think it fully works this time because she packed them up right away and they're both sitting there like what what are we supposed to do and nobody had Wendy's back nobody had

their back it was just the three of them discussing you guys had a two on one you could have said anything you could have brought up the NWACP awards again if you wanted to but you just didn't have anything. You have no ammo. And it all started because Tia just asked if the two of you talk, like, no. It's just, it could have been more of the same. It's like, no, I really haven't had a chance to actually talk to Wendy. Wendy could have retorted immediately and said, well, it's because you're too close to Kiarna. That opens you up so much just being close to Kiarna because Kiana has an issue. And it seems like you might have an issue with Wendy, too, because Kiana has an issue. That never works on these shows, especially when you're a newbie. Yeah, it's

tough to hit your wagon as somebody that's not performing well because you are going to suffer their defeats as well. And now because Kiarna is on the outs with most of the ladies in the group, you come into this group on the outs, most of the ladies in the group, especially when they're asking you questions like, hey, if you're friends with her and she's not cool with somebody else, like can you be cool with us? And you're immediately getting like a like a gen from OC where Tamara brings her in, immediately burns her. Kiana's burning angel in. It's not doing anything intentional. She's just in a bad spot with everybody else of her own making.

And now Angel's getting burnt, you just have to cut ties. Like, yeah, you can still be friends with her. But you can start saying things like, well, just because Kearnah is not cool with you, doesn't mean I can't be cool with you. I'm going to give you a chance. I don't really know what the issue is there. She hasn't talked to me about it too much. But, I mean, I'm on the show with you.

So let's at least discuss some things. Fine. I think that would be well received from everybody in the group because then at least they'll look at you like an independent person. right now you're putting yourself into a box with Kiana and this is where we live this is where we are if she is a problem I have a problem we have a problem and that's not going to work for anyone no especially when you don't know any of the other ladies yeah you know you can't even formulate an opinion on how you feel about them because you haven't spent any time with them so we get to the photo and quite clearly it's been

doctored a little bit like she's definitely photoshopped it yeah just Elle brings it up yeah look is it worth mentioning once sure yeah hey what the fuck the way that it was brought up i didn't love like she's like this looks absolutely nothing like i don't even know who this person was and she's like oh it was taken a little while ago i don't know how many we could probably have a full photo album of bad photoshopps from housewives on this show even or just preimposed like facial reconstruction. Yeah, exactly. So I thought it was kind of dirty.

I didn't love it. You know, it's clearly going to make her feel insecure and feel some type of way. I know she's the one that edited the photo. And I know it's a little extreme. I don't know. It just,

to me, she said immediately that particular photo is not Photoshop. She did say that that was not filtered. So that does leave the door open for, like this this was just felt mean it just felt mean i i agree it felt mean from jump it felt mean when we got into the golf carts when we were going to the customs place or going over to the yacht when chiselle brings it up it's like okay but this is another one of those things where if you're on a housewife's season you're starting to film news breaks you're looking at it on your phone

you get that initial reaction so i can kind of overlook that one and i get it because it doesn't look anything like Angel. I fully understand that. It really doesn't. But I, again, thought that it was a non, it was like a non-sticking point. This could have been done very quickly. It could have been, actually, they could have just said immediately like, let's fucking mean. Why are we doing this? Right. I didn't pick that photo. Here's the thing. A blogger or somebody who's close to Bravo. It's probably like Bravo Insider News. Look who's filming with the Potomac women. And it's these two. We don't know who anybody is, but this is what we're going to do. Angel could have just said, I didn't pick that fucking picture.

They picked a picture from my Instagram. I don't know what you want for me. That was from a while ago. I had a baby 19 months ago. That picture is from pre-baby. Everybody understands at that point because most of them are mothers. Most of them have kids. They understand, yeah, okay, you're going to look a little different pre and post baby.

That makes sense to me. And it could have just gone away. But like with everything that comes to Angel's way, you don't know what the fuck she's going to say. Because I thought that she could have gone 50 different ways with this. All of them would. have made sense you could have even thrown the ball back in their court and called the mean instead i got i got nothing i have no idea what she even said like she has no retort she has no response to any of this that makes any sense she just keeps hammering home i don't use

photoshop i don't use photoshop i don't filter that was a bad take yeah it's a bad take because everybody filters their pictures at this point so what are we doing yeah and she wasn't doing a great job at offending it not that she should have to especially when joselle's like And then I went to your page and all stuff. Yeah. That's mean. That's mean. That's fucking mean.

All right. It honestly ventures past that into bullying in between how you're treating Stacey and then this. I don't want to see green eyed bandit bully. I don't want to see that again. Giselle last year was great. If you want to poke and prod a little bit more this year. They're ways to test them without doing that. Bring up things in their past.

Bring up things that their husband's getting into. Report that you saw. some blogger put something out about you. I don't care what it is. If you're going to test them, test them that way. See how they respond to things that other housewives have to deal with on a daily basis. This one's just, this is low-hanging fruit. It's mean, and this is really what we're going to do.

There's so many different ways to go about it. And again, I still think that Giselle's just testing because it seems like, all right, maybe she should find a way to explain this one. This one's pretty easy. Nope. Nothing's easy for Angel. That's the big problem here. Everything that could be a very simple.

Let's sweep this one under the rug and just move on with our lives. It's never that easy. She has a hard time explaining things. Yeah. And Wendy dives in, too, brings up the fact that her energy was totally different from the pre-kness pre-party and that whole interaction that they had together. And she's now saying, okay, well, clearly you talk to me a different way or you have some preconceived notions about me that you don't have with the other ladies because even there

when you're talking to Giselle, it was not as. combative. The way that you talked to her didn't sound like you were upset with her when he talked to me. There's a different tone there. Yeah. Okay. Sure. The big thing to take away is Kiana did expose them unintentionally because she said, do you even like this lady? All that does is tell Wendy that you guys have been talking about her. And yes, it's an easy one to try to explain off. It's like, well, yeah, you guys are having a problem. So we discussed it. That's not what it looks like it looks like you guys were talking shit about wendy and then you added yourselves for talking shit about wendy so there's a lot of mess all right that's what this episode was

it's just messy we got a lot of little shit that piled up didn't even pile up we just decided to bring it all out this falls under that category the issue is when you look at the piles of mess that everybody has in front of them everyone's got like a little pile like oh you did this you did this you angels piles really big already yeah And it's only four episodes in. Yeah. And she's not doing anything to clean up any of it. All things that she could clean up so easily.

Not anymore, but all things that initially she could clean up so easily. And she's just not doing it. Yep. So let's try to listen to Jazeel explain the robe thing. And again, this whole scene from Jazeel, I'm just going to call her straight up bully. This is just a bully scene. Yeah, we get to Stacey's robe. I'm on your page.

the card was her idea, the blank card. She just felt in that moment like, e, I think this didn't go over as well as I'd hoped it would. So she says, you know, I don't know who you are. You've been different. That's what really pissed me off. You've been different.

Okay. You can't exclude her from everything because she's a little different this year. It's her second year. She's been through a very strange journey to where she is now, obviously. so to exclude her from the group because she's acting different than what you're used to, you just met this woman. So you don't really know her anyway. You spent one season with her.

Sorry she's outperforming. Sorry that the fans loved her so much last year. Sorry that they love her this year. Sorry that she's quirky. I don't think you should pick on people because they're quirky and weird. That's not a good reason. And it makes you look like a bully. And that's really all I can figure out because the claim that she's a liar.

about what other than T.J. Okay, and I know it's a big lie. Don't get me wrong. And I know that she still haven't even gotten into it, though. This is the thing that it's counteractive to because you're not by doing this and by bullying Stacey and calling her a liar. You're not going to allow her to open up and tell us what the fuck's going on with T.J. She's not going to want to. And look, maybe she still will because Stacey's really good at her job at this point.

And she understands what we need to do on this show. I think she fully understands the show at this point, too. but by doing this and just completely dismissing her every single time, she's never going to tell us what the fuck's going on with TJ. And if she does, you guys aren't going to hear it because you guys are so far gone that you just don't trust her. You don't think that she's ever going to tell the truth. Even if she does tell you the truth, you're not going to know it when it comes through

because you already have that preconceived notion of her. The other part of all of this is Stacey wants friends and Stacey wants to talk to people. The problem is every time that you guys. bring up something to her it's either in a public setting with other people or you bring it up in an antagonistic way everything that you're doing is accusatory rather than hey let's grab a drink we're going to sit down tell me what's going on tell me about you tell me what happened with tj all you guys are doing is getting pissed off at her for things that you don't really know about you have assumptions you have clues but then you're using your your little bit of evidence and

information to just get pissed off at her and yell at her like she lied to who cares by the way with the tj thing like who gives it so far past but at this point i just don't care anymore right and the other part of is like that doesn't have any bearing on any of you it looks bad on stacy right like it's not that deep but you guys can't let this go and then when you do try to talk about it you're immediately upset with her so she doesn't respond or she gets defensive like we saw at the third, fourth, fifth bloom ball, and then AJ comes in and starts getting mad at her too. It's like, all right, guys, if we want her to be able to address some of these things, like you just said, you need to let her talk and you need to not try to poke every damn

second that you get. And she finally gets to reveal the NFL thing that Giselle's been apparently dating Sean Spriggs, breaks out the phone, shows the picture. now this is this is a two-parter for me because on one hand good you've clearly researched and you know that joselle doesn't talk about her love life you're using this opportunity to make her talk about her love life good i think this is a solid move from just a strategy side of things but she's said multiple times she's dating people like this does yeah it's not like a it's not a sticking point. It's literally, I think maybe I'm giving Stacey too much credit, but I think it's

enough where Stacey can say, look, if you're going to keep coming after me, this is what I found out about you. And it's obviously not that deep and it's very easily explained the way, which Chazelle does very quickly. But at least it just puts that little notion in her mind, like, all right, if I keep going after Stacey, she's going to keep digging. And if she's going to come up with something, is she going to find something that somebody said about me? And there's something that, you know, I don't really want to shine a light on or I don't want to have to explain on this show. So maybe it could result in Giselle backing off a little bit because Stacey does a very good job of not bringing it up like a matter of fact. Like you're not telling us about this.

You're who's the liar now? She doesn't do any of that shit. She just brings it up. And she's like, you don't talk about your dating life. But I did find out that you are dating someone. So who's not talking about their dating life now? It's very like noncommittal to a big deal. And Giselle's able to explain it away.

But at least let Giselle know like I'm here. I'm here and I'm telling you about what's going on. now obviously i don't think that she realized it was going to blow up in her face so quickly because everybody knows that she was talking to chris samuels but i still don't think that there's a lot there either but it's not going to matter there's nothing there there i don't even know if they went on a date she was on watch what happens live talking about it like yeah we're friends i don't think it fucking matters to be honest she wasn't on the show when monique was on the show she didn't watch the show when monique was on the show she's not friends with monique who the

fuck cares if she's talking to chris samuels it doesn't matter to me he's a next NFL player that lives in the area he's got some notoriety she doesn't give a shit if there's potomac background there maybe she should but honestly i'm okay with her not knowing it because it at least drums up more interest again in stacy's love life and what's going on there so that's fun for us but it's not this big smoking gun like oh you're talking to chris sammy who gives a shit she's not friends with monique no but the one good thing about this coming out now is it's happening early because this one easily could have hung around all season i'm a little on the same side as you are.

Who gives a shit? Like you could for a little bit, maybe like that's weird that you came on the show and decided to try to hook up with somebody that was on the show. Fine. If you want to go that route briefly, fine. At the end of the day,

like you said, you don't know Monique, you don't know Chris, you don't know the show very well, you're dating an ex-NFL player or trying to slide into his DMs, whatever you were trying to do. Why do we care? Why,

like if Monique was your friend, that's a bigger, even if you're not friends, but you're on the show together, that makes sense. This doesn't matter to me. I don't care if you fucked Chris Samuels, not to be too, to rash there.

Yeah, very, very blunt. Yeah, that felt strong. So I apologize, everybody. That felt strong. But I don't care if you fuck Chris Samuels. Because, like, it doesn't affect us. It doesn't affect anybody there.

And the other thing is you guys haven't talked about Monique in four years. Four years. You don't give a shit. you don't care. So why are you bringing it up now? It's because Ashley and Giselle have this vendetta out against Stacey. You can tell the way that Ashley talks about Stacey and her confessionals.

There's that condescending giggle that I've been talking about that like, oh, it's like the vibe I'm getting is they're treating Stacey like she's beneath them. Yeah. And I think that's bullying. And I don't like it. I don't like it either. Let's see what our fans think. Yeah. oh this is a different take on mean girls from mkv 214 it feels like mean girls coming for angel

am i being fooled or does she seem genuine oh wow i don't think this isn't like i yes the picture comment that is a little mean girly but the rest of it really isn't it's very easy answerable questions that are thrown her away that she's having a really hard time with so yeah if i'm on that cast i'm going to keep tossing her softballs just to see what she does and it's not our fault that she doesn't know I'd answer things. Agreed. Ooh, this is a really good one from M. Woodward. Do we think that the First Lady of Maryland

asked to be taken out before or after the charges for Wendy? Oh, it's a great point. I did not even think about that. We've got to even mention that. Yeah, I did not want to appear on Potomac. That was funny. I'm going to say before, but after is incredibly funny. Yeah.

I'm going to say after because fuck it. that's funnier but i think that it's hilarious absolutely hilarious how big of a deal that the first lady was last episode she wasn't that your party she walked by behind a fence on the other side of a fence yeah yeah get the hell out of here that's not the same thing let's see oh i like this one zoe could the play fuck mary kill gregg darius tj first of all we say boink mary kill here why do you like that one uh we haven't gotten a boink mary kill in a while No, that's fair. Okay.

So Greg, Darius, and T.J. Huh. Boink. Bunk Greg married Darius, killed T.J. Really? I guess the other money. Okay. Yeah.

See, I was going to point Darius because he's clearly got a lot of practice. Nice. But then I'd have to marry Greg. Yeah. Greg's a dig. I don't want to do with T. TJ's dying on both of them. ours let's be real that's not that's not a thing uh i would have to go with yours then

yeah because you know he might be it's the right answer he might be boikin other ladies and having kids but at least i got that that NFL money yeah i'm on your team uh from a deer into headlights feels like angel is afraid of joselle how do you say nothing when called a catfish that was also very interesting that she was able to have jazelle in her face saying and questioning the pictures on instagram and she still had all of her energy towards Wendy. Yeah, that's a good point. So, yeah, I think she is afraid of Jazele.

That's a good point. Disappointed in Jazele still being a bully at her big age. Isolating Stacey is a bad look. It is a bad look. Agreed. From Hey, WMS, Hey, Ooms. Hey, ums. Hey, I'm getting stuck on the wrong thing.

How do you guys feel about Wags taking over Potomac? I'm not against it. Yeah, I think there's a lot of content there. I think it's going to be important how we're discussing that stuff. Because I see it getting irritating quickly. Yeah. But it does bring a lot of potential drama outside. Yeah.

I like that. I just think it's going to be interesting to watch how they navigate that part of it. But I like it. I like it a lot, actually. Anything that we can tie into like real world shit that's like relatable, at least. And by relatable, I mean, like, we watch a lot of football. So, like, we like this kind of stuff. But I do think that it runs the risk of having some potential downfalls.

Yeah, I agree. And we'll do one more here from Katrina. Is Angel a liar or does she have a bad memory? A little bit of both. I don't know if it's a bad-in-lawyer. Yeah, I think she's just a liar. I think she gets caught, and then she lies. I think she's just frazzled.

Yeah, I think she's just rattled. I don't think that she's ever going to be able to settle down, though. Now they've got her. She's just going to be stuck. I'm going to do one more here from Mary Had a Little. Not a cue, but I wanted to thank you for all the episodes lately. I just lost my dad, and it has helped me keep some sense of normalcy. Well, we're so sorry for your loss.

And if we can bring you any kind of joy during this time, and we are honored to do so. Just know that you have a community here, all these other people that listen to us. We're all here for you. So thank you for sharing. We're thinking about you and stay strong. And hopefully our episodes help out a little bit. That makes doing OC episodes a little easier. Absolutely.

You didn't expect that. no but we will see where this season goes uh i'm cautiously optimistic because like i said a lot of positives just yeah there's some things we've got to clean up it's got to clean it up a little bit you know up time yeah hit the practice field let's clean it up a little bit but uh that's all i got you got anything else nope that's our show bro's got to go there are vampires out there They walk among you, shoulder to shoulder in the dark. Heading to work, heading home, going to the bar. It's a life just like anyone else's, and I have grown used to it, to the darkness, to the moon, to the taste of blood on my tongue.

But vampires are dying out. We are a fading kind, and I am the first one created in so long, and that is a dangerous thing to be. Those who came before me, elders of all stripes, they do not want to see our kind gone, and they will do anything to keep their power. And for myself, and for grace who created me, that is a sword that hangs above our heads. And the worst person of all carries our secret, and he will use it however he sees fit. Who do you look to when things are at their darkest? From the creators of Parkdale Haunt comes Woodbine, a podcast about monsters, dreams, and changes, those you want, and those you never saw coming. Season two arise September 24th, distributed by Realm.

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