Bros & Shows - No Seafood Boil for The Vasectomy Boy? (The Valley Full Recap S3E16)

Episode Date: July 17, 2026

What's up bros?? We're still stuck here with the Valley and still stuck on discussing the birthday boy and his bad drinking or whatever. We get a minor move in the right direction again because of Lala pointing the finger at Kristen basically saying "hey, if you can figure this out with Danny we'll be ok" and "hey, if you can figure this out with Janet we'll be ok". The whole show might need to be thrown out but we've said that at least 50x this season alone so what do we know? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Don't worry. If you thought that we were not going to talk about Danny's birthday because it's no longer Danny's birthday, you were mistaken. We are still going to talk about Danny's birthday multiple times. Yeah, it's not only Danny talking about his birthday, but it's his wife talking about his birthday, his friends talking about his birthday, people that don't like him talking about his birthday. Why?

Can we just call it a day? Like, just literally and figuratively. Let's just fucking call it a day. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be... Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine.

Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite podcast from The Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the...

one and only shooter Magouter. I don't have energy for names when we have to watch this show. So your shooter. Yeah. I don't have energy in general because I'd move today. But thankfully the episode was a lot of fucking nothing,

which you know what? That's a win in my book. If I watch an entire episode of the Valley and I don't really get aggravated and I don't really get annoyed, I'm all right with that. I'm okay with that because there is no world in which we can't cover the show. so we just have to accept it. So if you want to give us a complete nothing burger,

we could just kind of make shit up. Like we could do people really like to yesterday. We spent 15 minutes talking about God knows what. So we could just do that for like 40 minutes and be like, oh yeah, by the way, Lala and Kristen had a conversation. And Kristen's still clueless.

Yeah, that was kind of frustrating to watch, especially because she plays the card of like, I, you know, I'm just too busy in my own little bubble to notice. It's like, no, you're not because you comment on other shit.

So like that doesn't track. But yeah, we got a few. comments from people saying that they enjoyed our talk. Someone referenced the double slit experiment that I talked about with the electron, so that's always fun. We could do a little science corner. But yeah, guys, we are multifaceted individuals, okay? We love Bravo and reality TV, but we offer a lot more, okay? And it's time you recognize that. Okay. I was already laughing. I have a childish mind. You said double slit experiment,

and I start laughing. But anyway, Yeah. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? But yeah, I don't know. I mean, Danny was barely in this episode. Nia was barely in this episode. We still talked about them the whole fucking time.

It was really sad when Lala had to put her dog down. That's it. Right? That's the episode. So that's all I got. You got anything else? Zach and Janet followed and unfollowed. Why is that a thing?

I don't know. They had a 30 minute conversation in regards to that. God. It's just, I know that we try not to do this. And we've talked about not doing it. And we still do it anyway. But it is really, really difficult to go from a show like in the city to the valley where you see people who actually like, yeah, they have drama on screen, but they have their

shit together. Then you go over to the valley. It's like, you guys are pretty much the same age. It's almost like a spitting image, East Coast, West Coast. this is like a child's play you go over to the in the city you're like wow that's kind of cool I like where you guys are

you go over to here and it's like oh we're gonna go to some weird taco chain restaurant and we're gonna look at the fucking or I don't even know what the hell that restaurant was but we're gonna look at the menu for about 15 minutes

because it lights up like a refrigerator it's like Jesus it was a hotel that was a hotel yeah we stayed in a sofa hotel for one of our live shows I was like that's where we're going to dinner yeah we did the one where we had bunk beds

that was No, what was that? I swear. Maybe. I forget what that was. The show was in the hotel. That part was nice, but the room was wacky.

Yeah, that was kind of nuts. But we had bug beds and also a bedbed. And what else? It was like a room. Oh, yeah. No, the bathroom, the bathroom was a shower.

The whole bathroom was. Yeah. Thank you. The whole bathroom was a shower. Oh, that was awesome, dude. that that was like and i i don't think by that point in time i really comprehended like what like a hostel was in europe but then since then i've seen one a hostel's nicer than whatever the fuck we were staying and that's what i thought it was i'm like oh this makes sense we've got bunk beds we've got a bathroom

that is a shower and to explain this the whole bathroom is a shower the the the faucet and the shower head just kind of squirt at you from the sink it was bizarre the drain is in the middle of the room it was so fun in there we're only there for one night sit on the toilet like in the shower. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I tried to do that.

It didn't really work out that well. It doesn't really speak. I feel like that's a bad combo. Like you, it sounds better on paper, I think. If you're doing like a sit down pee, like that's fine.

Kind of like a bidet. No, like a reverse bidet. You'd have to flip upside down to get the same. You know what? No. Not a, just not a bidet.

But it's like, hey, hey, do you hate getting out of the shower when you have to poop? Boy, do I've got something for you. Well,

that's what they do. doing like tiny homes and shit it's like a completely the whole bathroom is oh dude what do you roll it i would if i didn't have a family they're not a thing anymore people don't care i would i was like i would 100% be a tiny home i would get it and build it on the back of my truck i would live in probably the parking lot at the gym so i would have a shower wake up go to the gym shower go over to whole foods and work and go about my day i could thrive in that environment sometimes i forget you're from the cell so that makes sense yeah i have a mix of the two but yeah i could totally do that park my little tiny home in like a field sometimes then just drive wherever the fuck i want go park by a

creek this this sounds nice actually i'm gonna try to convince dev to do the tiny home light with me Danny and nia probably should have done that like just get a tiny home and just go where in santa carita yeah let's still live in santa clarita but at least then when you're driving you can still bring all of your kids because you have to bring all of your kids to film with them. So why not? Just throw them all in there. And then you can just drive back and forth. It'll make life a lot easier for them.

Honestly, you could have a trailer that you pull behind and that can be your- Within babysitter that they don't use. That would be great too. And then just constantly complain about not using the babysitter. And you could drive your babysitter around in your tiny home and then be like, where's the babysitter? Like, oh, she's back there.

This is a good idea. We're advocating for tiny homes. By the way, tiny homes are not a thing of the past. Now you can order the things from Amazon. Have you seen those? It comes like a, it's a big box. It's almost like a cargo, what a shipping container, right?

But a little smaller. And they drive it to your property. And everything just kind of folds out and you attach things to it. It's like, I think it's $10,000 and it makes a little house. You know what I am getting? This is real, actually. You know what I'm getting for the backyard? they make these kits.

They're like bunk houses. But you can put insulation in them and stuff. And they're anywhere from like 10 to 30 grand. And you can get two story ones. So I'm going to get that. And then I'm going to put like a gym out there, a sauna, a little play area. And then I'm going to insulate it. And so it's going to be like the backyard facing the house.

And in between I'm going to make another patio. It'll be like a whole thing. I'm very excited about this. Kind of cool. But like, can you just get a fucking pool? Like we don't know anybody that has. I know you can just think of the people you belong to. I know, but I want you to have a pool.

What about me? I think pools, pool, no, I think pools are wildly overrated. I think that people think it's cool to say, yeah, I have a pool. Do you know how much maintenance that shit is? And then I live in, I'm not going to docks myself, but this area is a marsh. So no, my pool would be like filled with shit water all the time. I have a swamp. My backyard turns into a swamp.

Have you seen the backyard when it rains? It's insane. So imagine that going. into my pool. But I feel like if you make it well enough, then maybe it would have a byproduct of not actually flooding. And you could just have a swamp out there. I don't want one.

You can Shrek. Don't you want to be Shrek? I would love to be Shrek, but I don't want a pool. I don't think Shrek got a pool. Get a swamp. Yeah. We got a swamp.

It would be better for you anyway. Pool, pool or pot. Pond is better for you. Uh, but anyway, enough rambling. There you go. We gave you another weird intro guys.

Uh, and that's just to avoid talking. about the valley like we really talk about anything else oh wait oh we there is something we do have to talk about before we even go to the episode which sucks um do you think we're going to get jacks at the end of the season like it's going to be on it so here's what i think that what i think is happening genuinely i believe that they don't like the way that the show went and i believe that they are going to plug and play jacks once again in an effort to try and make this show better and this was the perfect way to force him back into the show because we have these pictures of him

hooking up with his publicist. Who fucking cares? I posted that on our story. Who asked for this? And we got too many ironic responses. Too many people like, hmm, that prenuisseurs.

Stop it. Yeah. You knock it off. You know what I meant by that. But I think they're going to try to shoehorn him back in to quote unquote save the show. If you're trying to tag Jacks Taylor in to save your program, you're in serious trouble. I think that's why it's so funny.

because they don't realize they're in trouble. They think they're in trouble because people don't like the show and we all complain about it. But it's because of everybody on the show. Like, we don't like anybody on the show. There's two people that you can pick and choose and be like, yeah. And I'm not counting like Benji and Zach together because we obviously like them. I'm counting them as one person.

Yeah. You can take like, throw Jasmine in there. If you're a Jesse fan or a Lacey fan, fine, go for it. But you can't go higher than two. No one who watches the show as much as we do and have to watch it every single week, likes more than two people on this entire cast. It's brutal. It is slim pickings out there.

But the publicist thing really makes me laugh. Like, could you imagine knowing all of Jacks Taylor's deepest, darkest secrets and probably like burying storylines, helping him out, getting away with things, and then falling in love with him? No.

Does that make any sense? No, I can't. Unless you're just like a narcissist yourself and you are attracted to narcissists. I don't understand why. And I think the biggest thing, and that's why I posted like,

who asked for this? this, I'm being serious. Like, jokes aside, I don't want him back on my screen. And yes, he's going to be in it because they're soft launching his return to the show. That's what's going to happen. And you really think, like, we've got enough dark shit on this show. Jacks Taylor is a walking cloud of shit. I don't need that.

The show, the show is suffering from the lack of fun, from the lack of light moments, from lack of just like funny ha ha hang out and have a good time putting jacks back in doesn't solve that problem if you put sandiball back in then you get both and i understand like what there's so many comments about us like we nobody wants sandiball back nobody wants jacks back if we're going on back jacks is way further down the list than sandiball should be so i i think we're safe to say that but even though you and i both do actively want sandiball back on the show i mean he's You want to make the show good. I mean, if you want the show to be good, put them back.

Yeah. Like, watching the two of that, like, watching Sandoval and Doty interact and have to go through all of that kind of sounds fun to me. It sounds way more fun than whatever the fuck this is. But it's really funny, too, because I also saw Bravo posted on Instagram. They posted like, you know, they do like the screenshots with the quotes underneath. They posted them from this episode. Every single one of them was like really nice, fun, sweet.

They're making it look like this show is fun. And I think that's ridiculous. Like you really had to go through a fine tooth comb all the way through the episode to be like, all right, this is cool, this is cool, this is cool. We've got five slides right here. Maybe somebody who doesn't watch this will be like, oh, my God, Lala, oh, my God, Doty. Looks like they're having a good time. Let me check in.

And now they're depressed. Now depression has set in because they watch this show. That's what happens. So now Bravo is illicit in terms of making people sad. So that sucks. They, like, here's my frustration. All right. And I know I keep hammering it all.

that's the problem with this show. And I do blame Jeremiah. It all comes back to Jermaine's dumb ass. This is what he thinks the people want. I don't even know the Numbies. Have we checked ratings lately? Like, how is the show doing? I don't see that.

I always see it for the shows that I'm curious about. I just genuinely do not give a shit about what the numbers are for the Valley, but I could probably find it pretty quickly. I imagine it's been tumbling. I think it was tumbling. I think I saw in the beginning of the season. was pretty low, or at least it said series low. A lot of people have been complaining about it.

The problem is that clearly people are still watching because obviously we get a lot of views. No, I mean, it's not, it's been holding steady between 450 to 500,000 per episode. That's fucking ludicrous. I know. It's ridiculous. Who, like, there's 500,000 people watching this shit live that are subjecting themselves to it. That's insane. I, look, let's do a little experiment.

In the comments or in our questions or whatever for the next time, DM, I don't care. Please, if you enjoy this show, this is not me being sarcastic or trying to be a dick. If you enjoy this show, genuinely like it. Can you please DM us and tell us why? Like, I'm not, this is no shade. I want to understand what you see in this show. And if there's a lot of people that see something similar, then maybe we're just part of a group that doesn't like it. Maybe there's a whole other group out here

that's like, I love this show. I think that the reasoning is always the same. It's always the stuff that we don't really like. It's that it's so real. It's ultra real. Is it really? Like, do you? I don't think. I don't believe anybody on this cast, honestly.

But I think that's genuine. Like, that's the consensus for people who actually like it or at least enjoy it somewhat. They always say, and they always fall back on, this is real life. We like watching real life. It's not played up for the camera. I still think it's played up for the cameras. My point is they're all fucking losers.

Every single one of them. They're just annoying losers. So I don't really want to watch losers go through life. Like that makes me sad. I just don't like how it's always negative. You know, there's enough negativity in this world right now. I don't want to watch a show weekly that makes me more sad. But let's dive in to this episode.

There wasn't a whole lot going on. It's a lot of the same stuff. That's another, you know, if we're just talking from a show, structure standpoint and run of show and like the basics that make a show good or not. If you're talking about the same thing, oh, what? Did they, did they say next week is the finale or no? No, but it did hint. It felt it felt like it was hinting towards that, but here's my thing.

That's going to be episode 15. I don't remember a season ever ending on the 15th. I remember the 16th episode seasons. So I think we may have two more if I had to guess. No, we probably have said. they probably they probably throw it another episode for jacks oh shit yeah we got extra and then the reunion i thought it was gonna end at jasmine and melissa's wedding slash engagement party whatever that was i thought that that was a nice moment like i love jasmine and i love melissa i'm glad that like

that's a happy bright moment in this show is those two like i was cool if that was the end they didn't talk about any other plans like there's no there's always something at the end whether it's direct launching the cover of her book or something else there's always an event at the end so is there no event at the end that they just like keep cameras rolling they're like oh i guess we haven't really gotten a resolution or we haven't gotten Kristen to realize that danny's a prick oh wait dany uh just got ball surgery so i guess we have to wait another episode the amount of time we spent on that like he was getting fucking spinal fusion is insane like it's not that serious of a of a fucking they didn't even have a crab boil like if they keep that going at least

trying to give me, have a crab boil before your surgery. I don't know. But, like, I mean, Britney's surgery was way more invasive, but way more, like, needing more rehab and whatnot afterwards than Danny's was. And he acted like he might die. It was embarrassing, like, genuinely embarrassing. But, okay, let's do this. We're ready.

We're ready to break it down. As I was saying right before this, just generally speaking, if you have a show that, each week you talk about the same things over and over and over and over and over again. That's not a good show, period. Like we have literally talked about the Danny stuff since day one of this season. And that's all we've talked about. And we've talked about how other people feel about the Danny situation.

We talked about how Doty, why are you supporting this whole thing? That's it. The only other things that have come up are because freak accidents happened. Zach got hit in the head by a sign. So we shifted for a second. Like that it takes, it literally takes somebody almost being decapitated to change the subject. That's not good.

That is not good. Nope. Nope. Not at all. And I just don't give a shit about Danny and Nia sitting down because we know they fake scenes. We know they rehearse scenes. We know they wait until the camera people get there and they have everything already queued up and ready to roll.

I don't care what they have to say. I just don't. How do you feel like Mexico was? It was such a great day on my birth. birthday. My birthday was such a freaking birthday. I was the birthday boy of all birthday boys and they had to ruin my night.

I don't, you know, and Nia, I just like, friends aren't mean. Mean people aren't friends. Okay, guys, right? No one wants to be friends with mean people. You learn that when you're five. And I still act like I'm five. But, you know, I'm also married a five year old. So it's okay, guys.

And like, mean people, you know, I just, they're not my friends. Jesus Christ. lady, spit it out. Like the whole fucking, like soliloquy about mean people and then finally coming to the realization. Like, you know what? They're not my friends. Shut up.

Like, go away. I can't. I just can't with these people. Here's my biggest thing, right? As they're talking about the Mexico trip and birthday, birthday, birthday, birthday, at what point during this entire season, half a last year, will you ever, ever have a conversation of, hey, why do you think? think everyone keeps coming after us. Hey, maybe there's something going on that we're not recognizing

that's causing this or adding to it. I don't know. We have yet to see a convo. It's just crazy to me. Yeah, I know, but they sweep it and they don't acknowledge it. But like at some point, you guys should sit down and be like, hey, not that they would ever do that. And they might be doing that off camera. We know they're not giving their real thoughts on camera, which is another thing and another point of frustration. And again, I don't know why they're on the show. I don't understand why they're on the show. Why would they subject themselves to this? If they think that these people, all they're trying to do is ruin Danny's name and paint him like this monster. Now, why are you subjecting yourself to it? You move to Santa Clarita. You're five hours away from LA now. Stay there.

And stop filming them. Because I promise you this. With them off the show, this show is entirely different. It is night and day. What would be at the forefront would be Doty and Luke in that disaster, which can 100% carry a season, and then we can see what other people are doing, and some people will have fun.

We'll see some light moments because they're not bogged down by this. Jesse talks about it. Schwartz talks about it. Like when Schwartz is talking about a topic, multiple episodes, something's wrong, because that guy doesn't talk

the same thing ever no that's a really really good point so again this was really the only scene that had danny and nia talking about things and i'm happy about that i mean i don't even know what the fuck happens when all the dudes came over to danny's house they drove all the way out there to go support him before he got his surgery whatever i don't think they didn't talk about anything i mean they did kind of they did they brushed off trauma and pretty much minimize janet's experience but we can talk about that when we get there yeah and he wasn't danny wasn't even the the main aggressor and all of that weirdly. But, uh,

yeah, I just, I don't know what to do with these people. Well, happy moment. We do get to see Jasmine trying on dresses. I, amidst all of this shit, I thought this is a really sweet scene.

She's trying on her dresses. Zach, former roommate, best friend, he's there, Britney's there, mom's there, sisters there.

And it's just like a nice moment. And we get to kind of get more of the background of how she got there. And, that she was always kind of nervous. She went on a journey to find her sexuality. And along the way, she was nervous that her mom wouldn't fully accept the idea of her marrying a woman.

Come to find out, mom had changed up her prayers just to find the right person for her daughter, which I, that was so cool to hear. She's like, I was praying for a good man, praying for a good man.

Every single time that she would come home, she'd be devastated. So I changed my prayer and said, send someone that's going to love her. and take care of her. And boom, Melissa entered the picture. I just, I can't imagine what that's like. We'll never know what that's like.

To get that acceptance from your parent has to be such like a, just weight off your shoulder like, oh, like, okay. You know, and again, we will never know that feeling. But I just thought it was cool. And I thought it was cool that mom shared that with us. Yeah, it was nice scene. And Brittany also was in the scene. And she's been fine.

I thought she looked great, by the way. I want to give credit. I thought Brittany looked great. Yeah, I saw a lot of people saying the other, the opposite of that towards the end of the episode. But yeah, that's just the nature of the game, I guess. It's kind of interesting, though, because the, in the midst of all the shitty Christian people on the show, we finally get somebody who's like, hey, this is what I did. And that's spiritual. And this is religion.

That's good. That's the good side of things. Danny and the, not so much. The bad, bad. The dark side of things. But anyway, let's get to Doni and Luke's. for a quick check in here. And, you know, I will, I will say it seems like they're just trying to figure this whole thing out.

And there is a lot of back and forth. There's a lot going on. It's just every time we get to these moments. And I don't know if he's just an asshole or if he's bad at talking or I don't know. But his, the way that he responds to things is just so confusing to me. because Doty brings up Jesse bringing up the fact that it's like, oh, there may not be a wedding and all that. And as she's talking, she makes a very good point. Like, hey, you asked me to marry you.

And this was not part of the proposal. And he's like, well, you know, I wasn't expecting this. I hate myself. And like, there's so much crazy shit going on. Kaya really threw a wrench into things. And I just don't know. It's like, can you not just say in the moment like, hey, things are hard. We're figuring this out.

Of course I'm going to marry you. Let's just get through these hard times. We'll sit down and we'll plan a wedding. No, you still have to leave it ambiguous that maybe there's still a chance you don't get married. That's what I take from all of these scenes. I'm like, so you're still confirming, Luke, that there is a potential non-wedding in the future. Why? Because he's a fucking asshole.

I mean, like, I don't get it. See, I think you're getting there. I'm already there. We did the whole song and dance about like, you know what? Like we see the bad moments. They really focus on the bad moments. It's probably not that bad. And we see some good moments, but like, see, it's not that bad.

It is that bad. Doty used to be cool as shit. She should not marry this fucking dork. This dude, things. This guy is an absolute loser. I can't. I really can't. I'm completely done with Luke.

Between everything that he's done this season, the way he talks to Kristen, the way he's only focused on himself after Kristen gave birth to their daughter. Have you seen him like really be loving towards his daughter either? He's always focused on himself. Like he's an absolute man child. He's 34 years old. He's like,

is this what I thought my life was going to look like when I was 34? No, you probably thought you were going to be like seven or eight days without a shower living in a fucking shack in Wyoming fishing every day away from all females. And instead you're in L.A. and you still can't come to grips with that because you're a little tiny dick. Like that's what he is. He's just,

I'm done with Luke. I don't think Doty should marry him. I think she can do so much better. I think she can move on with her life. and just get rid of the empty baggage. Like, that's where I am with Luke. Wow. Shooter rant.

He's such a loser. Well, I didn't care for that. I didn't care for how he's handled most situations. And I don't care for how he talks about Janet and her trauma. And literally anything. I don't care for the wrong thing. Yeah. You know,

it's always like, woe is me or completely disregarding other people's feelings or experiences and just say like, yeah, like that's he just does that little like he's changing too like he I think he used to be hanging out with jessie why I don't even think it's Jesse I think it's Danny honestly oh that's right you're totally right it is Danny Jesse's actually slowly getting better thanks to Lacey like he's yeah Lacey is a little bit better um no but I really I really think

that Luke is hanging out with Danny way too much and he's also he's got a voice and that's the worst thing that this dude could have ever gotten because no one needs to hear your thoughts. That's a good point. That's well said. But anyway, let's keep moving because I don't want to talk about that fact. Again, you know, he's like getting our footing before planning a wedding, blah, blah, blah. Sure, fine. But there's definitely a middle ground to this where you can, you can show some optimism and give her some support through this because she keeps saying like, hey, man, this is temporary. Brittany has told you, hey, man, this is temporary. Lala, everybody that has had postpartum, everybody that's had a child

is telling you like, yeah, dude, this is the thick of it. We are going through it right now. And I would argue this is probably the biggest indicator of can we handle marriage? Can we do this? Are you going to bail on me when shit gets hard? Because this is the hardest

it's been and use this close to fucking bailing. So like not if you're Kristen and you're going through this right now with your first kid when you're supposed to be happy. Like everything was going well. They got engaged. They have a baby. Things are still going pretty well.

Now you're talking to him and you're just trying to get this guy not to sleep on the couch drunk three times a week. Like you don't want to have another kid with this guy. Like could you imagine like you finally get through all of these hardships and you're like, all right, we're married. We went through with everything. Things have gotten better. Maybe we should have another kid. And then you flash back to how it was when you had Kaya.

No, just leave him. Like she should be done with this dude. I don't know how it's going to shake out. I there's a part of me that that's holding on to hope that he's going to snap the fuck out of it. And like next season, he's going to be like, wow, they handled that like shit. I don't know. I see. That's the thing that I've kind of given up hope on is that he's not, this is gone way beyond a I'm handling this situation.

Well, it's gotten worse. It's gotten worse, but he's showing his personality and his personality just kind of tells me he's going to do it again. And this is never going to change. Yeah, boy, I guess we will find out. They are definitely going to run the season back or the show back. But we get to Lala, and I always forget about her brother with his dreadlocks. And the saddest thing of this entire episode is Lily, Lala's dog. And she's talking about her journey with the dog.

I cried. Hand up, I cried at this scene because I have a similar experience with my dog, Louis. He was there through the worst of it. It was just me and him when I was like at my absolute worst. mom swears that I would be dead had it not been for Louis because as Lala says, Lily gave him her a purpose, right? The only thing that I cared about in the midst of all that shit when I was literally going to bed hoping I didn't wake up, well, I have to wake up because I have to feed Lou.

I have to take, I have to make sure he's okay. That was my driving force through all of that. I didn't care about myself at all, but I didn't want him to suffer. So it literally, he gave me a purpose. So when she said, I was like, oh, my God, totally understand that. Can't imagine what that's like to have to put her down. I'm not even going to think about that thought with Lou because he's immortal and he will live forever. But it was really touching.

Like I was really sad and like totally understood where she was coming from. And it kind of sucked to relive it. But it was also like a good reminder. Yeah. I mean, she also kind of turned it into a happy thought because Lily had been able to do so many things with Earth, go from Salt Lake City up to L.A., go through. go through all of those things, be on a private jet, which she had the shoehorn in there,

which I was okay with because she was talking about a dog. But there were so many things. And it's just, it's always one of those things where it's like, would you rather lose a dog like suddenly out of nowhere

or would you rather watch the dog get old and have to make that decision at some point? So I think she kind of came to terms of it. It was actually kind of cool to watch Lala go through that because it was real emotions. A lot of the things that Lala does is not real. This was very real. This was good,

real emotions. And she was able to have a great season. She has, honestly. And it's so funny too because like last week I was going through while looking for pictures. Last week people were like, oh yeah, of course Lala is going to be the one to talk to Danny. It's like, all right, shut up. Like I know wrong messenger, but like she did a pretty good job.

And Danny fucking sucks and you guys just don't realize that because you don't like Lala. Nobody should have anything bad to say about the scene. No, this scene was super nice. But Doty comes over and they're recap in Mexico and the last night, obviously. And this is where I get frustrated. and like confused because Doty sure she's done a lot of stupid shit over the years but she usually clocks people pretty well.

Like she usually sees through shit. So that's why this whole thing has been such a question mark. And as Lala says like at the very least, we can agree like Danny's not a good drinker. Well, maybe it's not drinking. Maybe it's their reactionary. That makes him an asshole. Like is that why he's just an asshole?

well, I'm playing devil's advocate. Okay, well, I don't understand how you defend this person. You're seeing what's happening. You're hearing the things that are coming out of his mouth. You're seeing the way that he talks to women. You're seeing how he talks to his wife? Like, how is that not? Well, you know, I'm just not, no, I'm in my bubble.

I'm just in my bubble. I can't get out. So you can't get out of that, but you do notice that Zach needs to stop drinking, Brittany needs to stop drinking, and Jasmine needs to stop drinking. So you are noticing things. You're just not noticing Danny and Nia, because for some reason, you have to, it upon yourself to be their defender in the comments section currently on the show while we're

watching. I don't get it. And I do think a lot of it, like I've said in the past, I think a lot of it has to do with the timing in which she had her baby and which Nia had her baby. I do think she leaned on Nia really hard. And I think that's great that she had somebody during that. But seeing her blinders to this whole situation is beyond frustrating because she would have the spoke for anybody else in this same situation, but for some reason, Danny doesn't get clocked. And I think that would be the missing piece of this puzzle.

How do we hold Danny accountable? How do we finally check him to get him to understand? A good doughty meltdown would probably do the trick, but we're not going to get that. No, we're not going to get that. The ship has sailed. The only way that we can get through that is if he's off the show,

which probably won't happen with these producers. But this scene is just a load of horseshit. It really was. I know for a fact, Kristen has noticed it. It's just still like Janet hate. It's other people hate. I don't know exactly what it is.

I don't really care to figure out her psyche at this point. But actively defending somebody is not playing devil's advocate. I think we can agree with that, right? That's not what devil's advocate is. Devil's advocate is, yeah, you might be right or I might be leaning your way. But let me just show you the other side so that we can have a more common conversation about this,

where we can figure it out from the middle out. Okay, guys. No, that's not what you're doing. Every time that somebody brings up Danny or Nia or Danny's drinking or the things that he's done in the past, you turn a blind eye. You don't want to talk about it or you deflect and go towards somebody else. So that's just not what you're doing. This was so strange. I mean, again, Lala and Doty have such a like long history together.

She's just actively lying. She really is. And I just don't know why. And I feel like that's the maddening thing that I've given up on at this point because we're never going to get there. I just don't understand why she doesn't. It's not the friendship with Nia. We watched that conversation with Brittany and Kristen a couple of weeks ago, where she said, you know,

Nia's been there for me for a long time. And we've really gone through a lot of things together. And then you have Brittany, who's Kristen's best friends saying, you guys don't even fucking hang out. Like, what are you talking about? You guys don't do anything together. You never do anything together.

So you guys aren't best friends. She hasn't been there for you. So that's out the window. Now you're saying you're living in your little bubble. Your bubble's about to burst because Luke sucks and you're trying to figure that out. I understand if you just go that direction. Like, hey, I've got a lot of shit to figure out.

I just don't have time to also discuss Danny like the rest of you are. I would respect that in some way. I would still roll my eyes because I'm like, all right, fine, you're the last ditch effort. You're the last straw that really needs to fall for us to actually have this conversation, but you're not going to do it.

So that's frustrating. But I would at least understand that. This conversation was just weird. It was just stupid. Like, I don't even know what you're talking about. I even noticed it. Like, what do you mean you haven't noticed it?

He was screaming at people the other night and calling himself the birthday boy. What are we doing? I don't know. And that's where I, my frustration hits a peak because again, you're noticing Zach Jasmine and Brittany, but you're not noticing Danny. Like that doesn't track. It doesn't make sense.

And like, Lala's going to check her later because she tries to use a defense that doesn't make sense again. And I was like, whoa, whoa, I'll save her for when we get there. But yeah, the one nice takeaway is, you know, Lala, like you said, they've been friends for a long time. And she does see what Doty's been going through.

she does empathize. She's like, hey, let's get you back on your feet. Even if it's like, we're going to go out tomorrow night for 45 minutes and then the next time it's 50 and like slowly build yourself back up. I want to go have a celebration for my seven year sobriety date. I want you to come. I have a nice dinner away from the kids. Then we go back to our babies.

What do you say? She's a hell yeah. So like that's what makes it hard because like I want to root for Doty. Like I like Doty. We've always liked Doty. But this is a side of Doty that we've never seen. and not the side of postpartum, the side of the Danny defense where she's blindly defending somebody when the evidence is there to not do that. That's what's confusing. Yeah, very.

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And he's like, my anxiety is like an eight out of ten. Your wife has had four children, four kids. That's, that is work. That is something to have a party for the night before. That is something to talk about. You're having a guy with the smallest scalpel ever numb you, give you nitrous, and then go snip. That takes seven and a half minutes. It's not even 10 minutes. And we have spent so much time building up to this episode, so much time during this episode. And he's talking like he's getting his balls completely cut off. Like I don't get why this has been, and I do, like I totally know why.

There's nothing else to talk about. So now Danny's vasectomy has taken center stage. And then we have to sit there during the vasectomy party. And hear him talk about it was my birthday. can you believe it on my birthday boy they treated it like that and i see la la over there like me man man i'm glad that jesse jumped in because we saw his his somewhat moment of clarity during the party and he was like yeah you know i talked to janet there's the first time that i heard or be vulnerable and i was like oh good that's good and then the way that he spins i was like oh no that's not good

because he's like you know just uh why haven't you said it from the beginning like the timing i'm like you're no fuck you don't why why is that the route we're going to take this is the timing is suspect she said in her confessional she said two people she talked to this is all things that i have come to terms with recently in therapy i kind of figured out what was going on and how it affected me it is not for you to say jesse or dote or anyone else has a fucking problem with the timing when she's supposed to come forward and discuss her experience guess what maybe she's didn't know it until all this happened and boom it triggered something she's like oh my god and then she found out more about what she went through she learned about that experience and how it actually

affected her so i don't give two fucks if she brings it up two days later two days before when danny's doing all this shit it is irrelevant and for the fact that we are going that route and we sit there and loop chimes in and says some stupid shit shut up danny's over there saying some stupid shit and jessey's questioning the timeline. And Tom fucking Schwartz of all people is, is the most rational guy there. You know, I don't love that we're, we're kind of, you know, dismissing her feelings and dismissing the trauma. Like, it just seems kind of wrong. So I'm just going to change the subject. I don't like that this is happening. If Schwartz is the voice of reason

amongst a group of dudes, we have lost the plot. We are on another fucking planet. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is a tough one. Um, I, also just like doing the thought process because I know there's going to be a lot of people out there that agree with everything that they're saying where like oh yeah Janet brought this up at the time where it makes it seem like it's something else whatever just do the thought process because I know there's also going to be people out there saying why can't Janet just go to Danny or talk to Nia about this do the thought process yourself and see how that conversation goes in your head it's not going to work it's not in a million years Nia would go to her confessional she would say a couple of things to Janet that go to the confessional and be like oh it's just you know a little suspicious with this timing, Danny would go to his confession and be like, I feel like she's projecting on me. That's the big problem here. And then he would have a conversation with her about her projecting on him.

So yeah, that conversation just doesn't work out. I don't particularly like Janet, but this isn't something that you just kind of throw around willy-nilly. It's not the same thing as her using the essay acronym, throwing it at Danny because he was actually doing shit like that, which we get people in the comments all the time saying, like,

well, I think that's sexual, it is sexual. He just grabbed her ass. Like, I, We literally had a woman say like, my friend did that to me, like, all the time. It's like, that's okay.

Weird. Fucking weird. And it's not for you to dictate how an experience affects somebody. So, like, again, irrelevant. It should just be like, let's not go there. Like, oh, okay, that's what Janet's saying. Then let's not talk about it. Because she wants to talk about it.

We'll have a conversation. We'll listen to her. If she wants to continue talking about it, and she wants to use it this way or that way, we'll figure out how it's going to go and how it's going to affect me or how we have to address that. That's the normal way to do it. This isn't. This is just kind of gross.

No, especially when you have Danny who obviously problematic to speak on this. And Luke, who has been digging this whole the entire season of being a piece of shit and an idiot. And then he throws this in the ring too. It's like, brother, just fucking stop. Stop talking. because every time you do, you get in more hot water. And again, like you said to the people that are like, all this suspicious timing, shut up.

Like use a pragmatic approach here and try to understand how that could have happened, why the timing can make sense, because Janet walked us through it. This happened and it triggered something and she went to therapy. This was like all somewhat recent in these revelations where she started to realize how much she was affected by that moment. She didn't even know. We know it's recent because we made fun of her in the first episode for going to therapy.

We're like, ah, here she goes. She's going to therapy. So we do know she went to therapy and did all these things. Exactly. So if you are on that team of things, like take a look in the mirror, please, because it's a pretty shitty spot to be in. But Danny's vasectomy is, again, a 10-minute scene of him making weird noises and like, ooh, oh, oh, oh, like the doctor's making dick jokes.

like I hated the whole thing. I was really bummed out by this scene. It made me feel very uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. Yeah. That's all we have to say about that scene. I'm not interested in talking anymore about it. Nope. Nope. So let's get to Lala sobriety dinner. And you've got

Zach Jasmine, Michelle, Janet, Doty, and Brittany. And it is a big deal. It's seven years sober. It's an incredible milestone. I think it's amazing that Lala, you might not like Lala, but the fact that she has shared her entire journey of recovery on TV. on her podcast, all that stuff.

That takes a lot of balls. And I respect her for that. Like, this has never been a thing where I rolled my eyes at Lala. I've always, always respected the vulnerability when it comes to this topic. So I think it's pretty fucking cool that she got seven years. And she's celebrating that with her friends. But as they're sitting down,

we're talking Mexico once again. Of course, we have to debrief from everything. Not what I thought we were going to talk about. Zach and Janet were kind of keying a little bit in the airport. a few times in Mexico, we saw the scenes. And in a joking fashion, they're like, well, you know, let's follow. Oh, go we follow each other? They follow each other on Instagram.

If it's not a big deal, as Zach is trying to say, then why unfollow her? I can't believe that we're having this fucking conversation. I know. People are incredibly too old. Like, I feel like this is a next, this is actually a next gen conversation. We have this conversation to build next gen. We'll talk about tomorrow. Whether or not she was following or unfollowing people.

now we're doing it with a bunch of almost pushing 40 or over 40 year olds that are doing like this is this is weird this is immature and stupid who the fuck cares like why is this a talking point and not only was at a talking point we did it for like 10 minutes they flipped the coin if the if it lands on heads you got to follow each other okay Zach gets home and unfollow like just fucking mute people like that's what I do you don't want to unfollow somebody or follow somebody just don't follow them the first place I don't give a shit but just mute. but just mute them if they're annoying. Like, just grow up. It's just so weird. The funny thing is, if this was a good season and like an upbeat season, I would probably enjoy this.

Like, ha, that's fun. We're just talking about, you know, goofy stuff. Like, this is a good time.

I think I would be into it. But because of the setup, I'm really not into it. And the one thing we can take away from this scene is, again, like, because of what's happened this season, I'm sure a lot of people think we're like Janet fans now.

I'm really not genuinely. But what I can say objectively speaking is she has made an effort. Could it be with ulterior motives? Absolutely. I wouldn't be surprised if she's trying to get back in good graces to fuck shit up again. I don't know. But I do know that she is trying. I do know that she has made the effort.

And I do know that on these shows, let's take a note from the housewives. There is a goal to have resolution. Like that's something we strive to get. We like to go to the reunion, have some fake resolution. It falls apart in the off season. We do it again next year. And so and so and so. There's been no movement anywhere else.

Nobody is, they're not budging at all. And the funny thing that we're seeing now is Janet was on the outs all last season, half of this season. It's turning now. Now Janet's in. Doty's out, Danny's out, Nia's out. So by defending them, by refusing to give in to Janet, or at least be cordial with Janet, you have somehow worked yourself out of the group. And when Janet says, like, the group's shattered and like, now we know why,

Do you always like, oh, my group's not shattered. Your group sucks. Your group is awful. I would not want to hang out with your group. And then Michelle reiterates what Janet said. She goes, no, the group is shattered. Like, we are shattered. And Michelle is now our voice of reason.

She's our beacon through this whole thing. I know. Janet is, Janet's getting close to, like there's a, there's a bit of a spectrum here. She's still a loser, but she's getting close to quirky.

That's kind of where she is. She's growing a little bit on me. If she gets to quirky, it's just like, all right, yeah, it doesn't really bother me that much. Every once in a while it will. Right now she's still a bit of a loser.

So I'm like, I don't really fucking care. Doty's not the reason why. the group is shattered. The group is shattered because there's a bunch of men and women children that are trying to be friends and be on TV that I have no idea what the fuck they're doing and they're very

petty and they don't want to move forward with anything or somebody did something that's just completely unforgivable. Like that's where we are. The group has been shattering since day one. If you go back to episode one when we still had hope for this show, it started shattering almost instantly when Jesse pants Danny. That's where it all started falling from.

That's exactly where it all started falling part because Nia started crying immediately after. And we all had the same question. What's going on with these people? These people are weird. Are they the fun kind of weird? The depressing kind of weird or the aggravating kind of weird. And it's the latter too, for sure.

Plus probably about 50 other adjectives that I don't really feel like getting into right now. But like the group that's shattered, who gives a shit? I don't. I also don't. I mean, actually no. I might talk myself into it. If Doty and Janet were able to make amends, it would at least be a different.

I don't give a shit about their group of friends because I don't care of about any of them, but it would at least make the show a little bit more watchable. I agree. Because then you have a different storyline. How are Danny and Nia going to react to the fact that Kristen's burying the hatchet with Janet? We know how Janet's going to react. She's going to get way too excited. She's going to do the same thing with Doty that she's been doing with Zach all season,

which is acting like she's friends, waiting for Doty to say the word friends so that she can get all excited, follow her on Instagram and more of the same. But I want to see how Danny and Nia reacted that. I want to see how everybody else kind of falls in line because then Zach will suddenly fall in line. We'll have a little bit more of a cohesive group, but it doesn't mean that it was Kristen's fault that the whole group shattered. The group shattered because you guys just can't get along. And that's okay. But I just don't really understand the whole conversation about this. Like they're going about it the wrong way. No, I agree. And as we go through the party,

it's just again, checking in on how we're feeling about daddy and how we're feeling about Janet. And, you know, Janet's saying, I've done everything I can. And I actually agree with her. It's like at this point, you know, there's nothing you can do to get, back in the good graces. And I don't want to keep doing it. It's kind of painful. Yeah. And like Lala makes a good point where it's like, we've seen this question a hundred

times. I have yet to get an answer from Zach or Doty that makes sense as to why they hate Janet so much. Like what has she done to them personally beyond the point of forgiveness? And look, Janet was a monster in a lot of regards. okay, and I get that. I'm curious, though, like Lala, what was done that is irreversible

because I don't think you can really point to anything that we haven't seen on reality TV before where it's like, hey, we're able to move on eventually, but it's such a stick in the mud where we will not move, we're not getting over anything, and because we have an inability to have any resolution, even if it's fake for the cameras,

that's why we're talking about this every episode. That's why you guys are commenting. If you guys hate the show so much, don't watch it. Well, you guys listen to it, so we have to watch it and talk about it. We don't want to repeat the same things every week. That's not fun for us. It's not fun for you. So, like, it's not a win-win.

It's a lose-lose. But just from an objective standpoint of the show and how shows function, if you cannot move on from something, you get 15 episodes in a row talking about the same thing. Yeah, I don't know. It just seems like every week it's inevitable. We have to have like the outlook of the show. There is no good outlook on this show.

It really isn't. Every time that we come up with some sort of hypothesis about how they could fix things, you have to realize that these people aren't going to do it. They're just never going to do it. And if they end up doing it, it's because the producers are forcing them to do it, which is not organic and it doesn't really convey that well

the television. So they're lost. The whole show is, lost. The show's been lost. It's just not enjoyable anymore. Even this moment where you're talking to like Melissa and Jasmine about their wedding and everybody's really excited about it and Chris or Brittany rather gives a really nice speech. It's just like, okay, like some of you guys are friends, but you don't have fun together because there's a couple people in the group that won't let you have fun because they're boring and they're awful and they're assholes, whatever it might be.

Until we get rid of those people and cut the cancer out of the show, it's never going to be good. It's never going to be successful. I agree. And I think that you can point to people quite clearly like just get them off and see what you have plug somebody else in like i don't care just take them off and leave who you currently have and see if it's a little bit better of a show because i don't want to go back to jesse talking to lacy and bringing up this vulnerable moment that he have with janet and now we have to sit there and watch them question the timing of it like that's where we've gotten to that's sad like i don't i don't want to watch that like do you guys like again if enjoying the show no bullshit tell us why and i we're not going to shit on you or anything i'm just so

genuinely curious like what is the pull of the valley because to me it's just like a really sad dark show with zero movement forward we watch the same thing week in and week out and it has not been fun no no hasn't been fun janet asking to double date was funny janet asking the double date was funny. I don't know. Lacey's fine, I guess. Yeah, I like Lacey. It's just, it's so tough to like this late in the season after going through now our 15th episode. It is so difficult to just, what is this, the 14th episode? I don't even know. It's just so difficult to find the, the nice times where it's like, all right, yeah, that was a good time. Like, yeah, it doesn't matter.

Yeah. Let's see what people have to say. I'll leave it with this one. I like that. T-Gal nail. Danny's insufferable. That's it. Agreed. Agreed. From Von Nez, the biggest flippant ick equals Danny's vasectomy scene.

Danny's all walking ick. That's a good way to put it. If any dude ever reminds you of Danny, just run the other way. Run. Sprint. Kendra Lamar. Thoughts on the group of men deciding the validity of Janet's essay story. Pretty fucking gross. ridiculous

not okay just guy is really really gross bad move yeah lash 16 Danny is just annoying annoying drunk annoying sober annoying on nitrous yes yep

this is funny from Jacqueline Michelle Crest why are we acting like getting a vasectomy is a horrific procedure he's such a puss agreed as we were saying from Shoshi Davis how are we not in the finale yet And who the heck asked for Cabr's backup?

Not us. The producers did. The producer. Somebody said that. It's Holly Hala. Unfollowing, following things, a storyline like next gen,

that would be okay. But y'all are in your late 30s and 40s. No one cares. Yeah, agreed. Exactly what I said. Yeah. Wait,

what the fuck? Hold on. Oh, God, go ahead. Jay Betta Hut 713. Are they seriously going to do 20 episodes? Wait.

No. No. No. Don't. no I wonder if j bays the one of that uh that sent us that DM that said check wiki because that's where they put all the episodes i i need i need to figure this out this is going to really throw a wrench into my evening valley season had a tough week too i don't know i don't i don't think of handle this oh god it cut off right at the number of episodes Jesus christ uh season

three episodes fucking hell is it 20 episodes or 20 with reunions it's probably 20 it's 21 but it's probably with reunions I would imagine so 18

18 regular season 3 3 part reunion uh we have two episodes left and actually that kind of makes sense but a three part reunion to talk about what we're going to go mid August with this shit

that's a bummer And Wikipedia, no, I will not donate $2.75. You just ruin my day. I'm taking my money back from Wikipedia. Yeah, actually. God. All right, whatever. I'm moving on in my life.

I had one in here. Madwap. Did you think that Jesse slash Schwartz would be vocal advocates for women because I sure as fuck didn't? Jesse was and Jesse's not as much anymore. But Schwartz, yeah, very confusing situation. very confusing times for all of us. Yeah, which is a great one to lead in to Sarah Olivia.

I never thought I'd say Lala's the MVP of this show. But here we are. Yes, yeah. Fascinating, isn't it? Yeah, I just, yeah, I have no fucking clue. Hyde Lee, I am not reading that question. I didn't see it. I didn't see it out of it.

It's down towards the bottom. okay it's pretty funny uh god uh from j krill meretti why are the men on this show such misogynistic assholes

um I don't know all right nature versus nurture yeah we can't read that but that is funny yeah but it's really funny

just know we both laughed uh from it's sin did you hear Danny's porn confession on the after show god no thank God God it didn't if we don't watch the after show,

we do not want any more Valley coverage. I'm sorry if we're missing something that's important, you guys will let us know. I will never, ever watch the after show for this show. I will not let it start. As soon as the episode's over, if that pops up,

I click out and I go watch something else to try to like rinse. Oh, God. I don't know. Let's see if we have a good one. Lily Clay, do you think Kristen's going to have a rough reunion, R.E. Danny backing. or will she double down?

She'll double down. She doesn't deflect that well, but she'll double down. She'll just do it. It'll be similar to the conversation with Lala. She'll say, look, I had a lot going on. I just wasn't really paying attention to any of that. But this kind of goes into the next question from Health Godder. Do we think that Kristen will watch the season back and regret the way she backed in Danny?

Probably not. I don't know. No, I think because she's commenting on shit still. Yeah, it's not great. Angie Banji, do the brav-brose know how long of a second-deme recovery is? I believe it's like a week.

And like only a few days are rough. I think like the first two or three days, like you're really sore. And then I think a week after you're like, fine. So again, like, what are we doing here?

I dropped a fucking, I was rearranging back here and dropped a mic stand on my fucking toe. And I broke my toe. That I exuded less pain or any, anything than Danny has for a heart of the neck to me. Huh?

When? No, it was last week, dude, it sucked. So you know those heavy ass big stands? Yeah, you know the heavy mic stands that we had? Yeah. So I picked that up. The bottom wasn't screwed in. I picked it up like a good four feet because I was holding it up high. And it just went and the pointy part on the bottom

went right into my, I guess, your pointer toe, the one next to the big toe. Yeah. Dude. Like, I was, seeing white for like five seconds. I was like in shock and I could barely walk for multiple days. I complained less than Danny. Even though that's how I talked about.

Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So sack up, you pussy. Like it's unbelievable to watch. Yeah. I don't have,

I don't have the heart for any more questions. It's all. I got one more. One more to finish us off here. From Jay Krill Moretti. Why are the men on this show? such misogynistic assholes. I read that one.

No. Did you double down on that one because Jesus. It sucks. Like, we'll end it with this one then to build on that NBA Casey. This is why women don't speak up. Shame on those men. Yeah,

there you go. Fucking, yes. Like, you don't, you, it is not your place. Even remotely to comment on what Janet's sharing and when.

Just shut the fuck up and learn something and support maybe. Like, give that a shot. Because clearly, you guys acting on your own volition and saying what you want to say is not working because everyone fucking hates you read the room and shut the fuck up yeah that'd be nice anyway uh don't worry we got fucking six more of these so fucking hell uh well that's all i got you got anything else boo well well said rob bros are out of here

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