Bros & Shows - Nvm... RHOBH Still Sucks (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

What's up Bros? We tried to give it a fair shake but this show is boring as hell. Sutton is changing her name, Erika is dating, Dorit opens up about PK and asks Kyle and Mo for help, all of these things we want to work out for the laides. But none if it is all that captivating. Amanda opens up about her "business model" and it leaves both us and the ladies with more questions than we have answers. We have to stick to our guns here and... blame Alex Baskin. And we will continue to until he stops ruining our shows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, we tried. Okay. We tried. We were positive Peters. We were trying not to be negative nancy's. We gave it our best shot. But this show sucks. I don't care anymore.

This is a terrible show. And it is showing exactly why it's bad in this most recent episode. I actually feel bad for Beverly Hills right now because it has to come the day after the Eagles get eliminated from the playoffs. So there's nothing to inhibit us right now. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight.

I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brov Bros. Your favorite show from the Bros. For everybody, for whoever wants to listen.

I am your co-host, St.O. Russell, joined as always by the one and only Shooter McGregor. I don't have witty nicknames in me today. What's up, dude? So I actually do think that you're going to be on the side of scorched earth for this show, whereas I know what the problem is, and it's kind of interesting. I figured it out towards the end of this episode. I think if you go from person to person, they're all like fine. I mean, Amanda's in her own world, but everyone else, the main cast members of this show are fine.

but and maybe borderline likable, but there's nothing going on. There's just simply nothing going on to talk about in the show. It's simply just people who are kind of friends, kind of not friends, going on trips together, having lunch together and talking about nothing. There's just nothing here.

It's like face value conversations. Everything's a face value conversation. Everything is what I would ask these ladies if I were to meet them in person. None of it has any substance. Are they likable? guess, like I guess, but that's because nothing's happened to make me not like them, except Amanda.

She is one of the worst hires in the history of Bravo. And I'll get into that as we get into this episode. Holy shit, she is worse than Anne-Marie. And that's hard to do. But there's just nothing. And I, I, yeah. Hold on, hold on. She's not worse than Anne-Marie.

I think you might, you might forget how bad she was. Amory, that's a thing. Tried hard. And she was awful. I think Amanda. we thought that maybe she was a means to an end. Maybe it's somebody to throw in there and just create chaos. But the problem is, and again, it's a glaring issue.

The main cast won't do anything. They just don't show up for work. They don't do anything. This is a softball. They should all be going after Amanda to take her down and show her up for being a fraud. And they just don't care. And that's the problem. But I don't think that's a cast problem as far as them not showing up to work.

I think that that is an Amanda problem of, you're not worth our time. This is what you're bringing to the table. Why am I going to waste my time going in on you or questioning these things? When you simply stating what you do, what your life is like, talking about your finances, you do the job for yourself because anyone listening to you is rolling their eyes. I'm rolling my eyes at home. You're watching the ladies on camera roll their eyes.

I agree with you. Like this is not me defending the Beverly Hills cast because they haven't showed up work in years. But they're not going to show up for that. You don't have to. All you have to do is let her talk and she can bury herself. I think she's just, and like, you know, it's obviously subjective of if she's worse or not than Anne-Marie.

But at the same time, like, how on one show do you consistently miss the mark with new hires? It's Beverly fucking Hills. Go get somebody really famous and pay them. pay them the money it would take go get Jennifer Coolidge and pay her and see what that looks like instead of doing that you go for the quote unquote money queen if you have to hire somebody that is a self-proclaimed money queen via online courses this is beverly hills this isn't reno we're not in nevada we're not like what the fuck is going on you're talking about the premier city in the

United States for rich people. And we can't find somebody better than an online grifter that spends $10,000 on crystals at a table. Dude, we're sitting at a table. I'm jumping the gun, but there's nothing to talk about this episode anyway. Yeah,

nothing happens. You're sitting with Kathy fucking Hilton, Kyle Richards, Bozema St. John, all of these incredible women who have incredible resumes, lots of fucking money. And at that table,

you're going to state that you spend $10,000 on crystals. Kathy Hilton could buy $10 million in crystals. Nobody cares. You're talking like, that's my point. It's tacky. It's, it's just a bad look. And I'm not here for it. I think it's so brutal.

And it is just the embodiment of where this show has fallen. Let me ask you this question. When producers hired Amanda, do you think they hired her? Like, were they also grifted? And they're like, wow, she lives a luxurious life. She bought Kyle's house. We did one of her online courses.

Like she's got it going on. And that's how stupid the producers are for this show. Or do you think that they hired her because they thought that they would expose her on this show and the women would really show up to bring her down? I don't know what the answer is there. I think it's very funny. If it's the former, I think that's the funniest possibility there. And it just shows you where the producers are for the show. Or, and this is, I think, more in line with what actually happens.

I think they know. I think anybody with eyes can tell like, oh, fuck, let's throw out of the wolves and see what happens. But I think they completely underestimated the lack of awareness, attention, give a shit from anybody on this show. They just simply don't care. And the people that you might expect to show up are just living in their own little world. Doreat's got her own shit going on. Kyle's got her own shit going on. Kathy, admittedly, does not care and tunes out people that she just doesn't care about.

And then Sutton is going through a name change and that's her storyline. Bowe's is trying to get pregnant. That's her storyline. Like there's just nothing going on, but they're all in their own little world, that they're just letting Amanda talk and just not giving a fuck. And they're like, yeah, I clocked her. I know what she does.

She tries to one-up people. She tries to match people. It just doesn't matter. And it's like, no, because they don't care. It's not like what we're doing and that's supposed to make good TV. I don't know.

And like, I think Rachel is a good hire. I think she knows what she's doing. I really like Rachel. I agree. And that's, Rachel is where I started my theory. of they're all pretty likable like again i know what sutton's doing sutton's just trying to get

friends because she lost a friend in uh garcel but that's not good tv i don't really care about that individually they're fine and jennifer tilly's a pleasure rachel is really good i've got the two of them at the top everyone else just kind of falls in line and they don't do anything yeah totally agree i think to answer the original question i think one of the producers took her course i was like this woman is a genius. I feel myself attracting so much more money. Actually, no, they probably had a one-on-one session. I bet if you buy the VIP gold package on scimanda.com. Also, somebody in the reviews on Apple's like, really, Scamanda's the best you could come up with? I didn't come up with that. They're like, that's been used. No shit. People have used that for all sorts of amanda's.

No, I didn't come up with that. Nor did I say I did. Anyway, no, if we came up with it, I probably would have called her the money quiff or something. Yeah. Yeah. Come on now. But I think if you buy the VIP gold package on scimanda.com, you get a free one-on-one 10-minute session with Amanda herself. And I think that that person was like, wait, I know how to attract my money.

I bring the money queen to my show. It's perfect. And other people will see how amazing she is at her job. That was Alex Baskin, by the way. That was a thousand percent, Alex Baskin. That was Alex Baskin 100%. He's actually working. Was it, I don't know.

I watched a lot of Bravo today. Was this, was this the episode where Hot Mike gets an appearance? Bravo Hot Mike, because that's his show. Yes. Yeah, Bravo Hot Mike gets a shout out. I wonder if in today's world,

Alex is actually making hires on Beverly Hills so that he can get people to listen to his podcast. I would not be surprised at all. Yeah, because nobody I know listens to Bravo Hot Mike. I've never heard anyone fan. fairing for bravo hot mic and i will take all the shots to alex basket because fuck you dude there's only there's only ever two podcasts that you hear about the bravo world that they'll actually

like put clips of it on it'll be nick vial and it'll be alex basket and it's that just shows you where we are the worst podcasts that you could possibly listen to great yeah what the fuck are we doing anymore like it's upsetting especially when you look across the slate right we've had a lot of good shows We've had a lot of good shows. We have a lot of good shows right now. Salt Lake just ended, Potomac, very enjoyable. I'm really looking forward to Shaws. What, what?

You know, like Potomac? The newest episode really turned me off. Oh, I thought it was great. Well, I maybe, this could be a mindset thing. You watched it today, and I could see if I was really irritated. Today's episode would have bothered me. But I think it's good. I sat in line by sat, I mean, I stood in line for the subway after that terrible Eagles game.

for 45 minutes in the cold. Yeah, so this is a different problem. This is not a Potomac problem. This is a last night problem. No, no, no, I really think that given your head space after waiting for the subway for 45 minutes, then watching it today, feeling like shit. Because I really enjoyed it. But that's neither here nor there. We'll talk about that.

We'll get to Potomac episode. But back to Beverly Hills. Let's just jump in because it won't take very long to get through all of this. And you have Tilly and Sutton. And I was actually happy to hear that Sutton's drinking has slowed down. You know, she's changing her lifestyle. She looks better. She does look better.

Like it's noticeable, which unfortunately gives some credence to what Doreet was saying last year. Like maybe she was drinking too much. But whatever. I'm not living in the past. I'm living in the present. And she looks great right now. So I'm happy for her. I agree.

That's the first thing I noticed, honestly. I was like, oh, wow, she looks great. And then she said that. I was like, ah, that tracks. There we go. And Tilly, you know, makes a funny one-liner. She's like, I lost my drinking buddy. But, you know, this is a positive thing.

So it's all good. But Sutton's planning a trip to Sedona. This is the most underwhelming lead-in to a trip we've ever had. Because I said she was doing like a trip for herself. And I'm like, oh, okay, that's cool. And she's like, yeah, I'm inviting all the ladies. Like, what? That was a weird introduction.

From the intro to the departure, like, think about Potomac, for example. right since we're watching that currently and they just went on a trip think about the lead up to the trip the actual departure the arrival like they were all big moments they usually tend to be look at salt lake going to uh to grease right this was so like boop poop poop they're gone there i was like whoa whoa whoa we're in sidenna already okay cool but anyway she wants this whole thing and we've heard this from sutton in the past but maybe the absence of drinking will make it a little more achievable but her whole goal is exactly what you said. She frames it as, look,

I'm in a new place, new name, this is Sutton Brown, I want to get my friends, I want to do this, I want to do that. This is because you lost Garcel. And you realize that you're on an island with the group. It could be for self-improvement as well, i.e. that not drinking. But the root of this one is I am an outcast on my own show. I need to buddy up to the rest of the cast,

at least a few of them so that I have anybody to talk to. That's what I got at least. Yeah, that's pretty much what her goal has been. And I do think that her drinking less, and again, not calling her an alcoholic or saying she's a problem or anything, but I do think that she was very rattled very quickly in the last couple of years. And I'm not saying that it's because of the drinking, but it puts her in a better position. Drinking, what is it? It's almost like her backs against the wall and she's starting to make good decisions. That's kind of what I'm getting.

Like she lost Garcel. We thought that she was just going to have to fend for herself. and it was going to be very, very gross to watch all year. And it was going to be not a ton of fun, honestly, to watch it. Because what we see is usually she's that, that meme of the possum in the corner lashing out. And that's what she does. But she doesn't lash out to the people who are actually going after her. She lashes out to the other people, which never makes any sense.

So she's making good decisions. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So now she's back against the wall. She has no friends. She realizes she has to make friends. But she seems a little bit more tame. And she's more willing to let them come to her. And we kind of see that come together in a moment towards the end when she's at the dinner table.

But I like that she's doing this. It's a much different look for her. Again, not very compelling, not very entertaining. But for Sutton, I guess it's a good move. It's the correct move. She's making the right move. I did think Tilly's breakdown of who Sutton is was the most on par that we've heard, where I think when she gets in a tizzy or whatever,

she lashes out at whoever's near her. She's like a firework, anybody can catch a spark. I agree. I don't think that anything she does is with malicious intent. We've talked about that frequently. I don't think she's trying to do these things. I think she gets caught up, starts lashing out, and whoever's near is going to catch a strike,

which we've seen pretty much. Yeah. So if she is able to reel that in, then I do think it's going to lead to some more friendships. Now, as you said, not super captivating. It's like, okay, cool. There's your game plan for the season. I guess that sounds like a good backup storyline to something else going on where we check in here and there, but not going to move the needle all that much. But anyway, we move on to Doreet and Kyle and Kyle heads over to Doreet's house and the kids are in Florida. This whole thing is kind of a P.K. Mo update. And we find out P.K. When we heard this last week, I think, P.K. did not end up going to Florida, which is good. And her. whole thing is that P.K's out of control. He's losing his fucking mind. He doesn't want to see the kids until he does. And then it's like the last minute drop by. Kyle's been hearing a totally different story. Obviously, either Mo or P.K. is telling her. I believe both. I do believe she's still in contact with P.K. It would make no sense that she suddenly cut it off now. Doesn't make any sense to me. So she's hearing that Doret's the problem. She's not, she's not letting me see the kids, this, that, the other. Dorete's defense, I believe. 100% The dude pops up after a month of being MIA.

He's like, let me see the kids. It's like, no, because they have a schedule. They can't just have you reentering their lives on a whim because you're coming through L.A. on your way to Bangkok. Like, that's not how this is going to go. No. So I respect her for that. And I do, at the end of the day, always fall back on.

PK's a giant piece of shit. That is a bad dad. So, of course, I believe to read. Is she amplifying it a little bit, exaggerating? Probably ever so slightly. but do I believe all these things? 100% absolutely. Yeah, I don't think that she's even really exaggerating that much.

And again, we've only seen a little bit of PK from what we've seen on TV. And what we've seen on TV is a terrible person. He's much worse off camera. We've even pointed out over the last couple of seasons, the scenes that we get of him on camera talking to Doreet, he probably tones it down. And you can tell in those scenes that he's actively trying to portray himself as a different person. And we can see right through it.

So no, I'm fully on Doreet's side. I do not understand why Kyle continues to do this. She gets herself in hot water all the fucking time. Like, do you want to be Doreet's friend? We asked this question a couple times last year and the year before. Do you really want to be Doreet's friend? It doesn't look like you do. It looks like you'd rather be P.K.'s friends.

And I don't know if it's some weird little, like, I've got a motive here because if I'm closer to PK and I try to help him out, maybe Mo will see that. And then Mo will like me. And then it's caught up in her. trying to get her marriage back together and she's doing things that are trying to build towards that maybe. I mean, again, we really only have ourselves to just sit here and guess about these things because Kyle doesn't fucking tell us and Kyle will never tell us. So that is where we find ourselves year in, year out with her and Derreet. Every time DeRite starts talking about PK, she should

just be on Derreet's side. And instead, she's trying to stand up for PK. It doesn't make any sense. And then she's surprised when Deerite lashes out at her. It just doesn't make any sense. And it's a that I'd rather not be on. It's a merry-go rounds that I want to get off of. And yet, here we are again. Year in and year-out. We get back to the same place. And year-in and year-out, as you said,

Kyle acts surprised. Well, I'm sorry, I didn't react the way you wanted me to. What do you mean? Of course you didn't. Like, she's talking about her asshole of an ex-husband, and you're like, well, we don't have both sides. Just take her side. Right.

Just say, even if you don't agree. Okay, Doree, I got your back. That's all she needs to hear in that moment. moment. And then she tells us, you know, mediation keeps getting pushed by PK. Of course it does. All of it lines up. So I don't know. I think that you're actually on to something with the Moe part of it. Maybe that is like ever so slightly at least in her subconscious part of it. Like if I fully go it on, hey, Mo's going to get upset. Yeah. And I could see Mo even reaching out to Kyle like, hey, have you talked to Doree today? PK's in a really bad spot. Could you do something? Could you talk to Doree and see what's going on? And Kyle does it in a way that only Kyle can do, which again gets her. in hot water, but it's almost like she's doing these favors for PK, but mostly for Mo. At least that's what I'm getting.

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and hit follow unless you want the show to follow you. I don't know. Anyway, we get to Rachel Zoh, who is the only bright spot in this season. She really is great. Even in this scene where it's not really much going on, she's picking up Kaya's from summer camp and head of back home, giving us a little rundown of her life.

That's all it is. But this scene is the best scene in the episode because she's authentic. Like she just seems to be herself. We don't ask for a lot. But she has a good rapport with their kids, which we always appreciate. She's talking about the business life balance, that kind of thing, which we have confirmation from Kathy Hilton, from plenty of commenters and things like that. Like she's a big deal in Hollywood.

She is one of the top stylists out there. So interesting, right? Like it's an interesting life. It's interesting to hear about your kids. It's interesting to see how you move and what you do. And all you're doing is telling us about yourself authentically, or at least somewhat authentically. It's almost like you made one hire last year. Like, yeah, you have Jennifer Tilly who's been on for a couple years as a friend of, but she's getting a bigger role.

Why didn't you just make one hire this year? Why don't you just bring in Rachel and just see what you have? Why do you have to bring it to Amanda to? It's almost like they have to balance it out with one really great. hire that's a no-brainer with a very questionable hire that makes no sense. I don't know what they're doing, but I do like watching her. And again, we usually do give kudos to good moms, people who have good reports with their families, which shouldn't be a whole lot to ask for.

And again, I agree. I do think that her scenes with her family are interesting, mostly because she's a great rapport with her kids and her kids are fun. And that's really how you want. Yep. I totally agree. Moving right along, we get to Kathy's. and she's setting up a little luncheon for her, Tilly, Sutton, and Amanda's coming over.

So, and I had this question as well when Amanda got there because this is Kathy fucking Hilton. Like you're walking into a Hilton's house. That's a big deal even if you're in the circles in L.A. Like this is, she's kind of up there. So I even thought like, oh, this must be like a holy shit moment for her. Like she bought Kyle Richards house. Now she's actually going to Kathy Hilton's house. Like big step.

How do you feel about that, Amanda? I belong in any room I think I belong in. I don't believe you. I don't buy it. I'm not picking up what you're putting down. She's got that false bravado that you can only get from an online course that convinces you that you are very confident. You're a strong and confident woman. You don't bow down to anybody.

You belong in every room that you walk into. That's all we get. And it's very funny. At the very least, no, I don't think I can do this actually. I really wanted to. I was going to say at the very least she's authentically herself. Like that she deserves some kudos for that. No, because it's all a scam and it's all very funny.

But you can tell that she's been doing this for a long time and she's now drunk the Kool-Aid, drank the Kool-Aid of her own making. And now she's at the point where she's got that false confidence and she's not going to bow down to anybody, even Kathy Hilton. I don't need you to bow down. I just need you to understand the situation. Have some self-awareness. Have some composure in the moment. Don't walk into Kathy Hilton's house who could buy the world.

Like she's a Hilton. She's married to the Hilton. Hilton, one of many Hilton's. And we even found out that the Hilton hotel thing didn't even like start necessarily because, or sorry, that their wealth didn't come from the hotels. The hotels were after the wealth. And when we did that, that dig into the Hilton family, it's insane. Like I didn't realize how much fucking money they have. It's a lot of money. So you can, even if you have the false confidence, like fake it for a sec. Like act like you're happy and excited to be included in something so prestigious because that's what we all want.

We want some relatability. You're not giving anybody sitting there. And one, this starts the one upper conversation. You're sitting at a table with Kyle's sister, who is a billionaire. You're going to talk about Kyle's house, obviously, because you just moved into it. Don't shit on it. You know, when we moved in, it's that we made some really beautiful decisions. We were going to sell it.

she's giving the implication that it was just a shithole when we moved in. We've all not only seen Kyle's house for years, most of us have coveted Kyle's house because it's really nice. They made a lot of great decisions. That tile floor that you ripped up was gorgeous. So to act like you have improved it so much that you have convinced yourself to stay there instead of selling it is a weird move, but not as weird as Kathy Hilton. I can't believe I'm saying this.

Kathy fucking Hilton's assistant comes out. This is like an assistant of assistants. That's my right hand man. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I got one of those. What? I got one of those. Just the case,

just the case you guys thought that I wasn't real. You know, I got one of this. I got whatever you have. I got two of actually. Man, I love eating outside. Yeah, I eat outside every meal at both of my houses. It's unbelievable. Like the fact that Sutton clocked you of all people,

is very funny. Like she usually doesn't notice what's going on around her. She's as close to just completely aloof as Kathy Hilton is. When again, we do agree that she's not actually aloof. I genuinely just don't think she gives a shit. She tried to just get a little idea of who Amanda was, size her up.

She did that within 30 seconds and immediately tuned out. That's what happened to this scene. Because Amanda's just going off about all the things she did with Kyle's. She's got the tennis court. Wow, it's really lovely. maybe if she ended it with like you guys should come over sometime like i can show you all the things that i did then at least there would be a point to that whole conversation but no it's exactly what something was saying you're just trying to prove to us that you're one of us that you're just you've

just got everything in the palm of your hands and you've done all this through the online courses that's what you got to do and it just makes no sense and again it's so goddamn boring the whole conversation is so boring there's just no drama there there's just nothing to do and to take it a step further and then start talking about Erica, which we did agree last week that when she made the comment about you getting a mock tail, yeah, it was a little out of line. But you don't talk about it again later. And this is Sutton, again, just being friends.

And I do like, again, she's making good decisions. Who the fuck is Amanda? If Amanda's going to try to talk shit on Erica, have Erica's back. That was a good move by Sutton. It was a little abrasive, but, you know, that's how Sutton is. But again, it's still the better move. You're not trying to cozy up to this Amanda person who you just clock. you're going to try to cozy up to the people that have shut you out most of your life while you've been on this show.

Go towards Erica. Go towards Kyle. That's what you really want to do. So I at least like that she made that decision. But again, now Amanda's taking offense to that. She's like, whoa, how dare she say that to me? Like, no, I was in the right. You were in the right, but then you started talking again.

That's when you're in the wrong. And she doesn't realize that. Well, and you're so confidently saying, yeah, I think I got her. As Tilly says, as Sutton says, Sutton says, if you think you got her, you didn't. You're not even close. So reel it in. I really like that move.

I don't care that she was a bit abrasive. Somebody needs to clock this woman. Tilly in the confessionals, like, uh, if she thinks that was personal, she's in for a rude awakening. Like,

that's nothing. Have you watched the show? Erica Jane is ruthless. That's one of the reasons we like Erica Jane so much because she doesn't pull punches. With you, she pulled punches. She was being gentle.

She was honestly not even being mean. She was just talking and you took offense to it. So if you take, offense to her just saying things because that was a normal Erica Jane conversation. You're so screwed when shit hits the fan. You're not going to know which way is up, but I know what she's going to do because she's already shown what she does in any moment that she feels uncomfortable. She just acts better than who is there and better than the situation. At the end of this whole thing, Kathy Hilton, we all know. She always gives out presies.

No matter what event you're at, you could go over for a cup of coffee. You're going to leave with a bag of shit. So she hands out the presents. Sutton gets 350K a month in alimony. Okay? Kathy Hilton, obviously. You don't have to act like this is just a, oh, whatever. You should sit there and just be like, thank you.

Thank you for the presence. Instead, you make a thing out of it. You pull that, I look great in a baseball. I really do. Guys, I really do. look at me look look look look look no one else at that table's making a big deal out of this and they all have way more money than you shut up just stop please for the love of god settle down it's not landing it's not working this false bravado you're carrying about with you because of your online

courses is really really shooting you in both feet you can't even stand up anymore it is still early in the season so i am hoping and i i i shouldn't really have hope for this but i am hoping that what they're doing is just building her up to look like such a clown so that production is not doing any favors no and nor should they so at least again that's that's what gives my original theory some sort of hope that they hired her just to be the punching bag because if that's what they're doing and they're building her up so that the audience knows that she's a clown everybody slowly starts to realize that she's a clown we're worried that they're just going to ignore her and not do anything but i'm hoping she's going to ruffle too many feathers and just get absolutely clocked at

another trip when they're you know wherever they go i don't remember where they go spain or something something maybe. But wherever the hell they go towards the end of the season, I feel like it will build towards that. And she'll be so iced out. She'll try to work her way back in in a way that we're already assuming what she's going to do. And she's going to try to go after Erica, try to go after Kyle or something and just get absolutely smacked back down to earth. That would be very enjoyable to watch. But I'm worried that it's going to be such a slow burn because these women just don't give a fuck about her. They don't care. And that's the, that's the risk you run hiring somebody like that.

Because I get the move. Higher a punching bag. Hire somebody. It's easy to go after. Sure. But that person has to perform before we do that. We have to have reasons to go out. They're simply saying, without saying anything, that this woman's not worth our time.

And by her speaking, you get why. Because the jokes write themselves. Like, oh, my God, did you really just say that? you spent 10 grand on Crystal sitting at this table. Like, what are you doing? Shush. That's what I get from it. It's just so beneath them that they're like, I don't have time for this.

Like, what? What are we doing? Shut up, Amanda. They're telling her to shut up without saying anything. That's what I'm getting. Pretty much. Pretty much. That's the happening.

And to my point earlier about the trips. Do you remember the trailer for this? All we did was highlight the trips. That was the big selling point. I remember the big, big letter. or it said Sedona. This was not like a big deal. We just had a quick seat on an airplane.

Like what the fuck? We're on the private jet to Sedona. I love Rachel commenting on fits. We need that for every event that we have. That was fantastic. She does it so tongue in cheek too because she talked about everybody's fit, talked about everybody's fit, didn't really throw any shade.

And then when we get to Amanda walking in with her Louis Vuitton, whatever the fuck that was with the hat and the ribbon tied around it and everything, you can tell how much she hates that. But she doesn't actually say the words. And that's what makes a good housewife too, is being able to talk about something very plain and very matter of fact, but

we can tell you're seething inside. Like I fucking despise what she's wearing or ending it with that was a choice. That's all you really have to do. And that's what she's good at. And again, that's a very good hire. But we're not getting anything out of anybody else to the point of this is a plane scene. This is

a private jet plane scene. We always get something from this on every show, top to bottom, good or bad. Nothing happens. Like, we didn't spend any time doing anything. We just announced what the plan is for the trip. Everybody cheers and then we're there. What? Nothing.

We have nothing to talk about. Nope. No, but that they really don't, though. That's the thing. It's not like we foregone or forewent any conversations. Like, there's nothing to discuss yet. We're on episode seven, maybe. I don't know.

They do the fucking watch what happens live thing. I think it's six or five. I have no idea, though. It's between four and six, and this is why we made the real that we did about the watch what happens live being inserted in there. But yeah, like, what are you supposed to talk about in that plane? Because we've had no interactions really between the last. And I knew immediately when she was showing up late.

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you get podcasts. Anyway, we get to Sedona, we're staying at the Little Daisy. It's a former minor hotel. Kathy does the fake Kathy aloof thing again. Oh, it had 160 minors. Where are they now? You know damn well that they died. You know,

damn well, this was a long time ago. I'm not falling for this shit anymore. I will not buy into the Kathy Hilton. Like, who's going on, shush. I know,

I know you know what's going on. No one's buying it. I was hoping somebody was going to make like an Epstein Island joke or something, but no, we get nothing. We just get nothing from these people. Miners,

minors, you know what I'm talking about. Oh, I didn't. Oh, Oh, wow. Yeah. Again, just nothing. Literally nothing.

Nobody's even disputing the accommodations that they get. They said the man upstairs. Yeah, everybody's just completely fine with the rooms. Like, wow, wow, this is cool. We've got our own little chateau. We've got our own cottage. Fantastic. Okay.

Kathy's putting out her pillows because she brought her own pillows. Great. What are we doing? Oh, we're getting dressed. Great. Cool. Wow, you brought all these bags for different outfits. That's fun.

What is going on? Like, this is, again, it's like plucking people, rich people from different friend groups and throwing them on a trip together. And it's like, okay, what do you do for work? How did you get your money? Oh, you're married? That's cool. Like, there's nothing here to talk about.

It's wild. We spent 10 minutes on Bose injecting because she's going through trying to get pregnant. And she was just talking about like how it made her feel. And it's like, okay, that's important. But again, in a good show, yeah, that's a little reprieve. Like, all right, let's get a little update on Bose and see what's going on here. Nothing really? Okay.

she's still going through it. That's how it makes her feel. She feels bloated. I'm sorry that's going on. I think she's pregnant. Is she pregnant? I know her. Did she get pregnant?

I don't know. I hope so. I thought I saw something about that. I do hope so too. Yeah. Don't be remiss. Like we're rooting for Bose and for Keeley to get pregnant. That's my whole point.

I'm rooting for pretty much everybody on the show to find their way and figure their shit out. But there's nothing here. Like I don't know how you make a show about this. Like imagine sitting in the editing room like, all right, episode one, this is what going to do episode two okay and then you're going through the footage you're like the fuck do we use what are we supposed to do here like oh this was an interesting conversation no it wasn't there was nothing here it's crazy it's it's actually wild to watch and in that scene with the bags right because here's a man to being Amanda again i brought a bag for every outfit most of these women do

okay that's pretty standard but okay now rachel and this is this is what we have to resort to Rachel FedExing overnighting her bags. Funny. Why? Rich people do that all the time. Because you get there and your bags are waiting. Well, the bags are waiting for you when you get there. Now, that's like a pretty common rich people move.

I guess. But like my brain immediately goes to if you flew privately, there's a whole team that's going to take your bags from the plane to wherever you're staying. Isn't that the exact same thing? Well, she claims that she has a bag. Like an actual, whereas. I can't remember her name. She's so boring.

Amanda brought a different handbag for every outfit. Rachel brought a different bag for every outfit. So again, I'm with you. I'm the carry-on guy. I'm not checking shit because I don't trust you. You're going to lose my stuff. But I think that's all it was. But it gives us a moment, like, I guess, like, oh, ha, ha.

She's really hot because it's 105 out. and she didn't bring any clothes. Woo. Fashionist with no office. Wow. No way. What are we going to do? She'll just go buy clothes.

Like, I don't know. They definitely have, like, all those fancy places have a store that you can buy fancy shit in. So she'll be fine. No,

not on Sedona, but like, it's Sedona. It's, you know, it looks in the United States. It's not that great. It's not like some luxurious trip

that we're going. I don't know. No, I want to see you in, like, Lord. I'm just fucking bored, man. Sure.

And like back to the Amanda bag scene. This is a great example because Kyle has nothing to say about it. And like you could feign, you know, make something up in your confessional like Jesus, dude. Now we're not even this. I don't know. But she's not. It's just more when we get reaction shots to Amanda, whether it being confessional or real time, it's more. like, okay.

Like, that's it. That's it. It's all summed up into, I roll, Gafah, don't have time for your bullshit. I'm moving on. And she's trying so damn hard to be relevant. And like, all it is is insecurity,

which I get being with this group of ladies, but like, that's all it's screaming is I'm insecure. I don't feel like I belong here. So I need to tell you about all my bags. Doreet had more purses stolen from her closet. then you brought on that trip. This isn't like what the,

I don't know, dude, I don't know. I'm, I am flummoxed that this is the product they put out there. And I'm leaning more and more into, this is all just Alex Baskin. That's why we get the Bravo Hot Mike. That's why he is actually trying to plug his own podcast because nobody's listening to it on this show.

That's the only thing of substance on this show was the cut to PK. And lo and behold, Shocker, Baskin giving a piece of shit dude a good edit by showing P.K. Like, oh, she doesn't understand. She just doesn't get sobri. Blah, blah, bleh, blah, ble. How the fuck do you shoehorn in a guy that's not on the show anymore to try to paint him in a good light on your piece of shit podcast, you loser?

How do you do this? How are you such a toxic person to the shows you produce that here we are again? We've bitched about two shows this year. Orange County and Beverly Hills. Who was involved? It's a fucking joke and we're doing it again because there's nothing else to talk about. You set yourself up for this because you don't give us any content and we go back to the problem. You go away, quit, get fired.

Fuck me. This is awful. Let's go to dinner. Yeah. The trickle down economics of these shows and then us having to talk about it. is so fucking brutal. I know. We have to.

As much as I would love to just be like, send you a text, hey, let's just skip this fucking episode. We can't. We just, there has to be continuity. We can't just skip an episode

and then not talk about it and then jump in next week when hopefully fucking something happens and we can actually talk about it and just ignore the fact that we skip this one. No, we still have integrity. Yeah,

we got, we're journalists. We got tagging. Right. God, I'd rather be like, I don't know where I was going with that. I'm not going to say it. I'd rather watch the Eagles lose again than what we're currently going to go through. No, I was going to say that I'd rather be like a journalist in like a weird war-torn Bravo world where we actually get thrown in jail. Like that would actually be more enjoyable, I think.

Sure. I'm in. Yeah. Fuck it. Yeah. It would be more fun than this. For talking poorly about a show. Alex Baskin tries to kidnap us so we stopped talking shit on him.

That's a there's a good show and we have to escape from Baskins. Baskins and Robbins. He holds us up. I was going to say that too. He locks us up in a Baskin Robbins and we have to get out of there. That's that's like one of those AI videos where it's like your month, your meal that you have to finish to get out of jail and it's just Baskin Robbins ice cream. I would be out of there so quick.

I know. If I had you on my team, we'd be great. I know you in ice cream. I've told you before. Yeah. Don't get brain freeze. Yeah. Thanks to colorblindness. It's the trade-off. It's, yeah, I wish I could be like a genius and colorblind was the trade-off. But no, it's just my ability to eat ice cream. No brain freezes. Everybody knows it. All right. Let's go to dinner. Uh, anyway, we sit down at this table. The no gag reflex of desserts. Yeah. Oh, God. This is what happens when we don't have shit to talk about it.

evolves in a hurry. So let's get to dinner before it gets worse. And there's crystals strewn about the table. I know I've talked about this a few times. I was just so irritated by this comment. Apparently, there's price tags on the bottom of them. You can purchase any crystal from this table that you like. And that's when we get the line of, I've spent $10,000 on crystals in one sitting. And you have comments from everybody in confessionals. Either an eye roll, you have Erica Jane making fun of her. Like, I've spent a million dollars on Christos. I would say normally do it at the table, but what would that do?

That's my whole point. Let's say we do bring that to her at the table. Okay. Make fun of her to her face. What happens then? Is it worth it? Clearly not to these ladies. Would it be worth it for us at home?

I don't think so. I mean, I don't think so, but I still want to see it. Like, I still need to know what it looks like to make fun of her to her face to watch her squirm or change her tune or tell a story about like how much money she has or whatever it might be. I still want to know what it looks like at least once. So I'm not telling them to pick and choose their battles, but just the clocker one time, just like smack her one time and just see what happens. Because we do have to watch how that works. Otherwise, what are we doing here and why is she at the table? I don't know.

I don't know. And I agree. Like, we need to see it at some point. But I, I do agree also, this wasn't the time. I don't think this is what you go after the first time.

I think you let her kind of build up more bullshit before you go in. But because nothing else is happening, now you're looking at it like, well, why did nobody jump into that one? Whatever. That's why I'm like, I'm so torn between it being an Amanda problem and a cast problem.

Because she is low hanging fruit and she's very easy to get after. But like, I always struggle with this too. within the real world, if somebody's talking like this and you know for sure it's not worth it to go after them, you just don't poke the bear. There's just no point. It's not worth the aggravation to deal with it, especially the first day of the trip. So like, I don't blame them for it. But again, you do have to do something.

You have to say something at these moments. And I don't think they're going to be few and far between. I do think, weirdly enough, she's going to get more power by people not clocking her this early. So maybe she's going to say something even more ludicrous down the line. I don't know, but we do have to see what it looks like. I think a good way to go about this one could have been like leader on, like just lean into it more like in a mocking way. Like, oh my God, that's so fascinating.

What crystals did you buy? Like that kind of vibe. Yeah, I don't know. Sure. But Sutton gives her speech about here to build relationships. And I do believe that there's a lot of insecurity. Yeah, where she's talking about, you know, not feeling pretty enough, not feeling cool. enough, all these other issues that she's had in the group. I don't think that's Garcel

centric. I do think that that's actually part of who she is and how she feels. Right. And I actually like the sentiment of, okay, I'm introducing you guys to Sutton Brown. Sutton Brown is a good friend and this, that. I like this. Like, this is kind of nice to set her tone for what this season is going to try to be for her. Is it more of the same that we've seen in the past? Yeah. We got this like almost same exact same. speech in the sisterhood bullshit last year. But she's in a different headspace. Gar cell's not there.

We may see it come about differently. I don't know. But I actually like this, like what she said to everybody. But to your point, like, fuck, this is all we got. Our big storyline is a name change. Okay. That's it. What else do we have?

Because I'm not going to use storylines of last year that are being brought into this one, right? I'm not going to use Mo. not going to use PK, not going to use any of that shit. The only thing that we really have to talk about this season is a name change. And we are at least four episodes in. Yeah.

And I don't even know, like, obviously where we go from here is talking about Erica's dating life, which we've been asking for for a while. And I don't really think that she was being secretive about her dating life. I just don't think that she was dating. I think she truly was figuring,

her shit out, trying to figure out who she was after Tom Durrardy. And that's very normal and it's very reasonable. And I think that she's handled it pretty well. But we've been asking for her dating life because we know there's got to be something there and there's clearly nothing on this show to talk about. That's why we've been clamoring for it. We do get it in this scene. And I think it's nice.

Again, this goes in theme with what I'm talking about. Like, I'm rooting for Erica. I want her to find her way. I want her to find love. I want her to start dating. I'd like to see some of that on the show. But it's just a nice moment. It's just, wow, all right, cool.

You're dating some guy because you saw him on a podcast, which I kind of did some digging, and it looks like it was the Joe Rogan podcast last year. I figured it was because he's an ex-Delta guy, so figured he would probably be pretty big on that podcast. I don't even care about that. It's just like, okay, good for you, Erica. That's awesome.

Tell us some more stories. Hopefully there's more things. Maybe we'll meet the guy at some point. But this isn't what we should be talking about in a show like this. It's a housewife show. This isn't just like a reunion show like 20 years later like see where they are now. Oh my God, Erica, this is so great that you're dating a guy. I'm rooting for you.

No, like we need drama. We need something in here. We want this like, yeah, tell us about this, but this with other things. Yes. I'm glad like I'm with you. I'm glad that we learned about Shrek. I'm glad that we learned that you're dating somebody. I want to know more.

I want to see how this relationship progresses because we've been wanting it for a long time and I'm I'm genuinely interested right but to be interested in everything happening I need to be interested in the show as a whole I am interested it yeah you you really did say it perfectly I'm interested in each of these persons individual shit going on except for a way to say it except Amanda but not in a show setting it's more like I want to see on instagram in a month or two like is Eric is still right in this guy I want to see in a mom updates yes they're Instagram updates. There are page six updates from not even an article.

It's just an update. Sutton changed your last name to Brown. Congratulations. I don't need to see that on this TV show. Nope. Nope. Unless it's with a lot of other shit and it's not. But the one thing I did want to know more about and we're questioning it,

but not really questioning it. We're just bringing it up and then bowing out is, Amanda, what about what's up with your job? I don't understand how it works. Well, it's online education and coaching business. You go to AmandaFrancys.com and sign up for whatever course you want. Many are financial empowerment, but there's also stuff about online selling and this.

And it sounded like an Instagram ad. It sounded like she was reading off her selling point to try to get more people to sign up. And that's honestly what I think she's doing. I think she's using this show as a platform to try to get more people to sign up. The craziest thing. And sorry if this is you or if you did. sign up for her class. Like, I'm not shitting on anyone trying to better themselves. And if you use that avenue, use that avenue, whatever. But don't try to convince me that this is a

stellar business model, that it works. And we had people in our comments on YouTube saying, well, I took her course and blah, blah, blah. I hope it worked for you. Honestly, truly, I do. But there's a vast majority of people out there that fall for these kinds of scams and shit online and end up with a subscription service they forget about and end up paying thousands of dollars to random people for something that's really not helping them out. I still don't understand what financial empowerment means. I don't understand what attracting money means. I wish I did. Maybe I'd have more of it. Maybe that's my problem. Maybe I need the course. I don't know. But none of this shit makes a lot of sense to me. And I like that the group questions it. But in this moment, given where we've been

this season so far, and that's nowhere, I need more effort, ladies. I don't need you checking out of this conversation on your phone. I need you to ask her what the, like, what does that course entail? What are you teaching them? This is a chance to dig in. I don't need you to comment on the crystal thing. I don't need you to comment on the one-uping until later in the season. Let that build up, sure. This called for questioning. And instead, we get everybody checking out and Kyle explaining to us that when Kathy says, oh, great, that's great. It doesn't mean shit. No shit. What? And that's it. That's the scene. We're done. yeah we are done i'm looking at her website right now

it's a fucking cluster fuck of no it's gonna take you forever to go through it let me just give you the breakdown this is the main model that she has the whole entire first page is just where she's been featured that tells you everything you need to know i've been in forbs i've been in this i've seen on glamour okay magazine i heart podcast network let me just break down let me just break down what it's worth. Yeah, right on me. The core system to heal your relationship with money, the value, I don't know who's

making these values, is $15,000. The one thing that I saw was, it was a $397 course. It was four hours of videos to just watch. The money mentality makeover courses modules value $2,000. It never tells you until you get to the final page how much you're actually going to be paying. Who decides to value? It's made up money.

That's, it's monopoly. Yeah, no shit. I'm aware. Just like what based on what? Yeah, the bundle is what I was looking at. They all seem the same. We've got aligned as fuck. We've got the money queens business basics.

That's the one that I saw. That was $3.97. Drop the motherfucking money struggle. These are all the same, by the way. I can't even read this one because I'm colorblind. but it looks like it says soul alive earn from your inner power the holiday bundle okay cool all right the wealthy woman and the energy and frequency of money these are all bundles and they all have different pricing for different things but you cannot convince me that they're not all the same thing

and she just changes some words here and there god it takes forever to get through these pictures too oh shit enroll here let's do this let's see how much of this $555 for the energy and frequency of money. What the fuck is going on? I mean, good for her. There was an article about in the LA Times. People broke into her house and stole stuff, but they ended up getting fake money. No, stop.

I don't know what's going. I don't think, like, it would be a much bigger issue, obviously, if it was counterfeit. No, no, I just think it's like that TikTok money. It's TikTok money or it's money with her face on it. I'm not really sure which one I want to go into. But God. What a woman. Again, if it somehow worked for you, great, we're not rooting against people.

We want you to be successful. Yeah. Let's go to questions. From RTSV 93, is there a chance that Erica will actually be good this season? Yeah, there's a chance. Yeah. Yeah, I see that. It seems like she's a little bit more prone to opening up this season versus other

seasons. I think the further we get from the Tom Gerardi shit, the more will get out of her, understandably so. Yeah. Blacksmith Trev, do you think Amanda is actually annoying or do you think the edits make her worse than she is? Both. I do think that the editing, and we commented on that earlier in the episode, I think the

editing is trying to push you further down the rabbit hole of thinking that she's really annoying, but I do think that the base level is very annoying. this is an interesting three-parter uh hold on i gotta do more digging here i don't know about this one yeah i gotta do a little more digging and see if there's a i figure there'd be yeah i don't know i read the one sentence in the middle for the second part or maybe the first part i don't know but i don't think i hope we're not actually calling kids bastards unironically because that would be fucking nuts were we in the 1400s in England? Yeah, I really don't

like the tone of these three. I'm not going to read them. You know who I'm talking about if you're listening, and I would just ask that you clarify if you're being serious, because this is a weird way to phrase things. Steph De Chip Sohoi, do you think Amanda's AI?

I think she's as close to AI as possible for a person to be. And I think that just kind of goes in line with what she's doing for her career. I don't think she can really help it. I think she's just, it's the same thing with that false bravado and all that confidence that she has.

It's all fake, but I think she truly believes it's real, and that's why she's very close to AI. Joe C. Thibbert. Unrelated, are you guys going to cover the Valley Persian style. We are. We are recording it tomorrow. I'm actually excited.

Dev watched it and said that she enjoyed it. So I'm looking forward to a change-up. It's definitely going to be nice to see some familiar faces that we haven't seen in a while. There's some new faces. If it's, even remotely as good as the Valley season one, like we're in for a good show. So I'm cautiously optimistic on that one.

This is the biggest indicator, by the way, for Beverly Hills is when we post questions. Years past, there have been, I mean, pages. There is two, four, six, eight, nine, and three of those are a weird comment from one person, i.e. Sutton. So that's where we're at. People don't even... Or this is the question and this is what we'll end on from Lexi Craig. Do you find the season boring? Because I sure do.

So that is the big indicator. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's exactly what it is. I think there's nothing to really ask us, honestly, if we want to break it down that way. Like, what is there to ask? Nothing. Nothing at all. Hopefully this doesn't continue.

Yeah. Somehow we were able to stretch that into an hour. our job. So nice job shooter. Well done. Handshake through the screen. Bravo. But, uh, yeah, I don't know, guys. I really don't know. I do know that we have a lot of shows coming up. And if this continues this trend and you guys aren't tuning in, uh, this one could easily fall to the wayside, given everything else we got going on. Not yet. We will always tough it out as long as we have to. As long as you guys are listening, we will continue. Uh, but if you guys stop listening, and it's this bad,

we will not be covering the show this year. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a threat, by the way, guys. That's just... No, not at all. Yeah, like, if you listen, we will do what we got to do. We always do, because we're here for you guys.

So if you're listening, we'll continue on very begrudgingly, but we will. But yeah, if you stop listening, we're not going to keep doing this one because what the fuck. Anywho, there's a little cheerful, episode for your Tuesday. Hopefully you're in a good mood after listening to that one. But thank you guys for the sport.

Yeah. Got anything else? Nope. Well, that's all I got. Brof bros are out of here. Bye. Bye. Bye-bye now.

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It's the podcast that I'll have you saying, that was so funny. I should not have listened to it at night with all the lights off. From the grates like The Exorcist and Poultergeist to modern classics, such as Hereditary and Get Out, to the freakiest new releases like A Quiet Place and Terrorfire, we ruin them all and will leave you howling, mostly from laughter, sometimes because you're turning into a werewolf. Ooh, listen along as I try and guess the movie's twist, predict who will survive, and answer the hardest question of all.

What would you do? So please listen to new episodes of Ruin'd every Tuesday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. And whatever you do, we're begging you, please keep it spooky. From the podcast that brought you to each of the last lesbian bars in the country and back in time through the Sapphic history that shaped them comes a brand new season of cruising beyond the bars. This is your host, Sarah Gabrieli,

and I've spent the past year interviewing history-making lesbians and queer folks about all kinds of queer spaces, from bookstores to farms to line dancing and much more. For 11 years, every night women slept illegally on the common. We would move down to the West Indies to form a lesbian nation. Kristen coined the phrase women's music, but she would have liked it say it was lesbian music. And that's kind of the origins of the comedy viewer collective. You can listen to cruising on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

New episodes air every other Tuesday starting February 4th.