Bros & Shows - On the Colorado Trail! Let's Hope No One Gets Dysentery (RHOP "Season Finale" Recap)

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

What's up Bros? We have ourselves a very goofy episode of Potomac to recap which takes place almost entirely in cars. While on the road to the beautiful and "wanderful" Wanderland Experience, we realize Angel used the perfect word for her company as we do quite a bit of wandering the Colorado Rockies. Turns out, the exclusive site for the Wanderland Experience was even too exclusive for Angel herself! Tune in to listen to Shooter Magooter & Special Guest The Brooke Ashley break down the ins and outs of this episode. Steel wishes he could be here but perhaps he also got lost on the Colorado Trail! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Now, this is going to be interesting. A lot of you guys have been wondering where the hell we've been. We did not tell you ahead of time. We actually recorded a couple episodes and then forgot to drop those ahead of time so that you would know what was going on. It's going to be weird. Steel's not here. Is Steel okay?

We'll talk about it. And I've got a special guest to talk to us about Potomac. It's the final. We're going to call it the season finale. So we're going to call this the season finale of Potomac before we get to Karen, before we get to the reunion. We've got one last thing to tie it up. So let's go ahead and hit it.

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. Your favorite show for the Bros. Nope, from The Bros. For Everybody. wants to listen. I'm your co-host, Shooter Magouter. This is sounding really weird right off the jump, and you guys are just going to have to bear with us. But today, I've got a very special guest to help us break down all things, Potomac. It is The Brooke Ashley. What's going on?

Hey, Shooter. I feel so honored to be here today. How are you doing? How are things? So much good TV on right now. I'm doing great. Yeah, yeah. We're doing great. For those of you that don't know, because again, we didn't tell you that this was going on. Steels out a bit of a hiatus. He's doing something double secret probationary where he's going to be out of commission for a little bit. We're not positive exactly when he's going to come back. He might be able to pop in here and there,

but we still got to make sure that we give you guys the content. So we're going to have a couple of special guests lined up for the next week, starting with Brooke Ashley. Now, Brooke, what's going on? What's your take on? Let's just go over the Potomac season. What's your take on the season? The season, I feel, was pretty good, considering that their heavy hitter, Karen, was in prison, and we didn't see her.

But I think overall, it was, it could have been better if they didn't focus so much on trying to gang up and bully Stacey. Okay. Right. Yeah. I think it's, so it's funny, too, that you say that, because what we're used to, I feel like in the beginning of the season was, okay, leave Stacey alone, leave Stacey alone. And I feel like the entire second half was, let's see what's going on with Angel. And by the end of the season, we're like, no, actually,

maybe we just leave Angel alone. Now, I know that you got to talk to Angel, what was it, last month about her experience. So any little tidbits that you can share with us? Sure, yeah. So I interviewed Angel and she was a pleasure, pleasure talking to her. I feel like for me, I gained a bit more insight on her.

My subscribers, I feel I got more from Angelism. well. I think that Angel overall, I think that she is just a very sweet and sensitive soul. And I even said to her, I said, do you feel like you're being portrayed accurately, right? Because it's coming across that you're kind of down and sad all the time. And she sees the comments from everybody. And she said, no, that's not me at all. I just think that personally, I think that she was thrown into a very, very, you know, she's not. a very, it's a very fast-paced environment being on these shows, and you have to really be quick with it. I think she came in ill-prepared, like, bottom line.

I think that she's very lovely and sweet, but you have to have your head on a swivel when you were on the Real Housewives, especially on Potomac. And I think that she came in kind of shell-shocked. Yeah, I think that's a pretty good assessment of what happened. And Steele and I talked about this. It's nice to get a fresh perspective because I think Steele and I kind of view it the same way. He is such a soft spot for Potomac though. So any time that I even try to antagonize him or talk about maybe a pitfall here or there, he's so against it.

He gets very defensive about it. But this is his baby. He loves Potomac. So I'm not going to blame him for that. But for Angel in particular, it's been such a weird season for her. It almost got to a point in the middle of the season where she didn't seem like she had anything left. It's like, okay, this wasn't what you expected. Are you going to bounce back?

Are you going to figure things out? Are you going to realize that Giselle's just poking in prodig? you. It's not really, and although it does kind of seem like it towards the end of the season that she was doing it actually trying to go after Angel. But in the beginning, it just kind of seemed like, all right, let's see what you're made of. Let's see if you can hang with this crew because Potomac is one of the harder crews to get in, like engulfed in. It's a hard crew to really try to make friends in because they're always seemingly going after each other for the weirdest little things here and there. And can you handle it? And the answer to that was pretty much a resounding no for a while.

But I do think that she has some weird personal takeaways. And this episode kind of rung true for me, even with her kind of sitting there, like, I just feel like every time I'm doing something, it goes wrong. Something happens. And I don't know if you saw that people were digging into it a little bit more. Maybe there's a little bit more to be reading into from the producer standpoint. Did they set her up for failure, especially with this trip? What do you think about that?

What do you think about, you know, maybe people getting involved that shouldn't be getting involved and maybe making it a little bit harder for her? So I thought in the first half of the trip, before they went to Aspen, with the water not working and the toilet's not flushing and all that, I do believe that production might have had their hand in that. We can't deny that production will do anything to make sure that there's a great show and a dramatic moment. And we've had producers come, former producers come out and admit that they would do the craziest things to get a good scene. So it's not out the realm of possibility that they set her up with this horrible house for them to make her look bad. I think that for me, I was defending Angel up until that last day. That last day was just poor planning on her part. Yeah. I think that's a fair assessment too, because it made no sense. And it just seems like we got into this weird power struggle. And obviously, that's how the last episode kind of ends, where Giselle is taking the power back. And you can agree with Giselle or disagree with Giselle. I disagree with Giselle. I don't think she should do that. But either way,

I know that being on that trip was probably hell on earth. There was nothing planned. If you weren't staying at Angel's property, you were kind of screwed to begin with. But watching it unfold, it's just a different level of entertainment value, I think, for the viewers. Sitting back and watching this whole thing just fall apart,

nothing's lining up, nothing's perfectly planned. People are getting their hands in and changing it up, going to the four seasons. We're not doing what Angel wants to do anymore. We're doing what I want to do. And then you end up with this. episode where they're in a car for what seems like seven hours.

It was unbelievable to watch. And in a weird way, it just kind of worked. And I feel like when we started this trip off, starting with, you know, a moment of clarity. Let's sit down. You know, it's the newfound sound bath. We're going to reflect. What do we want to do? What are our intentions for this trip?

It's like, okay, Angel, like, we do this in the beginning of seasons. We try to do the intentions for that. We're still doing intentions at the end when you should be saying, I want to try to figure things out and repair relationships. She's saying, I want to get off on the right foot. It's like, wait a minute. You've been here for six months. What do you mean get off on the right foot? You need to try to find your way back to that path. But in a weird way, it all kind of comes together in this beautiful disaster where we're forcing these women to be in cars together and talk about their issues because they're stuck in traffic or get back to a gas station and really have it out with the whole group. So it worked in a very weird way where Giselle was trying to pull the strings and even that didn't seem to work. And we get to just kind of answer a couple of things that happens with a spillover from all of the stuff that we had in Aspen, a spillover from, you know, the house not working.

It just somehow it's just going to go down in history as one of those better housewives trips for all the wrong reasons. It was so bad that it was iconic in a way. Like this was actually a legendary trip because this actually, I think, might be the worst trip across all the housewives. If I'm being honest, I think that may be. like the second worst housewife's trip was baby New York when they were stuck in Columbia and they were on that, um, the catamaran and it was like almost tipped over and like caught on fire. But I think that this takes the cake as one of the worst trips ever. And the fact that we actually spent 45 minutes of them in the car and they're going nowhere. And at one point, it's like,

we're 35 miles away. Um, there's no exact address. Angel did Angel picked a new spot. for them to go fly fishing at. Like, girl, you never try something new the day of a big event. And also, why are we fly fishing on the day that we're leaving? Like, it was, this was just so poorly planned. Like, I can't, you can't make this up. And then she's like white knuckling the wheel.

She's like clutching the wheel and she's driving the car with both hands. She's sobbing. Tia's consoling her. It's something out of a movie. You can't make this up. And then at the end, she's still saying, well, you know, we can still make it to fly fishing. I'm only 95 miles away. And they're just like, girl, no, it's over.

Give it up. Yeah, the way that it unfolded throughout the episode was just unbelievably good cinema. It was so perfect. And I feel like it really rounded off a terrible trip from hell in a very good way because it got everybody to a point where everyone seemingly agreeing, we can't do this. Angel's still clutching every little aspect.

Like, no, we have to do Wonderland. We have to do this fly fishing. It just worked out perfectly. And the way that we get there is awesome. I mean, it's unbelievable. The way that we just kind of spill over from Aspen, we go to the four seasons, it seems like everybody's all together. Jazeel's got her power back.

We're in this beautiful suite. And I will say, even now in the beginning of the episode, Angel seems to be doing pretty well with it. Like, I thought that she was going to be more staunchly against everything. Like, no, we can go back to here for just a little bit. We'll have some food so you guys can get changed and maybe lay in a comfy bed. But I've got this and I've got that. planned and we have to get back to the house you guys stay here she wasn't really doing any of that so it

almost seemed like she was willing to at least let joselle take over for a little bit because she could see that it was bringing a lot of happiness to the girls and they were taking shots i mean that we're sitting there playing piano just making songs about how terrible of a trip it was and i thought again the angel that we've seen all season would have taken offense to that she would have gotten up and left she would have said this is bullshit maybe called bobby whoever you know pull k aside start talking about this and how Giselle's the real problem here. She didn't do any of that. So that gave me a lot of hope for her.

But I think, so I think that Angel messed up, and I said this in my recap, I said, Angel, you should have just stayed at the four seasons. I was shocked to find out that they didn't stay. I think that I don't care. I don't want to hear that excuse about it was too late. It was already 1 a.m. There are just certain times where it's like,

when in Rome, do as the Romans. They're staying there. You know it's going to piss them off. You want to go fly fishing. You guys all want to be together. You've already said that you're going to stay at the hotel. Just do it. If you guys had to come back to that hotel at 5 a.m.,

you should have been there. Then I think what I was really shocked to hear when they get to the hotel, they still don't have their luggage. And when I think you learn, it's like, how are we getting our luggage here? And she's like, oh, well, it's two hours away from the four seasons. I'm like, oh, my gosh, everywhere was two hours. I'm like everywhere Angel had for them was two hours away.

I was like, oh, in my opinion, I think that Angel would have really gained favor. Hatchy said, you know what, I have the money. Let me call up a personal assistant or somebody to pack up our luggage and have them drive it over here. That's what I would have done. It was just so bizarre. I was like, Angel, why are we going back and forth? It's like 100 miles each way everywhere.

Like, what is going on? It was really funny. As soon as that happened, my mind immediately goes to, I think it was like season seven or season eight of Roney where Dyrinda left her luggage back in the city and they were in Vermont. And she didn't realize it until she got there. The car service brought her out there. But the next day, they had the luggage for her. So I think one, and this kind of dips back into it. And I'm not going to blame production for everything.

But that's what production assistants are for. I know that it's an hour and a half, two hours away. Go get the luggage. It would have been funnier if she had called Bobby and said, hey, Bobby, I know you've got your hands. full with the kids going on and do you might just packing our stuff and like putting it in a car for us at least and like having somebody drive it over yes the weird disconnect there didn't make a ton of sense now obviously the rest of the women had their luggage because they could not be happier to get out of that house they had their luggage with them probably brought it to aspen we're clutching it like i i'm not letting go of this this is not going back to that damn house i'm not going back there but for them like i kind of see it both ways i understand your luggage is back there you want to get an early start so maybe you don't stay at the hotel hell, fine. But what you just said is important. This is supposed to be a trip for everybody. And again, you're planning it. It's here. It's in the middle of Denver and where you are in Colorado Springs. Fine. I get it. But come back to the hotel. How many times do we have to say girls trips

are supposed to be about all of us hanging out together? Now, I know Jazzy and Ashley get to go out and they have fun on the horse or on the riding the bull. And it looked like Ashley took a massive tumble, which was hilarious. But at the same time, it's like, okay, figure out a way that you guys can still be all together because that's such a point of conflict here that you keep pulling two people aside and going okay we're going to go back to the house we're going to go stay back at the house and we'll meet you guys over there but you don't tell anybody there's no communication about any of this happening and that's i feel like the most bizarre point at least drop a text in the group like hey you know we're not going to get a room for tonight but we're going to go stay we'll be back over at 5 a.m.

There's no traffic it'll take us an hour to get back not a big deal i don't think anybody would have any issues with that but she keeps creating these issues for no reason. It doesn't really make any sense to me. Lack of communication. I think that if she is going to come back, she needs to be direct. She needs to be clear. She needs to say what she has to say with her chest, not safe for the confessional. And just stop backpedaling. If you say you're going to be somewhere, just do it. Nobody wants to hear a sob story with a tiny violin and you're droning on and on and on. Just say, you know what? I'll be there. Make it happen.

I think that she overthought everything. She was so in her head with this trip, and it failed massively. And I feel bad for her because you could tell that she's like, oh, my gosh, they already don't like me. They already have this view of me. Everything has gone wrong. And now here I am, this whole thing has gone bust with the fly fishing. Could it get any worse? Like, it was, I felt so bad.

But at the same time, I'm like, Angel, this was poor planning. Because again, you were. better off doing a day at the spa in the morning, Giselle's brunch, and then packing up and going home. Yeah. And I feel like at this point for Angel anyway, she's still very aware that the power is shifting. And that's what I feel like she doesn't want to let on is if I stay, if I do all of these things, I'm letting Giselle win and then I'm still going to open up another door.

In reality, what happened, I feel like you can probably apply this to the whole season for Angel. She was doing more to hurt herself. than she was to help herself throughout the whole season. She kept bringing things up. She had that sit down with her sister where she's all talk, talking about how the women are being mean to her, but don't let me get off the chain because I'm going to go after them. It's like, oh, but then do that.

I feel like you're not doing that. You keep talking about it, but you're not doing it. And in this instance, this is the best case scenario. You stay at the four seasons. You guys all go together. You might have some sort of fighting chance to get out there on time. Still doesn't make any sense, but at the same time, whatever.

everybody seems to be buying into it. We see that in the morning. They're all getting in the car, even though Giselle's talking about just doing brunch and then going to the airport, she still gets in the car to go. Whether production told her she had to do it or whatever may have happened, everybody's still going to go to this event with you. And it's still going to affect everybody if you don't go.

You've got these poor people from Wanderland out there setting up, cooking all this meat, setting up the fly fishing, and you guys never showed up. Like, you're screwing over a lot of people by doing this. So the whole thing was just completely in flux. She could have done herself so many favors, like you said, if she just stayed and went to the spa in the morning, did the brunch, and then you go from there. And if you realize that you don't have time to do it when somebody pulls it up on their GPS, then you don't have time to do it.

You just go to the airport, not a big deal. Or, you know, when Giselle's going up, which I thought was such a funny line, Giselle talking about the hell, she feels like she was made for this. I feel like treating these women to a nice weekend and making sure that everybody is well pampered, that's just something I'm made for. She had one trip that I'm not even going to say it was a stellar trip the nevis trip. It was not a stellar trip. It went okay. Nobody had any real issues, but now Giselle thinks she was made for this. It's so funny.

I'm like, okay, one good trip after 10 years of raggedy trips, Motel 8. Okay, yeah, that doesn't really mean you're the hostess with the most is, but we'll go with that for now. I think another part to add on about the lack of communication on Angels part, when they had gotten lost, and they only have like three hours until the departure time, they got lost in the woods and Keanu's freaking out. I was thinking, I was like, Angel, at what point do you call up the other women and say, hey, we're lost, you guys go without us, just go to the airport. She's still holding on for dear life.

And I was thinking the fact that they had to call her at the gas station and she still hadn't called them. I'm like, you're giving them another, it's another strike. You're giving them more ammo to use against you at the reunion. I was just like, Angel, where is the common sense? Because I know that this is happening to me where I'm all turned around. I'm calling the group like, hey, guys, I'm all messed up. Just go without me or go to the airport.

Just call the day. It's a chop. It's a wash. Sorry about that. Feel free to get on me and jump on me at when I see you guys in Maryland. But like, there is just like a disconnect when it comes to communication. And I want her to like tie it up. Do you think that maybe the disconnect with communication?

Because the thought popped into my head. While she's lost, now obviously, you know, in the forefront of her brain, she's lost and she wants to figure it out. But she's still trying to prove to Kay and Tia who were in the car, hey, I know what I'm doing. I know where we're going. I know what I'm doing. But she can't ever really admit like, hey, I'm lost, guys. I don't know what the hell is going on. We're lost in the middle of the woods.

There's cars parked up here. This isn't where we're going. We have the back out of this mountain makes no sense. You're using, which makes no sense. And this just goes against her too. She had a pin dropped, which anyone who. has ever had a pin dropped, it is hard enough in the city when somebody drops a pin. You're going to put a pin on a mountain.

There's no roads. Like, there's no way the GPS is going to be able to read like, hey, you actually have to go right at this tree and then go back this way. It makes no sense. But the thought popped into my brain that she doesn't, again, ever want to admit defeat. She doesn't want to just admit like, hey, guys, this whole thing is a complete cluster. Fuck. We're not getting anywhere. I'm lost.

You're lost. You guys are stuck in traffic. like, we're never getting here. Let's turn around and go to the airport. She doesn't want to do that. But I thought maybe she was holding on to the fact that she hadn't heard from the other women, which means either they're not coming or they got stuck in traffic or lost and they're going back to the airport.

Then she can say, we're here, we're at Wanderlust, and you guys aren't here. What the hell? You guys didn't tell me anything. So there is like sort of a give and take policy when it comes to her about... I'm Andy and I'm Melissa and this is moms and mysteries. We're two Florida moms obsessed with true. true crime, from infamous cases like Ellen Greenberg to shocking Florida stories like the Dan Markell killing. With 55 million downloads, we bring you new deep dives every Tuesday and Thursday.

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You can laugh about this. It's not that big of a deal. But when you do it this way, they're going to hold it against you forever. Like this whole thing went completely out the window because of your planning. And if you just admitted at least once, like, hey, guys, yeah, the timing doesn't really work out. Let's just have a nice day in the four seasons. We'll go to a bar in Denver. Then we'll get to the airport plenty of time, make sure everybody has their stuff and move forward.

And I feel like the rest of the women in the group, not Giselle. not Ashley, but the rest of the women would have looked and been like, yeah, you know what, you tried, it worked, it didn't work for the most part, but at least we're okay and at least we're not stressing about our flight. Agreed. Agreed. And I'm like, again, you have, she has to think about what is this, what is this going to mean for me at the reunion, right? I think that they all have to think about that, like keeping a running tab in their head of, okay, I said this, they said that, House is going to play at the reunion, and the fact that she gave them so many strikes against her. I mean, they are all going to be getting on her on that reunion. We see it.

When we watch this reunion, they're going to be getting on her about how it was so horrible. I'm sure there was more that we didn't see that happened. We're going to find out like, actually, girl, production had to call us and tell us this and that because you didn't do that. You dropped the ball here. You dropped the ball there. So I mean, I think I do believe you're, I do believe what you're saying that there was a part of that where she was trying to get to the fly fishing excursion to be like, oh, I'm here and you guys didn't show up, but it backfired terribly. Yeah, it absolutely did. Now, we'll start spilling into these cars because the conversations that happened in these cars, there's just something about housewives. You put them in some sort

of transportation and something just awakens in their brain. They start talking. And it's about stuff that I really wouldn't think was going to be a big deal. It's stuff that gets glossed over like Jazzy's wedding, which I thought we were completely over, like Cherise, which I thought we were completely over. But instead, it just kind of ignites this fire. So the main car that we're going to talk about here, because we've already kind of talked about Angel K and Tia just driving around aimlessly, we're going to talk about Wendy, Stacey, and Jazzy because that's where all the drama seems to unfold.

And I did not see any of this coming because it starts off with just an innocuous comment where Stacey apparently has an issue with Jazzy because she stopped and tried to get Sharise's phone number to exchange digits just so they can, you know, maybe further a relationship, further a friendship in there. They hadn't really gotten much of a chance to meet each other and talk too much. I think there was some spillover. Cherise is always an enigma on this show. She pops up. She leaves. She comes back. What do you make of first off, oh, wait, actually, before we get into that, what do you make of Sharise's press tour right now with her son talking about Ashley? This is old news. Nobody cares. We want to move past it. I say,

that she was on the Sherry Shepherd show today with Jackson. That's what I saw. Yep. I'm like, enough. And Cherise, you're not embarrassed that you're only being asked to be on TV to talk about your son's sex life. You have nothing else to talk about? Like, it's very embarrassing. It's just, it's so stupid.

And I feel like this gives Ashley relevance. And I want Ashley off the show. Oh, good. All right. Good. Good. Yeah. So I see, I do that a little differently.

I think it's actually a means to an end to get Ashley. off the show because more people now, I feel like, are against Ashley and want her off the show than ever. She's an OG on this show, which no one ever talks about. She was here season one. She's still here. She doesn't get talked about in the same realm as Giselle as Karen, not even in the same realm as Wendy, who hasn't been on the show as long as Ashley has.

And yet she's still here. And she just has this weird notion that she belongs, that she just gets to do whatever she wants. I actually thought maybe this was going to be the first season that I. Ashley really showed up in a good way because all the Michael Darby stuff was gone. Because she was finally able to move on from the divorce, she got paid. She's now rich. She now has her own money to go do things. And instead she sets it up with a second bloom ball, which makes no sense.

And then moves on to more irrelevancy. Like all she was doing all season was being Giselle's minion. She was just doing what she wanted for Giselle. The first chance that Stacey does something that she even likes, which was setting her up with Maricio, which is bizarre. she immediately flips she's like you know what maybe stacey can be my friend maybe we can have some sort of budding friendship it makes no sense i don't understand why she's still on this show but i'm glad to hear that you're on the same on the same team with us oh yeah oh absolutely like i've been feeling

i've felt this way since she joined the show okay i have been asking for her firing for years so i'm hoping lord willing that this is her final season i mean she brought absolutely nothing this season nothing trying to force the family stuff on us, we don't care. We don't care. I could not care less. Every time that they flip up, except for Uncle Lump, that's the only person in her family that I'm like, all right, I like him. Because he actually, he talks some sense into a nonsensical situation when it comes to Ashley, Ashley pushing all of these things going on. And if I hear one more time about Jack Harlow and her dating him and bouncing off and on and

off and on again, it makes no sense. We do not care. We have to watch a breakup scene of the two of you guys in the middle of what was that like an f1 restaurant which we have philly which i still haven't been to but they have that everywhere it's this big breakup scene that they think we're invested in and come to find out that her and josh are just off and on again it makes no sense i her role on this show is so stupid and i want her out and i think you have a good thing going with jazzy i think jazzy can take that place i think you might have a good thing going kearta was a lot more enjoyable especially on this trip. Get her away from Greg.

Production needs to intervene with Greg. Get him out of here and keep Kearna. Kearnah is a beautiful woman who has her own money. She needs to go, like have Jazzy, like sit down with her husband and set her up with an NFL player. I don't know. She deserves so much more.

And she was so much more likable away from Greg. And she was more likable this season away from Greg. So I think you might have something there. You've got enough women on this show. You can get rid of Ashley and then plug and play somebody else and see what happens. Absolutely. And Karen's coming back. So we don't need, you know, the Wendy jail stuff.

So we don't need Ashley at all. We don't. I can only imagine what Ashley's going to bring next year, too, with all the Wendy stuff. Karen coming back, is she just going to like put her feet to the fight? I don't want to know. I do not want to know what Ashley's going to be doing. But that being said, that's where Stacey starts. I have a real big problem because you saw how Cherise was talking about me back when cookie was relevant on the show, which was I still do.

kind of want cookie to float in and out. But that was, that's where it all started. Cherise was calling her a low down whore, going after other people's husbands, sitting out, which by the way, you and Stacey went out to dinner together. So you guys were friends. And Steele and I have a different view on this. I imagine some guys came over and started flirting with Stacey and Cherise took offense to it. And now this is what Cherise is doing and playing it out that way.

But Stacey takes offense because that's, you know, fine. Her and Jazzy are friends. Sharice made some comments. Why are you trying to get to know Sherees? What's your take on Jazzy just seemingly just like sharing some niceties with Sherees?

I didn't think there was anything too deep there. Yeah, I didn't even realize that. Like I don't even think the camera showed that. So like I was really surprised. Oh, like they exchanged numbers. I mean, I kind of forget about Jazzy. So I don't really pay that much attention to what she has going on.

It's no shade. And I feel like Jazzy was doing a lot this season about very little. Like the little freak out she had a nevis about Tia. That was really weird. But back to the point, I didn't really, I didn't know where this conversation was going to go. And I feel like Jazzy and Wendy took things a lot farther than they should have gone.

It didn't warrant all this screaming, yelling, and crying. Right. Yeah, no, I fully agree with that. But I do like that Jazzy just throws it right back in her face. Yeah. Because we never really did get to discuss. the wedding. It seems like an afterthought. At the time, my take on it was, and I tend to do this a lot, when it comes to housewives, I tend to just kind of remove them from the housewives of it all

and just look at it like normal people. If you're a normal person and you and Jazzy, which we don't have a whole lot on their friendship, maybe it is deeper than it's portrayed on the show. But if you're invited to a destination wedding, which the destination was what, Houston, so the destination is Houston, if you're invited to a wedding and you have to go fly to Houston, by yourself and none of your friends are going and you have something else pop up and you're like, oh, you know what, I'll just send them a gift. Like it's not that big of a deal. But then you find out the two of your close friends are going to this wedding.

Yeah, of course you're going to end up going to the wedding. Like I didn't really see that that was much bigger than it should have been played out on the screen. So I didn't really have an issue. What I do have an issue is with Stacy explaining this and not understanding where anybody's coming from. That is very funny. I feel like where you get somebody like Angel who kind of gets. herself, like, buries herself in a hole with lying or omitting some things here and there.

Stacey, when Stacey does it, there's a charm to it for some reason. And I don't know what it is. I can't quite put my finger on it, but everybody enjoys it the same way. It's very funny. And yet, it's copy and paste. If you look at them side by side without knowing who was who, you'd be like, oh, yeah, it's kind of messed up that she did that. I don't really understand it, but I love that we get to have a real discussion about this.

Because Wendy, your best friend on this cast is now holding your feet to the fire. Like, hey, can you just admit that you. did this? Like, that's all we really want to do here. So I think that Stacy has a charm and a charisma and she's magnetic. And not saying, I don't want to put Angel down, but it's just Angel's very like in her head, right? Right. I think that's the difference of why they let Stacy slide

and the audience let Stacy slide over Angel. But I feel that Wendy did way too much in this situation. I was, I feel like, First of all, Wendy, this argument has nothing to do with you. You're inserting yourself in this. And then the screaming and the yelling about, no, because I told you and you can play with somebody else, don't play with me. It has felt like Wendy, who are you talking to?

And I'm sorry, but I don't like it how these girls have selective amnesia. Wendy went through hell and high water on this show for the majority of her time. This is her sixth season, and she's only had a good season, this season and last season. Giselle, Robin, Ashley, everybody despised her. Despised her. Mia assaulted you and hit you with her cheap clutch on top of that. And four episodes later, you guys were playing patty cake and laughing when nothing happened. She never apologized to you.

Giselle, who's against violence, said at the reunion, well, I don't care that you got assaulted because I don't like you. So to see you, you had no smoke for these people. but you have smoke for Stacy, your best friend, it's one thing to hold your friend's feet to the fire. It's another thing to just jump on them and yell at them and scream at them and curse at them and in front of a crowd.

And Wendy, this felt performative, it felt phony. It felt like somebody was in her ear saying, hey, girl, this is the last episode or second to last episode, turn it up if you want that season 11 contract. It didn't feel genuine at all. And I just feel like, Wendy, for you, to do this to your friend. That's not how a friend acts.

I'm sorry. I was not here for it. I thought that Wendy was out of line. She was out of order. Yeah, she was absolutely out of order. I do agree with you in the sense of like, the housewives can feel when it's the end of the season. They know what's going on. And I agree with you.

I think Wendy last year and most of this year had a great season. We talked about it a bunch. It's a shame that these charges are coming out when they're coming out because she was having such a great season. But that being said, she's been absolutely. for the last couple episodes. She didn't really do a whole lot. She didn't do a lot leading up to Colorado,

and she didn't do a lot in the beginning of the Colorado trip. So for this to happen now seemed weird. And I'll give her a tiny, tiny bit of a benefit of a doubt, because I do imagine when you are the only person who has been defending Stacey, your friends with Stacey, and she continues to do these things where it's like, all right, just I've had enough. Just can you admit you weren't going to go to the wedding unless we were going to the wedding. That's all you really have to do.

And it really, I do think, Jazzy's irrelevant in all of this. I don't think it really matters. It may have just been something bubbling up. Like, I'm, I'm sick and tired of defending you when you do this because now you're dragging me into it. And I don't really want to deal with this. That's fine. But then she just kind of knocked it up and not like, she just really threw it into hyperdrive. And she went after her. And now she's sitting with all the women. And she didn't really have that kind of smoke while we were in the car. Like, while you're in the car, you're like, okay, can you just admit? Can you just admit? Like, I'm not calling you a liar, but just admit that this is what happens. You get out of the car,

everybody else is there and you just take it up a notch and it makes no sense why you'd be doing this and again i do understand if you're a little exhausted from stacey putting herself in this position and then putting you in that position by proxy for some way shape and form whatever but to take it to this level of theatrics didn't make any sense to me it really didn't and i'm happy the way that it ended seemed to be like okay you guys are done yelling it's okay stacey's still not admitting anything but she is saying sorry you're able to give her a hundred hug and that should be it. Like we can add this into a wash.

But when we're looking at this later and we're looking at Wendy's antics, if you will, it does seem like you did rev it up because you wanted a moment. And it's funny because Stacey's looking at Jazzy like, oh, you just wanted a moment. I don't even think the Jazzy wanted a moment. I think Jazzy still feels a little sore about this. And you're calling her out for getting Cherise's phone number when she said some bad things about you. This is the housewives world.

Everybody has said bad things about everybody. And we move on and it's okay. what are we not allowed to have each other's phone numbers? Like, I don't really understand that. So to throw that back in Stacey's face was warranted. I fully agree with Jazzy, and I think the timing made a lot of sense. If Jazzy was talking about this all season and we finally got to a boiling point, it's like, okay, shut up, Jazzy, we've had enough.

That's one thing. She hasn't. And she's had a pretty righteous gripe, I feel like, to bring this back up to Stacey. And she waited for her moment and she did it. Wendy, on the other hand, it seemed like she was trying to have that moment there in front of everybody. For sure.

And then at the gas station, she's like, you know, just dropping the F word. It's like, Wendy, you don't talk like that. And where was this smoke for me and when Mia assaulted you? Because there's no way that you're putting hands on me and throwing water in my face. And I just sit there. But I have all this smoke for somebody who I claim is a good friend who just told a little white lie. Like it doesn't make any sense. It felt like at the gas station, she was performing for Giselle and Ashley.

It was giving, okay, like, see, like you guys proud of me? like you want she wanted her pat on the head because I'm sorry but Wendy Wendy this season has been giving I want to be down with the mean girls and I've gotten some flag for that but I feel like definitely in this finale I was vindicated because I'm sorry this performance was phony and when it comes to Jazzy does have a right to you know throw it back in Stacy's face about the whole wedding stuff but Jazzy let's be so honest you just want to make sure that somebody from the cast was coming to get your wedding filmed. Let's just call a thing a thing. I think that Jazzy sort of wanted a moment just a little bit. She didn't really care that much. She just wanted to make sure that somebody on the

full-time cast was coming. So that way, she would get the wedding filmed. I mean, we saw two minutes of the wedding. That was it. So it didn't really make that much of a difference. But I think that Jazzy was also putting on just a tiny bit, just a wee bit. Yeah. She talked about it enough early in the season. I think we were in Davis and she was talking about the wedding. So we all knew what she was trying to do and she got it. There was a cameraman there. It looked like it may have been an iPhone, but there was a cameraman there. So we at least got some footage of this wedding out there.

Bravo's not footing the bill for anything by any means. Maybe for Ashley and Wendy to fly out and I guess Stacey by proxy. But at the same time, you accomplish what you want to do accomplish. That's good enough for me. The rest of the trip is it's really funny when you bounce from car to car because you go over to the other car, which is, you know, Giselle, Ashley, and Monique, they're not really talking about much except for there's traffic. What are we doing? Can we leave? Do we want to do this? And the other car was just in complete chaos with Angel at the helm, trying to figure out where to go.

And the one thing that she said that kind of like perked my ears up a little bit, and this is what got me going on the, at least it seems like she's getting somewhat self-aware. She understands what's going on. And she used very weird word choice when it came to it because she said she feels like a masochist because it just keeps happening over and over and over again. And I don't know if she realized it at the time or maybe this is actually what she was trying to say, but a masochist is doing this to themselves. They're enjoying this. So yeah, you're not enjoying this.

But at least it seemed like there's some semblance of I keep doing this to myself and I can't get out of my own way. And that's enough for me to at least look at this like, okay, maybe you're going to go into this reunion with a clear head and understanding what happened this season. so maybe you can at least address some of the things that happened because I don't think they got I don't think they were evicted I don't think they were kicked out of their house like we all know what happens there why she wasn't able to explain that in a way that made sense to anybody is completely beyond me but hopefully she has some sort of understanding of what happened this season and how she could have gotten out of her own way but at the same time we did see all of those tweets and stuff on threads after the reunion that makes me feel like maybe she didn't go into that reunion understanding what was

going to happen. I know. I'm just nervous. I think that some people just aren't meant for reality television and that's okay. It's no slight to you, you know, don't feel ashamed about it, but I think that she's just too nice to be in this group. And I think she thought maybe because she is married to a football a player that might give her some status in the group. But these women don't care, especially with Giselle. Giselle, if you seem to come in with a happy marriage and you're a happy person, a happy disposition, and you have some money, that gets her really angry.

OK, she likes a struggle story. But I feel like, you know, when her little jealousy kicks up, she wants to tear you down. So I feel like, Angel, I don't know how you thought it was going to go in this group, but I think that you miscalculated and misread the room. I feel, again, I feel bad. I do feel bad because you can tell that there are so many scenes during this,

during this episode where it's like, why did I sign up for this? Like when they kept flashing her crying at the wheel, her whole entire body language was, was, why did I sign up for this show? Like, what did I get myself into? It was a horrible idea. I felt so bad. Yeah, this is definitely the first time in a while, that I've really felt bad.

I felt bad for her pretty much off jump in the beginning of the season. She didn't deserve some of those things. The catfish comment was way out of line. She did a lot to herself. But this at the end, yes, you did a lot to yourself. You've got some awareness of that. And I do actually feel bad for you. So I am weirdly loosely rooting for her going into the reunion,

mostly for my own viewing pleasure, because if she just completely fumbles the bag again, it's going to be tough to watch. And at a reunion setting, if this is your first reunion, you don't know what's going on. it's going to be a bloodbath if you don't have some sort of plan going into this. So I'm hoping at the very least that she has some sort of plan. It might backfire immediately, but at least have some sort of plan. And as we round up here going through the seasons and everything that's going on, obviously we have Wendy's charges, which we'll hear a lot about at the reunion.

Angel bought a $2 million house in Potomac, which I think is very, very interesting. Tia was not the agent, of course, as we know. But what do you think of her chances of actually coming back for us? Do you think it really hinges on the reunion? Or do you think that either they've seen enough and they don't want her back or they've seen enough and they're going to bring her back? I'm like split down the middle. I think that this trip was so horrible and she's made so many missteps that they might have her back just for like comic relief or something. I don't know.

There's a part that's so mean to say. Right. You know what it is mean to say. But you know how they like, you know, they like somebody who's always kind of messing up, right? True. True, yeah. Like the punching bag of the group. If she doesn't come back, I think it'll be on, it'll be her decision that she just couldn't take it anymore.

And, but then there's a part of me that feels like she wants to come back and she has that hunger to prove herself and prove the viewers wrong. So I'm torn. It's like up in the air. I could see her coming back. I could see her not coming back. What do you think? Yeah. I think, and I feel like I have a weird soft spot for this, but this.

this last episode showed me that like at least see what she has. Now, if the reunion is awful and she just has no idea what she's doing, you can't bring her back. They just really can't. And this is one of those shows where I think they have so much going for them. I mean, you mentioned it in the beginning of the episode. We've got Wendy, we've got Karen, we've got whatever the hell is going to happen with Jiselle, which Jiselle's always going to be there.

But I think her taking a bit of a back seat because Karen's coming back is perfect for her. I mean, she had a great season last year without Karen. And this season, it's like, okay, no, you can't handle this role. So we're not going to be able to do that moving forward, but you don't have to. So that works perfectly for it. With Angel, it's like, I don't know, there's so many people waiting in the wings. We've got an embarrassment of riches when it comes to a show like this. As long as they can get the right storylines, they have so many good people to plug and play

that are going to be captivating. They're going to be polarizing. We're going to understand what's going on. And we're going to want to see more from them that it's almost like you don't need an angel. And for a lot of shows, you bring an angel back because you want to see what she has and at the very least, like you said, we've got a punching bag out there

and we'll see how she handles it. Maybe she'll punch back. That could be fun. But for this, it's like, okay, I feel like you have enough where you don't really need her. So I think it really does all hinge on her reunion performance. And then also don't forget, we have Stacey.

Stacey low-key carried this season on her back. It was the Stacey show for the majority of this season. And then it became more angel, like you said. But I think that with Stacy being here and Karen, And then Wendy in the jail issues and if they keep Monique as a friend of still and or Kiarna, I think that it's like a very well-rounded cast and Tia. So it's like if Angel stays or goes, I think it'll be good either. It'll be fine either way.

Yeah, I fully agree. And there's not really anything else of note from the roundup for everybody's time in the offseason. You know, obviously we've mentioned it before Ashley and Josh, will they, won't they? I don't care. And she's writing a children's book. I really don't care. I don't think she should be writing in children's book. Kay and Greg, still not engaged, didn't get anything else from there.

So I was hoping, weirdly, and maybe not. Actually, I don't want them to be together because Greg seems like a dud. But I was thinking maybe the picture frame that he bought from the store was just like kind of a placeholder. And he really did get a ring from that store. And we're going to find out before the reunion that they're engaged. It doesn't look like that's going to happen. And the rest of them got really much to report, except for Giselle, unfortunately, lost her legal battle with, I'm not even going to call her her stepmom, but the woman that married

her father. And that was really sad to see because it seems like everybody can kind of see exactly what's happening here. That woman just kind of took it, took them to the cleaners, adjusted the will, whatever it may have been, really hoped that Giselle had a fighting chance on that, but it seems like she did not. And everything kind of went by the wayside for that. So I'm really tough. It's really tough to see that one. Yeah, that was sad. I was like, wow. I mean, the judge, must have been biased or something. Did the woman slip the judge some money? Like, that's crazy.

Promised him some money from the will. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. It's tough. That's a tough look. But the episode ends with Karen, getting out of jail, all those reporters out there. It's funny when we look back,

because I remember seeing reports that she had opened the window and thanked everybody for coming out and thank them for their support. We didn't see any of that. We just saw her kind of getting into the car. And she looked visibly shaken. I mean, she was probably really excited to get out of there. But she looks great, though. I will say, it's very interesting.

A lot of times these housewives, when they do go to prison and they come out, they always look so great. And we found out that she got her braids from the other cellmates. They all thought that this was going to be a great moment. We're all taking our extensions out. We're going to put them in you. We're going to give you some braids so that you can walk out of there looking great. That was a great call. And it just shows you what kind of person Karen is.

She's great. Everybody loves Karen. And so I'm so excited for her to come back. What do you make of them doing the one-on-one before the reunion? So we've got the one-on-one coming out Sunday, and then I imagine we'll move on to what will probably be and doesn't have to be a three-part reunion. I'm surprised because I remember being told that this season was going to be 18 episodes.

So the fact that this ended up being the finale on this past Sunday, you could tell it felt very rushed, right? Right. I mean, I guess that's great that we're getting this special with Karen and Andy before the reunion, but I am surprised that we're going to miss other things because they tease in the mid-season trailer that scene with Wendy and Eddie after they got arrested. And they say something like, we're going to get through this or something like that. And they hug and they like start crying.

So are we going to get that at the end of the Karen special? Like, I don't know. I guess I'm just kind of confused as to why they chopped two episodes and short in the season. I mean, overall, I'm excited to see the sit down between Karen and Andy. Yeah, absolutely. I feel the same sentiment because when we end at the end of a trip, something went wrong. Because there's always one more episode of them getting back to their hometowns and kind of tying everything together. So I'm a little confused about that.

I would imagine what we're probably going to get is obviously starting off with Karen. It'll probably be a 54 minute episode. And in the last like six minutes, it'll probably end with, did you see what's going on with Wendy? And then instead of Karen answering the question, we'll probably just move over to Wendy and Eddie. That's what I think's going to happen. But it'll just be like a little bit of a footnote.

Like, okay, this is what they're going through. Let's see how this goes. And then we'll move into the reunion. But it'll be interesting to see because obviously a lot hinges on whether or not Wendy's going to go to jail. if she's still going to be in the legal battle next year, that'll be very interesting. I imagine they're going to want to pick up cameras right away,

but we'll have to see how that plays out because I'm with you. Something always feels off when they end that right then there, and it just seems abrupt. Like, okay, nothing, we're not getting anything from them going home. Okay. Yeah, it was very abrupt. And you could tell that they decided at the last minute to make this the finale. Because when I saw the season recap at the beginning,

I said, why this isn't the finale episode? This is so bizarre. Oh, this is the finale then. Yes, that's strange. It is, it is bizarre. But we'll end up here with some questions from our fans, and then we'll give you some time to talk about your life and what's going on over there.

And I know that a lot of questions are just going to be where the hell have you guys been. Back off, everybody. Leave us alone. Steals doing something very important. So why don't you guys just mind your business? How about that? All right.

from oh my god do you think that angel should come back for a season two or should jazzy replace her um we just kind of talked about that a little bit jazzy could replace her i don't know like you said i don't know if jassy has enough going on like she tries a little bit here and there there might be another suitable replacement but i would imagine with everything going on if they don't bring angel back i don't think anybody's going to get promoted into that role okay all right this is pretty straightforward from Off My Rocker O'3. Why is Giselle such a bully? Oh, I have so many theories and so many thoughts.

We'll be here all day. But no, I think that I think that Giselle, I think she just has a lot of issues. She's just, you know, she's always picking at people. If you appear to be happy, she wants to chip away at your happiness and joy. And it's sad to watch. And I don't like how production,

favors her where they don't show anything that she's going through and they just let her be the bully and the instigator without her showing her life. We don't know much about Giselle. And the 10 years she's been on the show when you think about that, I had no idea that she had siblings. Like just stuff like that where it's like, wait, what?

Like, why are we just now finding out that you have a brother and a sister in season eight? But, yeah. No, that's a really good point. We don't really get a whole lot from Giselle's life. So for her to be nitpicking everybody else's lives and telling them to share more, it does seem very backwards. Okay. From Myra Hellwig, how much of the trip was production issues and versus Angel not planning ahead?

So when Steele and I talked about this last week, we talked about what could have gone into this. And I did think that this was a spur of the moment trip. I don't think this was planned at all. I think what happened was Angel and Bobby left their house and had to make. move back to Colorado and they just quickly picked things up and said, oh, wait, why don't we just do a trip out there? You can showcase Wonderland. You can do all of these things. We'll try to find an Airbnb that's suitable for everybody. So I do think, I don't know if production's to blame, if Angels to blame, or it was just really them getting Delta bad hands. I do think what should

have happened was production should have insisted that Angels stay. Like find another house, rent it for a couple of weeks, at least until we're done filming. It'll give you some more time to find a house. And we'll just continue with what's going on. seems weird that they would just very quickly like, oh, let's just go over to Colorado since you have to go back. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Agreed. I think it's half and half. I think that for the first half of the trip, they sabotaged her with that house. And then I believe that the last half, though, the last 50% is her where that was poor planning on the first, on the last day to do fly fishing when they're leaving. And then to get lost and just a mess. So I think,

Yeah, half and half, half production, half Angel. Yeah, I can definitely live with that one. We'll do two more here from Ms. Ann Thorpe. How can Giselle act like she's the best host when she intentionally tried to make Stacey feel left out in Nevis? That's a really good point. Great point. Listen, I think that Giselle's giving herself way too much credit.

One fabulous trip to Nevis and a yacht ride does not a great host. just make because back in Potomac, we get family fun days with hardly any food, picked over half-eaten Popeyes, maybe two muffets, two stale muffins and croissons, and some warm lemonade. So girl, not too much, not too much. That's a good point. And last one here from Zoe Cudla-Polet. Would you book a trip through Wonderland? Oh, God. We didn't see enough of Wonderland for me to. to actually answer that. I'll tell you that.

Agreed. I would give her, I would give Angel a chance. I would give her another chance. I might give her the Phantom five stars on Yelp. Like, I'll go review it and say, I know you need this. That's probably what I'll do. I don't think I'm going to be booking a trip through Wonderland though. But either way, Brooke, thank you so much for jumping in here. You're better than Steele. I'm tired of looking at them. I don't want to see them, but he'll be back, guys. Don't worry, he'll be back. Now, Brooke, do you have anything going on or anything you want to plug or any events or anything coming up? The floor is yours. Oh, thank you so much, Shooter. It was a pleasure. You all can find me over on YouTube at V. Brooke Ashley. My podcast is on Apple

and Spotify by the same name, The Brooke Ashley. If you want to check me out on Instagram, Twitter, I'm hilarious on Twitter, okay? If you like me on YouTube, you'll like me a lot on Twitter. But yeah, the same name, the Brooke Ashley underscore on Instagram and the Brooke Ashley, the Brooke Ash on Twitter. But yeah, I do have something exciting coming up. I can't say it just yet. But stay tuned. But yeah, again, it was a pleasure shooter. It was a pleasure.

Always great talking to you. Always great talking. Thank you very much for jumping in. Yeah, I'll tell Steele that you give him some regards. Who knows where the hell he is. Who cares? But yeah, so go check her out. She's got, she pretty much follows and does a lot of the same shows that we do, except her opinions are actually correct and ours are very wrong.

But either way, Rob Bros are out of here. Brooke Ashley's out of here. We'll talk to you guys later. The war is over and both sides lost. Kingdoms were reduced to cinders and armies scattered like bones in the dust. Now the survivors claw to what's left of a broken world praying the darkness chooses someone else. tonight, but in the shadow dark, the darkness always wins. This is old school adventuring at its most cruel.

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