Bros & Shows - Paige and Amanda are Team Lindsay?? (Summer House Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

Whats up Bros? we watched Summer House, and this season continues to be very captivating. West and Ciara continue to get cozy with one another as we see a whole different side of Ciara this season. She shares with Craig how the situation with Austen a couple of years ago left her much more guarded than before because she was embarrassed. Craig and Paige have the same conversation for the 10,000th time, and no we still don't have any updates. All we know is they're ok and we love that. Amanda and Kyle are still butting heads but are able to sweep this little spat under the rug so.. Growth? Jesse Soloman wrestles with what the next step in his romantic life is. He wants a serious relationship but at the same time, how married are you? Paige and Amanda drop a bombshell when for the first time ever they are Team Lindsay... All that and more! time stamps: intro (0-4:40) Summer House (4:45) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And yes, I am a bitch. Brov Bros. Good evening, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros, your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell. joined as always by the one and only Guder Mick Shoots. What's up, dude? A little reverse order today. That's the first time I've ever done that.

I know. Wow. It sounds good. Yeah, it felt good. Oh, yeah. That's what I like. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. How was your weekend? My weekend was lovely, actually. I had a very nice weekend. I was dog sitting, so Dev joined me on Friday at my parents' house. We had a lovely dinner. Yep. We hung out, watched some TV.

Good. It was a nice night. Sunday. I went to the Phil's and helped them get their first win of the season. I like to think that that was because of me and my juju. So, yeah, it was a solid weekend. How about yourself? It was a very solid weekend. I had a long weekend last weekend.

So naturally, I decided to try to hunker down this weekend and just relax. You know, not going to too hard. And I didn't. No, you didn't. Nope. I went out Friday night to Buffalo billiards. Nice. Which was, it's always a fun time, but it was very crowded.

March Madness games on. Saturday, I actually do want to make a shout out real quick. There was a bartender. tradesman that was smiling and I went what I can just hear you it probably was a little aggressive well it wasn't even like that honestly I was coming back for the bathroom the people that I was with were like oh yeah this guy wants to say hi to you and I'm like why and I always forget and like what's going on how are you like he was a listener of the show that's awesome so shout out I think his name was John at tradesman uh is it John if you forgot you're a dick I did not go easy this weekend I said I was

going to go with these in the weekend. I'm wasted. John, I hope that's your name, dude. John, I hope that's your name, bro. I mean, look, you might not even be listening to this if you don't watch Summer House, which is what we're going to be talking about today. Nice. Yeah, a little organic plug there. But, yeah, I love an organic plug. Sorry, reach out to us and let me know that I fucked up your name. John from the tradesman. I'm going to reference him a lot now.

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Yeah. That felt organic. That was good. Great job. But as you said, we are talking about Summer House. We just recapped Martha's Vineyard about an hour ago. So if you haven't started watching that show, since more of you watch this show, I'm going to plug that show as well. This seems way better to do than to do it on the Martha's Vineyard video.

We do that a lot. I know. You're not watching this show. You better be fucking watching the show. If they're listening, they're probably watching. I have found that a lot of people listen that don't watch the show, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They love us. They do.

You love it. You love it. We'll feed you, baby birds. Don't you worry about it. But if you're not watching Martha's Vineyard, what are you doing? It's a great show. We haven't steered you wrong yet. All right, we got a lot of people come back in season two of Soho and say, wow, you guys were right.

I went back and binged all of season one. This is one of those shows. They're gearing up for a phenomenal sophomore season. it's a great cast very likable cast they have not been in the game long enough for this shit to be not organic like all the stuff they're doing is genuine they don't know yet to like play the game and set things up behind the scenes and collude with other people like it's all genuine and that's when we love these shows when it's all real so go back watch martha's vineyard join the craze man that was with you until that last sentence joined the craze man

no i don't know where that came from well i got to think of things because we don't have the soundboard because it's not Miami and I can't figure out how to use the fucking thing so yeah but have you like really sat down and tried to do it yeah you know what the problem is honestly I'm not that dumb I need a uh SD card that's it oh that's all only there was a very easy way to order something like that that can probably be at your door within hours that was named after a river or something yeah yeah yeah uh digress but uh let's dive into some summer house and we start out with a dinner very close to my heart.

I was so, so happy to see this dinner set up, except I have one thing I disagree with. Okay. They made country fried steak. It looked awesome. They made mashed potatoes. They had southern green beans. They had all of these amazing things that remind me of Texas. However, country fried steak or chicken fried steak, as I call it, should be paired with a white gravy.

It should be a country gravy, which is the brown gravy. Some people do brown gravy with the country gravy. country fried steak it's still delicious yeah the white gravy with the country fried steak there's just something about that combo it's oh man i'm just thinking about it now i'm about to go to cracker barrel by the way have you been to cracker barrel i mean i've been there yeah i haven't been there since we were in high school hungover going there oh yeah totally but we have one that's you know five minutes away yeah i told dev about it and she wasn't she's never been there so i'm going to take her to cracker barrel because it's sneaky a phenomenal restaurant people that don't

eat there like their biscuits and gravy alone is awesome i get their country fried steak back when i played because i ate a lot of cracker barrel when i played baseball yeah you graduated from golden corral to cracker barrel yeah well high school college golden corral once you get to professional baseball and you're making the big bucks in the minors you go to cracker barrel we go to fancy places i did learn how to beat that um the tea game you know the triangle tea thing oh yeah yeah yeah you know it's like it's a baseball set up did you know that i didn't know that until one of the waitresses in South Carolina showed me how to do it. I was like, oh, so now

it's like a party trick. I'm like, I can do this. Probably can't anymore, but. Party trick? Yeah, dude. It's the lamest party trick I've ever heard. You're lame. What do you do? You just whip it out and you're like, check this out and you've got to set it up with all the little teas. Well, you've got to get lucky and there has to be one there. But then you can impress people and be like, watch this.

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. If it's there. Dick. I was imagining you're like carrying it around with you. No, although I did. You guys want to see a trick? I did have a key chain with this game. sit down and watch that's worse than like showing up with magic tricks but while her at dinner we're talking to jesse a little bit he's had three and a half dates this week with four different girls and uh i want your opinion as a dater um if you bring a girl home and cook for her at home doesn't that constitute more than a date i would say that's more serious than just going

out to a restaurant what's your take uh i'm actually kind of more on board with jett now it's just like a weird idea overall. I don't think that I would have said it's a half a date. I probably would just give it a full date. But, I mean, going out to a restaurant and making reservations and doing all of this and that and whatever, that's like a full date. Early on, you, most, I mean, look, PSA to girls out there, if a guy invites you over to do a first date at your, at his house and he wants to cook for you, it's not like a sweet thing. He's trying to get late. He's trying to get late. Yeah. You go out. You meet people in public first. Like, you do all that. You don't go over to a guy's house for the first time.

But now, I would say as far as, like, a date night goes, like, yeah, it's a little more intimate to cook at home, but an actual date night is out. Okay, there. See, that's why I wanted your opinion. But I have mixed feelings about this. Kyle brings up in front of everybody, because Craig's there, that Jesse was flirting pretty hard with Paige. And Craig had the reaction that I figured he would have.

He was like, she's a pretty girl. Like, I would do the same thing. And that's what I figured it would just brush it off. They've already vibed together. Like, Craig was touching his shirt earlier. Like, they're good. And that's because Jesse's not actually a douchebag. I think I admitted it last week.

I'll admit it again, just to clarify. I know I had a stance after episode one, but that was because he said the comment about dating girls that were taken. I don't think he's a douchebag. I think Jesse's like Shrek. He's an onion. He's got layers.

But the only person to the table that got really, really upset about it was Amanda and I think that this is way deeper than Kyle being an idiot and bringing this to everybody's attention did it was it a good move no was it funny for the show exactly like yeah and also we have waited a very long time the past few years for a cast in summer house to be able to have that conversation at the table without it being world war three yeah like this is finally a crew that everybody pretty much

vibes together obviously you have the outliers of Carl and Lindsay and their shit that brings us down a little bit. But for the most part, this whole crew can laugh and joke and say shit like that and it not be a big deal. So when Amanda reacts the way she reacts, I don't think she was wrong for reacting that way. I just think that there's way more here. And this all goes back to the problems that they're having and figuring out what the

next steps are. I think this is just like another thing to piss her off that reminds her of all of that. Yeah, I think Kyle was just a little drunk and he was probably already annoying her. And then she kind of blew up at that. but I don't think that she needed to do that. I think that the answer was enough and you could have moved on. And look, I think Kyle was just doing it because we'd been talking about it

and he might think it's a funny. He's got that in the back of his head. He's been on the show for how fucking long. He's got in the back of his head that this is a good moment for the TV show. Like, let's just bring it up in front of everybody. Let's just see what happens. Let's light this fucking candlestick. Sure.

Go for it. Whatever. I like that. I love that term, by the way. Yeah. Let's light this fucking candlestick. Like, we're just going to let this go and that's fine. And they handled it pretty quickly.

I mean, Jesse didn't get awkward. He laughed about it. Craig didn't get awkward about it. Page didn't seem to really get awkward about it. So nobody was really awkward about it. You could have just let it go. Amanda getting pissed off at Kyle for doing that. In a nutshell is like, all right, Amanda, like, come on.

Let's like settle down. Everybody handled it well. It's something that we've all been talking about pretty much since the first day that we got here. We brought it up to Craig, and now Craig's fine with it. We're good. We can move on. Kyle might feel some type of way because it didn't blow up and it kind of blew up in his face. everybody's like Kyle what the fuck what the fuck dude leave it at that that's probably good enough

but I think you're right I think it's a deeper rooted issue with Amanda and Kyle and again I think that he was a little lit and Amanda was probably annoyed with him already so it just blew up but it didn't this is the funny thing they tease this fight after like the first episode with like the coming this season from summer house and it was over yeah like Amanda blew up she got pissed off he got mad back at her because he didn't understand why she was mad and then they were pretty much done with it which is fine but that's also a testament that they've come a long way for it to be swept under the rug the next day. But I

look, you can feel a certain way about Amanda's reaction. Like I said, if it's deeper rooted than that, it's hard to control your emotion. So I don't really falter for overreacting a little bit. Like, that's her prerogative. I don't think that Kyle handled it well at all. Like, if he

had said once, just once, like, what's your problem? Yeah. But she's not responding, so he does the thing where you can clearly tell he's agitated. He's like, will you relax. And I was like, ooh, that's when I think it tipped the scale. That's when I think Amanda's like, fuck this. Like, how do you handle it a little bit better in the aftermath and been like, yeah, yeah, I know. Like, but I just wanted, if he had said to the whole table right there,

I just wanted to do this, like, rip the fucking band-aid off. I'm sorry. But like, let's just fucking do this. We're all talking about it. Let's talk about it. I don't think he responded as well as he should have. And that's what kind of said Amanda over the edge. So I don't blame her. I don't blame him. I think they're both kind of just pushing each other's buttons. I think that's what we're seeing. I think that's pretty much what we're saying, yeah. And again, I'm not crazy about Kyle's reaction back to that. Like, just admit the fact that you made a dumb move to Amanda, to your wife about that, sure.

But, you know, don't blow up at her because she's pissed off that you did something dumb. Right. I don't think it both can be true. You're right. You're right. But Kyle and Jesse have like a conversation afterwards. It's just them in the kitchen. And this is where I'm like, Kyle, dude, come on.

Because he's like, why did Amanda react like that? And Jesse is the voice, he's like, come on, bro. That's all he says, come on, bro. You're like, look, I still love you, but, like, that was outrageous. Yeah. You had to know that wasn't going to go great, but I still love you. And that's why this cast is awesome. That's why Jesse and West are going to go down as two of the best newbies to come to a show

because of their ability to blend in and because of their ability to react correctly. They keep a cool head when she doesn't go their way. Or Jesse could have had every opportunity to be like, dude, like, don't do that. slow up at Kyle, get mad at Kyle and do that. He just decides to keep the piece, keep it going. Now, it's really funny because Kyle just wanted to throw this out there and just see what happened, see if it makes for good TV, whatever, rip the Band-Aid off, make sure the crew can move on, whatever his actual motive was.

And now it turns back to Jesse's not pissed off, but he's disappointed. Your wife's mad at you. Craig feels a little weird, but he's not going to show anybody. Page is upstairs laughing about it. Nobody is actually affected by any of this really gives a show. shit, but now you're sitting there like, God damn it. Like, that really just came right back at me. It all came back in your face.

But that's credit to Paige, and she's always been like this. And it's one of the reasons why I like her on the show so much. She's never in a position where she's, like, overreacting or she takes everything in stride, and she's able to break it down pragmatically and just move on from it. She's not the end of the world. She is so comfortable where her and Craig are in their relationship that this is a non-issue to them. And that's how Craig is, too. Like, this didn't have to be a thing, but I'm glad it became a thing because this was, like, a funny moment.

Like you said, just watching Kyle, like, fuck, that didn't go well. Yeah. But there's a funny, quick scene in between here. And West is talking to Sierra up in the room. He's like, man, like, I missed on my first outfit. That sucks. She's like, what do you mean? He's like, red's not really my color.

And she brought up an interesting point. And I had to look inward because I don't wear a lot of red. Neither do I. He says, red's not my color. And she goes, it's not a lot of white people's color. she's right she is right she's right i can't pull off a lot of red i don't even try i yeah i don't even try especially in the summer because it's hot out yeah you go outside like yeah you might have a tan but honestly it's you know a little red in there yeah and then especially if i start

drinking my face gets a little red or i'm laughing a lot my face is red then i've got a red shirt on it highlights everything and shirt yeah but i never put two and do it together she said i was like yeah yeah it's not really white people's color especially with west because west is, like, giggling a bit. And he's red. He gets red. Yeah. So, yeah.

Or God forbid, they go out to dinner in the city again, and it's really hot, and he starts sweating. Right. I had to think about, like, good look. What red clothing do I own, and do I want to own it anymore? Philly stuff. That's it. But even my Philly stuff. I go maroon.

Yeah. I don't go straight up red. I'm going a different route, though, because everybody's got the maroon now and the light blue and they're going with all that. Same with the Eagles, Kelly Green. Okay. I'm going back to the basics. You're going red?

I'm going red and I'm going straight What do they call? Midnight Green for the Eagles I hate Midnight Green I can't do it I know but like everybody has the fucking Kelly Green now so I have to change That's why I go for like the interesting Logos Like I never wear a current logo

I always try to find the vintage ones But I like the colors That like I love the powder blue for the Phillies You know we should do We should get those jerseys from the 75th Phillies Cozy boys Oh dude we have to talk about that.

Can we just take a little segue here and talk about the cozy boys? All right. So we found out that the Phillies for a very brief period of time were called the Philadelphia Cozy Boys and they wore sweaters. They were like cardigans. They were the swaggerest sweaters ever. So fucking sick. It must have been like the late 1800s or early 1900s.

Yeah. So they were the Philadelphia Cozy Boys. I don't know where that went. Why did we change? I don't know. But somebody needs to start making that gear right now. We need cozy boy attire. Yeah, please do.

Maybe that can be our brand. Cozy Boys. And it's loungeware for men. Don't you steal this fucking idea. Yeah, I know we put a lot of ideas out there. We've got a whole t-shirt list out there. Yeah, we got a lot of T-shirts that could be branded. This one rises to the top.

Cozy Boys LLC. Doink. I'm in. Yeah, me too. But back to the show. We get Kyle and Amanda in the aftermath of everything. But back to the show, we have a night out. It's Christmas in July.

I've never been a big Christmas and July party guy. Oh, I love about you. Yeah. Why? I don't know. Something about it. It's something different because I feel like the, I mean, the summer's great and, you know, you're doing stuff every weekend, but it gives you something to look forward to. Obviously, July 4th is great, but doing something that's usually in the winter in the summer when it's nice and warm out.

It just feels fun. Okay. I'm into it. All right, fine. It's not my favorite thing, but whatever. We see Jesse talking to a woman. And the funniest part to me was they did not blur her face. They tried to.

Yeah, I know. You could clearly see her face. And I don't know if they're trying to fuck her life up because Jesse goes, well, how married are you? Because she wants to come back to the house for the after party. How married are you? Half a blurred face. I'm like, ew. Yeah.

That's tough. You're going, this is going to come back. But also, when that hit, especially on the heels of Jesse talking about once again, you know, I just have to find. the right girl. I want to be able to settle down and do this and that and whatever. And we're finally like, we're moving away from the whole page of it all. He's not going after taking girls and then of course the first night they go out. He goes, how

married are you? Which can be taken as do you still want to hook up? Or it's are you straight up married and, you know, I need to know what's going on here before we start talking. What's the situation? He's still got her number and he was still texting her later so it's like, eh, Jesse, you changed a lot or no?

His reaction later. We'll wait to get there. But I will talk about it later. But while this is going on, Kyle takes it upon himself to have a conversation with Lindsay. To Kyle's credit, because he is friends with both Lindsay and Carl, obviously, his relationship with Lindsay, is contentious. It always has been, always will be. That's just how it is with those two. But he wants to be able to at least see her point of view. And as they're talking, Kyle brings up what I think is exactly what's happening. And I think it's on both sides. And I think that Lindsay doesn't want to admit it.

I think Carl doesn't want to admit it either. But he says that he's got such tunnel vision on this wedding that he needs to see it through. Regardless of what the situation is, where your relationship stands, he's at a point now where it's almost proving a point to everybody. I think that she's in the same boat. I think that they're trying to prove to everyone that this is meant to be. They are supposed to get married. They're going to push through to the finish line just to prove it to everybody and not Vindexam. indicate Danielle from last season, not show

everybody that, yeah, you're right in saying that we're fighting too much, all these things. I think they're both so dead set on it that they're going to do it no matter what. Except they don't. Except they don't. Thank God. But I mean, that's what they were doing the entire summer last year. They were just trying to

prove to everybody, hey, we're in a very serious relationship. Yeah. This isn't just you know, Lindsay moving on from what's his nuts. Alex, no, who the fucks make the sandwich for? Stavi? Yeah, yeah, that guy. This isn't just, I don't know how you remember that, and I didn't.

Because all I think about is that movie with Johnny Knoxville from way back, and there was a guy named Stavi in it, and that, like, I remembered that. Your brain is a very curious thing. I can't remember where I put my shoes, but, yeah, Stavvy. Remember that one? Anyway, yeah, Lindsay, moving on from that, like, this isn't just a rebound thing. This isn't just, like, us trying to be comfortable with each other. Like, oh, yeah, we're friends.

We should just hang out, and, like, maybe we start dating. Like, they were trying to prove everybody wrong all, last summer, even though they were fighting and bringing the entire house down, now you're throwing marriage into it all. And obviously, it's very quick, and we'll talk about that a little bit later when Jesse brings that up. But here we are, you guys are doing the exact same shit. And you are admittedly talking about how Friday nights have been terrible for you because

they end terribly. Carl is back in New York right now because he's avoiding a Friday night. That's not how you fix things. You don't just avoid them. You fix them. That's how you fix it. so him doing that and everybody knows what's going on it's the elephant in the room this is what they're doing they're just trying to prove to everybody in the house and i don't

know if lindsay's really on board with that as much anymore but carl certainly is just trying to prove to everybody hey no we're going to go through with this like i will do anything of my power to make sure that she's okay and i'll take any concession that i absolutely can to make sure that we can push through with us yeah and i think on paper it's much easier to say that he should have showed up on friday and should have tried to fix us and this and that and blah blah blah where they're at in their relationship right now and how they're communicating with one another, that was impossible. So I'm firmly under the belief that he made the right decision.

Oh, I think he made the right decision. It's just with the marriage looming, your fucking wedding is a couple of months away, and you're doing this still? It's like, eh, that should be a big red flag where you look in the mirror. But again, they're so blinded by this, let's get to the finish line. And, you know, it was interesting that people in the comments were talking about, like, oh, he should have been there, like the fact that he took it out. Then we saw the after show with West and Jesse, and they said, like, it's kind of weird that you wouldn't show up on Friday night to try to fix it.

But again, I agree with the move because it breaks the cycle. And Carl's doing what he was taught to do is try to fix things a certain way and go about it the right way. So I don't fault him for that at all. But as I start to break it down, her big issue with him is that when she drinks and she claims that after I've had one drink, he asked me like, how many drinks have you had? Are you drunk? This and that. I firmly don't believe that that happens and that could be wrong and there's people out there saying like we don't know Lindsay's side of the story and it's like I don't really have to honestly from what I'm seeing this summer I really don't give a shit what Lindsay's side is because I do I think that Carl's entirely blameless no there's always two sides of every story maybe didn't handle certain things the right way however what I'm watching right now is not a Carl problem and for her to say after I've had one drink blah blah blah it's like well we watch you drink, Lindsay. I have yet to see you have a night where it's one drink and you're

mellow. Every time you're drinking, it gets ramped up and ramped up. The one night that you had a good night with Carl, where you guys went camping outside and all that, you were so drunk you didn't remember the night. And it was still a fun night. I'm not saying that it went poorly, but again, I haven't seen that. So I'm going to go off of evidence that I have to deduct what I think is going on in this relationship. And the worst thing she could possibly do in this moment is be like, well, if he's going to challenge me on what I'm doing, I'm going to make sure that if he's not perfect, I'm going to call him

out. And I'm not the one with a problem. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not the one with the problems. The one that resonated most with me. And she's trying to spin it to look at, and this is, obviously, this is what her mindset is during all of this. She is thinking, as soon as I

start drinking Carl is a problem with me. Again, that could just be you guys not communicating at all and not talking about this. And you get on easy when you start drinking and you're around Carl. But from what we've seen, from what's been filmed this summer, you start these fights with Carl. Yep.

And I don't think that it's just, maybe you're walking in and you're anxious because you started drinking and you feel like he's judging you for that. So you're starting something with him. But don't spin it and say you're not doing anything. And then Carl's getting upset and then you're retaliating that way. Because again, you still haven't addressed the biggest issue. What you said to him that first weekend was deplorable. You haven't addressed that the Carl

You haven't addressed it to the rest of the house The rest of the house knows what you said They've all had side discussions about what you've said And how it impacts Carl And how shitty it is You're not doing that You're just trying to make excuses and say I'm the real victim here

That's problematic It's very problematic And to use the term I'm not the one with a problem This one hit me really hard Because that implies that you're better then And I think a lot of people don't know that And again, for people that haven't been through it, it's hard to understand the ins and outs of it.

And I can appreciate that to a certain extent. But at the same time, when it's phrased that way, it's speaking as though because we are addicts or alcoholics or in recovery, that we are lesser than normal people. And that comes with the stigma of what addiction is. And that really sucks to hear from somebody that's going through recovery. And I hope and pray that I will be sober for the rest of my life. But when you hear certain things like that, it's already. going on in your head okay like when i go out and you guys are all drinking having fun doing your thing which i have no issue with it all but there are moments where i'm like i wonder if people

look at me a certain way and it's hard to kind of shake that i don't know if i ever will because it doesn't happen a lot but every once in all i get that feeling but when you hear people say certain things like this and this is just the PSA for everybody out there when you say things like i'm not the one with the problem and you're like proving a point like that it makes it seem like we are lesser than you because we have a problem. Yeah. Rather than we've worked our ass off to be in a place where we can be comfortable around you and continue our lives and get back on our two feet and move forward,

please don't say shit like that. Don't act like you're better than us. Like it's hard enough out here. And I thank God, like, you know, shooter, everybody around me has never made me feel any type of way other than supported it and like I'm everybody else. But if you think that I don't have moments where I'm thinking about it, it's incorrect. So I didn't want to get amped up with this one because I have a feeling this is going to be all season watching this stuff and I can't afford to get angry every time I hear or say some stupid shit. So instead I'm going to take an education approach for everybody out there.

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We get another scene with Kyle and Jesse. And this is afterwards where they're back at the house. You know, they left the bar. And Kyle's like, dude, I just wanted to put the paid shit to bet. Like, I just wanted to get it out there in front of everybody. Like, it's not a big deal. And Jesse's still like, I don't know, bro. It's all good.

They started talking about the married chick, though. And this was a big moment. for Jesse Solomon. Yeah. Because this is a moment of self-reflection from a guy that's struggling

on what his next steps are. He wants to be in a relationship. He wants to have a connection with one person and he even says, this is not the right way to go about it,

but you can tell he's conflicted because he still wants to fuck. Yeah. But he knows it's not the right thing to do. So, you know, Kyle says to him,

like, I'm not judging you, bro. Like, don't worry. But it is this interesting, like, Jesse's an interesting guy. Yeah. He brings a completely different thing.

dynamic to the house than anyone else there and him going out and obviously west and sierra we support them because they're adorable together they are but jesse now being the lone wolf walking around get now they're going out and he's meeting other people and obviously you're doing the whole you know part of the summer house crew you know them like we're going to have a party tomorrow you want to come over and you do the whole thing and of course he's talking to a married chick right after doing this whole thing with us yeah we've seen everything that you're going through there's a conflict of interest you don't really know what you want to do you don't want to be that guy but at the same time you know you're flirting with a hot girl and you know that's on her

whatever the way you want to look at it he's sitting there and we're really going through it with jesse watching him work through yeah i can bring my entire group of friends here or i can come by myself he's like fuck yeah what the hell can you just bring your friends and i'll bang one of the single ones yeah like we'll just go around that route and we'll see what happens there like i don't really want to do any of this but it he does bring such an interesting dynamic to the crew and getting to see what he's doing in his own world and his personal world is very interesting. But I need to

know more about this girl. Like, she sees the camera. She sees the camera. I don't know really how that works because obviously when they go out it's kind of like a group shot. So I don't think there's like NDAs being signs, but she was blurred. She was blurred. Blurred. Yeah, not really.

Her face was very clear. Her husband saw this. Yeah. I don't think her husband watches unless he listens our show. You're telling me that nobody saw this show went, holy shit, that's Rick's wife. Yeah, I don't know. I swear to God, dude. Like, I need to know more. That's the shit I get stuck on. Yeah, Rick is out

here. He's like, wait a minute. That's my wife. Oh, God. They were having a real discussion right now. He had a tough. Yeah, very tough couple of days for Rick. Sorry, Rick. We're on your team, dude. But the next morning, we get a wake up with West and Sierra in the same bed.

cute as shit and then we get jesse to come in and this is why like because usually i'm on your side where when you get a house that's all paired up it's boring because you don't get to have the fun this whole cast mixes it up so well that i haven't had that moment yet where i'm like fuck i mean that was my number one fear when i saw the west and sierra started hooking up or at least like going on the first episode yeah and i liked both of them separately so i wasn't sure how i was going to feel about the two of them together because we've seen sierra with other duds in the house shout out luke shout out austin yeah and now we've got west who we've really love i just didn't want to bring down what we've seen from west and we haven't if anything we've

seen more from west he seems happier he's very in tune with everything going on he's jumping around obviously we get to see him uh in a little go-cart thing a little bit later but uh it nothing has really been affected everybody else is supportive of it nobody's talking about it behind their backs all the conversations are very light and airy and that's what we need and we get Jesse just jumping into bed with them. He's the single guy. Yeah, I'm going to hop in here. I'm going to hang out with my boy in Sierra.

Like, yeah, this is fun. That's good because everybody likes each other right now. And again, Carl and Lindsay have their own shit going on, but it doesn't really seem to be bringing down everybody else, which is such a stark difference from last year. Oh, yeah. So, so different. But they face time, Carl, and they're just asking,

where are you when are you going to be here? He's like 45 minutes out. Lindsay's in the room. Lindsay leaves. yeah Lindsay leaves mid face time with her fiance because she had a great time last night without him so now she bounces out of the room God here comes the danger it was interesting too

because like I wrote it down immediately I was like that's weird I wonder if they think it's weird and immediately when she leaves all three of them are like that was weird yeah I was like okay cool I'm not crazy that was a fucked up move it's very weird but this I didn't see coming and I'm really curious to see how this will grow throughout the season if we're going to see a shift in this as the season

plays out. I wonder if the shift happened after the season now that they're watching everything back because not everybody's privy to every conversation and I forget that. It's easy to forget that the scenes that we see a lot of times the cast members don't see this shit until they watch the

episode pretty much the same day that we do. They might get a screener like a week before but for the most part they're watching it in real time with us. So like if they're not involved in a scene, they don't know that people are talking shit. So I'm very curious as like when the shift happened

because I do believe that they're on Carl's side now. But in this scene you get Paige and Amanda and Craig Paige and Amanda feel bad for Lindsay. Yeah. And they're blaming Carl for the lack of sex and the relationship. That's what the root of this conversation is. And again as we're watching it at home

it's very clear why they're not having sex. Like even if you take away who's to blame here, take that out of the equation entirely. If a couple is fighting like this, period, regardless of whose fault it is, they're not going to be having sex. They can't communicate. You're not going to get intimate if you hate each other. And again, that's not placing blame on either side.

If a relationship is in this state, months before you're getting married about to make the biggest decision of your life, yeah, you're probably not blinking because you don't want to be around each other. Yeah, I think this is just the moment. Maybe it's just a momentary thing. I really don't understand it. but Amanda and Page feeling bad for Lindsay is very weird in itself. Bizarre. They've never, ever. But I think some of it was almost like, obviously it's like the shock value of it.

And I don't think they were putting two and two together comparing the whole relationship to their sex life and how the two go hand in hand or anything like that. I think they were like completely taken back and they don't really know how to feel because they just heard this from somebody else. And they're, they know the state of the relationship is very bad. It's very rocky, all over the place, on both sides. So maybe they're just doing some sort of, you know, a girl-coded thing, like, maybe. Yeah, let's talk to her a little bit more because she just kind of dropped that bomb on us. And she didn't really seem to be upset about it, which I think is probably the most confusing part.

It's not like Lindsay went into them and started talking about their sex life and was pissed about it or crying about it or anything like that. She was, like, stoic. Yeah. It was really weird. So I think that Amanda Page don't know how to feel about that. they feel bad for Lindsay and they want to talk to her a little bit more. But I think that it's really confusing for them because they're like, what the fuck's going on here? Yeah, but I think it mirrors exactly what happened when the news dropped last year.

Yeah. And Lindsay came out and said this was blindsiding and it was a bombshell out of nowhere and Carl called off the engagement. He's a piece of shit. And so many people blindly rallied behind Lindsay without knowing the full story. I think we're seeing that happening in real time. I think they don't know everything that's going on. They're taking it at somewhat face value, understanding that they're also fighting, but listening to Lindsay's side of things. And, you know, they equated to him being unmotivated.

And I think that if there's something you can fault Carl for, like, yeah, sure. If she's getting frustrated because he isn't getting a job, he's kind of treading water, whatever, all right, fine. That's a reason that somebody could get flustered with a significant other, sure. But this, to me, 100% feels like preseason. everybody was talking shit without all the information and I think that as we see the season play out we're going to see a shift in what they think I hope we see a shift in what they think

I'm fairly confident now that it's very different they don't have the same feelings about this whole situation but it's going to be an interesting watch that's what I'm going to pay attention to the most I think is watching that crew Paige and Amanda who have never once been Team Lindsay ever I'm very curious to watch how that's going to shake

out and when they're going to shift, if they're going to shift, why they shifted, what's going to be the big pivotal moment where they kind of see through this and go, oh, shit, this is way deeper than we thought it was. It's not just about sex. Yeah, and I think it's just, obviously, it's us watching these episodes and over-analyzing everything because that's what we do. It's our job. Yeah.

Them in real time, obviously, they don't have the benefit of hindsight, knowing that they eventually do break up like we do. So we're watching it from a completely different lens. They're almost like, oh, shit, like they're going to go through with this marriage. it's not going well. We need to try to figure out at least what we can do. And Lindsay gave us that information. So let's try to sit down with Lindsay and break through it.

Because we want them to maybe, even if you don't like Lindsay, even if you hate, you know, Carl, you hate the entire relationship, whatever. If you're going to live with these two people in a house for the entire summer and you're going to see them every weekend. You want them to be good because the rest of the house is going to get brought down if they're not. Yeah. So let's try to do what we can to help out. We'll do some girl stuff. Let's sit down and we'll talk to Lindsay. about it and we'll do all this and that and i know page says something a little bit later that

identifies with quote unquote team lindsay but i don't think it's really that at all i think it's just they want the relationship to work and they know the the wedding is so close they're gonna try to help lindsay through it because lindsay's not getting help from anybody else it looks like yeah that's an interesting angle i i i think you're on to something there i just i it's gonna play out like we're gonna see it happen we'll see how it happens but but i'm curious to see how it happens but Carl gets there and it does seem like the cycle is broken. Him and Lindsay are like actually happy to see each other despite her bailing on the FaceTime.

But we get Craig and Sierra and they're driving and you'll get some booze for the party and they're talking about page. And, you know, where they stand now, it's a bunch of the same shit that we don't need to go over again. But Craig says it's fun to see you like giggling and happy and doing that with the dude. And she's like, yeah, honestly, it's a lot of fun. and she brings up something that I really hadn't thought about

and it was kind of tough to hear and I feel really bad for her she's like you know because of the whole Austin situation and how embarrassing that was for me watching and again we get a flashback anybody out there that thinks that Lindsay is in any way redeemable for what she's doing now

this has always been her this is not a Carl problem and for the people out there that they're saying well Carl knew what he was getting into to a certain extent I guess But at the same time, she was sober all of last year, and they had that connection together and were seemingly working better together than they are now. If she wants to drink, that's her prerogative.

But clearly, it's not benefiting this relationship. Maybe they just needed to go their separate ways. But this has been her because she caused all of that shit with Austin and Sierra. And we flashed back, and I was like, oh, my God, how did I forget about this? That was so fucked up and gross to watch. Like, we knew Sierra was into Austin. Austin was peak fuck boy that summer. That was his worst summer ever, admittedly from him.

He said this in confessionals. He's like, yeah, I was really, really out of place there. So to flash back to that moment and then realize that Sierra, she's like, what people don't get is when this shit happens on TV, that was two years ago. It sticks with me. I still go out in public and people call me an idiot. People call me dumb. Things that I'm thinking about myself are being reiterated to me, which makes me feel about EA big, which that really sucks.

Yeah. And it also sucks to hear Craig say, yeah. I would have let you know, but like I didn't really know you that well back then. And I'm like, yeah. Like, I get what you're saying. And, you know, Austin's your boy and you were definitely trying to like be a wingman.

Just don't say that. Yeah, probably keep that one to yourself. I mean, that's what you're going to get with Craig. Craig's going to tell you what he's thinking. Yeah, it's just kind of was like, oh, you could have saved and he didn't. But I also love that now because Craig has, obviously, he's closer to Page's friends and Page and Sierra are really close. So I like that we get this interesting, like, duo going to get booze or just driving anywhere, really,

because you get a weird conversation that you wouldn't get otherwise. And that brings it to a different level. And obviously, you bring the Austin of it all in there. Craig knows. Austin. Craig knows everything about that. He's been around this crew a lot. He knows Lindsay.

He knows all of that. So I think we're getting, and we talked about this last week and the week before with West and where Sierra is maybe, you know, it could be coupling with the fact that she's been on the show for a couple of years. and she's a little happier now. She's a little stronger in her role on the show, whatever it might be. She's sharing so much more, and it seems like every time that she sits down

and starts talking about her personal experience, she hits the nail on the head. She's great this season here. It's really articulate. It really makes a lot of sense. It resonates with us, and we understand a little bit better. And now moving forward when something happens to Sierra,

instead of being like, oh, yeah, I have no idea how that makes her feel. I have no idea what happens in the back, you know, off camera, whatever might be happening, when something goes down with Sierra because we don't know enough about her. We're learning a lot more about her. So now we're going to feel and we're going to be emotionally invested in her.

So the more that she shares, especially when it's as good as this, we're going to feel bad for you if something bad happens. Or we're going to feel really happy for you when something really good happens. So that's what we want to see. So whatever happens, it's pushed her forward and made her such a better, more intricate role on this show. And that's what we needed. And I feel like, again, it goes back to West and Jesse coming into the house.

it brings everybody together yeah this is a good cast don't fuck it up yeah please please leave it just leave it along yeah well i guess you're gonna have to make some decisions next season there's some decisions with linds carl but everybody else don't touch everybody else yeah leave them bring them back we've been waiting for this for years now yeah don't mess it up we get to race day which was god this was a cool fucking party yeah like i wish i could have been at this party man it looked like so much fun they got like go cards they got they got they got bikes to race around this little thing and I

fucking love. This is look, Sierra is crucial to this season and I love that she comes downstairs wearing a wacky, waving, inflatable, arm, flailing tube man costume. She was literally, she was legitimately Lindsay Lohan and Mean Girls. Yeah. Showing up as

the bride of Frankenstein when everybody else is wearing just like hot slutty outfits. Yeah. She comes down on the wacky inflatable flowing arms tube man. Hilarious. It was awesome. I was like, fuck yeah. That's the bet you win the costume everyone else is like how hot can i look even the dudes how hot can i look but that's the best part about sierra is like then halfway through the party she takes it off and she looks better than everybody there she's a fucking model yeah but she doesn't have to she walks like

i loved that i thought that was so cool but we get page and amanda and they're talking about kyle and amanda's relationship and she's like how are you guys today and she's like you know we're fine it just it just irritated me and i think what this scene is indicative of is just she's reaching a limit with her frustration so any little thing sets her off from Kyle because of this this barrier between the two of them when it comes to communicating and i don't know what's going to shift that i don't know what's going to help them break through this but there is a constant theme here where they're not seeing eye to eye they are unable to connect on that level so little things are causing big things and i think it's a lot of little ship built up where

to her credit we know what she wants we're very aware she wants to have a place in jersey she's ready to take that next step in their life as a family this and that we know where kyle is he is very very hyper focused on lover boy he's trying to set himself and amanda and their family up so they don't have to worry about anything in the future yeah while that is commendable there is a certain point where and i'm on i'm on amanda's side here where you have to shift a little bit to meet her halfway. She's made her needs very apparent. This is what I need. This is what I want. It is your job to find a middle ground, not tread water, and stay in the same place. Because that's what seems to happen. They bring it up. Nothing changes. They get another fight. They bring it up. Nothing

changes. Get another fight. Something has to give. And I don't think it's from Amanda's side. You can be frustrated that she's not putting in the hours that you want her to. You can be frustrated that whatever. But at the same time, you know what she wants. So what is the middle ground there? How do you take a step forward and help her out so that she can continue to put up with your shit? I love Kyle Cook. I think he's hysterical.

I think he's a genuinely good dude. I think he puts his foot in his mouth sometimes, but I think his heart's in the right place. This is a moment where he needs to step up and make a decision for them. And I think that would go so far not just with their relationship, but also solidifying it amongst the other cast members. Because I don't love that their relationship is constantly talk about. I get it. I get why the other cast members have questions sometimes and are worried about Amanda and the relationship overall.

But they're at a point now where they've been together for so long. They've been married for what, two, three years now? Yeah, too. I don't want them to always be a question mark. Like, I want to know what the future holds. And I think that it's apparent what they need to do. Yeah, it definitely is. And I also feel like it just kind of takes away from the show too,

which, I mean, we've been doing this for so goddamn long. They just get married. every time that they take another step it's like all right we're still yeah we can point out the different arguments that they have that seem to end a little quicker yeah like all right we've changed a little bit kind of to an extent

but we're just doing the same old song and dance over and over with the two of them the house is in a much better order when they're vibed and they know what each other want and they're good or maybe they're not having to make big decisions maybe that's really what it is well they're the head of the house they are the head of the house they get the best room every year they know that that's what they do fine

but I don't want to do this every single year where we have to sit down and all of a sudden it's Paige and Amanda are talking and we have to figure out what Kyle's doing because we talked about it last year Kyle wasn't really doing much and Amanda was still annoyed with him she's just going to be annoyed with him

here and there whatever she chose that that's your husband you're going to have to feel and to figure it out but we do see them for their individuality and we can look at them and be like I want them to be good I do yeah so I want them to figure it out and I'm tired of seeing them not communicate

because it's taking away from the goddamn show. But this is something that they need to work on, and whether that means they go to couples therapy or whatever the hell they're going to do, figure it out for our sake, please. Please. Because we like when you guys are good. Yeah. And we like you guys. We just want you to do do good because we root for you. But Paige starts talking about the apartment and the fact that Craig offered to pay a little bit extra to maybe get a cooler spot in the city because I'm sure 12 grand instead of nine probably gets you two bedrooms instead of one. Sure. But I honestly, I respect Paige's answer so much.

And then she tells a story about, you know, I was with a guy and we were out in L.A. And I wanted to leave later. He wanted to leave early. And he said, when you buy the plane tickets, you can decide when we leave. And then she said, I never wanted to have that feeling again where she wasn't in control of what she was able to do. She's like, I always want to stand in my own two feet, pay my own way, do my thing. If I want to go somewhere, I want to be able to go somewhere. Even if I'm in a relationship, even if I'm married, I'm.

I want to have my own bank account. So if I want to buy things, I can buy things. I never want to be in a position where somebody can leverage money over me. Yeah. And I get that. And that's totally commendable. It's respectable. Respectable, yep.

Why does that sound like not a word right now? It is a word. Have we been doing this for too long today? Yeah. We've got to the point where words don't sound like words anymore. But it's very respectable. I get it. And that makes total sense to me.

And I think, you know, there is a part of it from Craig's point of view where it would solidify the relationship a bit more just because he's investing in where they're living together. I get that. But at the same time, like, they're not married. And if she wants to do this on her own, I really, really respect her being independent and not wanting to do that. Yeah. And I don't think this really speaks on their relationship with the current state or anything like that. I think it's just Paige is going to have her values and she's not going to sacrifice her values for really anything. I mean, she decided that a long time ago. Obviously, her and Craig are in a good place. They're taking it slow by their own words, fine, whatever, but it's not like she's putting money into his house

down in South Carolina. So why would they, why would Craig want to return the favor? And I think there is something to say about Craig wanting to be emotionally, wanting to be fiscally responsible or tie his money in with hers or something that she's doing because then it does solidify where they are. If he's still doing that at this point, and we've had this goddamn conversation 75 times across two different shows, then that's a problem. If he's just doing it because, look, I'm going to be spending 50% of the time up there, and I

feel like I need to contribute in some way, shape, or form, and yeah, it would also be cool to have a nicer apartment up there instead of coming up there and just, you know, living in a studio apartment, fine, that's good. Have that conversation with Paige, which he does a little bit later. That's all well and good. I don't really care. I just like to see

that page is, you know, sticking in her values. I do too. She wants to stay where she is and where she's comfortable. And yeah, you know, if you get married, do you get engaged down the road? Sure, you start sharing things financially. Go for it. I don't really care. But for now, yeah, stick to your values.

And the funniest part is you can tell that they're over talking about it and that producers are still pushing them to talk about it because Craig is now answering with, I don't know. Like, what do you think? I don't know. And we had him on the show and he voiced this to us. He's like, you know, it gets to a point where it's like, why do we have to continue to talk about this?

Yeah. And then we get to a point where we go, why do we have to continue to talk about us? Yeah. Like, they're cool. Leave them alone. When they make a move, you'll dive in. You'll be the first to know.

Yeah, we'll find out. But for the time being, stop fucking... At this point, they're filming together for like eight months out of the year, so there's a four-month window there where they might do something

that you guys don't know about, but chances are, we're going to find out. Yeah, just drop it. But... Goodbye. Summer movies, Hello, Fall. I'm Anthony Devaney.

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I know. What's that movie? He's a bleeder. He's a bleeder. What is that from? Fucking Roadhouse. Yeah. That's from Roadhouse.

Yeah. You know what your problem is? You're a bleeder. You bleed too much. Oh, God. I need to go back and watch. That's a great one. Did you watch the new one?

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try to make it the same universe-ish, just like the same vibe. It's, it's, if you're hung over on a Sunday and you order your, your shitty food and do your thing, your Sunday thing and you text me mean thing because you're, you know what I do on Sundays when I'm hungover now? I don't text you mean things. I just, I don't text you. If I text you, this is what happens because I don't text me multiple times on a Sunday and just goes, you good? Yeah, I want to make sure you're okay. One, and two, it's like. But then if I say yes, you're going to be like, all right, why is such a short answer? Yeah, because I like to fuck with you. But like, this is the initial response from a hungover Magouter. Yo, man, I'll bring up something that we have to do that week or something, but I'll just start it out with it. Yo, what do you

want is the response every time? What do you want? that. I haven't done that. I haven't done it. Anyway, no, what I'm watching... You're justulating me. What I'm watching on Sundays now, when I'm hung over, is I told you, I'm going back and watching Roney. Oh, yeah, I know.

I watch more. I think I'm almost done season seven. I don't have to check. Holla. But back to the... I don't want to do that anymore. I got yelled out, no. You did?

Yeah. Why? No, I just, because I do it every episode. You know who's asking a lot of questions about it? Lose. Lose. Yeah. Loz, let me just...

Hey, come to a show and I'll tell you. in person. Until you come to one of our shows, because you have no showed us three times. He claims to have been at the one in L.A. Fuck, no. We didn't see him. You didn't see him. So I don't, I don't believe you.

You sent us a half-assed picture that you could have gotten from anybody. Yep. Until you come to our show, we're not talking to you anymore. Agreed. We're not going to bring you up. Yep. Then you were a fan favorite, sir. So take that for what you will.

Is he a fan favorite? Not anymore. Yeah. Not anymore because you don't show your face. You mean, like, our fan favorite? favorite or like the fans like loz i wonder i wonder we haven't talked about him recently because you know i'm i'm cooling on cool on lois but we get the scene with sierra and west and she's you know helping clean up his nose a little bit and she brings up the austin thing and this is why

they're so fucking cute yeah because in a confessional west is like you know it's moments like this where she's vulnerable and opening up where you can really connect with somebody and And, you know, Sierra says, like, I'm just not a good judge of character on when it comes to Austin. Like, I kind of got blindsided by it. I felt like an idiot. West is very receptive. And I think that's what sets him apart from a lot of dudes that we've seen on the show is his empathy. Yeah.

Like, he actually listens and responds. He's such a good dude. He's a great dude. You're just saying that because he has a mustache. Maybe. Yeah, you guys. No, no, the way that I saw this conversation going, he pretty much took the approach of, yeah, yeah, you dated a shithole. Whatever, you know.

A shit hole. Austin the shithole You don't like that one? I don't know why That's a new word I'm just playing around with that Whatever A shithole refers to a place

Yeah well I mean you could Austin Texas is a very nice place Austin Yeah it is I don't want people to misconstrue that Oh yeah no He's talking about the person

West was taking the approach of like yeah You dated an asshole Is that better for you? I had no issue with shit hole I just needed a clarification He dated an asshole in the past But you know I understand him you know, thank you for telling me, is the approach.

That's the right approach, so good dude. Yeah, it is a good, good, but great stash. But we get back to Craig and Paige, we're not going to talk about it because of the same shit that we've already talked about. But moving on from there, we get Paige, Lindsay, and Amanda. And this scene was interesting, again, because they flat out say to her, like, we saw a different side of you that day, where you really opened up to us, and thank you for being so honest and so vulnerable.

She wasn't. she wasn't I don't yeah honest and vulnerability that's just her throwing Carl under the bus it was that's what I see it was honest I don't think it was honesty and vulnerability I think she was just rambling it didn't it wasn't like it wasn't like she was coming to them for advice she wasn't coming to them to share some intimate thing about their relationship to see if maybe they could take it a different way or try to help her through it she just was talking yeah she just said it like she didn't she even goes I didn't think it was that deep yeah like that's what was so confusing about it and you see page and amanda like again they wanted to talk to her because they're so fucking confused like the idea of lindsay confiding in page and amanda makes zero sense after years and years of watching this it just doesn't make any sense so they're as confused as we are lindsay's confused because she doesn't think that she was being vulnerable i know she was just like yeah i was just talking seem normal so that's where i battle with this because i don't know if lindsie's just dropping a bomb in here like oh maybe people are going to

come over to my team and see my side of things if I say that I'm not having sex with Carl but the way that she's talked like she's just so laissez-a about it a little French for you. Yeah. While you're going Italy, I don't know why I had that. Whatever. It's also not laissez-a. It's laissez-faire. Whatever, dude.

You're the one that said it. French. Anyway. Quick dig it to French. No, I have whatever. But she's doing all this and like nobody really understands what the hell's going on. I think that's really.

really the thing to take away from this. Page sitting there and saying, look, I'm going to say something that I've never said before. I'm team Lindsay. I'm team Lindsay on this one. Weird. It's really weird. I don't like watching that. I felt dirty seeing that. Amanda is listening intently. Lindsay's fucking confused because she doesn't think it's that big of a deal. I don't know what the hell's going on. Where is everybody else? Let's get away from this. I don't know. I will say this because everyone like, we've had a couple of comments, people like, the Lindsay hates too much. It's not even hate. It's just trying to understand the situation. And I can say this about this situation. I actually appreciate that they're trying to help guide her through

this in regards of, hey, if this is too fast, it's a much better idea to call it off now rather than get divorced in two months. I appreciate that they are trying to have a conversation with her, and that's not Lindsay Hate at all. Like, I, I'm glad that they're able to set their differences aside to have a constructive conversation about the future. Because, look, everyone, obviously knows how I feel about Lindsay. I hate watching this season because I think that it's dangerous for Carl. But at the same time, they would be so much better off apart. And I think that everybody in the house knows that. And they're trying their best to voice that without flat out saying that because immediately after this, we get the dudes with Carl. And Carl's like,

you know, this is what breaks my heart. Because we base things that we talk about off of what we see right we're given the evidence on a show i'm sure there's more behind the scenes and we're not privy to that information but we based off of what we see what we have seen is carl get berated and broken down and in this scene with the dudes he's like you know i've learned that i it's okay that i can take accountability and responsibility and maybe go to anger management and thank god jesse who has no business speaking up because he hasn't been there but because of his approach to the matter it's not taken the wrong way because he does it in a gentle enough way

and it's actually almost more warranted because he's not been around it whereas other people can be jaded or biased one way or the other Jesse's looking at with a fresh set of eyes so he's like you know honestly between Jesse saying that and then Craig sitting down and saying

it seems like you're just making concessions for the sake of trying to save this are you getting anything in return like everybody's concerned Everyone's watching Carl And like we're concerned Because we're watching Carl And Carl's talking about

You know I learn this in couples therapy I haven't heard Lindsay once Referred to couples therapy Except for to stop a fight Yeah we can talk about that In couples therapy like She's not really It doesn't seem like she's taking anything

That they're learning Or trying to move past Or trying to fix anything Carl's doing everything Carl's not showing up on Friday Lindsay's making excuses for why he's not there Everybody knows why he's not there Carl's taking matters

Into his own hands to try to avoid things he's going a couple's therapy he's trying to practice the things that he's learning he's thinking about taking anger management which look a lot of people are saying we don't know what happens when the cameras aren't there we don't know what happens in the car whatever you can surmise just based off of the way that we've seen these behaviors and the people that we know like yes we've seen carl in the past blow off but we've seen lindsay do it way more often and she's doing it consistently so put it together there's so many things that carl's trying to do it i haven't once seen even in this moment when they're doing the side by

side where Lindsay's talking to the girls. She's not talking to them about not having sex because she wants to help the relationship. I don't know why she's doing it. She doesn't know why she's doing it. She's just talking at this point. So it's broken. Everybody can see that it's broken. The guys are just trying to help Carl because they love Carl and they're friends with Carl. I don't really know what the hell's going on here. And it's just really tough to watch Carl trying to do everything in his power to fix it. And you don't see that from the other side. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's where I get so frustrated, especially when I read the comments that are like, I can't believe that you're, like, defending Carl and blah, blah, blah.

It's like, just watch. Watch what's happening on the screen. Watch a guy trying to take accountability for something he hasn't done wrong. And then watch on the flip side, Lindsay's not putting in any work. If you want to take everything else out of it, what's happening behind closed doors, all of this other shit, if you think that this relationship looks different behind closed doors, I don't think you're watching intently enough. Yeah. But at the same time, take that out of it. Let's watch what the conversations are when it comes to their relationship.

On one side, you get Carl doing everything under the sun talking to his parents, his therapist, his friends on how to fix this, what he's doing to move forward. Look at Lindsay talking to people. Carl doesn't have sex with me. What are you doing to fix things? Nothing. We'll talk about in couples therapy. That's the big thing.

And, you know, Jesse finishes it with, it just feels very soon to get married given the circumstances right now and he said it perfectly and I'm curious if this is the moment where we're going to see things really shift towards a separation between these two because I think there's going to be a pivotal moment at some point where we're because we know how it happens the last talk was never supposed to be a breakup Carl has said that he went into it to have a difficult conversation it got ramped up and it ended with them breaking up so we're going to see that but at some point we're going to see a major shift where it's no longer how do we fix this it's going to be oh fuck this is not fixable yeah so i'm curious when

that's going to have it's got to be soon got to be soon but uh we can see all the seeds being planted here and there and eventually everything's going to break yeah because the guys are going to get tired of telling carl over and over again what they think you should do or trying to give him some advice and not really seeing him take that in stride and then the girls are going to realize, oh shit, we shouldn't be team Lindsay. Yeah. So I think that's going to happen over the next couple of weeks, but either way, it's still a really

good season. It's a great season. It's a great season. The dichotomy of the two things happening of a super fun house with a super serious problem in the house. It's interesting to watch. It's heartbreaking at times, but it's interesting. Questions? Let's move on to some questions. I don't really understand this one, but from

Jen and the City, 83, do you think Kyle pushed West on purpose? I mean, yeah, he pushed him on purpose. He didn't mean. But, like, was he winning? You're trying to draw blood. Yeah, he wasn't trying to kill him. Yeah, he clearly pushed him on purpose because that's what happened.

That's great. Great question, though. I love that one. Yeah. From Ashley Krollcheck. Page saying she's Team Lindsay, do you think she'll flip at the reunion? Probably. Page does that.

Oh, do you think it's a reunion flip? Well, that's after the season. Yeah, it's after the season. So, yeah, obviously, I think we're going to see that. They still haven't filmed the reunion yet. I think it'll happen. Will that be the first time that Carl, well, I guess he still pays for the apartment,

so that'll be interesting. But, yeah, I think she'll do the full page flip at the reunion because she always does that. I would imagine, but I think that we're going to see it before that. I think something's going to happen where people are going to go, oh, shit. Yeah. Something a little lighter here from Zach Mellon. Who is the best chest hair, Carl, Jesse, or Craig?

Ooh. I think Carl. Probably Carl. Yeah. Yeah, it's not too long. No. But it's, uh, Jesse. Jesse's got the concave chest.

That's his claim to fame. That is his claim to fame. Um, yeah, I think chest hair with guys is, it's, it's a slippery slope, though. It is. You have a really good chest hair. It probably means you got some back hair. You got to deal with that? No.

You want to do the... Dude, let me tell you. Because I like, I think I have like a good amount. I think I have the perfect amount of chest hair. Okay. And I asked... Your wife tell you that, or are you just... Yeah, because I ask that frequent.

I'm like, hey, you have to let me know. I don't want to be that guy that looks like I'm wearing a sweater. She goes, nope, it's like the great amount. But I don't have back here except I get one fucking patch

right in the center of my back right above my shirt line. Right where that guy puts his hand on you? Right where the dude. That's from a different show. That was Martha's Vineyard. But no, I get this one annoying patch

and I always tell Dev, I'm like, hey, you got to let me know when the patch is patchy because it's a bad look. Gotta get rid of it, yeah. Yeah. From Angel Renee, do you get the vibe that Jesse doesn't care for Kyle? No.

I don't at all. Yeah, I mean, I could see why you might just be like, yeah, he might just be appeasing him and whatever. But, I mean, Jesse's a nice guy, so I could see him doing the whole, I'm going to be nice at face value, but like really deep down, I don't really give a shit about Kyle. But I don't really get that from this. No, I think Jesse likes everybody in the house. we'll do one more here from the mellow knee and we have to clear this up can the bros offer west a job

so that he can afford the summer house next summer I will post this clip now that it's been revealed that he got a little let go from Bleacher Report right? Yes Bleacher Report he has a new job with complex complex sports

he says it's a little more pop culturey but he enjoys it a lot he just did he was with I saw it on his story today He was with the God damn it He's on ESPN a lot talking about football Oof

Dan Rolovsky No no no He used to play football No No So did Dan Rolovsky Fuck Whatever

Yes he has a job with complex sports He's doing fine And that's all I got You got anything? No but I can't wait To get my iPad back So I can ask that question Because it makes me uncomfortable

Yeah because you don't have anything That's why I feel the way that I feel. You throw it to me and I'm like, I'm done. I know, but I don't like it on this side of things. A little selfish. You're selfish. Maybe this will teach you a little bit of perspective so that when you do get the iPad back, you can look at me and instead of saying, hey, you got anything?

What a high horse did you ride it on? As you wipe your nose all snootily. No, I was going to make a really bad joke, so I'm just not going to. Yeah, don't. Because nobody wants to hear it. You got anything else? Nope. That would have been a good time for your joke.

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