Bros & Shows - Paige Bears it All, Kyle and Amanda on Rocky Grounds (Summer House reunion pt 2 full recap)

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

What's up Bros? We watched part 2 of the Summer House reunion. Jesse gets through the reunion with a minor slap on the wrist which is shocking to us. But we're glad we can finally move on from the topic. Kyle and Amanda open up about where they were going into this summer and they were shaky to say the least. After hearing them talk it out, they definitely appear to be in a better place but their still seems to be some cracks in the foundation. Then Paige opens up about Craig and shares her side of everything. The more Paige talks, the more clear it becomes that we heard a lot mistruths from Craig. After setting the record straight, it's hard to see how anyone wouldn't be team Paige in this scenario. And again, we are thrilled to be able to tie a bow on this one and FINALLY move on from the Craig and Paige debacle. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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none of you are safe. New episodes every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. I think there's more to talk about in the recent news than there is in this reunion episode. Yeah, what happened to the big announcement that was going to shock everybody during the reunion? Page dropped it after the reunion. Yeah, yeah, and Lexi dropped it after the reunion. Good evening.

everybody welcome back to another episode of bros and shows i'm your co-host steel russell joined as always by sunday kind of goots what's up dude sunday kind of goots just walked in from the shore and i'll answer it right now no i did not see the sun the entire weekend it was just raining and cloudy but still very nice and relaxing at least you enjoyed yourself i woke up uh two hours east of dallas this morning drove uh dropped the car off at a friend's house and uh it was a gated community didn't have the gate code couldn't get in the gate that was tough my flight was leaving in two hours from that moment dropped the car off it was 95 degrees had to walk back to the gate with my bag and stuff about half a mile gate wouldn't open gate on the sidewalk to get

out of the neighborhood has a code on it which is strange to me yeah to exit doesn't that seem weird sounds like prison well i couldn't get out of there so instead i threw my bag over uh and crawled under the gate, and then my Uber picked me up, and then I got to the airport with about 45 minutes to spare. We made it onto the plane, though, and that was my day. I did. Wow. I did put it out to the masses.

Did you get it? I didn't because the line was too long. It's probably for the best. Well, I mean, it depends on what you mean by the best. Like best for how you feel on the flight? Yeah, probably for the best. But best for your taste buds, the triple dipper is unmatched. I agree. And to those that are unfamiliar with what I'm speaking of, I posted a story today

because I walked by the Chili's in Dallas Love. And I had a decision to make. Do I triple dip pre-flight or do I not triple dip pre-flight? And I decided to triple dip pre-flight, but due to the line and like I said, my time constraints could not triple dip before my flight. So didn't poop on the airplane, which is probably good. That's probably good. Yeah. I did miss out on the did miss out on the triple dip which is a bummer so now i need to get one so that is a bummer um yeah dude i could talk to you about the triple dipper all night and it would probably be a little bit more fascinating to what we have to talk about for this reunion but right do have to talk about the reunion yeah i guess so i might as well dive right in but that does beg the question should

we do a live show at a chilis fuck yes oh my god yeah that would be so bad for us but so great for us. I don't know how many mozzarella sticks I would eat during the sitting like before, after. I would probably have to try to do, you know, like the 9-99 thing, like 9 hot dogs, 9 beers, 9 innings. Yeah. I'd probably have to do something like that with

with mozzarella sticks from Chili's. We could probably do something like that while watching a Phillies game at a Chili's. By the way, I couldn't drink, obviously, but you could. You could drink for both of us. 18, 9, and 9. Oh, Jesus Christ. Don't be soft, bro. Come on.

that sounds awful um but yeah that like steel said in the intro it seems like a lot more has dropped you know we were promised that we were going to get some sort of announcement and was it shocking if you go back and look at the interviews that took place with jesse west uh kyle lindsay everybody said yeah you know something was talked about during the reunion that we didn't expect i guess it was probably kyle and amanda and their marital issues but like oh that was the bomb i've been trying to figure out what the bomb was for so long and it's It's really funny to be able to like, because like going down the shore, we knew what our recording schedule was going to be.

I didn't watch the episode until recently and all the other news had already come out. So watching it with knowing that Page wasn't coming back because she posted an Instagram post just kind of going through like thanking everybody and the fact that she's departing from the show. Lexi's not coming back. It's kind of funny and it's kind of just worthless to watch this reunion because none of it really matters. That's how I felt watching it. I was like, I don't really care.

Plus, no one's really talking about it anymore. That's the life of a Bravo show. Once the finale really airs, it's like, no, I don't want to the next thing. And plus, I'm so infatuated with Love Island now that I was planning on doing that tonight. We had a miscommunication, so we're doing Summer House instead, which is good so we can just tie a bow on this and move on from it.

Yeah. But can I just say to everybody that's listening, Love Island is one of the best shows, in the history of television i had no really is i'm i'm less concerned about recording for love islands than i am how i'm going to watch it and when i'm going to watch it i do think i'm probably still i don't think i can do every single night at nine p m there's just it's the NBA finals it's you know stanley cups on we've got baseball on still so i'll probably still be watching in my desk but it is really funny to just know i will probably have my phone up

watching Love Island for three straight hours, random days during the week. And I'm excited about that. It's just, it's such a funny fucking show, man. It's, oh, God, it's the best. I had no idea. I had no idea how good it was. I'm going to do my best to watch it, like, most nights as much as I can just to stay on top of it. Well, Dev watches it, right?

Yeah. Yeah, she's a big, love island fan too. It's a good relationship bonding thing. Yeah, there you go. I agree, but it's on at nine. And that's a little late. It's a little late. It's a little late for Dev, not a little late for you.

exactly we're she's a she's a morning person i'm a night out yeah but let's do this bullshit let's get into summer house part two let's just do it yeah whatever reunion and to absolutely no surprise to either of us we got a lot of backlash for our stance on the lexie sierra debacle last week we didn't even bother looking i don't care what people want to say it's just like it just is what it is like you disagree with us that's fine but you know we i i stand by what we said, I think, and even watching the beginning of this one, we'll wrap it up quickly and move on from it because I'm tired of talking about Lexi and Jesse now, but we pick up right where we left off with the Sierra and Lexi stuff. And even in this moment, and can

people say that on her press tour she was targeting Sierra a little bit? Sure, fine. Okay, fine. Sure. But even in this moment, to me, she's still trying to put the onus on Jesse, who, by the way, got away from this with barely a slap on the wrist. Like the lightest little kiss don't you do that and that's about it he's really unscathed from the whole thing but that was her whole sentiment this entire time was trying to put it on jesse she even apologized to sierra she didn't really pay attention to her but i still because i look through the comments and everything and let me state this as well do i think that we need lexie back no i don't i don't think she needs to come back and i don't think either of us were fighting

for that from the jump i think it was just you know some justice for her because I did think that she got done dirty, but looking through not our comments, but just comments and other posts, she's getting dragged. Like, she's not coming out of this very well. And that's just surprising to me. I just didn't see it going this way, I guess.

I just, I think that the culture of this show has gotten to a point where, like, yes, I do think that this is probably the most close-knit show as far as a cast goes than any other show on Bravo. I do genuinely think that all of these people are really close, really good friends. I don't

question a lot of friendships. I always question new people coming into the house. And more so than that, I question new girls coming into the house. It's you can be fans of page. You can be fans of Sierra and Amanda, the bedbugs, whatever you want to talk about. And I am and you can still actually look at how it works from the outside working in. If there's a new girl coming into the house, it is very hard to break into that friendship. They're like, ugh, like whatever. And I get it. Like, Lexi was just so infatuated and just so enveloped with. her and jesse and what was going on the whole summer i understand that you want to that is on her and if you want to keep that in an arm's length fine i understand that but don't look at this from like

oh my god she didn't even try to be friends with them they probably wouldn't want to be friends with lexie because they're so close-knit they don't let people in they're kind of mean girls in certain situations and they're also kind of nice in certain situations like when they walk in and see jesse talking to a bunch of random girls in the house and they're like dude you can't do this shit for Lexi's sake get the fuck out of here so they'll do things like that here and there but the most part is they're very close and they won't let people into their circle and that's fine that is fine but let's not act like they're the best people in the world and if she's not friends with them it's her fault not their fault there is a two-way street here and it's not really her

fault and it's not really their fault it is what it is but during this whole conversation with lexie trying to talk to Sierra she was just getting railroaded again it's very clear that she's going after Jesse yes she mentioned a few things in the press but by the way and we said this last week, Sierra, you mentioned Lindsay a million times on your press tour after the Austin Lindsay bullshit. And you would have flipped if Austin and Lindsay didn't go to a birthday party or some event that you had planned and they were posting together instead.

You would have freaked out and gone on another press tour. So let's not act like you're not that person because you are that person. So see yourself in another girl and say, shit, yeah, you know, I've dated a bunch of scumbags on Bravo too, and this is what happens. I see that we could potentially have a friendship moving forward. Lexi doesn't really need to be on the show moving forward. She's not on the show.

She put out a little press release. It was kind of funny. But whatever. It is what it is. And we're done talking about it, thankfully. Agreed. I agree. I don't need to reference it anymore.

If you disagree with us, fine. We still love you. That's the beauty of these shows. You're allowed to have different opinions, even though some will get you some very mean comments, but that's neither here nor there. But let's get to Lindsay. And her season, obviously, she was delightful this year.

We both thoroughly enjoyed her. thought she was very funny in this role and she just seemed lighter she seemed like she's in a good place you know we yeah obviously just because she's pregnant it's because she just it's almost like i think her having a daughter and having even just a baby kind of like healed a part of her where she's like yeah you know what this is what it was all for this is all worth it and she kind of says that in so many ways i think knowing that she was pregnant and about to have a baby and she was in a good place with turner and all of those things just kind of came together and it made her such a better person and not a vindictive person.

And yes, there is still, you know, a little vindicism. Is that a word? Vindictiveness. Vindictiveness. Yeah, there's a few instances of her being vindictive, but they're very funny. And they're very timely. And we need those because that's what makes Lindsay so great. So she had an incredible summer, I feel like.

Yeah, she might have had the best summer of anybody, honestly, because she was such a delight. I really, really enjoyed her this year. But also, obviously, the Carl part of it all was very interesting to watch from our perspective, because there's no other way to cut it. It's a very fucking weird scenario. It's a very strange scenario. It's like, you just got pregnant with another man's baby. You guys were engaged less than a year ago. You're living in the same house this summer.

I have to very weird, but I have to tip my cap to both of them, honestly, on how well they handled it. Because I thought they were very mature about it. I thought Carl was supportive. Obviously on both sides of the street here, Carl said some stupid shit along the way where you're like, dude, why? Why open that door? Then on the foot side, Lindsay came after him a couple of times. But they were still able to, I hate that we can't say this anymore because it was a Jalen Hertz quote. And then it turned into a- Keep the main thing, the main thing.

Yeah. They both kept the main thing, the main thing. I would just say coexist. They coexisted in a nice way. Yeah. And it was so much better than anybody could have ever predicted going into this season. Everybody was on the edge of their seat with how this was going to work. Holy shit, Lindsay's really coming back. We know she's pregnant.

Carl's coming back. He's sober still. He's working on his soft bar. What is this going to be like? It's going to be absolute chaos. And we, I think, even said before the season started, are we going to get to a point like three or four episodes in where it's just unbearable? Like, ugh, one of you has to go. And it's probably going to end up being Carl because Lindsay's just.

way more iconic when it comes to these shows. But it worked out so well. And it was such a non-issue that it was even funny to the people on the cast. And it was funny to the audience when something would pop up because nobody took it that seriously. It's like, oh, there you go. All right, there's a little comment here or there. It's funny.

It's just a good time. And neither of them really took it to heart that much. I think Carl may be a little bit more than Lindsay. But it really in the end of the day was not that big of a deal. No, no. And it was actually funny to watch the interactions, especially when they were actually getting along. It was nice to see the support, obviously, when Lindsay went up to Carl on the anniversary of his brother passing, and then Carl being supportive of the baby, all that stuff. It's just

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What did suck to watch, and I'm glad it was addressed, was, and we talked about this for a while, I think, when it went down, because obviously I got pissed off because of the non-alc lover boy comment

where I was like, what the fuck? If you're sober, you can't have fun. I'm glad that brought up Gabby's conversation with Lindsay. And Gabby, I think she did a great job explaining.

She's like, look, she's my girl. We're shit-talking her ex. No, I didn't mean it, but that's what I do. That's what everybody, does. I was like, that's fair. And she went ahead and texted Carl when it aired to be like, hey, man, didn't mean it like that. Like, I'm really sorry. Carl heard her out. They're fine. He's got

a lot of love for Gabby. So, all good. And I'm pumped that that came back up, actually. I was pretty excited. Yeah, I'm happy to, yeah, what were you going to say? I kind of want to hear what you say. I'm going to say it anyway. So you go ahead. All right. No, I agree with you. I fully agree with because I kind of forgot about it, to be honest, until I saw even just like the trailer for the second part of the reunion. And it kind of made me remad because I knew and I like that Gabby addressed it. And she kind of stood her ground, too. She said, you know, I'm a girlfriend.

And I'm a friend of girls who have exes. And whenever we talk about exes, I'm going to shit on them. Like, that's just who we are. That's just what we do. So being honest in that moment is great. But you're still sitting right next to Carl, which is very funny. So you're looking at Carl like, look, I'm sorry, but like, I'm still going to do this. This is how this works.

And I did feel bad about, you know, the specific comments, talking about his teeth. And I didn't know all of that when it came to his dental history. I had no idea. I didn't think he was going to go through that. He did mention a couple of times before that his brother had hit him with a hockey stick. And, you know, he had to get, like, new teeth or whatever. But I didn't know that it got to a point where he then had to get surgery and he had to get replacement teeth. And then he had to pretty much, and his teeth look great now.

But last year, yeah, they were pretty crazy. But I'm happy that they look great now. And he was able to acknowledge that. We got new information about that whole thing. I'm like, good, this is awesome. And I'm happy that Carl is just so, this is such a different Carl. And if you go back in the early seasons of Summerhouse, he would never accept that apology. He'd be like, fuck you.

I don't care. You said some shit, fuck off. Now he's just so accepting of anybody's apology. It's so great. He's just such a good dude. Yeah. And Kyle and Amanda referenced that later when they're talking, just saying, you know, Kyle specifically was like when we'd get there on the weekends, you know, due to substance

abuse it was like kind of a shadow of the guy that I knew and like he always thought that he had so much more to offer so now that everyone has a chance to see that side of Carl they're thrilled and I think everybody watching obviously there's Carl haters in the comments but like yeah he's a nice guy like that it just is what it is he's just a nice dude he's a good he's a really good mainstay on Bravo he's been on Bravo for nine years now he's one of the OGs of Summerhouse if there's enough going on on the cast around him. He's a nice presence still. We do not need, especially

for his sake and his health. We don't need him to be the Carl that we saw for the first six, seven seasons. We need this version of Carl and he needs this version of Carl. So you can be bored with him. You can say, you know, we want to get younger. We want to do this. We want to do that. Summerhouse is going to go through some weird overhaul

based on what we've seen anyway. I think this could be the last summer of all of the OGs pretty much being around. Yeah. So it's going to get interesting after that but for now it is what it is and there's enough going on around where you don't need carl to be this big presence this big party guy that's really going to push narratives he's just a good calming presence to a lot of people and he's awkward as shit and that makes it so funny yeah and i think also now knowing how cognizant he was about the teeth i felt bad not

that i've ever said anything we've never we've never we don't talk about appearances really for anybody 99.9% of the time yeah but But knowing that he felt that way and then knowing how many people are in the comments saying shit about his teeth, that's like, oh, that kind of sucks. That's kind of a bummer. Especially last year during the Lindsay breakup, that was pretty tough for him. Yeah, yep. But let's get to Turner because we have an update on Turner and Lindsay, who says, you know,

he's a great father and they're no longer romantically together. But here's the thing. And we talked about this a while ago because she caught some flack. early this season on socials when she came out with this current setup of her and turn or how they were going to do things she still got her own place she's approaching this differently and both you and i were like fuck yeah that's the right move you do this for you and you take care of what you need to take care of so that you're never left out to dry and now she's in a good spot because she planned accordingly not to mention because we hear about co-parents

on every show now, right? But we also have question marks about the co-parenting because Ralph and Drew, for example, claimed to be great co-parents. And I'm not saying they're not, but when we watch what's going on with their divorce, it brings some questions. The fact that everybody in the group was like, wait, what? We just hung out with you guys a week ago. You guys aren't together goes to prove that they are, in fact, doing a great job co-parenting.

So I have no issue with any of it. I don't think anybody should have any room to comment on it. It sounds like they're doing a good job, taking care of the baby. Lindsay seems happy. Turner's clearly doing a good job if everyone's like signing off on it. So I think it's great. And I think that more so I'm glad that Lindsay took the approach she did because now she's in a spot that she's comfortable. And she's not relying on anybody else.

And she's doing her thing. So I think it all worked out. Yeah. For the people that were in the comments and, you know, online just saying that Lindsay, just wanted to have a baby she didn't really care who it was going to be with she found someone that was going to be able to provide a baby for and now she's just moving on with her life it doesn't seem like that's the case this is a very mature response it's 2025 who gives a shit how you're going to raise a kid it sounds like it's a really nice environment to raise a kid in they're figuring out

and they're putting their romanticism on pause they'll probably try and pick it back up again you know a couple of her questions that andy was throwing at her she didn't really give a whole lot of clarity but like she doesn't have to and it doesn't seem like it's that big of an issue so we really don't need to hammer it down it's not like she spent the whole summer lying about it and saying that he was the best person ever and you know they're going to be together and they're going to get married and do all this and now we're like well what the fuck happened to that she just never really talked about it she checked in because she's pregnant with his child and they seem to be in a good place and that's really all that matters we shouldn't care beyond that

unless something else comes out and that it's a big issue but i don't think it will and there's no reason to believe that it would oh you mean like when carl becomes a stepdad Boodoo, just kidding. Yep. J.K. But speaking to Carl, let's get into Carl. Because obviously he was getting back into the dating pool, all the little stuff that we got to, I don't know if we got to watch that we had to watch.

That was still. Yeah, that shit was awkward as fuck. Not going to lie. But obviously, Andy has to ask Lindsay, what was that like watching that whole thing? She's like, you know, I don't really care. I do think, because it was on a weekend that she wasn't there, I'm not saying she cares anymore. I'm not saying that it's like eating her up inside. I'm not saying anything like that.

I do think that if she was there, she would have had a lot to say about it. We would have had a lot of away from Carl and Lil comments from Lindsay to probably Gabby or Amanda or whoever. Yes. Doesn't really matter what it is. And yeah, look, she's going to make those comments. That's just the person that she is. I think with her, it's a lot of pretty much the same answer that she gave to a lot of these questions. She's not there yet.

She's not there yet in the sense of I can watch him openly flirt with girls while we're in a shared living house, which who the fuck could? And be able to just laugh it off. Like, oh, yeah, whatever. I don't care. I think she would still care. And that's just genuinely how she is. I think anybody would know. Yeah, anybody would.

It's crazy that we would expect her to just take that lying down. Like, ah, yeah, it's fine. I'm pregnant. whatever let's move on it's like no all of this did happen in a very short time so the fact that he did it respectfully a weekend that she wasn't there he knew she wasn't going to be there so that's why he invited her they all kind of just you can say they danced around it or they were walking on eggshells i think at the end of the day they both had some weird mutual respect where they didn't want to say or do anything that was going to step on each other's toes we saw a lot of

away from the camera type of conversations like car which again we're dumb like don't We're very dumb. Most of them are going to come up. It was, Carl was the, yeah. Yeah, Carl, Carl was definitely the agitator when it came to all of that.

And he admitted, yeah, that was a really dumb comment. We didn't get into the comment that he made when he was sitting at the bar with Jesse and Kyle talking about the soft bar thing. And he's like, you know,

I feel like she's just still really jealous. She's still got a lot of resentment. And this is like, what's going on? And everything that I do, she's still going to have a comment on. We didn't talk about that. Because I feel like that was not as bad as the conception of the baby

in the bed that he paid for. That was crazy. But he did make other comments that we didn't really get into. He made a lot of dumb comments this summer. And I'm sure he would take them all back if he could. He just gets caught up in the moment. But again, it's a very short amount of time since they just broke off their engagement. So we expect these types of things.

And they didn't blow up. They didn't boil over. And we didn't have to pay for it. So I respect that. And I thank them for that. Yeah, I agree. So again, that's off to those two. Look at us.

It's a complimentary as fuck. They should get back together. They should get married. But let's get to Kyle and Amanda. And I guess this may have been the bomb that people were referring to or Bravo was referring to. I thought the bomb was just page leaving, but maybe she wanted to do it herself. So they're like, yeah, just do it tomorrow.

Do you think maybe after the reunion page kind of like sat with everybody and was like, hey, I'm not coming back? And they all responded because like there were a couple of different interviews with different people where they all said that, you know, something happens. It's it wasn't really shocking, but it was, you know, noteworthy or whatever they wanted to say. So maybe page told them all and they just, you know, didn't spill the beans until she was able to just post that herself. But yes, I don't know. I can't imagine it was Kyle and Amanda because even what we saw in the trailer for this week at the end of last week, we're like, whoa, what the fuck?

Why didn't they show that? But it was a week before they really started filming. So for whatever reason, there was a camera there because it was June 25th. And they don't start filming until Fourth of July weekend. So I'm like, oh, they had a conversation before the summer started where Amanda told Kyle that she doesn't really trust him and they need trust in their relationship because he continues to just go out and do whatever. And then we saw much more reformed Kyle throughout the summer where it wasn't that big of a deal. And Amanda was in a really good place mentally. So it never really got to a point where we had to talk about it.

So it made a lot more sense as to why we didn't see that scene because it ended up not being an issue. It was kind of weird. I guess that makes sense because in my head I was like, you know, not for nothing, but. But, and I know that the season kind of took the direction of Jesse and Lexi the entire time, so there may not have been room for it. I would have liked to have learned more about that because watching these two this summer was such a difference in what we've seen previously. Yeah.

I would have liked to have been in the know of like, oh, no, this is like, obviously I knew it was a concerted effort by Kyle to change a little bit. Yeah. But I didn't know as an ultimatum. I didn't know, like, she leads it off with, you know, I had one foot out the door. I was like, oh, shit, it was like that. Because we've all, I mean, shit, you and I have talked about it. People in the comments have talked about it. Everyone talks about the fact that she puts up with so much for so long, like, at what

point is it going to wear thin? I guess they got to that point. But I wish I'd known that. So, like, watching how he's doing things during the summer, I would have paid more attention to it, you know what I mean? I think they should have started the episode off, the first episode. of the season with that with that honestly like have the two of them sit down

like oh shit are we about to watch Amanda and Kyle like really on the rocks like we've seen them you know bicker and fight about Kyle's behavior and we know Amanda's not like in a really good place with her mental mental ability I guess I don't know

mental health talk about my my mentals are all over the way mental ability mental ability mental health everybody's got them mental ability Um, but I yeah, I think I would have liked to have seen that in the beginning of the season because it would have provided context. And I think it could be one of those situations where we did see a couple of comments and conversations here or there where they were sitting down at dinner talking about having kids. And Amanda said, you know, she doesn't really feel like it's something that she can do right now.

There's some days where she feels like she doesn't want to have kids because she can't take on that responsibility. I think maybe those are the only real conversations that they had on camera. And it seems like there was a lot going on behind the scene. where we were perceiving it as Kyle's a lot better, Amanda's a lot better. It seems like they're both making efforts to try to meet somewhere in the middle and be a better couple and it's really working out because it's a pleasure to watch and Kyle seems like he's in a better spot and Amanda seems like she's way more social and she's doing things and she's not just sitting in bed all day.

So it looks a lot better from the outside. But when they're going through this conversation, I'm like, shit, like you guys were right at the edge. Yeah, and I still don't think that the outlook is like all sunshine and rainbows after hearing what they were talking about and I appreciate them being candid about it and opening up but when she's saying throughout the summer after watching this episode of the reunion it makes me look at all of those conversations differently where she's talking about not being ready to have a kid I don't know if I'm there mentally I think if Kyle was in a place where he wasn't working

all the time all the things she said in this episode where she's like I need you to be more present and stop working and be home and this and that i think if she had a partner doing that two years ago i do think she would have been ready two years ago that being said i'm glad she took the time to get herself to a place where she's happy mentally but i do think that her hesitancy during the season it made it seem like she's not quite ready because of her journey i think a lot more of that has to do with her being unsure about kyle especially hearing all that So that makes more. Yeah.

And it's a really tough conversation because I understand where both of them are coming from. To a certain extent. When you put the DJing in there, it's like, yeah. The DJing is like not. Yeah, that should have never happened and it should not continue to happen because, you know, you follow him on social media. He's in a different city every weekend, promoting lover boy and DJ. So it doesn't seem like a whole lot has changed. But when it comes to the lover boy and the flower boy stuff, I get it.

You know, he told Amanda, just give me a couple of years to figure this out. it's going to take a little bit longer if he wants to sell it if he wants to partner up I actually don't think he wants to sell it fully I don't think that he ever wants to actually That's why he said our partnership The partnership when he threw that in there

I'm like I know what you're doing You want to partner up But you're never really going to be able to take a full step back You're still going to be very much so involved And you're still going to be working a lot Because that's what you want to do So they still have a lot to figure out It looks like and I don't know

The way that this show's going with the people leaving I don't know if we're really going to see that And I do think going away from Summerhouse, you know, as weird as it's going to be to have Summerhouse without a Kyle Cook and Amanda, going away from Summerhouse is probably going to help because you're not going to be in the Hamptons every weekend. You're still going to be doing those weird things on the weekends, but you're not going to have to, like, force yourself to go to the Hamptons and film a show and do all this and that. You can spend that extra time working on your marriage.

So I think it probably will work out. I don't ever see them breaking up. I don't see Amanda leaving Kyle, you know, as much as we've talked about it. It's just it is what it is. And we've always known that. Yeah, I hope that they get to a place where he is able to take some kind of step back because he is missing a lot. And I get it. Like, when you say all that, like, I do understand what he's trying to do.

I'm trying to front load it so that I don't have to do this, that the other. It's like, yeah, I get where you're coming from. But if you have that mindset, it's like, all right, well, there's never going to be, quote, unquote, the right time to have a kid. Like, you just got to fucking do it if you want a kid because you're running out of time. And if you need to make concessions to make your wife happy and comfortable having a kid at that time, you probably should start really focusing on that because I don't think she'll leave him. No. I do think that the more confident she gets in herself, the more she has her own thing, the more that she's taking care of herself and in a good place,

I do think that that is going to creep into her mind much more than it would have in the past. And if I was him, I'd be very, very aware of that moving forward. It's like, you kind of have a deadline now. I don't think it's like the past where it's like, okay, yeah, whatever. I think now it's a little more, now you better get a shot together. Yeah. And it's weird and this is none of my business, but none of this is, technically. But you know what?

It's on TV, so I have to talk about it. I do see what Amanda, like abruptly just throws in there. He doesn't want to have kids yet. And I think that's true because I agree. did want to have kids. What you would do is, again, this is not of my business, so I shouldn't really be speaking on it. But you just say, hey, let's have kids and we'll work around that. We'll figure it out. The kid will come first. And I'll make sure that that's my number one priority. And I'll see how it affects my work life. And I'll see what I can manage. And I'll see what I can do. And if I have to immediately bring in a partner, I will. But we'll at least see how it goes. I think they have this idea, whether it's both of them or just Kyle of, oh my God, if I have a kid, everything stops. Everybody continues. to work when you have a kid. So I think that's more just Kyle doesn't really want to have a kid right now. And those drunken conversations that we see with him in Schwartz where he's like,

I didn't ever thought that I wouldn't be a dad by now. It's like, well, you could be. You could have been a dad four years ago. You could have gotten married to Amanda a little sooner. You could have had a baby at some point, but you're not because of what you're doing. So, you know, it's on the wall there and the proof is in the pudding, if you will. I agree. And I think that for so long he has had the fall.

back of Amanda's mental health. She's not ready. She's not ready. Put the emphasis on her. It's like, I think when push comes to shove, you're not ready. I think you want to be, but I don't think you're ready to have a kid.

I don't think he's ready to pull the reins back on Lover Boy that much. And I think that that's going to be an insurmountable issue in two years. I give it two years and it's going to be like this isn't. I think two years will be like the 10th anniversary of starting Loverboy, if I'm not mistaken. So if you're spending 10. 10 years getting a company off the ground, which, by the way, it's well off the ground. And you're still at a point where you're working the most out of everybody. That's kind of crazy for a food and bed type of thing.

I completely agree. But the final statement from them about, you know, Andy's like, you guys have been so great. Like, she says we've both been focused on ourselves. And she does say, like, not in a bad way, but it's also like, ooh. This didn't leave me the way the summer left me. After the summer, I'm like, they seem great. After this, I'm like, I think they're okay. Yeah.

But I think that they're reaching. I really do think they're reaching a crossroads right now because of how well Amanda's doing in her own personal life and her own mental health, that we're seeing a massive shift in what the future could potentially look like if Kyle's not able to compromise. Yeah. Yeah. I think that it's one of those things that if she was. was better in a better mental place, two, three years ago, we'd be having a much different

conversation today than we would. It immediately almost starts a clock. And when she's talking about, you know, I do need to have a kid within the next couple of years, like biologically speaking, like, yeah, I've got frozen eggs, like I've got this and that and whatever. But she wants to have a kid in the next couple of years. If she was in a better place, say, two, three years ago when we saw her not so much in a good place, I think the whole thing would have been accelerated.

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to Night Vale is a twice monthly update from a small desert town where the paranormal is real. Every conspiracy theory is true. We all have to get on with our lives anyway. Welcome to Night Vale is available wherever you get your podcasts. Let's keep trucking because we get to the Kyle and Craig debacle. The Spritz versus Lover Boy, it's clear where you stand. nice work with the lover boy hat but when Andy asked page I'm like I don't I already know where she stands with this like before she even started talking she's like I'm going to defend my boyfriend because when we watch page she's almost loyal to a fault to her closest friends and boyfriend as you're supposed to be I'm not this is not a negative statement but no she

very much is the person that's like I'm going to stick up for you and then behind closed doors tell you you're an asshole yeah but the whole thing we talked about it a lot right because in the beginning of the season where we stood we're like oh it seems like kyle might have somewhat fucked craig over then we started to watch this season and both of i remember that one episode specifically yeah we both had a turn we're both like i don't know for getting the whole story here i kind of believe kyle it was it's very interesting because i do think the page did an incredible job of still being a very stand-up person still being a very respectable person even as an where yeah she's going to say I'm going to be loyal to my boyfriend I'm going to stick by him

and make excuses for him I was kind of sad when she said you know I didn't really start lying as much until I was with Craig I was so sad I was like yeah that sucks that really sucks but yeah there was a big turning point because we didn't really know what to believe we weren't getting the whole story and the reason being is that Kyle took the opportunity to blast page and once he did that it's like all right why like why are you going after page and not Craig What's really happening here? So that was such a big, I think such a big like negative on Kyle that immediately we're like, maybe Craig's right.

But then Craig starts talking and we don't really know what the fuck's going on. And we know that he does lie and he's a liar and a storyteller. So we don't really know what to believe. But once everything starts to clear and they break up and you can see Paige is kind of pulling away, she is immediately admitting I made excuses for him. Of course I'm going to protect him. Of course I'm going to stick by him. He put me in a bad spot.

Kyle also put her in a bad spot. But now we kind of see where it was going. And when they start going through those text messages that Kyle was getting from Craig, they didn't make any sense. They were just blatant lies and it seems like he didn't understand what he was even doing. He was investing in a company and probably not really checking anything and just- I think he was just like, here's some money, Kyle, let me know what I make from it. But yeah, and that's what Page says because Kyle's like, look, I have receipts galore.

You can look at these, which, by the way, fucking release them. Let us see their receipts. I don't think they will. I don't either. but that's when Paige jumped in and was like, he doesn't understand the business part of it. That's why none of them made sense. So it's nice that she's in a place now

where she can finally be honest about it. But I will say to your point, she could have went scorched earth this episode. Easily. She got her, no, she got her point across and she took some shots here and there, but she's still just classy about it.

Very classy, very demure. Like, I was impressed with how she handled it. I thought she handled it perfectly. I don't think that there was any, better way to do it because she did it in such a way of leaving Craig out on an island for his own actions and you can tell and this is why I say this is one of the close-knit casts that exist on Bravo. They've already talked about this at length and they already know all the information and all of them have agreed together. Yeah, we're not going to just skewer him. We're going to put

things on that we talked about during the season. We're going to shine lights on things that he said and say, yeah, he was lying about that. Yeah, he was completely wrong about that. He shouldn't have done that and that's where we're going to leave it they could have just had a whole craig roast if they wanted to and they did none of them did and i i kind of appreciate it because that's not really fun to watch it makes for a good moment but then you have a spark in this whole summer house southern charm rivalry which could be kind of fun but it's probably not going to be as fun as you would imagine it would be i think it would drag out we get annoyed with it pretty quickly but i agree with you and i think that the way it just turns into real world road rules challenge wait a great

Wait a minute. There's an idea. Bravo, if you're listening. Trademark, we're producers if you do that. If they were all just like 10 years younger, that would be perfect. I don't know, dude, run it now. Who cares? We'll produce it.

Come on. Give us a chance. You guys give Jeremiah fucking 700 chances to ruin shows. I can't wait to talk about him when we do the Valley next week. But just to finish up the Craig Kyle stuff, then we'll get into page. The pettiness is just... Because that's what they did well, this cast. The credibility factor goes up and up and up because of how they discussed it, right?

But when they're saying things like, you know, Kyle reached out to check on Craig, Craig unfollowed him. He unfollowed Carl. He unfollowed anybody that had pages back. That makes no sense. It's a breakup. Obviously, people are going to support their friend page, just like people are going to support their friend Craig. The unfollowing of people, I think. think is the most like stupid baby back bitch shit i'll never understand that bro like oh you know what

fuck you boop unfollow especially when the mute button works so well i mute people all the time yeah like unfollowing is just it's such a teenage move i know dude it really really truly irks me but we finally get confirmation about the wedding we obviously know that craig got kicked out, even in this moment, even in this moment, Paige still tries to protect him somewhat. Yep. He was asked to leave the backyard. Amanda's like, he was asked to leave the property. Let's get this straight.

She still didn't drag him that much. But that night was way worse than we had all heard because he was belligerent. He was going into the house. He was saying rude things to Amanda's family. And he woke up the next day. Page goes, you have to apologize. That was a disaster. And he said, no.

you can't get kicked out of a wedding and not apologize to the unreal room especially if they're your friends especially if they're best friends with your girlfriend yeah what it's it's insane behavior and all i can see when they're going through all of his behavior from that is craig in winter house i can see him immediately saying just like he said about i'm not cleaning up after parties if we're going to party every time i'm just going to have somebody come in here and clean i'm not staying in this room i make so much money I have to say like he would do the same thing. I make so much money.

I'm not peeing out here. I'm peeing in the house. My girlfriend is your best friend. I have special privileges. I get to go pee in there. And we did see clips from the wedding at the end of, I forget what season that was. I guess season seven maybe.

And you could tell he was hammered and he was talking to people. And there's little clips here and there of him being very belligerent and going after people. So it's the same type of shit. And it's on the same timeline as what we saw in Winterhouse. Yeah, he's different. now but there's still some pieces of his personality that have hung around so it's very believable and page did a great job at protecting him because she didn't allow amanda and kyle to just go scorch earth and just confirm all the rumors it kept coming up it came up about five times the last two years people got

tired of it and we moved on so coming back to it now and getting the the uh the confirmation of what he did it's great because now we can put it to bed that's great we can move on from all of this finally and they talk about the timeline again which we don't need to go through we We get that. We've done it. But we have talked about the cheating rumors a lot in regards to page cheating on Craig and whether or not he should have went to bat for her. Page says it perfectly.

In a normal situation, exes don't owe each other anything. In our situation, him just simply saying, none of this is true, would have went a long way to getting people off of pages back as they were going through this breakup. She protected him for like two months and didn't say they broke up. that's the least he could have done in return just to be like well whoa whoa there was no cheating we just broke up but she goes on on a spiel about how because ego entered into it and ego tended to always be an issue when it came to him he wanted to play the she left me card

as much as he possibly could to get as much sympathy as he possibly could and page again being classy just let it let it ride really like if you look back at that time she wasn't out they're posting a bunch of shit trying to defend herself she just kind of was like fuck it she did her own thing let it kind of fizzle out and didn't really talk about it until right now is the first time she's addressing all these things and again what that does just adds to the credibility adds to you understanding like okay so as we're starting to see this whole thing finally come to an end it's like pretty easy to know where you should stand on this one what the right side of history is and that's team page yeah anything

that she comes out of her mouth about this entire situation is just immediately believed. It's just so concise. She answers the question so directly. She offers more information that backs it up. It's just clearly the truth for all of this. And that's really

all that really matters, honestly. And yeah, we said it a bunch before, you know, towards the end, I think it was probably the finale. All Craig really had to do, you know, he waited two, three weeks after page announced it on her podcast. Then he finally posted that whole vlog where he's sitting on a stoop talking about it all he had to do in the middle of that which was like

about three four five minute rant was just say by the way guys there's no cheating nobody cheated on anybody we broke up kind of fizzled out you can hold on to the fact that you were blindsided you can try to spin this whole i got a ring you know she didn't even get to see it we were going to get engaged i didn't it's like i didn't see this coming i thought we were going to work through it whatever you i don't believe that either you i truly believe if he did her the justice of just saying in the middle of it. There was no cheating. I think that she would have been completely whatever when it came to him talking about how he got a ring and him talking about how he's blindsided. I don't think that she would have spoken ill about him. I think she would have just let it lie,

but instead, you didn't do that. And yeah, I don't think you need to be in Reddit and commenting on things. But if you're going to post a five minute video talking about your breakup, mention that there's no cheating. Do her that justice. Do yourself that justice. Do you really want people out there commenting on your relationship and whether or not there was cheating? Like, did you get some weird pleasure out of that maybe i have no idea but it's bizarre it's just bizarre to me that you didn't do that because you could have saved yourself and her a lot of worry and a lot of trouble so yeah it's just it was it's weird looking back yeah now that we have the full scope of everything how it was handled it's just weird there's a very strange way to do this whole

thing but i love that she's calling him her ex will not he will never hear me say his name again Yeah. That's great. And as far as her leaving the show goes, I think it was a great season to kind of send her off because we got to see the emotional side of her. They talked about her opening up better anxiety and things like that. I think that went a long way as well. What I didn't need. Because we were done. We were done. But let's make one more Jesse dating joke. So Jesse, you know, she's saying you to go after her. Ha, ha, ha. Lexi's still sitting right there. Can we have a little bit of fucking respect? It just shows you nobody, including Andy, has the shit. They just do not care. They're so over it, but they've already given Jesse. Like, I get it if you're over it and you just want to move forward and you can make jokes here and there. By doing that joke at the end, you're just confirming, hey, Jesse, you dodged a huge bullet and you get an absolute past.

I know that, you know, the Bravo fans, they're in a much better place than the people on the cast are. They're still going to go after them. They're still going to say he's cringy. They're still going to comment on everything that he does because it doesn't really matter. When some dude is acting like that on Bravo, you're always going to get shit. Whether or not they like the person that you just messed up, they're still going to give you shit. So he's still going to get dragged for a bit. But I don't know.

I mean, we're going to keep our ear to the ground, of course. We're probably going to get a lot more summer house news in the next couple of weeks before they start filming. I would imagine, yeah. I would imagine we'll get a confirmation of the cast. There was a whole weird thing. I don't even know if you saw this because you were down in Texas where somebody, just used AI to make a Carl leaving summer house post and said, whoa, I saw this, posted it on Twitter. I read it real quick and I was like, I guess it kind of makes sense, didn't really

double check. And then later when I'm like, all right, steals in Texas, let me go post on Instagram. I couldn't find it anywhere. And then I finally found a couple hours later that he posted and said, yeah, now that's fake. I'm coming back. I was like, oh, that's kind of funny. All right, whatever. So I don't know. It's a little murky. But I think that this if I had to guess this is probably going to be the last season of Summerhouse as we know it after that they're going to reshape retool

I would imagine we're going to see a hybrid this year of what they're going to try to transition into if they want to include Lindsay which they do we're going to see a lot more city life because they're going to be able to yeah that's that's perfect for me but you know we had the rumors that Kyle

got a residency at one of the bars up in the Hampton somewhere so he's going to be doing DJing so he's going to be in the Hamptons I don't know what the fuck Sierra is going to do without page there that's going to be very interesting she's going to have to stand on her in two feet and I'm not being a Sierra hater just for being a hater I know there's more to her let's just see how this goes

but I don't know it will have to see what goes on and who comes back and who stays and who gets the boot yeah it's going to be interesting to watch a little shake out we will keep you posted if we get any inside info that we're allowed to share sometimes you get nuggets here and there so if we do hear something we'll pass it your way don't you worry baby birds always looking out for you but uh let's get to some questions did you put questions up we're not going to do questions tonight look it's a long fucking day okay long thing like it was like i came right in from the car and got in there i didn't do shit here you go here's here's something this is all i got for you uh benjy zach's boyfriend uh from the valley

to the triple dipper story and he said you only live once there's that's in lieu of questions i will say the responses that we got vanita also responded and said do it so we got a lot of support for a lot of support for the triple dip yeah oh i got one person said no should i just do that read some uh triple dipper responses no someone said do it uh i'll do one more is there like a funny one that is just fun from Jamie Gibbs just had lunch at Chili's with my parents and even talked about the bros so it was meant to be hell yeah if we become synonymous with triple dippers dude i need i need a chili sponsorship so guys if you're still listening to this for whatever reason you haven't tuned out just at Chili's and just tell them tell them about a minute that's the new

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