Bros & Shows - Please Don't Make Us Side with Lala (The Valley Full Recap S3E8)
Episode Date: May 22, 2026What's up bros? We're finally at our favorite time of the week, the time that we get to rant and rave about how incredible this show is....oh wait, I'm thinking of literally any other show than The Va...lley. Boy what a deep dark stupid show we have on our hands. There's just no excuse to be highlighting this behavior on TV and even worse, we have to talk about it for an hour every week. Rightfully so, we go after Danny (again) the majority of the episode, but the worst part is, we have to agree with Lauren from Utah! We hate it here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Not in a million years did I think I'd be sitting here saying Team Lala ever in my whole life.
For all of the years, I watched Vanderpump rules, all of the years I watched the aftermath of it,
watching her wiggle her way into this cast at no point did I think I would sit here in this chair
and go hashtag Team Lala.
But here we are.
Yeah, two episodes in a row as well.
I mean, I really thought that we were going to see an implosion because we were praising her last week.
Now, obviously, it's very easy to take the side that Lala took, but I figured that she would find a way to fuck it up or she'd find a way to, you know, tough guy Lauren's going to come out and piss us off.
But no, I mean, I don't know.
Look, this is my favorite time of the week.
We get to talk about the Valley.
It's I just afford to it every fucking week.
I love the reverse psychology.
As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos.
Oh, man, it's 8 o'clock.
And so that'll make it a.
I don't need the spotlight.
I shine just fine.
Hi, I'm Karma.
And yes, I am a bitch.
Brov Bros.
Good afternoon, everybody.
Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros.
Your favorite podcast from The Bros.
For everybody, for whoever wants to listen,
I'm your co-host, St.Rustle Russell,
joined as always by the one and only Sandy A Goots.
What's up, dude?
Sandy A, Sandy A-Gootz.
Sandy O-Gootz.
Sandy O-Gootz.
Um, yeah, I, oh, wow, the valley.
What, what, what, what more to say about a show that just captivates you every single week?
It's highly entertaining.
You're rooting for everybody.
You're just having a great time.
They teach me something about myself every week.
Uh, I don't think I, about how you don't want to be.
I fucking hate this show.
I can't, I can't hide it.
I, I just don't get it.
And I really don't understand it.
And the appeal makes zero sense to me what they're trying to do in the editing.
room makes no sense to me it's affecting other shows this is my problem it's affecting other shows
i get so excited i woke up this morning i watched soho first because i actually enjoyed that show
and then i had to mentally prepare myself with a coffee and a half before i got into the valley
which i think is actually counterproductive because then i'm like hyper aware yeah you don't have
too agitated yeah yeah i'm already kind of just starting on 10 but i think it is seeping into
other shows because the way they pose this like yes the content is already rough enough with danny
the way the things you're going with Nia, the way he's talking to Nia, he's just a complete piece of shit.
And then they add more layers of editing on top of it to make it even worse.
It's like, dude, like you don't need to do this.
And it just shows me that you're really focusing in on this and you want this to be a main storyline.
I just don't understand the appeal of it when reality TV is supposed to be the illusional people that are like making us laugh and making, yeah, I mean, there's going to be moments where you cry, you laugh, you do whatever.
But you should never be having visceral reality.
actions to people on TV and having discussions of get this person off my screen because they are
bad for me. It just doesn't make any sense. But I don't want to talk about the Valley right now because
we're going to talk a lot about the valley. I want to focus on the future. I want to focus on
the bright lights of Love Island because I just want to let's just take this time. It's a little
housekeeping. We want to let you guys know. We've got our formula down. We don't know exactly which days
are going to be off days. But if they follow the typical schedule, they'll have after sun on Saturday.
and we'll have a break on Wednesday.
So we're going to be covering the episodes from Sunday to Tuesday on Wednesday.
We'll get that released as soon as possible.
Sometimes it might be Wednesday night, sometimes Thursday morning.
And then we'll also do the end of the week update, which will be released probably on Monday morning.
So just to give you guys a heads up, we'll have two episodes a week of Love Island in perpetuity.
Throughout the season, we are going to be gassed by the end of it per usual.
But I think we're a little bit better.
We flex those muscles last year.
They were muscles that we weren't really used to using.
but I think we're in good shape.
Yeah, we know how to do it now.
We also know what a full season of it entails.
And because so much happens in every episode,
we do a good job, I like to think, of covering everything.
And this setup allows us to do that.
But there's also a lot of new people here,
given our summer house recaps, a lot of newbies have joined,
which we love, welcome to the broad pros.
But just to give everybody a little update,
that's how we're going to do.
things we are both very much looking forward to it.
It's going to be a lot of fun to cover.
It always is until like the last half,
last quarter gets really,
it's a slog through.
It's a lot because I can watch every single night.
But that was also due,
I think, to it kind of taken a weird shift last season,
like midway through like the Huda stuff and all that kind of deviated from the
fun part of it.
It got really weird at the end of it with Huda and Chris, right?
Yeah, it was Huda and Chris,
which that was probably the only thing that made me laugh towards the end was
her asking.
Yeah,
singing while they're breaking up and Huda asking Chris if he's going to come back and
help her across the water.
He's like,
no,
I don't know.
No,
go fuck yourself.
So,
yeah,
it did get weird towards the end.
Hopefully they fixed a couple of things.
I think all of us were,
the majority of us anyway,
that watched last year were upset by all of the micro-influencers that were very
clearly just using this.
It was everyone trying to launch their careers.
I get it.
And like I understand there is a time and place for that and it's called Netflix.
Like that is the time and place for it.
It's those weird quirky shows that pop up on Netflix.
Go build your career over there.
Love Island should actually be like, yes, it's still going to be a stepping stone, obviously.
But I don't want it to be so overly produced.
And look, I want to have fun with how many people are going to get kicked off for the things that they've done because Love Island people don't research the past apparently.
Like those are the things that are going to be very interesting to talk about.
And then obviously, you know, all the ongoing.
with the show. So we're excited to cover it.
Not the ongoings.
Yeah, there's ongoing.
Are just everywhere we look.
But yeah, we're really excited to cover that and not very excited to cover the Valley.
So I thought that was a good, you know, a little back.
Warm me up a little bit.
I think another part now that's going to be interesting.
I'm glad that we're airing in the city at the same time as the Valley because it's
two similar shows, but two very different shows.
It's Danny Pellegrino talked about it in his podcast.
There's something aspirational about in the city.
It's New York.
It's vibrant.
It's fun.
Obviously, we have to get through the Amanda Kyle stuff.
We're just going to drag us down a little bit.
But it's just more exciting.
Like, ooh, we're popping around the city.
Like, ooh, this is fun.
Like, ooh, we're grinding, but we're having fun.
We're working hard.
We're playing hard.
Yeah.
The valley's just like, it's just depressing.
Like, there's no way to say it.
It really is.
I mean, it is just, like,
I don't know what these couples would be up to without the reality TV show.
I don't know.
We've talked about it before.
Yeah, I mean, I think they would be.
I think in some regards,
they'd be getting divorced.
I think with like Jackson,
Brittany,
they might still be together if it wasn't for this show.
Hey,
there's so many different weird nuances that go into it.
Yeah,
I know.
There is just like so many different things that go into the valley.
And it's just,
it's depressing.
It really is.
There's no other way to look at it.
It's not fun.
It's not exciting.
It's not like,
you're not on,
the edge of your seat at any point.
You're just waiting for it to be over.
And that's really what it is. And I don't really
understand that I hope somebody can probably explain
it to me like, explain to me what makes
this show good because we're in the realm
right now.
And like you can get out of my face with that
bullshit because it just doesn't make any sense.
Like nobody likes to watch.
I understand there's scripted television that is really
depressing and you're like, wow, this makes me feel something.
It's like, okay, I kind of get that. Not my vibe
at all. But watching reality is
it shouldn't be this depressing.
It just really shouldn't.
So I don't know.
We're back in the space of this show is doing better than other shows for us,
because people just probably tune in to hear us rip Danny apart.
But we're not having a great time, guys.
We're just not.
So, you know, take what you will from that.
Yeah.
And, like, I don't want to raid on your parade if you're enjoying it.
Like, I do get it, right?
Like, there's different shows for different folks.
If you are liking this because of the realism, fine.
Our gripe with it is not that it's too real.
Okay, that's fine.
It's the fact that we continue to only highlight shitty behavior.
We're only highlighting Danny and Nia and him being a monster.
And then I have to go on Twitter and see these hyper religious idiots that are defending Danny.
Like, I don't want to see that that are tearing Lala apart because it's not her business.
Shut up.
If he's talking to his wife in front of everybody like that, it's their business.
That's what happens when you're in a big house with a lot of people.
And Lala has every right to defend herself, to defend Nia, to check Danny, because none of the dudes have the balls to check Danny.
He's just walking around like a monster and a wig.
So like it's just this perfect storm of like negative male behavior being highlighted by a bad producer in Jeremiah, which we've seen time and time again.
if we were seeing this shit plus, you know, Luke and Doty, like finally getting the grip of things,
like finally understanding the parenting thing, watching them kind of come out of this hole of the first three months of parenting, which is rough.
Now they're in a nice place.
We don't get the balance.
That's what's wrong with this show.
There's no balance.
It's all dark.
It's all negative.
It's been building since the show premiered because they found success in all of the dark.
stuff. Now they're just leaning way too heavy on it. We want some reprieve in there. I can see
Danny and Nia and their miserable marriage that they don't want to show on screen, which is
another big thing we need to talk about. If you then sprinkle in happy stuff, fun stuff.
But like even the fun scenes quote unquote like Zach with giant fake boobs and like them
fucking around on the table, like all that's like ha ha funny. Then you see Danny make it weird.
like the way that his his face like the way that he he slaps her or slaps her boobs slap sacks boobs makes me
uncomfortable like i don't want to watch it anymore i don't know it's just there's an imbalance on
this show of dark shit versus like happy moments and if they were able to balance that out i think
it'd be a little bit more watchable but i'm with you and to the people out there they're going to tell
us like this is real life fine if you like it i'm not shitting on you but this is our opinion of the
show. It's taking a weird dark turn. You can literally trace this from season one.
Yeah. It's just been slowly going further into it. I think given what's going on,
especially this season, now it's very clear to me that last year we were watching different
watch what happens lies. Every time they were talking about the Valley, whenever something
was happening. Andy would refer to it as the darkest show on Bravo. They leaned into that. That's what
they wanted. That is absolutely what they wanted because they wanted the dichotomy of having something
like that and then balancing it with something like Soho, which seems light and fun.
And yeah, there's some very heavy moments on Soho, but they are a very well-balanced show where you can go
from a good scene with Joe and Maddie.
You can go from a good scene with Brad and Julia right into some heavy shit with Emmy or some
heavy shit with what Michaels is going through and then come right back.
So it makes you feel good.
And it also shows you that.
And that's all about the production crew.
That's all about the producers.
And when you go back to the Valley, it's like, give me something.
Just give me a goddamn reprieve.
Like there's one reprieve from this episode and it's still dark.
Like it really is.
Like them playing basketball, that scene was a reprieve for me because it was so fucking
bat shit crazy that that just happened that it kind of distracted me from all of the other
dark shit going on.
You do need that balance.
You absolutely need that balance.
But they're leaning so heavily into it because they want it to be that because they
think that we want it to be that.
And all I see online is people talking out against it.
Like we shouldn't be watching this.
And I know if you have a casting issue with somebody like Dan,
you just have to get them off.
So if we come back next year and they still have another season, which I don't know if they
will, but if they have another season and Danny's not there, then they're making active changes.
They're at least trying to get people off.
And I get if the person is actively on the show, you do have to show what's going on.
Fine.
But you can have control over how you show it.
You can have control over how the narrative is displayed.
Right now, it just looks like you're highlighting the shitty behavior.
You want us to talk about that.
You want everybody to talk about that.
And all we're getting is pretty much the same shit.
it like every conversation we have about Danny and Nia on the show is the same conversation
that we've had for three seasons.
Nothing has changed.
It's gotten worse.
So do something about it.
That's all we ask.
Well,
what they decided to do and then we'll jump into this episode is,
well,
Jax has gone.
How do we replace him?
Danny.
They're going to plug and play Danny as the Jack's role.
And it's like,
well,
that's not working,
at least not for us and for a lot of people out there.
And again,
my big issue is then I go on social media and I see people defending it.
I'm like, how the fuck are you on Danny's team?
That is insane to me.
That's the funny thing is I was, I think I was cutting one of our episodes last night.
It was 20 of nine.
The Valley starts at 9 p.m. Eastern time.
Danny had already posted an apology to Nea.
I know.
Put it on his story.
I have it screenshot it.
I'm actually going to read it right now because fuck him and I don't really give a shit.
He also did not go and watch what happens live because he had a quote unquote opportunity he couldn't miss,
which is just all that says to me is I'm a giant pussy and I don't want to go face the music in New York.
Absolutely.
So his apology, his story, he didn't even post to post.
He put a story up to the person I love most, my beautiful wife.
I am so sorry.
Watching these last few episodes back hasn't been easy.
It was a difficult season of life and a version of myself that I'm embarrassed by and not proud of.
A short fuse, stress, alcohol, and lack of sleep are never a good combination.
But that's not an excuse.
That sounds a lot like an excuse.
It sounded like an excuse.
Yeah.
I should never have taken any of it out on you.
Balancing parenthood and life can stretch you in ways you don't fully realize until you see yourself
through a different lens.
I love, honor, and respect you deeply.
And I did not show that in some of these moments.
Nia, I love you so much.
I'm grateful for you, our family, and this beautiful chaotic life we've built together.
I thank God for you every day.
Go fuck yourself.
Honestly, just seriously.
Just like bend over and go.
fuck yourself because that's such bullshit.
We talk about it all the time.
The dickheads who put these long
paragraph stories up about their
beautiful wife and their beautiful life
together. All of us know when we
read that, oh, you cheated on your wife.
Oh, you're a piece of shit and you did something
wrong. You don't put that out on
social media for everybody
else to see how much you love your wife. You put it out on
social media to say to your wife, which is wrong
by the way, hey, I love you so much. I'm willing
to show everybody how much I love you. That's
all it is. It's literally, it's
an empty compliment. It's an empty
form or showing of love.
It's bullshit. It's
totally an utter bullshit.
And I just can't handle it anymore. I really
can't. Like this guy needs to fuck off.
Yeah. Seriously. Like I can't stand
him. I don't think that
given what we watched last season,
right? And this dark Danny started to
come to the surface. We started to recognize things
more. You can't
then a year later
apologize for all the same shit that you did last year.
That to me is an empty, empty apology.
You're not making changes.
You're not doing anything different.
You are trying to save face because we're watching you do it.
That's all that's happening.
If you actually cared, you would have gone to watch what happens live.
You would have sat there and got grilled by Andy and answer these tough questions.
You didn't.
I know it seems silly like, oh, watch what happens live is the barometer of if you care or not.
But that is a thing.
It's like you didn't go face the music.
you had quote unquote a big opportunity you couldn't miss this is your job and like a bullshit
story saying the same shit you said last year when you got caught is not going to move the needle
if anything it's like you said all you're doing is highlighting like wow you are a tremendous
piece of shit even in your real life like boo boo boo this man tomato tomato but let's jump in
uh there's not a whole lot to really dig into it's more of the same but we start out with
the continuation of the San Diego drag pageant, if you will, and Danny and Lala are still
chirping at each other.
Lala, again, I don't understand anybody out there.
And there's plenty of people defending Danny's side of the street, which is fucking
banana land to me.
Lala has every right to step in.
And here's my reason why.
If, let's say Jason was there and Jason stepped up and Jason was checking Danny, nobody
would have an issue.
Nobody would be saying stay out of their marriage.
But because Lala's a woman, now we're going, why?
She shouldn't talk.
And Danny's saying to her, like, you don't have, you have no right to comment on this.
She does because you brought up to the entire house.
You started yelling at your wife in front of everybody.
And you can't say it's because I'm competitive.
What are you talking about?
You weren't competing when you're at the theme park and you're being a dick to her.
What was the competition in that?
So it's not your competitive.
You're just a fucking dick.
Yeah.
That's all he is.
He's a complete bag of dicks and not being used with Liz's feet.
He is just an utter bag of dicks.
So I agree with you.
I totally agree with you.
I agree with Lala.
Lala stepping in.
This is a shared house thing.
I mean,
go to other shared houses.
Go to winter house,
go to summer house,
whatever you want to look at,
or pretty much any housewife trip.
If somebody has an opinion of something else,
something else that's going on,
this is not just reality TV.
This is like,
if you're on vacation with a couple who is fighting and
fighting and fighting and fighting and you have had enough, you can step in, you can say at least make a
comment.
The problem was she made a comment and calmly asked him, which is very weird for Lala, calmly asked
him to not talk to his wife like that because it's making her uncomfortable.
He then lashed out at her.
That is anger problems.
That's drinking problems.
That is a lot of problems.
And then goes back to berating his wife about lashes and hair for a drag pageant that you
didn't even know about until 20 minutes ago.
This dude's a fucking joke.
He is an absolute joke.
joke. Like I just, I don't know what more to say. Like there are there, there's words that are not
created yet that I'm going to try to create to explain how much of a dick this guy is.
I like that. That, that'll be fun to watch. But we get to the drag show, which was fun.
I enjoyed this. But like, again, the dark cloud of Danny hanging over it brings it down.
Like everybody else is having fun. It's light. It's, it's just like a good time. You got Jesse.
I appreciate all the dudes taking it somewhat seriously. Like they put they're all into it. Like, love that.
I thought Luke weirdly looked hot.
Good for you, dude.
I love his veil.
His bail was great.
That was so funny.
He's a handsome woman, as you could say.
I wonder if Lala was looking at Luke like, oh, wow, maybe my son will grow up to be beautiful like, Luke.
We need a DNA test.
We absolutely need a, we need a parenting test.
We already had a Mori cameo in, was it Atlanta?
Uh, yeah,
because Pinky was, uh,
was a PA on, on that.
Yeah.
So I would love to have another Mori moment where we'd find out of Luke is the father
of Wallace child, but it was fun.
We're having a good time.
Danny rounds out the show at the end.
And it's just uncomfortable.
It's weird.
It's dark.
It's not like he's,
I guess you could say this is where the competitiveness comes out.
But it, it just takes a shift.
Everyone else I enjoyed.
I was having.
having a good time. And the minute he walks out there, it's like, okay, we've watched Nia put on this face
where she's going up and being like super duper like, oh my God, guys, like everyone's doing great.
Like judges, are we ready? There's this underlying like, how are we brushing all of this
shit under the rug? How is Lala the only one that's spoken up on Nia's behalf? And now we're
acting like nothing's happening. And then after this, we watch Nia and Danny have a conversation
outside in which Nia is being so calm, so like, hey, which also is, is interesting to me because
it's putting on for the cameras. And that's a problem for me as well, because the minute that it gets
real, the minute that they're going to dive into some shit, we have to listen to them go,
not on camera, take off your mic. Danny's yelling at her to take off her mic as they walk to the
backyard to do this. It's like, guys, sorry that your marriage is fucked and you don't want to
show that on screen.
This is what you signed up for.
We just watched Danny berate her.
Now we're not even going to see this conversation in which she's able to say,
hey,
you are a dick,
you were mean to me.
I said so calmly to you,
Lala was calm,
trying to get her point across of what you were doing
and how it's making everybody uncomfortable.
And instead,
you have a fucking moment and you have to say to your wife,
how dare you talk to me like that?
How dare you say that to me?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Go fist yourself, bitch.
Like, what do you mean?
How dare you?
She was so calm.
And the minute that she has an opinion, don't raise your voice to me.
Oh, God.
Like, I don't understand dudes like this.
And it's 100% because he's four foot six that he's got a fucking complex.
That's why he always takes his shirt off.
You get that scene back at home where he's like, look how strong.
No one gives a shit.
No one cares.
You're a fucking ugly individual inside.
And it's so obvious and apparent that I'm mad at myself last year for ever defending this guy.
Yeah, yeah.
My bigger problem is going back to the pageant while he walks out, like you said, there was a shift.
You can't tell me that these two things can be true at the same time, that no one's going to step up and check him.
None of the dudes are going to say a word to him, but also everybody is uncomfortable.
You can look around the room.
All the other guys in that room are noticeably like, uh, God, Danny's here.
Yep, he's doing the thing.
Okay.
Are we supposed to smile and just kind of move on with our life?
like they're all looking at him very sideways.
So you know that there's a problem and you're not speaking up.
And we talked about it with Jesse last week.
Was that the time for him to step up?
Maybe, maybe not.
Who cares?
But going back to this, it's like, it's very clear to me that everybody knows what's going on.
I'm very confused as when we get back to when we get back to the valley and we're talking about this.
Like some people don't know what actually happens.
That's very bizarre to me.
It's a very small house.
You guys were all in that house together.
You should have heard what was going on.
You guys didn't want to hear what was going on.
And you're actively turning a blind.
and for what?
That's it.
They didn't want to hear it.
They didn't want to hear it.
They just don't because of the way that Danny and Nia portray themselves, because of the
way that they don't talk about things, especially on camera.
They don't talk about things in front of other people.
They have a blow up like this.
You can have an opinion on it at the very least.
I'm not saying you need to go fight him for his wife's honor right in front of everybody,
but you should have an opinion.
There should have been scenes of Luke looking at Kristen like,
what the fuck is going on with Danny, man?
or Jesse pulling Lacey aside and being like, I don't know what to do, honestly.
Like that was really upsetting.
I don't know what to do.
Do I talk to him?
Like there should be scenes like that.
And instead, all we get is crickets and people looking at him sideways.
And I don't understand that.
Not just for reality TV, but also just because he's a huge bag of dicks.
Like make a comment.
Say something.
Like don't actively move away from it.
It's just, it's maddening to me that they do this week in and week out.
Yeah, I don't understand.
I mean, we get more into that later on when we get that lunch scene.
it starts to make more sense.
And it's interesting because we shift after this,
like the ladies go into the room to just kind of debrief.
And it's like La La, Brittany, Janet, and a couple others,
they're all on the same page.
Yeah.
You know, and I think a big issue that happened with checking Danny was how it happened last
year.
And I think it set the tone because Janet cannot say a word.
Correct.
She was still wrong the way she went about it last year,
but she is not wrong about what she thought about Danny.
Correct.
the only caveat.
And she's the only one out of this entire group that gets a pass for this.
Because I don't blame it.
Jason's not there.
Jason left.
If Janet spoke up, it's more of the same.
And you're going to get more of the same that we got last year.
But there's 10 other people in that goddamn room that all know what's going on.
Say a goddamn thing.
Yeah.
And that's what's upsetting is they're talking about it.
And they're all like, well, we can't speak on them because anytime you do.
And that goes back to how Janet approached it last year.
And we've talked about that a lot.
Like we're not saying that she was wrong.
in how she diagnosed everything.
She was wrong in going on TV
and calling him a sexual predator
with no tangible evidence.
If she had the evidence,
by all means,
drag this guy to hell.
We don't care.
But if you're going to make a claim like that
with words that big and you don't back it up,
now you give him wiggle room to escape from everything,
which is what we're watching now.
People are afraid to broach the topic
because you set the tone here.
So now they have this defense of like,
oh, what are you going to call me a predator again because I drink?
Like, that's where we're at.
And that's what sucks.
But we get to the morning after and we get like this bizarre bullshit apology scene where
Nia apologizes first, which is bananas to me.
And then Danny apologized and goes to confessional.
Every time he goes to a confessional, he makes light of what transpired.
Ah, you know, when I drink, I got a short fuse.
But I don't drink a lot.
I don't drink a lot.
And I told you, I fucking told you that this is what he was going to do.
as the problematic drinker.
He was going to use the defensive.
I don't drink that much.
But if you do,
like every month,
if you say you drink once a month,
but this is what happens,
you have a fucking drinking problem.
It's not just because you don't drink daily like I did,
does not mean you're not an alcoholic.
I will never label anybody because it's inappropriate,
but you have a fucking problem at the very least.
And I knew he was going to take the approach of,
I don't drink that often.
Yeah,
but when you do,
you're a fucking monster,
bro.
Like, check yourself.
And like Lala going to him because he goes to apologize to her.
It's like, how the fuck are you going to get mad at Lala who is gently saying like,
hey, I know where you're at.
I can meet you halfway.
I'm not accusing.
I'm not labeling.
I think there's something here.
How dare she say that to me?
How fucking dares you?
You don't say that to me.
But he doesn't have the balls to say it in the moment.
Like, if you're going to be about that life, be about that life.
And I'd never seen Lala tread this carefully.
I just never happened.
It was very impressive.
Like maybe she actually has grown up.
Like maybe we should get rid of all these other valley idiots and just give us VPR part
two.
Like the people who have come over successfully from VPR that were active members of VPR,
not Brittany, not Jacks, not the rest of this crew, everybody else has done really well.
Like Schwartz is lovely.
Schwartz is fine.
Lama has been fine.
Like we're actually on her side this time.
Put Santa ball back in there.
Like I give me that instead of these fucking people because I,
Not only are they boring, but they just don't have enough going on in their lives.
And when they do have something going on in their life, they're problematic.
Like there's a problem.
And that's what we want to highlight.
I just, I don't fucking understand this casting anymore.
But I don't know, honestly, and the way that he goes about that, that apology, if you want to call it that, at the very least, I thought he was going to say, look, I was a little ramped up.
I've been pretty frustrated because I thought we brought the babysitter down here to watch the kids.
And you wanted me to watch the kids.
You wanted to watch the kids.
It took away from our us time.
and I was upset at you and I shouldn't have taken it out on you.
I thought he was going to go that route.
I thought that made a lot more sense.
And I thought that maybe the idiots online that defend Danny would be like, yeah, that kind of makes sense.
Instead, he says, I don't have a drinking problem.
This always happens when I drink, but I don't have a drinking problem.
Okay.
Yeah, sure, buddy.
Whatever you say.
And going back to the night prior, they have a conversation.
And this is a conversation about Nia and Danny, not just Danny.
Correct.
You can't do this.
I'm sorry.
Now, you've been accused of doing this.
You vehemently denied it.
You say sitting down, why are you, if you're taking your microphone off, I still have my microphone on.
We don't have these conversations.
Nia goes to her confessional.
Danny confirms we don't have these conversations in front of other people.
We just don't talk about our problems.
We do that in the comfort of our own home one-on-one where we can actually fix things.
Not in front of other people, i.e., not in front of the cameras.
So you guys are hiding this whole aspect of your life, which again, I don't want to see.
I think you guys should just get divorced and move on with your lives because Danny's a piece.
a shit, but you know, do whatever the hell you're going to do as adults.
But this is more of the same.
This is exactly what Janet was talking about last year.
More of the same of what Janet is accusing you of.
At some point, we're all going to have to look at them.
And this is, I guess, a conversation at the end of the episode.
They're hiding everything.
Like, he's a terrible person.
He's a terrible husband, terrible father.
And he's going to do this and put on a show in front of the cameras and in front
of other people.
Open up your goddamn eyes, everybody.
I think what drives me the craziest, and I try my absolute hardest in every show we watch and in real life to respect people's beliefs.
It's not for me to comment on your religious, spiritual, whatever beliefs.
Okay.
Like, that's your life.
You live your life, whatever.
It gets really difficult to bite my tongue when we're making excuses for this guy via Doty, Danny himself, other people going, you know, they're super religious.
we finally address the religion part of this whole thing because that's all over social media,
but it's never addressed on the show.
But I will not subscribe to this idea that Nia is supposed to be subservient to her husband.
I will not subscribe to this idea that you are allowed to be a massive piece of shit,
but you go to church on Sunday and you are absolved of your sins.
That makes no fucking sense to me.
It's always people like Danny that lean heavy on the fucking Bible and want to pretend like
they're holier than now. And in this instance, you have to watch his wife be a victim of that,
where she is also going like, you know, he's the husband. He's the man of the house. Like,
yeah, she literally treads so lightly around this guy. And I 100% believe it is based on their
faith. And then you have Doty defending it saying, I really look up to them. I'm like, in what way?
I get what you're saying. You don't want to embarrass Luke when you guys get in an argument.
That's fine. But you are fundamentally.
different than Nia and
Danny. You and Luke have respect for one
another. You and Luke are 50-50
and it comes through on the screen.
That's a positive thing. You guys are
working on how you communicate. That's fine.
But the fact that you're like, you know, she goes and
praise on it. About what?
Hey God, my husband keeps
treating me like shit. What do I do?
Oh, bend the knee. Great. Thanks.
Amen. Fuck. Are you shitting me?
Like, that's where it just drives me
fucking crazy and it's just default
to the Bible. Like, no. Yeah.
And it also gives the good Christians, Catholics, whatever religion you follow, whatever religion you're not to.
It gives them all a bad thing.
Right.
You're catching a stray because of them.
Yeah, because then like if you say somebody's a Bible thumber, it's a bad thing, but it could be a good thing for those people who are actually practicing good things in their lives and, you know, treating the other people in their family with respect.
But I don't know.
I think right now it's probably the best time to just take a little break.
I think Steele and I need a little breather.
Yeah.
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Rest of whatever the hell this is at this point.
But before we leave San Diego, Janet asked if Neo wants to go have a conversation in which
she does apologize. And, you know, at this juncture, I do think it's too little too late for
those two and that's okay. All we need is the ability to coexist with these two. And it's at the end of
the day, because of how it was approached last year and the doubling and tripling down of the
predatory comments of the, it's just the verbiage that Janet used. That makes it pretty much
impossible to cross this bridge again, which I get. But again, it's almost like, yes, she was right,
but because of her actions last year,
now we can't even approach this topic with Danny anymore.
I'm getting so fluster.
I can't fucking talk.
I know.
And it's really funny too because you can look at it at this two ways.
We've had a lot of discussions about Janet and her apologies or lack thereof or whatever she does.
They're not great.
They're not great.
They're never great.
But her angle on this could either be, I feel really bad.
I just had to watch this again.
Nia's clearly not the culprit here.
It's all Danny.
Let me go apologize to her.
Maybe it'll make her feel a little bit better.
Maybe it'll bring her a little bit of comfort.
And then we can kind of move on and move forward.
That's the nice approach.
Now, the approach that I think that Janet's taking because this is Janet is, hey,
she's really vulnerable right now because her and Danny just had a rough night.
Let me pull her aside.
And I can probably get an apology out.
And then we can move forward.
And then I can say, look, I had to sit down with Nia and I apologize.
And now I can go back to talking shit on Danny
because I think that's what she wants
and I'm okay with that
because everybody should be talking shit on Danny.
So if she can clear the air with Nia
and just focus singularly on Danny
and then keep all the sexual misconduct
and all those things that she wants to say about Danny aside
and just talk about his drinking
and the way he treats his wife, go for it.
I want everybody on the show to do that.
So this is fine.
Now, you might have a problem with the apology.
You might have a problem with the angle.
Completely your prerogative,
do whatever the hell you want.
Me personally, I'm cool.
I'm fine that they moved up.
Yeah, I don't need this to go on any further.
And, you know, it's 100% that Janet thought maybe just maybe given the night prior.
Yeah.
She's going to see my side of things.
Clearly not.
So that's what I thought was going on.
It was definitely manipulative.
But whatever.
Like, we're able to at least cross this one off.
Like, all right, we can stop talking about this shit.
We can have these two coexist in a space together, which is all we needed to get to.
now I do
first and foremost do not like Janet
I think she's crucial to this show
if this show has a chance in the future
but I would love to see
and I told you so moment from Janet
like something so drastic happens
that she's like mic drop
don't have to say anything I'm fucking told all of you
about this monster here he is
my fingers are crossed that we get there
Jeremiah being at the helm of things
I am just waiting waiting waiting waiting
waiting for this to shift to a redemption arc for Danny.
It's inevitable.
Mark my words.
It's going to happen.
But if we could get a Janet Jason, who again, don't like them at all.
I think they're miserable, but I think they're important to the show, them being more
Janet.
Jason's irrelevant.
But if we can get to and I told you so, I'm into that.
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Somebody messaged us and told us that Jeremiah apparently does a magical teaky ride now out in
LA where he sponsors an event and you go on a, I guess the tiki boat and you just kind of go around.
I don't know if it's Bravo-centric, reality TV-centric, whatever it might be.
I think we should go on it.
I think we need to go on it.
We should get out to international waters and give him a piece of our mind.
Yeah, really, really let him have it.
But you shave your mustache.
I'll grow a mustache or however much of a mustache.
I'll shave mine and then I'll give it to you.
There we go.
Just kind of glue it on.
Yeah, I like that idea.
So he won't know.
And then I'll eat like a burrito before I do it so that you can get some burritos.
I don't want that.
I understand.
No, I don't want to do this anymore.
You ruined this for me.
Thanks, dude.
Anyway, we get back to the Valley.
And Janet and Jason are discussing another baby.
And we get to hear more about Jason's background.
I think he had a bunch of adopted siblings.
Did I hear that correctly?
So they're also thinking about it.
His dad was adopted.
And then they adopted more.
Yeah, which I think is awesome.
So they're exploring multiple routes.
for having another child.
They think that they're ready for it.
So I like that they're addressing that stuff.
Anytime we're talking about positive, you know, child bearing, whatever you want to call it,
I always fuck these words up.
I either say child rearing or fucking something weird.
But I like that we're highlighting like this kind of stuff.
We're talking about adoption.
We're talking about backgrounds, stuff like that.
I always think is cool.
I will learn how to say it better eventually, guys.
I do my best.
I probably won't.
I probably get worse.
But I don't mind these things.
I don't mind these scenes either.
We've gone away from these scenes because of Janet and Jason and their placement in the group and how everybody feels about them.
Everybody on this cast,
except for Danny at this point,
deserves to have scenes like this.
It humanizes people.
We need to know what they're going through.
This is actually reality TV.
We do need to do what's going on in their lives,
not just, you know, Danny.
But, yeah, I don't really have a problem with Jason.
I just think he's a dork.
Like, aside from that, whatever.
Janet is, I don't like it there.
But yeah, useful for the show.
That's pretty much where they are.
So if they're going to throw in scenes like this, go for it.
I don't care.
Yeah, no problem.
But we do get to the guys basketball scene, which was so clearly forced.
Like, hey, you guys are going to play basketball today.
Yeah.
I love that we get the full rundown from Jason.
It's, you know, the stereotypical dude that, yeah, you know, I could have played,
but like, ah, you know, just this things didn't work out in Boston College.
But I played in a mural.
I was in a mural, like, for sure.
And I played basketball at high school.
And of course, he's the one that blows out his stuff.
knee. When he does blow out his knee, which is a very relatable moment for, for people, like,
in their 30s and 40s, you think he can't still do things. You can't quite do it the way he used
to his reaction and everyone's reaction to this. You would have thought he got shot.
Oh, my God. Like, I, I'm so scared to be disabled. Disabled. You fucking tore an ACL. Like,
you're going to be okay. The next three months of my life flashed before my eyes. I'm going to be
disabled. I'm not going to be able to play with my kid. I just don't know. I'm
I'm going to have to have Janet waiting on me and doing everything.
Like, dude, what are you talking about?
You know, you can walk on an ACL tear.
Like, you can't do certain things.
Yeah, you can't do certain things.
You should be okay for a little while.
Getting an ambulance, I thought was fucking hilarious.
I was laughing.
I'm sorry.
You zip them up in that fucking, like, cover.
Yeah, I, like, I'm not laughing at his misfortune.
I'm laughing at the situation.
Like, I think that is just objectively very funny.
Also, Schwartz getting in his face with his camera phone.
Like, it was awesome.
You want me to take a video and set it to Janet?
Dude, what?
No.
I just tore my fucking ACL.
I blew out my knee.
Luke going to his confessional.
He's like,
yeah,
no,
Jason,
uh,
I don't wish that on anybody.
It's just,
it's tough to see.
Like,
what is going on?
Lebrond did go down in the seventh game.
Well,
it's funny.
Yeah,
I know.
It's really funny too,
because like this is the type of show that I,
I will leave on.
I'll turn it to full volume so I can still hear it.
And I'll go,
like,
clean some dishes or I'll make like a cup of coffee.
I'm like,
I need to just walk away so that this isn't going to irritate me
anymore.
when I heard and I was just kind of glancing over at the basketball
because I always like to watch these dudes try to be athletic and they're not
and that happened I was enthralled
this is the most engaged I've been in this show in three years
I have not been even close to this I was glued to the TV through all of this
yeah like you said him getting into a little zip up thing
like it's like a hyperbolic chamber or whatever
it's just incredible to me yeah and like again
we're not in any way laughing at his misfortune like that sucks
truly. It's just the level in which we got to. Like, I know people, I know a lot of people that
fuck their knees up like at this age and it's not the end of the world. You're not, I don't think
you're allowed to claim disability or say I'm disabled because you tore a fucking ACL. Like it's
ridiculous. But now I can excuse it if he was doing that. If like, if he was riding in pain on
the grounds and he was like, I don't know what I'm going to do. If I going to be disabled,
I can excuse that. But that's traumatic. It's a bad experience, but going to your confessional
weeks later, probably after having the surgery, which is funny, too, because I completely forgot.
He was posting on Instagram.
Like, yeah, I got my ACL done.
You'll see why.
I don't really give a shit.
But seeing it in real time, I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess he did have to get knee surgery.
That's fine.
But going to your confessional and talking about it is wild to be.
Yeah, especially in the way in which he discussed it was pretty funny.
But we get to the last scene.
It's Brittany, Zach, Kristen, and Lala having lunch.
I actually thought this was Brittany's best scene overall since he's been on this show.
arguably she gives us a little run down with the jack stuff which i feel for like co-parenting
with him must be a disaster and it has to be difficult to acknowledge the damage that was done to
cruise by by being present for all of the shit that jacks put them through and i i really respect her
for actually acknowledging that on camera like i should have done more and i feel awful about it but
cruz is doing better he's really starting to come out of his shell which is what we all want
So I thought it took a lot of strength forward to like,
she's not sugar-coding it.
She's literally saying like, yeah, it's on me.
I should have done better, but I'm trying now.
I'm like, you know what?
Respect.
Yeah, it's not my place to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.
Jack should have no contact with that child.
I agree.
There's nothing beneficial from their relationship.
Should be a court order get away.
And look, like Brittany said, like he's living his best life right now.
He's, or I'm sorry, it wasn't even, I don't know who said it.
It was la-la.
I think it was Lala, actually.
Doty or Lala.
Yeah, I think it was Lola.
I'm pretty sure it was Lala that said like Jackson is living his best life right now.
He's single.
He gets to go out and bang as many girls as he wants to.
He can do drugs.
He can drink.
And then he still has Cruz and Brittany somewhere.
Like that's all he wants.
That's exactly what he wants.
But take that last part away from it because he shouldn't have them.
No, absolutely not.
And I think Brittany recognizes that.
Like she's really,
I want to think finally turned the corner of he's not going to change.
Correct.
Assuming he is.
And I think she's getting there.
But I did,
I respected her for this scene.
But we get to the Danny and Nia stuff.
And Doty, again, is leaning heavy on the, well, you know, they just keep their problems private.
And I respect that about them.
You know, she goes and praise on it.
Oh, God.
And then, like, they figure it out behind closed doors.
Like, I want to be able to do that with Luke.
Hey, real life, sure.
This is reality TV.
This is what we signed up for.
We need to see these conversations.
They're not being authentic on screen.
All we're seeing on screen is Danny berate his wife.
her submit to it and then them go have a conversation,
which I can only imagine is a hundred times worse
than what we've witnessed on TV.
I don't want to know that's going on.
I don't want to see that.
They shouldn't have a platform.
Get them off of the show.
They're only dragging things down because we circle back.
And I guarantee it's the let's replace Jack's formula.
He was the part.
He was the heart of this show.
How are we going to replace that much negative energy?
Ah, here's Danny.
Let's throw him in the mix.
No.
Can we focus on anybody else?
Focus on Janet and Jason for all I care.
But I don't want to have Nia and Danny and their problematic marriage be the heart of this show.
And I really don't want to hear Doty defend it.
Lala is making all the sense in the world right now.
And people online are going, it's not her business.
Maybe not.
But if not her, then who?
Who's going to step up and keep Nia from getting verbally abused by her fucking husband?
Because nobody's doing it.
Yeah.
Nobody's doing it.
This was a tough one because we know after seeing last week when Danny had a really bad episode, two episodes, three episodes, whatever you want to say, Doty was online defending.
After this one, after this episode, there should be no defense.
After last episode, there should be no defense.
After this one in particular, there definitely should be no defense.
And if you want to take the stance of, I didn't know that was going on, you know, they keep their things private.
I really is not true.
Which is like, fine.
Like, if we don't have footage of it, you can't convince me otherwise.
but you should still be listening to Lala.
And that's when Doty shuts down.
That's when she completely shuts everything out and turns a blind eye.
Like you can see it in real time in this conversation.
Oh, they would never do that.
Danny would never do that.
Danny's a good guy.
He's not.
He's just,
he's simply not a fucking good guy.
Like I just,
I can get why you would think like maybe Lala's exacerbating.
Maybe she's exaggerating about what's going on.
And you kind of have those reservations and you go to your confessional.
You're like, look, I don't want to believe Lala.
But if other people are.
saying it, that it must be true. That's the conversation that you should be having.
Defend your friends on camera to Lala if you think that she's being shady and then go to your
confessional and say, look, I mean, if it happens, it happens. We'll have to deal with it. If I ever
see it, it's going to be a problem, something along those lines. But to see that and then also
know in real time that you're online defending other people, defending Danny, you can defend Nia.
That's fine. I mean, I think she's a very, very small part of a completely different problem.
But Danny's the big problem here. You should not be on.
online defending because now other people are going to turn on you.
We're watching this.
We're seeing this happen.
And then we're going online and watching you defend him.
It reflects poorly upon you.
People are not going to want to film with you.
They're not going to want to talk to you or root for you while you're on these shows.
So it's just a really fucking bad look at the end of the day.
Yeah.
And I love Doty.
I think she's done a great job coming back on screen over the past couple of years.
Like it's not what I expected.
And I like this version of her.
But I don't, I don't like the defense of Danny.
Like again, you're telling us to ignore what we're watching and believe you.
No, I've seen him be too miserable for me to just agree with what you're telling me.
Like, I have the experience now.
I've seen him in his element and it's not good.
So the defense of him is is indefensible, honestly.
Yeah.
Let's get to some questions.
I'm curious what these look like.
Well, I was, before we even get to the questions, I was really confused on where Brittany and
Zach stand on all of this because you have.
Oh, yeah.
We didn't talk about it.
Talk about that.
Yeah, because you have Brittany talking about it.
And it's like, okay, it seems like you're also kind of turning a blind eye.
But then she's talking about how Zach has not known Danny for that long.
So he shouldn't be defending him.
But then Zach isn't defending Danny.
So I'm really confused.
Like which side are they are defending.
He's going, what did he say?
You just don't like Nia is his defense.
Like you just don't like Nia.
that's where this is coming from and brittany to her credits like no that's not fair like she's
witnessed these things too she's speaking out about her has tried to and then she ends it with i'm never
going to talk about them again then and this is yeah this is the problem that has been set up in the
group is like i don't know why we protect danny i have no idea it makes no sense to me he's not like
some big public figure in which it's like oh god we can't say bad things about danny and nea fuck
that any other person on this show any other show think about like
if this was Rhode Island or a housewife show.
Like everyone would be crucifying Danny.
No pun intended.
But in this instance, it's like, oh, no, no, no, God forbid we talk about him.
I thought Zach's defensive and was actually kind of shocking.
And it wasn't like a staunch defense of Danny.
It was just more like, you're making a mountain out of a mole hill because you don't like them.
It's like, that's not fair.
That's not fair.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I agree with that.
Now we can get to some questions.
from Angie Fox.
Are the producers trying to make all the men look bad
so they can bring Jacks back?
Oh God.
Maybe.
I hope not.
I really hope not.
They're like,
yeah,
these guys are just as bad,
so we can have him back,
right?
Jeremiah is probably like sleeping with Jacks.
He lives in Jacks's townhouse.
Yeah.
Meg Norm,
statement,
but a good statement.
You know you suck when you issue a public apology to your wife.
Yep.
Yeah.
Uh, re hindeliter.
Are we Mark Wahlberg?
Nia and Danny are Eva Mendez and Will Ferrell and the other guys.
No.
I don't know.
No, I see what you're.
I love another guy's reference, but yeah, no, I don't think I'm on that one.
Yeah, no, that, that's disrespectful to gator.
Yeah.
Uh, from Stevie Mac.
Do you actually believe Kristen has never seen Danny act like that towards Nia before?
No, I actually don't believe that she's never seen it.
She's definitely seen it in turn to blind eye.
That's what I'm getting.
Correct.
Here we go.
underscore C.A.G.
Thank God for Lala speaking up and Janet ditching herself,
righteous approach.
What is happening?
The two that I had the least faith in moving this show along.
Yeah.
I mean, Janet, we talked about her apology and where it was coming from.
So she's not changing.
But Lala being at the forefront of the right side of history is not something I had in
the cards.
No, not at all.
It's been a very interesting season as far as that stuff goes.
A lot of the same questions are popping up.
Let's see.
Oh, this is a good one.
77 Kare Bear 44.
I didn't realize it last week,
but the last two episodes really made me feel icky.
Not sure I can watch anymore.
That's what we've been saying.
We called this in episode two,
and we got a lot of shit for it.
And we stood firm.
We said, watch, it's going to go downhill.
Lo and behold, you guys are coming around.
Better late than never.
But, yeah, I hear you.
It's taking a turn even more so than it was of,
this is not fun to watch.
We don't need to be seeing these things.
And yet we're highlighting them as the centerpiece of the show.
Yeah.
This is a fun one from all hellbales.
Which man did you all find most attractive in drag?
I think we said that it was Luke.
Luke, I think.
I don't think Jesse looked that bad either.
The Edna Mode reference from the Incredibles on Schwartz was my favorite.
That was awesome.
But yeah, I think Luke was the prettiest.
Oh, I love this from full.
of a tuk. I didn't even read the rest of the
question. I just love the... Great name.
Week old tinfoil
hat theory. We love a tinfoil hat
theory. I think Lala and Sheena's
feud is fake to get Sheet on next season.
Fine. Probably.
Fine. I didn't say Sheena can come.
I said everybody else. I actively
avoided adding Sheeta into that. At this
juncture with this show, I don't
care. Bring her back. Who
fucking cares? Here's
the thing. You can bring back Sheena
and Brock as long as you give
sandival yeah yeah that's fair it's a package deal uh from sarah d hancock in case you missed it jeremiah
started running a tiki boat where he performs magic magical tiki dot l a so everybody go on there and
everybody leave comments about how terrible the valley is and how he should lose his job for us please
and we'll thank you you can tell him that we sent you i don't give a shit oh god i hate this guy
i hate him so much it's hard for me i try to be a nice person it's hard for me i try to be a nice person it's
for me to posthumously, if that's not really applicable, but to not meet somebody, not,
to me, for me to not meet somebody and hate them is like hard.
But fuck Jeremiah.
From Jennifer M2M, fully co-signing on the hate watch, Danny is vile, but Nia's complacency
is just as bad.
We've had a lot of conversations about that.
That's just not something that I'm going to really dig into because no, me neither.
Defends and talk about how bad Danny is.
But yes, there is something to say.
if that's your feeling on what knee is doing,
absolutely fine.
I'm not going to stop anybody for that.
This is my point.
I agree.
C-right fam 6.
Did Danny smacking Zach's boobs cause anyone else to gag?
Yeah.
It takes such a weird shift when he's involved.
It's not fun anymore.
It's like dirty, gross, and like,
icky and dark.
I do not like it at all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I saw one more.
Oh, you go.
Go ahead.
I was just going to end on this one for you because this is probably for
you mostly from j bay the hut seven one three how much did you want to punch dany this episode
i don't even want to punch him anymore i want to open palm bitch slap him allegedly
figuratively whatever i have to say that i'm getting trouble i want to spread my fingers and
fucking open palm smack this dude metaphorically into next year god he fucking needs it i wish lala
would clock his ass i know that would be bad for the show
for her but damn it you can tell that some people have never been punched in the face you can tell
and he's one of them but who there is something therapeutic about discussing this show i will say
yeah it does make me feel better but uh yeah i don't know guys i don't know what we look forward to
in the future i don't know what the show looks like in the future i think that danny and nea need
to get off this show if it has any shot i think they need to get off and i never thought i would
say this, but given the performance of Lala and Schwartz, bring back some of the VPR cast and
see what we have because this is not working.
Yep.
Well, we told you guys, you'd come around.
It took eight episodes, but you're with us now, and that feels good.
But that's all I got.
You got anything else?
Nope.
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