Bros & Shows - Porsha Gonna Porsha & Rum Problems (RHOA Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

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black and Drew's date? Yeah, that was the selling point. It was getting black off the phone. And now you're like, all right, now we're back. We're good. He's no longer on the phone. He's there. That's all good and well for me.

Atlanta's back. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. Oh man, it's 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a... I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch.

Brov Bros. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Brav Bros. Your favorite podcast from the Bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by Georgia Goots. What's up, dude? God, you wanted to say good evening so much. I know you thought that.

Yeah, I could feel that. So look, whatever time you're listening to this, if it's not the evening, if it's not the afternoon, I don't know what you're doing. You have to wait. You have to wait. Steele made that very clear. It's a thing. It's only good afternoon. It's my thing. I don't know.

I will literally stop mid-sentence and look outside sometimes. Be like, is it evening? You just did that. You just did that. No, I looked at the clock. Too bright. And it's 5.04, but it's like, it's still too bright to call it evening. Correct.

This is evening in January. This is afternoon in April. So, uh, you get it. It actually has nothing to do with time. Yeah, I guess Atlanta's back. It's just right now it's just such an enjoyable show. It's falling into the category. Like, I mean, I think Rhode Island is the best housewife show out right now.

Atlanta is so enjoyable. Like they're, I'm not going to even put them against each other. I'm just going to be happy to be here. I agree. I think they're both doing their own thing in their own ways. And they're both so fantastic. like we haven't had, I'm hard pressed to remember

when we've had two housewife shows going concurrently that are both this good. Because Rhode Island's obviously killing it. Atlanta, look, I was not confident after last season. I wasn't totally out either.

We had talked a lot about them having the pieces and they weren't far away. Just that season was kind of wacky with all the Kenya bullshit. I was not expecting this. Like, I am delighted. Kay Michelle is a fucking rock star.

Pinky is awesome. Everyone else is bringing it in like the best way possible. There's not this underlying note of like old tension, which I felt like we had last year with some of the, the OGs. It's just, it feels fresh. It's fun.

It's exciting. And it's funny. It's so fucking funny. Yeah. Like the comedy factor is unmatched when it comes to Atlanta. It's always going to be funnier than all the other shows. I think the two things. One, obviously, Portia is going to Porsche.

I mean, she's up to her old shit, like instantly. It just matters in a group like this, how everybody's going to respond to it. And I thought the Kay Michelle, for her, you know, it being her first season for being a housewife, her response was incredible. Like, yeah, let me just wait. I'm just going to wait on that. I don't feel like I got a lot of shit going on. Let me just wait.

And then I'll sit down and have a one-on-one conversation with her. But the big glaring, the big toe that's just. standing fucking front and center of this cast right now. It was a mistake. Addin Shimea as a housewife last year. She is not a good housewife, man. She sucks. Hey, look, I think she's a very nice person.

I think she's great. Her scenes are such a stark contrast from everybody else. I'm so happy to bop around and see what's going on. Even Kelly, I want to see what's going on in Kelly's life with the chicken and waffles. Like, I love chicken and waffles, and she's entertaining a shit. She's funny. Everyone

else has such a good thing going. you get to Shamea, I'm like, what is this? Did you write a script for your husband? And it's not going well. And your rum company, like, it's so bad. It is so bad. It is a glaring issue. But I do think, one, it's not going to ruin the show at all.

I think I'm already turning into a, oh, this is going to be funny. This is going to be a funny scene with Shia because it is forced. It just doesn't work. The people in the group don't even really like her that much. It's, I know what they did last year. I think it was a smart move adding her last year. year, but they tried to make her front and center. It gave her some sort of like complex maybe even, which I think would have been there

regardless because she was just kind of waiting for so long to be a housewife. She finally got it. I think we were going to get what we got last year regardless. But this year, you have so many stars on this show. And then you go over to Shamea, it's like, oh, no. Oh, God. I don't care. Yeah, it just, it is so obviously overproduced.

She's, she's putting way too much thought and. to what she's saying. It seems like you said. Did you write a script for this? It's such a, you can feel it because everyone else is being authentic. Like you're getting the most out of the rest of the cast. To her,

what's the word? I mean, that detriment. Yeah, because it highlights just how much she is trying. You know, like you cut from, like you said,

other scenes, they all have a great flow, like a great flow. I feel like I'm just watching real life in like the best, way possibly. You get to Shemian, it's like someone slams on the brakes. You're like, whoa, this is like a total left turn. Yeah. And I think what it is is like when I look around the cast and they have those scenes where it's a one-on-one scene and you're the only housewife in the scene and you're with your family or you're even just by yourself. Like a lot of them have

earned that already. They've already earned the right to have those scenes where we're still invested. I love her one-on-ones. Her one-on-ones. I did say yesterday. I actually don't even remember what we were covering yesterday. There's too many shows on Bravo right now. But I did say yesterday I got an inkling that somebody's going to get divorced. I think Pinky and I think Pinky's going to get divorced. I'm starting to call. I am starting the countdown to divorce because that marriage does not look great to me.

But I might be proven wrong. You know, you only get a brief glimpses into people's marriages on these shows. But I don't know. There's one person out there that always says that I'm wrong. So if that I'm going to have a fucking parade if that ends up. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a divorce.

I shouldn't be celebrating. But I have to have a parade if I'm right about that one. But yeah, everybody else has earned the right to get those scenes. And then Shemia just hasn't. Like last year was a catastrophe for Shemia. She was awful to watch. This year I thought maybe she'd have a little more going forward. Like, all right.

Yeah, let me. I stumbled. I had a huge stumble last year. I was too excited. I gave her that. She came into this season. I'm like, no, no, no. You have not gotten the right to have two full scenes about just your own storyline with your husband.

and then your rum company. Like, no, you have to work to get that rum company. You can't just try to launch a rum company. What are you doing? And you have no idea what you're doing. I mean, I told you when we did our first episode of this season, I said last year by Bravo putting her front and center has doomed her as a housewife. Even I'm not going to say, I agree with you.

I mean, all signs point to this is what we would get. But we don't know, like if she'd come in in a smaller capacity, but by giving her that much power in one season, this is going to happen because she's going to try to reclaim that role. But you can't because this cast, I don't know who's at the head. Honestly, I know that Portia is who they're putting there,

but she's not running the show right now by any means. Like everybody, it's a very good ensemble cast right now and it needs to stay that way because it's going so well. So I do think that's going to be a very, very obvious standout for this season. But like you said, I do not think it's going to take away from the show because everyone has to do so well. But it's going to stick out.

Like we're going to know it. It's two things. Like I'm okay with the one off scenes. Like it's almost like a bit of a reprieve in a completely different way than we're used to where you go from a very heavy, hard hitting scene or an incredibly funny scene to a Shimea one-on-one scene. It's like, okay, yeah, I can kind of take a break here. I know what's happening. I can already tell you what's going to happen in the scene so I can just kind of rest my eyes for a little bit and get back into the action shortly. Or she's going to show up in a group

setting and I have no doubt, like there's no doubt in my mind that she's not going to be able to take the stage in a group scene if she doesn't want to get knocked back down because there's way too many heavy hitters in this cast for her to try to continue to shine without getting bopped. So I don't know. It's it's not going to take away from the show at all. No, and it's interesting. There's one moment that I'll save for later where I'm like, okay, if you do that, you're going to be fine. But if she's able to or not, I'll, you guys, I'll tell you when we're talking about it. It's down the road when we're at the lawyer's office with a green beard.

But anyway, let's jump in. We start out with Kay Michelle. Obviously, she had her issues last week with her surgery. So she's doing like post-stop right now. They had to go in and remove the infection from her, at least. legal silicone injections, crazy situation. And again, like 100% self-aware and owns the whole thing. I love Kay Michelle.

She's like my absolute favorite on TV right now. But she's talking about like who's checked in with her. She's like, you know, Porsche, Cynthia, Fager, Shemia came. Like it's so nice. Like they can all be catty. But they're not being catty with me. Like they're serious when they need to be serious. And I just love her vibe, dude.

She's like getting glam in the hospital. I don't look like what I've been going through. And I never will. I'm like, fuck yeah, dude. I love that. That's a great way to live.

It's a great approach to go into the hospital. I mean, and obviously we get scenes a little bit later from Fadra, giving birth with a full face of makeup. You know, it's just, it's the lifestyle. I mean,

what else he's supposed to do? I love it. It's so great. But, oh, we get to Drew and Angela. I'm trying to get to the place that I need to be to enjoy Drew's scenes like this because-

you're getting there? I'm close. Later helped. The scene with Black definitely helped. Yeah. I just, like, I think I've said this so many times. Drew is pivotal to the show. Like, I'm not going to take away from her role on this show.

She's funny at times. She's just very Drew. I just personally have one issue. I, why, why must we do this with the label thing for two years? Like, I, no, I don't care if he's your best friend. I don't care if he's boyfriend. Maybe it's not Drew's problem. Maybe it's everybody else's problem.

Maybe it's my problem. It's, well, it is your problem, but I'm trying not to lay the blame on you. Maybe for you, if you look at everybody else and you tell them to stop asking, you'll be able to open up a little bit more to Drew. Because she starts it every time. She's like, oh, you know, like, oh, yeah, your friend. And she's like, ha, ha, come on. And then they do this thing for 10 minutes. But like, maybe if they just let Drew just like, they all know she's not going to label it.

And when she does, she'll have a fucking party that she's going to be a full-blown party. Yeah. and that's going to be a great party. I hope I get invited because I am shipping them hard after the scene that I watch a little bit later. But that being said, and look, you know me. I don't ship anybody. I'm shipping the hell out of that. They are so funny together.

But for Drew anyway, these scenes, they're just funny to me. They are so funny because you get every confessional no matter who she's with. And in this scene, you get Angela going to her professional, she's like, yeah, friends, best friends, you know, childhood friends, whatever it might be. I don't care. I just don't care about her. and black can do whatever the hell they want. We're going to try to get to the bottom of it, but at the end of the day, we're not going to find out anything.

So I think that everybody's kind of moving on in the same sense with the rest of the cast. Like, all right, yeah, the phone guy. Yeah, let's just call him the phone guy. I'm trying. I'm trying my best. But Angela opens up a little bit. Her daughter, Amari, is back home or Amara. Sorry, is it Amara or Amari?

Mari. Amari. Excuse me. And she's back at home for a little while. They had that little disconnect last year. we learned that she went and got married and didn't tell her mom, which is pretty nuts, actually. And then I forgot that scene where her and Angela are talking about it.

And she's like, oh, so they're just going to like dime me out like that. I was like, wait, you're pissed at your aunt for telling, not not understanding. Like maybe I should have told my mom I got hitched. It's more, I can't believe they rented me out. But they're doing better. I mean, there's a conversation between Amari and the aunt just saying, hey, I'll bring this to my mom's attention. when the timing is right and she got dived out,

I'd be pissed too. I'm on her side. I don't know. I don't know about that one. She's like 25, isn't she? Yeah, so what? She's still an adult. She's an adult.

I'm going to play this card. We just wait until you have kids. Okay. It's not like you have a 25-year-old daughter. No, but I've got a 25-year-old sister. Yeah. So I've seen. Was that?

I just, I know. You don't have that conversation? All right. So your sister gets married in secret. I would tell my parents. I, yeah, you probably would. I wouldn't.

I'm not a snitch. You're a snitch. I would have a conversation with her and be like, look, dude, you got like a week. Figure it out and tell them or I'm going to. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a snitch. Yeah, whatever, dude.

Anyway, Drew is talk about what's going on in her life. She's acting a lot. That's what's paying the, bills and like we've seen her actually she's in movies and she's doing TV she's doing really great and that's like cool to watch genuinely but she's taking red eyes like every night she's going to film she's coming home going to film coming home and she has to right she's taking care of the everything now because ralph won't get the fuck out of the basement yeah that's got to be like the hardest part about everything because the custody's not settled ralph is still in the fucking

basement if the custody was settled she'd be able to just move freely like she i have no doubt she would have something rented out there that would make her life so much easier but she does have to go back and forth and we know for a fact that ralph is being a huge fucking dickhead about all of this and making her come back like oh no no no you have to come back because i have a tech conference i've got this no no you're not leaving me with the kids and what are you supposed to do in that situation so i actually really felt bad for drew because that's like kind of the underlying issue that she doesn't really get into she's just like it is hard that i have to come back and do all these things and go back and I'm like, no, it's so much harder because Ralph is a fucking asshole and he's making you come back. He's not agreeing. This is not amicable where he's sitting there like, all right, I get it. Look, you've got this whole thing going on. Just, I'll give you like 10 days. Go sort your shit out. You don't have to go back and forth because that sucks. I want you to do your best. Like that that would be a normal situation instead. He's probably just holding on to everything and being petty. He's definitely saying that he has tech conferences. I got to go to this conference. I got to go to that

conference like you're not the only one with a job drew get out of the basement then ralph yeah i i completely built like a secret staircase for him or like an elevator so that he doesn't step foot in certain rooms like he can go between the kids rooms like the kids wing of the house if you want to call it that and his own basement but he's not allowed anywhere else because there should be like motion sensors going off if he goes anywhere else i like to think that they just walled off the basement staircase and he's just stuck down there that's and he can get in and out and he can only get in and out from the or the door downstairs or the storm the well

he has to go to like the two double doors that's what I like to think is to crawl out of one of those welled off windows exactly yes that's it that's what he has to do scumbag but yeah I have felt for Drew too and like again I don't want it to be lost because she irritates me something I do I like Drew like genuinely

I think she brings a lot to this show and I'll give her credit man like she's gone through a lot of shit over the past few years. She wears it very well. She handles her shit. And like I'll always tip my cap to that. Like she, I don't know, man. She takes care of business. It's impressive.

But meanwhile, speaking of business, as we know, Angela got smoked last year on those four houses that she did. She had foreclosure. She lost a ton of money. So she's taking it as a lesson. I learned a lot. I'm going to go flip another house. I'm on Amari's team here. This to me seems like, you know, are you doing this to prove a point?

You're doing this to put a house. But at the same time, given everything that happened in her life, like, I feel like the timing, there's some correlation now between the houses and her mom. So this is going to be able to close the book, as she says later, like hopefully at closure. I do feel like they're intertwined just because it happened at the same time. So I get it. I understand what she's trying to do. and at the same time, I don't think that they're going to go broke over her trying to flip another house.

So, you know, I'm team Angela. I really, really fucking hope that they sell it for a profit, though, like so bad. Yeah, and I'm sure that's going to be the first question that comes Angela's way come reunion time because I doubt that it gets sold. It's not even flipped yet. I mean, she just bought it. She hasn't showed anybody as we find out a little bit later with her, Amari. It's just the whole situation sucks.

But, I mean, that's the other side of business. I mean, you see this all the time and we'll see it in a little bit with Shimea. You think about it. You're like, oh, there goes another housewife starting a business. Her Angeles is very much a legit type of situation where she just has money and she's just buying houses, flipping them and expecting to sell. She has another business too. Yeah, and she does.

This is a side project to bring in more revenue. And she's trying to diversify. And I appreciate that because you get to see the hard side of this. It's not always easy. It's not always, oh, yeah, I flip this house and sold it immediately like you always usually see on reality TV. You get to see the. other side of it. I wasn't able to sell that. It got foreclosed on. I lost $2 million. That sucks,

but I'm not going to let that knock me out. So I'm going to go buy one property. I'm going to focus a lot of time and energy on that. And if I can do that, it's a win for me and I can walk away from the game. That's what I want to see. And I think in a weird way, Charles Oakley probably appreciates that. I know we don't really get to see a lot of that, but I think he does actually appreciate that kind of great. Yeah. And I think like you said, it's so rare for us to watch cows wives admit their their losses. Yeah. That I really actually like, it's very endearing that she's like, yeah, I got smoked,

but here we go again. So we're rooting for you, Angela. And yeah, of course, it ends this scene with Black's not my man. Ha, ha, he's not my man. Nope. Okay. Cool. Let's keep moving.

And we get the ladies at the nail salon. You got Portia, Fadra and Cynthia, and then Kay Michelle comes along a little bit later. straight seemingly straight from the hospital. She was wearing the same things as she was wearing at the hospital. That's what I thought. Yeah, that's kind of the vibe it gave. I mean, look, that would actually add up to me too, because the way she was talking in the hospital about making sure that she looks good no matter what happens, I would not be

surprised if she left the hospital. She's like, I got to go get a pedicure. I have to. I've been in this hospital for way too long. Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. And as Stager says, you stay ready. So you don't have to get right. That's when we get the cut to her giving birth with full glam.

Yeah. Awesome. But they're asking Kay, what happened, obviously? And she says, I sat on the couch, went to stand up. There was just fluid everywhere. Even I was like, whoa, because Porsche goes, oh, miscarriage. I was like, Jesus, just straight to the M word. Like, that came out of nowhere. And furthermore, Kay Michelle goes on to tell us, like, Porsche knows everything that's going on.

I know that, you know, her boobs aren't healing the way that she wanted. That to me was like this, the nail in the coffin. That was her going. Here's the context of our conversation. She definitely knows what's going on. She's being shady as shit right now. Hugh. All classic Porsche.

Yeah, this is classic Porsche and all reasonable doubt of, you know what? Maybe it's just Porsche living in her own world and she completely forgot about that. It goes out the window later when they have a one-on-one conversation. But here, I was blown away. It was the same thing. It was almost, it actually made me think of the America's Next Top Model when the one girl's like, yeah, I had two abortions of the girl in the back was like, oh, damn, double homicide. Like that, that's what I thought of right away. I was like, Jesus Christ, why the fuck?

Like, I, again, I can see how you got there if you have no context. Blurting it out and having no filter is crazy. And also knowing what she's going through and knowing that she had that surgery and she has complications with it, you keep your mouth shut. Like what are doing here? That was by far the most wrong thing that you could possibly say at the most wrong time. Yeah. I mean, again, is it surprising? No, it caught me off guard.

But then once the dust settled, I was like, oh, I mean, yeah, she's doing the same thing she does. We just saw her do it with Kelly. So like, now Kay Michelle's starting to get wise to it, though. She's like, ah, that's how you move. Got it. Clocked. But they're talking about the grand opening of Nana's, the Silver Springs. Silver Springs location?

That's right? So yeah. Okay, it sounds right. And it's like, hey, Porsche, why did she go? And she goes through the interaction she had with Kelly, you know, apparently after this. Then she went to Angela and called me a whore and said, I came at her. It's like, well, you did, though. You did go at her.

Like, this is again, like, Porsche is going to be Porsche. And I understand that. And that's why she's good for reality TV. Sure. But I am curious with this cast because there, all, they're so quick. I don't think she's going to get over on a lot of people on this cast. I think they're going to clock her. We're only in episode three or four and they're already on it. Like Kay Michelle's new to the show and she's on it. Kelly's on it. I don't think it's going to work much

longer. No, it's not. And we've seen Porsche get into those situations before where that's not working. And her response is usually the same. She just starts going after people without really hiding behind that facade. So I guess when I'm thinking about that happening, that's also not really going to work because these women are pretty fucking strong. These are not like push over women that are going to start crying and freaking out because you said something about their life. They're going to go after you.

And that's going to be a very uncomfortable situation. So I'm actually kind of intrigued by that. I see it the same way that you do. It's not going to work the same way that it always does. It's not going to work the way that you think it's going to work. And I want to see the blowback. I want to see the pushback because I think that's going to lead to some pretty crazy. drama towards the end of the season.

And we do know that shit blows up. I think, don't they go to Scotland? I think they go to Scotland. Do they? He heard that like not everybody comes back. Like people are flying back separately. So push is going to come to shove. Anytime that I hear something bad is happening in Atlanta,

I always assume it was Porsche. So I think I'm probably going to be right again. But, uh, but yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how all that plays out. Yeah, I'm actually really curious too. But the scene ends with the, do you think there's some validity to that affair rumor with Kelly, with Kelly's sleeping with a married man or whatever? So that's not dying,

which means that we're going to have a moment at some point where we find out whether she did, whether she didn't, or at least a little bit more information on that whole thing, because it's come up too much. Like I thought it might die down after we saw their interaction, just like a little back and forth, but it's coming back up,

which tells me that that's going to lead to a storyline down the road. Yeah, sure is. let's slam on the brakes real quick. I check it with Shemia. Dude, like night and day, honestly. It was crazy. And I wasn't even looking at the screen. I was typing notes.

And even the way that the scene started, I was like, this sounds different. This seems fake. And I looked up. And she goes through this scene with Gerald, her husband. They're talking about the rum company.

And, you know, he's quite clearly against this venture. And I, you know, I'm rooting for Shamiya in that regard. Like, I hope it does well. I hope you're able to make your money and do your thing here. But I don't think Gerald wants to do this at all, one. And two, it starts like the questions start coming in where it's like, okay, is this because you want to do your own thing, which I respect? Is this because you want a storyline and you thought a rum company would be a good storyline or is it somewhere in the middle of those two?

I think it's way closer to she wants a storyline. I think that's what it is. I mean, the way that she's talking about it, it's more, like, it was presented as Gerald's doing his own thing and he's opening companies left and right and he's managing all these things and he's on the board for certain situations. And like, I just want my own purpose. And I get that if that's truly what it is. But the way that Chamea moves, she's just so coordinated.

I mean, this scene alone. That's it. Coordinated. That's good. This scene alone, their outfit. were coordinated. They were wearing the same shit. Like they're like they're like they're showing off the same thing and like maybe it's for like a lot of times it's for a good cause or whatever. But like it tells me that every time that you know the

cameras are on their way over, you've got a whole scene structured in your head. Unfortunately, Gerald's not going along with it. Like he's not giving you what you want. You want in this situation is a deep conversation conversation about you finding a purpose. And he's like stop about the fucking rum company. Like there's so many question marks. There's so many red flags. you haven't thought this through. And in my head, I'm like, this isn't just the standard your husband's telling you no. Your husband's telling you this is a bad investment. Your husband's telling you, you're going to find out very quickly that this isn't going to work.

And the way she's talking about it, and this is where it gets really murky and kind of upsetting, honestly, for me, when we get a little bit later and she's sitting down with those people. I have no doubt in my mind that she's sitting with those people. And where is she, not the Dominican, is it? Grenada. Grenada, yeah. So the people from Grenada, I can see in my head how she's talking to those people. She's getting their hopes up. She's telling them about some great business venture about getting all of their rum into the U.S. market and how much money they're going to make.

And it's going to change their lives. Like she's having conversations with these people about that. She hasn't thought a fucking thing through. And we find that out later. She has no idea what the hell she's talking about. So in this sense, it's not the husband telling his wife like, no, no, no, you leave the business to me, babe. It's him telling her like, no, you haven't thought any of this through. Like it's not going to work.

But like essentially he's saying find something else. Find a different project. Find something else. And I'll support you if it's good. That's where it is. And Gerald does not strike me as somebody who's looking at a bad investment like, yeah, you know what? I'll just write off like, you know, $10 million just because I want to keep my wife happy.

He's trying to get her to be like, yeah, you know what? Maybe this isn't right. We'll find something else. He wants to help. So I don't see that as the same way. But I don't know. The way that she's talking, it's like, I don't believe you. I just don't.

I think she's doing this off her shell. Yeah, it's tough, man. And it's like, again, because everyone else is doing so good, when you see this,

you're just like, ah, it's out of place. It's out of place. I think coordinated is the best way to put it. She's very coordinated. But let's get to Pinky and her attorney, James Walker.

And we get a very real conversation. She is planning. on filing bankruptcy because here's what I gathered from it. I think I got it. But so she has her current company right now. That's doing well again, all that good stuff. She has another venture that has accrued a bunch of debt. And she wants to declare bankruptcy to wipe that clean so she can continue with this

business debt free. But to do that, she has to declare bankruptcy because her previous counsel told her that she should personally guarantee all of these loans. So now she's on the hook for like $20 million. She's on the hook for it. And all of the current news on her is that she's just kind of struggling with all of that. She doesn't want to release her personal finances. Like it's getting very, very messy for Pinky.

There's a lot of claims that she's not paying the workers that were associated with a lot of those ventures. So it's a complete fucking cluster fuck is what it is. And that sucks. but again, it's, you know, shades of what Angela is going through. I kind of want to see it. Like, I want to see how she responds to it. I want to see her go through it. And if she's going to share a lot of that with us, that would be great.

I don't know how much she's going to share with us. We don't know. I mean, yes, at face value, it does sound like the typical, I'm just going to write this whole shit off. I'm just going to declare bankruptcy so I can start something else. And I don't actually have to pay a dime. Maybe that works sometimes, but it doesn't sound like it does. She's wrapped up in lawsuits right now.

I know. I mean, the one lawsuit sucks. Like, you have to pay $100 grand for Javante Davis. Like, who was he fighting? Ryan Garcia? Like, oof, $100,000 for that fucking fight? No, thanks. Nope.

Yeah, I felt for it. And I think, you know, there is that added pressure of being a black woman and having this business and being an entrepreneur, being a role model for so many other people. I think that she has this added pressure that she's putting on herself. that she wants to succeed. She wants to show other women that she's successful. It's a very polarizing place to be because she has so much spotlight on her, because she's so successful.

So I felt for her a lot. I don't know where it's going to go. Like you said, the more happening in real time, the worse it seems to be getting for her. Yeah. But it was kind of interesting, too,

because we also added the component a little bit here and a lot more later that she's not telling her husband about all of things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it does answer one question for me at least because I had the obvious question. First episode, I wouldn't be with somebody who wasn't a vegan. And she's also on the board of pita, but your husband runs a ton of cheese steak chains. That was also very confusing to me. You've got cheese and you've got meat. So, you know, that doesn't really work out for me. I would imagine they keep all of their finances separate. I would imagine that none of their businesses are in each other's names, which, you know, good or bad, whatever. That's probably bad. for protection sake. So she does have the right to not tell him, but also if you guys are supposed to be as good as you are, you should probably tell him what you're going through.

And maybe that'll help. Because all intents of purposes, what we've seen from Derek, I mean, he's a Philly dude. We need a good Philly dude. He seems like a good dude. Like, he seems like somebody is trying to help you.

This was much better. This episode was much better than last episode. Yeah. Yeah. Like he seems like somebody who's going to help you through that. So I do want to see her tell him. And she's going to have to tell him. them eventually if she doesn't want it to come out on camera a little bit later that would suck and

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I loved this. This was, they hit every single note for me. But they're sitting there talking first and foremost, yeah, Kay, Michelle, you do deserve a drink after your ass popped out of your back. Absolutely. You deserve two drinks, as many drinks as you want. But Cynthia went on social media and saw some tweets from Kay Michelle from the hospital. and it said, I'm my own person. I'll sit there and smile back and clock it,

but I'm not about that bullshit. And bimboes are the loudest and most confident. Shut your face and activated. So obviously the rest of the ladies in the group are sitting there trying to figure out who is she talking about. Who's the bimbo? I love Fadra sitting there trying to be like, okay, well, that's not, I'm not loud, not this. That's clearly not me.

But as she starts to talk about it, she makes it clear that she's talking about portion. because of the weird miscarriage comment. I love that she also says, I've been speaking my mind for 10 years on Twitter. Don't question me. I'm famous. Fuck yeah.

But yeah, she lets it slip to the ladies. Like, yeah, I'm talking about Portia. She's the bimbo. Yeah, I love the confidence.

I do not hide behind that. Like, if somebody's going to call you out for your sub-tweets, go for it. Tell them exactly who it is at all times. I mean, she's not going to at Porsche. Maybe she will now,

but she's not going to at the time. She's just sitting there. She's going through it. You know, give her a little bit of grace. here. I'm completely fine with the sub-tweeting. I am too. And I love, love, love

that she stands on it. I love that she's not trying to say, that's not what I meant. I was talking about her. Every time we see how spives get tough on Twitter or Instagram or in the comments, there's always, that's not what I meant. Like, oh, you're, you're misinterpreting it. Nope.

She's going to own it and I fucking love that. But they start kind of going in and they're just talking a little bit of shit. Cynthia's just trying to have like a i've got your back like i'm here to support you guys and pinky and k michel like no we've got some issues already like what's up with fager all she does is giggle what the fuck's going on there and the root of it though which i actually really appreciate is pinkie's like look i'm trying to know if i can trust these women with my secrets i need friends that are ones

i can tell my most uncomfortable shit too i was like you're you're vetting the group yes i love way to do it. It's the way to do it. And look, you find one or two people, we say it every time. When you're a newbie on a show, you find one or two people that you can trust. A lot of times it's another newbie. Sometimes it's another newbie. I don't want to say a lot of times. But sometimes it is. And Cynthia is a great person to kind of bounce ideas off of two because she knows what the hell she's doing. She's been around the block. If you just do it in this way, this is the best way to do it. Because you're not going to get burnt. You're going to be open about it. Kay, Michelle's a good person, a good confidant, maybe not for secrets. You know, I have my suspicions about that. She'll probably tell

people, but, or she'll tweet it, which is fair. She might tweet it. She might tweet it. We'll see. She's famous. She is famous. But I like, I like the suspicions. I like the who can I trust and who can I trust.

I got to try to figure this out. That's the way to move. And if you talk about it too, to other people, you might be able to get someone else on the cast. It's like, ah, yeah, I was thinking the same thing, but wasn't even sure if I could trust you, to be honest. So it leads to funny situations. It does.

It does. And before we move to the next scene, let's just, uh, pray for Fadra's wig. Yeah. All right. Let's meet him. In the flesh, black himself.

And we're on a fucking date. Okay? This is a date. That's what this is. I didn't realize it was a hookabar right away. So I thought they were sitting down for a... I thought she was holding a wand. I thought it was like a magic wand.

You know what? I'll take that because that means you weren't even questioning why Drew was holding a wand. And that's, you're on the right path, buddy. No, they, So they were in a hookabar. I didn't know that right away. Makes more sense.

When we're waiting for black and we see him pull up in his Lambeau and he's coming out and he's got seven dozen roses in his hand, which, you know, a little over extravagant. But it's Drew we're talking about here. So I'm completely fine with it. When they're sitting down, I'm like, oh, it's like an interesting restaurant. What's going on? And then I see a woman in the back blow out a massive cloud. I'm like, where are we?

I was like, where the fuck are we? Because if you're sitting down, if I'm like, like, I have no problem with your vaping, smoking, hookah, whatever the fuck you're doing. Inside a restaurant, though, if I'm sitting down

to eat dinner and I see somebody blowing fat clouds in the corner, I'm going to be a little skeptical. I don't really want to deal with this. But they were actually

in an appropriate place to do that. So I immediately washed all those ideas. I thought it was just a restaurant. I don't know. Shit. Well, anyway, let's get to,

uh, get to know black a little bit. I don't, I think I like them. The jury's still kind of out, but, you know, he starts out with, let me take a look at you. And he licks his lips and says all my, I think I love him actually now. All my money aside, all my money aside, you look like a million bucks. It's like, mm-hmm, a baller ass line. Now, do I think that he rented that Lambo, quite possibly?

do I think his jewelry might be a little fake? Maybe. Did the roses convince me that he's rich? No. I love him though. I absolutely love him for Drew. You know what? This is exactly,

look, I'm not saying long term. I'm not suggesting that Drew married this man, but she deserves to have as much fun as possible after deal with fucking basement Ralph. So you know what? I'm in. I am all in.

I agree. It's just confusing because, like he quite clear. clearly wants to date, right? Like he doesn't want to be a friend. That's why he keeps saying like, friends, friends with benefits. She's like, you're friends with benefits. We're going to have sex.

But the vibe to me, Drew is leaning on this guy. They're best friends. They're very close. She shares all of her stuff. He's been there for her through all of this shit. So credit to him for that. But I think personally that, that once she's through everything,

I don't think she's going to want anything romantic with Black. I think he is the dude for the moment to help her get through this shit. I don't think she's going to, like, not be friends with them anymore. But I think his trajectory is them going this way. And her trajectory is the opposite. Yeah, it might be. I mean, Drew loves the attention, though.

It's not going to be twisted up. She absolutely loves the attention. And I mean, I would love if somebody talked to me like that. Yeah. He seems like a showman. So it does seem like the perfect match for now. So I'm going to just let her have her fun. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. It's just like the investment conversation was funny as shit. In order for me to make an investment, I need to be the only one. I'm a boss. Look, I'm all about that. Look, if you read through the lines here and there, he is trying to set some boundaries. He's trying to figure this shit out, like in a very endearing way. And he's complimenting her all the way.

It is a good way to get what you want. It's a good way to try to figure out what you're going to do. and structure a relationship because I think that what Drew's going through is very murky, it's very cloudy, and he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to do anything too bad, but he does want to make sure that his intentions are set in a way that only he can probably do. So I appreciate the way that he's going about it because it seemed to be working. I do too if his intentions are pure. If this isn't just a point.

I think they're the most pure intentions I've ever seen. Jerry's still out for me, but I'm glad that you're all in. Yeah. Well, let's get to Angela's new house, which is just a spider cave, apparently. There are so many spiders there. Well, you know what they have? They've got those Juro spiders, those Japanese spiders that are only indigenous to like, you know, Southeast Asia and then weirdly southeast United States because of them

coming over. We're going to get them apparently this summer. So we've been waiting for those bad boys. Yeah. Yeah, they're not poisonous. They're completely fine. But they can take care of the lantern flies. Yeah, I hope so.

But yeah, if you're an arachyphobe, you probably don't. don't want to listen to this part to just skip a couple seconds. The young spiders use their webs as essentially hot air balloons. It's like a parachute. Travel. Yeah, they just parachute completely up the coast. So they've been coming up the coast pretty much every year for the last like five years. And they're running rampant in Southeast United States.

And they're going to be in Pennsylvania this summer. So I look forward to that. But they're completely fine. I got over my, I didn't really have arachnophobia, but I got over any fear of spiders when I lived in an apartment during baseball and the entire stairwell. I thought it was going to be Australia. No, no. I saw, I was already over by then.

But the entire, like, rafters in the stairwell was like a million spiders. And our, our landlord would do anything about it. So I went to Lowe's. I bought a bandana to tie up my face. I bought, like, six cans of bug spray. And I was just hitting them. And they were just, like, falling on me and shit. That's all you need.

You need one good spider bomb of a stairwell or a balcony or something, because mine was a balcony. And they were just all. all over the place. You just got to go out there and just get after them. Now, unfortunately, the spiders went away and then a hornet's nest. And I'm not taking on hornets. I'm not. I just did. I stayed away from that one. I got stung by one hornet one time while walking. Never again. It's it hurts so bad. And I have a good pain. Never again. I felt like I got shot.

No. Anyway, uh, that's the bug bros podcast. That's different. But Angela and Amari, we're looking at the new house. And, uh, I, I, I appreciate. appreciate Amari's candor. She's really looking out for her mom trying to understand where she's coming from. She's being understanding. She could have been a little bit lighter on the house. Didn't have to poke that much. I love it.

I think I'm so far in because, like, this is a storyline that we were invested in because we really liked Angela. And we get to see it every step of the way. I mean, Amari's back in her life. She's secretly married. She's living with them now. Like, we know what's going on in their relationship. And I like to see that because that's fair.

Maybe sometimes you need that. I mean, Angela hasn't told Charles at this point that she's doing this again, but she will and she's going to and that's okay. But look, I mean, she might just need somebody to check her. Like, hey, you're doing things right. But have you seen this fucking house? Like, what are we doing here? I agree. I think that it's really good feedback.

I just didn't know, like, can we save that for like once we start the remodel, not the first time you're seeing it? And like, you can kind of see Angela's like, yeah, hopes and dreams, like get. stifled. Well, maybe, maybe Amari thinks that the window's still open. Like, hey, can we still back out? Give it back. Yeah. Can you still back out of all the paperwork? Because it does take a while to close. So if she's already closed, that would suck. But, uh, yeah, maybe, maybe Amari just doesn't understand the situation. I don't know. But I mean, it is nice to see them back before they seem. Yeah. Genuine with each other. That's all we can ask for. But let's keep trekking. We get Shimea and Glenda and George and

Ashley. This is the green bearded fellow and they're meeting with Maximilian Booker which what a fucking name. That man's got money. You got a name like that. Holy shit. Maximilian Booker is just such a good name. But they're talking about

the rum company. And I had the same exact thoughts and feelings. I was like, you don't know what you got into. No. Because you're just going to joke. That's what I got bothered with because you're talking to people on FaceTime and they have their lives invested into this. Like this is what they want to do. They put a lot of time, money, and effort.

And you're sitting there going, I want to make the bottle look like my butt and have peach rum. You should know damn well. You bought a rum company, what you can and can't import, what your flavors are going to be, what what the cost margin is for those flavors. No, the Grenada doesn't have peaches. You just assumed, which as soon as she said that, I'm like, I'm so far out on all this. Like, this is, it's disrespectful is what it is. And this is why I'm so far out on Jimmy. It's not just because I think she's a bad housewife.

She's inconsiderate. And that's what it comes down to. And like, if you have successful business after successful business and you've already ventured into the liquor business and you are successful there too, you can get up at that you can get on top of the desk and start shaking your ass and say, this is what I want the bottle to look like because you've proven successful. You haven't done dick. And these people are like, their livelihoods are on the line in my brain anyway. And that's how you have to look at businesses, especially small businesses. And you're making a joke out of it. And you're getting up in the middle

and Maximilian Booker's fucking conference room and shaking your ass and saying that like, yeah, this is exactly what it should be. You haven't proven dick. I have no problem with it. If you are, if you are completely solid, fine, go for it. But no. And then you start talking about the peaches and you're like, yeah, maybe we could import them down to Grenada from Atlanta. Sure. Max, what do you think? That would be fucking expensive as hell and ruin the investment before it starts. Oh, okay.

All right, maybe we just back off on the peach thing. Okay. Let's talk about these bottles and how we're going to be able to get them here. How much would that cost $30? What's your price point? That's just for the fucking bottle. That's just the bottle of the rum. We're not even talking about shipping yet.

What's your shipping? labor costs. It's unbelievable the things. And like this was such a hard lesson. And I hope that she moves on from this. Or she tries to restructure and figure something out. Like you did already. And again,

this is in my brain, but you did probably already promise these people that you would change their lives with this shit. You better figure something out and make it a lower price point, figure everything out. Like drop a bunch of the fucking like whatever the glitter and shit that you want to throw all over it. Just stop.

Just make a good bottle of rum. import it, put your name on it, and sell it, and try to make a little bit of money from this. And if you end up breaking even, cool, that's best case scenario. If you lose a little bit of money, that's fine because you still went through it and you got to learn some lessons. But the way that she was talking during this meeting, I'm like, you need to just have a really hard lesson. You need a big, hard failure to be able to get through any of this. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it was the utter disrespect for the people on that screen was astounded.

because again, it's like, ha, ha, ha. It's like, no, no, no. You bought a business and you don't know the ins and else of it. Like, you should know everything. You should be able to go into that meeting and say, here's what I want the bottle to look like. Here's who we can use as a distributor, or can your current distributor do this?

Is this possible? You should know the profit margins before you go in there and present ideas to the entire rum company. Because now they're sitting there in Grenada going, oh, fuck, this is not going to be good. You've taken the wind out of their sales. So for those people in Grenada, God, I hope so bad that she figures it out. Like I really want, I don't care for her.

I care for them. Yeah, a thousand percent. Anyway, this is where we get our second dose of Derek. And they're talking about just kind of everything. You know, their finances, their marriage, how they got together. And, you know, they were married in 23. And then they were like a year into it. and they drove to the courthouse to get divorced.

And then they sat there. They kissed and they're like, hey, I love you. Let's get out of here. As we know, they got three kids together. And then she starts getting into the business stuff. And she's like, you know, I have the three pending lawsuits, blah, blah, blah. I deal with it in silence. And her stance with this whole thing is pretty much how she's done everything.

She's very strong woman. She does things on her own. She's built her business. and she doesn't want to put extra pressure on Derek. Now, I had my questions about Derek. I still do. But I thought he handled this much better. How can I help you is what he asked,

both spiritually, financially, what do you need from me? And just know, no matter what, I've always got your back. And when I hear that something happened, his first thoughts not, oh, what the fuck? I want to turn, tail, and run.

It's, oh, shit, how can I help her get out of this? So he got a lot more points back this episode. Yeah, he absolutely. did. And that's the response that I wanted to see because it didn't strike me as Pinky was scared to tell him because he was going to like, I don't know, lash out or something or like be disappointed in her. She was just like, look, we keep all of our shit separate. We keep our finances separate. We keep all of our business stuff separate. It's more just for me. Like I need to be able to show everybody else. And she talked a little bit about this in the first scene. But in this scene, it was more. I was like, yeah, you know, like I need to show and be a good role model for all of the things that I'm doing. Like I'm on the board of PETA. I've got all these independent businesses. Like I need to show other black women that like they can stand up and do all of these things, which I love and that's incredible. I just I want to see a little bit more of like, all right,

let me share with Derek what's going on because not just for my own like entertainment or I guess, you know, it's a weird way to put it. Not for just my. That's a very strange way to put it. Not for like just my own sense of watching the show and getting to know or more, but also just for her. Like I think this would take a weight off of your shoulders. Yeah.

I want to see more. of like just because the name isn't on the business like you don't have a you know an LLC or partnership with the two of you you still do want to be able to reach out to him be like hey like i'm fucking going through it i've got a lot going on what do you think i should do it's just i want to see a little bit more advice and you know what maybe that's the sense of like their power couple that they're able to just kind of stand on their own and be independent of each other but i don't know i think this calls for a little bit more of a partnership i agree and i do think it's always interesting when you see power couples like this, how they navigate things because, you know,

they're both independent business people. So that has to be a hard for her pride, I guess a lot of that would be to to not have to admit that she needs help, I'm sure. But I'm curious how it's going to shake out, but big, big points for Derek. That was a much better scene by him. Philly's up. Thank God. We'll see. We have a bad track record with Philly on Bravo. But hopefully you can pull us out. Anyway, we end the episode with Kay Michelle and Portia. And I love that Kay Michelle just, she rips, she didn't even wait for a half a second.

She's like, I was really fucking mad at you. And starts going in. She's like, whoa, whoa, why? She's like the miscarriage comments. Like you knew exactly what was going on. We talked about it.

This was the moment for me where I'm like, this shit's not going to play. Like, this is not going to work because she's like, well, what do you mean? I didn't know what was wrong with your, but, oh, you stop it. You stop it right now. mask the mask slipped fully off for like a half a second there because when she says yeah i didn't know what

you were going through k michel calls her out right away she's like what do you mean you were there every step of the way you knew exactly what was going on and Porsche's response was how am i supposed to remember like anything that happened eight you know months ago and it's like no no no you just specifically said eight you knew that this has been going on for eight months you know exactly what she's talking about so just fucking apologize like it was such a bad comment and And now I see what you're doing. You're trying to spin it into it was just an innocent, like I just responded in a way. Like you told me to contextually the blah, blah, blah.

Like no, no, no. You knew what was going on. All you have to do is say, hey, I'm sorry. You also know that I want a little girl. So that's just insensitive to say right away. Like I told you the other day that, yeah, we're trying to have another kid or we're thinking about trying to have another kid. And I really want to have a little girl. You don't respond that way in any fucking way.

You just never do that. that. Like, it's just not something that you do. And instead of Porsche apologizing, she just does their Porsche thing. Like, well, well, you know, we get into the fucking Twitter thing. I know you were tweeting about me. Like, nope, nope, nope, we can't move on until you apologize. This is the only way to do it. The crazier part to me was that she tries to relate.

She's like, well, I've had miscarriages. Like, that's, yeah, okay. And that's your experience. And you can speak on that however much you want to, whenever you want to. But don't use that. right now to try to relate to her because that's not what happened. You said that word when she had a silicone implant leak out of her butt. Very different. So then she tries to find common ground with the miscarriage column. I was like, this is a very strange approach to this whole thing rather than

just say, you're right. That was fucked up. I shouldn't have said that. It just came out. Like, okay, fine. But watching her try to backfettle. Go ahead. Yeah, but the other piece of that is like, if you want to make a comparison, it's like if you're, one of your parents passed away years ago and you've already dealt with the trauma. You've already dealt with all of that. And then some friend's parent passes away. You're like, oh, yeah, you'll be fine. Don't worry about it.

No, no, no. You've already dealt with all of that. You've dealt with the trauma. It doesn't mean you now get to speak on it as if you just like, oh, yeah, you'll be fine. Don't worry about it. It's just such a one-off comment. Don't worry. Like, it's not a big thing.

It is a big thing. And look, thank God she didn't have a miscarriage because I would hate to see whatever reaction that would be if Porsche just blurts it out. in the middle of a sentence when she's trying to like open up to the women about something that she just went through and it was a miscarriage. And of course, she was like, oh, yeah, it was a miscarriage. Oh, shit, was I not supposed to. Like, that would be so much worse.

So it does kind of set the groundwork for that where it's like, dude, like, no, you have to be able to act differently in public like that. And that's honestly the best point. It's like, what if she had? And you just decided to throw that info out on national television because you don't have a filter. Like, no, no, no, no. You jump the gun on a very sensitive topic.

like, well, and backpedaled in a strange, strange way. So I'm glad K. Michelle clocked her. I'm glad that she stood 10 toes down, didn't back off of it,

even confessional. She was all on it. And, you know, I just think, man, it feels to me in her confessionals that Porsche is already up against the ropes a little bit.

I think she's, she's putting herself into a corner right now. And it's going to be really interesting. Because that's all, I'm getting very defensive confessionals when she's trying to go after okay Michelle she's like mocking her accent this that the other it's like I don't know dude I don't know I think you're rattled a little bit I think you're a little rattled and you

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