Bros & Shows - Ralph and Ashley Need a Decorum Lesson (Love Hotel Full Recap)

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

What's up Bros? We are checking back in to the Love Hotel and things are gettin deep. The ladies check Earl for his behavior the other night, but from our perspective... Shannon was poking as well. Those two just need to call it quits. Meanwhile, Ralph and Ashley start to heat up which leaves Wale questioning his entire life. James and Luann are getting hot and heavy and even adjourn to Luanns bedroom at the end of the evening. Shannon shifts her focus to Adam who is arguably Earl 2.0. Gizelle gets taken by surprise when Phil strikes her fancy. Perhaps someone will find love while at the Love Hotel. But not before Shannon gives Earl a secret note that leaves us on one hell of a cliffhanger. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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reeling from that scene what what are your actual thoughts on the song did you like the song oh i actually enjoyed it well i it's interesting because of the show that we're watching when it started i hated it and then when everybody joined in i realized how camp this show is and i loved it Shows and Shows. I got to have me my Bros and Shows. Bros and Shows. Bros. and shows. I got to have me my Bros. and Shows.

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I am your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only Love Master Goots. What's up, dude? I think I said this last week when we were doing our recording for Love Hotel. This show feels like a fever dream, and now this fever dream has a fever dream. a soundtrack. This song, I know we talked about it a little bit.

I had the same reaction. The initial, when he's working on it, I'm like, oh, that's not great, but it'll play really well with Luann. Nice job, James. The group singing it collectively, I was in. It confirmed my suspicions of this show. We got a whole bunch of different things. We've kind of worked through the different ebbs and flows of everybody figuring out

what this show's about. I think they all came together for a legitimate kumbaya moment. We're all here in Mexico. Let's just have some fun and sing some dumb song. Lean into the wackiness. Yeah. This episode was, it's a weird show. Like, I love it.

It's bizarre. Some people are really serious and there's not enough people taking it lightly anymore for me, which is interesting. Not in a bad way. I'm still enjoying watching it, but it's taking turns that I wasn't expecting. Do you know what? I think I kind of honed it on exactly what my issue is right now. What? I liked it better.

and I enjoyed it more when Ralph was just like the eye candy. For whatever reason, when I see this man, he reminds me of a shark, like a bull shark or like a great white, just kind of like roaming around. He kind of looks like a shark a little bit. If you can see that. What was that show back in the day? Are you thinking about shark tails?

No, shark tail is the Will Smith movie. There was like street sharks. Street sharks? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure Ralph voiced one of those street sharks. But that's what he reminds me of. and I liked it better when he was just kind of roaming around. Now he's involved.

He's too involved for me. He's no longer just eye candy. He's attainable, and I don't like it. Oh, you liked him when he was... I liked it when he was just big sex symbol, just bopping around. Okay. Everybody kind of wants them. They're a little intimidated.

Now he's with Ashley. It's like... Well, Dev said that she gets it. I get it. I get it. It's just, it bothers me that he's now attainable. He's attainable. He was always like, what's in a hot tub time is a great white buffalo.

Great White Buffalo. he was he was ungetable and now he hath been gotten that was the thing that surprised me it pulls some of the charm off for me i get it i kind of liked it he was quiet and reserved and it's like i was really playing with everybody and then he starts talking and he's you know we'll get to the kiss scenes but it's it just kind of knocked it away from me well i think i still think that he's the cream of the crop he is but yeah he knows exactly what he's doing this is a playbook that he has used many times before. And he's playing it like the aloof, like, oh, my God, he knows what the fuck he's doing.

He's not surprised by any of this. The confidence that he showed towards the end of this episode, walking into a room with two women who he was interested in that are interested in him sitting down, you can tell right away. This isn't his first radio. No, it tells you everything you need to know. But let's get into this episode because we start out with the boys. They're having some brecky.

And we are talking about the Ashley being into. Ralph thing. I need to say this. Waleigh may never recover. Yeah. His ego and pride is non-existent. The guy's going through it. He just doesn't understand. By the way, he needs to be on another show. He's great. Yeah. He's got a lot of personality. It's just not working for this show. But you know what? I think he just needs to learn. I think this is a really tough learning curve for him and he'll walk out the other side. He'll be better. I think he's got a fun, wacky personality that can play on a lot of TV shows. He's got a good reality TV show personality. If they could pull, this is another thing, and we talk about all the time, like drafting. Draft. We need a new draft, yeah.

If we could just put all of those reality dating shows together and you, this is your crop. Now, I know this is kind of a weird show because there's a lot of guys in their 60s, but you know what? The Golden Bachelor still exists. So there you go. And now they're doing Golden Bachelor in Paradise, too. So there you go, even more. Wait, just to recap that. There you go, part two. That's with all age groups, correct? Yeah. Golden Bachelor. That should be the summer, I think, right? Yeah, it should be coming up. Yeah.

Anyway, back on task. I think it's half and half, but yeah, anyway. So, yeah, let's do that. We'll put all these guys in a dating pool. And then you get to draft to all the shows. I kind of like that. That way we get familiar with these people, because I feel like the one and done, like, yeah, you know, the Bachelor people, they just kind of go on their media tour. Yeah.

See them all over the place. They're doing sponsorships. They're doing this and that and whatever. But if you have them in recurring shows, if you have somebody like, while I go from here or to a Love Island, and then from Love Island over to The Bachelor, you're like, oh, wow, look at this shit. I think that there's something there. Yeah. Just kind of intertwine everything.

We would never be able to get all the networks to work together like that. No, God, no. But I feel like the contracts, they're probably just for the show, just one season, right? So I guess it could work. I have no idea. We need to, all right, here we go. We start an overseeing company that oversees all of this. So they have a contract with us.

So it's not exclusive to one network. And we get the networks to sign on. And we get paid by all of the networks. We get paid by all of the networks. I like this. Let's do this. Yeah. We might not have a podcast anymore.

We're getting paid by NBC, ABC, Universal. See you later, guys. Why? Thanks for a fun ride. Yeah, no, we would never leave you guys. We would just take you along for the ride. But back to breakfast, Luanne joins, and she wants to talk to Earl. And she's trying to get the lowdown from him.

She's like, well, what did you say? And, you know, he takes some accountability. Again, I have a wildly different perspective of this whole thing. And I wonder if the ladies watch this. he's going to go, oh, that's what happened at the table? Yeah. Because he's like, there are certain things that I say, and her responses are just, you know, the whipping the head back and, like, you don't eat vegetables, like stuff like that.

So he takes accountability where he's like, yeah, you know, it went too far. I'm sorry, blah, blah, blah. But at the same time, like, he doesn't have that much to apologize for, I don't think. I think what we're sort of seeing the 60-year-old version of Jesse and Lexi. Oh, okay. A lot of things happens very fast. They're already pet naming each other. They're talking about relationships.

No, no, he's pet naming her. Did she pet name him? She was dropping some dears. Oh, she dropped a deer. There was a couple of honeies in there. He said honey. He said honey again today. Yeah, that's a big problem for me.

But I agree with you. I think that when everybody watches this back, now it's also partly, obviously the housewives are going to stick together. Sure. They see Shannon upset. They're going to take her side immediately. Which is fine in the moment. But, yeah, I do think that when they watch.

this back, they'll realize, oh shit, that's what was going on there? Yeah, that was weird. It's bizarre. It was strange. Very weird. You guys should be away from each other, but we don't really have to be completely on Shannon's side. We can just level this and make it a wash. And I think that, again,

you know, these housewives haven't spent a ton of time together. Sure. If you throw Shannon in the house and we've got Tamara and Heather Dubrow and people who have been around Shannon enough, perhaps a different reaction. They'll clock that immediately. I would think. I mean, the whole thing. Earl's a little weird, but Shannon's also very weird. Exactly. And I'm, I'm going to get to it in a second. We'll really dive into it.

But you get Ashley and Jason. And this, I also thought, wasn't fair to Jason because she's like, I have to be honest, last night. It was a bit shocking. It seemed fake. Right? I can't see Ashley actually believing this. I don't know. And like, again, this is where the show is like, I'm like, this is not as deep as I thought we were going to get. Because she's like, you told me about your thruple. He was in a thruple for like eight months with another man. Or sorry, another, was it two women? Two women. Yeah.

Was it two women? I thought that they approached him. Okay. So it was two women. He was the third party in this thruple. And she has PTSD. I said marriage PTSD from Michael, which makes sense. That dude was a troll.

Yeah. But they had a similar arrangement where they would have threesomes as long as you don't know them. There was a lot of rules laid out there. A lot of Michael in this episode, too. I know. What's the good version of catching a stray? Catching a vibe. Well, Michael somehow caught a vibe because he got compared to Ralph.

What the fuck? I don't know what that was all about. That was disgusting. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That is a ridiculous version of catching astray. He does not. And there was too much Michael for this episode. Yeah.

Too much Michael in general. Enough. I don't need any more. If they finally get divorced and now we have to see him? Yeah, that's bullshit. I'm over it. I've been. over, Michael. But that to her is a deal breaker with Jason. It just doesn't seem real. That doesn't

seem fair. Because he even said, he's like, look, that's not my thing. It just, it's something I did. And she can't separate the two from her past experiences and what that did to her. And that's fair if you have guidelines. But the man's telling you, like, that's not my thing. I just, I did it. That's the same shit you did, Ashley, because you're saying it's not my thing, but I did it. So why does he get thrown to the rafters because of that? Because she's obsessed with monogamy now or something? That's what she says. That's kind of what she says.

Well, she says, now I don't trust Jason. I'm like, wow. Yeah, it took a turn. It took a massive turn here. And again, when she's saying all of these things, we've seen Ashley talk a lot about sex, talk a lot about sexuality and all of this, like openness and doing this and that and experimenting and whatever. Now she's taking a hard stance against it.

I think where Ashley is, and we probably should have seen this coming. I think she is putting on a bit of a facade for the show. And I appreciate what she's doing because she does lean into the show. You want to be out there. You want to be dating around. Who cares if Giselle's kind of into this guy? They're not going to end up dating. I can go after this guy.

But you can make it a little weird and make it fun for the show. And I appreciate that. And at the same time, I feel like this seemed a little forced. And I think this was just, he gave her an opportunity to just kind of hone in on something and say, I've got two other guys that I'm trying to like. talk to here you're not my guy here's the reason i just don't think she believes oh okay i see what you're saying yeah so when she's saying it i'm like i don't believe you when you were saying fake i'm like did he did they talk beforehand to plans i see what you're saying she it's fake outrage yes

okay yeah all right that makes sense i actually agree with that but let's get to shannon and earl because they have a conversation and earl apologizes and i i don't know bro because this is the show within the shell. This is an awkward shell. It's awkward as shit. The rest is fun. She's like, I don't understand why you got angry. And I'm replaying the scene in my head. I'm like, you instigated this because

he was just sitting there quietly. You reacted about the vegetables, didn't like his response, then you try to pull him into a conversation about California, of which he knows nothing about, and was just sitting. He wasn't sitting staring angrily. He wasn't being uncomfortable. He was just there.

And you got pissed off at him. I think he was being a little uncomfortable, but the vegetables comment. The vegetables comment. He definitely got like flashbacks. He definitely has some trauma in there from a past relationship or past marriage. Let him collect his thoughts.

You don't have to bring him into a conversation about California of all places. You're talking to Phil. Yeah. Talk to Phil. And she tries to pull him into that. And then he has a response because I thought that the way that she did it

was a little inflammatory. I thought it was poking the bear a little bit. So then he reacts. And she's like, whoa, whoa. I'm like, what the fuck my? am I the only one that sees this stuff? No, definitely not, but at the same time, this is kind of a battle within myself

where I'm looking at this completely thinking, good. Stop, I can't handle this anymore. I've had enough of Earl and Shannon. Yeah, I agree. It's too much for this show. And it was funny at first, but now it's getting a little too deep. And you can tell it's actually affecting Shannon. And it's really affecting Earl.

I know. Earl's a mess. Earl's an absolute mess. Earl's got to go. Well, they're talking through it, and he's like, you know, the vacate. comment where you say something you snap your neck at me and he's like it's a trigger. I had a

this is sad but it's like wow we're really getting into it. Yeah. Raising your voice is a trigger because I had a bad childhood. I don't like loud voices. And then she's like well everyone at the table got involved. She really raised her voice though either. It's just a bad situation. It's a bad situation

and then she gets mad at him for the whole table getting involved and I'm like you pulled Phil into it. Yeah. Phil also saw an opportunity to like stir the pot and he did. By the way, it's a reality TV show with other housewives who have been here before saw the signs and they took it upon themselves to get involved. You could even see Giselle looking down like, oh no, I'm going to make a stink about this. Yeah, definitely. Of course. You're a housewife. That's what you do. It's your job. So it's not

really either of their faults that this was going on. They have to separate because it's very weird. But it's taking away. It's the way that Shannon's laying it out. Yeah. That's not what happened. and that's annoying for me. Yeah. That irritates the shit out of me. But also, like, Earl is picking up on, like, meaningless comments, and he's like, you're being mean to be about this. Earl is not, like, Scott Free here.

No. Earl is also adding to this mess of this brand new toxic relationship that came out of nowhere. I'm not, like, defending Earl. I'm just saying Shannon's response to everything and Shannon retelling what happened is simply not what occurred. Yeah, it's not. But it's crazier. that, you know, Earl apologizes, I handled it poorly, I'm sorry.

In a confessional, she's like, he's making me rethink everything. I'm like, bro, you met him three days ago. Yeah. You shouldn't be thinking about anything. No. Why are you not flirting with anyone else? I know you're uncomfortable and don't know how to do it, but my God, making me rethink everything, you guys aren't even dating.

And this is actually, if you look at it for all of the housewives on this show, this is exactly what casting wanted. You get one person who's going to take it way too seriously. One who's leaning into how fun this could be with Ashley. Luan just kind of doing her own thing being Luan. Exactly. So we need. Can't be upset about that.

And then Giselle, who's seemingly closed off to anything possible. Until? Until. A Rolls-R. A double R. Now we're talking. He did say double R. No, I know.

Is that what we say? No. Okay. No, we don't talk about rolls. I'm going to try a thing. I don't know. I'm going to try a thing. What do you mean?

Is that what we say? We talk about rolls all the time? No, I'm saying I'm going to try a thing where I talk. talk about them more. And I'm just going to be like, oh, yeah, I saw a double R. Yeah. And see if anyone picks up on it. They probably won't because they're... Are you sound cool? I think I'd be cool if I say double R. Well, did it

sound cool when Phil said it? No. Yeah, it didn't. No. And by the way, I'm being sarcastic. I think anyone that speaks like that, that double... Just say Rolls, Royce. Just say Rolls. Just rolls. We all know what we're talking about. Yeah. Or O Royce. No one says that. Just do the Michael Kane voice.

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Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best. of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. Let's get to JKB and the crew. We're getting a night recap. And in this moment, this I felt bad for Earl. And I know the girls are going to stick up for each other. And I appreciate that. Giselle is just standing up for her fellow housewife. But Giselle goes in on him. Yeah. That didn't sit well with me. I thought last night Earl needs to go. We're not going to put up with any of this shit. Absolutely. I was like, damn, I really hope

Giselle watches back and goes, it might have been a little tough on Earl. Yeah. Just the hair tough on Earl. Because it wasn't. Like, drawing a hard line of the sands. Like, that's the line. There's a line.

Anything past that? You got to go. Well, no, I agree. It's not how, what are you? Like, bullying J.K.B. into doing this? Well, I agree. If we have men yelling at the housewives, then, yeah, that should be get out of here. That's not what occurred.

And the way that she's painting it. It's like, Earl's this monster. I'm like, he's weird and awesome. And yeah, he's combative with certain things, but he's not this, like, terrible guy. Yeah. I felt bad for Earl. Shannon's going to cry at the drop of a hat. Let's be honest.

Exactly. It's just, whatever. We're getting one-on-one dates. Everyone gets to go out on a different location and have a one-on-one. So, Luan, she picks James, Ashley picks Waleigh. She's not into Jason. She steps back from Ralph for now. because, you know, he's into Giselle, and Giselle's into him.

So we want to see where that goes. Again, the seriousness factor, can Wale and I get back to a good place? I would hope so. You just met. It shouldn't be that serious. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're being a little too critical.

It's hard. I know. I get it. But I, at the same time, and I'm not like an Ashley apologist by any stretch, but I know what she's doing. She's just trying to make the show seem a little bit more. And here's the thing. And it might sound like I'm being a hater right now.

I'm not. I love this show. And I think it's great. And I do understand that they're playing it up. And I appreciate that about. And this crew specifically when you get somebody like Ashley, like she's going to lean into it. And I appreciate it.

I'm more so saying because of her dating history and how she has moved about with Josh. And I somewhat believe that she's like actually buying into it. Kind of being serious about it. Yeah. So I'll raise you this. If Luann sat there at a confessional and said, you know, I have to see if me and James can get back to that place that we really enjoyed. I would laugh.

You would laugh and you'd be like, all right, Luanne. Yeah, she's just, but with Ashley, I'm like, are you being serious? Because you might be serious. I don't think she is, yeah. I don't know. But yeah, I'm not, I don't hate this show despite these proclamations. It's just irritating. Yeah.

That's all. I get it. Only because I'm like, dude, it's not that serious. I don't know. I don't know. Sorry, I'll lighten up everybody. My bad. You can save that energy for Shannon and Earl.

Okay, you're right. Everybody else, it's like, who cares? Maybe Ashley caught a stray because we just got done talking about Shannon and Earl. That might have been what it was. But Giselle picks Phil. And this might be the most, like, oh, wow, I think she's actually surprised that she's actually into Phil. Kind of into him, yeah. Yeah.

And look, he's an interesting character for sure. And I like the reservedness. And it's like, oh, you've got to really get to know him to get to know him. And he's got these houses. You got a house. Slow burn. It is a slow burn. and with a lot of money.

Yeah. It seems like there's more there, too, because I don't know if you saw the watch What Happens Live after, it was after Atlanta, where Ashley's on there talking about Phil and Giselle, and she said, yeah, I don't know. Maybe there is something there. I could see them dating back home. Maybe they, oh, we do. Someone said that there is one housewife from this show that is still dating somebody

from the show. And I hope it's not Shannon. Oh, dude, Shannon and Adam is, makes me more uncomfortable than anybody else. Adam, Adams. Is it his scarf? It's a lot. Yeah. I'll get to Adam.

Adam, yeah. Adam was way better as a background character. He was so much better until this week. I do not like that. So much better until this week. Shannon picks Adam. So I thought Earl handled it well. He's like, you know, I just, and again, this, like, I just wanted to be happy.

I'm like, my God. Guys, let's settle down. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and just, everyone needs to go. You know what we need? It's always tough to see your ex with another guy. That's exactly the vibe. But do you know what we really need? And it would just kind of like clean slate and everyone

be back to like, ha-ha fun times. Everyone needs to get plastered together. Yeah. Big margarita party with some tacos and just fucking get platt. Eh. That could go south. There's two people in particular who we've been talking about a lot. Yeah.

And if they did get plastered, I would not. I don't think it would be fun, actually. Yeah. Damn it. Everybody except for those two. Yeah. Yeah, they can go. Actually, Earl just has to go home.

He's going to. He's got to go. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Cliffhanger, but. I can't believe how hung I was on that. Cliff, I still am. I'm like, oh, my God.

Did you imagine if he stays after all that, too? After what? I don't know what it was. I don't know what's in there. But anyway, we get to the adventure dates. I thought, which show do we see where they drove an ATV across the bridge? Is that Roslick?

I thought they were too. Yeah, yeah, it was Roslick. They got the mud all over them. Is this the same place? No. They didn't go to Cobo. They didn't do that in Cobbo. No, they did that.

Oh, wait. Now you're mixing a couple of other. there's that that could have been bachelor oh that was bachelor that was is this but they did ATVs in salt lake it could be the same one this might be the same place it might be the same bridge actually i think that it was because they were in mexico yeah wow see shut out that bridge you can cross shows they're already using the same places if you're going to use the same locations how lazy is that trademark trade copyright right we go all right we got it boom done back to the adventure dates Wale and Ashley are going on a big swing.

Phil and Giselle are going on the ATV, Shannon and Adam, camel riding, Lou and James, ziplining. All right, so let's get through this. Big swing is the answer. Big swing is what you would do? A,000 percent. Yeah, same.

At ATV and second, and then camel riding, whatever. I've done all of these except a camel ride. I haven't done the camel ride. Ziplining, no thanks. Ziplining always sounds better than it actually is. You know? You know, that South Park episode where they did that? Yeah, exactly.

It's like a documentary. Perfect way to do it. so bored, we're about to die. Yeah. Like, that's the first two, you're like, this is sick. Then the last 10, you're like, all right. Yeah, you're going through like a rain forest or you're going through some trees. And you're like, whoa, this is going to be so cool.

We've got a big one over here. Trees look the same. Going by, you know, 30 miles. I would rather hike through the trees and go see some cool shit. But anyway. Maybe get bit by a spider or something. Yeah, that'd be sick. You can turn into Spite.

Man. Nice. But anyway, Ashley and Waleigh have a very hot and heavy makeout after the swing. and looked uncomfortable. The makeout. Make it out in the swing like reaching. Yeah, and you're like swaying. Hey, hey, I think that what I was impressed.

Those things do. I think it breaks down your barriers, you know? The adrenaline, they're just like, smooch me. Just kiss me. Just give me a gift. I don't care of the reach around. That's what we all think about. Anyway, Shannon brings up the fact.

And I think that she's leaning into this because the ladies in that meeting in her room, said that she deserves somebody more sophisticated. Did you notice how many times she talked about that this episode? Yeah. She's like, I noticed that only three people put their napkin in their lap. Me, you, and Luann. We have more in common than Earl and I in her confessional. I spent the entire time talking.

But again, she's like, it's the level in which she gets to. It's like, this guy's the right guy for me immediately. So you eat and veggies. Yeah, you eat vegetables. Hell yeah. Great of green. Marry me. This was just a revenge date, I thought.

until later but I think it could be good and you can look at it like a pallet cleanser even though I don't like Adam no that's the whole thing had she dated anybody else it would have been a pallet cleanser yeah because Adam is like weirdly vindictive yeah he's sort of like a sophisticated version of Earl right so it's what I thought it just I think it what it does it just highlights more things that are wrong with Earl which is unfortunate because he doesn't deserve that no he's sophisticated girl but if that's what she wrote in the letter went on a date with Adam and it proved how many things are wrong with you.

Here's what's wrong with you. Allow me to list them. It's a bullet point. He goes, I honed it on one word and I was so shocked. What if that word was vegetables? That would be so funny. He just can't get through the rest

because you read vegetables and got scared. Oh, God. But Adam, this comfy with Shannon. I'm really comfortable. Like, it's just no drama. I'm like, you guys, how much have you talked? No drama.

No drama. No dramas. Sat there the whole time. No drums. You know what Adam's doing. Adam's just trying to continue to stay there. Adam's trying to continue to stay there and he's going with the approach

if I'm going to tear down the other guy to make myself look better. That's his approach. Which also works for Shannon because Shannon can't stop talking about Earl. Correct. So yeah. So it's a win. It's a win-win. James and Luann. Wow. So much electricity here.

Sexual tension is palpable. Yeah. They're talking. It works for Luan. It's not working for me. No, me neither. But like, James. James is perfect for Luann because he's quirky, because he's not bashful, he's confident in himself. A little strange. A little strange.

But she's like, you know, I need two things in a man. He's got to be kind. He's got to have a big pee-pee. Private plane. Nah, I'm talking about dick. Yep. I don't like James after this scene. No, I, yeah.

Because the story that he tells me is, if my father said this to me, I would be not happy. The story goes It's like small dick energy after all of this That's what I think too Starting with the dad Which is hereditary But

I think we'll know Because Luann takes him back to the room after this episode We'll know because she's going to talk about it Which is why I love Luan She's not ashamed of anything She's going to tell us what's up And look Let's be real

We all want to know now If this guy has a big dick or not Got to confirm it Right? Yep Yeah that's just science We've got to know But the story goes

my father and I were in Italy and my dad went to the bathroom when he came out he goes you're never going to believe what this guy said to me he looked at me and goes you have the arm of a baby I don't know how it

respond if my dad talked about his penis size I mean you've been in the situation when you went to the bathroom you said that's the Stanley Tucci in Italy the Tuch The Tuch just dropped the new show on Netflix or Hulu called like Tucci in Italy

Hell yeah. I wonder if I'll be in there, you know, helping him pee. In the bathroom talking? Yeah. No, that's not what happened. I didn't see it. Do you have a conversation to the bathroom? I did have a conversation in the bathroom, but it was away from the toilet.

I just said, oh, my God, I'm such a huge fan. I have your cookbook at home. And I came to this restaurant, came to this restaurant because you recommended it as the best carbon error in the world. That was it. Yep. And then shook his hand, zipped his pants up, and I left. There he go. Anyway, where are we?

James and Luann. She asks, is that hereditary? He says, find out for yourself. And then they cuddle. Yeah. Yeah, so. It's a good 16-year-old's pickup line. Whatever.

Find out for yourself. He absolutely says, showering without me? Yeah, he's that guy. Yeah. Or, like, I'm going to jump in the shower. Ooh, can I come? Yeah. Like that, that kind of guy.

But let's get to Giselle and Phil. And they're talking about kids. good move, great move. You know, she's an empty nester. And he's like, I feel like I'm an empty nester because my son, he's out and about. I don't really see him a lot. So it does feel like I'm an empty nester now.

And it goes all the way back to, he didn't date really until his son was ready to leave the house because he wanted to dedicate all of his time to his son. I'm like, you either watched Potomac or you just have the best lineup to say to her right now because that's literally what she did. She stopped dating after her and Jamal got divorced.

That's, it's just a different type of game that we're not familiar with. Phil's game? It's, yeah. Did you catch the Phil's game last night? Ah, hey. No, it's more like single parent game when you're dating. Okay. Talking about how, like, this could be an issue because we talked about it.

Wait, wait, a single parent with adult kids dating. With adult kids dating. Yeah, it's kind of niche. It's new. It's very niche. Yeah. But. Ooh, there's a dating app, trademark.

Niche? I mean, that's actually pretty good. Wait a minute. Wait. Wait. Just a minute. No king shaving. Yep, exactly. But we saw that with the women when they came into the love hotel talking about how it's a red flag if you've never been married before.

It's a red flag if you're not dating recently. You don't have enough going on. This is how you get away from that. So you green flag it. Yes. You make it a green flag by saying, well, you know, I just dedicated my life to the kids. Now you're normal again. Yep.

Now you're a normal human being again. But I would go. as far to say, Giselle slightly smitten. He's saying all the right things. He's hitting all the right notes. About as smitten as we've seen her. Yes.

And I think that because of her closed-offness to this experience, it's even more likely, I think, that she would get stunned and be like, wait a minute. Yeah. Because she's trying so hard to be like, nah, this isn't that serious.

Now she's like, oh, shit, maybe it is. I just love how she's denying it, too. What do you mean? I'm closed off. I'm not closed off. Yeah, to everybody. You are.

We're watching it. It's fun. She started off in the first or second episode looking like she was just there to have a good time. It looks like she's kind of over it. And I think she got to be... She got taken off guard. Yeah. Yeah.

I think Phil, Phil, you slide dog. Slide dog. You slide dog. You slide dog. You slide dog. You'll do the hole in my heart. Yeah. Oh, well done.

Let's talk about Wale and Ashley because JKB fixed us. Mm-hmm. This is why I'm saying, I think it's a little more serious. I think she's slightly more serious. I think here's this. Here it is. I got it. In the moment, I think she's serious.

I think when she has some separation from the show or even the scene, maybe she comes back down to Earth a little bit. Because she also has Josh waiting at home. Yep. And they're still dating, right? As far as I know. I haven't heard anything. Whatever they're doing. Yeah.

They're doing something. Orbiting. Orbiting. Oh, yeah. What was the other one? Roaching. Roaching. What's that one?

When you turn off the lights. They scatter. Is that confirmed? Did not even bother confirming about it. I do not care. That's our definition now. That was really funny. But they start to get into, you know, Wally's feelings because obviously Ashley's dating other dudes while she's there.

And he's like, look, I have no issue with that. But just because you're dating others, don't forget about me. She claims that she didn't forget about him. Do you think that Ashley forgot about him? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Why?

Forgot about him as a possibility. Okay. I think that she moved on. And then Jason didn't work out. So she went back. She went back. She backtracked. She backtracked.

Yeah. Walee seems to be the safe bet. Yeah, he's the safe bet, and I think it's the safe bet because she knows he only wants to be with her. Versus other guys who were like, yeah, you know, I'm going to see how this goes. He pigeonholed himself. Oh, interesting. So he's always going to be there. Her claim is I didn't kiss anyone else here.

Foreshadowing. Big, big foreshadowing. And Wale gives her another note, which is a good move. He's playing the right. Borderline. It's getting to a point. If we get one more note, it's done. It worked.

I know it worked. She needs a partner who keeps making me feel special. How the fuck did that take me not wrong to read that? No, it was very odd, though. It was just a weird, anytime that they have conversations anymore, it's just very weird because Wale is very threatened by all the things going on. He feels like his position with Ashley. What did he say?

Oh, fuck. I'm the main character in the Ashleyverse or something later, which he's referenced the Ashley verse before with her, but then he did it with the. guys later. I'm like, what are you doing? What is this? He's in a pickle. He's lost it. His mind is in a pretzel. And then when she said that she was into Ralph, it really sent him into a dark place. It really put

him into a frenzy. But even in this conversation, it was still just so awkward because he says something as up front as I felt like you forgot about me. And then when she says, well, yeah, I didn't really forget about you. He just goes in and kisses her. It's like, now you're never going to forget. I don't know. It's confusing. Yeah, it's very confusing. I don't think he knows what he's doing. Nope. I think he's, his mind's into pretzel.

Yep. Yep. Figuring it out. But the ladies huddle up after the adventure dates and Luanns into James, Waleigh, and Ashley made out, Shannon and Adam. He's very young. Mm-hmm. Okay. And Shannon did think about Earl whilst she was there and refers to him as her security blanket.

Yep. All right, whatever. Giselle. Moving on. I don't care. I don't want to unpack that. Nope. Jaze drops the double R.

the Rolls Royce, blah, blah, blah, and I think, again, she's taking it back that she might actually be into Phil, which is exciting. Now, let's get to the good stuff. Oh, yeah. Ralph and Ashley, because Ralph approaches her, and again, if you think that this is just a genuine line and actual curiosity, you're not picking up on what he's putting down because he comes up and says, I want to touch base about last night. I didn't think I had a shot.

Do you really think that at no point he thought he had a shot? I think that he might have been I genuinely was shocked last night. Okay. All right. I think that it's tough because maybe he... All right. Sorry, I'm doing a lot of internal thinking right now.

I think that he was surprised. I don't think maybe he... Banana. I think maybe he thought he didn't have a shot. Yeah. But I think once he realized that he might have a shot, that's when his game turned on. Correct.

And now he knows what he's doing. Yep. So now he's playing it the right way. That's... Okay. I'm glad I got there finally, but he says, is it worth it to shoot my shot? I don't want to mess things up with Waleigh, or is that what she says? Fuck.

Oh, that is what she says. But Ashley goes to a confessional and says, is it worth it to shoot my shot and fuck things up with Waleigh? You know, I respect Giselle, but she's not really looking at Ralph anymore. She's with Phil, and I'm looking at Ralph, and my God. So we see her start to lean towards the Ralph side of things. get too heavy yet the forbidden fruit he is the forbidden fruit it's the forbidden fruit but shannon and adam are again talking about earl and earl is too emotional okay yep uh and this is where adam and i hate this move this is such dirty pool bush league shit he's just not the right guy

for you it's like look dude you can win this thing outright yeah but don't don't be bashing other guys in the process that's you shouldn't be talking about another man no that's that's worm behavior We're in behavior. That's when I started to really dislike Adam. I hate him even more later, but not hate. That's that strong. Dislike. You can't hate anybody at the Love Hotel?

No. Just dislikes. A hate hotel. Yeah, that's a different show. But Ashley and Ralph are still viving, and you can see Waleh kind of watching in the background, flustered and bewildered. It's probably the best word for it. And Ralph goes with like a high school move, arguably middle school. I really want to kiss you.

Let's put it out there. he knows exactly what he's doing. He's putting it out there so it's in her head and also knows that way she knows I want to kiss her but then I'm not the creepy guy that like leans in

just to go off and ponder about it for a bit because then you see exactly what happened. He knew this might happen. She goes off, she's tempted but she walks away, flips a 180. A turn. The old K-turn comes back.

Tries to get Adam to leave. Adam clearly wants to see what's going on. I'm just going to grab another drink. You're going to go ahead and take my time getting... I'm the only one at the bar, but it's going to take me 20 minutes to get a drink. And they start making out, making out. And he's growling at her and shit. He's growling in her ear.

And pulling her in. And that's exactly what she wanted. It's exactly what she wanted. It's not exactly what I wanted. No. Once he starts pulling that shit out, you know, leave some to a mystery. Yeah. Better when I don't know what the hell's going on there.

Adam walking by the mother making out was funny. But she goes to Giselle. and they're a confessional, and she's like, I kissed her. I knew Giselle wouldn't give a shit. No. And she's like, I kissed Ralph, and they both laugh at it. And she's like, whew, time stood still. This was it.

He's the man for me. Yep. I think it's just sexual, if we're going to break it down from a relationship standpoint, you know, but it's the love hotel. Have some fun. But we get to the next morning, and Adam and James are talking about the friction that could potentially be brewing between Ralph and Wallet. And James is like, well, you know, nothing happened. So everything will probably be fine. And I was like, oh, no, something totally happened.

Something super totally happened and tells James about the smooch. And I love that we get a Harry Dubin shout out. I haven't heard that name in a very long time. And Harry Dubin was the gentleman that made out or boy. He made his rounds and Roney. Yep. That's a good way to put it. He made the Rony rounds.

But let's get back to Ashley and Giselle. Now they're talking about everything. And she's like, are you really into it? to Ralph. And she's like, I do want to pursue him. I have dated older men before. And then Giselle takes a shot, which is kind of funny. She's like, well, you trashed Ralph. And Ho's before Bros. When did she trash him? I don't remember her trashing Ralph. I don't either. I think that it could have been something off camera. Maybe Giselle was talking about Ralph. And then Ashley had a comment here or there. I think that was maybe because Ashley thought that she didn't

have a shot with her. Possibly. So it was like, yeah. Or maybe she trashed him and then it kind of clicked. Oh, yeah. Okay. Or you've had a thing, and then you're like, oh, wait. He's not your type. He's my type. He's my type. Ralph's everybody's type. What are we talking about here?

But in the midst of this conversation, and Ashley being in a little pickle because she's between Wale and Ralph, Ralph comes in. The producer's 100% sent Ralph there, but that's neither here nor there. And he plays it well. He's like, I'm confused. Sitting down in the middle of them? Smooth, man.

He knows what he's doing. This is not his first radio. This is when it started to click from me. I'm like, yeah, he knows what he's doing here. It starts to make more sense. He was like, this crashed my system. Don't get a lot from you, Giselle. I want to explore things with you, but.

Now I've got this. I've got Ashley now. So see you, Giselle. What do we do? Yeah, what are we going to do? He puts his arm around both of them. What are we going to do? How are we going to figure this one out?

If it doesn't work for Ralph, it's not going to work for anybody. That's a good point. That's a good way to put. Whether it's James or Adam. Good point. It's a good point. But Ralph, I like that he told Waleigh, man of honor, goes up and tells Waleigh. I don't know how he's processing this whole thing.

We see the confessionals and stuff later. Like, Walee, he's in a tough place. He's in a tough place. He's trying to come to terms of a lot. He's sort of like coming together with, I think he's just creating a thing in his, like, a whole narrative in his head in this fantasy world where he is the main character. In the Ashleyverse. He is the main character in the Ashleyverse. that's being character energy, laying across the couch like that.

You're a contestant on this show. You're not one of the housewives. His confessionals are my favorite. They're incredible because you can watch him in real time just trying to figure things out, spin it in a good way for himself, and even then he's still just coming up short. Yep, and just staring off into the ceiling. Like, what the fuck is my life right now? But we get to what I have named the Last Chance Workout in honor of the biggest loser.

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Which is exactly what you would expect from Shannon. 100%. She took this too serious to begin with. She went with the first guy that showed any interest, fell in love with him, basically married him and got divorced within three days. Yep. And now she is the scorn decks, and she's realizing, wow, there's so much better stuff out here. You picked Earl 2.0.

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You can't go on a date. He's not even looking at the camera, too. He's just staring. He's talking to God right now, trying to make sense of this. And he's like, What do we do it at the Love Hotel? He's like, you can't go on.

on a date with Wale. He's at the point now he's referring to himself in the third person. So that's where he's at mentally. But you can't go on a date with Walee. Then wear the same clothes. You didn't brush your teeth. Decorum. I'm like, valid. I think some of that's valid. Grapes are valid. They're valid. They're very funny.

They're very funny. And you're also on a show where they're supposed to date multiple men. So it's kind of an asterisk on that one. But decorum. I'm going to name this episode decorum. Yeah. But Jay, who I forgot was, Jay has floated by on a free vacation.

Yeah. You know, there's more guys coming next week. I know. I wonder if Jay's going to, like, what if he makes it again, that would be great. Maybe him and Giselle just have an agreement where it's like, oh, I know you want to stay here. So, like, yeah, you can just chill in the back. I've got another key from last time that I didn't use. Yeah, there's next.

Oh, yeah. I got a rollover key. At this point, honestly, pretty much anything we say to JKB, he's just going to say okay, too. Yeah, so there you go. You're going to stick around for a little bit longer. But, you know, he's talking about how nobody's cracking G. And I'm like, somebody is,

somebody's finally cracking. Really but surely. Yep. And a lot happens during this scene, not all of it's notable. I do want to talk about Adam and Luan. Yeah. Because this was a weird moment.

I didn't like it. I don't know what happened, really. Like, I don't know if this was, because they're both worldly and they're talking about how worldly they are.

They're talking about the prayers in Istanbul. They're talking about all sorts of cool shit that they've seen throughout the world while he's wearing a neckerchief. And when they break the conversation, there's a kind of kiss? Yeah.

What was that? Was that a worldly let's kiss kind of? It was like the edge of a mouth? It was the edge of the mouth. It looked like to me, Adam went in for a kiss. And she kind of moved in the last second. Maybe she was called off guard. It was confusing.

I thought it was going to be a cheek and then like really force the cheek. Well, who is he to think that he's gotten that far to lean in for a kiss? That's why I was like, is this a worldly thing? Yeah, I'm not accustomed to. Yeah. It's a fancy people doing. Okay. You see Jason try to make himself relevant one last chance

because Ashley and Ralph are talking on the couch and then Jason comes up. Don't third wheel like that. Who's that in the first episode? That guy. You remember. Oh, my God. Yeah.

No, it wasn't the first episode. It was the second. Craig. Craig was in the new prop of dudes. Craig, yeah. This is a very Craig move, Jason. You saw Craig do it. So you should know better.

Like how nice they were to. like, oh, you just want to sit near the fire? Sure, he's like, I just want to warm up a little bit. You guys keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, I want to watch. I'm not even here. Oh, wait a minute. He wants to watch.

Oh, it's the third guy. There you go. Play my cards. So you haven't changed. You liar. Actually was right not to trust you. You're doing the same shit. That's great.

But Luann takes James back to the room. But not before Adam walks between Luann and Shannon and says, one of the more backhanded compliments, I think you can say to anybody. If you took the things I like about you and the things I liked about you and put them into one person, that'd be the perfect woman.

It's like way to bash them both. So you don't like either of them? Not all of them. Nope. No, you like parts of each one of them. But if you put them together, little Luannan. Boy, oh boy. Luannan. Wow, that worked really well. But Shannon and Adam, one more time, why not? Because

it's nice to have a connection, as he says. And then he continues to say it, because he ran out of things to say and it gets wildly uncomfortable while Shannon's sitting there I don't think you can be more open body language wise to kiss me yeah come on she's like this like leaning at him and he's sitting there without anything to say anymore and just kind of nodding and says like yep yep yep all right yep yep yep and uh I hit the old dusty trail yep I'm gonna walk you to the door and then you get the most awkward goodbye where like she tries to kiss him yeah She leans in and then side shuffles for a weird hug.

To his credit, he hadn't brushed his teeth since he had that weird kiss with Luam. Oh, decorum. Okay, fair enough. But she decides in that moment, I'm done without him. Good. I like that shit. Yeah. Move on to the next one.

She needs to learn that. Maybe she learned something from the Earl stuff. She finally got away from it enough. It's all about learning from past relationships. That's all it is. And I think she moved further away from Earl, realized, oh, there's other guys here. This guy's not for me. That guy's definitely not for me.

Maybe she'll move on. New guys coming next week. Let's see. Played a long game. I still don't know. Are we week to week with everybody? No idea. Yeah, I don't know what the timeline is at all.

But then we get the Love Hotel song, sung by James and Luan. James is playing the guitar. We get the everybody kumbaya moment, which did make me like the song as we talked about earlier. But Ralph and Ashley, one more time. And this, again, shows you that this man knows

exactly what he's doing with this line. I'm trying to be respectful. Should I not be? I'm like, ooh, Ralph, my God. It's broad daylight, buddy. It is 10 a.m. sir. What the fuck? But it ends with Shannon and Earl needing to have a serious conversation.

And she says in a confessional, he's going to get eliminated. He's not coming back. But I wrote him a letter. One final send-off. One final send-off for Earl, and she hands him the letter. And what looks like it's written in Sharpie, I didn't think I would get Cliff hung that hard. I just want to say, I'm going to see what that word is.

I need to know what this letter says. I focused in on one word. I need to know. And it shocked me. Like this is one thing, I never spoil things. I never Google things. I always like to be, this is one thing I might have to try to dig into and figure out what the fuck was said.

Wow. I need to know it was on that letter. Yeah. How are you not cliffhung? I'm cliffhung. I just, I like being cliffhung. I do too to a certain extent, but I, let's get us some questions. God damn it.

First one up here from Amanda Grace 1129. Are they just not into Ralph anymore? Who? Everybody's in the Ralph. Yeah, what do you mean? It's just, he's with Ashley. Amanda, we're going to need clarification on that. I don't know if you meant somebody else

or you're watching a different show, but everybody's into Ralph. Yeah, Ralph is still, to my knowledge. Very relevant. Yeah, interesting. Like, imagine if Ashley and Ralph didn't work out, Shannon would be obsessed with him. Shannon would be in. Giselle would probably...

The Wann would probably give him a shot after the whole James thing doesn't work out. And he turned the Wann down, which probably makes the Wann want to get to know him a little bit better. From Caitlin Cruz, what are our feelings about Ashley? Is this too messy? No, I think she understands the assignment. Yeah, no. And she's actually doing a good job. We want mess.

Mess is good for these shows. From Jamie Gibbs, is Ralph better for Ashley or Giselle? I mean, Ralph's good for anybody. He's good for anybody, and I do think, I think he's a bit of a chameleon, too, because I feel like if he sat with Giselle, he wouldn't be saying the things that he's saying to Ashley. I agree. I think he can read a room. Yeah.

So I think he would be able to figure it out. You know, we don't age shame. No. But I don't know. We haven't really seen, like, good moments with him and Giselle. It's been like a little bit here and there. Well, the interesting thing, and I didn't realize it until he said it in the brief confessional with the other dudes that didn't get invited on a date.

He still hadn't been on a date. So he's like, like you said, this unattainable figure that had never even gone on a date yet everyone's into the guy. It's like The Bachelor. I didn't get my one-on-one date, but I'm still here in the semifinals. Yes, he's, yeah, that's it. And last one here from Miranda and 412. Seems like Shannon wants to be the only one in a relationship with trauma.

Well, that's possible. I mean, it's tough to say, honestly. Mostly because those situations with her, her and, um, Earl are just so uncomfortable. They're wild. And I try not to think too much about them. I try to focus on the fun stuff. Yeah.

And apparently I got too stuck on it this episode. It was hard not to. But like, I don't know. I think it all comes back to what we talked about last week. Mentally, she was not ready to be on this show. Yeah. Then she's taking it too seriously. That's, that's where I'm at with.

Definitely. But great show. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Very great show. But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show.

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