Bros & Shows - Red Flag Football: Team Love vs Team Destroyer (RHOC Full Recap w/ Real Moms of Bravo)

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

Whats up Bros?! It is RHOC time and we are joined by two very special guests, Vanessa and Abby aka The Real Moms of Bravo! We had a blast discussing Shannon and Alexis and whether or not Alexis is planning on having any other storyline than Johnny J. The flag football game is a little anticlimactic but Jenn and Gina hash things out after the game. Gina lets the other ladies know that she's a little overwhelmed with the Travis stuff. Also, What is Emily's beef with Jenn? We get a real time look at Travis packing up and leaving the house (and saying goodbye to the dog...) Meanwhile, Alexis appears to be taking over Shannons life... All that and more on todays episode! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros. I am your co-host Steel Russell joined as always by the one and only Shooter Magouter and we have two very special guests today We have Vanessa and Abby, the real moms of Bravo. Finally, what is up? How is everybody doing? Hi. We're so excited to meet and talk with you guys.

We're so excited. One of our followers actually was requesting this collab, someone who listens to both of our shows. So shout out to everyone who supports both of us. You know, we're out here podcasting. It's a hustle. It's a grind, but we're doing it and so excited to be here. This is Vanessa speaking. Since there's lots of voices, this is Vanessa, and then the more sweet, gentle voice is Abby.

The more nasly voice is really what she means, yeah. Shoots, how are you doing today, pal? I'm doing all right. Yeah, Vanessa just said that a couple of her fans have reached out. We actually had a couple of people in our DMs talking about doing things with you guys. So it makes sense. Let's get the two of us together and we'll have a little fun breakdown of OC today. I have one concern.

Since you are the real moms of Bravo, I cuss a lot. I'm going to try my best to not cuss as much. We have a swear jar. Yeah. Okay. No, we cuss. I'm totally kidding. You have them, though, because we can do that.

I think it's so funny that people think when you become a mother, all of a sudden, like you're like this like classy little thing. No, we trust like sailors as well. So we just tried not to do it in front of our kids. but we cuss. My mom has the worst mouth ever. She cusses more than anybody. I know.

So I was just making sure we like to start with that because we tend to say a lot of F words and stuff. So I just like to get it out there. And if you do have a swing in your car with your children, F words, F bombs are coming. Yeah. We've had people reach out and go, oh, I was listening to you guys in the car with the kids. I was laughing. So I was like, whoa, don't do that.

Well, also, like, Bravo isn't a topic. kids should be hearing about you know it's like you know most of it is not kid appropriate so yeah like maybe maybe pop in the air pods or you know if you're a bond driving a minivan like me give the kids the headphones that come with the van and let him watch the movie there you go yeah there's a plug for the for a honda odysseys right there so you can i do drive an odyssey i like i don't i love my odyssey if you ever want to get a minivan just dm me and i'll give you i've did all the research so friends has two twins under four and a daughter under two. And he finally made the switch to a van. And he called me, goes, dude, I know you're going to make fun of me, but this thing is awesome.

I fucking love my van. So you're on to something. Square jar. Yeah. Put it in. There's the first one. Yeah. I'll vendmell you a hundred bucks. I'll probably still owe you money at the end of this. Let's just do that up front. Yeah. But we are here to talk a little bit of OC. What do you guys, before we get into this recap. How did you both Vanessa and Abby feel about last season of OC? I want to gauge the temperature here before we dive in. So OC, I have a little bit of a bias because I mean, obviously for those of us that started with Housewives from day one, we started with OC. I think you've got to just respect the foundation that built Housewives. That being said, I mean, we've we've had some some rougher seasons. I don't think, I mean, the return of Tamara was great and has been

great. So I think, you know, you disagree. That's so funny. I do love Vicky, though. So I'm like, why are we, I do feel like, uh, Bravo as much as I love Bravo. Like the way they just like fuck with Vicki is so unfair. Like she's not a friend of. She's not full time. She's at every event. She's like, you know, and Vicki and I had a heart to heart where we both were holding hands and crying a little over a week ago. So like I feel like I have an even more newfound respect for her. But I thought last season was, it was, it was improvement. I mean, I feel like when we got rid of Tamara, we had Bronwyn, we had COVID, like those were some rough, rough seasons and we're slowly making our way up. But I feel like Steele, you disagree. Vanessa, I think disagrees too.

No, I was just going to say I don't remember last season. So I'm here for the ride. That said, C has, I've always felt this way about O'C. It's just, aside from the early, early years, it's never, like, really hit for me. However, I am enjoying it so far. I think we've got a good cast of women. You know, I don't know how I feel about newbie Katie yet. Like, I feel like that's like TBD, but I'm feeling, I'm feeling good, worried about Jen and her future. I think Gina's got some reasons to be concerned there, given everything that's in the news but I digress yeah I think I think it's a perfect storm too for this year because more importantly than the cast we have the cast going through a lot of traumatic events and that

makes for great TV all the time which they didn't have anything last year all they had last year was Tamara coming back trying way too hard sorry abby she was trying way too hard she brought a friend on the show then said I'm not really friends with you but we know that you brought her on the show and then you threw her under the bus immediately with her current boyfriend and ex-hundred husband and all this shit that she was going on and on about. So last season did not hit at all. And I agree with Vanessa. OC's a little hit or miss.

But I think that Vicky should be a mainstay in this show. And that's what they're lacking. They need her to be there all the time. You can't bring Alexis back on the show purely because she's dating John Jansen. Like that's the only reason that Alexis is back on the show. Otherwise, what is she doing? That's her number one goal here. That's all she's going to talk about.

Once that really dies out over the next like two episodes, we're going to be bored with her. why not have Vicky there? Vicky could easily do it. She knows what she's doing. She's a fan favorite. Everybody loves her. She whoops it up. That's all we really want to see. And we need that in the midst of all of these crazy downturns that are going on with Gina and Jen being poor and not being able to pay her bills. Like it's crazy. I need Vicky in there to whoop it up and have some fun. I'm confused how you get the Lifetime Housewife Award and then you still can't be on a show. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Is that to like, he's deeper at bay it's like here's your award now kick rock i think they can't afford her i think it comes down to numbers and given like she's asking more i'm sure what she deserves i'm sure it comes down to a numbers game there but i'm like just pay her please pay her and i don't imagine that heather dupro's not asking for a shit ton of money like or tamra i mean it's not well tamara actually is probably thirsty enough to come back for a smaller yeah she has to do publicity for her podcast that's what she's going for yeah no shit

no kidding but let's jump into this week and uh you guys talked about gina a little bit already so last week we had the brook ashley on our podcast and she read gina the entire episode and it was very funny but i'm curious because venez you had a little bit of a different take so i want to hear your response to that coffee shop date if you want to call it that that they had where Gina came in ready to go. She didn't really let Jen talk. She just was like, I'm going to crucify you in front of 30 people and not eat my croissant. And I'm going to leave my latte as well. What team were you on there? Well, how did you feel that way? Listen, I think Jen, like, confessional was very cute and funny. But at the end of the day,

I'm kind of team Gina here. I'm going to say it. I just think she's saying what we're all thinking like how are you paying for glam when you can't afford the house and you're whatever squatting like yes Jen might have like better one-liners and Gina's been like riding hard for her casita life for a long time now but I don't know I mean she could have been a bit more gentle sure I mean that you could say that about a lot of housewives but you know what I'm here for it I'm here for Gina kind of saying what we're all thinking truly all right and you don't think that With the background that Gina has, she might have been a little bit more understanding to everything going on in Jen's life. You just think she's going full throttle because she's been there.

I think tough love is sometimes you need to give it to someone. Was that love? I think so. I, listen, I want my good friends to shoot it to me straight. And they're not really like friends, friends. And she also screwed her over in her business. If someone came for my business that way and like made me look bad and in the press and you're affecting my wallet, Yeah, I'm going to give you what I would refer to as tough love. I also feel like a tough lesson learned for Gina. When you blur the lines of friendship and business, you can't skip steps.

Like, why wasn't there a financial, like, background check done to see, can she really, I mean, I don't know too many people that can afford $20,000 a month and rent anyway. But, like, why wasn't there a background check done? Or, like, you know, usually they, like, ask for, like, a W2. or, you know, didn't she have to put down first and last month and a security deposit? Like, if she couldn't come up with that, that might have been a little bit of a red flag. So I, I see Gina's point because I think Gina is someone who's like, hey, I've been in that spot. And I pulled myself out of it on my own.

And I didn't blame it on like me not knowing how to be an adult in my mid 40s. But I also think like she might be also kind of kicking herself for not doing a little bit more due diligence. Yeah, I feel like this is one of the more evenly matched arguments back and forth because no matter where you go, you're not really wrong. You can agree with Gina. You can agree with Jen. We both understand where both of them are coming from. We both understand that both of them have messed up along the way. There's a lot of mistakes made with no credit check. Like, Gina, why are you putting your career on the line for somebody that you just met like a year or two ago who you know already has money problems, but you're not going to do a credit check to see if she's paying for these things? So yeah,

you don't really get to talk on it too much, but you also do have the experience. So you can talk about it. We could talk in circles about this argument. And that's why I feel like it's very fascinating because there really isn't a correct answer. It's just watching two women try to work their way through it, realizing that they're both wrong and they're also both right. We understand that Jen, yeah, it's traumatic and she's not able to pay her bills and she's embarrassed by it. So yeah, she's not going to pick up the phone and call Gina and say, hey, I can't pay for anything. I'm poor. But you know what? I'm going to go ahead and get my makeup done so don't say anything about that. Like, what do you want her to do in that situation? So it's really

tough and there really isn't the right answer. So that's why I actually really like this because it's real and it's actually something that happened and not something that one of the castmates fabricated or one of the castmates just decided to make up inorganically and start talking about it in the middle of the show because we hate that but this seems real and I like that. It seems real but to me, I don't know. There was something about the way that Gina went about it immediately is it's almost like she was like finally I got something that I can really go after here like she was so excited about the idea that one she's no longer the broke one on the show and two it's like ooh i can make myself really relevant with this one and instead of like easing into it

she just went full gas like right out of the gate to when they're having that conversation do i understand being a little bit upset and that's what pretty much this entire first scene is is the aftermath of this conversation she facetimes emily i'm also not sure what emily's issue with jenna is yet but I just feel like she could have had a little more tact than maybe it would have landed better because she could be right. But I also feel like her talking about it at length and saying I didn't do a credit check and now she's talking about a client's issues on TV. Is she not doing more damage to herself than Jen getting evicted did?

Because that only affected the one relationship with whoever the owner of the house was. Whereas now she's saying out loud on TV. if you go do business with me, I might talk about your shit on TV. That's, that's my take. I don't know. But we can keep trucking and we get to the, the, I mean, I feel like, like Shooter said, we're going to go, we would go in circles. I think we could definitely bring up like match point, like a tennis match along this.

But I think Steele, you bring up very good points as well. But we all know we need storylines on this show. And I think Gina, I think is pivoting. If I'm going to go hard on Gina, I'm going to go harder on her on what the hell is going on with Travis, then this gender buckle. To me, this is like, here, look at this. I'm going to like pivot you guys to this shit to avoid whatever is truly going on there. It's funny, too, because I do think that aside for myself, who I'm definitely right, Abby and Vanessa, you're definitely right. Steele, you are actually wrong.

So there is somebody who can be wrong in this situation. I didn't even take the side. I said, did she come in too hot is all I said? Yeah, that's the wrong stance. That's the wrong sense. Not taking a side is wrong. Yeah, exactly. Correct.

I'm just kidding. I think that it's a great storyline. I'm on board for the storyline. I think it's great TV. I think we're getting a lot out of both of them. And it's two people that we needed to get a lot out of. You know, Gina is not a favorite on this show. She does have to show that she can hang.

So this is a good avenue for her to go. Jen, her whole thing last year was her versus Tamara. Can she do more? can she bring more to the show it's it's a good opportunity for everybody involved and it's fun to watch so shooter get the fuck off my back i'm on board for this we're cool but still it's it's you know how housewives work you have to pick a team i'm not picking tea i don't like the team you know what interesting none of the i mean emily's taking gina's side shannon is kind of taking jen's side but also like in confessionals not fully like no one is picking a side in this one which i

I think it's very un-housewife-like, which probably even further proves, like, this is real and legitimate. This isn't something like someone's bringing up or claiming they have receipts to prove it. Like, I mean, Jen's not denying it either. Like, this is actually going on. That's a good point. I think that that's something that's also really interesting is in every Housewives confessional that we've gotten about this topic, they do say, I understand that Jen's going through it.

That's a tough situation. but at the same time. Yeah, so that's, it's interesting. This is, it's new, new territory. People are riding the middle ground. So maybe I'm right and all of you are wrong. I like that better. We made our way there.

We figured it out. Nice job, everybody. High five is all around. No, we're going to keep moving. We're moving out of the next scene now. And that's flag football. And we made some predictions last week. I said that Shannon was going to be good.

Shannon scored the first touchdown. That's all I'm going to say. She had two touchdowns. She got a pity touchdown. Yeah, I was going to say Alexis grabbed her, grabbed the flag. I'm with Heather on that one. Like, she needs a win.

Just let her have a touchdown. She needed the W, especially if Alexis is the one that pulls her flag. It's like, of course, it's like, just let her have it. So I was glad that Heather gave her that one. But the team names are laughable to me. You got on one side, the destroyers. And they're like, what about team love? I'm like, ooh.

That is literally this dumbest. name i'm sorry you're playing football is competitive you're trying it's like you're potentially going to try to tackle someone team love like i i i would have been like fuck off like we're not doing team love everybody everybody that's how we're going to do this because what's rich is tamra's on that team i was like okay i don't i mean i wouldn't say she's full of love necessarily no well wait i think the funny thing about picking the teams too not even just the team names they tried to pick so that people who had beef with each other weren't on the same team because it's a team sport and you guys have to be near each other.

Actually pitting them against each other is worse. You should have them on the same team so that they can stand further away from each other. I don't know because maybe they can get some anger out. Yeah. The first play in the game ended in a tackle. They weren't even going for flags. Someone got laid out immediately. The next scene is Emily falling on the ground.

I also love that they only played a three. like once the other team got three points. It was like, it's over. It was given a touchdown. It's one point. I was just like, how long did you guys actually play for? Like, I don't know how long. I was thinking, like, and they had practiced for this.

Like, they took the time to practice. And it's like, all right, we played 10 minutes of football. Let's go grab some drinks. High fives all around. Nice job. But I do want to talk about, again, it's Gina-centric. But, you know, Jen, Katie, and Tamara and Alexis. are talking about Gina and, you know, that she's having a reputation ruined.

And this is where you get the scene from Tamara saying that she sees both sides. So I like, I like that they are able to not just dive head first because we've seen so many times, especially with Tamara, where she picks aside. And for all intents and purposes, what we've seen this season is she's anti-Shannon. I guess she's going up against Shannon this time. She's getting friendlier with Alexis. do you guys think that her friendship with Alexis is any kind of genuine or is this an opportunity and she's taking this season to go after Shannon?

She's going after Shannon. I mean, you could say, like, I don't agree with her choices. And I think because she, you know, like the decision she's made, she's going down a dark path. But like, if you really cared for someone, you wouldn't then say on national television, they also are secretly drinking and sneaking in booze at our live events. Like, I mean, I do feel like with Tamara, we've seen this. is almost like her blueprint. And she loves to be like up and down, up and down, up and down people.

Next season, it's going to be her rebuilding her friendship with Shannon and then moving forward as best friends. Oh, yeah. I also, though, think in terms of Tamara and given our recent interaction with Shannon, I'm like, get her Tamara. Get her Tammy Sue. I am not here for Ms. Shannon Stormsbadour. I was until she treated us like.

And others. It wasn't just. Yeah. Like, she was very rude to us, I will say. She was, we were recently at a watch party for Bravo, and it's Orange County. Shannon, Vicky, and Jen and Melissa Gorga were there. Melissa Gorga was lovely. Jen was lovely.

Ryan was lovely. Everyone was very kind. But even at, like, a fan event, Shannon was very much like, you know how, like, in the South they say, like, bless your heart. And it's like their way of saying, like, fuck off. She was very much like, yes, I do. That was her, like, energy. She was so condescending.

Yeah. She just wasn't, like, here for it. She didn't do anything mean directly, but she just was very cold and like, what are you? Yes. Like that kind of vibe. And so that gave me the ick really bad because I was ready to be like, Shannon, girl, I got you like, fuck Jesus Jugs, whatever, like Johnny Jair and all this shit. And now I'm like, hmm, I think you're, you expect a lot of people and you don't give a lot

back. Interesting. That paints a different light on it, for sure. Shed's a different light on it. I don't know, though, because we, some of our favorites are not very nice in person. And I feel like I'm not going to look at it against them. Yeah, we've met a couple. And we're like, oh, you are a terrible, terrible human being, but God, you are

entertaining on TV. Shadden, I think kind of falls into that category for me right now. You know what, though? Like, we're saying, like, listen, I don't expect everyone, like, Abby and I will say what you see is what you get. Abby had an encounter with Ramona. That was very Ramona singer. Abby, I'll let you tell the story.

But, like, I wasn't offended by that encounter at all. My thing was we were legitimately at a fan event and was just trying to say hello. And you were just being very disbanded. Well, and she was rude to other people, too. Because, like, we were talking to others and they're like, no, she was really. And so then I was like, okay, like, that wasn't just a weird one-off. But I'm just, I think that's the first person we've had where I felt like they were truly, truly rude. Ramona Singer did cut in front of me in the line for the bar at BravoConn

2022 and then did not pay for her drink and just like walked away and assumed it was covered because she was talent. But again, because I loved it because I'm like, that's so on brand. Exactly. I'm like, this is the most iconic moment of my BravoCon. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. I would never hold that against her at all.

No, not at all. I would probably thank her. Be like, thank you for being yourself. Yeah. had a run in at one of our shows with an OG New York housewife that could have gave a shit about us she she had no time for us but when she stepped on the stage she was outstanding so we didn't hold it against her but yeah we've had uh had interactions like that as well but um during the volvo fall experience event discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design that

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And it comes up, you know, she said it's four times a day. I said after episode one, it appears to me that Alexis is taking the Larsa Pippen playbook and is putting into practice all the things that Larsa does about her relationships. It's like, oh, me and Marcus are having sex 17 times a day. We never miss a night. The same with Scotty, I had sex 100 times a night, and we never missed a night for 20-something years. So I'm getting a lot of Larsa from her, and especially with this gym setup, like Alexis and John training at the same gym as Shannon, I feel like every single thing they're doing and the only storyline they're going to have this season is simply about her. taking Shannon's boyfriend, and I truly don't think that Shannon is that wrapped up in it.

I think that, yeah, it's irritating to her, but I don't think that it's landing nearly as as hard as Alexis thinks it is. And I'd love to get your take on that. I mean, I agree. I think like Alexis is coming in thinking like, I also get like I have, I hate when people without it really being asked, like give that information about their sex life. Like, great. Like, good for you. But also like, I agree. with, I can't remember now who said in their confessional, but like, no man on their 60s is having sex four times a day. Like, I mean, no one has time for that. And also as a woman, I mean, as a female, I don't think I really want to have sex four times. Like 30s, no one has time for that.

I mean, if you are good for you. But to me, it's giving the same energy of people who write long-ass captions on like wedding anniversaries or like birthdays about their loved ones. It's like a lot of projecting, which to me just gives off like insecurity. Like if you're that solid and you're, you're that good. No one needs to know all these details. We've talked about that a couple times, actually. And it had nothing to do with Bravo, Steele. You remember that?

Absolutely. Sure do. One of our big gripes. Yeah. Anytime I see, like, all the couples that I know that are, like, solid and in great relationships, very minimal social media presence, like they'll post things with each other. And it's like a short, cute caption, like me and my bestie, something small. And then every time I see, like, this person saved my life.

And without them, I don't know where I would be. I thank the Lord every single day for bringing her into my life because without her, I would be a lost ship at sea. And then they respond with a comment like, my love bug, heart, heart, heart emoji. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, is this Alexis and Johnny Jay? I thought you were talking about Doreet and Piquet. You could take your pick, especially in Bravo.

But that's always a major red flag. Like whether they are a celebrity or bravo levity or just a friend or somebody I know, anytime I see that, I'm like, oh, shit's not going well. It's the same thing when you see a person start posting a lot of inspirational quotes in their stories. You're like, oh, uh-oh, what happened? You're in a downtime? It's okay. You can talk to me.

If somebody dramatically gets bangs or goes from blonde to really dark for net, like life is throwing them some lemons. I, so I don't love Shannon because of just her attitude and stuff. I do, though, feel like Alexis, yeah, is going way too hard. And I'm like, Shannon, you know, she's made some bad decisions, but like, let her have her gym. You know, you're already like touting your sex life in front of everyone. Like, why are you trying to steal like her gym and her trainer? And it sounds like the gym is like kind of like, yeah, she's worked out here a few times,

but we're not like claiming her as our like number one client yet either. Yeah. And it's really funny too because it looks like Alexis is just trying to take over Shannon's life entirely when you go to the next scene where she's walking a dog that looks exactly like archie it's like what the fuck is going on like and i want to know too because i i'm really battling with myself on this one do you think that johnny jay is influencing her life alexis's life to be exactly like shannon hey we're going to go to this gym we're going to go to this trainer you're going to get this dog you want ever you want a shelter dog we're going to go find the best shelter dog

and it looks exactly like shannon's dog do you think he's just molding her into the new shannon so that he can continue to live his life and post pictures? Or do you think Alexis is that jealous of Shannon that she is just following everything that she's ever done? That's a really good question. My initial reaction is that Alexis isn't, she's too love bombed to connect the dots and to lead that charge. So I think it's Johnny Jay doing that and she's seeing them as romantic gestures as this

person cares about me and not putting like seeing two and two and be like, wait a second, Shannon had a golden retriever. Shannon works out at this gym. Like, I don't think she's, it's not adding up for her. Abby, do you agree or disagree? Well, so I think Johnny Jay is like, honestly, like, diabolical. Like, you've heard little glimpses from the other women of, like, things he would say about Shannon. So I think he's trying to, like, mentally fuck with her by being like, I'm going to get the younger, skinnier, prettier version of you.

And I'm going to live our life the life you could have had. but now you don't. And I feel like he, like, I don't know if he's quite molding her to be just like Shannon or if he thinks like, this will drive Shannon crazy. And so I'm going to just continue to encourage these things. I think it's both. I think that he is definitely diabolical. We made, uh, I cut our episode and made a little TikTok reel out of it two weeks ago.

And I, we went off on John Jansen. And it went like, it was going crazy on TikTok. And then it got pulled. for community guideline violation for bullying and harassment. But we've posted way, way worse things of us talking about other people on there. The only other time it's happened was also with an insecure person, JT from Southern Charm, and it got pulled. So we're, I want to say like 90% sure that they had something to do with, especially because

I appealed it, it got approved, reposted, and then got taken down again. I was like, God, you guys have you, if you're going to play this game, you at least have to have thicker skin because we tore him in the last hole it's like dude who are you that's my biggest question is i don't know who this guy thinks he is i don't know who Alexis thinks he is parading him around like he's some prize you would think that she's dating george fucking cluny and it's like this guy is a dud he does nothing he has a weird relationship with his own family he's had a bizarre relationship with Shannon for an extended period of time congratulations Alexis you just walked into a goddamn nightmare and you're out here bragging about it and it's crazier to me

me because, yes, I do believe that John is trying to be vindictive in saying, I'm taking to the same hotel that I took you to. I'm taking to the same restaurants I took you to. I'm taking pictures on the boat that we used to go out on. They're doing every single thing that he used to do with Alexis. And I think that one, he has a playbook. People like him always have a playbook. Two, he wants to rub it in Shannon's face. But at the same time, Alexis does too. I think that she is taking the opportunity to kind of follow his lead. I do think she's being blinded a little bit. I don't think she sees everything that's happening and she's definitely not connecting the dots. But I don't think that she is completely oblivious. I think she understands

what their game is. I would venture to say that they had a conversation before this started when they were sitting in that fucking booth that that story's changed already from what we heard originally how it actually happened. It was inevitable. It was going to happen anyway. The universe was pushing us together yeah okay yeah like no it wasn't you guys to a reservation for two yeah yeah yeah yeah hey i want to be on tv right the quietly is a quiet woman is that what's called yeah that's what's called they also was like a social media war between alexis and shannon and the quiet woman where they like gave alexis a shout out and then shannon got her shout out and they're like it was just like very entertaining but good for them i suppose that's great PR for the quiet yeah for that was smart

but it's just you know they sat in that booth and Alexis is like I want to be relevant again and John was like I don't want to lose relevancy let's come up with a master plan here and we're going to take down Shannon on TV and it's not going well people are siding with Shannon especially those that don't have personal experience with her apparently so shoot her and I are like team Shannon yeah you got different story understand I'm I'm being salty. I'm definitely being salty. I think on paper, I'm definitely leaning more towards Shannon. I always like rooting for the underdog in these situations. I don't feel like Alexis has a lot, like a huge leg to stand on. I do think everything she's gone after Shannon for has fallen short.

That said, like as a season progresses, maybe I'll feel another certain way there. But I get it. That's fair. That's fair. But let's talk about, we get. somewhat of a resolve. I guess you could say between Jen and Gina, they sit down after football and it's tense for a little while and they both kind of air out their grievances. Gina's still more so than Jen. And I think in this instance, I can understand the frustration of Gina because Jen seemingly doesn't get it. She doesn't get the gravity of the situation where it's like, you know, I'm just trying to figure out life. trying to work my way through it. It's like, yeah, okay, fine. And you could admit that

as a 40-year-old, you still don't know how to be an adult. At least you're being honest about that. But at the same time, because you are unaware of what it takes to be an adult and stand on your own two feet, you're also not understanding that Gina's taking this personally because she's been where you are. She worked her way out of it. She's now standing on her own two feet. She now has a surplus in income for the first time in her life and is proud of it. And here comes this woman and that could potentially take that away from her. So I did in this moment get why she was as frustrated as she was. But do we have sympathy for Jen after this where she's like,

I just, I don't know what I'm doing out here. And it's like, yeah, okay, that's sad. But you're also 40 with five children. And your backup plan is fucking Ryan, who is a garbage pale kid. Like, is that the best thing to put all of your eggs in? this guy? Like, I don't know. What do you think? Do you think that there is sympathy to be had? Or is it like, girl, you got to figure the shit out? I think you can only be victim so many times. Like, you know, okay, so you never had a credit card in your name and all these things.

You know, you didn't have to worry about being an adult and that was a privilege or whatever. But like, I think where I'm having a hard time with is she even said it. If Ryan leaves me, I'm homeless and I don't have a car. It's like, why are you setting yourself up for this again? And to quote, you know, Vicki Gumbelson, for women, if you don't have financial freedom, you don't have freedom, you know, and I think this is just going back to it. It's like, do something for yourself. And I've said this a few times on our podcast. You don't need a yoga studio. Like, you're losing money there.

You live in Orange County. Be a private yoga instructor. Go to people's homes. They're going to pay you for that. And you're not going to have the cost of the actual studio. I just think she's making so many terrible decisions and like repeating this. the same pattern. She's going to become dependent on Ryan, who may or may not be going to jail. Like, what's going to happen to you with all of this? Like, it's, I don't know, it's kind of

wild. I co-sign everything Abby says. I do think there's something to, we see this a lot on housewives where people who either have skeletons in their closets come on TV because they don't think anyone's going to find out or people who are in financial desperation and just like, everyone wants to be famous at the end of the day. And I think in some ways, even though they're not saying it and they're not breaking the fourth wall. She's thinking like, oh, I'm on the show. I'm making this money. Like she's thinking the show is going to be her job when in reality, as we know,

Andy has said many, many times, don't ever quit your day job. Don't rely on this because it can end tomorrow. And I think Jen is delulu to be quite, she's clearly delulu. Yeah, I mean, she's just falling back into everything that she did with her ex. And the way that she explains it, she talks about. it with her parents last week. She has no idea what she's doing. And she's going to get burn again because as we know,

Ryan is involved in the huge gambling scandal that happened with Shohayotani, which is still hilarious. And I cannot wait to get to that part of the season, which is definitely going to happen at the end. But she's just putting all of her eggs in one basket once again because it's what she knows and it's what she's always done. She doesn't have people close to her telling her, hey, this is a stupid move, figure it out. And now she actually does.

And she's like, hey, guys, I don't know what I'm doing. Can somebody please tell me what to do? It's like, no, no, no, you have to do it on your own. You can't have people tell you what to do. That's how you get in this position in the first place. So at least she's being honest about it. I don't know. It doesn't affect me personally.

So what the hell do I care? It's a good thing Jen Shaw's in prison. Otherwise, I think Jen would be her number one target. She'd be like, yeah, let me help you. Let me do this. Let me help you with marketing your yoga studio. And she would just be out. Yeah.

Let me be your personal assistant. I won't take any personal. information from you. Yeah, right. Yeah, what's your social? I just need it. Don't worry about it. Just give me your social. And your mom, your mom's made a name just in case it comes up and someone's asking. Yeah. Yeah, I want to be thorough. I care about you and all the old people. But in this moment, while they're going back and forth, once everything kind of settles down, Gina does let it out. Like, you know, I'm going through a lot. And I think that this is the root of the emotion that was involved in this conversation initially. I think that as you,

you said in the beginning, this is kind of a slight of hand. Like, look over here so you don't notice that this bizarre situation is happening at my home with my long-term boyfriend and our six kids, three and three. So Tamara, I don't like agreeing with Tamara, but I have to agree with Tamara here because she just says it's weird. Like, this is weird. You don't move in with somebody. Have your kids develop a relationship together. And I'm not going to speak on that too much. We don't like to bring up the kids. We keep the kids out of it. But You set up this whole home life scenario, and then you are moving out, but you're staying together. Does anybody in this chat believe that this is going to work out for them?

Yeah, I didn't know what to say. Did you just streamer us? I feel like I've been watching Love Island. I was like, can do you pull us for a chat? My wife has. She loves it. We haven't gotten into it yet. Oh, my gosh.

I've seen clips. So if I'm not mistaken. I believe the streets are saying that the ex-wife, their divorce hasn't been settled. I don't believe. And I don't think she wants them around Gina because of her D-D-dub. So I think that's the real reason, I think. Really? I think that's what the streets are saying.

Like, again, back-check me, anyone, come, you know, whatever. Because she got a DWI in her past. But I think that's what the X-Y, like, they haven't settled their divorce yet. So I think they're going back and forth, and I think that's what's happening. And I also think Gina, my vibe, if that's happening as well, she doesn't want her kids to be grouped into that, is my guess. Like, just kind of like, but I don't know. Is this a requirement for Bravo shows that somebody, one couple in here has to have a spouse or a partner that doesn't have a settled divorce? Like, are we just going to do this in every show now?

We have to have questions about a past relationship and did the divorce go through? I know. I mean, it's messy. again, don't quote me verbatim, but from, you know, what I've read online and from what I've seen people are talking, I think that's like the real story of what's going on. So part of me is like then why not say it or say what you could say about it versus like the whole money thing? Because that doesn't make sense either. It really makes no sense. Don't quote you on it, right? So I shouldn't post this quote that I just typed out and.

Yeah, allegedly. Yeah. I'm going to cut this clip out. I'm going to cut out the allegedly part. Just cut out the don't. Just say, quote me on this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Quote this. But in this moment, in this scene, Emily gives Jen the award for like the participation trophy pretty much. It's like, oh, you're trying. Like, I don't understand what her issue with Jen is to the point where she's like, oh, you tried to get a house you tried to get a car you tried playing the game like good for you what's her problem why is she so invested in this and why is she coming after jett she's something i don't know and she's in gina's corner and no i love emily so this uh i had a hard time

with it too because i'm like why like gina can fight her own fight we saw her do it in the coffee shop she did a pretty good job um i don't know i wonder if like emily maybe is like oh i'd kind of like to be part of the storyline or you know i was just trying to like insert herself in it a little bit but yeah i don't think she like jen's not done anything to emily projecting yeah is confused her own relationship issues perhaps with sheen chain yeah maybe everybody's just going through they have a weird relationship but honestly i think they're like rock solid like i they like i they're the if i had a bet on his divorcing they're the last ones i'm picking oh yeah i think so well you can see heather and terry i don't know

Terry's probably, he's probably diddled a few nurses. Oh, are we going to put you for that one too? We've got some crazy kids tonight. Diddles gone wild. Allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Let's throw it allegedly on there. I feel like, I feel like did old accounts towards the swear jar. I think you need to add that one. All right. I'll put it a dollar. I feel like you're going to bring that back. I don't think I've heard someone say dittled. Yeah.

I just like saying that, like, just implies, like, you don't really know what happened, but something went on and it was like slightly inappropriate. Quick dittle. Just a tip. A tip. Just a tip for a quick dittle. Yeah. This is taking a turn quickly. But we're moving on to a lingerie scene. So it's kind of fitting. But I actually really appreciate how open Emily is with her journey with fitness from.

where she's come from losing 40 plus pounds and also the other side of things where it's like yeah I feel great I look great but at the same time and you know I do personal training and a lot of the cooking I do is health centric so it's something that I deal with a lot is the other side of it is being you know over training doing too much getting a weird addiction to this this fitness lifestyle that is actually just as detrimental as the other side of the spectrum so I actually really am enjoying the fact that she is talking about that and just because she looks great doesn't mean that the journey's over and she's trying to find that middle ground here she looks great and they are proud of all the work that she's done but at the same time I think it's really important we like

to point out the the real moments in these shows where it's like here's something that people can resonate with it's like yes you can drop 40 pounds look great but you still have work to do and the fact that she is able to convey that and be honest about that I think it's just really cool just wanted to shout that out i think she's done a really good job as a housewife i think like being real and shared like sharing parts of like her life with that like you know she isn't a size zero um and i yeah i agree i really committed and i think it's um really important for like women especially to see that because i think it's something like everyone can relate to um and you know i I like too Shane adding in like she's going a little bit too hard the other way and she just needs to find a healthy balance but Shane could work on some stuff himself I know Shane shouldn't be the one talking about it if he's drinking a big gulp and he's like no you know she needs to get a handle on X Y and Z it's a diet Coke though it's not a full Coke all right okay so Barlow drinks diet Coke I'm a full Coke girlie but that's like I feel like a whole another show but I am for like hangover a little hangover cure always go to a full Coke.

That's, like, my vice. I have, like, mini-cokes. Those are, like, my vice. Anyways. That's, there's not the draw with that. No, no. See, I'm very much the kind of person that's like, you need to enjoy it. We do what we do in the gym and you take care of yourself, like, 80% of the time,

so that you can enjoy the other 20% if you're constantly dieting and constantly miserable, then like, what's the point of being in good shape? It's like, yeah, got a six-pack, but I can't eat a cheeseburger or else I'm going to get bloated, and I'm going to hate myself. It's like, that's not healthy. and who the fuck doesn't want to eat cheeseburgers and drink a Coke every now and then. So no, I'm all for it. It's finding that balance.

And that's, yeah, that's why I really appreciated the Emily stuff is trying to find that balance. Do I think that Shane of all people needs to be commenting on it? No, I don't. I think until Shane does something active, like at the very least take a walk, then he can talk about it. But until then, shut up, Shane. I do think, though, okay, hear me out because I have a similar dynamic in my relationship. So my husband's a lot more health conscious than I am. I'm not the extreme of shame.

I'm not drinking like a bagel. I do exercise. I do try to look at what I eat, but I'm not like as strict about it as my husband is. I do think sometimes when you're on that side, when someone is like trying to lay something on you, like force it on you, it makes it less appealing. Does that make sense? It's like, you know, I don't know. It just makes it like, okay, okay, okay, I get it. it you know uh he has to want to take a walk like you can't drag them yeah no absolutely but i also

think she i think by i don't know just set up a session with him like a personal training i think there's ways that she could go about it but i understand being turned off by someone trying to like push something on you when you aren't ready to make that step yourself well i think she finally decided and she's been obsessed with working out and doing all things fitness for the last, what, six to eight months, ten months. So she's probably still figuring out how to do it for herself. Dragging another person into it is not a good move if you don't even know what you're doing yet. So I think she's trying to find that balance. I just love when she's sitting down in her confessional talking, or actually when she was talking to Shane himself, I feel like I'm on

the full-on fitness end and you're on the other end of the spectrum. Yeah. Just leave it at that. We need to come together. Yeah. We need to find somewhere in the middle. Yeah. It's like, okay, so you're super unhealthy. I'm very healthy. my only counterpoint is yes I agree and I totally can understand like if one person in relationship is trying to push it on you then yeah you're going to be like all right do it like settle down I get it you're healthy yay fuck off but at the same time if I or if Emily walks in and sees her husband doubled over grabbing his chest because his heart hurts yeah forgot about that press it a little bit. Yeah. I'm going to be like, all right, dude. I forgot that detail.

Or go to the doctor. Go to the doctor. I totally forgot about that detail. Like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. If that wasn't the case that I agree with you. We've come full circle. You'll mention a very important detail. Potential heart attack. Potential cardiac arrest. Oh, my Lord. Yeah. We've come full circle for sure. But let's keep moving. We get Tamara, Alexis, and Jen, and this is the Archie look-alike. And they're also discussing, Jen, this is where the yoga studio comes into play.

And yes, this makes no sense to me. If you're going to own a studio, you're not paying yourselves because you're trying to get it off the ground. You're trying to be successful. I don't really understand what our social media is insane means. Is that positive? Is that negative? I think I would assume negative based on connotation. What does that mean?

Based on the way to use insane. I know, I understand. It's insanely bad. I think she wouldn't say it's insane if it's bad. I took it as bad. It's very confused. I took it negative as well, but that's confusing. Is it insane because you're not posting anything?

Is it insane because the person posting is posting insane things? Could be. Is it going? I'm confused at the direction of the studio. I wrote it up as her partner who said that is not used to being on camera and got a little stage fright and didn't really know what to say. Just had a little word vomit. It's insane. right okay just just chalk it up to that chalk it up to that i'm trying to find their social

media now and see what is it called i don't know what it's called so i'll i'll let you all know report back yeah we'll circle back to that one but out this is where we learn about Alexis and her gym routine because the way that she's talking and discussing it is once again like yeah, my gym, my trainer, my life, all of these things. I guess Alex, who was a part owner of the gym called Shannon and brought up Alexis and was like, yeah, she's in here saying that she's a Christian, but talking about the fact that she's banging John Jansen four times a night. So do you think that Shannon was venting to her trainer?

Do you think Shannon called Alex? Or do you think that Alexis offered this information freely or all of the above? I'm in the ballpark of Shannon absolutely was venting to her trainer. Just because Shannon's the one after we had that luncheon, Alexis said, yeah, we had sex two times today. Maybe we'll have two or three later. That's not four times. That's five, maybe five, whatever. When Shannon talks about it, she always says four times.

So the fact that now Alex is saying four times means that she definitely vented to him, which I'm fine. I'm here for, whatever. You want to vent. Steele knows this. He's a personal trainer. people rely on them as therapists all the time. So if Shannon's talking about that, sure, why not? Go off on it.

So if Alex has a problem with it, that's his own problem, I feel like. I'm with you, Shooter. I have a personal trainer myself. I just went today. And just playing this situation out in my head. And not that we're at a venting, like sharing think point in our relationship. But it seems more organic to just as you're like in between reps, shooting the shit of what's going on. if he's like, oh, what's the latest on John?

And then she's saying that, like, that feels very natural. So I'm with you on that one. Abby, are you an agreement with us or do you think something different? I think a little bit of everything. I wouldn't be shocked if Alexis wasn't saying. Like, I could see her walking in and be like, well, I don't know how much of a workout I need because Johnny Jay gave me one last night, you know, like, because she's openly like, so. Johnny Jay diddled me last night.

I'm all dittled out. I've been, yeah, I've been dittled so hard lately. So I think she's probably freely said that. And then, yeah, I think Shannon, though, initiated that. I don't think her personal trainer is calling her. I'm like, okay, Alexis was just in today. And this is exactly what she said. Because also, like, for that personal trainer, no one's going to work out with you.

Like, I think personal trainers and hairstylists, like, hold all secrets for people. Because it really influences, like, your life. Like, if you're not in the mood to work out or, like you're struggling with something in your life. You're going to talk about it with like your personal trainer more because it's going to impact your like the way you're feeling mentally and physically. And same with, I don't know why with hair, maybe just because we sit there for so long. But I mean, hair like hairstylists and personal trainers know all secrets.

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It's a sweet summer twist on iced coffee. Your cold brew is ready at Starbucks. I don't know because barbers, you know, dudes there doesn't take nearly as long, and barbers still get all the tea, too. So I just, there's something about maybe it's, you know, standing with your back to somebody with shears where you just trust them more. So you're like, I'm just going to vent to you. And I think with personal trainers, as you start to exercise, the walls start to come down. Like you're, you're getting tired.

You're like, whatever. And things just come out. And you're like, oh, shit, this is our second session. And you're talking about how your marriage is rocky. That's, I'm sorry. What's going on? Yeah, let's get into this. This is not a specific thing.

I'm just saying in general, that could be a topic that would come up. Yes. theoretically yeah hypothetically speaking that could be a scenario but i i agree with everyone's sentiment i think that yeah obviously shannon was talking about it shoot it's a great point like the specifics kind of out shannon there it's like oh four times four times and then i also definitely see alexis walking into a place where she knows that shannon trains there and being like oh did you hear about me and john jansen last night four times four times guys so i can definitely see all the flex that she's putting it's like not really hitting

like she thinks she's really getting people and it's like cool girl well and all it does for me i'm like man he is taking a lot of viagra like there's no way that can't be good for him yeah like check on his heart we're worried about shame yeah check on john jones one viagra away from cardiac arrest yeah i think that's a good point we pointed it out during the whole larsa thing when she was talking about her with Marcus Jordan. It's really funny because when you bring it up, it's not a flex. Everybody's just sitting there trying to figure out the logistics. How the hell do you have that much time?

I'm not worried about sick brag. That's awesome. But now I'm worried about myself thinking, do you have more hours in the day than I do? Like, there's just no way that you have that. I'm thinking about fatigue. I'm thinking about pulling muscles. I'm thinking about like it just doesn't seem feasible. I am thinking about.

about the vaginal area and lubricants and things. There's a lot there where I'm like, there's a lot of details that they're not addressing. And I think that for the next person, man or woman on one of these shows that claims one of these things, they should have to break down how it goes. Like I need the, as Shooter said, we need the logistical breakdown.

Okay, fine. You do tell us how. When? the duration. Do you enjoy it? Are you tired? Like, it sounds awful. Why are you doing it so much? How about that? Is it so bad that you have to do it something? That they need to keep trying? Yeah. I don't know. Do you have nothing to talk about? Yeah. Probably. I mean, but still, but like, I just don't think he's like not a sexual beast. Like he doesn't give off that energy. And I mean, neither does she really. I mean, yeah, she's got big old bitties.

but I don't know. Well, he's got a big old dick. That's his only claim to fame is that John Jansen has as a big weener. And again, I don't think that anybody's like, oh, man, you get to have sex with John. Like, I don't think it's like, sexual energy. I agree. No, but I don't think a big dick automatically thinks like, oh, I got more juice. No, I'm even more worried about Alexis knowing it's like a big dick, honestly.

That's a valid point. point as well. I'm glad we're covering the tough topics today. This is what I figured we would get into with the real moms of brawl. You like how you started it? He's like, oh, I don't want to cuss and you guys are like, man, John's big dick, I can't imagine. We come full circle. This is good. This is how, you know, this is our real friendships are formed, everybody. So I feel like we've all connected today. And that's the goal at the end of the day. But yeah, we bonded over Johnny Jan's big penis. But let's move on to, we get a little cameo from Sutton, who is a friend of the show. I actually texted her during this episode, like, oh, a little shout out. And they're talking about

Katie and her interaction with Heather. Now, from what I've gathered, from what I've seen thus far on this season and how they've talked, I believe that Katie was brought on the show for the only purpose of going toe to toe with Heather. That's the only thing I can see from this, because she had a weird interaction at Sutton's Christmas party or whatever where Heather kind of cold shouldered her a little bit. But when she was brought into the group, Heather seemed nice enough, but she's still like, me, I don't know about Heather. I'm not really sure. I'm not sold on it. So what do you think with the, with the Katie of it all? Well, I always think it's dangerous as a newcomer. If you're coming in and your sole storyline and purpose is to go after another housewife, it never works. make yourself interesting on your own. Also, like, kind of what we were talking about.

Like, these women, like, we've seen their personalities on TV. We know who they are. It does not shock me at all that Miss Fancy Pants cold-shouldered you at a Christmas party because she didn't know who you, like, she didn't know who you were socially. She didn't really care. And then all a sudden, now you're in the group. And she's like, okay, well, I'll be nice and inviting and warm and lovely because I act like I'm the hostess with the mostest. And like, that's just me. Like, I think Heather is a little bit of a snob and a little bit toothed. So I was just like, okay, yeah, this tracks. Like for Katie, I'm like, I don't think this all of a sudden.

I'm like, oh, my gosh, wow, like a new fresh perspective on Heather Debrough. So I feel like she needs to do a little bit more on her own. Yeah, I would agree with that. It never works. It never hits as well as they always think it does. They think they have to make a name for themselves. It's almost like when you go to prison, you better find the biggest dude there and knock them the fuck out.

otherwise you're going to be lost and you're not going to know what to do it's like no that's not how it works on these shows you need to figure out the game especially if you haven't been on a show before like yeah i get it if for whatever reason you switch cities or you were on a different bravo program or a different reality tv program yeah maybe you have some semblance of understanding the game but katy doesn't know what the hell she's doing and sutton is actively telling her uh yeah maybe don't go after somebody like because you're going to get knocked down it's not going to work out so her coming in and immediately started beef with heather of all people who we watched last season go through it where people were attacking her for nothing like she

wasn't doing really anything like yeah she had a weird reaction to wanting to like film a movie or something but she you know whatever she made up for it and then she went through it so katy coming after her makes zero sense that's not how you're going to make a name for yourself you just need to hang out just go to the parties have a funny one liner here and there and then you know maybe we'll like you next year you got to you got to ease into this take the fessler approach that's what fessler did her first season she was just like comedic relief she she kind of hung in the background she got involved a little bit she's not having as as good of a second season she's she's a little clumsy this year but last year she was great and she did not try to dive head first into everything

whereas katy's like oh i'm i'm going after heather and i don't know but if sutton tells me i wouldn't i would probably be like oh fuck all right because sutton yeah isn't usually like afraid to go up against people usually unintentionally she kind of just sticks her foot in her mouth but if she's giving like a eh i wouldn't and katie's like i got this i don't think it's going to end very well and i also don't know if katy understands that people might even hate a certain housewife but if they are an o g or have been on the show for an extended period of time and you're new to the show they're not going to take your side just because you're going after the o g they're going to make oh you don't fuck with our people like if you go after heather like we're going to take you down

because she's been here you're who are you so i think it's a very dangerous game i'm actually very curious here's a hot take though i'm here for it because it's like rich petty women drama which is why we all love housewives so you snubbed me at an event you like i have this versus you like this is the stuff i kind of enjoy seeing rich people fight over petty shit like Like it's, I'm kind of here for it in that sense. I think you guys bring up a lot of valid points of like coming in too hot to be even having to bring in Sutton to film with you. That's a little bit of like her trying to give a little Hail Mary for herself to make herself a little bit more relevant in my opinion. But I do love rich women fighting.

So I'm okay with it. I also love a crossover. I love when we see, especially when it makes sense. Like I do love when I see Housewives from other cities filming with different Housewives. wives. Yeah. I'm excited when I saw Sutton stroll on. I was like, hey. I told you. I texted. I was like, ah, crossover. It is. There's something about it where like when your worlds collide. Yes. Their world's like it's like. And I think Bravo should do more. I mean, they've been doing more of it in other spaces, but I'm all for more crossovers all around.

As long as it's organic. Like let's not like force it. And all of a sudden, it's like Jill Zarin and Beverly Hills. Surprise. Like, they're like, yeah. right like this is not what we asked for yeah with a scary island t-shirt on yeah yeah that nobody wants if look i don't know if if i know anything about bravo it's when they find something that seems to work they just keep throwing it at like nonstop so we might end up getting a really shitty crossover it's like why the hell is this happening i wouldn't put that past anything but uh that takes us to because we already discussed the emily and Shane stuff let's talk about the Gina and Travis scene because I have a million questions about this, but I just

want knee-jerk reactions from everybody. What the hell's going on? Is this Gina just simply moving on with her life and Travis is holding her back? Is this because of the Dewey and not wanting the ex-wife to bring up the DUI charge? Is this because of the kids? Is this just simply she doesn't like Travis anymore? I need people's takes. I need to see where you guys stand. I don't know. I thought it was sad as hell. I'll tell you what. That was a sad, sad scene. But I felt bad. It seems like Gina had this decision already made up and Travis is going through it and he can't really control his ex-wife. We don't know the ends and outs of that. Let's speculate up a storm because we've got four of us here. We can come up with some crazy theories. But it was still tough to watch. I mean, Travis is sitting there trying to pack and she's like, maybe I made a mistake. Like a little too little too late. He's literally packing. He already has a new apartment. He's trying to get. he's trying to get internet set up come on let the guy get internet set up for the love of god he's got to get his shows on there so i i don't know i mean it seems like this is knee jerk for gina to you know get her kids in a better environment which doesn't really make a whole lot of sense

everything that she said without the context is really tough for us to decide on because Travis looks super sad trying to get out it's like she's kicking him out of there because of the things that he can't control but she just seems like she's fed up instead of trying to like help him out and fight with it. It seems like maybe she's kind of giving up on this whole thing. When he said goodbye to the dog, I was like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. That was tough. Yeah, right. You know, I'm like, man, that's like, you know, I also like, I feel like there's something more to it that she's not saying because to your point, like she was talking about like, well, if we, I'm doing this for the kids. And I get like, you know, it probably is hard to find a house for six kids, but they've

been living in a three bedroom house, like a four bedroom, five bedroom. Like, you know, some of the kids of the same gender could share room and still have some space. You don't need the triple bunk anymore. Like, I don't know. I just, it's, I think it'd be really emotional for these kids that have been living together for several years. All of a sudden now they're not with one another. They've formed, unless it's worked out where the kids are never there at the same time, which it doesn't sound like that's the case. This is going to be emotional for them. They've also grown to really enjoy Travis and like spend time with him. And now he's gone too. It's like, it's not tracking to me that like, I'm doing this for the kids. I think.

there's more to it. I like have to wonder like this divorce has gone on so long and typically like I don't know how California law works, but typically at some point the courts are going to be like we're going to mediation and we're going to it's like it's done. We're going to tell you how this is going. Like it doesn't go back and forth forever. So is there like some money situation where like she has a bunch of money and he's trying to get it or does he have something hidden? Like there's like why hasn't this been finalized yet? Like I don't know. I just think there's more to it. And I don't. I just, I don't know. I feel like she's not sharing all of it. Yeah. Well, in my brief Google search, because I've been doing this as you guys been chatting, um, Travis was granted a restraining order against Megan, claiming she had harassed and threatened him. Uh, let's see.

Oh, my goodness. This is just recently. So it says he settles restraining order case against ex-wife Megan after years long court battle details revealed. It is also agreed that for the next. full year, Megan must submit to a drug test within six hours of request by Travis. And if she fails, her physical custody with the minor children shall be immediately suspended and she shall reimburse Travis for the cost of said screening.

Let's see what else is in there. So it's kind of, it's dark. Ooh. Well, now I'm wondering, is Gina doing it to truly just protect her kids from the psycho woman. But then like, I don't know, then it's also like, don't you love his kids too? Like, I mean, I get it. You have to protect your own. But then I'd be like, we're just going to let his kids be around.

on this crazy one. It's a tough scenario, but that's also where I actually respect that Gina's like, yeah, I love Travis. Yeah, I love Travis's kids. We are not married. I've got to look out for me and mine. This is a really difficult decision, but I'm doing this for my family. And hopefully we're able to work this out in separate homes for the time being.

But I'm not subjecting me and mine to this bullshit because your ex is nuts and won't stop. So I actually think that, you know, they've already lived through, they've worked past it. And I think it's really great. But they also live through their mom being, you know, physically abused by the dad in that one situation. So I do give her a lot of credit. Now I'm like, you should have told us like what's going on. She's holding like holding something back. But if that's what she's holding back, I get it.

Because like you're not going to like when I's, that's something she shouldn't be talking about on camera. Right. You know, so I respect Gina. wow we've come a long way this episode right wow great google search great timing did you ever find that did you ever find the yoga studio well it was insane and bad way it was insane in a bad way confirmation confirmation it was like 1500 and like one post got like four like so yes it was insane it was insane in a bad way yes confirmation but that still don't understand what that means insane because it's not performing. Yeah, because what's insane about a 1,500 follower profile?

Like, yeah, we're a small business and we have a decent following for a small business. I took it as her telling Jen that it was insane. So maybe Jen could post it more on her profile. Like, hey, maybe you can take this over because you're a housewife and you have a little bit more notoriety. Yeah, like this is insane. We only have 1,500 followers and you have like, you have all this, 600,000. 100,000, yeah. Okay, what was a whole circle on that? Yeah, that's good. I thought that it was going to lead to her making up a position where it's like,

well, I just took over social media for the yoga studio. So I'm actually getting paid. I'm getting paid now. Do you guys remember when she first came on, though? She talked about like their like TikToks they did during the pandemic. Like Jen was talking about that with her business partner. So I wonder if it's time back to that. Like it's insane bad because you're not doing stuff with us.

I don't know. Maybe. Okay. It's a reach. It could be a reach. but that's that's my what my research is we just have to help steal because steel's not going to be able to sleep tonight with this fine no no i got it now it's okay now i'm okay now i just it was i didn't understand because what's insane like what happened i guess was my thing or what she's what are you

doing about it like i i think that that's also something that's frustrating with jan it's like all right we know you have the yoga studio we know that you have ryan but what are you doing about anything That's where I understand, Gina and the rest of the group's issues. It's like, yeah, okay, you're honest about what the hell's going on, this disaster that your life is at the moment. But the only scene we've seen you talking about getting out of it is you thanking your dad. And we don't really even know what your dad did because he didn't give you enough money to pay for your rent. Did he pay for you and the kids to stay in a hotel until you got to Ryan's? Like they never cleared that up.

All she said was like, thank you. groceries like i don't know but again he was paying for the hair makeup i was just gonna say he's paid for her glam oh yeah he's paying for glam in the range rover okay at least you got rid of the car no no the range rover is ryan's it is that what happened he absorbed like that's another thing you're tying yourself to a guy that you're not married to is about to get arrested because he's a scumb bag that wears ed hardy bedazzled denim jackets yeah this is a bad scenario she needs friends she needs real friends someone just go like like like Dude, what the fuck are you doing?

This is all bad. I don't know where that rant came from, but yeah, I just, I love a rant. I'm here for it. I love a rant. She does need friends. Maybe we're just manifesting, like, well, also, she needs friends, but she also is a grown woman, and she needs to have a little more self-awareness, you know what I mean? Like, you can't, you don't need.

That's where the sympathy goes away. Yes. It's because you also, like, in that one moment you say, see with Ryan and then sorry I didn't mean to cut you off uh we get one clip of Ryan this episode and she's like how was your day he's like fuck my day I want sexy time I'm like I know I was like so grosses me out yeah that was also another thing like the sex scenes on camera just don't do them like they just I don't need to take her top up yeah yeah we're good we're good uh no it's like it's hard because you know she was like it's she was like it's really scary

and it's challenging to try to learn things in your mid-40s that most people learned in their 20s. But also at the same point, I'm like, yeah, but I was even like, dumber and less like life experience. And I figured it out in my 20s. Like, you know, so and yeah, we all make mistakes along the way. Like my first job out of college, I laugh. I made $27,500 as my salary. So yeah, I got myself into some credit card debt pretty fast. But I got myself out of it.

I learned how to budget. Like, I don't know. I'm just kind of like, Jen, it's hard for me. to feel bad for you because, like, I would argue the fact that most of us learned it in our 20s means you should pick it up even faster in your 40s. Yeah, good call. Stellar point. Yeah.

If 23-year-old Abby can figure it out, 45-year-old Jim can figure it out. Exactly. If minor league baseball steel can figure it out, like, she can figure. I had no fucking money. But you guys got anything else? This was so much fun. this was a blast no i had a great time this is i think we've really mentioned it all we've covered we have yeah we certainly we'll have to do this we'll have to do this again during a uh a different

show maybe maybe we'll do this once a housewife season i love that idea i think that's a great idea i'm into it we'll reconvene for a meeting of the minds and talk about who's having sex with who and how many times the important question and penis size and penis size and And dittling. And dittling it. I hope everyone says dittal this weekend. If there's one takeaway, I'd like everyone to incorporate that. And do it in a way where it's like a joking manner, where you just casually say it and just and be fully serious and then see how others around your react.

So that's the takeaway that we like for you all listening. It's just throwing a little dittle in your conversations. I kind of want somebody to use it dead serious. now that she said, use it in a joking manner. I want somebody to try to say it like in a very serious moment, but not as a joke. You're like, let's dittle. Something like heavy-handed.

But that's all I got. You all got anything else? Oh, I got too. Vanessa feels dittled now. So she's good. Well, on that note, on that note, on that now. Thank you everyone that tuned in. And yeah, thank you for coming out.

you guys have anything to plug before we sign off here anything coming up or anything like that we well we're um our summer's ending so we're kind of getting back into the swing of like kids in school so we don't have anything exciting coming up but um you know we do still have our podcast and our instagram account uh at real moms a bravo well everybody listening go give them a felt we don't have anything i don't know we probably do i forget but your scandals are brav brum At brav underscore bros. Yes, for your listeners, we had at at brav underscore bros, give us a listen, give us a follow. Subscribe on YouTube.

We're trying to drive up the YouTube number. So subscribe on there. But other than that, no, now we're just, you know, dog days of summer over here. Oh, yeah. Thank you again. This is an absolute blast, and we'll definitely do it again soon. We'll see which housewife franchise is coming back soon, and we'll line up for a meeting of the minds. Talk some dittling in sizes.

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