Bros & Shows - RHOBH is Dead. Justice for Garcelle. (Part 1 of 2)(RHOBH Reunion Full Recap)

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

What's up Bros? This episode was so packed we had to break it up into a 2 parter. Garcelle is obviously the focal point of this episode, and she takes shots all episode from the Fox Force 5 and it's fairly clear this was an orchestrated takedown. We get into the Garcelle stuff more in part 2 but we do discuss her throughout. In the first part of our recap, we discuss where this show went wrong. Then we talk all things Dorit. Where she stands with PK, her friendship with Boz and how her and Kyle are getting along. Kyle says she thinks Dorit's storyline this season may have been performative to stay on the show... Then Kyle gets put in the hot seat. She defends her texts to PK by sidestepping it and saying shes the only one that reached out to Dorit post separation. Which would be a sticking point if she didn't text PK first. She refuses to take accountability once again and we see the Kyle Richards playbook that we've had to suffer through for years now. Make sure you tune into part 2 for our conclusion and all things Garcelle! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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How many words he got? Three. Ah, this is supposed to hit so much harder. Justice for Garsell. Damn it, I can't count. I think you said three words to start off with. Then you dropped, I don't know why you dropped it down to two. I don't know.

You okay? No. All right. It's all right. Bros and Shows, Bros and Shows, Bros. And Shows. I gotta have me now, Bros. And Shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. And Shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined, as always, by the one and only reunion Gooder. What's up, dude? Not a whole lot, just like the cast of this show. Just not a lot going on. Well, I agree. A lot happened this episode. I thought this was an important episode because we were, what this episode does is highlight exactly what is wrong with Beverly Hills.

Yeah, it's kind of funny because you said that when I walked in today. I had a different takeaway. I was going to take a different approach today because I feel like we've been ragging on it, not like ripping it apart, but ragging on it because it's been boring. It's been stale. There's not a lot going on, not a lot to sink our teeth into, which everybody knows about. So I didn't want to spend the whole episode just being annoyed. I'm going to take a look at this, or my approach was, I'm going to look at this.

this like it's not a TV show. This is just a group of women that I've never met before that I get to sit in on and just figure out what their problems are. Okay. If that gets you through it, whatever helps, honestly. Whatever helps. But yeah, like, watching this whole thing play out, watching the Fox Force Five take control of the group, watching those that are not involved, get pushed to the side, watching Bose seemingly start to fall into that trap of Kyle and the Fox Force five, you literally see the epitome of what has happened to this show over the past four or five seasons pretty much since the departure of LVP, if we're going to be honest, where we have this massive shift from a bunch of individual women on a cast doing their thing, interacting, feuding, whatever,

turned into five women controlling the narrative, controlling what we're talking about, controlling who's cool and who's not pushing people out and pretty much making the show whatever they want this show to be with one person at the helm who highlighted or was highlighted by Derek this episode of having a direct line to the producers so this show has lost its luster because it was turned over to the Fox Force 5 yeah it was and they're going to have a problem on their hands right now it's it's not a problem for them because they're looking at the ratings and their ratings are just as high as anything else that's doing pretty well right now Yeah.

But that is sort of, it's the audience that was grandfathered in, the audience that really enjoyed Beverly Hills, the Beverly Hills was the gold standard for these shows, and they still tune in every single week and talk about it and think about it and whatever. And even if it's just mindless television for them, it's contributing to ratings that's allowing Bravo to just continue to let this happen. And it is such a stark contrast to good housewife shows. Oh, my God, yeah. Where things are actually going on, and we actually care if people become friends again.

or enemies in this it's like we already know how it's going to play out it's very predictable even going into it you're like oh yeah maybe we'll get a little bit more into like the kyle and to reet because there's information there's footage there's so much going on here where people were talking about d'reate nope actually what we're going to do is we're going to go after the same people and i'm not going to sit here and just act like oh yeah garcel and and sutton are completely on their own on an island somewhere which they are but i'm not going to defend them necessarily i'm just going to say it's really annoying to watch I'm going to defend Garcel as we get into that.

I'm not going to defend Sutton because I don't think that she deserves it. Garcel, I disagree. I do think that she deserves justice. Like I said, because watching this play out at the end, it was, you know, and I'll save most of my spiel for when we get to the end. But watching it play out, it's like, all right, now what are you guys going to do? Now it's literally whatever the rest of the group wants this show to look like because the one person that has not had an issue speaking up

and speaking out is now leaving the show because of her treatment at this reunion. And you're seeing the preliminary events here. I think it's going to escalate more as it goes on because there is that scene of her just walking off. Yeah, she does walk off. And it is kind of funny because she starts off this episode by saying, I hope we get a cast picture. Foreshadowing. And I do wonder if this was somewhat premeditated, if she didn't see it coming. Because at the end of the episode, she did say, you know, I didn't really expect it to go that way.

I thought something was going to be on the hot seat, but here I am. so I do wonder if some of that was like you know what I don't need this I don't want to do it anymore I'm going to go into this because it looked like Garcel had a pretty different attitude going into this she looked like she was like look let's just go into this let's squash some shit

let's air it out and then we'll all have a picture at the end that being said was in the back of her mind like if this goes to shit like the last two years I'm fucking done yeah and obviously there's also rumors in the back of Bravo wasn't going to ask her back her contract was up Her contract could have been up.

I'm still pretty sure that they would want her to come back. I don't see why you would ask her to not when you look across the board of who else is on this show and what they're currently bringing. That's the funniest part when we get to the end. The people that are challenging are like, what the fuck have you done? Yeah. But I'll save it. Oh, it's tough too, because if you look at the cast, and we already know that Garcell's out. So we look at the cast as a whole.

Without Garcell there, you've got Sutton out there. If she chooses to come back, which she probably will, but like, it's not in her best interest to actually come back to this show. Because now she's just going to be out there by herself. And Tilly's not going to be able to help her that much. If they bring Tilly back, it's just going to be more of the same. But it's going to be a lot worse because Garcell's not there to speak up on anyone's behalf. Yeah. So I don't know.

And if you're a Bravo executive and you're watching this or you're watching the reunion, not this. If you're watching the reunion, you are shitting your pants. You have to be. Because this is a bad product. It's not good. You're shortly celebrating. She's like, everyone's going to watch this because they know Garcel's leaving.

The only way, the only way that you can pick this show back up and get it back on track. Not going to happen. Oh, I know it's not. But that would work because then you all know what I'm saying, too. I'm not going to say her name until it gets to the point where it hits the hardest. But let's say with the departure of Garcel, now Sutton's solo.

So you promote Tilly. that's easy you promote her so sutton at least has some support and you bring her back bring back lvp to go against the fox force five sutton will gravitate towards powerful women that's her whole hold up with kyle put lvp there sutton will gravitate towards lvp you got lvp tilly sutton but the big thing there is lisa vanderpump is not going to back down from these idiots across the room she will stand up and she will be heard whereas garcel just keeps getting pushed to the side because she's not falling in line, which is fucking stupid. That's the only thing that differentiates this show from watching five women

who get along really well and listen to Kyle just sit around and redecorate their homes. Yeah, that's pretty much what's going to happen. Or they'll just add a newbie in there and that newbie will gravitate towards the people who have been on the show for the longest. We've seen it too many times. We know how this goes. So the one person that was, you know, the antithesis of Kyle Richards, if you will, is now going to be gone. So we have nothing.

Nobody's going to want to watch this. And the fucking stupid... Put it on pause. They, oh, this is like prime paused. If they pause it, at least get people who need that paycheck to be like, oh, shit. Fuck yeah. You get to read and Erica sitting there like, oh, I thought that we were just good.

I thought we were goofing. I thought we were doing this. And I was just going to be able to collect a paycheck. Ooh, God. Whoops. Whoops. Yeah, but you know what? Let's jump in.

What I do appreciate about this reunion, very segmented, very well. We've one topic at a time. Not a lot of jumping around makes my note taken very easily, very easily. Very easily this was to be taking notes on. Still doesn't work, but all right. Nope, don't do it. Okay, fine, fine. They all arrive and we get, you know, the preamble of people getting ready.

Nothing really big was dropped there. But I will say I, and this isn't just biased because I'm standing up for this episode, but I thought Garcel looked the best. I give her, without a doll. I give her number one for dress. I had Eric in number two but she doesn't even know who designed her dress She fucking knows

She just whoever that designer is She just dogged Yeah She knows it You don't look You don't get a dress designed Personally and then forget who did it So my thought process

I know she had that shit With a designer last year right Like that was that whole thing That she owed a bunch of money Yeah Something tells me That she somehow got that designer To design this dress

And as a fuck you for the lawsuit She's like, I don't remember. I'm sure within a day or two, somebody's going to reach out to that designer. We'll get a comment. Yeah, hopefully. That's wild. Why would you paid for somebody personally to design this for? You don't remember who did it?

I thought it looked great, too, which is awesome, by the way, because if that looks great, wouldn't you want to highlight that? No, not going to do that. Okay, well, you lose points. You're no longer in second place. Garcel is clear ahead of the pack. Your cut winner. Everybody else was pretty boring.

Pretty ho-hum. Not a lot. Bose brought a different inspiration. And I thought she looked good. So she can go into the second spot. But everybody else, and it's as expected. I mean, Kyle, her dresses look exactly the same. Every year, right?

I thought the same thing. Sutton is always ho-hum, you know, for somebody who has a boutique, you would expect a little bit more. But, you know, I don't know. And, you know, Doreet is falling off. She used to just really take chances and go after it. Extravagant. I mean, she had that whole fucking head wrap last year.

Nothing. No, I actually learned. to appreciate the deridisms, if you're, like, like, wacky shit that she was out. People were giving her shit last year. I'm like, it looks kind of cool. Yeah, I mean, she looks like she's, like, from Dune or something. Let's dive in. We start with the intro.

Obviously, you know, Kyle's got crystals. Erica Jane's song was featured in a Nora, which is actually kind of cool. Garcel has a new grandbaby. Still working for LVP, by the way, Oliver, which is interesting. I wonder if he's, like, worked his way up the ranks there. if we might see him on a on a villa or something like that or maybe oh shit ppr wow that's got to happen right he'll float around on bpr i would imagine when he'll pop into the new vpr i was he was in the vegas location but i imagine with the amount of times that we've seen him he's probably moved

back to la maybe yeah you know i don't know but if he's on i'm sure we'll see him on vpr just kind of floating around that makes a lot of sense yeah uh and then you got bows who feels great she's feeling good coming in. That's not, that's probably not a great spot to be in. You should be anxious. I don't think the Bose should be anxious. I guess she doesn't really have anything to answer for. Yeah, that's a good point. She's kind of, she kind of stayed out of the bullshit. She spent the entire season just gathering information on people and being real. It's smart. So, yeah, you don't have a whole lot to answer for. I'm curious if, because I appreciated how she navigated the season in just like letting people talk and her reactions even in those conversations. It's like, huh. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Like, she never really gives a whole lot. If she felt strongly about something, she would react to it and actually just speak her mind. Right. She wasn't stepping on many toes while doing that. She was stepping on toes by being friends with Derreet, which is the only thing that she has to, quote, unquote, answer for. Which is still stupid. Nobody's, yeah, expecting a whole lot there. No.

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She's like, oh, we're going to get, yeah. Yeah, we want to know how socially, stress, socially and stress. It's like the people like, I only smoke what I drink. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's okay. Yeah, it's fine. But you're trying to put weird labels on it that you're not a smoker. I do actually, when Dorit says, like, I didn't expect this to be as big as it was.

I didn't expect people to actually like this. How? It's so iconic. I think it's just, yeah, yes, it is very iconic. But it shows you how far we've come. I mean, we go through smoking. is so bad into vaping. Now vaping stupid. Now smoking's cool again. Smoking's cool again. You go from electronic smoking to acoustic smoking. Acoustic smoking is cool again. Yeah, it's

unplugged. Unplugged smoking. It's really unplugged. I've got a herbal remedy for you. Yeah, it's called an American spirit unfiltered. That's great. Yeah. It makes you look really cool. But anyway, somebody asked a question on Twitter. This season seemed like an attempt for Doret to keep her job. Kyle, what do you think about that? And Kyle's like, yeah, you know what? I could see that early on. Her reasoning I didn't agree with. No.

Did I agree with the fact that Doreet definitely came into this season, like, gassed up? For sure. We did see a different Doreet. But her reasoning sucks because she's still holding on to this. I never saw that Dorete before. I never met this Doree. She's angry. She's aggressive.

She's this. She's that. Yeah, dude. Because you pissed her off to the point where she's like, we commented early in this. season, how impressed we were with Doreet, and the fact that she was able to hold her own. I don't rescind that just because she shit the bed later on. She had a good start.

And I thought that she was well within her rights to bring this up to Kyle because we've seen it for years. There's, and this is kind of foreshadowing for the end of the episode, but there was in the beginning of the season a lot of people talking about her and P.K. separating so that she can be more in the forefront of the show, which based on the way that kind of. Kyle's talking about the separation and talking about how, you know, when she talked to PK and she should be able to share a relationship between everybody, I got a hint of that. That she thought that was true. Yes.

And I do not think that Kyle wants to start talking about that now because even we said it halfway through. We're like, oh, no, this actually seems pretty real. Pek is kind of a piece of shit. Yeah. He's treating her as such. He's doing this. He's doing that. So it did look a lot more real.

But early on, we all had that inkling. Sure. And it goes back to the robbery. But we all had the inkling like, oh, this is kind of staged. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I think that Kyle probably maybe subconsciously thought that, but she's obviously not going to say that now. It's interesting that that's where your ears perked up because mine perked up very shortly after when Durit's like, look, you have a direct line with the producers. So you would know if something was going on because they would tell you.

And her just going, nodding her head and it's like, I stand by what I said. I'm like, oh, did a producer come up to you and say like Derreitz on the chopping block because you didn't confirm nor does. deny, you just nodded and we're like, yep, I stand by what I said. And here's the thing with that, we would all be crazy to think that Doreet wasn't on the chopping block. Yeah, she hadn't done shit. Like, and this separation pops up at a very suspicious time. So that's obviously why we were thinking that.

But in the last three, four seasons, what have we gotten from Doree? Really nothing. She's not standing on her own. She now she has a friend. So, yes, this was a much better season for her. We can say that without any. And you can also say like, you're allowed to come in with a different approach. approach to keep your job.

Like, I don't have a problem with that. There's no problem with that. But Kyle saying that, yeah, I mean, we're all thinking it. What is DeReed even doing on the show? We called for it two, three years ago. We're still calling for it now, but obviously she had a much better season. So in the beginning, I don't even blame Kyle for thinking that or hearing that from a producer. No, I agree.

I agree to that end. But my whole point was just the fact that she goes back to who is this person. It's like, it's somebody that you've slighted for a long time. She's finally standing up for herself. Like, that's not like, oh my God, I've never met this version. She must have said that like four or five different times. Yeah, we heard you. And you said it change.

Yeah. And you talked about it too with Pekai. Like, oh, yeah, he keeps hinting towards the fact that you've really changed. DeReed had a really good answer. It's been 14 years of marriage. If I didn't change, that would be insane. Correct. Kyle, if she's not changing while going through a separation and all of the things that come along with it, that would be insane.

What did we see from you last year? You stopped drinking. You started working out like crazy. And you were dating Morgan Wade. That's pretty fucking crazy. Yeah. And that's a lot of changes. Der Reit is a little more aggressive when she's talking.

She's standing up for herself. That's a slight change. So where are you getting this from? Not to mention you're going through the exact same thing and understand how you could get a little wacky, i.e. last season. So this is so unfounded and dumb and hypocritical. I mean, such is Kyle Richards. But anyway, we get further into like the P.K. separation and, you know, are you still love with them. Yeah, he's my, and I

got a little hint of how they used to talk to each other. He's my soul, my blood, my heart, I hate that. Oh, God, I thought you were going to say you got a little choked up. No, God, no. Not even remotely. Oh, man, I got really nervous there for a second. No, no, no, no. But P.K. was offered a spot to come on and speak for himself. Instead, he decided to send a statement, like, this is a press release or some shit. I really don't want to talk about this, but

here's a paragraph about me talking about it. Here's a paragraph of me. My favorite move of all. Blaming Doreet for everything. while not being a man enough to show up and do this in person, I'm going to send a fucking tweet that Andy's going to read where I'm just going to literally put it all on to read. Yeah, like, good move. Yeah, great move.

Talking about how you can't be in the same room with your wife. Yeah, bro. I wouldn't trust myself in that room with her. Shut up. He's like, she would attack me. There's several mischaracterations calling me a bad dad, and the kids will see this inevitably one day, and people know the truth.

And I wanted to come out and speak on my, behalf, and I was like, no, brov, you ain't going to do that. It's going to come out in own time because Dorit's at fault here. Like, he's so, he's just a piece of shit. Yeah. Because he's like, the Dorit I married wouldn't cause this issue. And I hope that Doree can find yourself again. You need to take some kind of accountability, sir. I'm not saying that Dorete was a walk in the park. I'm sure that you were aggravated. We saw you trying to go to therapy last season, chugging beers and eating pizza instead. I'm not, there's always two sides to a story. Your side of the story that we've watched this season, your reactions, how you talk to

her, the lack of appearances for your children leads me to believe, yes, you are in fact a bad father. That's not like, I know that's a fucked up thing to say, but you, P.K, upon hearing that should look inward and go, huh, how might I not be a great father? I do spend three months at a time in England, maybe I should go home and see more kids. I don't know, dude, that might be a good call. It might make you a better person to just show up for your family instead of Saturday night when you're in town. And you're going to defend that you're a good dad. Go fuck yourself. The caveat of when you're in town is crazy. Wild. And you're combating Doreet talking about you being a bad father. Sure looks like a present for your children. And we find out that you visit your

children on a Saturday night, not even a Saturday. Oh, Saturday night. A whole day. Nope. Not a weekend. not alternating weekends, Saturday night, when you're around. You would get in fights and fly to Europe from else. It's not like, it would be crazy if you lived in New York and did that. You live in L.A. and do that. It would somehow be less crazy if you took the kids and went to Europe. Yes, it would. At least then you'd be like, all right, I'm going to be a present father.

But I can't stand you. It's kiddapping and sort of international and interpol in there. Very gray area. But yeah, what do you do it? I don't know. It's just why. that this was his response. Here, bam.

Read that, Andy. But Derreet wanted him to come on, and it brings up this whole conversation of the old Derreet versus the new Derreet once again. And, you know, people change. I don't think that's that wacky of a premise. But, uh... Yeah, it used to be a piece of shit.

People can change. Yeah, I know. I used to be a piece of... Let the boy hold the baby. Yeah, what? So I think you should leave again. Oh, damn. You made it.

You did a good reference the other day, too. I know. I know. I just, I forget them. But Andy's trying to dig a little. bit more and figure out like where are the points of contention where did this whole thing fall apart and it's like was it the glam and she's like yeah that was part of it was it the fame and i was like oh i've never even thought about that that's definitely a big part the fact that she gets recognized before him

the fact that she has a big following a big fan base the fact that he used to be somebody when he was boy george's manager yeah 50 fucking years ago that's got a sting when he just for a guy like him because he thinks he's hot shit it has to and i and i even want to just say say like this was a pretty good job by Doreet because with P.K. not being there, she has full possibility of just ripping him apart. Oh, she can say anything.

Especially after that statement. Especially after the email that we also read on air a while ago. There are... There are... There are... So many things that she can say here. And instead, she's choosing to take accountability. Yes, she's basically just taking the words that Andy's taking and saying, yeah, you know, that could have been part of it. And speaking too long

on me. But she could have just trashed you for a good five to ten minutes. Instead, she didn't. So I'm applaud her for that. And I guess that kind of shows you where the relationship is and what you're doing versus what she's doing. You're not showing up. Like that's all it is. Now I'm not saying you guys have to stay together. Like shit happens. You know, marriage is end. It's sad, but it is what it is. But the way that you're going about it sucks, P.K. We don't even like to read. No. But this is objective from what we've seen. Again, I understand there's more to the story that we're seeing. But I am watching his behavior when he has been on screen. And he's been a dick. Let's just say that

co-parenting is like a top five word on Bravo these days. Oh my God, it's on every fucking show. It's on every show. We are used to watching Separations, divorces, experts. And if we're watching this right now and telling you that you are doing a shit fucking job, you are doing a shit

job. Ralph is doing better than you. Ralph's a gigantic piece of shit. Oh man, P.K. in the basement would be sick. Oh, my God. We need to relegate all divorced dads that aren't doing their part into the basement. That has to happen. I'm telling you, there is something to this divorce dad's cribs well is there a basement anymore foreclosure pre foreclosure what

the hell's going on that the whole thing was sketchy as hell bro i don't know what's going on but i don't think they have a house anymore that's what i gathered even bo's stands up she's like or no i think it was erika it was like that's a good way to lose a house yeah it's fucking weird as hell but we started to get into like the details the the dirty stuff and with kyle saying you know i've never seen that side of pk when Doreet mentioned that he was a monster or called him the monster. And I don't think, like, this is the problem with Kyle. It has always been the problem with Kyle.

It probably always will be the problem with Kyle is lack of accountability and self-awareness, not understanding by you saying that, you're undermining your friend. She, a thousand percent, didn't rewatch it, by the way, right? No, no show. Last year, she said she didn't watch any of it. I don't think that she's ever watched it.

I think she might watch clips here and there that people send her. She probably has a team that will send her relevant clips that she can talk about at the reunion. Yeah. She's not going back. The whole I watch episode 17, then 16, then 15, no one does that. No.

That's not how timelines work. It's not how watching TV works. That would be a pain in the ass going on to Peacock, turning it on to episode 17. It would kick you immediately to the next season. Oh, yeah. You would then have to go back and watch it. Like, it was the stupidest thing I've ever heard my life. We know you're not watching it, just take accountability and say that.

And that's one of her biggest pitfalls, especially with reunions. And I know for years she never had to answer for anything she did. You are very lightly having to answer some things. So gently. You are going to be able to take off this reunion towards the end for a long time while everybody just attacked Sutton, which is going to be really annoying. And yes, she does deserve some of it, but it's going to be really fucking annoying. You just get to rest and relax. And instead, this is the one thing that you really need to key in on.

You're still having the same thoughts that you had during the season. You could easily just sit here and say, look, I understand. why it was inappropriate for me to text your husband while you're going through a separation. I know that you and I weren't in a good spot, but, you know, I did send a text and reach out. You sat on that text that you guys weren't in a good place and you texted her for so fucking long. All you had to do is just apologize and say, yeah, you know what? I can see why that would upset you. I shouldn't have done it.

You could move on so quickly. Instead, she's still saying the same shit that she said in episode four. And not understanding as she's trying to throw this out like some badge of honor. like Valor Medal where she's like, yeah, I texted you. The problem is you texted P.K. First, dude, that's the fucking problem. The problem is you had a text relationship with her husband whilst she was going through this and you weren't talking to her. You guys have been friends for a long time despite what your Amazon Live said. We know you've been friends for a long time. Everybody's seen you be friends for a long time. You're texting her husband instead of

texting her. That's the fucking issue. And yet you keep looping around to I texted you. and nobody else did. She even calls people out. You didn't text her. You didn't text her. I was like, no, I didn't fucking text her. Which is great. But she's trying to throw everybody else under the bus to vindicate herself for reaching out.

But again, the problem lies in the fact that you didn't text her first, one, and then two have carried on a texting relationship with her husband and are still not acknowledging that that was fucked up. Yeah. And how is nobody drawing the parallels between the two situations? Why did not Andy jump in and say, how would you feel? she was texting Maricio. If she texted Maricio before you. Because she would sidestep. Because she would sidestep. But still, no one's even coming to that, to that point.

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but yeah they all keep kind of it's it's a weird approach it's just a weird approach knowing what she's going you just heard the statement from pk all this is telling me is that there's a few women in this room that believe pk over duree because she brings up the sobriety thing you outed him for being alcoholic and yeah there that's obviously a touchy subject and should she have thrown that out there no she shouldn't have that's not how that goes he gave like if that's true that P.K. gave her his blessing, like, you can talk about this. It's a little bit of a different story. For sure. She didn't go about it the best way, but she's also going through a fucked up divorce. So, like, whatever. It's not, it shouldn't be this sticking point because, again, at the

end of the day, this is supposed to be your friend. And yet you keep unearthing reasons why she's in the wrong and P.K.'s in the right. That's wrong. That's a bad friend. It's weird as shit. And that makes me, again, we talked about a way back where it's like, oh, Maybe like, ha ha, maybe P.K. and Kyle, which no one fucking thinks that. But what is it with this dude? Yeah. You're not exonerating yourself in any way. Why are you defending it?

It would be the easiest thing in the world to do. I just don't understand why we're defending P.K. so staunchly. But Andy taps Sutton, and I think Sutton's going to get fucking skewered episode, by the way. But he taps her in, like, briefly in her opinion about P.K. and Derreet's finances. Like, what do you think's going to happen? She's like, I'm worried about her. Good. Good response.

And reads like, you have to have feelings and be conscientious to worry about people. All right, Sutton, don't fuck this up. I worry about all women. Damn it. Fucking, damn it. That was so vague and like, I know what she meant to. And this is the most infuriating thing with Sutton. She doesn't say enough.

She doesn't use any specific words to elaborate on what she's actually saying. And all of us sitting at home are like, I know what you mean. I know exactly what you mean. You're talking about women going through divorces that are going to get stuck in bad financial situations. That is exactly what you mean. That's all you have to say, verbatim. And everybody would know.

And yes, you're still going to get to REIT and maybe Bose will chime in and maybe Eric will chime in because that's what they do and they just gang up and go after you no matter what you say. But at least then when the audience sees that, they're like, yeah, no, we know what you mean. Okay, cool. Yeah. And stop talking then. Yeah. Don't.

Stop being reactionary. That's never going to happen. But, like, it's just hysterical to watch this start to, like, move on because her question is not bad either. Do you know whose name is on the mortgage? Clearly, Dorete doesn't because she can't answer the question. So she's like... She took it as a sleight. Yeah.

She's like, well, like, why do you even want to ask me that? It probably was a slate. And that's funny if that is a slight. Yeah. Okay. Because, again, you guys don't like each other. So if you do ask her that question, and Dorete does not know the answer, she's prepped for it. She's just going to attack back.

Yeah. That's all you have to do is just leave that out there. Do you know? You just attacked back at me. Just didn't answer the question. Yeah. Yeah. Let me make her respond instead of throwing it back at you.

But if you throw it back at Sutton, then she back pedals. And in this moment, she brings up, because Andy's like, what about when the forensic accounts get involved? And she's like, who, they're really tough. They find everything. And she's like, look, I know how this goes. I got divorced. And suddenly I had two baseball teams. I'm like, that's not the same.

Doreet's going to lose everything. You gained 300K a month and two baseball teams. Damn it. Like, how did you, in your head, put this together and be like, this is a good response? I'm going to tell her about all the things I gained from my divorce. Well, they probably, on the other side, don't have any money to share. Yeah, and this was such a good opportunity again where you could have been shady. That's why I say pick a fucking lean with her.

Yeah, poke. Because she does this. You get put into. a situation where they're all painting you as the villain that says terrible things that kicks women when they're down, you need to just own it at this point. You're not getting yourself out of that hole. If you throw a little shade in there and say, well, you know, my situation's a lot different. I gained a lot. I had two baseball teams at the end of it. You're not going to have that, though. Boom. Done over. Doreet's going to be so offended. The other women are going to be like,

oh, that's such a low blow. You can't do that, even though they can say whatever the fuck they want you can't say that if you leaned into that carcel probably would have laughed kyle may have even chuckled a little bit and you would have been in a better spot instead you just fumble through this and it looks so bad it's so tough to watch yeah you should have just said what you just said and then filed your nails yeah while they're responding and not give them the time of day but she's too reactionary because she cares too much about what that group thinks that's the underlying everything for sutton is she cares about that group why she won't leave the show because in her deluded mind she thinks that she could end up being friends with all.

I know, I know. But that's where you get the sketchy house foreclosure comment. No, it's in pre-foreclosure and P.K. called, but they didn't call back. And that's how P.K. does business. You don't call them back. He's not going to pay you. It's hardball in the bank. You can't hardball a bank.

What? They're going to foreclose. They're not going to take your, like, request and be like, wait, whoa, you can't take my house. You never call me back. They're going to be like, fuck you. give me the keys dude we offered you a settlement yeah hung up on us didn't call us back it's in your spam folder i don't fucking know but that's not how you that's not business we called you and all we heard was somebody who sounded like mo in the background screaming at a rave in greece yeah exactly is this

what's going on okay yeah we just heard i'll call you back in a week it's fucking crazy dude so yeah i i would imagine they don't have much of a house left anymore that's my my call she says that everything's fine. Much of a house left. Yeah, there's much of a house left there. It's one of those, what do they call those constructions modular? Oh yeah, they're just like pulling it a piece by piece away. Just like, deep, deat, that would be great. And then she gets back, and it's just a living room. It's just the cabana outside. No, it's just the living room with the weird P.K. Shrine. They left that up. The big room. The glass doors are gone. There's pools there, but they took the water. Yeah. That's, that's DeReed's house now. But we move on, and we

get to Bose who look she had a stellar season great great first year I'm excited for her to come back next year I didn't love didn't love her in this reunion because I just I don't know I felt her leaning towards that group and that group really fucking makes me mad and I think they've ruined this show and I don't want her to fall into that I do believe that she is an independent woman and once she gets her feet wet in season two and once she sees a full reunion's involved in a full reunion, sees how some of the ladies will sidestep and backtrack. I think it might shift. I do have a lot. I have a lot of hope for both. Like just same. Same. Full on after what we've watched this season. But I do have the same feeling that you do

after that watch what happens live with our. Yeah. The reunion and the way that she was hinting at the reunion, we know how the reunion's going to unfold. We've watched the Beverly Hills reunion before. Sure. They all end the same way in the last five, six years. Nothing has really changed. Sutton's going to get skewered. She's probably going to say some off the wall. shit because she's reacting to all of that, Garcel's going to get pissed off. I think Garcel's probably going to get pissed off either if she gets dragged into it or whatever. The fact that Bose's takeaway from all of that is, you know, I don't really know where

we stand, you know, and kind of siding with Erica and doing all of this is something that I don't like. I don't love it. Because, again, how do you not just expect Sutton to do what Sutton's going to end up doing the next part and the fact that Garcel left and you're still going to be siding with them? I don't like it. I don't either.

It just, it, it's potentially bad. Yeah. I still have high hopes. I still think she's great. I still loved what she did in the first season. Her two most recent appearances have been subpar. Yeah. Between Watch What Happens Live and this.

But let's, let's talk about it. She, uh, she says, I thought the show was really exaggerated, but now I got involved. It's all very real. Of course, awful news that she lost her house in Malibu. I didn't realize that we filmed in that house. I forgot that because they show that scene with Sutton later

I'm like oh shit which is fucking awful so that really sucks I was never before seen footage either was that yeah oh so I didn't even know that both yeah that and there was another one but I don't know

the fact that Bose and Sutton were sitting in one-on-one yeah house in Malibu and we didn't see it why and we just heard the entire time that Bose hasn't been able

to connect with Sutton but there was a scene maybe that scene might have told us more yeah could have told us why it's so I mean I still agree like if they weren't able to connect I understand why. Sure. I've seen Sutton on camera before, but still, that might, you know, give a little

context. I don't know. I would think, you know, it might be pertinent to the viewers to understand what's going on. I could have picked it like six different episodes where you could have plug that in instead of what you showed. We had plenty of time. A lot of time. There was, there was no absence of places you could have put that scene. But we got a Keely update. And, uh, and I felt for her here, like the response to both Keely being on the show, you know, it was, it was weird. You had a lot of people saying there's red flags. You had a lot of people saying it's great. I don't know why what's the red flag that he's single and older. I guess that he's never been married. Like we didn't see I didn't see any right. I thought

the way he handled the dinner with Lael was great. Like I liked the guy. Yeah. And then when she goes on when they're talking about the maternity stuff or sorry, the IVF and the journey with fertility and all that, she's like, I actually felt some type of way about everybody, you know, in the Bravo Sphere, the commenters and everybody having an opinion about my hopes and dreams. Because it is. It's invalidating to her in that she's not thinking this through. Bowes is an extraordinarily successful woman. I'm pretty sure, especially given her history of tough pregnancies, she's done her due

diligence here to make sure that she can handle this. Would you see people trying to knock her for the fact that she was only at like Apple for a year? then she went to Uber and then Hulu and Netflix and like all this it's like what that's what they do why she's jumping that's what chief officers do by the way they plug into different spots that they need and then they leave after two years that's pretty much they make like $10 million each year very funny to watch people that have no idea how things were well they're this is bad I've seen so many posts about I'm like is she broke no no no does she have bad reviews no no the only thing that you've heard is that she doesn't get along with

Oh, is she tough? Yeah. Are those companies falling apart when she leaves? No. So what's the fucking problem? Yeah, no there is no problem. She's sitting in a house in fucking Malibu. The problem is that people have too much time on there. Yeah, that's it. That's definitely it, because I don't see any issues here.

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