Bros & Shows - RHOBH is... Fine. Everything is Fine. (RHOBH Full Recap)

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

What's up Bros? RHOBH is exactly what we said. Fine. Its not good. Its not awful, it simply is. In this episode, Tilly throws a penis painting party. Dorit struggles with her kids response to PK being a terrible dad. Boz gets flustered with Kyle not discussing her life, yet refuses to question her on it. Sutton and Erika Jayne continue to hang out. Erika struggles with going to see Tom and say goodbye. Kyle kind of admits to Morgan Wade? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm fine. This show's fine. It's just a bit boring. I'm not even going to say it's bad. It's just, it's boring, which is, by the way, an upgrade. I got to have me my bros and shows. Bros and shows. Bros and shows.

I got to have me my bros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. and Shows. I'm your co-host. Steel Russell, joined as always by the one and only. Rob Hermogoutes. What's up, dude?

You sound a little sniffly over there. Are you all right? I'm not sniffly at all. Not even remotely. I am just exhausted. I am. I'm out of gas, burnt out. What other words can you say for I'm losing my fucking mind?

I'm sure we can think of some, but my brain isn't working. So that's okay. Yeah. So Beverly Hills, that's what we're talking about today. I don't know, man. I just, I'm trying so hard to be positive. I really am. Even while I'm watching it, I'm talking to my.

which is not really a good sign but you know that just shows you my mental state right now post vacation i'm having full conversations with myself about what this show is doing and i think i'm bored i think that's why i'm doing it and there's just not a lot to go off of yeah and there's just added pressure that we put on ourselves to be nice this season uh which is definitely entering my mind as i watch it now breaking down this episode and like what we've seen thus far again it's not terrible this is not the worst robhood that we've ever seen it's just boring like there's not a lot happening and i get it we have a lot of things we kind of need to clean and tidy up before we can move on which i'm okay with like the pk and dorit thing obviously that's still going on kyle has

decided i guess that she's going to be a little bit more open i guess i've yet to see that but that's what she's saying on the camera uh and then my favorite part of all that is she's blaming Morgan for not being able to talk about anything. Oh, is that who she was talking about? She never said anybody. Allegedly. But that's so funny to me that she's like, well, you know, by the way, I know

Morgan's not going to speak on this. So, fuck Morgan. It's her fault. I wanted to tell you guys. I've been I'm an open person. I'm an open book. I've been wanting to tell everybody about this, but that fucking Morgan Wade just wouldn't let me do it. I don't believe you. I don't believe that. I think that's an easy cop-fow. I think the

the hope for this season and the hope for the franchise moving forward rests squarely on the shoulders of I'm going to lump those into this, the three newcomers. Because I do think Rachel is very good and I'm actually kind of hopeful that she's going to be a very good housewife. I think Amanda can be absolute chaos. And I do think because there's a lot of people online talking about this, that she's a bit of a scam artist and a bit of a grifter, which, by the way, they make the best housewives. So let's get excited about that.

knock her down. Bows, I'm lumping in there because I'm going to give her another season to try to figure everything out. I was worried that last year she was just kind of merging into the rest of the crew and just going to be boring again. My big problem here is, like you said, yes, we have things to clean up. Of course we have to talk about Doreen Piquet. Of course, we're going to talk about Kyle and what she's doing sexually. Is she dating? Is she having sex? Is she attracted to women, men, both, whatever. The problem is that we've been doing that. The problem is that I don't think this is going to be cleanup work, this is going to be main storyline work, which does not work for this show.

It's not campy enough. It's not fun enough. It's boring because we don't really care too much because it's all we've been hearing about for season after season after season. And I don't think we're going to get more from to read. Obviously, this episode, there's a bit of an emotional breakdown. We'll talk more about that. I'm just not invested in it.

And I think that's the big problem. And the fact that it's not going to be that light, okay, you know, by episode five, six, we can kind of move on with new storylines. We're still going to be in the trenches of P.K. and Doret come episode 10, 11, 17, 25, whatever the fuck we're doing this season. We're still going to be very deep in the woods there and probably spill over to next season. So I'm already prepping myself for that mentally. But right now what we have is just, I don't know, a little boring.

That's really all it is. And if that's my only complaint, I'm okay with that for a little while. But once we start getting further into the season, if my complaint is still that I'm a little board that's not a good place to be no like with pk and dureate i'm not like against that being a storyline sure we need way more right all we get it depends on how we're talking about it right like we're talking to duret who i i you know i have no reason not to believe everything she's saying that's not the route that i'm going it's more we just have these breakdown moments which are sad like i actually do feel for doret when she's going through all this stuff from last year to this year i'm

not knocking what she's having to do and deal with. But it's just the same scene, copy and paste. Doreet's going through with PK. PK's being an asshole. It's affecting the kids. Fast forward to episodes. PK's being a dick. The kids are affected.

Yes, that's real. And yes, that's sad. And yes, I feel for Doreet. But if we want to talk about the P.K. Tarete thing frequently, I need more. I need, give me Mo talking to P.K., right? I don't believe anything P.K. is saying. But if he's going to be.

be this pivotal of the storyline, like we need to check in with him. And you know, damn well, he wants to be on camera. So go check in there. Or give us some more info about what's going on with the courts. Like, give us more info on the divorce. What are you doing? Are you moving forward? Let's have a meeting with your lawyer. Let's hear what they have to say. Like, the stuff that we've seen, even somebody is reluctant as Kyle to share, still let us in a little bit on the process between her and Mo. With Doree, we really haven't gotten that. We've gotten that restaurant that her and P.K. went to a couple times and P.K. yelled at her. We've gotten pictures of P.K. Smooching Chicks because you plan that. And we've had to read crying about it.

That's it. And that's been two and a half years. So it's like, okay, this is a thing. Sure. You're going through it. Sure. Let us support you by learning more about what's going on with you. I agree with that. And I do think that I'm looking at it from a more sadistic approach, if you will, because divorces on Housewife shows typically are very polarizing. And they are very interesting. to watch. I think the biggest problem here is we know that P.K's a piece of shit. But he's not like Michael Darby level where it's like, holy shit, they're shock and awe. It's he's a mix of he's just a terrible father and he's trying to do what Mo is doing, but he's not as hot as Mo. So he's trying to force this by hooking up with girls and probably planning paparazzi, but it's all expected

behavior. So if we do, like you said, we want to get more. We want to have like a more in-depth conversation about what's going on from both sides, from somebody else who's a third party, whatever it might be. I don't think it's ever going to get to the level of interest that we want it to be because we already know this is what he's doing. Like you and I called it, I think, at the reunion last year, well, this is what's going to happen. One of us said he's probably going to file for some sort of joint custody just because that's what he wants to present himself as a good father, but we know he's not a good father. That's what we got in this episode. we got last week he's filing for joint custody this week

he's trying to act like he's a good father but we know he's not a good father so it's all stuff that we can predict very easily whereas somebody like a michael darby who i'm going to use as the other end of the spectrum it was shock at all like oh my god wait you you're telling me that he was in the hotel room with a girl and a guy holy shit he's a piece of shit he's just cheating on actually left him right there was so much news that came out that was very polarizing and very interesting with pk it's like yeah duh i know that this is what he's doing I mean, even Rachel called it out this episode. He'll stop there.

He'll stop in Florida somewhere. And then he'll go to San Trope because that's what he's going to do. Everybody knows what he's going to do. So it's not an interesting storyline, but we still have to get through it. And I think that's the biggest problem right now is we already know it's going to be kind of boring. And we also know that we're going to have to endure it for a long time. And then you add Kyle's shit on top that we've been talking about for seven years now, it seems like. We're going to have to endure that for the whole season.

The outlook's not strong. That's why I'm saying it relies squarely on the newbies. to create some chaos, to do some fun things. Try to force this group to have fun and get out of their comfort zone because they've been in their comfort zone for like 10 years now, and it's boring. Yeah, well, that's not encouraging either if it's up to the newbies. I agree with you about Amanda. I agree with you about Rachel.

I think Bo's, I think she's a dud. I think that she fell into the Kyle camp. I think we saw that happen last year. I don't think that's a hot take either. And people are going to think that is, but I think you and I are in agreement. I think that I don't think that's a hot take at all. I think that the audience might agree, honestly. And I don't think she's terrible.

I don't think she's the worst housewife on this show by any means. She's just another Beverly Hills housewife. Like it's the same run of the mill shit that we've seen for years. That's why Rachel might not even be doing great. It's just different. It's different than what we've been used to seeing. We're like, oh, this is kind of nice. And Amanda comes in and she's supposed to tear the place down and lighted on fire.

Okay, cool. Like, is she great? She seemed really stiff. She seems like she's uncomfortable in front of a camera. Am I excited to see what she's going to do? Yeah, because it's new. It's different. Maybe she will come in and burn things down.

But ever since we saw the reunion last year where you watched Bowes just kind of snuggle up to Kyle. It's like, oh, fuck. Okay, well, that's over. That sucks. Like, we got another Kyle teammate. Great. That's what the show is. Get on Kyle's team or get the fuck off.

If you need proof of that, bye-bye, Garcel. Sutton's immediately on Kyle's team again. Like, it's so. predictable it is so we can lay out every storyline every major storyline for every individual on this show not one of them seems interesting you know what i mean like not one of them seems like okay this is kind of interesting we kind of went through that with dureate last year when she was smoking a cigarette we're like wow all right sports are three maybe there is still some ember in there that can erupt for dureate where she actually takes it out on the group we're seeing that a little bit

with Kyle, especially when she tries to bring up her opinion, but I need her to go after everybody that makes comments. I need Sutton to not have her storyline be, do I change my name back to Sutton Brown? I don't care. I do not care at all. I don't care if Eric is going to get some final goodbye with Tom Gerardy. That can be a TMZ picture that I see where they're going in and out of a prison. Fine, good. I don't need to see it on the show. It's just all very boring and played out material. So I'm worried. And that's why I'm just trying to deviate, trying to push some of my interest level to the newbies because they're unknown quantities. And that's really all we have. But the reason that we're doing this whole preamble, I think is because not a lot happens to

this episode. Yeah, nothing happens. Like, that's my point. There's just not a lot. We covered everything in that preamble. Like, obviously, we're going to recap it. We'll see you later, guys. Actually, we've got another episode to do. Yeah. Like, we're going to go through it and we'll give our takes as we always do we take the shit seriously you guys know that but yeah it and i think i preface just to make everyone understand like i i'm not watching this like fuming said i'm just like okay like sure like i i lose interest every now and then and i like focus back in but it's not it's not the worst shit i've seen recently so that's something positivity it's like it's in the middle of the spectrum of oc like when you think about the slate for the week and you look at a day

and you go, fuck, O-C's on, or, oh, yay, Potomac's on. Oh, yay, Salt Lake's on. Beverly Hills is somewhere in the middle where it's like, oh, yeah, Beverly Hills is on. Oh, yeah, right. Right. I forgot that that was still on. That's kind of where we are. And I think a lot of people will share that sentiment, at least I hope so, because that's

where we are. It's not bad. It's not even close to good, it's not even close to good, really, but it's not even really that close to bad. It's just, it could still, like, it just is. It is, and it always was. And that's kind of where we're going. And forever will be, apparently.

But we start out. Yeah, Rabah's a flat circle. That's what we've come to in our studies. But we start the episode with Rachel and her kids and Bose comes over. It seems like these two have a relationship previously. So they kind of know each other a little bit. I feel like that's kind of the norm for Beverly Hills as a whole. But they're given kind of a run through of the group.

That's what I gathered from this whole thing where they're talking about, you know, the ex-kissing photos between P.K. and Mo. And then Rachel actually's like, oh, well, actually, that happened to me, too. And we actually get the article up on the screen where the same exact thing occurred. It was very shortly after her and her husband had gotten divorced. Then we get to learn about her dynamic with Roger, who again, I don't know Roger. I will say, I hope he's a piece of shit because he's certainly being painted this one. But as they're talking about it, she's like, you know, he wanted to join custody of the kids just for.

image pretty much, which this is foreshadowing what happens with P.K. And she was like, fuck that. So she's got sole custody of her kids. As we know, dad's not really around. He just hangs out with his girlfriend all the time. And they get to the Kyle of it all. Now, everyone's issue with Kyle is what our issue with Kyle is. And that is not talking about things, right?

So Bose had asked her, hey, are you dating anybody? Or somebody asked, are you dating anybody? She's like, nope. not doing anything period hard stop and there's a lot of eye rolls in the group bo's being one of the people rolling our eyes i have something to say about this later when they all get together but it's back to kyle's not answering questions so we're on episode two and kyle's storyline is kyle's still after four fucking years of this she's still not talking that's what we're like that's where i get frustrated why do you think she doesn't just make something up like it's

gotten to the point of uncomfortability where if we're in a group setting with a bunch of friends around, and for whatever reason, everybody's head is up your ass asking you the same question. Why wouldn't you just say either one, mind your fucking business. I don't feel like talking about it. Yes, I'm dating, but it's none of your business who I'm dating because I'm trying to keep my private life private while I go through this divorce with Beau. I think a lot of people would understand that. I think you would get some support in the group. Yes, you're going to have some people on the outside on their islands that are still going to be looking back at you and trying to get more information because that's how these shows work.

But at least you're addressing the question. When you just keep saying no and then you have a scene like this at the end of the episode, it's going to piss a lot of people off that now you're talking about it, but you're only talking about it, but you're not really talking about it. You're just telling everybody what we already know. So it's not doing anything. I don't understand why she doesn't just say, you know what, look, I'm playing the field a little bit, not really interested in dating right now.

That's kind of the end of it. Like, I really don't have anything to report. I think if she just did that and just expanded a little bit on the thought instead of just saying no or I'm single and then they follow up with are you having sex with anybody? You can say no again. It doesn't make a ton of sense. If they're going to keep asking, they want more information. That's how this works. And I know you've done this for 50 years now where you don't answer questions, but it doesn't work anymore.

You're kind of on the hot seat with the group and with the fans. So I don't understand why she doesn't just expand on it. Yeah, fake it. Make it up. We don't care. I don't care. But no, that would be better than what we're getting. At Fandual Casino, you get even more ways to play.

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mo has moved on kyle has not this to me gave that kyle wants to get back with mo and wants to find a way forward and it's furthered by the fact that she's upset when his lease ran out on his condo his bachelor pad that they kept talking about last year he just went and leased the house immediately after the fact without talking to kyle i guess kyle had hoped that he would have checked in with her and maybe they would have moved back in together or at least had the conversation, but she goes as far in this scene to say that's creating more of a distance between us, both literally and figuratively by him just going off and doing that. So again, it's last year where this scene, this exact scene happened in Kyle's kitchen

last year when they were talking about the condo, right? So now we're doing it again, but instead of talking about the condo, we're talking about the lease of the house. Yeah, it really falls on both of them, too, because we're not seeing any or either side communicate at all, what's going on. We can tell from Mo's body language the things that he's doing that he wants to separate himself even further, that he's done. He's moving on with his life. At least he's enjoying this part of his single life, I guess, whatever. Kyle's still holding on to some hope that it might come back.

Maybe that was just a fling. We had a few months separated, but we're going to come back together. That seems very typical for, you know, people who have been married for 30 years. That's okay, too. neither of them is saying that and that's the big problem with these scenes like you said it's the same shit that we saw last year i was okay with it last year because it was still awkward it was still fresh it was still unknown we don't know where we're going with everything we're trying to figure it out i'm trying to read what he wants he's trying to read what i want it doesn't seem like either of us

are really lining up fine i'm good with that last year but a year later we're still doing the same thing and you guys aren't talking but then you're going to a confessional explaining to us that you're confused and you don't know exactly what's going on on it's like okay then where are we what's the point in watching this then exactly exactly so let's keep trucking to sutton and erika jane this i can get on board with if we're gonna have these two paling around a little bit during the season i'm okay i it's it's not super polarizing where i'm like fuck yeah it's four years too late we we were rooting for this four years ago when there was still hope now i'm seeing this i just don't care anymore now it just feels like

We've been on the same show together for a while, so should we just, like, start to hang out? Yeah. And Eric is just talking about Tom, you know, and we know that he just got sentenced, so he's about to head to serve his time. And she's wondering what to do. Do I go say goodbye? Do I not say goodbye? And I'm sure that's fucking her up, for sure. And her and Sutton connect over this.

Like Sutton has, like, a nice moment with her while they're both at the spa. And she's like, oh, wow, like, I really feel bad for her. And Eric has got her civil cases going on. And again, sorry, guys, copy paste. This conversation is literally nice. It's fine. But that's why everything's fine. Everything is just fine.

You're so right. It's just, it's nice to watch. It's not fun to watch. It's nice to see that Sutton didn't put her foot in her mouth and asked too many questions. It's nice to see that Erica didn't get all up in arms when Sutton was asking personal questions. They seem to have some sort of good rapport. That's all well and good. that's kind of the end of it though like there's no there's nothing more to that thought it's just

okay cool guys that's awesome i know what eric is doing eric is setting this whole story line up for herself where she's then going to just kind of bounce back and forth of do i go see tom do i not go see tom do i owe it to him do i owe it to myself again completely fine i do understand how that works but it's so late in the game for this that i just simply don't care i thought tom died I thought he was dead so this was news to me it's like oh he might as well be he might as well be but like the only thing that we're getting from Sutton which I do think if I pose it this way to both of us we could have gone off the deep end with Sutton Sutton losing Garcel she could have then just kind of been out on an island by herself the whole season it would have been

pretty sad to watch she probably would have started to spiral and get rattled and then if she doesn't have you know a good moment or two with Jennifer Tilly then what does she really have working for because the rest of the women are kind of done with her. It seems like she's warmed fully back up, which I'd prefer versus the former, because I don't really want to watch that. I'm okay with at least, yeah, I mean, you are a full-time housewife. I would like more out of you, but I'm okay with this version of what Sutton's doing. Agreed.

It's fine. Right? Fine and okay are just the motif for this entire show right now. That's just how I feel. Like, I can't think of any other way to describe it. And Doreet has invited her parents to come stay with her, which is nice. You know, she needs the support clearly, and they've been there giving her some backup. It's fine.

It's great. And she starts talking about how this has affected her kids. And we heard this last year. You know, Jagger is definitely feeling the effects a little bit more than young Phoenix. And it's really starting to affect him to the point where he's asking for grandpa now. He wants a male role model in his life so much that he's just looking for somebody to be that person. So he's landed on his grandfather, which makes a lot of sense. Grandfather shows up. Kids stoked. It kind of turns into himself again. And they're going to take him to

Florida. Get the fuck out of Dodge for a while. It's a great idea. Yes, get the kids out of here. Let Doreet, breathe for a sec. Maybe she can figure some shit out, get P.K. out of the fucking picture. And the kids can go have fun with grandma and grandpa. Awesome. Cool. But here's my issue when we keep doing these scenes, right? All I just did was analyze the scene. scene. Or sorry, I don't even think you analyzed it. I just explained the scene, right? That's what I did with Erica and Sutton. That's ready with Kyle and Mo. There's nothing to talk. There's no discourse. There is no discourse. And look, this isn't our fault. Okay, guys, before you get mad at us, because I do wonder what the reception is going to be. We obviously have a lot of people to get

upset that we hate watch OC and a lot of people that love that we hate watch OC. There's obviously a lot of you out there that enjoy when we enjoy a show. I don't know what the reception is when we're just going through an episode explaining the steam from our point of view that everybody watched. We're not adding anything to it because there's nothing to add.

They're not adding anything. I'm not adding anything, okay? So what do you want to do? Again, this one it's objective. P.K's a piece of shit. The kids are struggling. Doreat's going through it. Yeah. Period. The scene before.

Eric is going through it Sutton's warming up to her a little bit we saw that happening last year that's what's happening there's no there's no room for like do you think they're going to get closer I don't know you can't even really talk you can't speak on it so yeah and it's not like we're going to talk

about the well-being of children either it's you know I think it's a good idea it's not our place so here we are send them to Florida give them a little bit of space because it seems like at least Jagger needs a little bit of space and he likes being around his grandparents. Doreet needs a little bit of space to figure some things out. I think she would do herself a lot of good if she would sit down with people and just

have normal conversations about it instead of, you know, breaking down. But maybe it's a little fresh, whatever. I'm okay with that. There's just not a whole lot more to go off of because like you said in the beginning of the episode, they're not giving us anything more. We're just getting the one side and it's all stuff that we already knew. So I don't know how we're doing this at this point. I don't know.

but I don't think we ever had a ho-hum watch we've had a hate watch we've had a love watch this is a whole-hum watch yeah it is anyway let's let's at least at least we can talk about the newcomer because Kyle and Alexia are going shopping and Alexia's getting married

so they're getting their registry ready fucking eight weeks before the wedding and I was watching this with Dev and she was like that's such a that's a rich people thing like of course eight weeks out nothing's planned because they can just go book whatever wherever whenever so they're doing it last minute.

Sutton arrives to keep looking at Chotchkes and plates. The plates were gorgeous. I did really like those plates. But Amanda shows up and we get this prelude, this story about Kyle selling her house to this woman. This woman's husband took a mallet to their floors. Now, I don't know what they were trying to relay with this video. I believe what they were trying to say was we just bought a house.

then found out we're pregnant so now we have to make the house more child friendly. I think that was the goal of the video. Okay, because what it comes off as is the husband found out that you're pregnant and he's fucking pissed and he is taking out of his anger

on a tile floor. So this is, and we don't know a whole lot about Amanda, but naturally it's Beverly Hills, there's a lot of people watching it. They immediately go to public records. They start digging things up. They look at her book sales. They try to figure out how She became a bestseller.

Everybody knows it's a spoiler note, but she did the same thing that Sheena did. She became a bestseller because she just plugged her book in certain different ways and then sold a couple in the first week. And she became a bestseller. That's exactly all it works. Put your shit in a certain area on Amazon. It's going to work every time.

Fine, whatever. But what we know about her tells me that she knew that this was Kyle's house. She knew that it was iconic for a Beverly Hills show. And she knew that that was going to play on socials. how many people fall very innocently to the traps of watching something on TikTok and watching something on Instagram that's just pure rage bait that's all it was you didn't need to show us any of that it's rage bait and then you get pissed off about it and then you comment on it and guess who's reaping all the benefits the person who posted it that's all

it was to me I think it was just rage bait yeah I think she's a grifter like that's got to be what's going on and as you said that's great like that's great news because that means she's sneaky shady slimy like that's what that's what we want and wealthy like at least as far as we know you know she bought a bell air house from cal richard i would assume that they're at least somewhat well off to be able to afford that house yeah as we know from potomac where they have 47 credit cards and different names yeah that's i wasn't even talking about wendy and i just talked about angel getting allegedly evicted this last episode so see there's there's a lot of places you can look you can go across the board in most housewife franchises and find the people that could not afford their homes.

Right. So I don't know. Like that'll obviously come out if she can't that Bravo fans will dig that out. But I do believe that she could be the shake up the show needs. And it could be to go as far as to say, let's say she has a good run, right? Let's say Rachel Zoe has a good comeback. So far she's done a good job. She's one of my favorites on the cast right now.

Amanda, a little stiff, first time in front of the camera, fine, no problems there. What I think, I think, what I hope is they are trying to have a changing of the guard a little bit. Make this get some younger generations in there, bringing Rachel Zoh back, because now you have somebody that's been there before. You can put her in a bigger role next season where she's kind of taking the reins. If Kyle's not going to step up, you can kind of pass it off. And then you've got Bose who's been there for a couple of years. You've got Erica, who I think will always be, because of her personality. I think she'll always be able to fit in with a group.

I don't think it's ever going to be like she's an outlier, an odd man out. So I think she can vibe with whomever. So if you have this where you're starting to plug in some younger people, maybe it lights a fire. And maybe it also forces some people out. If Amanda comes in and has a great season, Rachel's always a great season, now we're looking at different people in Beverly Hills. And that's something we haven't done since Diana Jenkins. And we've only looked at Diana Jenkins that way because she was so fucking insane.

And everything got so crazy. And then she zoomed into the reunion. So I'm hoping that this is a longer play. And that's giving Bravo a lot of credit. And I understand that. But I'm hoping this is like a long play here where they're trying to actually shift how this show's operating. Right. Will that happen?

Maybe. But maybe. My hope is that it's sort of a Beverly Hills equivalent of a Monica Garcia plug and play. Throw someone out there who can create a crazy amount of chaos in a short amount of time. Look at what that did for Salt Lake. I mean, Salt Lake Season 3 was trash, so yeah. Salt Lake Season 3, I will not listen to anybody else's opinions on it. It is so bad.

I've rewatched it. It's still awful. But Monica comes in season 4. You didn't really make that many changes. Like, yes, we have Bromwin going back to Salt Lake afterwards. it brought that group back together and that is something that I feel like they can do with Beverly Hills if you have somebody

now obviously it's not going to be that Amanda's got all these burner accounts she doesn't have all these things online she's not writing rumors about people but if she's chaotic enough and she affects the group in a certain way it can change their mentality it can bring them a little bit closer

maybe they get a little bit guarded about people coming into their group maybe they think a little differently about how they're I guess personified on the show Whatever it might do, that's what I'm kind of hoping it is. And that's what I mean when I say that having somebody like a grifter that just comes into the group, they want all eyes on that. And I do think that's going to rub a few of these women the wrong way. And that could be good for the show because then you don't have to make major overhaul changes, which they're never going to do for Beverly Hills.

But you can change what you already have. So that's my hope at least. Question for you, though. So you're saying they're implementing Operation Common Enemy? That's their new move. That's the new move for Bravo. Operation comment on me. Why not?

Who cares? Let's just go ahead and do it. But my question for you is, Amanda comes into the group. She's presented to us as the woman who bought Kyle's Bel Air home. Later, Kyle says, yes, Sutton invited her friend Amanda over to Jennifer's house. Who is Amanda to this group?

Did she just get voted in the group? I think you just misunderstood. I think that was kind of in a joking, way to say, like, oh, yeah, and Sutton invited her new friend, implying, like, they just met today and Sutton threw out an invite. Sometimes, they try. They do try. I do think that that was a nod to, like, yeah, they just met while we were getting

stuff for the registry and Sutton, like, out of nowhere, invited her over here. So she's coming. Which also doesn't make sense because she's on the show, guys. So she's on contracts or she's coming to that party. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Sometimes they should just hit us over the head with that one. I was just confused.

Beat me, daddy. at first it was just as simple as yeah she bought my house in belair and now she's on the show like that's our introduction to this woman that makes no sense to me later she's sutton's friend oh wait why didn't they just do that in the first okay so if it was just a joke that's fine if she is sutton's friend why wouldn't you just tell us she's sutton's friend and she bought kyle's house it just seemed like a very weird introduction but that's why i think i don't think her and sutton have any relationship other than just meeting at the registry shopping yeah anyway there everyone's getting ready for tilly's party i was thrilled to see

tilly on the screen i will always be happy when jennifer tilly is around i think she is a diamond in the rough in bravo period and i will i will die on that hill i will die on the tilly hill so she's having a paint and uh sip party which i want i'm so bummed that these are like a thing now I would love to go sip some wine and paint like that sounds like a lovely evening and I will never get to do that again again I never did it I'll never get to do that period

what you can still paint pro like pop an edible it's a whole thing no it's different I'll come over I'll get false confidence we'll try stecy's edibles yeah that we'll take

okay wait shio paint We'll take some Shio Pate. Yeah, we'll call it a Shio paint. Why not? How do you, Shio and? We could figure out with a Nigerian word for paint is. There you go. Oh, and that'll be our party.

That seems like cultural appropriation. I don't think I want to do that. That's a bad look. No, you're right. That's good self-awareness. Good call. Shio and, no. Oh, we could go.

I go to this place to get cryotherapy. We could do Shio and cryo. That kind of works. That actually sounds horrifying, by the way. I've done it. It's terrifying. I can't feel my limbs. Anyway, I took an edible and did cryo.

I would have a cryo in the cryo. Oh, I get it. Like a tear. And then you're freeze and now you would die. Now you're blind. I would die? You're blind from frozen tears. So now you're not only colorblind.

Now you're blind. My tear dugs freeze up and then it just pokes an icicle in my brain and then I'm dead. There you go. I'm never doing this now, by the way. You're not telling this. But you feel great afterwards. After death? After the panic attack.

Well, yeah, probably. Or you feel nothing. Like, that's the beautiful thing about death. Like, a lot of people are scared of dying. I'm not. Because one of two things are going to happen. Either you're going to heaven. You're going to hell.

Or you're just nothing. Like, that's not a scary thought to just, like, boop like you're not going to care you know what i mean does that make sense because like if there is nothing you're not going to care that there's nothing because there's simply nothing like it just stops like i'm cool but what if you're just floating in your own thoughts for the rest of eternity see that's hell i'd be entertained my brain's insane i got a lot going on up here yeah i just think about all the bad things i've ever done in my life well then you just go to hell oh yeah that would just be hell okay yeah well i mean let's be real we cracked this we crack this

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everyone's getting ready for the party, and I, fuck, fuck Lubbubo's. I love Dorit's makeup team. Her glam team, you're correct. Don't wear a stuffed animal keychain on your wrist. These fucking things, I don't know if you have experience with a Lubbubu?

I don't. But at least I will say that she did it because when this was filmed, Labuboos were huge. At least she did it on trend. I still had a problem with it. But yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's an age limit. Not to be an ageist, but.

We had to go up and down the Wildwood Boardwalk because you know every single one of those stores have knock off Labuboos. I don't know what they called them, Labbe's or Dubu. But, poppy needed she wanted a certain one and I just remember going into these stores and she'd been saving her money and there is nothing cuter than when your kids are like I got 50 bucks like I'm gonna go spend I never let her actually spend it she thinks she does but I save it and I'm just gonna give it to her later but we had to fucking traverse the boardwalk all the way down past the the first pier with the roller coasters and all the way back down to go back to the first fucking store on the boardwalk from where we come from a 13th and bang she found the one there so we went boop boop and then found the lobooboo

but anyway enough loboos let's talk about bows okay who is uh she's really plummeting for me not in this scene her and lael i think she she's a great mom and i really do enjoy her family scenes i like seeing her with keely i like seeing all three of them together and i would think and hope that because of all of that she would have a better outlook on the scene i'm about to talk about But with Lael, you know, we've watched her. It's so crazy when we watch these shows because you watch like kids turn into it seems like adults. And Lael was already very mature when she was talking to. Remember her talking about Keely last season.

It was so she sounded like a grown up talking about it. So then fast forward to now. She's 16. Mom's doing her hair talking about Keely proposals, things like that. She's like, yeah, I'm going to need to give him the blessing, though, Mom. I'm going to have to let this guy know. If you want to marry my mom, you come through me, which I love that. Mom respects it too.

But I'm just always, if for nothing else on shows that we hate watch or ho-hum watch, if nothing else, at least we can credit the vast majority of housewives for being good moms because their kids are legit. These moms have really good children across the board. So I want to give them props where I can because at the moment, that's about it. But they are great mothers. They are great mothers. I fully agree that Keeley should have to go for blessing. He should do that, by the way, without her saying that. Without her saying it.

Yeah, this shouldn't be brought up. And I do think he would because we really like Keeley. Everything that we've seen from him seems like a stand-up guy. So I do think that he would go that route. I don't think it's crazy. I mean, I think it's crazy that a 16-year-old is telling her mom, yeah, he needs to go through me. Like, she's gone. I love that.

But at the same time, I do think that that's pretty normal. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. So that's definitely the correct way to do it. But before we go to Jennifer Tilly's for a little, what is it, sip and paint? Is that what we're calling it? The P-P painting party. P-P painting party. It's the triple Pee.

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It didn't go so good. And we get the flashback to Sutton threatening people with her wallet. So she wants her redo and she decided that this is the correct way to do it. I would have to agree with her. And I would also say, I am stunned, baffled even, that this is the first time we have seen a penis painting party on a housewife show. It may have happened in the past. I've never seen it. This seems like it should be one of the go-to tropes for the majority of these groups.

Yeah, I do wonder if this is going to kick off a new revolution where we've gotten through our roaring 20s parties, our post-COVID parties, all the, weird things we've done over the years. Sound baths. Sound baths, all of those things. This one seems like the most appealing. It seems a lot more. Uh-huh. Yeah, we still have to get one of those or I have to get one of those. I don't know where we met on that agreement. I'm still worried about your mustache. I mean, this is, and it's the right group of women, too, because they make dick jokes, but they're tasteful dick jokes. If they did this in Potomac, it's like, okay, I know what you guys are going to say. I already know somebody's going to say something. Then they're going to point at it and say, hey, Giselle, have you seen one of these in the last couple of years?

Because we don't even know who you're dating. But at the same time, it seems like a no-brainer. I'm with you. I don't understand how this wasn't the thing before. I don't know, but describing dick jokes as tasteful as a choice. That was a choice. Tasteful dick jokes, tasteful dick jokes. I don't know.

Oh, boy. Well, all the ladies arrive over to the house. the co-signed from Tilly on Rachel Zoe is all I needed because she's floored by the fact that Rachel walked into her house. She's like, oh, my God, it's Rachel Zoh, like the number one stylist in Hollywood. Let's not forget, Tilly is the richest of the ladies on this show. Maybe not Kyle. I don't really know.

I think she has more than Kyle because you got Simpsons money. So for her to acknowledge Rachel really shows you who Rachel is in Hollywood. So that was, I wrote that one down, made a note of that one. But everybody arrives and Amanda shows up and they're talking, you know, she says she's born in 85, blah, blah, blah. I've got more kids. Oh, sorry. Did you get the same thing from her fit that I got?

Because it wasn't just that she looked like a, what was a Vogue model from 85? 85. It's not dirty dancing, is it? Nope. It's something near and dear to Jennifer Tilly. Oh, that's not a bride of judgment. Yeah, it's the bride of Chuckie. That's what she wears, yeah.

She wears the white dress with a leather jacket. And no one said a word. And that gives me no hope for this cast because you're sitting in Jennifer Tilly's house. She didn't say a word. She probably has the mannequin, like up on her man. She does have the mannequin. We've seen it. That's the different house.

That's her Malibu creepy house. Oh, true. No, wait, Malibu creepy house. That's the ghost house. It's the house right next door. It's the next door house to where they're currently at. Yeah. That's that house.

Okay. But that's what I got right away. I'm like, well, you're right. Nobody said a word. Okay. God,

I haven't watched Chuckie movies in forever. I already told you that one time. Oh, yeah. Riley watched me and then she was scared of garden gnomes for her better part of her childhood because she thought Chuckie was a garden dumb. Yeah,

reasonable. Garden nodes are scary things. I agree. I don't understand them. But anyhow, the ladies are all there. Amanda arrives in her bride of Chucky outfit, and she's giving everybody the rundown of her,

life. You know, I'm married. I got four kids. Two of them are stepkids for this one. Brutal. Absolutely brutal. And I think any most, not everybody, but a lot of people that are children of divorce or have a stepparent can can agree with what I'm saying here for her to say, oh, they're his kids. That one's like, I've had a stepmother and a stepfather since I was seven years old. Yeah. My daughter has a stepmother who is a mom to my daughter, not in lieu of her actual mother, but she's also a mother to my child. So for her, that was so brazen and gross.

I hate that. With Keeley there, too, like in the picture, it's like, what would you say to him? If Keeley referred to your daughter as his daughter, you would absolutely adore that. I do think that's one of like the biggest celebrated things when you do have a step-parent. You have a step-parent that actually refers to you as

their kid. Everybody loves that. There's nothing wrong with any of that. So yeah, her uttering those words, she took so many steps back like like yeah i was i was livid i was like wow you just like the other stuff she was kind of falling in the rankings but not like terribly it's just like oh your team Kyle now that kind of sucks one line and it's not even like at anybody i was like wow that's so fuck yeah like for you to say that like there's so many people are going to watch that and go oh fuck this woman you also don't even know what the background is what if her husband now

has a deadbeat wife who knows maybe she didn't show up for the kids maybe she didn't want anything to do with the kids now they have a mother like in the middle of the night maybe she went to get cigarettes and never came back you have no idea of what the story is behind that and you're going to say that five seconds after meeting this woman crazy yeah i thought it was absolutely abhorrent i really really didn't like that at all so now she's at she's literally at the bottom because of that statement like she's my least favorite housewife so nice work boz anyway let's get to peypies this this group of gentlemen fascinating very so fascinating i want to know everyone was swimming in the pool naked afterwards

with his glass of wine that was funny and you know tilly just gave him to go ahead like hey you did a great job you struck that pose for what seemed like an hour and a half and that poor guy definitely hurting go ahead and just swim it off in the pool here's a glass of rosé thanks thanks miss tilly i love you i would love a seat of her coming back out like with clothes on what the fuck like i'm sorry yeah post credit nude like then i of course me being me i'm like are they from a nudist colony like are they just always naked like what's your deal guys like i want to know about them now but everyone's painting peepers and we go through and show our our wiener picks ericas i would argue is the most lifelike well done erika um the rest of them are just kind

of funny but this was a fun activity this was funny to me like this is and this is something that this group needs we need to lighten the fuck up ladies we need to have some fun and if we need dicks to do that then by all means have a dick in every episode as erika says a bag of dicks would much rather a bag of dicks than a bowl of fruit damn it who wouldn't put that on a book card but that's what you get from like stupid shit like this right like that's a funny line it's a funny scene fun moments that show us that you guys are friends and can get a lot and that's really all we want because again, that's another aspect of this show that is, it's fine, is that their friendships are fine. Like, you know what I mean?

It's another thing. Like, you just keep adding to the list. There are shows where you can tell they're not friends and that doesn't equate to good TV. There's shows where they do hang out all the time and that is good TV. Once again, Beverly Hills is in the middle. You guys don't really hang out, but you kind of do. You maybe talk on the phone. You guys are fine.

You guys are like mid-level friends. That's what we get from this show. God, I mean, this episode will be named Robha is fine, by the way. Oh, that's fine. Come on, guys. Check it out or adult, you know? You'll be fine either way. Oh, boy.

Well, let's flash back to two years ago. Oh, no, wait. It's this episode. Let's talk about Kyle dating. Okay. Well, not dating right now. All right. And Bose wants to go to a confessional.

You want to go to a confessional and say, let's get to the heart of the matter. There's rumors. there's there's things going around there's pictures yeah fucking say that say it right there just say hey kyle like that tells me again that you are really on her team like you're you have fallen in line and that sucks because when bows came in we were i was really high on bows i thought that she was what we needed to change this show around i thought she came in really well she had great like three quarters of the season was that last little chunk where and i remember talking about it. We both were like, whoa, what the

fuck? It was like, phew. So I understand you need to have some tact and there's, there's gameplay that's early in the season, but wouldn't it have landed so much better than instead of going to a confessional, if Bose had said, I don't want to pry, but

I heard, or I saw that picture of you on a date with so-and-so, like, what's that, what's going on? This lack of rocking the boat and fear of stirring shit up with everybody. we're too polite now, you know, like the only things that we get are blowups between Doreet and Kyle, which are forced now because that happens here where people are trying

to console Dorete because she starts getting upset about Jagger, which was heart-wrenching. And Sutton relates because she remembers her divorce and like a lot of the ladies there have been divorced. A lot of people are like, that was a touching scene. It's like, hey, we got your back girl. Kyle even jumps in, like gives her a hug, then puts her foot in her mouth and says, well, we don't really know if PK's a piece of shit. But like, if you look at the.

episodes like the only things that we can count on to stir things up are derit blowing up at kyle sutton blowing up at the group and kyle blowing up at the group for asking questions other than that where else are we looking for things to pop off you just did the whole scene instead of just going to talk about i did the whole scene in a sentence I was internally thinking I'm like, wow, I've got such a great point about this Bose confessional comment and you're like, here's the rest of the scene

in 30 seconds, guys. No, it's okay, honestly, because you did a great job about doing the rest of it. But for Bose's confessional, I will say, I do think that this is where the group is going to sorely miss Garcel and where the show is going to sorely miss Garcel.

She was the only person, and yes, albeit sometimes she did have Sutton do it for her, which Sutton would then put her foot in her mouth and then it wouldn't play out well. But when Garcel used to ask those questions, just like you said, there are rumors floating around, just like Bose said, interconfessional. She would do that in front of the group. Let's talk about the rumors.

Let's talk about what's going on. I saw a picture this morning. Did you see that picture? What do you think about it? You're going out on dates. Why are you not telling us? Garcel would have said that. No one else says that because either they don't care or they're bowing down to the throne

of Kyle. That's really all we're getting. And that's kind of where we found ourselves. That's all we really have to look forward to is good confession. And I remember having that complaint two, three years ago that they had so many good quips. They had so many good comments, but it was two weeks later when they're filming their confessionals. It does us no good because it doesn't further a storyline.

This is a storyline that does not need to get further, but we do need to just tie a bow on it. We do need to at least get some information before Kyle just gets exasperated and moves on with her life because she doesn't answer questions. But if you get her to answer a couple, she's going to be done for three episodes. So at least hold her feet to the fire once. If you're going to keep asking her who she's dating every event that you guys have, then ask her again, ask her a more pointing question. So I don't understand what they're doing.

And like you said, the rest of it is three and Kyle, everything that Kyle says, wrong. What the rest of the group says? Right. You guys got my back. Then Kyle gets frustrated. Well, maybe PK is not a piece of shit entirely. Let's give them a little bit of benefit of the doubt. No, we're not doing that.

We know where you stand with PK. Agreed, but again, like, Doreet, you, you stiff-armed her other sympathies. Like, she was doing a good job, actually. Yep. And then you stiff-armed her because you're trying to start shit because you don't know how to do this very well. And then it leads to Kyle saying, well, we don't really know. It's like if you had just accepted the hug, which you did, but then when she pulled back and was giving very sound advice, by the way, that makes total sense. You know what?

Yep. This is a tough thing to navigate. Why don't you meet in the middle? You know, meet in the middle. just fucking make a concession for P.K. So he shuts the hell up. He's probably not going to show up anyway and say, fine.

You can come down there and stay in a hotel. Okay, Kyle, you really think I'm going to bleb, bleb, blah, blah. Shut up. Because then the rest of the ladies say the same thing. And you go, that's a great idea. So it's just fake. It's not, I am over the Kyle versus Dorit shit. Derreet is trying to make fetch happen two years in a row.

You had your chance. You fucking. fumbled. You're off to a great start. And then we had that bizarre episode at your house with the pool party where you had the shrine to PK on the fucking entryway table. So you lost this one. And it's fine. But we're hoping for some rebuilding. Kyle, Kyle did what we've been waiting for her to do. Make a fucking move. Take a step. She did it in a very genuine way. She felt bad for you and hugged you and consoled you and then you got mad at her. And then she clapped back. Shit happens. But that in any other scenario, I'd be like, great, shit's popping off.

But now I'm like, no, I don't need to see Doreet and Kyle fighting again because Doret's trying to press the issue. That's annoying. And it's boring. It is very boring. And we do finally get, I don't know, do you want to call it closure at the end of this? I don't know what to call this at the end of the episode with her and Erica. It's not. No, it's just, it's confirmation without saying like, yes, I dated Morgan,

Wade. Yeah. And like, we know. We understand. This is not a riveting scene. And I have an even bigger problem with it, too, because of the way that the discourse is going, not with people online, but watch what happens live right after which, you know, you made a great video about what happens live starting right after. I don't want to watch this, especially when it's Doreet talking. Andy asked her, like, how big was that that Kyle did that? Would she have done herself favors if she had just done that in the beginning? Doret was praising her for it. She's like, Absolutely. I'm happy that she finally opened up. I'm really excited that she's actually confirmed all of this. I'm not. Like, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. We know what happened. I actually didn't need her to confirm it. I don't want her to confirm it because all I'm getting from this is I had to sit down with Erica. Maybe we have a sit down next week where Erica is sitting with Doree. Hey, give her a little bit of leeway. Maybe she's sitting with Bose. I don't know. Give her a little bit of leeway. I did have a conversation with her. She is opening up a little bit, but she can't open up too much. So let's just, you know, pump the brakes here. That's a lot. what I'm expecting to happen or we just don't talk about it and we just keep doing the same

thing. But it's nothing in between. There's no other option here for me. No. And to make this that big like, oh my gosh, you finally admitted it. No, we know. We've known. We have done been known. And that's where that would be the equivalent of like if our listener, if you're one of our listeners that has been here for like four years like you've been here from the start, that'd be the equivalent of me being like, hey guys, I need to tell you something. I, I, I'm an alcoholic and expecting praise for like, it's the first time I've admitted that to you. Like, it's not news.

It's not newsworthy. We know. Now, if this is her showing like, hey, I'm going to be taking some steps forward a little bit more this season. Okay, fine. I can get on board with that. I'm not trying to rip the whole scene apart.

It's just it was set up and the music and the Erica Jane confessionals where it's like, oh my God, we finally know. We did know, guys, this was a waste of five minutes at the end of the episode. Nice job. I also thought this was a 54-minute episode when I paused it right before. Because I expected the whole episode to just end at the end of Tilly's party. I'm like, okay, that's a pretty good ending, whatever we can move on.

Nope, we've got Erica pulling up to Kyle's house. I check, I'm like, this has to be a 54-minute episode, right? This feels so long. It's not. And that just tells you where everything you need to know. that you need to know. Well, I think the first 20 minutes of this recap tells everything. All we did was tell you what happened.

And then they go here. Very good point. They said this. And not until Amanda enters. Do we have anything to discuss? So. Absolutely. Because we're playing catch up, we don't have questions.

But we will get back to questions this week. We're just trying to get everything out. So we can be up to speed for all of you. So stay tuned. If you have questions, even if they're predated questions. If you have shit from this episode, just write it down and save it.

You can ask us whatever next week or when we do this week's episode of Beverly Hills. But we have to do Potomac right after this. So that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Well, that's our show. And we're fine.

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