Bros & Shows - RHOBH Stinks and So Did The Finale (RHOBH Full Recap +WWHL)

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

What's up Bros? What an underwhelming finale for an underwhelming season. We don't know what the next steps for this show are, but changes need to be made. We started this recap going over Erika and Boz's appearance on WWHL. It was not great to say the least and some interesting shots were taken. Maybe more happens at the reunion that leads to this? Then in this episode, we pick up on the boat. Sutton removes herself from the conversation but notably both Garcelle and Kyle didn't speak up on her behalf. Tilly tells the group that Sutton felt as though the attack was premeditated. Erika feels justified in her voicing her opinions to Sutton, and we agree. What we didn't need was Dorit piggybacking on everything she said. Garcelle and Tilly both point out Sutton's desire to be besties with Kyle. It appears like the blind loyalty that Sutton has for Kyle is starting to wear thin on Garcelle. Even so, Garcelle calls out Kyle for not supporting Sutton. Kyle feels blindsided by it but her lack of awareness with the Sutton situation is a bit confusing. After a decent Tilly impression by Kyle, Erika and Dorit decide to do an insulting rendition of a southern accent towards Sutton who was simply sitting there quietly. Boz takes Sutton for some 1 on 1 time where Sutton ALMOST has an epiphany... The ladies dress up for a Carnivale dinner where Erika says she would like to be able to move forward with Sutton. We get the usual summary of where everyones at now and then it ends with a one month later about Erika. Making it crystal clear that not every season of every show needs an after credits scene. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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October 29th to November 2nd details and tickets at festival Festival of Authors.C.A. I was hoping the finale would save the season. I was hoping it would end on a high note. Give us something to look forward to for next year, you know. Give us a little bit of hope. It did none of us. I didn't know this was the finale.

There was, I swear to God last week when they did the next week on Beverly Hills, they didn't say on the finale of Beverly Hills. I will hold on to that. I am not going to go back and rewatch because I don't care that much. I had no indication that this was the finale. until I halfway through the episode felt like it was the finale. You got the inkling. It was a finale.

I didn't know until I was on Instagram and something popped up. Last night, the Beverly Hills finale was like, what? Shows and Shows. I got to have me my Bros and Shows. Bros and shows. Brows and shows. I got to have me my Bros. Shows and Shores.

Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bros. And shows, I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only. finale McGee what's up dude not a whole lot i mean we just talked about how we didn't even know it was the finale and there were strong indicators of this episode you know usually when they show the side by side panel of what the people are up to now you realize holy shit is this the finale but not only that i felt like all the chatter because we never watched these episodes live for the most part all the chatter that i saw today was about the reunion trailer and that is a

strong indicator of a nothing episode because no one was talking about this episode. There was no scenes or, you know, some people will do the clips that look like memes where they have the dialogue going underneath. It looks really fun. None of that. It's all about the reunion. So I was not excited even going into this episode and even less excited when I found out it was the finale.

It was lackluster. It was, I mean, lackluster is a nice way to put it. It was just boring. I mean, it kind of embodied the entire season. We were trying to find silver linings along the way, find things that we intend. enjoyed overall is an overwhelming season and then you end it like this

I have so many questions about the future of this show what they're planning on doing with this show given the news that Garcel is leaving like there's a lot of question marks I don't even know which way you go after this like what do we talk about next year like what carryover do Dorit and Sutton I'm good I don't need to talk about that

anymore like no path forward do they possibly have here I have no idea with path forward i didn't know what path forward they had with garcel bo's is a great addition i thought that she really showed out in the finale she she gave me a lot of hope for the group as a whole and if she can lead the group to greener pastures i'm all for it but i don't know what they do i really don't know what they do i think this was you know the finale's over we can say it it was a boring season there was nothing to go off of and there was so much promise before the season as there typically is

Kyle and Derreet is this going to be fun and it was fun for the most part for like three episodes and then it wasn't fun because they made up and then it was just Sutton against everybody Sutton against Durit Erica showed up towards the end when her interior design was over I don't know it's just one of those seasons that no one's going to talk about ever again no one's going to go back and rewatch it wasn't terrible it wasn't like Beverly Hill seasons of the past where we felt like they went on for too long they felt like it cut it like they cut it short I think for sure because Because we barely even went back to Beverly Hills afterwards. Usually they don't end it on a cast trip like this. Yeah, no, maybe they had extra footage and they whacked it. I don't know what happened, but this was, this was a bad finale. Like, you can say the season was whatever, ho-hum, it was more bad than good. But it was, it wasn't a season where I was constantly on my phone the whole time.

Yeah. This finale, I had to stop and rewind because I realized I wasn't paying attention multiple times. That's a bad sign. Yeah, that's a really bad sign. you know what's actually interesting though I left that water bottle at your house I need to come get that tomorrow that's more fun than this episode

oh you've washed it for me yeah I didn't I've washed it for you your baby watched it for me yeah Scotty washed the bottle because she's already so fast I know it happens quick it happens so fast but because of the

lack of substance in this episode I thought that it would be a good idea we both watched watch what happens live with Bose and Erica Jane. And it was an interesting episode. It was an interesting episode to say the least. I didn't love the vibe from either of them.

It was a new side of Bose that I hadn't really seen yet. Erica got reactivated, I guess, someone. Maybe it was the finale. What we got between that and then this watch what happens live appearance, the vibe that I got from the finale and then that was similar to like two years ago when we got a lot of mean girl shit. a lot of insults for no reasons people taking like cheap shots i didn't love it i didn't understand it i was like this is such a weird route to take at this juncture so what were

your takeaways watching watch what happens live so i mean i was disappointed to both because i thought that she took a step in the right direction this episode and i'm not saying that sudden is somebody that like the the audience or us or any anybody in the cast really needs to get behind because she obviously has her shortcomings and she got called out for her shortcomings you can't play the victim in this point because you've done things so I don't believe that you need to immediately just get behind her, but I thought that Bose took a step in the right direction by having a one-on-one with her, by trying to get to know her,

which is something that I've been talking about the whole season with Bose as a newcomer. For somebody who has a really strong presence coming on to a show like this, that really had no direction, I think she helped a lot. And I think that she put herself in a great position. And then watching, watch what happens live last night, I felt like she negated almost all of that because it looked like she was just falling into the same circle of, yeah, you know what? Like, I might be a bit of a leader for this group, but I'm not going to be unbiased.

I'm going to be just like Erica. I'm going to be just like Kyle. I'm going to be just like Doree. And that's not what she showed us this whole season. So it was definitely a little bit. I was a little taken back from it. And I'll have to see, obviously, how the reunion plays out. And we'll see how next season goes.

Because I'm sure it's pretty much going to be the same people minus Garcel. I don't know what they're going to do. They're going to bring somebody. They'll bring somebody in. I don't know. I just don't know what they do. But for Bose in particular, I was. disappointed for Erica, I was actually a little heightened.

I was excited a little bit more because she just thought it was something. But that's Erica though. Like being mean is Erica. And if she's going to be Erica and she's going to be mean, that's way better than what we got for the, you know, 80% of the season. I'll take that over what we got. I agree with that to a certain extent. But for me, it felt like forced and like they both fell into this, this trance of like

they thought they were the coolest kids in the room, like the way they're going back and forth with each other. They're making jokes that nobody laughed at and then they were laughing at it. They were feeding off each other's energy like saying mean shit about Sutton and what I liked about Bose for the entirety of the season was even when she didn't get along with people

she didn't take random shots of people. And this could be a product of the reunion. Like we don't know what's going to go down there. Obviously some shit pops off with Erica and with Garcel and I'm not sure what else that leads to Garcel walking off the set but it could be stemming

from that. I'm not entirely sure, but what I don't need in my life and what I'm I'm really hoping is not starting up again. Not that it ever left. This had a lot of Fox Force five vibes to it. I'm so over that bullshit and I'm so over the clicks on this show and we'll get into it more when we start to talk about the actual episode itself. But that's my biggest takeaway, my biggest fear after watching how this episode ended and then watching this watch what happens live appearance. I feel like we're reverting. back to that and that was when this show was at its absolute worst so i don't want that of course ryan loves the fox force five no surprise the thing about the fox force five is i think if you had just them you isolate just them on a show it could be interesting because they do have to turn on each other now there is obviously the chance that they don't turn on each other and it is a very very boring product of watching losers live in beverly hills and think that they're the best things in the world. But if they turn on each other, that would be great because they're all heavyweights. And we didn't see a lot of that because we had people like Sutton and Crystal, Garcel,

who never really gave a fuck too much. But people that were on the outside of the Fox Force Five were always victims of their wrath. And that got so boring to watch. That got so annoying. And we didn't want to watch it anymore after watching all of that. So getting rid of Rinna kind of helped a little bit, but you can see that there's still so many remnants of that. And these women just click up. And then they just take people out. And again, I'm not making excuses for a sudden. She puts her foot in her mouth and she says dumb shit all the time. And then she gives fake apologies.

So you do have to stand there and take it when people are coming after you. And you have to be able to fight back. And she's incapable of doing that. And that just goes to show you that they do not have the right setup for this cast. Yeah, I agree. They're missing some key components. I think people are too comfortable. I think that people are too set in their ways.

I think we're getting repeat products now every year. And like, yeah, they lightened up a little bit. this season, but it's still, as soon as Dorit and Kyle seem to bury the hatchet, and we start to move forward from that a little bit, and then Sutton does something dumb, as she tends to do, and then bam, everyone pile up on Sutton, there's nothing else to talk about, no one else is taking center stage, and we just run through this same bullshit that we've done, I don't know, three seasons, four seasons of this, like, I'm good. We need different directions.

I agree with you, Bose was a great addition, despite her watch what happens live appearance. She's still great for the show. I think she's going to come back and have a great season next year. Just recently bias, I feel like I'm not like, I'm not negging her too much. I'm not putting her down like on the totem pole or anything like that. It was just a little disheartening to see that last night because you get a glimpse of what it could be and I don't like what it could be. If that's the vibe next season, I'm going to be out.

Like I can't watch a bunch of mean girls shit for an entire year again. I think it's so played out and boring. But why don't we jump into this episode? And before we do, I think we created a monster because Adam, for those you that don't know at home, we have our members in here with us today. We're live streaming to them. They're interacting with us this whole time. So if you want to join the fun next week, we do it once a week, live streams, join our members program.

You can go to the bros. Dot memberful.com or click the link in our Instagram bio. It's $5 for the month, $50 for the year. Now, back to what I was saying, I think we created a monster because Adam, Adam sparks here. his first time in with us. And he said, I finally get to see Ryan live in an action. So we have now made Ryan a mainstay.

So you're welcome, Ryan. He's a household name in the bro's brand. Yep. Who to thunk it. Who to thunk Tamer's biggest fan, right? You're welcome, Ryan. But let's get consistent. Being a Fox Force 5 fan and being a Tamer fan makes a lot of sense for me.

Yeah. Look, we love you, Ryan. You know this. It's all in good fun, but Yeah, he's consistent. He is consistent, and we like consistency around here. Well, let's jump into this episode, and we start out. We're still on the boat. We're in like this island lagoon thing.

I'm not really sure what you call that body of water, but you get Tilly and Sutton. And Tilly's not surprised. And I like Tilly in confessionals because she tells you what she really thinks. And most of the time, it's a little bit more neutral than it is like ride or die for Sutton. because in this moment, she's like, yeah, I'm not surprised Eric is being critical because I see both sides. Like, yes, Eric is being really mean and people are knocking Sutton down. But at the same time, Sutton's really volatile. And she starts a lot of shit and she says a lot of stupid things.

So. Yeah, and I'm okay with that too. And on the heels of our conversation last week about how everybody seems to go to their confessionals to speak the truth and won't speak up in the moment. I'm okay with Tilly not defending Sutton because that is just it's not a good thing. And this will be a big component of this episode talking about, you know, do people need to step in and defend her? She gets defended all the time. No, let her fight for herself for once. And that's okay.

Tilly, not very close with the rest of these women. I'm okay with it because I know where she's coming from with the neutrality and understanding both sides. Because that's how we feel when we look at it. Like, yeah, Sutton does need to fend for herself. And she did have this coming. This isn't like a malicious gang up that was premeditated or anything like that, which is another thing that we had to talk about. It was just Sutton getting her comeuppance.

And I'm not going to step up and tell her that in the moment. I'm just going to be here as a friend because that makes the most sense. And that's a logical move of them. I agree. And yes, it was tight. Here's the thing. There's a fine line for me at least between you deserve this. You brought this on yourself.

And then it gets to a certain point. It's like, and done. Like you got it. We got it. Let's move on from this. Let's not keep hammering the same shit home, which is. That's the thing. she gets hammered home all the time

and it's like, all right, we get the point and they're reacting to her reacting to getting hammered. That's really what it is. So we don't have to keep doing this. It's just a carousel. Get your point across. You know how she's going to react. You don't have to further the point. It's okay. Just leave it there. She'll figure it out.

Yeah. No, I agree. I think that at a certain point, yes, she has to stand in her own two feet. But once the points across, once you see her getting buried, we see this across the board on how swipe shows. People cross that line all the time and it's fast like how fast they reel it in once they recognize that they've gone too far like in roney when they were uh on that one trip and they all ganged up on errand and everyone's going after her and all of a sudden it was like oh shit we got to stop that was too

much we saw it on the bus with brittany and ross lick this happens frequently but most of the time people get the temperature and they're like and we're good now sorry you deserved it but let's move on they don't do that with sutton and i'm not saying she doesn't deserve the um-uppance but they tend to not relent when it comes to her and that's that's something i get the frustration because she does the same thing where she goes in the the continuation of i'm going to apologize for this and then i'm going to go back to doing the same thing like she never actually learns from her mistakes if you want to call them that which you know these women will call the mistakes and a lot of them in our eyes are mistakes like just don't say things like that don't

react that way that's fine and i get the frustration i understand it but they need to understand us as an audience, we're not going to just sit here and enjoy watching you go after the same person every time, regardless if she deserves it. We're not going to sit here. I don't care if it's O.C. And Tamara's being a lunatic and being an asshole to everybody. She never gets her comeuppance. But if she did, I'm telling you, after a season or two of watching it, we would sit here and say, lay off her alone. Who cares? It's just not fun to watch anymore. It's not entertainment. And that's what you guys are supposed to be providing us, not whatever this is. Yeah, entertain me.

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Learn more at SAP.com slash uncertainty. But we move on from there, and you get Bose, and she's planning a little birthday dinner for Erica Jane and for Doreet with the famous newbie line. We're just going to have some fun, no stress tonight, like these girls blew it all out of proportion.

It's time to reel it in. It never works, ever. Every newbie that's ever been on Real Housewives in any show is like, this one's gonna be different it's like no it's not we always hold out hope for the newbie that's gonna be like yeah i know how these go it's not gonna go well and i'm just gonna plan for it so i can't wait like i need a newbie to decorate the table with sockum boppers remember those that would be funny it's like hey i figured this is going to go south so i gave you guys some uh some safe boxing gloves

rock i'm sock is that what it is more fun than a pillow fight yeah yeah yeah see no Sockham Boppers You crossed I thought it was Rockam-Sockham. You crossed Rockham-Sockham robots with Sockham Oh, I did. Yeah, good call. Yeah, which there might be something there too, by the way.

Just saying. Let's put that one in the think tank. Trademark. Oh, yeah, that's an official trademark. That's how you do it, everybody. If you don't know how to trademark. We're not writing Disney. No.

You're doing a trademark. Trademark or copyright. Copyright. yeah there you got it nice or registered trademark yeah there you go still going no okay cool no everyone's getting ready and this is the thing with erika too okay you get multiple stories as far as how she's feeling about something and i picked up on it i don't think i've ever picked up on it in the past but i really picked up on it here because i used to be like oh she's pretty up and up like she might be a little bit brash but she usually tells like it is

this moment she's saying i think i'm right i have no ill will against sutton by the way i want to be able to move on with her but i also want to be able to say my peace and get it out there and it's like that's fair that's reasonable you should be allowed to the whole sisterhood the whole sisterhood speech was about being able to have these discussions instead of allowing them to blow out like get blown away out of proportion so that i agree with the vibe later is much more like Sutton always does this shit it's time that she knows and it's time that we said her right

and it's like well what happened to like the middle ground of like I want to be cool with you but I need to tell you something well she says the same thing on watch what happens live too and I can see I think one of the questions was will Sutton ever be or have a good friendship with Erica and Derreet

no I don't think so I just think that they're way too different they will never be friends but Erica and Sutton can be friends in some ways they just need to Erica needs consistency from Sutton which I agree with that's fair and i do think that uh sutton's going to need erika to not be as critical towards her and i think they can potentially get there at some point i'm just going to completely lose interest in this but that was one of my favorite things when we first started our show

was saying that these two should be friends and it made a lot of sense we're slowly getting there but every time we take like four or five steps forward we take 10 steps back so i don't know where we are right now i'm not keeping track we'll get there eventually yeah and i just i don't know Erica started off good for me. You know, after the whole season of the interior design, this is her best episode. I'm like, this is good.

I like what you're doing right now. And then she started to say things about that that I just simply disagreed with. And I didn't understand where she was coming from. This was the start of that. But I'm still, again, I'm still on Erica's side. I'm like, yeah, that's fair. You got your shit out. Like, good.

Go for it. Yep. Yep. But while they're still getting ready, Tilly brings up the point that the attack on the boat earlier felt a little bit, a little bit planned, maybe a little bit premeditated. And I, I think there's levels to saying quote unquote premeditated and we'll get into that in a little bit, but she's suspicious of the group's intent, what they were trying to do on that

boat. But before we get there, yeah, Garcel and Sutton, and you can tell Garcel, especially by the end of this episode, she's fed up with the Kyle shit when it comes to Sutton. And I think that comes from taking it personally, which. by all means, I would too. It's like, I ride or die for you every day, all the time. You always do stupid shit. I'm always the one in your corner trying to back you up.

And at the end of the day, you're not looking at me for help. You're not looking at me saying, thank you. You're looking at Kyle and wondering where she's at. And at a certain point, if I'm your close friend and you keep cold shouldering me when I'm sticking up for you, I'm going to start to get fed up. And I think throughout this episode, you saw her get more and more like, all right, fuck it, I'm out. I'm out. she's on her own no i fully agree with that and i think that we saw that on the boat that was that was two things one of it was yeah let's see if kyle jumps in let's see if your new best

he's going to jump in and save you she didn't okay now i can point to that later and pointed out to sutton which he does and the other part of that is why am i going to hitch my wagon to this why am i going to continue to do this and i think it's i think the kyle situation and looking to kyle and you know holding her up on this pedestal when you're sutton i think it's rubbed garcel the wrong way. Why would I do this continuously when I'm trying to, and I don't really believe her at the end of the episode when she says I want to like have a relationship with these ladies. I really don't believe that Garcel cares at all, not any of them. I think she's friends with Sutton. I think she can be friends, you know, approximate friends with Tilly at some point. That's fine. The rest of them, I don't think

that Garcel likes them or cares about them. So I think that was just a flat out lie. But why would she keep sticking her neck out when she gets nothing in return? She doesn't get Sutton's, sudden's gratitude at all. in these situations. She's just expected to do it. And when she doesn't do it, there's a notable absence of Garcel stepping up for Sutton. When it happens, it's like, oh, okay, we're just going to keep going at Sutton then because your guard dog's not jumping in. Like, it's just crazy. Yeah. And I, you know, I think that's a good way for Garcel to be like, all right, you're so concerned about Kyle. Let's wait for her to speak up and watch how you flound her when I'm not helping you out. Like, watch the lack of backup. This group of ladies will not relent. They're going to

keep coming after you because you don't have backup and no one's telling them to shut up they're not going to stop they feed off of each other we've seen that happen before but Sutton's big sticking point is you know we had such a great visit when we went to augusta it's like yeah you did it was lovely but you are then back in beverly hills you're around kyle with her other friends now you're not in this little bubble in augusta where it's only the three of you at the same time she's not at that place anymore where she left l.A. to escape and came to augusta you was trying to hide from the world so you really got her undivided attention which i'm sure felt great i'm sure it was like a very cathartic trip for you and your

friendship i'm sure you looked forward and like wow that's what we needed to really break this friendship to the next level it was a very it was conditional because of where you're at and because of the circumstances when you're back in l a she's going to go hang out with morgan wade she's going to go hang out with keshah she's going to like everybody but you probably because I think you're friends on the show sometimes when it's convenient for her, but this pandering after Kyle's got to stop and she says, I'm done. Like, I can't do this anymore.

You know, it's five steps forward, 10 steps back, and I'm over it. This whole group has come at me for five years. They're just trying to break me down. They always try to beat me up. And you do get a montage.

And they have come after Sutton year after year after year. But the important thing to note, Sutton's not innocent. She puts her foot in her mouth. And you get a montage of that, too. And when I'm watching these two next to each other, okay, I see where she fucks up, obviously. It's quite clear, right? But in those moments when she's messing up, I don't think that she has malicious intent.

I think she gets amped up, and I think that she doesn't have a filter. And I think that the first thing that comes to her mind, she goes and just says it. And I think that the first thing that she thinks of is usually pretty mean. Then she says it, and then she stands by it because she doesn't know how to, like, stop in the moment. Isn't that malicious intent? Or doesn't that just make you not that great of a person? But I don't think it's because I agree with you. I know, but I agree with you.

I think she does not have a filter. And I think the first thing that pops into her head is something bad. And that's not a good thing. That doesn't make you a good person. And that's the thing that I disagree with where people say, like, I don't think she's going after her maliciously. I'm like, okay. But still, the first thing that she thinks of is probably the. the meanest thing that's in her mind. Why is that coming up first? Why is she, why is she have

so much animosity towards one person when they say something to it rubs her the wrong way? That's what I don't really understand. But the Kyle Sutton is like, it's just, it's fucking embarrassing. It's tough to watch. And I know that she has this whole, you know, I can't sit at the popular kids table and whatever. I think there's more there. It's a fucking high school trope. I think there's a lot more there. I think the Kyle, I think the Kyle, the longing for Kyle's friendship is very simple. I think she wants to be accepted by the popular kids. I think that's what it is.

And I think that's embarrassing as shit for anybody of any age over like 17. I don't think you can say that. I don't think you can say that. Only because those kinds of like that feeling of wanting to belong, especially if you're in a social lifestyle like they are, I don't think, I think if you were like nerdy growing up and you didn't have a lot of friends in high school, he didn't have a lot of friends in college. She doesn't have a lot of friends outside of it.

Garcell and Tilly are the only. friends that we really know she's like super tight with i don't think that feeling of i want to belong ever goes away and i do think there's better ways to handle it of course i don't think you need to lash out and say stupid shit to other people and mean things to other people just to get your point across i don't think that's conducive to getting friendships at the same time i think the driving factor of why she gets so instantly defensive is because once again she feels like she's on the outside looking in she's not part of the cool crowd she remembers what that felt like back in the day and she lashes out.

I understand it. I think it's, yeah, maybe it's more normal. Maybe I'm putting people down who do that. That's fine, whatever. I apologize to those people. How about that? It's still embarrassing for me to watch it. I feel embarrassed.

It's secondhand embarrassment. And I think it just looks pathetic. And look, if it happens, it happens. If that's how you feel, that's how you feel. But watching it play out on screen is really tough to watch. Watching her go into a complete spiral because these women were talking about her on the boat. Yeah, you have the feeling of like we've watched a lot of these shows where you just want

to shake someone and be like, just stand up for yourself in a normal way and don't put your foot in your mouth. But human nature, it goes completely against that. I think we're just so used to watching so many of these women be able to hold their own that when somebody can't hold their own and there's so many things that you can say, it's like, come on, like, just do it. Like, I don't even feel bad for you anymore. This is just brutal to watch.

yeah i mean there that's the tough part is i there's two sides to it and again because of what she says and the thing she does it's hard to give her like all the sympathy in the world but i i do personally believe that you know that feeling of not feeling good enough or cool enough i don't know if that ever goes away especially if you're still struggling with friends but you get tilly and garcell they're also talking about the kyle stuff and it's nice that garcel has somebody to bounce this off of that will be like oh yeah i know i see that too because She wants to be friends with her so bad. And then we're on the boat.

Kyle didn't have her back on the boat. And I thought they were cool. And pretty much no matter what Sutton does. And this is the most important part. And this goes to your point. Like you would hope that at some point she would recognize this. Nothing you do is good enough. Nothing you do is going to break you into the Fox Force 5.

You're not going to be the next one up. That's okay. Your click looks like a lot more fun to hang out with. I'd much rather chill with Garcel, Tilly, and Sutton than I would Kyle Dorete, Erica, and that crew. Like, yes. But the fact that she's always pandering to them, I think, is just, it's a lost cause. I don't think you're ever going to crack that. Yeah, it's definitely a lost cause.

And again, I did like this scene because this was a real conversation between Garcel and Tilly. And I feel like Garcel, and she said in her confessionals that it's just tough to watch her pining for Kyle's friendship this whole season, last season, this season before. for Tilly to recognize that you can see the oh my god moment on Garcell's face where she's like oh my god I'm one I'm definitely right two thank you so much and three right how fucking crazy is this to watch like thank God you notice it too because I thought I was going crazy because the way that you talked to Sutton about it she just denies and says things like she had a real connection down in Augustine she thought that that was going to cross over and that one time she stood up for me that one time that meant a lot to me it's oh come on and

know what about all the times garcell stood up for you yeah i know it's just tough it's tough but we get the whole group together they're getting ready to go out and sutton's not there yet because she's feeling hurt and a little bit upset Erica starts to shift this is the moment for me where i was annoyed by oh what happened like maybe she's a little tipsy because i also thought maybe i'm watch what happens live i'm not that's an excuse ever stuck on the premeditated thing i'm like get over it yeah fuck who cares like why is that so deep but her defense is like all i did was ask a question you you all used to ask me questions we're still doing this apparently where she still feels some type of way about her treatment during the gerardy shit they are wildly different scenarios

you cannot compare what she went through with tom gerardi the earrings the lawsuits the implications You can't compare that to what is going on with Sutton. It is apples and fucking oranges. Because on one hand, the questions that were being asked, did Sutton go about it the right way? No, does she ever? No. But other people were questioning you too.

And at the same time, they're valid questions. Hey, I heard you got $20 million put into your LLC. What's that about? Hey, I heard you took the earrings back and refused to give them up that are worth $750K,000. that he bought you with stolen money. What's up with that? Hey, if you say that you're upset that people lost their lives, it's not going to be an admission of guilt.

Can you just say that you're sorry or you feel bad for them? You feel bad for people that died? Absolutely not. Like, yeah, look, Erica, we can revisit that as much as we want. She didn't do herself any favors during all of that. And I don't think that she's, I think she still feels that way. She still feels the same way that she felt during that whole situation

where she was not making any sense. And she was not, she wasn't making any excuses for herself. She was just being downright wrong about a lot of that stuff. So she did deserve some of the smoke that came her way. And that's just how it is. It's not the same situation. But she, this shift into the whole premeditated thing. And I know, like we do this a lot, especially,

fucking let that shit roll off. Like, why are you so focused on the premeditated thing? Who cares? Just saying, no. You already told us a thousand times. I just asked the question. You laugh off the premeditated thing and say, no, it wasn't premeditated. I'm not going to sit down with Doreet and talk about this.

I just wanted to ask her a question because I fell a little slated and I've been noticing a pattern. Here you go. She answered it. I feel like I got my stuff off my chest. I'm good. I don't really need to deal with this. Instead, she just got so locked on it. And I don't think it was premeditated.

I don't think that the two of them talked about it. It was Erica opened up an opportunity. And Doreet, who has done this the whole season because she's got a little bit of air under her wings. she jumped in she jumped in immediately hot shit this episode yeah she she thinks she thought she was hot shit for the last like 10 episodes but she saw a little bit of blood in the water and she went after Sutton and that's what she's been doing the whole time this wasn't like a sit down we need to act like you know first I'm going to start and I'm going to go after sudden and then you're going to jump in at the right moment like no it wasn't like that nobody actually

thinks it was like that just let it roll off you don't have to be stuck on this Erica well it's tilly's fault because she's the one that says it to the group and even when she says it it's you know she felt like it was a little bit coordinated i went who wait who said that did you say that or did sutton say that because you might be putting words in sutton's mouth that apparently is going to lead to a major major fight later and she might not have said that maybe you felt that it was and i like if i remember correctly she said it when she was in the room like sutton and garsell i didn't hear sutton reiterate that i just heard her say it again to Erica. So I was a little confused. Sutton was like

traumatized walking around. She looked like she just like, witnessed something blow up somewhere. And she was like, oh my God, where are my shoes? Where's everything at? I don't know what's going on. What are you guys doing? You're going to dinner? I don't think I can do that. I'm out of here. Like she wasn't even talking about the situation. She couldn't talk about it. No, no. But that also

that's kind of my point where if she's getting that down, clearly there's something not clicking in her head where it's like, why do they keep ganging up on me? It's like, well, you don't do yourself any favors. But I agree. they did come on not too strong too long no we're tired of watching it so i agree with her this is boring you know like turn the fucking page and it's it's hysterical to listen to dorit's confessionals throughout this because she's like something can dish it but can't take it i'm like neither can

you dude like what are you talking about like what the fuck are we doing pot calling the kettle black you're like you don't get this confessional erika could say that she could say that if you wanted to like there's multiple Garsell could say that if she wanted to Bose could say that you can't fucking say that you can't take anything you could she called you a bitch and you acted like she punched you in the teeth like you don't get to play this game it's not fun when you do it either and like the the stock I wish there was like a stock tracker I wish we could have that that would be sick for our power rankings and just have stock in like the house I know golf golf does this thing

where you can win a large sum of money at the end of the year if you were talked about the most on the internet like oh yeah yeah helpful to the game it's something it's an acronym of some kind but i wish we could do that with housewives each season like which of these housewives brought the most popularity to their show the housewives bonus yeah a little housewives bonus but we get that on it and in the beginning of the season a lot of people would be taking kyle and duret kyle and dureate if we take somebody like a little plucky underdog like sutton because we think that it's going to go the same season or the same way that all the other seasons have gone you get that for plus money i'm it you get something

somebody like Garcell, you're like, oh, she's, she's got to be way down on the list. But Gar, Sutton, or I'm sorry, Doreet, sell short. You sell short immediately. As soon as you see her getting amped up, nope, she fell off. We're pretty much after that cigarette picture, which, you know, I stopped posting because she wasn't cool anymore. Yeah, she became a losing. She's ever done.

It happened pretty fast because she got, she got way too big for her britch and she thought she was way tougher than she was. She had a great run. I mean, no one saw a three or four episode run. But after that, it was like, blue. Ooh, I remember why you're annoying now. You've done it again. Well done.

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But before Sutton joins the rest of the group, we get Garcell calling out Kyle, which I loved, and also undeservedly so for Sutton. Garcel doesn't owe this to Sutton based on, like, the conversation they had earlier. I didn't think she did it for Sutton. I think she did it to go to Kyle. I think she enjoys poking Kyle. I don't think she really likes Kyle. I don't think she trusts Kyle.

And that's fair. And I wouldn't disagree with her there. But I don't think this was like, I need to stick up for my friend Sutton because she's shown that she's not doing that as much anymore. I think this was purely just to poke at Kyle. Like, hey, I'm fed up with Kyle. Yeah.

That's fair, though. Like, we don't get the pusher that much because every time that we do, it's like the end. Fucking Andy couldn't do it at the reunion. He was trying to press about Morgan. And she's like, I'm not talking about that. It's like, that's what you signed up for. So maybe Garcel just got to her wits in where she's like, fuck this. Like, Sutton's expecting blind loyalty out of you.

And she's like, blind loyalty. Like, what the fuck? Like, is everybody okay? And she's like, not blind loyalty, but loyalty. And that for me was frustrating from Kyle. It's like, you know what she means. You know what she means, right? Let me get stuck on semantics all the time.

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Forget the guests. Our anniversary is coming up. We can use these. Deal so good, everyone approves. Only at HomeSense. Sutton joins the crew and Tilly walks up and says to her when I walked into the room, it felt like we got a little bit ambushed. And she's like, what do you? What? She's like, yeah, you know, I said that you were upset and something's like, why?

Like, why did you, why did you offer up information? And she has no intention of joining the party. She's trying to just like stay to the side. And Kyle, again, this is my issue with Kyle. I understand Sutton didn't perform well on the boat. I understand that you want to give Sutton some shit. I think that it's warranted. That's fine.

Time and place, because when she goes up to her, she's like, Hey, and Sutton's like, I'm fine. She's like, Garcel told me that I don't defend you.

And, you know, that wasn't my problem at the table. That was Erica and Derreet's problem with you. So I just stepped back. Everyone else stepped back, too. So, like, I don't understand why I'm catching shit for this.

It's like, do you want to sit down and have this conversation? She's like, no, I don't even want to do this. I'm like, then you're missing the point. I don't think it's Kyle's fault. I don't think it's Kyle's problem to deal with at all. Look, it just be nice. I'm not saying it's her problem. She can be a nice story about it.

That's my question. Yeah, I think that she gets so triggered and activated as soon as people are like, what are you doing? You're doing something wrong. And that's just how Kyle is. But I think in this moment, I don't think she really owes that much allegiance to Sutton. why, just because Sutton wants to be your friend really bad. So I don't think, that's why I kind of go back to what Garcel was, when Garcel brought this up to Kyle, it wasn't to defend Sutton.

It wasn't to wake Kyle up and say, hey, what are you doing? This is one of your best friends. You need to defend her at all costs, just like I do. I think it was just to piss her off. I think it was just to get her spiraling a little bit because she knew, Garcel knew what she was going to do in this moment. And Kyle having this conversation, again, just, oh, Sutton, really any of that. I don't think she always.

Yeah, I do. I don't think you need to go out of your way when she's visibly upset and say some like, well, Kyle's going to make it about off color shit. That's my point. You don't have to talk to her. I'm not saying that someone needs to go pick her up right now. She put herself in this spot. She can sit over there and sulk all she wants.

I just don't feel it necessary to like go over there and like throw salt in the wound. That I don't get. Like just leave it. Yeah, throwing salt in the wound. Yeah, throwing salt in the wound, I don't understand it. And again, like, we watched last season. We know how Sutton handled the Morgan Wade situation, the Moe situation. We know because we get to watch Garcel and Sutton sit down and talk about Kyle's relationship behind your back.

We know how that goes. And again, just because Sutton wants to be friends with Kyle doesn't mean that Kyle has to reciprocate in any way. No, she doesn't really feel like it, especially the way the Sutton treated her last year. So yeah, you don't have to back into that. You don't have to jump out and do this. But you also don't have to get super offended and go right to Sutton. You can make that a Garcell problem. You can have it out with Garcell in that moment and say,

Why the fuck do I have to stand up for Sutton after what she did to me? Or why do I have to stand up for Sutton at all? Like, this doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. We're friends, but she's done stupid shit. She needs to be able to face the music. Like that would be a normal response. But going to the sort, or not even the source, going to the person here and saying, why do you want me to stand up for you so bad?

Sutton didn't really say that to Garcel. These are just feelings that Garcel has about what Sutton wants. Yes, Sutton does want that because she was so excited to see it that one time. but it doesn't mean that you need to go then skewer her. That's all that's my only point. But that's a Kyle situation, yeah. Yeah. And, you know,

she's trying to get it out of her like, do you agree with Erica and Doreet where I kick women when they're down and the women in this group? And it's like, Sutton, it's hard to argue against it. And again, maybe it's not malicious intent.

But if we would like go through the evidence over the past few years, there's a pattern there. We said that last week when it was brought up. It's like, yeah, I mean, there's evidence like we're watching it. we've seen it so yeah you're not at your best when other people are at their worst and i think

that again psychology hat i think if you look at it from she wants to be that person for everybody and the minute that she's not leaned on after offering it she feels some type of way and then she lashes out that being said just because you offer it up doesn't mean that someone's going to lean on you they're going to lean on their closest friends like durie right he said hey i got you're back here you can't actually expect her to be like first person to call a sutton and i feel like when she didn't call sutton and sutton found out that she was going through it and she didn't talk to her about it i think she gets defensive because she's not that person and that goes all the way back to her feeling like she's left out and not part of the crew i think it's all encompassing

not an excuse but i could see how that would kind of drive some of these scenes that we get from where it's like whoa where the fuck did this come from it's like oh you feel like you were ignored again but again they don't owe you that kyle doesn't owe you that but you seem to think she does and the final thing like i said is kyle also doesn't need to go over there and just think me that's my whole point but yeah but sudden starts crying and you know walks away that's where she says i just want to be a barbie tonight like i don't know what that means and i thought again is that alluding to the cool girls like they're barbies you just want to be one of them tonight and i didn't think that until she makes the IQ comment i'm like okay you're talking about them you want to be

Like, them tonight is what you're saying. Let me walk around. Ignore me. I don't care. Pretend like I don't have 140 IQ. And I was like, that's the, that's it. I like that she's, yeah, like that comment is just, that's, that's you. And that's why, right?

It's such a small sample size, but it's like that little dig that you took at everybody while nobody's around, these are the moments that get you in trouble. Yeah. Luckily, she said it to, to Kathy Hilton, who in her brain, she's still in. You are a makeup chair. She's still in the makeup chair, getting her makeup done. Now, she has no idea what's going on. She just wants you to think she has no idea what's going on.

She knows exactly what. I'm not, I'm not following for that shit anymore. I'm on to her. I agree that it's a schick, but I do also think that she spaces out for like a half an hour, 45 minutes in her own brain. And then she'll pop back in and be like,

oh, yeah, I know what's going on. Let me check in and I'm good. Let me take the 10-inch of the room and I'm back out. But you got Erica and Doreet, and they're still talking. about yeah i don't like that she thinks that we're conspiring against her because like that's not what we're doing and fucking dureate again she's like because that's what sutton does that's what sutton does so she's trying to make it sound like that's what we do like you do do that you do

it later you guys literally sit and talk about that you're going to bring the issue to sutton later so don't act like you don't do it because you are doing it i don't think i don't think you did it on the boat but you do it pretty often i mean sudden and garcell do it too they You all do it. Everybody on all of these shows, does it? We get those scenes where the two of you will sit down one-on-one and talk about what's hot, what's hot in the group. Let's bring it up.

Next time we go to a group date, guess what's going to happen? We're all going to talk about it, and it's going to start with the two of us. So, yes, you are conspiring, and it does happen. It's how it happens on all of these shows. Again, you didn't do it on the boat. That was just an opportunity for Doree to jump in. Otherwise, yeah, you do it. And they do it, and they do it, and they do it, and they all do it.

it's part of it so for them to be locked in on this part it's like how dare she it's like you're fucking doing what she said you were doing right now it gets to a point where it's just fully hypocritical yeah but that's that's what robha does better than any other show it which is tough to say because housewives in general tend to be hypocritical this crew takes it to a whole different level but at the dinner table we get an impression from kyle not bad not terrible for tilly I was like that's pretty good till he laughs here comes the this is my point okay and I know I've been harping on a lot tonight this is mean this is unnecessary Sutton's not talking and both Derreet and Erica Jane do there's no other way to put it like an offensive

southern accent to make her sound like oh I'm set and blah blah it's like you don't have to do that because you guys feel like because Jennifer Tilly said that you guys conspired. You're now taking it out on Sutton who is not talking at the dinner. There's like, if it came up, if she made some snide comment blew you off after everything that happened and she's still being like that,

tee off on her. Go get him. Yeah, if she's still trying to fight back and again, like Sutton does fight back in some way, shape, or form, at least on the boat, if she's still poking at you guys and she doesn't understand the gravity of the situation and now she's talking to other people about what Eric is doing, I

get it. It's just the game is stupid game housewife games never go well they just want these dinners this wasn't premeditated this came out of nowhere she's already down like what's the point what are you getting out of it even if you're like you play dumb afterwards and you think

hey i was just trying to lighten the mood with a little joke maybe i thought she thought it was funny we all know that you knew that she wasn't going to find it funny you could have just moved on to the next erika could have done and by the way the game was one person does an impression not two people Doreet, we don't need you. If Eric had just did it alone, fine.

It would have been fine. The Dorete chimed in. We don't need both of you. You're not teaming up, and that's what Dorete does, and Doreet always does. She needs a little friend. She needs to be a friend to somebody. I got to latch on to this person and we can do these two things together. She's a piggybacker.

She is a piggybacker. That's a really good way to put it. Doree, she hops on. She is a huge piggybacker. But, like, we didn't need it. It's just unnecessary. And again, we agree. She does deserve what she got in the beginning of the episode.

than the last episode. Fine. Great, whatever. We don't need this. This is when it just gets annoying and boring and stupid. That's all of it. Agreed. And that's, it's hard to frame it in a way where it's like, I know it sounds like I'm defending Sutton. I'm really not. It's just at a certain point. That's why I keep putting that in there. I know. Like, hey, by the way, we're not fighting for Sutton right. No, it's just at a certain point. It's like, all right. Fucking move on. This is, you can. can't come up with anything else other than the same shtick and that's the whole problem with the show is it's the same tropes yes they're all so boring they never have new stuff to talk about they just focus on the same thing for like three episodes like all right we get it you don't have to keep pushing it yeah and Ryan says steel always gives Sutton a pass I don't this is just logic bro like they do the same shit on this show over and over again year after year

they take turns it's cyclical it's dumb it's boring it's unimaginative and it shows that this crew's not showing up for work they're not ready to go bo's did she had a great season she offered so many different aspects of her life she got involved with the other housewife she had people over her house she had events she hosted a trip all of those things like multifaceted everybody else did the same shit they always do other than erika who redecorated her house for an entire season like what are we doing so you can say i'm giving a sutton pass no it's not that it's just let's get new schicks everybody sutton stop putting your foot in your mouth and then stop playing the victim kyle stop doing everything that you do dear reet you thought you had a new thing

that ran its course in two episodes because you're just not that fucking cool garcel has so much else going on she said fuck this show and walked away like i think she saw the writing on the wall she's like this show sucks now i'm getting out of here we can talk about garcel too or you want to save it until the end of the episode i don't care what we do i agree i'm fine with her walking away i don't think that the show is i don't know what sutton's going to do she won't have backup i don't know if she's even going to stay on the show knowing what's going to happen i think she might she doesn't really have that much self-awareness as we've seen but garcel leaving okay like i agree with her leaving from her terms there's not a whole lot going on here like all of these women at this point

just collecting a paycheck. Eric even said it. Do I think that Kyle's going to come back? Laps it off. Of course Kyle's going to come back. She's going to come back to the show. She's always going to be on this show. That to me just speaks to,

we're here to just collect a paycheck. We're going to go through our lives. We've done so much. They're getting paid for past performances. That's why we need to immediately enact Housewave terms. You guys are done. Term limits. You guys are out.

Campaign, figure it out. I don't care. You can have voted back in, but you're done after five years. You have to go and tell. us why you belong and why you deserve to come back because it gets played out it's it just does it simply just does but we get to the cake and sutton doesn't even eat the cake which it's kind of funny i thought and uh yeah the next day bo's i like this move as well she's like you know

what i'm going to take sutton on a little one-on-one trying to reason whether try to try to talk to her a little bit i'll calm her down maybe maybe get her to know that i'm not just flat-out team Reed. I'm just friends with the reap. But I can be team everybody. I thought this was a nice move. It was a really nice move. I actually really appreciated the move. But I thought it was completely unnecessary. This wasn't something that the producers really pushed because Bose is a newbie. Why would Bose be the one to do it? The producers, if anything, the producers would push Kyle and Sutton going to do this in the middle of everything. But it was Bose. And I think this was Bose's idea because she even said in her confessional, I feel like I haven't really had a chance to get to know Sutton. I've only had

you know a couple of unfortunate encounters here and there and then hearing things from other people and watched her completely drown in front of the group let me get a little one-on-one time with her see what she's about and i think sutton actually appreciated it which was good she seemed happy going into it thought she was going to be dreading it so i think this was nice we didn't get a whole lot of this scene of course because i'm sure not a lot of happens but no i still thought it was good sentiment yeah i thought it was nice and it also speaks to what we've seen from bows throughout the season where it's like she will form her own opinion about people yeah which is why i think watch what happens live bothered me so much because it's like oh it sounds like you're just agreeing

with everything erika says and the bows that we saw all season you you form your own opinions about people so maybe that was part of i don't know and again maybe the reunion is so bad could have changed something yeah yeah and i'll i will retract whatever statements made if it's like all right well that's why she's so mad at sutton and the rest okay fine like i can agree with that but given what we've seen so far it's like this is it was a weird shift there but during the sutton and both scenes she's like hey what's your thoughts on last night and sutton's like you know eric and i have had a lot of discussions we've been getting along great and then this comes out of nowhere and boz was like well she said it to me before so you know what maybe this was a good

time for her to air it out and i was like i agree with you and i agreed with erika earlier when she was like you know when she's like there's no ill will but i wanted to say my piece. I was like, you deserve to say your piece. You put up a lot of shit. And if you want to get this off your chest, go for it. Again, Doreet's the one that jumps in and makes it stupid. I thought Erica was founded in the things that she was saying. And I think that Bo's reminding her of that is like, yeah, I think that because of everything she's talking about with me, at least she brought it to your face. I'm like, yeah, I agree with that. But that's when Sutton says, Kyle and Dorete did the same thing. They questioned Erica and, you know,

we get that scene from we get multiple scenes from last season where it's like making fun of tom i forgot about that when they're joking around it's like oh take the ankle whatever the fuck pk was saying yes but no yeah you know i mean yes but no i know exactly what i mean yeah so it's just it's not the same thing it's not because of your previous friendship with them that's the difference you know what i mean like erika kyle and duret especially erika and kyle were tight like they were close So when that shit went down with PK and Mo, she went to Eric and apologized for it. And Eric is like, that's cool. We're moving on.

So that's a very different setup than somebody that's trying to become friendly with somebody stepping on her toes and then being like, well, they said it too. It's like it's a different relationship. It's like, if you call me a dickhead, I'm going to laugh. If some Miranda walks up to me and calls me a dick, I'm going to be pissed. Like apples to oranges. So yes, but no. But no. But nah.

You know. But anyway, we get to Erica and Doreet. And, uh, they're doing in this exact moment what they said Sutton does because they're sitting they're going back and forth, gassing each other up about this whole premeditated thing. And it was nice to hear like, hey, she's not always an asshole, you know? We have some great times with her. It's just consistency. And I was like, that's good.

that's fair that's fair it seems like that Erica really took to that because she's even still saying it to watch what happens live and I agree with that I think that makes a lot of sense because it's not a door completely closed she didn't slam a door closed and she's not completely throwing Sutton under the bus she's just saying look this is what I was calling out and this just furthers her point of what she brought up on the boat yesterday I see what you're doing there's a trend here and this is the trend and it's completely inconsistent you apologize and then you go right back to the same thing are you actually a apologizing. I don't want to hear you apologize anymore because you're not changing behavior. So if you get to a point where it's consistent across the board, I can accept that. And I agree. And to read in this moment, you can tell that Dorete just doesn't like Sutton. And again, I've always said that's fine. You don't have to like everybody. I don't care if you like everybody. I'd actually rather you guys just admit that you're never going to be friends and just butt heads every once in a while, but stay out of each other's ways because it's annoying to watch.

Doreet's response to it is yeah but you know what like she's just going to do this all the time and she's just not a good person and she says back to the wallet comment like when she apologizes is performative and lacking sincerity I'm like you're performative and lacking sincerity idiot like that's it's the same exact thing she's just expanding on what Erica was talking about I know way more succinct I agree I agree but we get back to Bose and Sutton to end this this whole scene up and it's it's really i'm enjoying this from jr reel on the side thinking that he's serving right now this happened after that scene jr the timeline dude because after that scene with eric and darreet that's when sutton says i have to remember and i wrote it down verbatim if that's cool

don't posture you're posturing you're posturing i don't care for it she said i have to remember where both of those girls are in life. And it has to be hard to look at me. And Bo just goes, oh, girl. Yeah, dude. And I think I said that at home. I was like, oh, e-e-e. Exactly.

That's exactly what we're talking about. Stop saying shit like that, yeah. This is the problem. This is what you do to yourself, and you can't help yourself, and I get it. Why would she say that to Bose, of all people? I don't know. I have no idea. You know what the funny thing is, though, she doesn't say that.

She never says that type of stuff to Garcell. And I don't get it. Correct. Does it to like random one-offs? She'll say it to Bose who, yeah, Bose is forming her own opinion, but she already has pretty much a good allegiance with Doreet with Erica at this point because she spent a lot of time with them.

She hasn't spent a lot of time with you. You have to make a good impression. This is a real new redo of your first impression. You're having a one-on-one. Don't be an asshole. You said don't weaponize me. Yeah. So like when, and again, this is where I go back to if your first.

thing that you say is mean, you might just be a mean person because she does resort to this and you're talking to somebody who you are going to confessionals with talking about how she's allegiant to these people. Why would you say this to them? Why would you say this to both? It just doesn't make any sense. And it just goes to speak to you saying like, oh, I'm a good person. I'm a good person. You might not be when you say shit like this because because what? They're upsetting you? Like, yeah. And then when she says like, I got to take better care of. And I'm like, of what? what that's your take i didn't get it yeah yeah it was tough it was a tough look it was definitely a tough look but we get to carnival which you know big dresses feathers but i would love to

actually go to the real carnival in uh in real you ever seen that movie with the birds i love you and it's jesse isemberg right i think so i believe yeah uh but anyways carnival night i love that everybody participated i love that everybody was in thank even kathy you know she didn't the same as everybody else, but she was still in, which so I like when everyone buys it. That's a lot of fun. But we get to dinner. And I laughed immediately because they're walking down to the, I expected it to be like a restaurant or other people.

It is empty. And then you've got all of these women coming down on these crazy outfits, like sitting by themselves. Could you imagine being at that hotel and just like looking out the window? And it was fucking hysterical because when they sit at the table, the back view is just a wall of feathers. it's like a perfect box of just they're fenced in with feathers first off i wouldn't be looking out of window i'd be at the event of course you would walk you would crash the the carnival

i wouldn't i would i would have a costume for it you would do if i knew it was happening you're damn right absolutely i would look phenomenal too but i do like that erika brings it up out of the gate i always i always prefer that like if we're going to talk about shit let's just talk about it immediately and she what you do get from erica which i do enjoy is you'll get cinema mixed in a little bit. And she's like, was it you? Dude, she was like Alex coming in a traitor. That's what I got from it.

That's the vibe that I got from it. It was very traitor-esque. It also really, really spoke a lot that they did it like four times. Because they did it before the commercial break, after the commercial break. Then they showed a little montage. And then they went back to her and she did it again. Why? Why?

We just really, wasn't this home? That was her. moment and she nailed it. Was it you? It was fantastic. It was great. It was cinema, cinema all around,

but Tilly kind of owns up to it. She's just more so like, like, yeah, here's how it looked. Here's how it appeared. And like, that's how I felt. And so I was sticking up for Sutton,

whatever. And I guess Erica and Sutton had talked. I don't know why we didn't get this scene. I don't know why either. I have no clue. It's a 55 minute episode and there was like 30 minutes of filler. We couldn't get a five minute conversation between these two. That would have been important and relevant to the whole episode.

And we need to watch body language and shit. We can't just watch a one-off comment there. Like, that's so fucking frustrating. But she asked her in this conversation, Tilly said that you said this. Did you say that? And she's like, no, I didn't. And she's like, let me make this very clear. My opinion is my opinion.

That was not a coordinated attack. I agree. And you know what, Erica? If Derreet had kept her mouth shut, you probably wouldn't be here right now defending it. That's the funny part. because and that's the other thing that proves that to reach a piggybacker because in this moment or on the moment in the boat why it sounded premeditating and coordinated garcel points out it's like well she said the exact same thing that you said it's like

oh no she just doesn't have original material derit's not original so she's just throwing out whatever she heard from erika to sound cool that's what happened that's exactly what happened so yeah and garcell speaks up and was like you know what i believe you period And she goes to confessional, like, you know, I want to be able to move on in my friendships with everybody. I want to get to know everybody better. I didn't believe it for one second. And you know what?

I think it's all bullshit. I'm fine with it. Go, go off. That's how you want to end this in life? Yeah. Yeah, go do your thing. Yeah, 100%. But we get the end of the season run through.

You know, Bose learned a lot this year. Her and Keeley finally said, I love you. They're trying to get pregnant. So we wish them all the best. Sutton says that she wishes she handled the Dorete situation best. better. Kyle needs to make a tough decision with Mo. I didn't know if this was cryptic or not. It's just where we are with Kyle Richards now.

And she says anything. I'm like, what does that mean? Because she's like, I'm going to have a great life with someone. I'm like, is that a wink moment? No. Is this a Morgan Wade comment? Am I thinking too far? Am I too far in?

You're too far in. I've gone too deep. It's a meaningless comment. That's all it is. Of course, me, I'm like, what? You get, oh, and Doreet wants peace. Whatever. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you should want a down payment to your house to get it foreclosed on. But anyway, one month later, why the fuck did we get this scene at the end? No idea. I guess because it was in the news. I don't know. And I don't care enough to like put up a whole scene about what we feel about Erica reacting to this.

I know how she feels. That's what she talked about in her house all season. Yeah. So we understand. We didn't need this. We didn't get any new information out of it. we didn't get any new feelings out of it we get it we know we don't we don't have to like talk about it like yeah we don't moving forward and i'm sorry and i'm sure during the trial and

after the conviction or whatever i'm sure it sent you down a path like a dark path a little bit that's tough i hear you we don't need to bring the cameras back for this shit we're done your part of it part of it is her being a little afraid that maybe because he was convicted it opens up the door for her to get something further down the line and there's more lawsuits and whatever like I get it. I know. I know. We know. We told us. We got it. We understand. But what a lackluster finale to a lackluster season. They need to either shake up the cast, put them on pause. I don't, I don't know. We usually have ideas to throw against the wall. And it's like, I'm just leaving it at I don't know. Dude. Yeah. The only saving grace is the reunion looks like

it's going to be good. You know? Yeah. And that that's fine. But like, I don't know. They need to, every producer and editor needs to watch this season again and go, oof, yeah, that wasn't good. We didn't talk about anything. We didn't do shit all season. And these people made six-figure paychecks. Great. Good job, team.

Thanks, everyone. But let's get to some questions. So if you got your questions, ready to go, go ahead and fire away. We've got that 10 second delay here, so we'll sit patiently. Just look into each other's eyes. Yeah. that's what we like yeah all right here we go from our boy billy big deals other than boz was there even an MVP this season it was bo's no or tilly tilly was just tilly was good

comedic relief but but i mean boz was the season MVP and she didn't even have to heart she didn't struggle that hard for that trophy no no you had to be the least bad cast member this season but she was good boz was great tilly was great they had they had solid year Oh, that's a broad question from Zoe Cudlae. What is your hottest bravo take? Man, I don't know. Too late at night for me to think about that. Southern hospitality will be the new Vanderpump rules.

Oh, do you see Leva's leaving Southern Charm officially? I did. I did. It's not surprising. It's not very, yeah. But other hospital is not going on anymore. Just focus on Soho. make it make it great because it's so far it's right the hottest bravo take they're going to

completely revamp beverly hills and get rid of everybody maybe i like that i like that keep it relevant from rachel michaelis which one of tilly's houses would you stay for vacation for a week would your answer change if it was a few months i would stay at the malibu house with the ghost no one's been in there for a while i don't ghost don't bother me i'm pretty sure i have the mirror uh i told you guys about the children's drawings there's no way this place is not And then I would stay at the house adjacent and we'd have our own houses. No, no, no, that's, she doesn't have the side by side in Malibu. She has a side by side in, uh, somewhere else.

Malibu, no, Malibu is the house she hadn't gone to in forever because it's hard. Oh, okay. All right. The side by side, one of them was the party. You're going to give you back up. And the other one is, it was something else. So yeah, that's where I would stay. jr real demote sutton promote tilly to full time bring in tracy too oh that's a statement oh

thoughts okay that was a question at the end demote sutton promote tilly to full time bring in tracy tutor and have a convo with renna thoughts don't promote sutton promote tilly absolutely um i can get promoted no rita uh renna no we're gonna get more of the same we're trying to get away from, and I understand that she brought a different dynamic to the show, and especially without her here, you're seeing where they're lacking in certain things, but she takes it to a level that I don't really care for. Yeah. So no

Rina, I don't think you can demote something because then we have no housewives left. But Tilly full time, yes, absolutely Tilly full time. I think she deserves it. I just don't think she would do it. I don't think she needs, I mean, she doesn't need to. She doesn't. She definitely doesn't need to, but I don't think she still do it. I don't think she will do it.

Let's do two more. I think there was one that we'd bypass, hold on. Here's one, and then you can find that one. Oh, I was going to do this one. Oh, yeah, we'll do that one first. It's the same one. Melissa Gomez asked, do you think that Erica and Doreet were so smug about Garcel leaving because she doesn't need that Beverly Hills paycheck?

Probably. There's probably some jealousy in there. Eric and Doree, yeah, this is what they do. I mean, they're just collecting a paycheck at this point. Bose was going along with anything that Erica was saying, and I watched what happens live as we talked about. out, yeah, I think that's pretty much what it is. I'm sure a gut reaction was, wait, you can just leave.

You don't have to do this. I think for Erica, it's like, I went through so much I deserve to be here. So I'm just going to show up for like a couple episodes here and there, or in my paycheck. That sounds right to me. Adam Sparks. Doreet financially could not leave Beverly Hills. No, there was something today, like her house is getting foreclosed on, like, officially. Adam Sparks, if they're hiring someone back to replace Garcel, who,

do you think it should be uh somebody new it's getting new blood yeah we need new blood uh you they proved it with bows get somebody that's like actually a high powered executive of something like bows although maybe you don't need bows just get somebody that has like a really good name even if like get somebody fucking rich have tilly bring one of your friends yeah like get somebody filthy rich that's what these shows should be about enough like i don't want to watch people live paycheck to paycheck. No, I don't either. We'll do one more from

Tabitha Thomas. Do you think we'll see a Kyle and Mover Redemption next year? No, not with those two. I don't think we're going to see a destruction either. I think they'll keep it off camera. They're two you know, PC when it comes to not going to look bad in the press and they

already probably feel stupid for the pictures that we're going back and forth. I think they're going to stay out of the limelight. I do believe 10 to 15 years from now they will get back together I said that a while ago I'm standing on now

I think they find their way back eventually but I think they both need to go so they're also doing the show in 10 to 15 years oh yeah we'll tell you that we told you so we'll be here we'll definitely be here

and we'll be like see I guess I'm an old man I told you so in our 40s I told you they would get back together why are we so old I'm old 15 years

makes it seem like we're 80? How old are we? I feel 80. I've lived like eight lives. I'm tired, man. That's all right. Yeah, I'm fine. It's fine. It's fine. But I actually agree with you, Ryan. I don't really care if Kathy's on the show or not. Yeah, Kathy's not like... Billy said the same thing. Do we need Kathy Hilton? We really don't. I really don't think we need her. But I also think she's Kathy Hilton.

And if she wants to be on the show, she's going to be on the fucking show. mm-hmm so but yeah you got anything else nope all good here well to our beautiful amazing members we love you all even you jr i appreciate you giving me shit the whole time it's all good fun it's all love baby and ryan continue to be you melissa thank you so much for coming out if your name is at the bottom i'm reading it claudia you're awesome adam you're the man tabitha you rock You're done. Zoe. You rock.

Let's go. Get me out of here. C.C. Hell yeah. You rock, too. If I missed you, we'll get you next time. But that's all I got.

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