Bros & Shows - RHOC SUCKS. Zero Lies Told. (RHOC Full Recap)

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

What's up Bros? We have officially reached hate watch status. This show is brutal. If you're enjoying it, we're happy for you, but from where we're sitting? It's garbage. The gang up on Katie this episode was gross. Emily and Gina need to go. And anyone that believes that lie detector ish was legit, needs to be examined. As many of the ladies are finding out now, the audience is team Katie. Even Tamra has switched sides. Probably because she's just reading the room currently and wants a leg up at the reunion. But we are not even halfway through this season yet so buckle up Bros... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's official, dude. I feel like it's two years ago, and I officially am hate watching the shit out of this show. I don't remember. I think I blacked out on that season, so I don't remember those feelings, but I don't like these feelings. Bad feelings. Bad feelings. All around. Shows.

Bros and shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Bros and shows. Rosen shows. I got to have me my pros and shows. Good afternoon, everybody. welcome back to another episode of bros and shows. I'm your co-host, Steele Russell, joined as always by the one and only.

Shootie McGutie. What's up, dude? Maybe the longest pause in the history of the show. They don't know that because I cut it out. Not a whole lot. God, I would see. Where do we even begin with this show? And we are just over a week away from our live show at the City Winery in Philadelphia.

It is Thursday, September 11th at 7.30. So make sure you head to the link in our Instagram bio. Get those tickets. Bring your friends, bring your family. It sounds like we've got a special guest coming out. We're going to reveal that probably tomorrow. Yeah. Probably tomorrow.

But yeah, go get your tics. Come hang out with the bros. We'll have a blast. Homefield Advantage. Baby, it's going to be a good time. Hell yeah. I am going to go scorched earth this episode. Just a heads up.

You haven't heard a good steel rant in a while? Well, buckle up. Good. Maybe I can take a nap during it. I'm pretty tired too. Long weekend. Yeah, big Zipy game. If you want to go for, you know, 20-minute rant,

I'll just curl up over here. It'd be great to watch it on YouTube. Honestly, I probably could. I think you probably could. I wonder at what point you would start repeating yourself. But I think you'd do it in the way of like you'd repeat yourself on a point that you already made, but it would turn into something else. Yeah, bring it back to relevancy. Yeah, yeah.

It would be something like that. Yeah, this show sucks. It's so bad. It's terrible. I got it. And the shell shock, I'm like, you know, that meme of the guy from, like, Vietnam. That's me. I'm shell-shocked, whenever I see...

That's very... Yeah, whenever I see what episode it is, it's going to happen. And it's going to continue to happen. Eight. Episode eight. We're not even halfway through. Yep. Well, let's start it off with this, because there are reports that we will not be seeing Katie again for a while in this show, based on what we saw in this episode.

What are we doing? I don't know, dude. I really, truly don't know. And, like, I don't like to get on here and just shit on shows. It's despite what you guys may think, it's not our favorite thing to do because we want to watch shows that we enjoy. Yes, this is our job, but we started this because we love Bravo. And here we are with O.C., once again, I have nothing good to say about it. I think the cast is lackluster.

I think that the fact that Gina and Emily are center focus this season is a huge mistake. And it's showing up on screen. I think that they don't know what to do with it. I really truly think that they got whatever they got this season. They looked at it and went, I don't know, and just started to string this bullshit together. They said there were reports in the beginning before this show even aired that it's the best season yet. Who said that? There were things going around the internet before, and we didn't believe it.

No, obviously. We never believe those things, but this isn't even, it might be the worst season yet. This is the worst episode that I can remember covering. genuinely and I'm not trying to speak in hyperbole like I the entire time I'm watching you get this stupid fucking plan that they put together that's like all sneaky and weird and Gina and Emily are the ones that are coordinating this whole thing which is never a good idea nope Tamara's storyline is fucking bizarre Shannon's an idiot like I can't tell what the hell she's doing her morals are so ass backwards it makes no goddamn sense I saw something I'm gonna see if I

can find it real quick. Regarding the lie detector test and the company or people that they decided to use. That was the fakesest bullshit I've ever seen in my life. Apparently, it was on a show before and it was like seasons ago. This guy's been on multiple shows. Yeah, I think it was, I don't even know if it was a Bravo show. It was probably to be funny. Gretchen said that she had never been on a lie detector test or she's never done one before.

She did one on like marriage boot camp or whatever the fuck that show was that her and her husband did like years ago she was on one and i think it was that company so everything's already out the window who cares anymore katie's not going to be on the show for weeks at this point i don't we did see before and you know obviously we were going to say that we'll we'll wait and see how it plays out we did see that she wasn't going to be in amsterdam for that trip so now it looks like that's the truth that's truthful as this lie detector test would say um what i just don't get it And there's so many different ways that they could go about it. And I think that's the most frustrating part.

For sure. We can really hammer home how stupid it is that we're just doing a whole season based on somebody talking to bloggers. I don't care about that anymore. Deal with what you have. If you know that this is what's going to happen, there are interesting roots that you can take. There's a spider like hanging right here. It's really cool. You might not be able to see it because there's no light.

No, no, no. It's literally like right above your laptop. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just hanging out. I kind of feel bad killing it Yeah, don't Eat the bugs that are back here

Should we like leave them there And see what happens throughout the episode Yeah, I kind of like them If you're watching on YouTube Welcome to Spider Watch 2025 Oh, oh boy Coming towards the laptop This is so much more interesting than I see

This is I'm having way more fun right now Watching this spider Just want to see where he goes I think he's gonna land on my laptop Unless I think he sees my hand Oh, there he is Oh, there he is hold on

I feel bad I take him outside sure he doesn't get lost in those bracelets and he's gone and he's in there well we had to say by to rider

let's get back to business yes ride to the spider but yeah that was more thrilling than anything I saw today in that fucking episode yeah for sure and I'm trying to find the tweet

that I saw tracing back who these lie detector people are. But really, I don't care that much. Yeah, whatever. I'm over this. It's just a lot of people complaining about it. But, yeah, like I said, there are so many different routes that you can go.

If this is what you're presented with, and we've seen Housewife shows do this before, if you're given a shit storyline that you know deep down, nobody's really going to care about, everybody's going to groan as soon as it comes up, you can take it a couple of different ways. I don't think that they've even removed

remotely come close to taking it an interesting way. No. Sitting down with said blogger, with Kiki Monique, sitting down and having a lie detector test, none of these things are good TV. And none of them... Just not. None of them are validating.

I'm not going to watch either of those scenes and be like, oh, we got to the bottom of it. One, two, and I'll save most of it from when we get to the lie detector thing. But that doesn't exonerate anybody. No, it doesn't. Especially considering who the guy was, like that came out, the questions are contradictory,

the answers are contradictory. Again, I'll save it for them. That's not fun for us to watch. Nobody wants to watch you guys sit down with a lie detector test. I don't want to watch you sit down with bloggers. I don't want to see that. It's fucking boring. Oddly enough, I would actually be fine with a lie detector test if it was completely inconsequential information. If it was just Heather, would you rather be in Beverly Hills? That's kind of fun. That shit's fun. That's okay. That's fun. The rest of it is stupid. This doesn't prove a point. And what I was saying about going a different route, you can open this up and blow the top off. If Shannon, who was even in the car with Shannon and Gretchen. I don't care. It doesn't matter. When Gretchen says, yeah, I did go to the hospital to Shannon. It was Katie. With Shannon and Katie. Then she says it again and says, no, I didn't go to the hospital. Shannon can speak up. Speak up right there. Then it blows the top off. Then everybody's at each other's next. And we don't have this, okay, we're just going to alienate Katie. Shannon could speak up. Jen could have spoken up. She's going to lean on the I don't remember thing. To your point, like taking it a different direction, they could have done a litany of things.

The fact that Gretchen came back, we all know why she came back, she came back with a target on Tamara. Great. Okay, fine. Someone's finally going to try to take Tamara to task. Seven episodes in, hard pivot. Yeah. And it's like, no, I don't want to do that because she got scared again is all I can think.

I was like, oh, shit, I forgot how going toe to toe with Tamara is. Yeah. So, like, I'm not going to do that anymore. Who's the lowest hanging fruit? Who's the easiest one to pick on? Katie's getting this shit beat out of her I don't jump on that team And like the big thing to take away

Because there is a lot of Katie support on mine Which I support as well She got to this spot By her own doing Yeah Okay so I don't want to take that away from the equation She has dug her own grave with a lot of this The big thing to really focus on

For me at least is the fact that This isn't that big of a fucking deal No, for whatever reason We cannot move past this We can move past Tamara doing horrible things to everybody. We can move past Tamara dragging Shannon for entire season. We can move past Emily digging up dirt on Katie's custody battle and her having to relinquish custody of her children. We can get past that.

We're not even going to acknowledge that, by the way. But when it comes to Katie talking to bloggers, that is insurmountable. We are going to hammer this shit home over and over again. How untrustworthy Katie is? Yeah. All of you idiots are untrustworthy. worthy. I don't believe any of you. It was just a shit episode, but we're just prolonging the inevitable at this point. Let's jump in. And we start out with the only scene I enjoyed. We got

Shannon and Gene the Machine, who is 96 years old. He looks great. Sounds great. And they're sitting down at dinner. It's his birthday, I believe. But, you know, we're going through Shannon's dating life. She's not dating a lot of guy friends. You know, Gene, Jean's still out there mixing it up. Sure. Still flirting. Still trying to do his thing. Now, I do have to point out, one thing before we talk about like legit stuff Marilyn Monroe comes out quote unquote and does the happy birthday Mr. President

they did the heart rate monitor now yeah I didn't like that so my question for you wasn't a fan of that my question for you what was that for option one he's old and his heart rate's going up so he's going to die two jeans really horny right now it's definitely the latter but there was

a very large piece of me that thought that it was the former I really did think this is in bad taste that's what I thought he's an old man are we leading to something they did the

not just the heart rate monitor like if they did it such as you know like Love Island or something and they just had it in the bottom like here's what his heart rate's going to be oh this is a big joke then it's like okay

this guy's just horny he's horny for Maryland Monroe can you blame him nah come on he's fine he's fine Gene, the machine's fine. Then they did the really loud heartbeat over it. I'm like, I don't like this at all.

I thought they were like stressed out. I thought they're alluding to, you know, he's old as heart can't take it. Yeah. That's kind of weird. Is he going to have an issue? That's what they made it seem like. I thought it was in poor taste as well. Anyway, the only thing to take away from this is some Tamara talk.

The fact that Shannon even says Tamara apologized is like, why on earth are you going down this path? She wants a relationship with Tamara. Why are we going down that path? She was horrible to you last. year. Like, you can't forgive the shit she did last year, nor should you. And you're just like, Tamara apologized, who gives a fuck? Um, all right, I'm, I'm gonna just, I don't care about this show anymore. Uh, I think Shannon's just lonely. Oh, yeah, for sure. She has no friends.

Well, then, and, never mind. I don't blame people for not wanting to be friends with Shannon. She seems like a nightmare to be around. Yeah. Did you listen to that when, uh, Katie sent us that, uh, voice note? I'm just kidding. Come on. Nah, I know. Hey now. God, that would be great. Actually, we probably wouldn't even listen to it. It'd be like, I don't care at all. Oh, Shadden's freaking out again? Whoa.

That's my big thing. I talked to Dev about it earlier today. I've talked to you. You brought it up on a podcast a million times. I find it hard to believe that anybody in Katie's position there wouldn't do that and send it to their significant other. Like, this is what the fuck I'm dealing with right now again. If it was a one-off, sure. Okay, things happen.

People get animated activated. sure whatever it's a daily occurrence every day that season and it's still probably almost every day so at this point Shannon only has she's got her daughters which she's got a great relationship with them she's a love I or the love hotel got the love hotel guys which is like a huge red flag by the way to say I've got nothing going on really I'm going to hang out with these guys who they're not great guys let's be very honest they're fine they're fine but like whatever it seems so we had that weird moment with Phil yeah Phil's a weird oh too when it comes She comes down to it. She needs friends. She wants friends. And it's easier to just kind of go back, take a beating from somebody that you know, because at least you know that they're going to be in your life. In some way. And yeah, it's evil you know, exactly. So that's really all this is. It's stupid. But it's all fucking episode too. Like, do I really need again? Do we need Shannon to do a lie detector test? And her question is, do you want to be friends with Tamara? No. No. She does. Who the fuck asked that question? Who the fuck cares? If you're going to do this and say,

set somebody up so that you can ask them crazy questions. Ask everybody crazy questions. Just go, like, balls to the wall, scorched earth, get answers from everybody. Instead, they, like, threw some softballs in there for the people that, like, really were irrelevant. It's annoying. It's so dumb. Let's get to Gretchen and Gina to listen to Gretchen lie and start to spin her stories that she doesn't look bad in this whole thing. The problem is, we have all the info.

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Yes, it was. Sure was. Did you say it? Yes, you fucking did. So now you're out here saying you didn't say it. And then Kiki Monique walks in. And not to mention, by the way, Gretchen's a really bad liar. Like the way she's saying, she's like, I can't believe.

I would never, but you did, though. And we know you did. And you've already told people on the cast this season that you did. You also said that you did go to the hospital. Yep. You told Tamara and Shannon that, I believe. So we're- And you're a bad liar.

You're a really bad liar. And for you to say, I need Gina here as a witness. For what? And this is the only thing that this does. And again, you can believe Katie, you can not. believe Katie. I really don't care at this point. Seeing Gretchen lie in real time and not be able to keep her story straight only tells me that she's lied even more. Yep. So why are we looking at Katie who, yeah, she sat down with Kiki

Mariek. Why are we looking at Katie and saying, well, you're lying about everything. You clearly told them that Gretchen thought that she was drugged. I don't know if Katie went that far. That's where we are right now. And if she did, then that's kind of deplorable because you don't want to just like immediately go to a blogger and say something about that that was said in quote unquote confidence, but when you're looking at all of the facts and you're presented with evidence of Gretchen lying about this, not keeping your story straight, lying to Shannon in the car, you're the liar. Yes.

So I have evidence that Katie sat down with the blogger. I don't really have evidence that she bold face lied. No. I have evidence that you've lied. Yes. So I'm going to assume that you're the liar. And your husband's a piece of shit too. Yeah.

So, ah, it's all dumb. It's so dumb. And I hate this defense. This needs to stop. Okay. If I had that information, I would have said it sooner because I hate Tam. No, you wouldn't have. Because we're seeing right now why you wouldn't have.

In real time, we're watching why you wouldn't have brought that up about Tamara because you're scared of Tamara. This makes more sense why you commented on her daughter's post and not her post because you're scared of her and we're getting evidence of that throughout this entire season. You don't want to go toe to toe with Tamara. You came back on this show for one fucking reason. You're too scared to do that. So you went for the easiest target that everyone else is picking.

Mm-hmm. It's pathetic. It's just pathetic. Brings up this, like, I guess Katie was trying to highlight Asian designers. And at some point she, and this is Gina. This is on Gina. Mm-hmm. Because then she walks in wearing like Balman or something, not an Asian designer.

Who gives a fuck? This is Katie's decision to promote it or not to promote it. And Gina made a snide remark and goes, oh, is that an Asian designer? Mike, and I'm going to talk about this part now because I think it's fucking nuts to me that Gina, who is a white person, is going to dictate how Katie should have received her saying that. Yeah. She wants to say, you're being overly sensitive. You know I'm not picking.

You're not a minority, dude. You have no idea how that hit. It probably didn't land great because hearing it doesn't sound great. Yep. So for you to then tell Katie how she's supposed to feel about your Asian comment is fucking nuts, especially on a cast of all white women and the only minority, the only person of color on the entire fucking cast,

you're going to tell her how she should feel about a potentially racist remark you make. Wow. And it doesn't really matter because the rest of the cast is at odds with Katie. Fucking nuts. They're not going to speak up for it.

It's crazy. Like, I don't know. And the other part, here's the other part. I wrote this down too. Who the fuck cares? Yeah. Who cares about this? In the grand scheme of things,

because it means absolutely nothing. Zero. Yep. So it shouldn't have been brought up. Why was Kiki bringing it up? And that just seemed very pick-me to me. You're sitting down with Gina. Gina.

You're not sitting down with Heather Debrough. You're not sitting down with Tamara. I could see it in that sense where you're like, okay, this is going to stir up some shit, and it's going to be interesting to watch if that's how you're going to go about it, which clearly that's how you're going about it. You want to watch yourself on show,

and you want to make sure that everybody can see and feel your presence and the things that you've brought to the show. That's what I got from that. You did it with Gina? Yes. You're not even giving us good information. You're not even giving us a good storyline or somebody who's actually going to do something with it. Nobody gives a shit if Gina's offended by something.

No, and I think the funniest part of this season is watching how much screen time Emily and Gina are getting and how poorly received it is. Yeah. It's just confirmation. Like, we don't want to see this. Of what? Can you guys handle it? There's not a lot going on this season. The producers and editors are like, we'll just, we'll just find.

finally find out how people feel about Gina and Emily. We should know now. Give them a little bit more screen time and see all it goes. Maybe they'll edit them out the rest of the season. I mean, if they pay attention to social media at all, they'll see that nobody likes them. Depends on the production team, honestly. Ugh. Well, it's also,

it's leading the shit like this too, and this drives me nuts because now Gretchen's like, well, no, I'm scared and like fake crying. Scared of what? What are we doing? Like, she's not putting... I don't know. It's just the whole thing's driving me fuck for me. Honestly, to, like, to compare the two, and I think we kind of did this last week, to a show that is really good, to Miami. Okay.

How quickly it lasted one episode of Lisa writing down things that Larsa was saying. And we got some similar reactions where it's like, we don't feel comfortable being in the room with you because we don't want to get sued. We don't want you to then take that to a lawyer. Instead, it turned into stop fucking doing that. And Lisa said, all right, fine. This is why I did it. This is why I did it. Okay, fine.

I'll stop doing it. moving on. We're done within an episode, episode and a half, maybe max. This, you could have all just sat with Katie and said, stop fucking doing that. It's ruining the integrity of the show, which it is at some level, which we don't want to deal with this stuff either. You could have all done that and it would have been received very well and we maybe would have had a chance to move on. That's all we needed to do. Instead, we don't do any of that because they just want to keep it going. Yes. And now we actually have a real life blogger on this show. Yes. Talking about stuff yeah great that's where we're at that's what we want to do that's where we're at isn't youtube it's

bravo but let's get to do bro poker night for another scene of an entirely different show she that's what cracks stuff about these scenes happen i do too but they are so out of place i know like it's legit like heather's on a different show that we get to check in with like every once in a while is what it feels like yeah go to just go to beverly hills please go to beverly Hills, leave this sinking ship and go do something else. I think she would be a welcome edition over there. That's also a terrible show, but maybe she could help them out a little bit. I don't know.

I'm so frazzled. I'm so fucking frazzled with this whole thing. But let's get to the Persian New Year. And this is not to celebrate the Persian New Year, because I guess Shane is Persian, so they're celebrating this, but it's just an excuse to come up with this quote-unquote plan. this stupid fucking plan and we're getting a lie detector and they're going to come in and vet everybody

everyone gets to ask three questions we broke eggs to create an egg barrier I don't know what that's about but anyway did I set the scene you set the scene I also think the scene is complete bullshit the idea that nobody knows what's going on except for Gina Emily and then they told Heather I don't know there's no chance

that these women are sitting down and writing these exact questions without knowing what's going to happen. I don't think Katie knew what was going to happen. No, she got ambushed. Maybe Gretchen didn't know, but I still feel like she probably knew. There's no doubt in my minds

that the majority of this cast knew exactly what they were writing questions. It was a fucking smear campaign is what this was. They're all like giggling about the shit. The preface of the whole thing is we're writing down questions that we really want,

some burning questions that we're going to have people answer for. If you're on that cast and you've seen how these things have gone. You're going to ask somebody like Heather, hey, did you set up the paparazzi? That's boring. What is she going to do? Stand up and tell you guys what happened again?

No, we're not going to do that again. You're going to ask Katie, hey, let's do all of this. She's just going to lie to you if that's who you think that she is. So what's the point in all of this? They all knew that there was a lie detector there except for Katie. I agree. I 100% agree. But discussions of Tamara showing up or not, everyone's talking about that.

and at least in this moment people have their wits about them. They're like, well, why would we reach out to her? Blah, blah, blah. Don't worry. That goes out the window immediately when she gets there because none of these people

have a backbone. Yeah. But at least for a split second, they were questioning Tamara. Yeah. Like I said, the minute she walks in. Dude, like Gina's sitting there. I guess I'll just get this over with.

Might as well go say hi to Tamara. She then creeps over there and plays with her like a toddler. Yeah. What happened? She's soft. She has no backbones. started and then what she had a smile on her face and she hid no she saw her face to face and

went oh i'm scared of you yeah i'm not going to do this now i'm just going to forgive you because boring because i do love you tamra i really do love you tamma if anybody out there is still wondering why we do this every single year tamra's able to get away with it because of the cast we try to add in people like gretchen it doesn't work out yep it just simply never works out here we are yet again gretchen arrives and every Everyone's there. We're all writing our questions down. Gina takes Greshon to the side and it's like,

and this fucking, I mean, immediately got under my skin. Don't worry. There's a plan. There's a fucking attack planned on Katie that they want us to think was just Emily and Gina. I fully believe, like you said,

everybody's in on this. It's fucking gross. This scene was just simply gross. But whatever. Like, that's the setup. And like, I hate Emily.

and Gina trouncing about talking about this quietly like there's some master fucking planners and Emily's like this is going to be a pivotal day in this group. It's so lame. It's so fucking losery. So lame. Like

what a bunch of losers. Yeah. Genuinely. Yeah. That's actually the big takeaway. These people are losers. The biggest. Like this is not fun TV. There's I haven't seen one iota of support. No. Saying that this was a good episode, saying that this was a good idea.

I don't think that it really would have been received if anybody concocted this plan. I don't think if Tamara did it, maybe if Tamara did it, people could laugh about it a little bit because it's like that's up Tamra's alley. Sure. But it would have devolved into absolute chaos if Tamara had done it. Gina and Emily doing it is the worst. This is the worst idea ever. And the fact that they're patting themselves on the back and like jerking themselves off already. Hey, this is going to be the best day ever.

This is a pivotal moment in all of our histories. No, it's not. This is stupid and you guys are losers. I just can't imagine as a grown adult coming up with this plan to backdoor somebody in front of everybody on TV to prove that they're a liar when all of you are fucking liars. They should have just had Kiki Monique show up at the party. Honestly. Like, what are we doing? I don't fucking know.

And that's a terrible idea too, but that's a better idea than this. I truly don't know what they thought or how they thought this was going to be received other than, wow, one, that's fucked up to attack one fucking person as an entire group with this setup. And that's what pissed me off, too. As Emily's going through the setup of this whole party, for the Persian New Year, I thought it'd be good to clear the air. Shut up. If you're going to do this whole thing, at least fucking stand on your morals. And like, I would have so much more respect if they're like, you know what, we are tired of the lies.

We got a lie detector. We're going to figure out what's true. I still think it's shitty but to still have this facade in front of the whole group while they're all sitting there like this isn't a fucking attack is grow up It's a slap in the face to Persians everywhere too

You're using a holiday How dare you As an excuse, you don't even know what year it is On the calendar So this is all fake and stupid And then we get to the questions I agree if we were gonna be wacky with this Like would you rather be on Beverly Hills?

Fun. That one's fun, that one's fine And, like, I get some of the softballs. But clearly you're just going after. And the idea that we're setting up this huge duel at the end between Gretchen and Katie, they're going to get the serious questions. They're not. No one cares either.

They're just simply not doing it. And I just, I don't know. We have to shoehorn in a question about Travis's balls. Yeah, really. Give it a fucking rest. It wasn't funny before. It's really not funny now. How embarrassing it must be to be.

to be so one-dimensional that your only punchline is about your boyfriend's balls. Yeah. Like, that's such a joke. That's how, that is how uninteresting you are. Mm-hmm. Is that your only move is to talk about your boy's balls. And by the way, she absolutely is trying to be friends with Heather Rue, bro, so that she can get a roll-a-dex of people for real estate. We said that last year when it popped up.

It's still stupid, and I really don't care about it. But that is clear. And all we can see here is just what is form. in front of us. You're seriously, like, watching it build. Watching it build up. You're like, I know exactly what this is going to be. All of those questions, they didn't show you the answers.

They didn't show you if they were squirming. They didn't show you this or that. If you just wrote this down, like, gave me a script, I could put a checker and X next to which is going to be truthful and which is going to lie. Every single time. And you know what they're going to do. They don't really want to drum up more shit. They're going to throw in a couple of shady things here.

Like, oh, yeah, Heather, you lied about the paparazzi. Heather can then explain her way out of it Nobody's gonna ask follow-up questions because nobody cares anymore Oh yeah Gina that was truthful You're not friends with Heather for her Rolodex She is she absolutely is And I understand why she is

And it's okay It's not a big fucking deal Nope but no we're not gonna say she's lying At that moment Because then it would create a shit storm there potentially That we don't really want to do right now Because we're really just taking down Katie Yeah so here's all of the answers

We're gonna say if they lied or if they told the truth And this is the script And we're just gonna stick to it That's all this was. It was so stupid. And then when we get to Katie and Gretchen's questions, Gretchen passes with flying colors, and Katie fails everything.

Here's what... At least throw in, like, one truth just to make it a little interesting. To make me believe you. Just believable and like a little interesting. Then it's like, okay, some food for thought, maybe. She didn't lie about this. But with this group, it would have been futile. Because even if she did, quote, unquote, tell the truth,

then it would be complete hypocrisy, because they would probably say, well, she's just a good liar. Is she? She failed the other two, but she passed that one. So, like, there is, it's a zero-sum game. The whole thing is just a, it's a crock of shit. It's wildly incorrect. And we get confirmation of that because we know for a fact that Gretchen lies

about saying that she didn't go to the hospital. Because we watched her say she did. Yep. So immediately, you can completely throw out all of the answers from this thing. Not that I believe them to begin with. No. But here's my biggest, my biggest gripe. Everyone else that get caught in a lie, right?

They're like, that was a lie. They don't believe it. They all sit there and deliberate or go to their confessional. They're like, I don't believe that. Like, that can't be true. There's no way. Across the board, every single one of them denied after they got caught lying. But when Katie gets caught lying, it's gospel.

They believe every fucking word, and they're going to point the finger at her. Like, she's some monster. That lies about everything. All of you disregarded the test results previously, but when it comes to getting the person that you want to kick out of the group, now you fucking believe it? It's the dumbest shit I've ever fucking seen. And at the same time,

I have to sit here and watch Emily get buddy, buddy with fucking Tamara, who lied about being on the spectrum, gets caught by the lie detector about lying about being on the spectrum. Your son is currently being evaluated because he's on the spectrum. You have no fucking qualms with her? You're not upset even a little bit, but fuck Katie because she talked to a blogger? Mm-hmm. And you guys deny it all anyway.

But it just so happens to work out for your stupid, boring, fucking storyline because none of you are interesting. You're all losers. So you attack Katie. It is not good TV. None of us care. We're all team Katie because of how much all of you on this show suck. This show could be canceled tomorrow, and nobody would even fucking remember this season.

that's how bad this show has gotten and watching this stupid fucking plan clumsily come together and it didn't even come together the right way because we're watching people lie and we've seen them tell the truth about what they're lying about and then you have this big aha moment that you guys all sat there and thought you're on the right side of history the audience is going to love this we don't because of how much you all suck at this you're bad housewives You're not good. This show's terrible. Fucking tie a bow on it, light it on fire, send it to the Bravo vaults,

and let's not talk about it anymore. Yeah, we don't need to talk about it anymore. And honestly, all you need to know and all you need to focus on is the end. Where Emily tells Katie to leave. Oh, tells her to leave. That should probably leave. I'm sorry, that's not a housewife show. No.

That's not how Housewife shows work. That's not how Bravo shows work. It's not how reality TV works. You don't quote unquote, catch the person red hand. in a lie because of a lie detector, and then tell them to leave. You have a open discourse about it. You ask her follow-up questions. You get a whole conversation going.

Shannon, you just heard two days ago from Gretchen that she did go to the hospital. You could speak up. That would be interesting television, is if somebody finally could just step up and say, you know what, Katie's actually not lying because Gretchen did lie about that. and she also got a pass in the lie detector, which contradicts everything. So if she was telling the truth about that and was able to pass that,

why are we now holding her accountable? We have one example of somebody lying, like nobody's speaking up. They're just, they've lost complete, the whole plot is gone. It just sucks. And Jen? Jen, what the fuck?

What a fall from grace? How on earth? Jen, to be fair, I do think that she truly believes the lie detector as gospel. I don't care. That's not my point. The fact of the matter with Jen is like you were there. You heard this conversation between Gretchen, Slade, and everyone else at the table. You have the opportunity. Even if you're like still a little freaked out about her potentially lying about other things, you can at least debunk this. But here's what happened. Jen finally got

her footing. She's finally got a place in this housewives group. She's finally becoming quote unquote somebody. So fuck Katie. We're just going to throw her to the wolves. I'm going to do my false from Grace now, which is inevitable, the sophomore slump, here we are, that sucked. That fucking sucked because I need, we talk about this all the time on every single show. Nobody likes watching a gang up, all right? After a certain point, it gets to be too much. It's not fun. It seems gross. That's what we watched here. Jen had a chance to be the hero, to be the gen that we thought her to be. Nope, fuck Katie. Do you know who Katie's ally is right now? Tamara. Yeah. Yeah. How the fuck is that going to play out?

Because Tamara read the room because she's a good housewife and knows what's up. She's reading social media. She's watching this not land. She's got time to clean it up before the reunion. And that's exactly what she did. And by the way, I don't hate it. I don't hate that at all. No, not at all.

I don't hate that at all, especially because Tamara is probably the only person on the group, or in the group rather, that can jump into a sinking ship and stand ground. Yeah. The only person on this entire cast that can do that, which, by the way, there's your problem. Yep. One capable housewife in the entire group. Heather, fine, go to Beverly Hills. She's checked out.

It doesn't matter. Everybody else is incapable. Correct. They all suck. They're not good television. They aren't very fucking interesting, honestly. Their lives are boring. They have nothing to bring to the table.

So they do something like this, which, by the way, stupid. And you're losers. Yeah. So, yeah. Pretty much. Hungry now. Now. What about now?

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things. Katie leaves and talks to the producer. I don't believe that she's, lying. I think that she got herself in this position by doing dumb things and talking to stupid people she shouldn't be talking to, but I don't think that she's lying about stuff. And the last thing we need to talk about is I skipped over it. You mentioned it earlier. The prayer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know that you're lying. Slade, you know she's lying. You are also lying. So you're going to do this fake Christian bullshit and hold hands and pray to God that it works out. You're praying that a lie works out, which is the most contradictory shit I've ever heard, but is so on par for religion that it just landed so perfectly.

I'm like, of course this is what you're praying about. Because that makes sense, because you can't actually be a good person. You're just a piece of shit seven days a week, but you go to church on Sunday morning and you are absolved of your sins. I have exercised the demons. Go fuck yourselves. I hate the show. I really hate the show.

Yeah, the show really sucks. Also, if you just want to do like an eye test quick, who do you trust? And I'm asking the audience, who are you going to trust here? Slade or Matt? We haven't known Matt very long, but seems like a pretty normal person. He even said something to Tamara and everyone's like, don't get him involved. He stands up for his wife. And he didn't yell.

In a normal way and he didn't yell. And he backed off and just laughed because he realizes how ridiculous it is. He literally goes seriously, Tamara. When he said last week, Slade called me and said, hold the line. make sure that we're not throwing Gretchen under the bus here. I believe him. I truly believe him. You might not have to believe Katie,

but if you look at a guy like Matt who we've seen sparingly because he's a normal person, I believe him. Seems like a normal person. Why is he going to lie about this? It doesn't make any sense. You know what I don't believe? What?

Because Gretchen's like, well, Slade called Matt to say, what the fuck is your wife doing? Sure. That's what happened. What husband would sit there and take that phone call and be like, I don't know. You would get that phone call back. Don't fucking talk about my wife like that.

You said it, Don't. mess. The fact that she's trying to say that Slade and Matt had a conversation. She actually said, from what I understand, which this checks out so much, Slade is operating as his own. He's always wanted to be a housewife. Oh, yeah. He's operating

on his own. He's not even telling Gretchen that he's calling Matt. Problems all over the place here. But then when you get the details of the conversation, your go-to is that Matt is calling Slade talking shit about his wife? What? Yeah. What is

that even mean but here's the worst part okay and it's like almost an insult to our intelligence and our being the audience at home all of these ladies think that we believe them yeah that we're on their team which is so we're getting rid of the evil of the group why one who's bringing us all down but we're not stupid yeah and we're watching all this shit and they are stupid to think that we believe this shit or that we like any of them the only one that we all like you just kicked off the show yeah because you're fucking assholes pretty much just cancel the show yeah so the show reboot everybody reboot keep tamra bring back vicky bring katy and jenn and if you brought katy jen tamra Shannon could be a friend of if you want to bring her back and then send

Heather to Beverly Hills and then recast the rest and see what you got. I can not do another season with Gina and Emily. Jesus, you know what the problem is? What? We have like a hundred questions. Uh, well, let's get to them because we're already at the point of, uh, people messaging us saying that they're done watching it. Oh, we got that last week. This week, I'd imagine it's a lot more, but this episode, since we had nothing to talk about, because this show is awful, we have, uh, this has only been 40 minutes of recording. So let's answer some questions. It's start It's out. Great.

I thought you were going to hit the camera. No. From Christine D. Philippus. Can the show continue? It's unwatchable. Who needs to go? Everyone. All of them.

Take your pick. Spin the bottle. Who it lands on? Kick him out. From Coley-Marie 1. If Katie doesn't film for the rest of the season, what will they even talk about? I am petrified. Oh, God.

And think about what that. Like, you can, and we do, hate this blogger thing. It's the only thing that. they've been doing. Oh, fuck. I didn't realize that. They don't have anything else going on. Wow.

Next week's going to suck so hard. Oh, dude. Yep. That sucks. What a bummer. From K, Sparkle K, Me Things Jen remembers more than she claims, question mark. Yeah, without a doubt.

Yeah, absolutely. She got in with the cool kids, and now she is throwing the weakest link under the bus. From Jay Bay, the Hut, 713. Can we skip to the reunion where they poorly attempt damage control? with Katie. Yeah, honestly, I would love to just skip to the reunion. I do not care what happens the rest of the season.

Don't worry, guys. We're not even halfway through yet. Oh, boy. Isn't that crazy? From Josie Thabair. Oh, damn it. Tebar. Josie Tiber.

That's what we were told. We all agree that Gretchen is in some way said that Tamara Roofied her question mark. Yes. Yep. And that lady lie detector was a bitch. She was not nice. No, she was not nice. And she also knew what was going on.

on she was in on it yeah she was in on the whole thing oh this was another thing that we missed from hot cakes 1987 emily blaming her son's regression on why she didn't reach out to tamara that was wild i can't after holding and we did briefly touch on the fact that they were all like yeah yeah we're not going to talk to tamara why would we reach out the tamara folded immediately at least gina folded in a very expectable way that was crazy Emily going over and saying, well, this is what happened. I got back and my son was regressing because I was gone for so long. You were gone for like three days.

Shane's a capable parent. It didn't seem like anything was going on. I'm not going to read into it that much. But that is your excuse for why you didn't reach out. You didn't reach out to Tamara because she cursed out the entire table was on a Xanax, got fucking hammered and left at 4 a.m. That's a good enough reason. That's a great reason.

That's all you have to say. You don't have to make an excuse and God forbid you throw your son under the bus. All that did, all that did was confirmed from me. that she is using this as a storyline. It's not, and that sucks. Because, again, he's going to have to deal with the ramifications of you opening up your mouth about what he's going through right now. But you need to be interesting this season.

And even with that storyline, even with a storyline where your kids going through something difficult, you suck. No one gives a fuck about you. It's unbelievable. It's crazy. And your son is collateral damage because you're fucking boring. Great. Nice parenting.

From Vamai, 73. Why would Emily, a lawyer, be relying on a lie detector test? It's a great question. Because Emily... She went to a school that doesn't actually have, like, a license to practice law. There's some weird asterisk about where she got her degree from. I forget what, they talked about it last year. Yeah.

Well, this is kind of nice, but we also hate you guys for making us do this. From Alex Luke DeCombe, not really a question, but I'm grateful that you guys are recapping, I can't stomach the anti-Kady hatred. Well, actually, to be fair, you didn't say that you're done watching. Oh, okay. So, hopefully you're on this... That alludes to being done watching. ...dumper fire train with us.

From Jazz Day, how the fuck are you guys still watching the show? We have to. Because you listen. Do you see? I've got so many questions in here. You guys are all not watching, but you're just listening. That's why we have to watch, guys. Because you listen

Funny thing About our first hate watch of OC Is our like most listened to episodes That's why we have to do this You put us through this misery From Popo Dilly This all seems planned Am I the only one who's doubting everyone besides Katie

No No I think that's And again the funny thing is Katie did a couple of things in here That she shouldn't have done And we're all just like I don't fucking care No.

We do care about what these women are doing. Yeah, Katie, I think we started the episode off with that. Katie got herself in this position. Yeah. You can't ignore that fact. But how it's being handled by the other members makes it impossible to not be team Katie. And on top of that, it's not even their actions. It's just like who they are.

They're just such fucking dorks that like, I don't care if Katie is completely in the wrong. At least Katie's interesting and fun to watch. But here's the root of it. Here's the root of it. You ready for the root? Let's hear the root. The root, Katie's younger, prettier, and happier. And they fucking hate that.

They can't stand that she's younger, prettier, and happier than them. So they got to take her down any way they can. She's got a great husband, great marriage, great career. She's pretty. I've seen that before. Yeah. And they're just fucking miserable people. That's what's happening here.

Yeah. Two more here. This one's interesting from Nerdy Bird 311. My tin hat theory is that Bravo got involved and told Gretchen to walk back the hospital reveal. That's a possibility. Ooh, actually, there's some, there's something there for a tin hat theory. That's got some legs. That's got some legs.

Mm-hmm. And the last one here from Shadow Potato. Do you think Rossi will be on pause, Rony style? This is worse than New York, in my opinion. I, yeah. Oh, my God. We're adding to the list of franchises that we think should be pausing. So you've got to be careful there somewhere.

Not here. Not here. Not here. It's full-heartedly needs to be on pause. I would rather watch new Roney than this show. And I genuinely fucking mean that. This is unwatchable, uninteresting, uninspired, lazy, clumsy production, lazy, clumsy acting, lazy, clumsy acting, lazy clumsy planning. It's a fucking disaster top to bottom.

And that's what happens when, like you said, when you have one capable housewife in the whole group, it's going to be a shit show. Yeah. And here we are. Yep. But yeah. Thanks, guys for... Yeah, thank you. For listening to us and not watching.

Yeah. So nice of you. Yeah. Great. There's a silver lining in here somewhere. If this many people are not watching but they're still listening, then the ratings on Bravo should be. plummet. Maybe they'll do something with that. Nope. This is what happened two years ago.

We were talking about how shitty the show was, although I will say two years ago there were more people that were enjoying the season and we weren't. This seems to be a collective this show blows. Yeah. So maybe they'll do something. I don't fucking know. Who knows, man.

And here's the problem. Because even after, usually when I rant, I feel better. Still so much time left in this season. There's no reason to feel better. No. I feel. I feel worse. Uh-huh.

I feel worse knowing that next week we have to watch a product in which they have nothing to discuss. Yeah. Silver lining. Maybe. When this show airs next week, the Eagles will be playing a real football game. That's true.

We'll recap it on Friday, assuming they beat the shit out of the cowboys. That's a good point. Anyway, so we'll just have some fun hating it. That's a good point. Good work. If we lose,

I'm going to, I, could you imagine that? Oh, no. I can't. No, losing to the Cowboys and then having to watch this disaster would be the worst day ever. Yeah. That'd be worse to go into rehab. God. Well, anyway, that's all I got.

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